 Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Advox and Archive SIG meeting. Today is April 8th. We have on the me and Jacqueline on the call. Maybe other contributors will join later because meetings. So we will start going through the agenda and we'll see what we have other topics to discuss. This is my screen. Yeah, I see the screen. Yeah, so what we have for today is basically Sidiqon. We have a follow-up on promotion on Spinnaker Summit, which we want to discuss based on contributor feedback and status of community events, organisers, sunboarding, and the agenda's walk-bundle updates. So probably I will move this topic to the bottom because if there are no other participants, it doesn't make sense to discuss it right now. Okay. So for Sidiqon, first great news so that all the agenda is live. So for Sidiqon itself also for GitOps and Spinnaker Summit. So if you go to the Sidiqon page, actually you can see all the Jenkins-related events and there are filters by tech. Okay, you can see that there is quite a lot of Jenkins-related events announced. So everyone is welcome to participate and we have a registration form. So if you want to join, just go to the Sidiqon website somewhere in Google. Okay, you can click the register now button and all the published events are free. So it's basically Sidiqon, GitOps Summit, Spinnaker Summit, and Jenkins contributor summit, which we will publish just in a few days. So you can register here and you can participate in the event free of charge. So regarding the rest, we have some items to discuss in the program. So one item is Jenkins-Birds of Feather. We have confirmed it, but it hasn't been published on the agenda yet. And we are looking for moderators. So I started the thread in Advocacy and Outreach Sieg. And if you're interested, you can just find information here. There are also links to what is both and both from the previous Sidiqon. So right now there is a response from Rik. I'm pretty sure that usual suspects, for example, Mark, Wade, etc., would be available to moderate the talk, the discussion. So it's not a question of whether we do that. We definitely want to do that. And we can figure out who would be the moderators as we go, maybe in a few days. Yeah. And have you submitted the application yet? Not yet, because of the application that requires the moderators. Okay. So Roksana contacted me and we agreed that I will submit the application in a few days. Okay, cool. Yeah, because I just want to make sure. I know there's the first come first serve thing. I don't want to miss out on this. Yeah. So just in case somebody asks, are there any opportunities left to talk or lightning talk or demo to the agenda? Or should we target the contributor summit for that? I think we need to target the contributor summit because right now the thing is we got an overwhelming amount of submissions to Sidiqon. So we actually have a wait list. If speakers drop out, so right now we just don't have the space to take any more talks. So that's why I'm like, let's focus on creating like a structure for the contributor summit and if folks want to get involved that way. Yeah. For contributor summit, we still have plenty of opportunities. We have just started assembling the agenda. Okay, cool. Yeah, we'll jump a bit. Yeah, contributor summit. So we have a landing page prepared. This time, the landing page will evolve. So this is just something to assemble together quickly. But yeah, there is registration back into the CDF landing page. And also, yeah, there is that in each Google doc where we basically have the work on progress agenda. So there we've already got some feedback from contributors. So what we plan is basically more of a standard contributor summit. So we'll have an opening session with project updates, with presentations by key project leaders, etc. Then we will have tracks for CX and subprojects. Sometimes we've been already confirmed like it works in outreach, cloud native Jenkins documentation platform. Most likely we'll have a separate track for Jenkins Kubernetes operator. We dedicated a separate newcomer track, which focuses on people who just start contributing or want to contribute to the project. Yeah. And we also plan to have some discussions about key changes in the project. So there is just some 10 to 15 items we have on the list. So Jenkins 3 would be in the scope when we deliver that and whether we deliver that. So then the Java 17 support Jenkins and Jenkins X collaboration, we will likely do the same for Jenkins and Tecton, maybe for Jenkins and Spinnaker if somebody is interested. So we definitely want to do interoperability topics. For example, let's see the content will be the presentation about how our tedious integrates with Jenkins. Yeah. Quick question. Oleg, when do you think you'll have the agenda finalized by? Mainly because I'd love to be able to also have Roxanne help with doing some of the promotion for this event. So one of the things that we've done for CDCon is we'll do a write-up on each of the tracks. So it'd be nice to have a write-up of the event and then what tracks you'll have. So I think we'll need to understand what are the sessions and who are the speakers and all that kind of stuff. What is the preference? You let me know because really we can publish it in June. Just whatever helps to just help you get more people. I just want to raise awareness about the contributor summit. So this is really marketing pieces to help people understand the value of the contributor summit. What is a contributor summit? So just let me know. Yeah, we're also interested to publish the agenda as soon as possible. I was tentatively targeting last week of April for draft agenda. So with some empty slots. But for key events, etc., my target was to provide details in two weeks. So if it's fine with you, it would be my target. Okay, yeah, that works because then we have partially half of May and we'll have a month, for example, between middle of May through when CDCon happens to do some promotion for the contributor summit. If we just notice that when we have an agenda, we have just better luck at getting people to register. And like you saw, we've already have good numbers anyways. People are interested in participating. So do you have a goal of how many people you want registered for the contributor summit? We don't have a particular goal for registration. We would like to have, let's say, from 50 to 100 participants, maybe a bit more. So usually at offline events, we had around 50. We would like just approximately have the same number. We reviewed our capacity, we can have breakout rooms, etc. So technically, we can host up to 250. Okay. Yeah, so I don't think that we will have issues with hitting risk limit. Okay. So basically we'll price it as is. But yeah, our goal is just maybe to 100 right now. Okay, cool. So, well, at least we're in a good start, like right now, like I mentioned, 54 people have registered for the contributor summit. And we haven't done anything to promote it. So this is looking good. Now what is your upgrade? Because usually at online events, it's around 20%. Yeah. So last year, the average attendee session per session was 76. I believe. So I'm hoping that, you know, that's right kind of in between how many participants you're you're hoping to have. But I just like I said, I just want to raise awareness that this is also happening because we kind of added this late in the game. But okay, cool. Yeah, let's try to do that. And I think that it's our joint interest to promote the payment. So, especially since we have tracks for newcomer contributors, we also want to have a few sessions with user feedback. So inviting some key users, maybe from CDF members, etc. So that they do presentation about basically what's the perception of Jenkins and what they would like to see changing. So again, let the focus on contribution, but user feedback is something we definitely appreciate. Okay. Yeah, let's try to do that. Sounds good. Okay. So yeah, regarding other topics, so Jenkins talks, moderators we discussed, so we will do that. A bit of summit, we also discussed that. So we can move forward unless you have any other topics about CDCon. No, that's it. Yeah, so we also discussed promotion on Jenkins.io, and we will do that. We already have Jumbotron. So if you go to Jenkins.io, we added the event to our calendar. So it's here plus appearing on some pages. We will also, we also have Jumbotron. So if you click here, you can see CDCon. Oh yeah, it's there. Cool. We will also do some posts, etc. And we want to announce the Jenkins agenda in the event. Yeah, so let me ask Roxanne, because I know she's going to be, I need to align with her on some of the blog promotion for CDCon. So if I'll ask her if she's planning on doing something specifically by projects, like, hey, check out all the talks around Jenkins, because sometimes she'll write blogs like that. So I'll ask her to, I just need to sync with her what her plan is. And if she doesn't have it, I'll bring it up to her that, hey, can we do a, can you go straight a blog on all the Jenkins talks, for example, and then we can cross promote. Happy to help with that. Yeah. Any other topics? Yeah, so we'll definitely do separate announcements for the contributor summit. Maybe there will be some updates. For example, when the agenda is live, it will do separate announcements. So let's see. But I don't need to anticipate problem is getting to a considerable number of contributors. It's just a matter of whether we can add more new participants in the end, usual suspects. Yeah, I mean, the other thing too, so like kind of going back to one of the topics that we had on the agenda about like the events that I added on all the jams. So a lot of those communities are dormant right now. So that's also why I wanted to go in and add all of these events and to hopefully start getting some engagement. Because one of the things I've noticed is also overlap between Spinnaker community and the Jenkins community. And so I just wanted people to just be aware that, hey, we want to extend the invitation and, you know, encourage interoperability. So I do, if we want to put a process in place for the groups, like I said, let me know. But like what one of the things I noticed was that a lot of the groups, like no one, there's been no activity. And it's been like that for a while. So I'm trying to also figure out how do we reengage these communities? Because like I said, there's a lot of groups that have like, there's been no engagement since like 2018. Right. And that's basically a problem we discussed a few times before what we do with these Jenkins array meetups, because we start recovering there. But then COVID happened. So basically everything was put on hold because it doesn't make much sense to post events just for particular region. We do that when the organizers, but for English speaking meetups, we usually do Jenkins online meetup. We've had something like 20 events last year on the Jenkins online meetups. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's, you know, the Jenkins online meetup is like one of the outliers, right? It's not like the right right now we have 69 groups. And I will say like of the, of the 30 groups, 30 plus groups that I posted, you know, city of con and spinnaker summit and also like get off summit, they hadn't had an event in a long time besides like I said, the Jenkins online meetup and the London Jenkins online meetup. And like maybe a few others, but all the other ones like either like the organizers, there wasn't an organizer anymore, it was just like the CD foundation is listed as an organizer. So yeah, I'm finally have a little bit of more, more bandwidth to start focusing on the meetup groups. That's why I thought, well, maybe if I add these events and extend the invitation to these meetup groups, like maybe I can start figuring out how to reinvigorate these communities, right? Because at the end of the day, like, we are all one community and that that's the goal. But I do understand, like, I don't want to step on any of the active organizers toes. So I'm happy to align with whatever process you propose, Oleg. Yeah, so firstly, I totally support the two promoter events. We should use this opportunity the way we can. So the concern we've got from Jenkins community members is speaking about Spinnaker Summit. So it's not concerned at all. GitHub Summit not concerned at all. Spinnaker Summit is a bit more tricky because Spinnaker and Jenkins, they're not really competing products because Spinnaker offers Jenkins as one of the engines under the hood. So yeah, the problem that in this particular case, there is no Jenkins related talks on this in the Spinnaker summit on what we've seen. And yeah, in our case, so the event was announced, there is no Jenkins content there. Yeah, I totally agree that there is overlap between communities. And even here, you can see that the registration. Yeah. And yeah, also, yeah, people were a bit confused. Some people got multiple notifications. I'm probably the edge case because I'm admitting the most of the European meetups at the moment. Yeah. Yeah, I've got quite a lot of notifications. But other people, they were basically confused. Yeah, what happens? Why do we have Spinnaker meetup, etc. So I think that it still makes sense to promote it. But there are other ways. So one of the ways is actually to use discussions instead of the event. And I used it a few times in other meetups. So when you want to announce something, I think you just use the discussion. The discussion board. Okay. Yeah. Perfect. All right. I'm opening. Yeah, I can do that for this Spinnaker one then. Yeah, right. And yeah, maybe another way is highlighting specific agenda. For example, set of Spinnaker summits. And for example, if there was one talk or talks related to Jenkins, for example, like of summits, the website sales and whatever it was called. So instead of announcing the summits, it would be possible to announce a particular talk or maybe two, three talks within the summit. Pointing directly to Jenkins. Yeah, I can do that. That makes sense. Okay. Sure. No problem. Yeah. So again, it's something for the future. So for this event, we have already announced it. I don't think that there is any real reason to remove it. Yeah. And yeah, but just in the future, when we announce events, so when there is Jenkins specific content, no problem at all. Okay. There is no Jenkins specific content here. We can find other ways. Okay. Sounds good. Also, yeah, it's possible to just send a message to all meetup participants. So all the work that means can do that. So on behalf of Jenkins data foundation, you can basically send the same newsletter to all meetup participants. Yeah, I know. But what I noticed is those emails end up in spam, at least when I've sent test emails. So that's why I went in and created the events. But yeah, no, that makes sense. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, we can just discuss how we approach it later. But yeah, I totally agree that we should have this promoting events, especially, and if there is any Jenkins content, whether especially for free conference, it doesn't really matter whether it's called spinning or whatever we can help this promoting. Thank you. Right. And yeah, I guess we can close this topic for now. I mean, yeah, I promised some contributors to follow up and later we can basically just document what we discussed. So there would be kind of rules of engagement. Okay, sounds good. Okay, I'll probably take this action item. Okay, so something like that we can document it somewhere. I think, yeah, I think that should be an iterative process. And if we have any other event to promote, we can discuss that. Sounds good. Okay. So should we move on then? Yeah, let's move on. Okay. Jenkins swag bundles. So I sent a message to the community just to understand what is the demand at the moment, the long budget on the outside. And currently, we have some requests from different events. So we're going to close the webinar. She quotes Africa. Then we have a pen testing completed by a few students as a part of their practice. And we want to say thank you for that. And also, there is a lot of QBD things in that even plus local meetups in China. So I guess that they will be considerable amount of swag to deliver. Again, yeah, the budget is something we can figure out on our side. The problem is logistics. So yeah, you have this pending story, but it really depends on how much it costs to deliver swag from Pinnacle. Because I saw her note where it was like $60 to deliver. And I'm assuming they're probably using like fat X because of tracking purposes. So yeah, that part I really don't have an answer right now for you Oleg on how do we get around that. I need to have a meeting with her anyways because we had to have some orders for the event. So I need to follow up with her. But yeah, let me ask her if we can have like a preference on the type on who ships it out, like whether it could be just by like regular mail, like, or if we have to use UPS or FedEx. So let me. Yeah, so what's the situation in the United States, for example, for Switzerland, using common post is much more convenient than FedEx or UPS because it's delivered in nightmare every time. Just using common post is striking, I believe it will be convenient for mostly everybody because they just get to your mailbox. Yeah, I mean, yeah, ideally, let me let me follow up with her. Like I said, I just I'm trying to figure this out on how do we do this the most affordable way. Because yeah, that is also just it's kind of crazy. So I did some checks on my side. I haven't contacted the vendors yet. But if I wanted to deliver a shock from Switzerland, it would be $9 without tracking up to 250 grams. And we're striking it. So I mean, the other option would be like, I can just send you all the swag, send you send one shipment to Switzerland, and then you figure out how to distribute it. Because that's one way to cost, you know, cut costs. Or we, you know, send direct shipments to all of like the folks like one shipment to Mark and Zaynab, and then they take care of the distribution. We could do such a per continent distribution because we have people in China, we have people in Europe. Exactly. I can send one shipment to like Rick, for example, of like what he needs, and then he can take care of distributing it. So that's one way to do it. And then we don't have to worry about like the individual costs. They figure out how to get it to to their point of contacts. Or let me ask her to see if we actually have an, like if we have an option to pick like regular mail versus the UPS. Yeah, it would be great. So we did the swag delivery on massive scale when we were doing GSOC 2019. Thanks to Martin D'Angelo, he said he sent 60 packages or something like that. But yeah, it requires a lot of time to handle. So the benefits of having access to CDF store, they're real. But it really depends on the shipping cost because it's same. Yeah, no, I know that the shipping cost has become such a, well, it's just become such a problem. And also, yeah, I don't know what to do. Ideally, pinnacle is kind of expensive. So Yeah, but pinnacle was quite expensive about that. So basically the money on delivery and not on production. So when we had a meeting with them one year ago, so they look quite explicit about that. Yeah. Okay. Hey, Mark. Sorry, 30 minutes late. My apologies. We're almost done. Great. Well, I was worried that I was going to arrive and be the only person in the meeting. So because you would already finish completely. We gave you all the ARs. I get the action items. That's great. No, when I organize the meeting, usually we stay late. Okay. Yeah. So we just finished with Schwag bundles. Again, I conducted information on our site. There is no emergency delivery needed. Though we have one case is code for course, I would like rather like to send the Schwag earlier. But yeah, being early another one or two weeks is something we can wait. So 10 packs. When you say when you wrote 10 packs, did you mean like the 10 saw or like socks and stickers, all that stuff? Okay. So we still need to form them. We still need to order production of stickers, etc. But these prices are quite affordable and quite a key. So yeah, I wouldn't say it's super cheap, but it's not something I would be concerned of ordering this pinnacle. But yeah, delivery is the real problem. Yeah, it's because like I said, we could donate the swag. It's just the delivery that's just become an issue because it's so expensive. Right. So let's figure out how we do that going forward. Again, for these particular cases, so code for course, she calls Africa. Again, we can just deliver a single destination. So we have to sign up in this case to Kunal in India. And what else do we have? This is what we can send from Switzerland or from France. Yeah. So yeah, let's discuss it later, but I'm not too concerned about that. Okay. Yeah, like I said, if we can do one single shipment and then one person on the ground is responsible for distributing them, that will save us some money instead of trying to have pinnacle ship it out individually to all of that. It ends up being so expensive. Okay. So yeah, I will try to follow up next week on that. But yeah, go to the input. So if we can organize mail delivery, I will provide all the details. Okay. Yeah. That sounds good. Okay. Yeah, thank you. No problem. Okay. So the next item, I'm not sure whether we want to discuss it. It's basically status of community organizers and boarding. Oh, so I am interested if nothing else has a status on how it's going. That was an innovative thing that I thought you and Gavin did to promote the recruiting of a new events officer. I think that's what you're talking about, right? Yeah, right. So if you could just give a summary, that would be a help for me just to know, how did it go? Should we consider using the same technique for other kind of activities? Yeah. So how it did go? We just posted a LinkedIn and Twitter announcement. We didn't write a blog post yet because it's still on my list as part of, well, basically self-announcement as event officer, which is being delayed a bit. But yeah. So we got multiple follow-ups. I put approximately eight. So what we really got is seven people reaching out through LinkedIn for interested. We got a few people reaching out through mailing list because they read the announcement somewhere. So in total, let's say we have more than 10 potential contributors. I'm not sure how many people we will be able to really convert contributors. And yeah, I plan to organize onboarding meeting next week. Though the follow-up was pretty good and it was definitely better than we expected. And hopefully we will be able to basically proceed with community events. Because for us, historically, it was an issue to onboard non-code contributors. So if you formalize the process for it, if you find ways to promote contributions, then make it a win-win. So for example, for events, start targeting basically event managers who want to work on their portfolio. And well, Jenkins project is a good opportunity for that. So why not? Okay. So the sweet spot there was you found a way to describe something that a non-code contributor would be interested in doing to benefit healthy self-interest, right? That it would help their portfolio. I organized such and such an event. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure what the best explicit set portfolio in the announcement. But yeah, so let's see. Oh, it was called for papers is open. Just noticed a message from Salina. Definitely something we will need to promote as well. So let's see. Yeah, we've got quite a lot of gates here. So the Jenkins project is looking for volunteers to help us organize and combine community events, meetups, contribute to some of its content pools, hack downs, et cetera. It's amazing community, opportunity to change the support for the source community. We also have some special help for source, et cetera. No experience needed, mentoring will be provided. So we haven't even mentioned portfolio, et cetera, in this edition. But yeah, maybe in the blog post, I will mention it somehow. But even here, you can see some comments that people are interested. That's a lot of impressions too. You've got 10,000 impressions for one post. That's really good and a good click rate. So it's basically more or less average click rate on Jenkins. So we are somewhere between 2% and 5% dependent on the content. But in this case, yeah, it worked pretty well. So even though the language which it references still needs to be updated, in my opinion. So I created it last year. It's a bit shy on the content, so we could expand it. And yeah, it's something on my backlog right now. But yeah, it works. That's cool. That's exciting. I wonder, I'll ask Roxanne if she's also a repo. Reposted any of this stuff, because that'll also help. She asked Roxanne to repost JSOC. The videos, right? She also created a playlist on YouTube and she was going to do some social media promotion for it. For these videos, apparently we didn't get so many traction. I'm not sure why, because usually you do videos with a lot of traction. But here you can see that on LinkedIn specific number of likes, number of impressions. It's okay, but it's not something stellar. If you go to YouTube, the numbers are also quite good. But again, they are also not stellar. So, well, definitely makes sense to repost it. But maybe why do we get an advertisement? I'm not sure what YouTube changed. But all these videos are supposed to be demonetized because we explicitly disabled the advertisement for all the channel. But now what I see is that some videos start showing the advertisement. Well, I hope you're making money off of it. No, we don't, because we are not a YouTube partner. We can actually become a YouTube partner. We are reachable. But yeah, I don't see any point. So on YouTube, it's 100 views. Okay, well, yeah, she'll do some of that. So I'm hoping that will also help. And Mark, one of the things that you missed is we also just added the Contributor Summit to the CD-Con registration. And you guys are at 57 registrants for the Contributor Summit. Excellent. Thank you already. So just so you have a gauge, the last Contributor Summit we did, after two weeks of active promoting and me talking to individuals and sending personal emails to people, still only got to about 80. So you've already done dramatically better than my feeble attempts. Thank you. And we haven't done any promotion for it as well. So one of the things we wanted, we're going to do is the events team is going to send kind of like a retroactive email to everybody who had already registered before we added the like Get Ups events, Spinnaker Summit, and also the Contributor Summit, letting them know that there's this option that they can go back and edit their registration to add these events for free as well. So that hopefully will also give you guys another boost. And then Roxanne will also start, as soon as we have like a graphic that you guys approve, we'll start active social media promotion as well. And it'll get added into the next newsletter and then any blogs. We can do a cross promotion of a blog as well. So yeah, we'll go into active promoting as soon as all that stuff is finalized. Thank you. Speaking of the social media images, maybe we could just review them now. Yeah, let's do it. Just a second. Sorry, I never do parallel activities. Okay, I'll watch my screen again. So what you have right now is that if you go to the subnation doc, just a second, if you go to Contributor Summit, actually we already have metadata added to this page, but this metadata is just a tentative draft. So we have some artwork prepared and this artwork is available here. Okay. So here what we have the moment holding. You should probably start additional presentations because it takes us to load this one now. Okay, so here what we have as ideas. So we have, well basically this jink is going to be submitted. What will be used in February. They proposed a few options for the CD2Con. So this one is basically the default one at the moment. Then we have these ones. I basically tried to follow the style of other announcements. So yeah, you can see my med skills, but yeah, all of it are just drafts. So if you want to press it with that, you can just post it right away. If you want to have something quite great, I would still need to apply it. I actually really like slide 15. I like all the little different logos. It just represents community to me when I see that. So I think that's what I love about it being a contributor summit and just bringing everybody together under one roof to discuss the roadmap and everything. So that's why I like this one. Just don't ask what Tulus Jenkins is doing in the Pacifico. Hey, wait a second. I think the one in the Indian Ocean is the best of the choices, right? The Hyderabad one, which is barely on the Indian subcontinent. Whatever. But yeah, I think we can use that. So again, we can later give it to a professional designer to put icons, etc., if you want. But it kind of works as is. So if you want to press it with the current option, I think we can just continue. Yeah, I like that one. So we can just ship it then. Okay, yeah. Okay, do you need any other graphics? For example, vectors, small images for the registration, whatever, whatever. Hey, honestly, I need to go back through the registration, but I don't think so. Yeah, so what I've seen this view all events. So they're related to small logos. Oh, those are logos. Yeah, so I guess it's something that would be needed. And on the website, you use vector. So I'm not sure what would be expectation from the Linux Foundation for that. But yeah, I'm happy to draw one by tomorrow. Yeah, if you have something that you can quickly put together and like send over to us in an SVG or something like that. You know, hand it over. Yeah, I was thinking about something like that. Yeah, I actually like that. I like the, I actually like that. Okay, sure. Yes, sure. So I don't think that we need to put a collocate at CD-con specifically. No. Yeah, you just try to do it a few beats. Yeah, or I wouldn't call it Jenkins Summit, but call it Contributor Summit. Yeah, make sure you have like the entire contributor summit, because I think that the Jenkins Summit might confuse people. So we need it in order to then just go. Again, I promised to convert it to a good SVG. Yeah. Yeah, just whenever you're ready, no rush. And then we can, I can give it over to the events team and they can add it. Okay, so yeah, I'll take it offline, but yeah, I'll try to send it over to D. By tomorrow morning, New York, Amazon. Yeah, that works. Okay, so do we have anything else to discuss for today? No, I think that was it. So I can confirm, having just done it this last minute, that the Modify button for registration works, I am now registered for the Jenkins, the Jenkins Contributor Summit. Yeah, I'll just come to that. Great. Cool. Thank you. So that we have everything in place. And yeah, thanks a lot for helping us on such short notice. Yeah, no worries. I'm glad that we were able to make this work. So, and I'm glad that the process is streamlined and we'll be able to, yeah, just, and the other thing too is let me know if there's any like specific communications that we need to send out to the contributor summit registrants, like if there's like the specific Zoom links or any of that kind of stuff, let me know and we can have the events team send all that through C-Vent. Yeah, I think we will need two messages. One for Agenda Goal Clive or the Modify Agenda. So we can assume that it would be beginning of May. And another one just a few days before the event or participation links. Yeah, like if there's a specific, you know, like kind of if you can put together like what to know before the contributor summit or what to expect at the contributor summit and then the instructions of what they need to do in order, like if they need to go register on Zoom to get that Zoom link, just all that kind of documentation. Whenever it's ready, give it to me and then it's easy. They just have to basically copy and paste that into C-Vent. Yeah, it would be much appreciated and again what to expect. It's likely to be a blog post and the content we can reuse in the email announcements. Before that Trace did a really good post about what to expect at the contributor summit in 2019. I can find it so we could basically follow the same trail. Yeah, just share whenever we have all that stuff ready, share that with me. And like they said, we can get that included in like the June newsletter for CDF. We can cross promote the blog. We can put the blog on our site as well. Send it out to all of the registrants. It is. So obviously we won't have contributor appreciation event. We need to have some of the analysis, hopefully, whatever it means. But yeah, we can do something like that. Yeah, that would be awesome. And yeah, we'll get you the numbers. Thank you. Cool, great. That's it for my side. Yeah, thanks all. Thank you. So just for those, yeah, I do not think that anybody is going to watch us. But in eight minutes, there will be a webinar by the Linux Foundation about EZCLA. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll be there. That's true. And yeah, we'll communicate some information back. Unfortunately, we didn't get access to EZCLA before the meetup. So you want to be able to share our story, but maybe next time. Cool. Sounds good. Thank you. Okay. Bye. Thanks all.