 So I had to replace it, but the second time I got a I got a virus and that was with windows Not seven. What was the one that Vista Vista? I think you got a virus installing Vista No, no, I got it like it was like one of those pop-ups install Yeah, it's not doing so, but it totally screw up the V install visiting Strange sites. Yeah something. I don't know something popped in but it was it literally it was a root It was a it was a root kit because it would reinstall itself after you cleaned it right and you reboot the machine So I had to totally wipe the hard drive, but I always keep an image of the hard drive on Another hard drive usually in my computer. So I just imaged it back, but You know another thing I want to mention I had said that I was not impressed by essentials Support and it didn't take two weeks But I had a snafu with my order and they did get around to fixing it and it's fixed now So I think they're trying. That's good. Yeah Give them points for trying and succeeding. It just took a long time. Yeah, I meant to ask about I put a I put a note in about it. Basically what happened is my 360 camera didn't I'd never got an option to order it in in the note that said my essential phone was coming it said If you also pre-ordered in a 360 camera, you'll get separate instructions that I never got the instructions So I sent him a note about it and 11 days later. So not quite two weeks. They finally resolved 11 days though Yeah, it's a long time He's gonna be the 70s getting six to eight weeks delivery on something from Renata. Galasso. Yeah, order my tops baseball cards Or I did anything I ordered out of a comic book like any of those like Do fall things in the back like 3d glasses. Yeah, or no, but not the 3d the x-ray glasses X-ray glasses those things were always six to eight weeks. Yep And I in it and it was okay like we seemed okay with that. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it was just that's the way everything was So you're like, okay, I'll wait my two months Maybe it'll come early man when it came it was a special day. Yeah, that's true It finally came just like in when that Renato Galasso long box showed up full of baseball cards I would be very excited and all we had between then and the time it arrived was three channels of TV And a batting only got three channels. Well, there was the Indy channel. He's three network channels networks a local Indy and PBS Right, I had we had three look when I was gonna three three network one PBS and then five UHF channels. Oh, wow, we had one VHF Indy and one UHF Indy. That was it. Actually, you know, I take that back there was a Mount Vernon station. Oh, actually, no, no wait, we had KTVU back then was an affiliate with foxes It's time to begin. All right, and you can you have it I remember All right, here we go three two What's that you want to give back some value for the value you get a daily tech news show No problem. Just had the daily tech news show comm slash the port to find out how This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, September 20th 2017 I'm Tom Meridan joining me today, Mr. Scott Johnson, how are you sir on Wednesdays are like a comfortable shoe But sometimes on the wrong foot. No, that's not true And it feels great to be here. Thank you for having me as always Our Wednesdays a slip-on or a lace-up. Oh good. You know what every day's a slip-on for me So I kind of kind of gotten that as I've gotten older. I have a feeling that one day you'll just be like a sock for me So yeah, wow flip-flops We'll just keep changing what we think about things someone who does not think metaphors about shoes are amusing is our producer Roger Chang Hello, I'm I'm using shoes Or maybe he does. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Apple told the Verge that the company is investigating a fix for the reported LTE connectivity issues in review units of the Apple Watch Series 3 The actual orders haven't started shipping yet, or if they have they won't arrive until Friday Apple blames the issue on the watch trying to join unauthenticated Wi-Fi networks When you're out and about they I don't know why it's trying to join networks It can't but when it does it can't get LTE No, weird that seems like a problem, and they probably should hopefully fix that one coming So I'd like that not to be a thing anyway Google and Motorola announced that the Moto X4 will be the first Android one phone to come to Google's project Phi Android one devices are close or sorry are close in stock to Android with updates handled by Google So if you're looking for quicker updates The Moto X4 might be your animal Yeah, there's no interface enhancements or anything when they say close to stock there's a couple of differences in the way Android one happens because of Developing countries and stuff like that, but but yeah Pre-orders open to Wednesday for the Xbox one X, which will ship November 7th worldwide Xbox one X can handle the 4k resolution graphics in 60 frames per second if you recall Yeah, and if well, I have things to say about that. I'll save it for another show Toshiba announced it has Agreed to sell its semiconductor business to Bain the capital Bain was quoted as saying Your punishment will be more Toshiba is the number two producer of net. Sorry N8 NAD memory chips and that So I guess Toshiba says goodbye to their long run Western Digital is partners with Toshiba And they've been fighting really hard to buy this chip unit from Toshiba. They are not happy They're not commenting, but they are not happy Here's some other top stories the Financial Times reports Amazon's working on smart glasses with integrated Amazon voice services It's a little weird how much info the FT has the glasses are reportedly unobtrusive So they don't have a camera or display or anything They use bone conduction for audio out and presumably for audio in so you know They would tether to a smart phone So you'd have to have a phone connected that had the Amazon voice services app sources also say Amazon is developing a home security camera system Which could send video to other Amazon echo products both devices could reportedly be launched by the end of the year. I am personally very excited about the ladder of those two things a System security camera system. Yeah, because I find myself. I don't know every other week Just kind of looking at what's available these days everything from those like full solution things you get Costco That aren't actually very good to more expensive options from from nest and other Well, we've got a nest No announcement for you like a full-on security system coming later in the show here I can't wait to pay exorbitant amounts of money for it as well because that's been my biggest problem I guess I just have this sense that because Amazon's interested in supporting the echo ecosystem or the echo system That they would They would make it a more affordable option That would be extremely well tied into the whole echo. All right Well, hold that thought till we get to the nest thing because that's that's their premiere announcement today But what do you think of these glasses? Uh, okay, so on the glasses Sure, why not? Call them the echo. I though if you're gonna give them a name Uh, because you what else are you gonna do right these things got to be cheap because they're just gonna talk to me And i'm gonna talk to them and look crazy But it's kind of genius because they're just gonna look like glasses. Nobody's gonna know I have something weird on my face Nobody's gonna be worried about me surreptitiously filming them But I get an easy way to do talking to her l exa Uh, and I won't have to look like I've got some kind of strange ornamental objects to get out of my ears Like I do with the air pods when I try to talk to Siri. Well, here's the weird bit though I'm trying to think of outside the house the functionality So let's say you're on the bus or in a car or whatever you are and you start to talk to your glasses Which then in turn talks to your echo branded devices at home Uh, I don't think it has to do that from what I get on the report. It just talks to the app on your phone Okay, so but so there you go there. What are what are my use cases? Let's say one of them's music What's the weather? What's next on my calendar? Uh, add this to my shopping list I feel like I just remind me to do something Yeah, it's not enough if there's no If there's no HUD or google glass type integration like that. I don't know that this interests me all that much It seems a little tricky and weird not even a camera on this thing that we don't know. That's the brilliance Yeah, so anyway, I will see and also if it's super cheap Then maybe none of this matters and it'd be worth trying just to try it if it's 30 You know what it's going to be no actually ken from chicago nailed it It's going to show you the cost of objects you see Uh, and then it's going to be you're going to be able to say buy that on amazon What i'm looking at right now. Yeah, you're probably right something like that is definitely coming down the down the road Uh, htc will halt trading of its stock thursday And this is due to an impending announcement htc has been working with an advisor to investigate selling its handset And virtual reality businesses Bloomberg sources say google is close to acquiring assets from htc apple daily reported wednesday that google could buy htc mobile phone original design operations That's very interesting to me because we have never really heard how the vive did for them Yeah, and whether or not a vive 2 is on its way or they were going to partner in such a strong way that they have in the past with valve on that front My guessing is those numbers for anyone including oculus have not Been what everybody would like Despite the fact that we are early in the vr cycle so This is This is the closest we've come to seeing how maybe htc felt about The vr stuff let alone handset stuff, but um, I don't know. What's your take on that? Do you think we're gonna I think after tomorrow's announcement will know a lot more A lot of people have speculated that the vive is actually doing okay And so they want to separate it off the stockholders are like sell that off So to somebody who can make sure that that doesn't fail and then cash out on the rest of your business Uh for parts because while you have a very good phone manufacturing business and design business You're not making any money off of it So the smart money out there is that google is going to buy the the handset division And vive will either spin off on its own or there'll be another buyer Maybe a maybe one of those, you know equity organizations will will buy the vive as a separate business bbc was speculating that google would buy the vive business and roll it into daydream Uh, and that would make more sense than google going and buying another manufacturer after they bought Motorola And then sold them back off again Because remember a big part of motorola was buying patents and that's not what's going on with htc I think apple daily might be on to what happens if google buys just the original design Operations and not the manufacturing and they find another partner I don't know maybe a foxcon wants to buy the rest of it or something. I don't know Foxconn has ambitions of getting more into making its own phones than just making them for other people The design going to google Would make sense They've got a design operation and bringing in the htc folks would supercharge that when they design things like the pixel in the future They probably don't want to own the manufacturer But if they know it's going to go to somebody Reliable they might continue to do business with whoever buys the rest of htc and then And then the vive business could just spin off on its owner or again be bought by somebody else Well, let's throw a little bit of support behind the idea that they're interested in the vr side of this It is notable whether this doesn't really necessarily say anything for certain But it is notable that google specifically has been very supportive of the vive making some of its most popular Uh creation tools and their version of google earth for that thing is downright incredible So it's entirely possible that they're looking at that platform as one they already liked and were behind And already sort of developed for and that sort of thing and it would make a lot of sense and not let it sit out There and just get scooped up by Oh, I don't know facebook who could roll it into what they're doing and then we only have one vr Right consolidation actually, which is not something I think any of us want we'd like this competition So so I don't know i'm kind of all over the place on this I kind of hope it's the vr thing and I and I want to see what they do with it if it is I think it's going to be designed. We're going to see a more complicated transaction here than we thought I'm not going to be shocked if google does buy htc's handset business entirely It may just be simpler to do that and then they could spin off the handset parts They don't want later like they did with motorola that could make sense to there's a pattern for that with motorola And it would be confusing to some but over time it'll make sense and they I think they are after the design either way I'd be I'd be a little surprised if they buy vive Uh unless they just buy the whole thing at once and just swallow it all You think that the only thing I thought of here is I mean the pixel phone is an htc design, right? It's lg and htc are making the two different models. Yeah, those are the two different models I mean that leads that lends a lot of credence to what you're saying that they that they own the design side of it this puts them closer to being Google making truly making a flagship phone from the inside out without too much partnering And that's interesting. I mean, it's more of an apple thing But it's definitely something we've seen them move toward and that lead into other products like You know, they're they're chromebook stuff and everything else. So Yeah, who knows but it's it's you know Whenever somebody halts trading on their stock to make a deal like this people should pay attention There's gonna be a deal Well, it may not be with google that but all the all the sources pretty much agree it is In some part anyway, uh, but there's going to be announcement They they according to venture beat they called an all hands meeting and everything So the there is going to be a big change at htc tomorrow that we know for sure Yep, uh nest announced several new products starting with a home security line scott called nest secure It's made up of multiple components nest guard is your hub It has a keypad and it sits by your front door and it connects with nest Detect modules that you put throughout the home at your other doorways basically put it on windows 2 Nest guard can be armed and disarmed from the keypad on the device or by app Or with something called nest tags their little nfc tags Then those are for like you can give them to the kids or the babysitter a starter system with a guard two detects and two tags Costs 499 dollars come in this november to the us with canada and europe to follow You can also tie it into a security service from monie They can give us a price on that you can buy backup cellular data in case your wi-fi goes out for five dollars a month And you can even add a door lock from yale called the nest plus yale And that doesn't have a price or release date yet either, but the basic system 499 dollars scott Okay, that's not bad. I mean it's still it's gonna be it's gonna be more than like I was talking about the costco specials They put up on those shelves I really hate those things. They're terrible. They're kluge the app service or the app support on those things are really really bad I love what nest does. I like their interfaces. I like their integration Really like nest I thought you were gonna tell me well, I mean I jumped in and saw the price But if I was going to guess before I saw this information, I was going to think a thousand bucks That felt like it was in line with sort of nests price tags 499 is actually probably doable and that's a fair amount of stuff for a starter kit. So That may be my My next thing and nest, you know integrates nicely with echo. Is it a nest thing? Yeah Got it nailed it But yeah, I want something soon I've kind of been doing this weird mix of things I have an old samsung camera down here and have another weird one upstairs and One that goes out the front door and the apps I use looked like they were made in 2009 and Like it's kind of a problem. So oh in fact, I didn't even test it os ios 11 on that app I'm guessing we have killed it Given the 64-bit jump, but anyway, yes, what you've said to me Sounds doable. Let's get some reviews in. Let's see how it worked out I might this might be the big thing I do nest also kind of storming back and saying hey, we didn't die We're still making things announcing the nest cam IQ outdoor just the outdoor version of the nest cam IQ That's for pre-order now 349 dollars in canada and the us and I'll ship to canada the us and europe later this year I'm not sure when europe gets its pre-orders and the nest. Hello Which is kind of like its ring doorbell competitor. It's a video doorbell. That isn't come until q1 2018 They don't have a price on that yet Very interesting. Well, uh, swiss post is expanding its uav delivery service in partnership with logistics company madder net I always love that name two hospitals in legano switzerland have previously tested madder net system to deliver lab samples Company received approval in march to operate over densely populated populated areas Uh, which is a big hurdle for a lot of these places Anyway, madder net showed off a new docking station that can be installed on rooftops Or the ground to receive packages from these drones madder net plans to establish regular service in 2018 Madder net quad copters are about two square meters and can carry two kilograms and fly 20 kilometers That is a beast of a quad copter It's a well, especially when it's docked on its big old big old base there Where the packages come in and out this is being used mostly by hospitals right now And that's probably going to be what it's used for when it launched it launches in early 2018 But madder net says they would like to expand it to you know grocery stores and stuff like that Uh, they are not the first to do this zipline, which operates in irwanda and is expanding to tanzania has been doing this a lot longer But it is a more rural area that they operate over in irwanda and tanzania So this you know madder net's making a big deal We're the first ever over a densely populated area But you know getting approval to do that is like scott said that's that's something unusual. So I mean I I love these stories because people have been saying After zipline launched in irwanda, uh drone delivery will never happen. And I'm like it's been happening You just think it's not happening because you watched amazon do a presser Where they pretended like they had a product before they do I'm not doubting amazon will have a product eventually these other companies have been beating people to the punch And these aren't these aren't big Companies this isn't google. This isn't facebook. This isn't the established, you know big five Uh, these these are small companies who are actually innovating and actually creating a useful product for medical samples In places that need them. Yeah, I think it's great. You're also going to just I don't know I think the next two three years are going to be a lot of companies claiming firsts in this area Yeah, for sure for mental firsts, which are like asterisks or footnotes about well, it's a densely populated area That makes us first. Oh really? Well, we're the first to take it to mountaintop thing or whatever Like it's well that would be matter matter that uh lugano thing was was over mountains So maybe it'll be the first flatland one. It'll be a good point But yeah, they're gonna you're gonna hear a lot of that It's going to come out of not just these kind of companies and these kinds of services You're gonna hear it from automated vehicle companies and everyone's going to be first for the next little while So I'm getting prepared for that now So it doesn't annoy me too much because it's going to drive me slightly nuts to hear everybody Basically land grabbing planting their flag and saying we were here first and really this is a you know a long process Well, it's one of the things I try to do on daily tech news show Is identify these things and talk about them early so that we get that kind of perspective So that when amazon does launch their service and pretends like they're the first ever You all know like well, we okay your service may be impressive, but we know matter net and we know zipline And you know, there's a long history here one of the things that that gives me that Feeling is that I've been covering this for so long on tech news today and buzz out loud That other stories are starting to wrap up that I've been following for instance the r.i.a Announced that more than 30 million people Pay for subscription music in the u.s Revenue is up 48 percent to two and a half million in the first half of the year Streaming which they used to rail against accounts for 62 percent of music revenue Physical sales are flat not falling cd sales fell three percent. That's not that much Vinyl sales picked them up rising three percent Digital downloads did decline people are switching to streaming Overall retail sales are up 17 percent wholesale shipments up 14 per six point six percent So of course you might imagine while r.i.a Since napster in 1999 has been claiming about declining revenues But now that they're back and people are paying for music They're just happy right they're not blaming anything right scott Of course, there's they haven't been able to nitpick or find a corner somewhere where they can find a serious reason to complain Have they accept youtube? In their price with all this good news They're still picking on youtube Because they just don't like the deal they have with youtube So they have graphs and charts explaining how youtube rips them off and the fact the matter is I mean youtube has said this like Well, we think our deal is fine. We think we pay you enough But if you don't like it then remove your music from the surface And and while I don't know whether youtube's paying them enough or not I mean, I think that the music companies could try removing their music from youtube I think they understand that if they do that they hurt themselves more than if they don't So it's just a matter of negotiation and if google and youtube are in a stronger position to negotiate Then yeah, you're not going to get as good of a deal out of them That is some strange saber rattling and it always has felt that way for me This is also something we're seeing with certain video game companies getting up the nerve to do takedown notices of their game content, especially story driven You know smaller budget games because a lot of people in their view Are watching influencers play it but not actually buying the game that it's actually not driving them toward it And yet they don't issue the takedowns Some recently have over other issues like the Pewdiepie mess and all that but for the most part They don't do it. Well, why because they know just like these music executives know that having their music up on youtube having the the The vivo channel thrive and survive and be the new you mtv for a whole new generation of kids Sells music whether they like it or not These deals they've made are better than them not having their music there So They can do that all they want at the end of the day. They're not going to pull it Of course, they're freaking not going to pull it. I mean you could argue that maybe google has has a monopolistic hold But I don't think it's a very good argument. They google has an outsized hold over over things certainly on video music videos So so so maybe there's there's an unfair advantage there for them Maybe but otherwise it's just like hey, that's the way it goes If if you can't live without something then you have to pay less for it You have to be willing to pay less for it and if you want to get paid more for it Then You know call their bluff. I don't know it also feeds into other parts of the industry when I hear something I want to this has happened before your wife has sent me a video before and said, oh my gosh I'll probably love this. It sounds like you're kind of music and When I got it I went oh, it totally does went out bought the album on I think amazon I might have been the itunes. I don't know might I might now get it on one of the streaming services I pay a streaming amount for whether it be youtube apple music or whoever So it spreads around it isn't just this weird vacuum of just youtube And that's where everyone gets everything and we're not getting a good deal there It's just such weird myopic thinking and tunnel vision. So oh, I don't think it's myopic or tunnel vision I think it's negotiating. I think the rai knows like well. We need to find leverage Let's make people think youtube's being unfair to us the poor small music industry And and then and then maybe the pressure will get get on google because people will stop using youtube for videos or something I don't know They're just trying to put pressure and and that's fair too. It's fair for them to do that Sure. I just don't like it when Because that kind of goes to my entire point which is It's not it's either myopic thinking or they're negotiating. Yeah all it what it is and negotiate Yeah, a better deal. You don't have to make us all go. Oh, yeah, man. Look at youtube ripping I mean, it's I don't know whatever it's like politics or anything else everybody spins it the way they want to spin it But it gets tiring and I'm telling you right now the movie industry is about to do this And they're going to get down our throats in ways you're not used to because they had a terrible summer They look like they might if projections hold true have a bad winter at the box office And then they're going to go well shoot We really haven't worked that hard to be ready for this switch for this change in consumption and where people get what they get And when that happens, it's going to be everyone's fault that theirs and I'm bracing for it Now I think you're absolutely right We're going to be seeing a lot of psas when you go to the theater about how you shouldn't do this or that instead of going to the movies Um We will see hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm. 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We are going to fix it and we will get it back But but thank you for your patience with us on that and that is a look at the top stories Okie doke blizzard overwatch league debuts january 10th Uh pre season starts december 6th in blizzard arena in burbank, california beautiful downtown burbank capacity 450 It's kind of a big auditorium is what it is not really an arena But it's going to be fun to watch and I might go over there and see some hearthstone stuff that they're doing in october The overwatch league Runs until june they have playoffs in july and they've got 12 teams So this is where blizzard is trying something different instead of just having teams, which that's not new Esports have had teams and leagues for a long time. They're putting them in locations They're trying to get you to be partisan based on your locale So they've got one in san francisco energy sports energy e-sports is doing that one Misfits gaming is doing one in miami orlando The coo of the new york mets baseball team is doing one in new york Robert craft from the new england patriots has one in boston The big net ease folks. They're the partners with blizzard are doing one in shanghai. This is an international league kevin schiles kabam doing one in soul cloud nine's got one in london Comcast spectator, which owns the philadelphia flyers hockey team doing one in philadelphia optic gaming Which happens to be led by the texas rangers co owner neal leibman That's a baseball team in dallas, but optic gaming is putting one in houston Dallas does have a team though. That's run by team envy the owner of the la rams stan cranky and his son josh cranky Who's the owner of the denver nuggets? Think they one or both of them own the colorado avalanche as well They're doing one in la and the ceo of immortals is doing a second one in la So now I have to decide which one i'm going to throw my support behind Stan cranky was not very nice to the rams in st. Louis. I'll probably go for the immortals one But we got 12 teams we got regional rivalries and we've got them playing overwatch scott I am attracted to this because I am obsessed with leagues and standings and logos and sports and stuff like that Is this going to play with anybody else? Oh, yeah, I think that well I mean they're they're banking on that and I when I say banking I mean it if you want to start a franchise in this league you are looking at 20 million to get in That's the ticket in and all the names you just mentioned are people with that kind of cash They've all seen value in this I actually think that price is a little undervalued right now and it will only go up But i'm also a little biased as well. I think I think overwatch is an incredible game I play it. I love it. I love to watch it played competitively and They blizzard is going all in on this now as much as that stadium or I shouldn't call a stadium that Location their their arena in arena. I mean, I think arena while a stretch is appropriate Sure, and they call it arena, but what they mean more is like it's an arena to fight in It's an attempt on a couple of levels to be in a way in one way it's kind of a lost leader I don't know what it's costing them to do it. It's it's pennies for the kind of revenue they do, but It's not so much about how it only holds 450 people It's about it being a kind of state-of-the-art Point of broadcast and stream for everything that they do and it won't be just overwatch It will be heroes of the storm. It'll be hearthstone even world of warcraft pvp tournaments And don't forget starcraft and everything else that they may have in the down the pike. So It's a real opportunity for them to own it. That's what blizzard does best They don't like to have things out of their own control They like to bring it in and have purview over all aspects of what they do with that company And activation has been happy to let them do that. It's meant You know blizzard's been one of if not the most successful video game company of all time All of that being said Overwatch to become a mainstream thing Is more on its way of doing to doing that than most games That have made this attempt before league of legends has an enormous following 100 million players play that game. That is huge Counter strike is a huge player base dota 2 enormous player base even starcraft and other blizzard properties. The difference is Households don't know the name league of legends They know their kids know the name and they know that he locks up in his room all day and plays that game But it's not approachable To your average person what blizzard has always been good at is becoming kind of a disney of video games In that their characters are recognizable their stories are known And their names are out there and everybody knows when you say world of warcraft what that is Right now everybody on consoles and pcs knows what overwatch is it is the standing champion of class based shooters And nothing has come close since it launched a couple of years ago So they have a huge advantage that way, but they are making that's not making any mistake about this They are making an enormous bet that this is going to grow from there and and and on and that video games as a competitive Spectator sport will continue to grow At a rate that is sustainable for a bunch of teams who want an investment You know they want to get money back on their investment of 20 million dollars And and and one of the things they have to do I think is bring in people who otherwise wouldn't watch right People who love watching overwatch on twitch right now are likely to watch this no matter how they constructed it They'd be like i'm gonna check out that overwatch league. I want to see what they do with it Uh, so how do you get the folks who are into watching? I mean not everybody who watches sports also watches esports, but there is a lot of crossover and some people who are like Yeah, I like watching esports, but I don't know overwatch. I don't play it You bring in the regionalism you make it familiar so that those folks are like, oh, okay So I've got a team to cheer for Uh because I live in london and I can cheer from a london team, you know and all of england Well, maybe parts of scotland and wales too. Who knows? Uh, well We'll unite behind uh cloud nine's london team Do you think that's do you think that'll work? Do you think that'll bring it enough? This is the other missing link. This is something you don't have in the other successful esports I'll go back to lead your legends as an example. They're extremely successful game in esports company, however There's a certain point where it just sort of stops and you're and you usually root for teams that are across the world You're rooting for a korean team or a european team or something There's no real connection if you live in la with any of those teams except maybe one of the players ends up on a team And maybe he's from la or something like that But this is this is them saying well, what do we know works in sports for hundreds of years? And that is tying a team to a community whether that's a state a city a region whatever That people will get behind that then what follows is you go out at night on a friday night to a sports bar And that sports bar is now carrying on a great big screen the overwatch finals for that weekend And you're watching those semis in there with your friends and you're drinking and you're having a good time and Suddenly you've got camaraderie and people who are with you and then the one friend who hates your team and roots For everyone else so there's rivalry there like all of those things are a little untangible and kind of chaotic But I think they're key elements here To make any of this work And I think it's the same as As think about football this way and people get super stoked about the super bowl or about the playoffs Rest of the season or even in baseball they don't care so much about regular season It kind of just comes and it goes and whatever there's the hard cores But then the ones that are just sort of casually there and looking for the big game at the end This will also attract that overwatch has one other advantage that I should mention even over its other games And that is that it's very uncomplicated Even hearthstone is about knowing what cards what decks how they react with each other What to pull when you can pull it plus there's randomness in that that makes it more like a chess game Uh, but when you talk about overwatch, it's shoot that team Make them more dead than you are get the objective done that you have to do It's very simple easy to play hard to master. There you go. And so to sort of describe it and play by play it way easier And esports has already evolved into talking like sports I mean those guys get up a couple of guys in suits Sometimes a third commentator and they talk like they're watching sports people already know that cadence they feel it And it feels normal to them. So If there was ever a time let's put it this way I'm not going to ensure success for them or say that any of this will be a failure because I don't I don't believe one and I can't guarantee the other but We this is the closest we've been to figuring it out and I think that they're going to go further than just about anybody else We will look back on these early days of overwatch League and other things with blizzard and go. All right. There's the standard by which everything sort of grew from there At least that's my hope and again. I'm biased. I love everything blizzard does what's hard Sure, sure not be that way, but I I'm very excited about all of this happening this year And and just a few logistical questions you might have The playoffs are all going to be happening in blizzard arena in burbank So you won't be traveling to soul and then back to london and then to boston It's it's not in that way like regular sports They've been kind of vague about how they're going to handle it in the regular season I think there will be some travel and people being able to play in their home Locations, but I think a lot of that has yet to be finalized But this is mostly about your your teams playing on the screen and and watching it, you know watching a cast Of it. I tell you the the the final thought I have on this Scott Uh, I think they should come up with the ability for Players in the league to have their own characters in overwatch, right? Because and maybe they're just skinned But if if you know if if I see Uh a character from overwatch, I I'm going to be cheering for that character And then I'm going to see oh well the opposite team has that same character, you know I mean They're I think it'd be kind of cool if they could skin them So that that your characters didn't look the same as mine. I think that that's not only possible I actually think it's probable and here's what I think they're going to do They did this a little bit with the heroes of the storm championships when a team would win That year Uh everybody at home because we watched some of it on twitch or whatever They have integration api integration with twitch and it would know that in our game client We were all given A new mount And that game it has mounting right around on And they were banners and on the banners or the the symbols you would stand on would be the logo of the winner of the previous event So it would be cloud nine or it would be whoever and that was a really cool thing they could go one step further though and In overwatch especially skin everybody as those teams I don't think you're ever going to get characters based on players that is not going to ever happen The team just not the way blizzard works, but what they will do Is I could see cloud nine fighting through their entire run In their colors in their stripes and their logos everybody will be wearing Just like you'd see in a regular sports match out on the out on the pitch Everybody's going to look like they belong to that team and same with the opposing team That wouldn't shock me nor would that be all that hard I just think it's weird if you're like cheering for tracer Right because you're seeing tracer And then the other team suddenly has tracer and you're like, oh, but I have all these feelings positive for my tracer like This is interesting you say that because that is one of the disconnects. I think with real sports versus sort of virtual sports and that is that In sports, you're rooting for the player who is the quarterback And you're rooting for the guy and his name is brad or whatever In in e-sports, you've got a tracer on this team and a tracer on that team But who you're really rooting for is the skilled hands of the dude or girl Tracer and that is different right like it is different. So So I don't think you're ever going to see these teams as characters I mean they could go as far as like mapping their faces on tracer so that there was one distinction or something But I don't think they ever do it the character and and story adherence and all that stuff also really mattered to blizzard And I think they want to keep the integrity of the game Uh to to whatever its design principles are and never really break break those for things like this But I could see more team friendly sort of things happening like again jerseys, baby virtual jerseys basically Yeah, really cool I would be totally in the road hog running around with a big blue jersey and his belly hanging out and freaking Who are the soldier 76 with big old cloud nine symbol on his back or whatever? Like there are possibilities here that they haven't quite done yet that they that they totally could But you bring up a really good point I think there's a lot of those points that we as hardcore gamers forget That the average viewer is going to have in their head and and they're going to have to address those for sure All right, a quick message before we're out of here Hello tom and insert today's other ho. I'm sorry. Hello tom and scott I posted this in a patreon comment, but I thought a little behind the scenes information from the eff Eme w3c story might be helpful if it comes up again Uh, I don't think it's I don't think it needs to come up again. Uh, this is an excellent perspective from the other side I mean we talked about the eff's open letter yesterday But we really didn't have a whole lot of statements from the people who voted for the encrypted media extension So we've got this wonderful letter from allister who says there were a couple of Misapprehensions from tom and patrick. It would be useful to account for next time. I don't speak for the w3c My company is a member to work on accessibility standards and guidelines. I'm an ac rep So it was privy to some of the behind the scenes discussions But everything I say will be publicly known or available So this is this is not him speaking on behalf of anybody or or even saying anything that isn't known First the w3c is a membership organization and employs less than 100 people And it does not have any any patents of its own companies Join to work on the web standards The w3c is essentially a host like a restaurant set up for people to come and discuss particular topics It does the admin and creates the structure for that work So when I talked about patents yesterday, uh, I may not have been cleared those patents are from members of the organization They're not actually held by the w3c. That's a good point due to that setup The w3c cannot commit to any legal indemnity or patent use because they would not be the organization to do that The members could but so could the content rights holders for eme related legal suits Which is far more likely in order for the covenant proposed by the eff to be accepted All organizations in the w3c would have to accept it Especially those working on eme like microsoft google and netflix There were some attempts to agree it But they fell apart pretty quickly with both sides saying the other wasn't serious about it If those organizations don't accept it the w3c cannot require them to abide by it What could happen is that the w3c does not publish the eme spec So that it is actually what they vote was about whether to publish it or not They are some pretty good reasons why such a covenant would be very difficult to create The biggest is that any backdoor to an encryption standard is a security hole that needs to be patched So you can't have selective drm bypassing as someone who's against drm on principle and works in accessibility It might surprise you to know I voted for eme to be published The reason was very simple browsers were going to implement eme or something like it And I'd rather it went through the w3c process and got standardized Because accessibility for people would be in a better place The eff leaving the w3c is not a big deal except for the publicity it generates now That's allister's opinion. They only joined the w3c when eme was proposed Essentially to do everything possible to block eme. So with that spec published, there's nothing for them left to do There's no more work on eme proposed. So there's nothing new to object to I'm a big fan of cori doctoro's work in general and I had two email conversations with him about this when he was campaigning for votes And based on that, I think he'd do anything possible to notch a possible win against drm In this case, the w3c was just a collateral damage. My perspective is pragmatic Bottom line is that on an open platform You can't ban something that the content owners require and most of the public want to use Given that browsers could see companies like sky in the uk implementing their own apps instead of going through the browsers They were going to implement drm having gone through the process of the w3c The accessibility security and privacy aspects are much better than they would have been DRM is still a problem for all the reasons people know But at least with eme it is a more constrained problem with a standard interface And I think this is a good representation of what tim burners lee who was for the encrypted media extension was saying was Look, it's gonna happen. Anyway, we should make sure it happens in a way that standards compliant and accessible And people like cori doctor o are saying We we're we're enabling bad laws to be carried out through the w3c and and we object to that Yeah, uh, can I just I know this seems like I shouldn't have to even say it but man your listeners They know things about things You know, I know no, it's great and I really appreciate allister sharing that that side of the argument with us Yeah, I do too. I mean, I have not stayed super up on this thing or stayed all that close to it but What a pragmatic Discussion that this this particular argument is I heard part of your discussion with patrick and some of it Honestly went over my head because I don't exactly understand where the different positions are on the standards but The idea that this is more not a club, but this is an organization Of people who are joining that club to then make joint decisions together And then having one of them leave the clubs They don't like the way things are being handled for whatever reason in this case this particular thing That just sounds like business as usual if that's truly what the organization is Now people are leaving by the droves and saying i'm out my membership's revoked I don't want to do have anything to do with this organization the way that the w3c did then maybe There's something more systemic, but maybe it's working as intended. I don't know Now it's it's definitely a good perspective Um And that is it for this show. Thank you to everybody. This this is what the show is about to me is helping each other understand things And i'm just the w3c. I'm just the ringleader Opening up the restaurant for all of us to come and exchange these ideas. So thank you scott johnson for eating with us Well, no problem. I've left a big tip. My service is great Uh, thank you for having me as always Hey, you mentioned the anchor app earlier and I never tell anybody on this show But I have a video game show that I do every day called video games daily It appears on anchor dot fm slash video games daily as well as the anchor app, of course And also on echo and google home devices thankfully or for whatever reason I got lucky I didn't have that problem when the server thing got switched. 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We're live monday through friday for 30 p.m Eastern 20 30 utc at alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website Is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with justin robert young talking about why tech is hated suddenly We'll talk to you then Show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Bob hopes you have enjoyed this brover Here you go. Good show That overwatch talk, uh, ended up being more substantive than I even thought Yeah, I mean it's good We were able to reach back a little bit into the other stories that kind of are connected to this like the arena and everything else but also just get to the basics of this is overwhelming investment on blizzard's part and on the part of those who are trusting them And to me, that's very significant. So to be able to talk about that in more details really fun Pio cow wrote people hate tech. Well, there go my artisan small batch processors. I was making Is I hate tech man Uh, no the tech backlash is becoming, you know, buzzfeed had a big article about it last week Artian had a thing about facebook this week and uh, I think there is There is a story to follow there about how hey, guess what google's not small anymore Apple's not an underdog anymore Facebook's not an up-and-comer anymore, you know, like amazonana.com anymore Uh, it's and and microsoft has been microsoft for a long time I don't think much perception has changed there except maybe positive, right? They've swung the other direction. Yeah. Yeah They're improving. They've become a new microsoft like it is kind of yeah But but it's becoming this thing of like instead of like whoo whoo these these young scrappy new companies Are doing things that make our world better to like these people are abusive. They're monopolistic They're too big the new standard oil like the tone has really changed Yeah, that's I that's interesting. You guys are going to talk about that tomorrow. That's I'll have to tune in Well, I mean that's jury tomorrow, right? Yeah, we can't hear you roger We hear you in our hearts. Oh now we can hear you in our ears It's like don't hear it all out thump in the next door trying to see what happened. Okay With my kid, uh, the nest is okay. I mean Well, she's crying but uh, no, she's not screaming Um The nest and just so viewers understand she's also not alone. No, no my wife's with her I don't know I'm the only one in the house. You'll be fine. It makes her stronger Oh, the nest big thing scott's nest thing The ira double a and the internet the same old song and dance google pixel parts htc Joining on about being first The ira double a never changes their tune ira double a bugle whip salesman amazon i question mark lexa And then nice, yeah I gotta do it slow can't set it off The geek shout here at the turf Why it's fine How much overwatch could an overwatch watch if an overwatch could watch overwatch? No, that's just silly. I like it I don't know roger. What do you think we what do you think the the the best one is I like the overwatch one How much overwatch could an overwatch watch if an overwatch you don't think that's too long I mean, I like it too, but you just asked me you didn't tell me about length I assumed you would be considering that as the producer of the show Overwatch no those wounds run deep. Oh run pretty deep Bone conductor apply with thin blizzard blanketing the nation That's that's not a bad double meaning but We're not actually capped on on length, uh, but you know, most people's displays will only show a few words. So You have to take that into important and they need to expand their vocabulary then Um, who watched oh no, we do that Overwatched overwatched by pro teams overwatch out jocks overwatch out jocks. It's our turn Overwatch out jocks overwatch out jocks. I get it. Okay. Oh, I said over over watch out overwatch out jocks It's our turn I mean the nest big thing is winning. You know what? Yeah, I like that one that that's pretty you know, the thing is with things like nest and stuff. There's really I mean, what if the service goes out like is there any way to Like I often think about this with my nest camera. It's like well, it'd be nice if there was I don't know wait, so That seems to be a complaint about anything that's ever connected to the internet Yes, and what if the service goes out? What if the electricity goes out? Yeah, but like, you know, I electricity is Is a primary I mean someone will the internet's also not proprietary. So okay Well, no, but the next devices are are they running on a on a uh Oh, you mean what if the company goes under? Yeah, but that's also true of any home security system too Anything service oriented has that problem. I know and that's that's my that's my I would rather be able to couple together something. Well, you can it's just No, I know you can that's but that's what I'm saying like things with with nest They say they're really cool. They're really shiny. They all come together in one box You're not talking about a connectivity outage. You're talking about a the company just going under. Yeah I mean nest is owned by alphabet. So it's a good bet It's a good bet. It's a good bet. I mean, it's I mean, it's no different than your cell phone service though Like what if your cell phone company goes out of business Yeah at the end of the day everything I do and like is tied to some service that could go away If Samsung goes out of business, I'm rooting my phone There how you like them apples pears. Well, you could root your nest too life finds a way I like the nest cameras are useless on you know pieces like they don't get bricked Here I'll be all I'm asking. I don't know. Yeah, I guess I don't either Cameras where I could just over the web or over my phone Easily look at a at an ip based html5 stream from some generic camera without I mean this is this is all This is the argument about about cloud anything. Yeah cloud storage is the same way like I keep my files in dropbox What if dropbox goes away? Um a trade-off is If you if you find a company real quick, okay All right, all right Well now I can't convince him of anything he played the kid card How can you influence him when he's responding to children's screams? I mean what I was going to say to him though is like it's it's the trade-off is always like Okay, do I trust that the company will stay in business in exchange for the fact that I don't have to maintain the stuff myself They guarantee uptime. I've got somebody who can troubleshoot things and they go wrong. That's not me You know, that's that that's your exchange of value there. Yeah Because I mean, yeah, you can you can run storage off your home nas you can run your security off your home nas You can run your password server on key pass on your you know on your for yourself Like you can do all of it yourself It just means that if anything goes wrong, there's no one else but you to fix it And a lot of people are like, yeah, I'd rather have it that way and that's perfectly reasonable. That's great I'm glad they can always do that. But then when you start talking to me like that, I'm like now risk it I think I want the service, you know, I just want to use it have it work not think about it I don't want to tinker everything I own. Yeah and really I just want I want better like the Chinese stuff, which is primarily what the cheaper and security systems are are really poorly done in terms of translation and Localization and they just have a bunch of issues That are real kluji, especially on the app side and they don't get updated on those apps Sometimes a new app comes out instead of updating the old one. You weren't even told you don't know where to get it Like it's just a name So and that includes Samsung their freaking cameras stuff sucks That's that's another interesting spin on this issue. Isn't it like the companies that that just stop updating Something you use like google is the the most famous, right? Or like google didn't go out of business, but they're like, yeah, we're not doing google news anymore Yeah I mean google they whatever heat they get for that they kind of built that they kind of made that bad a little bit Because whenever they started just like, ah, we're bored with this. We'll do another thing That set of precedent made people nervous And so now anytime you're like Voice I really like it, but I better not get too close because you never know because they don't talk about it ever Yeah, be burner or whatever And I and it's too bad they have that reputation because there are the you know, one of the most trusted companies in my life but It doesn't mean they aren't going to get bored and dump something I like No, I it's funny when you mentioned the the app that gets replaced and you don't realize it. I mean This tells you how often I've I've been using the mobile app to update a square space site Of which cord killers and sorden laser are square space square space sites But when I went to look at the 32 bit app list on my phone before ios 11 I was like, what why wouldn't square space have updated their app? And then of course i'm like it hit me before I looked i'm like I bet they deprecated that app and then I go to the app store Square space app that's on my phone is not even listed anymore. It's all these other new square space apps I'm like, oh, I just never I never updated I was about to say I was about to tell you that I was surprised there weren't more updates today because You know ios 11 hits usually A bunch of apps not the ones that are smart enough to do it earlier or whatever and right as I said that I did a refresh I guess her her terrible twos were kind of delayed until she was over two and a half It's just now getting into it. So everything's okay though Yeah, she rolled off the bed well the bed's on the floor like it's just a mattress on the floor But she rolled off that and beamed her head against the floor And then she got upset because she couldn't hold all her stuffed animals at the same time Oh boy Like because she's physically limited to two arms. That's very twos. Why do I only have two arms? I scream about that every day myself. So So it's just very much like angry like why why why did you give me feelings? Or emotions Well, I take out this emotion chip The nest big thing I take yes. Yes. We are we yes the nest big thing is going to be so when you have to wire it to your power I'm curious to know like Is that require like major drilling into your walls and well, I wonder I wonder about the installation of that too It does not sound like a diy Like like like the nest thermostat is famous for like, you know, it sounds complicated But anybody can do it And and the this sounds like something you might need to call an electrician for Well, if you're gonna wire into your power and you don't know your I mean like you got to turn the circuit off Right, you're gonna electrocute yourself No, I've done it I I've done it with my doorbell. I mean, it's not hard. It's just you got to be No, you just have to make sure to turn off the right breaker I mean the same thing with your thermostat when you put in the nest thermostat You should turn off the breaker to your heater and air conditioner while you install it. Um, but But I don't know wiring it into power sounds a lot more direct somehow I guess you're wiring the thermostat into power. Well, it's just already set up for you though But, you know, you also need updated wiring, right? I mean Like is it one of those things that won't work unless you have the grounded Well, you know, people are asking questions about why you wired into power Remember, this is an outdoor camera. So they want to make it difficult for someone to cut the power to it They don't want to just have it plugged in because then the then somebody could sneak up and unplug it and you don't see anything If it's battery, they just take it Yeah Yeah So it has to be more securely powered somehow Yeah, but most people, I mean if you live in a suburban home that was put together in the last 20 years I hate to break it to you but your breaker box is on the outside of the house That's like very easy to get to Mine's inside Yeah, mine's inside Yeah And the when they refit this place well, that's because you live in the safest city on the planet I parent just put the breakers outside Well, they do it for a reason so the authorities can get to it like fire departments shut everything off Mine's like buried mine's really hard to get to I have to get a shovel every time a breaker trips. It's so the utility company can get to it No, I've never had a breaker outside in any place. I've heard that I'm trying to think but I I've I've had them inside, but they were always older homes built before 1980 well That may be why because I don't know that I've ever lived in a home that was newer than 1970s No, no Back when the electricity I'm thinking back. I'm thinking this this house was built in the 40s House in samre fell was built in the 60s house in oakland the condo in oakland was in the 60s Uh, the house in the outer sunset the last one we lived in was probably 60s the one before that was definitely 40s The apartment building we lived in before that was 60s House before that was at wartian house before that was victorian And then in austin It's probably like mid-century 20s like yeah I just haven't ever lived in a newer house. That's all Screw plug breakers. Oh, you mean fuses bio cow. Oh my gosh. I lived in one house that had fuses My last apartment I moved from had fuses. I had to I had to keep four different fuses on hand About three of each one. What a pain in the ass Don't turn on the toaster oven in the microwave at the same time Yeah, I remember buying fuses. Where was that? That must have been in illinois I think one of the places I thought I'm at the safe way up the block. Yeah Which is san francisco half the homes use fuses are fuses last time I lived in illinois was 1992 So houses built in the 80s were pretty new at that point Look at your you and your angled roof You and your your your indoor toilets actually one thing I really Lament losing and I really liked what san francisco was there's a Unique set of home designs even if they shared similar floor plans Like people, you know, they're like there would be like turrets or you know, like just they didn't all look the same That's one thing I hate about um subdivisions is they have like five houses that look Very much alike except that the garage is either on the left or the right of the house This plan has a washer and dryer room upstairs I remember finding finally getting a house with a dishwasher when we Moved in in san francisco highly first house didn't eliminate or I hated it. Oh my gosh Don't even use ours really we use it. I don't use it all the time, but it's just nice to have it Well, you still have to pre clean. I mean I can't just leave like pieces of pie on the plate and stick it in You know, I mean you gotta Scrub it off. So if I'm gonna do that I'm near the sink anyway. I might as well just do it and wash it Also, I come from uh From the long line of washing dishes As it work That was one of my first jobs. Let's wash them dishes where they call it back An old timer told me back in my day. We used to pearl dive pearl diving Pearl diving To give it a bit of glam. I spoke in oh wait, that's different That's a different Remember there was a period of time where every other alternative grunge band had someone that sounded just like any better. Yep That's what happens the trend said silver chair creed Well folks, it's been lovely spending time with you again We really mean that uh, so go out and spread the love and have a lovely wednesday and we'll talk to you tomorrow