 And it's the breakfast in plus TV Africa time for us to go through the papers we call it of the press. Tunday Kuala Walay joins us this morning via phone. Tunday is good to have you join us meanwhile Tunday is a legal practitioner. Let's start off with the punch newspaper. The punch says New Nair Reketeering, EFCC to raid Lagos, Kaduna, Potakot, Currency, Hawkers. CBN bars multiple debit cards withdrawals, threatens steefer sanctions, and Mefili meets reps, orders, banks to accept all notes after debt line. I'm sure that answers the question, the conversation that we have. The central bank stops all notes payout, commotion persists at ATM points. I'm sure that's the reason why we don't have, you know, money really. NPC, ADACS, N24 year old production sharing contract. I know, I understand. Reps done, 22.7 trillion hour loan request, okay, one trillion hour borrowing, fuels, scarcity, threatens, election, national security, INEC, CDS, as quoted to say, the social statement by, you know, the umpire, the impact of petrol scarcity on the elections. One killed as tanker crushes three Lagos tricycles. And you find protest as Equator Madu, wife appear in UK court. And Lagos governorship candidate orders boycott, obese Yola Raleigh. How 100 bandits ambushed and killed seven ends as CDC personnel. This is according to the director. And that's the much we can take this morning on the punch. Very quickly on the nation. We have the following headlines. In Mirfield, banks to blame for scarcity of new narrow notes, CBN chief to Nigerians, you won't lose your old notes, deadline extension, likely he says, banks to blame for scarcity of new notes, tenable promises, prosperity in crossover and to Anamra erosion, NNPCL investing 2.6 trillion on 70 roads, absence of sick child stalls, a current Madu's trial, NNPCL, CDS, threatened action over fuel scarcity as some headlines on the front page of the nation. Well, we quickly turn our attention to the leadership newspaper this morning. Odinga technology can be used to rig elections. And that's contrary to what, you know, a lot of us have believed. You know, we think that with the deployment of technology, especially with smart card readers, the beavers now, we're going to have a smooth time. But that's, you know, contrary to the popular opinion. Credibility of election depends on Inaq courts. The vice president is quoted to say 2023 will be the best in the nation's history. Lawan is also saying, delivering credible polls, challenge of the moment, that Isaiah is quoted to say, will tackle drug menace frontally, malware declares, these are some of the writers you find this morning, underneath the board caption, Inaq worries over worsening fuel crisis ahead of polls. Don't disenfranchise over 3 million students, or be tells Inaq. Don't disenfranchise over 3 million students, or be tells Inaq. And it's a lot of conversation surrounding whether or not the school should be in session, especially after, you know, a strike that's lasted eight months. Now I redesign, no Nigerian will lose money. MFLE is quoted to say, and reps approve PMB's one trillion hour loan, deferred 22.7 trillion hour request, talking about President Mohamed Abouhari. That's what you find right there. Petro-Escarcity military please one marketers. That's the much we can take on the leadership. Let's move on from the leadership to daily trust very quickly. January vow, we can let G5 fail today presidential candidate. Tom Mckenday Pazugwai in a fix. Abia governor lobbies to replace late anointed candidate. Abia governor lobbies to replace late anointed candidate. We are sure of reconciliation. I take your campaign. They have run out of steam, carry some pictures of projects commissioned by President Puhari in Kano. We can see on the front page of daily trust. We take a quick look at the Guardian newspaper. The Guardian says cash quizzes or cash quiz intensifies stalls business transaction. And that's the Guardian newspaper this morning. PDP condemns Tunibu's alleged threats to governor Udomi Manuel. Ikoromadu, wife and court as trial continues today. And again, you find you have missed deadline. Name your presidential candidate. Petricide, tons, we can, you know, that's the much we can take this morning on the Guardian newspaper. Right. On that note, we'll bring in today. I think it's not a bad way to start to look at them. The headline on the front page of the daily trust is also on the front page of Guardian talking about the deadline for the G5 governors. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, it's February one and we don't know who they're supporting it. It's becoming a bit stale. What do you think? They're shouting and dancing and crying. It's getting out of fashion. Would you agree with that? On the first weekend, I think the reality I've done on the weekend and the rest of the G5 governors, that it is going to be too hard for them to adopt any of the presidential candidates outside the candidates of the political parties that they belong to. Because if they do this, chances are the possibility is very high that it will affect most of them in their respective states with regard to the other candidates that they, I mean, that are contested on the platform of the PDP. Say, for example, say, I'm a candidate in New York State, say, I'm a candidate belonging to the PDP. Imagine if you're not a jobter, the previous presidential candidate or the liberal presidential candidate. What would you be telling the people of New York State? With regard to the presidential candidates, with regard to the presidential candidates of the PDP, with regard to the House of Brave and then to the federal assembly. So in a way that they require, they're in the dilemma. They're in the fix. Any mistake of adopting any presidential candidates outside that of the PDP is likely to lead to a very breakdown of what kind of serious disaster for all those different governments in their respective states. And you could see that there's beginning to be a turn around. I think what has gone to Wikia State to campaign and Wikia has made facilities and logistic ability to help to be able to do its campaign, even though you're not fully adopted at TIKU. The indication for me is that we can begin to realize that we cannot do without at TIKU, due to for the rest of the different gaps. So what I suspect might be doing is to support at TIKU, cover clean, without actually coming out of TIKU to say so. And you are nice to know that our politicians and our politicians, they behave like a cultist. Most of the things that they do is done on the gun and at night. They are never transparent in the actions and activities. So they have all turned on the G5 governors, have turned themselves to be clowns and puppets who really haven't demonstrated that they are thought critically and very wisely with regard to the position that they have been passed upon. These are these positions, these are these steps, these are these the outside and kind of with regard to at TIKU and the president that they think they plug there. We'd like to share your thoughts on the headline on the punch newspaper, Reps Dom's $22.7 trillion loan and OK's $1 trillion borrowing, that's for ways and means. What are your thoughts especially when you know we're looking at $77 trillion as you know debts? It is a tragedy of monumental proportion in which borrowing of money has not become a statecraft. I haven't seen any creativity, I have not seen any ingenuity on the part of this government to be able to raise or increase the internalized generated revenue and also to plug all the new polls that is attended into the finances of our nation. Nigeria has become like a basket that this government takes to the river to fetch water. And you know when you take a basket to the river to fetch water, you get nothing at the end of the day. I think at the end of the day, when the record is going to be made, when the Nigerian people or when the next government is going to be asking for accountability, the National Assembly and the Reserve Assembly would have the case to answer as it gets as the country went bankrupt on that day. This is the first time in the history of our nation that every request to borrow money that is taken to the National Assembly and taken to the respective State Assembly are never critically scrutinized, are never critically challenged. The executive arm of government is never made to demonstrate why they want to borrow that money and how they intend to repay back. And that is why the nation is sitting now on a mountain of debt in all the areas of ramification. So that any government that comes into power come 2023 is most likely to be managing debt in the next eight years after the government might be in power. And the value of the Naira, so long as we continue to have to make this debt all over the time and all over the place and over this non-dualation of time, the value of the Naira will continue to do so. And there is some more among nations without borrowing money. And then, like I said before, the Naira's climate will become like it is in that we don't have. That's why you want to buy the maggi or like they can now sell this. That's why you want to buy tomato. You will have to take millions of the market to pay for tomato, to pay for the Naira's grocery. I think by now the National Assembly should have applied a break, especially when this government is handing over, come May 2023, should have applied a break in monetary following. And also don't forget when you leave, the President of the National Party today is being said now that the NNPC Limited is not the one financing the road and construction project that we have all over the country. The implication of that is also very, very great. In the sense that every money that the NNPC makes from petroleum sales in that locale or internationally is supposed to be put in the national the core part of the nation and share the amount of the three times of government. So if the NNPC now begins to share whatever money it realizes from sales of crude oil and from the petroleum producers and the earlier model, you are in the way of denying the state and the local government their own share of the resources of the nation that you rightly belong to them in terms of special allocation and in terms of what's you going to the corpus of the nation. So I would like to ask, I would like to ask to the color. Well, I'd like to ask, we understand that the approval of the request is based on the fact that I mean, there's need for one trillion era for additional ways and means for the implementation of the 2022 supplementary appropriation act as passed by the National Assembly. And my question will be, don't we have other means of generating revenue? I mean, like if you have to solve a problem now, rather than, you know, go borrowing, then you can decide to, you know, look, do you have a way, do you have a pocket and get some money? There are, there are. Do you know that when they talk about where that means, what it simply means is that the central bank of Nigeria will print that a trillion era, not to make it available for the government to spend. They just couch it in a very palatable way, where that means. It simply means that the CDN and then the maintenance corporation will print that money and make it available to the government. And I've said it as it has been done, and you can challenge, you can do your core checking. When this country budgets a hundred million, hypothetically, as budgets in Nigeria, you will not believe it's all by now recording the little research that I've told. It is only about 30% of that money that is budgeted, and it's actually spent on what the money is meant for. 30% of the rest money goes into individual pocket, into private pocket, into politicians pocket, and into useless as a 20 job. A white elephant project, signature project, like a flyover, and a stadium, and a renovation of offices, and buying of cars for wives and children of a local government governor. So we can make two, which is less than 50% of what the budget for annually. The rest just goes down the drain. I have said this also, that the cost of contact in this part of the world is the highest. And sometimes you will not blame the contractor. When they want to contract, the contractor who has gone to bank to borrow money will not be paid on time. And then the interest that they are signed for with impact will keep accumulating. And you and I do know that interest in this part of the world is compact, but not less than 35%. Whereas in the rest of the world, interest rates are never more than 2% to 2.5%. So when the contractor is not paid on time, and it's done a little bit of job, if we apply to government to give a review of the contract, and then the contractor will review the 100% or 20 times, and then the government will have to pay more. And the country begin to sink into debt. So we must get our hands dry. Just like Donny, the analogy that can be run. And that can be never embarked on any project, that he has not had a chance to research the money, the ways, the money, with which he or he will have designed the ways and means. He will get the money to finance the project, if he is embarked on it. But since we, since the beginning of the ACT and the advent of the Royal Association, before they embark on project, before they think about we have to raise money to finance the project, if he's only in Nigeria that is good economics. I don't know of any country that does that kind of a thing. And like I said, the cost of country in this country is the highest in the world. And what is all these things that we use the counter for? When you are constructing a road, you probably need iron roads. You need granite. You need sand. You need cement. The only thing that is important out of all these things is the machinery and equipment that is deployed to the road. And then the iron roads. And some of these iron roads are even made in the country. So why would the cost of constructing roads in Nigeria be that high? I mean, without high, every construction we need is there to take. We're running out of time. Tunde, I'd like you to speak to this. Very important. We're counting down to the elections 24 more days before the presidential elections. And afterwards, we're looking at the elections in March, the 11 to be precise. But ahead of these elections, the prime minister of Kenya, Raleigh Odinga, has one Nigerians to be vigilant in the use of technology in the electoral process as it could be used to manipulate the process and steal the people's mandate. What are your thoughts, especially when, over time, there's been argument and there's been, you know, expression as to the use of technology. A lot of people are advocating, I mean, e-voting as a solution to cobbling more practice and what-of-you. Now with the introduction of the beavers, that has also triggered the, you know, the trust and the rate of which Nigerians are hoping to have a transparent elections. I'd like you to speak to this. What are the things that Odinga is speaking from experience? You will not, I mean, you will remember that the man just confessed the Kenyan presidential election, which is lost. I think he has confessed it now about three times and has lost all the elections. When his father was also alive, his father also contested the Kenyan elections more than five or more than three times all the other parts and also didn't win that election. But the Kenyan experience is a peculiar, peculiar in the sense that the try, which Odinga belongs to, is a minority try in the Kenya compared to what the Kenyatta and the rest of them belongs to. So that has made it difficult for people like Odinga, Odinga and the people of Israel to be able to win the election. It's probably the kind of thing that we do in Nigeria in terms of rotation, in terms of this gentlemanly agreement that Presidency and keepers who come from different parts of the country, the family will be better off. Now we regard to the technology and order. Odinga is merely tracing the truth. No technology is a fool. You and I will know that the hackers have a role of breaking into your computer system. They break into the college of repatriation system. They can generate triggers using different devices. I have received on so many occasions, received a lot on my telephone without anybody paying money to my account. I have also received messages and really reached out that are sent to me in which somebody's phone number, who is not there, will never get this contact. Another person will use that phone number to send messages and pictures into my own phone number without the person's contact or without the person knowing about it. So if this is happening all over the world and taking questions of what happened or should be simply the election in which there was the technology that was different and order, you will see massive responsibility in some parts of the system. It tells you that, look, human beings are the most crucial when it comes to having a free and clear election. If those who man the co-post, if the electoral officers and those who participate in the election are not instead having a free and clear election, no matter what technology you deploy and order, they will still find ways and means to forecast or to sidetrack or to manipulate this technology to get whatever it says that they want. The challenge with the electoral election is lack of integrity. Is this true or that I am fair? Because the electoral regime don't own the election at all. And then the lack of integrity on the part of the security men. It is difficult to lead the election if the security men don't cooperate with the politicians. If they don't cooperate with the INE coefficient for too many times or another, like the former Japanese president of the Bless Memoria said that when they want to contest the election in Nigeria, they make money available to the security men, they make money available to the government officials, and then they also compromise those who are called so-called election observers. And also they also take hold of the tools and the woodlump in all the different places, called boys, the woodlump in the country, the business and the motor power and what have been. And if like I am running the election process to give them to manipulate and think. So in other words, there's still a tendency that I mean, so in other words, you're saying that there's still a tendency that these elections can, you know, be rigged even with the deployment of the believers? Oh, sure, oh, sure. The elections can please the Greeks. We're not gratifying the participle screenings, the actors in this election, I like security officials, the politicians themselves, if they are not affected in the free and clear elections, you and I will never get a free and clear election in this country. And I say this, and I talk to this guy, since we already came to Romania, since we already came to Coney, we have never had a free and clear election in this country. Go and take the record. That's a very, you know, strong one that you have put out there. But as we cost it down, that is the reason they do some of the things they do to people. So how then is the credibility of the elections dependent on the courts and INEC? We probably might understand INEC in this case, but, you know, speaking to the credibility of the elections, depending on the courts and INEC, I'd like you to, you know, react to those thoughts. It's from the vice president. In the case of tragedy, that it is our court that will now decide who wins and loses an election. Nigeria is already the only country in which to have black and high number of politicians, high kind number of political parties going to determine who win and lose an election in the court and what happens. The court, like I continue to say, should be of last resort. And I have said this, this resort to the court system to determine who wins an election has been compromising the integrity of our court process and corrupting the court and polluting it. The court is the sanctuary of Turkey, the temple of Turkey. And when you begin to descrete the temple of Turkey, like in the great Portugal that has been descruting it, then you have to lend this in our hands. You will recognize that so many judges have been tasked for being, for conceiving gratifications or for being compromised why sit on the election for the president of the tribunal. Glorious have also been here for giving rise to all of these banks or such a number of years for compromising the integrity of the elections and all of that. And of course, even a professor in the university has been in Dhaka and I think Tento Prizzy, a professor who was sent to go and get an election money to him. And we thought that he would begin to send a professor to some of these electoral places and all of that. We are not here to have a clear election, but you and you. Thomas, one of them has even been seen one time to run the election results and was hiding somewhere to realize the electoral results and not when it was called. So, let's consider that every system costs across all the gamut of our life. If it's an electoral system that can be done, it can be done. I'd like us to just talk about this quickly. Yes, Tunde Kola, well, let's quickly look at this on the leadership and then, after this time out, we will call it a wrap right here. It's to the consent of the presidential candidate of the Labour Party, Pete Orby, speaking to INAG, asking that don't disenfranchise over three million students. Apparently, that question was put out to him as to his thoughts about 3.5 million students who might not be taking part in these elections because you know what happened, right? So, is there anything that can be done, really, constitutionally? Well, that is a serious matter. You know that some of these students, they probably would have registered in their respective schools to vote. Some of them have registered in their villages and towns when they asked people when they were on strike. And most times, when we are going to be asking the elections and all that, some of these institutions are also shocked and they are giving a shock all the day for them to be able to go back to their villages for security purposes and maybe for those of them who might have registered in their villages to be able to vote and all that. All these things have to do with their planning. In some other countries of the world, there is a calendar for your own nation in terms of education, in terms of the nation, in terms of PPC connection, and in terms of all the activities that take place in a country. But we don't have such calendar. Most of the activities are done on the other basis. We never take cognizance on what and where certain persons will be, for example, during the elections and what have you. Say, for example, the PPC connection too. I should think and that is my own belief that people should have up to 24 hours before the election to be able to connect their PPC and all that. And some of these PPC institutions, there is a traffic. Some of them have traffic on them. It is so too difficult for us to say to dispatch some of these PPCs to their respective addresses or to the homes of those who have registered for them. Let me give you an example. A friend of mine had a child in the U.S. and all that and after the wife had a child and all that and came back to Nigeria, you will not believe that the American government, the American state, changed the international policy, the American international policy of that child. So the parent there in Nigeria, the courier, the embassy delivered it to the home of the parent of this child there in Nigeria. And that was the child that was born in the U.S., so close to the PPC that is in Nigeria that we are able to distribute to people very close to home. If we have mobilized the community that the violence and water flow, if we are able to assign the responsibility of distributing some of these PPCs to lawyers, to accountants, to NGOs and water flow, we will have gotten a better result. And most of them would have done that through our chat. But deliberately, certain policies are holding the PPC because it is a welcome on the day of the election. So it has decentralized the opponent but to make sure that we win the election at all costs. All right, then today we have to go. Thank you so much for being part of the show this morning. We appreciate you and we look forward to sharing your thoughts as we proceed in 2023. Thanks for asking me. Thanks. We need to pray for Nigeria. As much as we pray, we need to also do the work. We need to do what we should do. Right. Well, faith is without work. So yes, it's important that we pay attention to what we should do as much as doing the right thing at every sphere that we find ourselves. Thank you once again. And we appreciate you. We wish you a very beautiful February. All right, then. Thank you. Well, that's the size of a package. Thank you very much for your time. We have more ahead for you on the breakfast and the mercy show. We can't wait to have a first conversation. Yes, we will definitely be looking at our first conversation. The latest ranking for Nigeria, talking about transparency international. I hope I got that boil. Well, you can call it, you know, IT right there. All right, we'll be back. Please stay with us.