 Welcome to the Crimson Engine. My name is Robiddy. I'm here with Alan Mash today We are going to check out the differences between the Canon C200 and the Canon C300 Mk2 So Alan you've had the C300 Mk2 for a couple of years now I got it right when it went to $12,000 range. Okay, so that's twice what I paid for the C200 B which is what I have right and then right after yours came out this dropped a 10 and I was pissed But you've had it for a couple years Yeah worked with it on couple hundred shoots probably yeah, I mainly use it for a gimbal I'd started doing gimbal work, and I just get hired for gimbal work I have a Ronin that carries it and I get hired for that mostly now The probably the biggest difference between these two is 4k 8-bit 420 MP4 MP4 10 bit 422 and 10 bit 444 12 bit 444 2k and then if you want to jump up to 12 bit Raw external no internal. I have to do extra. Yeah, you can do raw external on this one raw internal on this to see fast Right dual dual C fast slots. Yep Single C fast slot. You can't really tell because this is covered in all kinds of gear It has it has the TV logic screen. It has the shape cage a shape mat box. It has the handle the V-mount Bebop battery played at the back. It has One C fast slot and two SD slots. You have two C fast and one SD right if people out there thinking of buying Canon cinema camera or cinema camera generally And they kind of torn between the two of these. What do you where would you say? You know what where what are the strengths and what are the weaknesses? Well, this is if you want a broadcast ready camera This is it if you don't want a massive bit rate to deal with you know, like tons of file Yeah, this thing even to the lowest setting at 50 megabits per second It's 10 bit 422 which is broadcast ready So I usually shoot in that if unless it's needed for the next step up in HD is 160 megabits per second so how much of the 50 megabits per second do you get on the 512? Oh, man Alice almost three hours. Yeah, I did a committee the other day. We did his whole show I never cut it was three hours. He just said keep rolling Yeah, and we're filming in LA on his birthday and Unbelievable broadcast ready. So you can do the same thing with this with two SD cards But you're only getting 4k 420 420 8 bit or you can swap multiple C fast cards and shoot like I have multiple 512 gig cards and then Transcode the the raw down into ProRes 422 because you and I both have that you have the XC 15 XC 10 10 I have XC 10 and the the 422 that comes off that is it nearly as good as the 420 that comes out It's not because the sensor is much smaller. You know the processors aren't as good So really it's like, you know, they they say that you know bit rate doesn't lie Well, it sort of does yeah, I mean in that sensor you could burn that sensor You can overexpose that sensor very easily. I noticed about that you can really crank these but puppies over expose But that little XC 10 XC 15 you can really overexpose that sensor do you Sort of a supposedly designed defect of both of these cameras is that the vent port is right where the ear You would if you were shooting handheld right where your ears So when I have it on this when I have this handheld I wear earphones. They really so you don't hear it Well, so it doesn't doesn't blow straight in your ear, which is kind of annoying my cure for that is running a monopod Usually hook this to a monitor and I have it holding right in front of me and instead of a shoulder rig I don't like shoulder rigs very much I sometimes use them but I have a monopod set to where I put it on a belt right here and it kind of and I can look through that That I piece so like a like a pole holding good rig. Yeah, I got set up with a Just one everything I use a seven inch display just because I've you know Came from the DSLR world where the screen wasn't that much bigger than this You got like a 1.5 screen your mark 3 over there is about the same as that. That's right And it would drive me crazy because it's just too small I think to get critical focus too small to get a sense of what it's going to look like so people interested in shooting Weddings, that's one of the first thing. That's one of the most You know the biggest markets. I Would probably say C200 less expensive. Obviously you're gonna you're gonna pay it off much quicker. You don't need broadcast quality I'd say most weddings are delivered in 1080p. Yes, so 4k 4 to 0 is gonna be plenty for You know for a wedding and you can do that in MP4 Exactly a little higher bit. Yeah, you're not gonna have to go out and buy expensive C-fast 2.0 cars Which this needs to shoot raw and this needs to shoot anything I mean if you want to grade it in MP4, you can still do C log, right? Yeah, you can do C-log 3 right not C-log 1 just you can do C-log C-log 3 or YDR on this same as on this Yeah, and it's I think it's 50 megabits per second in HD and then 150 4k Yeah, and it's MP4 4 to 0, but you know that's enough for a wedding. It's beautiful If you burn in the standard picture profile on here, it's gonna be beautiful Yeah, if you if you got your exposure in your white balance, right? The other thing is it with this one if you wanted to do it if you're delivering in 1080p And you don't want to mess around with big 4k files which slow down a lot of people's computers might include it you can Get an external recorder and record 10-bit 2k 422 just get a little like the atomized ninja star you could only do the 2k 10 bit 422 over SDI so you need an SDI recorder But you can still trigger it use the internal monitor still trigger it over the record prompt So when you hit record on the camera, it starts recording on the recorder as well And you can use the the Canon monitor for monitoring if you bought that's right That's right. You if you buy the non B version the full-price version you can use that, right? So you have you tried this on the Ronin S? Oh, yes. Yeah, I was just talking about that I that's what I'm talking about when I'm holding like that with the Ronin S without this I'm looking for a little IP so the Ronin S with with a with an external extendable handles Yes, I don't yeah, I sometimes I use it with the the one that comes with it And I put it I put in a 14-inch monopod under that and I put it in a belt right here I literally use it like a monopod and you haven't had problem with the the EVF or the larger size of the C 300 not clearing on that Ronin S. I just I do a little bit if you're doing some really dramatic moves, but anything I use it like that I'm just using it for someone standing there talking maybe a little movement Easily advanced or something but not I haven't used it in like movies or anything. Have you tried under slinging with this? No, I've done my with this with mine. Yeah, it looks great, but you had to set it up like that Yeah, the problem is you can't put it down. That's right issue I mean, but you can't under sling from top and you can't yeah because because I have the B I'm able to go from from top to bottom. Yeah, and it doesn't have the EVF that gets in That guy that gets in the way. So what lenses do you have on that is my main lens and I bought this thing and I paid for it 100 times over. This is 17 to 55 2.8 EFS And it's L series glass can it told me this is L series glass in here But they couldn't put the red ring around it because it's an EFS lens made for crop sensors Yeah, but this is the main you shoot a movie you shot a movie with this right? I did I shot my Brooklyn tie with that right the issue we had with it though was a couple of scenes were in the rain and It was a rental from Adorama, I believe and it was a couple years old and as it got wet the focus gear stopped working So we had a remote follow focus on it and we kept blowing focus We didn't know why and then we realized that as they as we were moving focus eat the Friction had the water affected the friction. So you could move it and nothing would happen I wish can it would update this to like a modern a quieter motor. That's right You know the same you could use the same glass, but the motor is pretty loud. I hear it sometimes C100 mark 3 It's been rumored for a long time hasn't come out yet No one really knows why it was meant to come out at the end of this year Maybe at NAB so that the C300 mark 3 will come out at the end of Nate to I've heard about that and it specs Yeah, I haven't heard about the C100 upgrade of a full frame. I know I know it's like, you know You don't need to see 700 in right? Hey, man. Thanks for coming in bring your camera and talking cinema cameras. That's all mash everybody Links in the description as well as links to all this stuff if you want to check out What the current prices are on Amazon? I've got a patreon now For more in-depth sort of like film tutorials check that out in the links below and I will see you next time