 I'm going to level off the beaten track and exactly have my gimbal working correctly. But what the heck, I'm listening to Raven Rock. It's about various American plants were surviving a nuclear war. There's some distressing material in here. So, apparently during the early Reagan administration, they set up all these plans to move millions of Americans out of cities into the country. And there was fear that urban minorities wouldn't necessarily assimilate well and that some white people in Virginia would not exactly welcome them to their community. I think it's really sad. And so I think the solution is that you send urban blocks to those communities and we'll welcome them like Beverly Hills and Martha's Vineyard and Nancy Pelosi's district in San Francisco. So if there are backward white people who don't welcome diversity, then send them to those more enlightened white people who welcome diversity. So that's not just the physical infrastructure. But partly there's concerns about social cohesion. I don't know why, but I thought there'd be a lot of racial tensions when rural white communities have started absorbing large numbers of non-white minorities. Why do they think there's going to be so much tension? It seems rather pessimistic to me. Maybe they'd welcome the diversity. So hey, I'm really off the beaten track here trying to find my way to Botany Bay. I'm like Captain Cook. Captain Cook on Botany Bay. And I'm trying to do my best on La Peruse. These white towers would see a million people from the city descend on their community and they're afraid there'd be tension. And as many rural Americans have guns, there are a lot of concerns that they would start shooting outsiders. Maybe they'd welcome them, right? Maybe it'd be a good thing. I don't know why they're spending so much energy and time and concern worrying about integration. Now why not just the glories of diversity go to work? So I was just on La, I think it was La Peruse Beach that I've seen yet. I know this is connected, but it was also the dirtiest to have the most trash. And I had a large number of people who died there. So maybe those who aren't 84 on Aussies perhaps don't have the same respect for the ocean that the think-you-die Aussies have. They're kind of raised there. So the guy who ran FEMA partly was the regular administration. Oh, he'd written his PhD thesis on how America should put black nationalists in concentration internment camps to try to get a handle on the whole social integration, social cohesion thing. Pretty edgy. So apparently all these government agencies such as FEMA during regular administration were concerned about evacuees upsetting their racial balance in their new communities when they flee the cities in event of a nuclear war. I have a much more optimistic perspective. So I think La Peruse Beach is the most diverse I've seen in Australia. One third Asian, one third white, one third Muslim. Everyone was nice and friendly. I'm walking around with my seat seat, my fringes out. I thought you'd have worries, mate. So here in Australia we're too happy to hate. Hey, I'm trying to find my way to Botany Bay. Gosh, where the hell am I going? This is not what I signed up for. And that's what a lot of my girlfriends would tell me. This is not what I signed up for. For me, not what I would do, not what I like, it's actually everything that I impose on some level. But my prior to that, it was so honest that it was kind of moving, like, blindly, without fear, like just moving into the future. Moving into a disaster. Okay, I really gotta work on my gimbal skills. Hey, Duncan, mate. Hang on. Obviously not like a, you know, carry snob and all this. Why is Overton Window a stupid idea? Because it's been overused. An idea can be excellent. An idea can be overused, perhaps. People can go too far with an idea. People can make an idea boring. But how on earth is the concept of the Overton Window? Meaning, you know, that which is acceptable. How on earth is that stupid? I don't quite follow how that's stupid. And I think it's actually a really deceptive metaphor, because this is like... Bags of high quality electronic equipment. I'm technically gonna make this work. Hello? Amen, brother. First, there's a lot of the cast and crew was, you know, I still consider, like, even the kind is obviously... So Ned is, you know, Richard thought that the problem was with other people, not with himself, right? It's not things that he was doing wrong. He doesn't bear responsibility for the type of people that he attracted or recruited or served with. It's other people, they were of poor quality. They let Richard down. Okay, that's just a stupid metaphor. It's not... I think it's actually a really deceptive metaphor, because, oh, this is like... I've heard this for years, you know. We just need to keep pushing people right, and then someday they'll... Look, right and left are both variously adaptive responses that have proven themselves over thousands of years. So left-wing approach is driving more equality. The right-wing approach is to accept hierarchy as the natural order of being. The right-wing approach is like stoner with punishment. The left-wing approach is more permissive. So these different responses, we've evolved over thousands and thousands of years, and in some situations the right-wing response to be afraid of strangers, to build walls, that's the most adaptive response. And in other situations, to be open to strangers and open to immigrants, that's a more adaptive response. So no, you don't want to always be pushing right, because sometimes all the knee-jump right-wing solutions are not the best. And then in other situations, a left-wing response will work better. What I mean by that, yeah, like what I want is different respect for what they're doing. This is like the opposite of what I want, but it's true itself, and it's powerful. And who am I to judge when it's with all of these morons, with morons to a residential residence or something? Well, yeah, a lot of morons kind of signed out with Richard Spencer 1.0, like they responded to Hale Gate and Hale Out People, Hale Victory, all that stuff. You appeal to a lot of morons then. Most people would whine. You know, and understandably, this is the stuff. I also do think this is going to be disastrous. I mean, I'm not going to discuss that stuff. Wait, the Christianity is done for the next 500 years? Because of this Kanye West stuff? The Kanye West, guys, did you realize it? Kanye West is going to end Christianity for the next 500 years. All right, just count me a tad skeptical here. I mean, that seems like a rather dramatic ever reaction, because that's just me. But, you know, however crazy Kanye West is and Nick Fuentes and Christian nationalism is, really, you think this is going to just end Christianity for 500 years? I mean, that's really exciting to say and it's kind of amazing to listen to. But is that fair dinkum? I just find it hard to believe that that's fair dinkum. All right, is this really the end of Christianity? Anyone with intelligence and sophistication in education is going to run so far away from this thing? Really, so they're going to run away from Christianity? I think anyone with intelligence sophistication is going to run away from Kanye West's presentation of Christianity. And maybe even Nick Fuentes' presentation, Milo Yiannopoulos' presentation. Really, is this the end of Christianity for 500 years? Okay, let's go around the golf course here. What we just listened to and saw, is this any of this anti-Christian or a Christian? No, this is the essence of that Dionysian religion. Really, so you think Kanye West is the essence of Christianity? Seriously? I suspect that if Kanye West wasn't spouting Christianity, he'd be espousing something else. I don't think Christianity is the main thing that's shaping Kanye West. If it wasn't this crazy thing, it'd be something else. And any people with intelligence and sophistication will reject that. They are far more to disrupt and demoralize Christianity than I could ever accomplish in my lifetime. I don't know, I just think 99% of people will just think Kanye and company are insane. I think that Nick Fuentes is a little off, and I have a hard time believing that this is going to profoundly change how regular Americans are going to view Christianity. And so it's all kinds, I think Marjorie Taylor-Green and those people aren't too. They're associating themselves with, they are the face of nationalism, the face of Christianity, whatever, and without me really Kanye West, Milo Yiannopoulos, and Nick Fuentes are the face of Christianity, I'll just find that hard to believe. For any kind of future politics or ideology. As long as the torch is being passed, then that's like a natural progression of the torch. The Tiki torch is being passed. Okay, this sounds nuts. This sounds crazy, and you know what's equally crazy? It's like why the heck am I walking on the highway? It sounds a little nuts to me. Really, I mean successful on what level? Like what would be success for this Kanye West, Milo Yiannopoulos, Nick Fuentes movement? I just have a hard time seeing success here. This sounds a lot like Richard Spencer 1.0, 2.0, 3.0. So maybe Richard recognises how similar the Kanye West, Nick Fuentes, Milo Yiannopoulos thing is to some of his prior ventures. And I respect that. I respect Fuentes for like leaving behind. Sometimes you just have to cut people off, leave them in the dots, call them. So is Richard saying that he respects the audacity of hope? Is that what's going on here? You've got the audacity of hope operating? I guess that's what I'm experiencing right now, the audacity of hope of walking down the shoulder of this freeway. Like people who surrounded Fuentes, all his friends, I presume they're not going to be his friends going forward because they offered some use value maybe four or five years ago or whatever. Does Nick have friends? Or does he just have followers? It doesn't seem to have that many friends, it seems to have perhaps more followers. And those people have no or without him. You know, sometimes you just have to leave people in the dust. It sounds like Richard's talking more about himself really. Richard's friends or Nick's friends have no power or talent outside of him. Countless skeptical, I don't think either Richard or Nick are transforming human dross into gold. Is Alex Jones or whatever? I mean make up that what you will or a little bit of a poison to tell, you can say. Maybe it's just largely about the self and the ego gratification and pushing oneself forward and getting attention and the movement or shape shift depending on where the attention comes from. There's obviously a direction that I want to take things but again, this is going to be much more immediately popular and powerful and I don't think any of it, I think all of that stuff is just getting better. It's towards outright revolutionary Christianity. I just don't see what's particularly Christian about this. Like if you're fair thinkin' in your religion then you're giving things up for your religion. Making sacrifices and you have people higher up in the religion that you look to for guidance and direction. You can't just make religion up on the fly. It's not authentic. If you want to be part of a 2,000, 3,000 year old tradition you have to be willing to follow direction to accept authority. And who are the Christian clergy who are speaking out for Kanye, Nick and Milo? I'm just unaware of any. They are outside in a traditional Christianity. They're outside of any nomeniform of Christianity. So they're making up their own thing. Doesn't make them wrong. But it's just hard to see what they're doing. That's exactly Christian because I don't see the Christian sacrifice. I don't see the knowledge of the Christian tradition, Christian teachings, the biblical texts, the texts of the church fathers, the texts of the reformers. I don't see any familiarity with any of this. I don't see exactly how they embodying the life of Christ or the teachings of the church, the born-again experience. Just to recognize any of this is Christian. I already described it as Christian acceleration. Yeah, basically. The acceleration is basically correct. We come from the same echo chamber. The echo chamber we all evolved from had a great deal with group up and creating. We have to be Christian to be participating on Christian accelerationism. Wouldn't there need to be something, particularly Christian, about what you're doing? We need to have the support of various Christian clergy and Christian churches, Christian organizations. To stop each other and mold each other. You had the Christian nationalists that kind of formed and you had these different ideas shaping each other and vickering with each other because we weren't allowed to talk with anyone else. So all of our ideas shaped off each other. And this one just happened to shoot out and gain popularity because Christianity is massive and it crosses racial barriers. So without Kanye West, this could have never happened. They have left race behind also, by the way. Race is probably still going to come. They're going to say white lies. This comes from basically everyone sitting on their hands for so long and telling everyone to be quiet. Conversations happen in back rooms and ideas get stronger and stronger. And then eventually that damn breaks. I think this is a positive thing because how I viewed the country for the past several years is completely deflated. Even Trump's presidency was completely... I tell you, why not what someone of you, the Kanye West, Nick Fuentes, Malay, enough of this phenomenon is positive and the years the Trump presidency is deflating because they're marginalized muses who yearning for some sort of apocalypse. You know, it's the only thing that makes sense. Boy, I am really off the beaten track here. I'm just going down mile after mile freeway. This is not what I intended. Nothing's getting done. I don't think anything will get done. And I think we need a massive paradigm shift culturally in terms of towards Christianity in New York. Christianity, because it aligns in my views with Jeffersonian views of how this country was founded. I mean, I understand your certain critiques over things. Well, Jefferson wasn't exactly a Christian. No, that's my point. Yeah, that's my point. So ultimately, I mean, that of this is that this is kind of... it's like the most American thing in the world and kind of anti-American at the same time. That's the weird thing about it because of this country, like the religious fanatics like John Wentz, it's also anti-American in the sense that like, you know, the founders were basically deist. Jefferson famously, you know, miracles out of the Bible and then he had a kind of rational price or something like that. And he thought the apocalypse was insane. John was a bad man. And obviously, like the mainstream of this, including like normal people, normies, like it is pretty secular and so on. So on some level, all of this is like radically anti-American. But then on another level, it's like the most American thing you could ever be. It's like more anti-elitism. Okay, now that makes sense. This is Kanye West, Nick Fuentes. There is something very American about it. And it seems far more American than Christian. This is on our side. Like, where can we find you? You can find... Okay, so this is Richard Spencer's space maybe three days ago. His space on Twitter. It's just like... Oh my goodness. I mean, it was just like... Oh, that was agonizing, but so enticing at the same time that entire conversation. It was like glorious to watch every moment of it because you felt the anxiety from Jones. You felt the anxiety from everyone, but then you also felt like they knew they were on this. Sounds a little bit like my highest rating show when I had Nick Fuentes and Big Delasca and Jim Goad and Bids and Bidly and Bids and Sidekick and Company, like the Saturday Night Jim Goad Massacre, right, is my highest rating show, but also left me feeling rather queasy afterwards, but a lot of people couldn't look away from. Like, event horizon, that there's no going back from this? There's no going back, yes. Yeah, absolutely, everything's changed, yeah. Like, I got a text from my mother about it. Oh, really? Well, it's like that, like, you're on a road trip and like, you have half a take of gasoline and so you just can't turn back. You know, like, you have to get all the... You have to drive all the way to Wichita because... Okay, this is a great analogy. All right, this is a great commentary here from Spencer. That's... these last two points are very apt. Because we're, like, you're in the desert and you have a half a take of gas. It's better to pray down there. Yeah, you just think that's the only way you can survive. And I think that's where they are. We have to realize that it was forced. Like, okay, if this wouldn't have happened if Jones didn't get that massive lawsuit, he wouldn't have let this ride. He wouldn't have stopped this. I don't think that's true. I mean, Alex Jones had Richard Spencer on and he's had David Duke on. Had a lot of wacky people on. You know, he would have been supporting DeSantis. Yes, exactly. So a lot of these things happen... Alex Jones doesn't support Kanye West, right? He does support DeSantis. Because of preemptive strikes, I don't know, I mean, people, they're playing their own chess games and they make moves for certain reasons. Well, also, think about this. Like, there's been an, actually, one of my friends has been showing me some discussion of a phenomenon that I've actually been aware of for a little while. And that is the Zionist Jews of a particular stripe, like Bibi Netanyahu. They've just kind of moved off liberal Jews in America. It's just kind of like, listen, guys, all right, you don't get us. That depends on circumstances, right? There'll be circumstances where Zionist Jews and liberal Jews will find a light in common. So, yeah, right now the direction is less and less in common. Well, that's the airport, right? I've ended up at the airport. Turn on cellular data. You think we're icky? And we're actually aligning ourselves with the Christian Zionists who think that we're the chosen people and whatever, they are motivated to support us. You are. So, we're, like, the Bibi Netanyahu achievement has been to, like, promote, you know, Falwell, all of these guys, Trump, Putin to a degree, although that's coming from f***ing to this, but then that thing, you know, we're aligning ourselves too. It's kind of a monster, like, this prank-sized monster where it's, like, a column that starts to attack the Jews. That's exactly what cognates. Well, it's not just you need to cognate everything's like this, all right? You and I may be good mates, but then circumstances change and we're at each other's throats. I hope that doesn't happen, but I'm sure that's happened to you in the past. You're getting along great with someone. And you're suddenly at odds. So, there are no permanent friends. As soon as you form any connection with anyone, you're also sowing the seeds for a future betrayal, because betrayal is the hyperbolic word we use for when other people don't live up to our expectations for them. Exactly, so you create this golem to protect your, this is the original. This is no more a golem than any other human relationship or human alliance. Okay, where the hell am I? I'm out at the airport. Okay. Middle stream lookout. So, Joseph Banks Park. Henryn Estuary. Ah, okay. So, I am in Botany Bay. This is where Captain Cook came. This is where Captain Cook discovered Australia. There, Dinkin. Never made a decision in Harvard. Yeah, it's like we're going to create this monster in order to protect our community, and then the monster is like, you know, I'm self aware and I'm going to attack you now. And that's what they created. So, on the one hand, this is like, you know, it's very American. It's kind of like weirdly kind of in the line of Christian Zionism, but then you have Kanye being like, I love Hitler, which he said from a Christian's down point in it, he meant something different than the way but he said, you know, he basically said, I love Hitler in anything Hitler is going to do. Basically. And so, like, you created this golem that is on the loose and it's actually not in your benefit to continue to do this. No, it's someone else who's going to grab that golem and use it against you. You're an amateur. Yeah, that's what we're seeing. We're basically seeing. We're seeing, like, basically how I see it is they wanted to steal Trump's top of his energy and give it to his hands. Yeah. Yeah, he comes in here and some I don't think they had any big, deep or intense strategy that these are people kind of acting off of instinct and when you love someone all right, it can very quickly turn into hatred. There's there's not even much of a black that's allegedly a myth. In the GOP's pocket, not at all. It's going to end up this turning conversation to the right. It may lead to some kind of it's just somewhere else. This is neither left or right. And I would say that you can really combat anyone here. I don't want to say a million dollars. I'll bet you 500 bucks. He might not even even announce at this point. He's the next marketer. That's what Mark Lebevich said in the Atlantic magazine. He said once people get to know Descent, they're going to realize how boring he is. Now, what an unappealing personality he is. Now, people just don't like him. This Candler's box they opened up a portal to another realm and you cannot go back. That's right. Yes, and this portal really was initially stepped into in 2016 with Trump when he stepped into this parallel timeline. And I'm not sure Trump is going to be triumphed in 2024 in the primary. Who knows if he even gets to these elections? Who knows if he even gets there and who knows if he's not in prison? But what I would say is that the candidate that all these GOP hacks think that everyone's going to just return to and it's going to be Hunky Dory, that depends long. No, the paradigm shifted long ago. They're still out of touch. Richard, I know you've shared some similar moments with Asconi. How would you say that Alex Jones, if he compares with your MPI moment since you both are feeling it high adrenaline? Yeah, Richard identifies as being the center of public attention. He identifies with taking things way beyond the Overton window so he identifies with what Kanye and Nick and Milo are going through. It was true to the moment and would I say that right now? Of course not. But we're not living it right now. We're living in a that was said in a kind of euphoric time. And so it just simply is what it is. But yeah, I think he went even further. I mean he makes a heel Trump seem like your name in comparison. Yeah, you're looking pretty moderate, Richard. You've got to catch up. What's going on big guy? It's really important to Richard to be cutting edge. That's boring. And that's kind of what drives him what makes him so interesting and exciting to listen to. There's no way for the new shiny thing. I'm not on that plane. And so I'm kind of like, I'm walking a different path but I get to get there. But it's going to be kind of slower and different. But I'm okay with that. I'm good, actually. They are on this train with no brakes just like hurdling forward to an unknown destination. Yeah, but I think that's the brilliant aspect of like our entire community in terms of whatever you call our element of the right wing. The sphere in which we are. I think there's a lot of intelligent people and they're constantly in discourse with each other. We may not agree entirely on everything, but it's moving forward and it exponentially move forward today in an unpredictable manner and it may be going This guy sounds like he's not tired of winning. Crazy direction, but I agree that everyone is going to adapt to this and provide their element to it and continue to be engaged with the discourse because that's the only way things get straightened out properly. Yeah, you have to be engaged and you have to like again, without endorsing Milo Alright, there's a time to be engaged and there's a time to be disengaged. Alright? People who are disengaging from the Kanye West nonsense I don't think their lives are going to be crippled by it. I don't think they are missing the shiny new thing. Without endorsing I still have a respect for them pushing forward and like if there's something that I can say for myself it is that I don't I re-calibrate, I rethink but I try to like keep pushing forward in a radical direction and that's the best of me All of these guys who are just like oh yeah, you know, the GOP will do immigration reform next time, we'll get him next time you know, the people are waking up to the importance of the illegals or whatever That stuff guys 2012 call and they won they're talking points back You don't have to start going anywhere You're on a treadmill naturally There's a great difference There's a train with no brakes furtilling towards an unknown destination That destination is Latin America I live in Latin America I know where it's going It's gay communities and it's serious Sometimes it's a good thing to get back So there's nothing inherently superior about 2022 Sometimes it's a good thing to get back Sometimes it's a good thing to get back It's a good thing to get back 10 years, 15 years 35 years, 100 years 1000 years Okay, so we're at the Plains of Takenoff It's pretty current It's like a Well, it's not even true The Catholic's down to the holiest cultural hold That's why the Marxist government doesn't have much of a reach They've got socialists on paper and the American press tries to demonize them Well, okay, let me I think I know the destination there, aren't I? It's social destruction Like mystic quest Like I'm in the Appalachian mountains like eating Yeah, that's what I'm doing That's what I'm doing Right, Rich had his fill of fame He's looking for the road less traveled right now The times change People change, situations change Eventually they want that hit of fame once again The way I described it has been self-deprecating Kind of like the last Jedi just waiting to see what happens Even though that's a horrible film There's another group of the movement like the Hard Riot or whatever They're just on a fucking trend though You've got to go somewhere Okay I've got to figure out how to get out of here