 Hello, welcome to the regular Advocacy and Autryshare special and first group meeting today. We have a special event We have this from commit strip And we will have a discussion about Comics for Jenkins you have Alisa turn on the call and the service could introduce everyone Yeah, so So I we have Thomas from commit strip on the call Daniel Beck Buffy Grash Mark wait Marky Jackson. Hey, Marky. Thanks for joining and Oleg of course. So just to give you some context When we were in DevOps world Lisbon, I reached out to To to Thomas and I said, you know, you've always been a part of our Jenkins family And pretty much most of the cities that we've been to for DevOps world Jenkins world And so we wanted to expand that effort, you know, Thomas and Etienne has always done murals in our t-shirt designs. So we want to Keep that love going So I've asked Thomas to perhaps come up with a Jenkins comic for us You know, probably more often than just once a year But that's the cadence that I will need to work with Thomas on But for the purpose of this meeting, we wanted to you know, brainstorm Oh, what is the voice and the tone and the personality that we want to give the butler and so That's where I need your help to give us input Anything you want to add to that Thomas? Yeah, sure So Indeed, yes, we used to draw a lot of things for Jenkins since few years So we can say we know a lot about the culture of Jenkins world and also cloud based team But all the community around Jenkins And so today we have a few things that we can begin to First of all, yeah, you spoke about the culture of the butler, the tone of voice So the idea is to give to create some creative material together to decide how we we can make the communication around Jenkins developers a little bit more fun With some drawing and more easy because it's always we know that at commit strip. We know that Publishing stuff with drawing with cartoons. It's always a good way to to I would say to express an idea so that's a good way to Even in the in the news field of Twitter or Facebook or even Instagram or any even in the newsletter Comic strip is always catching their eyes. So that's a good point. So it's a good way to to share an idea So keeping that in mind. So, yeah, the first thing I would like to check today is What kind of tone of voice would like to do for this communication then? What what exactly are we going to create I mean is this going to be a strips What what would be the frequencies? What would be the composition of the strips? How many how many? Which the size how many blocks in the strips which characters would be the butler The butler is a man and the man of course should we include some other people woman? Diversity that's important and of course at the end the process of the creation how who is going to be involved That's the what I have in mind before this meeting Yeah, so So Thomas I think you and I we can discuss offline on The the the frequency Okay But I think for the purpose of this team, let's talk about, you know, what what you need to help you get started To give the butler the personality, right the tone that you're looking for. Yeah, that would be the main point for today, right? so first of all, I'm Putting that like that. So the butler is of course the Very first image when we think about Jenkins But tell me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see a lot of I would say story with the butler. I mean, I saw a lot of stickers A lot of images static images, but I didn't see even some small comic strips with the butler Of course without saying about a small movie or something. Did I miss something? Is there somewhere in the story of Jenkins some strips where we can see the butler speaking in fact Yeah, there are some marketing materials for example for Bicolby's so we used several themes like break and bet We have Star Wars a few other things Regarding other visuals for example, there was a Site DevOps reaction or something like that. It was closed down a couple of years ago Okay, it also included a lot of various gifts and small videos that related to Jenkins right, but that doesn't really help us determine the Personality of the butler or serve as a template of prior art, right? There were maybe one of club piece marketing campaigns And I'm not sure how much they should color what we're doing here Okay Okay, so because if you can at some point find back If you have the story of this kind of Thing where we see the butler speaking. It's still interesting. It could be interesting to see but otherwise now we are speaking about Giving a real personality to the butler so if some of you read a bit of about comic strip I will I will code this as an example. So in comic strip We have four characters. We have the coder the season mean the CTO and the coder the female coder It's it's a front-end developer. So each of these characters Have I would say a mindset so the set mean is a little bit more Funny is a can be sarcastic. It can be tough sometimes the CTO is more serious. It is CTO as we can imagine very expert the coder will will do any kind of Sometimes is very naive. He will do say all kind of error but he has a good willingness to do things and the and the female female coder is a is more I would say Doing a lot of things and always finding a fix a solution for anything. So if we if we agree to First of all if we agree to use a butler as in fact a main character of Jenkins story Yeah, we we need also to give him what what is his role exactly? He's a he's a guy raining Jenkins software. I guess so So That would be first of it would it be a would it he's he's a He's a developer or a season mean or develops probably this guy is a butler. I Think a my opinion would be that definitely the butler should be used When thinking about the persona of the butler and especially the the personas that you mentioned To me the butler covers every one of those personas and I think in the given context of One let's say you're gonna write five different comic strips. The butler could be each one of those in a different comic strip Okay, so Of course, I agree. I agree with that just back to your original question Um What if the butler in each one of your comic strips doesn't stay stagnant one of the things that people love about the butler is Let me see the butler in a swimsuit. Let me see a baller surfing Let me see a butler and what if you play on that in that every single comic strip Butler looks a little different a little bit of a chameleon I don't know. It's just an idea. It literally never looks the same But obviously has the same face. Yeah, but is always wearing something different So kind of the concept that the butler is going to change depending on your needs It's gonna be there if you're a sysadmin the butler looks very different than if you're a sea level person Then if you're a right the butler has so play off of that Play off the strength that he's always there when you need him. He's always Anyway, okay, I like that. I'm just riffing here with y'all. I like that Yeah, that's a good idea. In fact, if we come back to the idea of the butler At the beginning we we think about a serious person with here to help you and like the butler in Batman Where this guy is very smart helping to do a lot of things but at the end he's kind of I would say Not very visible He's here to help the sysadmin the DevOps the coders But without being in the lights in fact, he's a bit in the shadow so This is what I understand at the beginning when we've Jenkins is not the star of the of the thing but it is the software and the person with with making everything happening behind the scene Gain the scene in a way. So but here the idea is maybe we can shed more lights on this persona. Yeah, indeed and So Would it be for me in my opinion? This character the butler is always helping another guy Itself himself is not writing the code. He's not the guy Building the software himself is helping the other to make everything working happening, right? so Considering this I think in every every strips every drawing it will be interacting with someone Helping him to achieve something. I love all the ideas. I think I think they're fantastic And I think we can make them all or integrate all those ideas So one thing that Buffy had put in the chat window Thomas Yeah, is that and I have yet to share this with you and I can share this with you offline, but Once I have more information on it, but we're working on a Campaign to bring more vibrancy to Jenkins and the community and I don't know if you've seen the Mandalorian Yeah, of course a bit not full month fully, but I saw yeah Okay, so we were thinking that maybe we can integrate The the messaging the the the images from that campaign In with your work just so that we have a consistency throughout Yeah, you know that doesn't take away, you know what we're talking about here, which is you know giving him that personality That persona. Okay. Good. So if we speak about the persona I'm going to ask you also as a Jenkins team and guys so Butler is in fact expressing Something about the software about what we are creating here at Jenkins. So clearly Would it be a bit I would say like like we'd say a professor or like a friend or like I would say maybe family yes or maybe like a teammates what will be the relationship between the Coder or the same in and the butler what would be the proximity in your opinion? I feel like the butler has to be very smart quick-witted and and It's almost I wonder if we could play on the blood but they're not talking Right it's kind of like behind the scenes almost like you think you did it or you but really the butler did it I Don't know. Maybe that would make it a little bit harder. Once you give him a voice, then he's a little he's a little stuck I Think I think one of the things that we need to do is Lighten him up. We don't want him to be the old guy that's you know been around forever But we want to play on his wisdom too. So I Think being very snarky developer centric smart funny not stiff Might be the director. We want to go but I'm just I think I totally agree. I Was thinking the same thing in terms of wisdom. I guess for me I kind of see him kind of like you know in the Batman Batman the movie The the butler Batman's butler. He's He he's not a main character, but he he's he has an important role. Yeah, and you know the wisdom the guidance the Guiding the growth of Batman right into a man and into this this this superhero Does anybody watch honeymooners? Alyssa I agree with you. No, no Okay, it's kind of like yeah, the I mean maybe the relationship is It's kind of like that relationship where there's the person that really knows the right answer Right, but and he's trying to get the other people to that and he said he says something and they don't hear him They hear something else they hear so he keeps saying the same thing and then eventually they get it And he's just like, okay And then they take credit themselves for it Do you know what I mean like the relation? Well, this sounds like a fairly negative framing when I think of the butler as sort of the The colleague the helpful colleague in the background, right? So I got the This is like like almost like a two-image comic strip picture in my mind first scene the butler standing in front of the room pointing to a chart that has you know This many broken builds this many successful builds and all of that. Okay, and the second picture is One of the people in the room from the first picture who's the actual developer manager CEO I'm Who got the information from the butler standing in front of an audience behind the podium? Audience applause and the butler sorts of peaks into the picture from behind the curtain and sees yeah This is this is what I have to do. So right never the guy out in front but he helps people he provides the information stuff like that Yeah Yeah, definitely definitely the guy with in fact Yeah, making run everything behind the scene. Yeah behind the curtain. Okay So do you guys think like humor should play a big role in the comic? Well for me parody has been a big big had a big part in the Jenkins project as a whole right We we are willing to play against all sorts of themes and all sorts of characters From from current space. So I think humor needs to be there and a little bit of laughing at the Current cultural context. Yeah, and anyway, it's coming straight So why don't we just keep it? Yeah, but in fact, it's not the first time I'm speaking with a I would say a Corporate world even if of course you you're such you you maybe you don't see yourself as a part of Big corporate thing, but still when we are dealing with brand branding corporate branding We we we need to be picky with how we we deal with humor because of course We don't want to take any risk to do some bad buzz or anything. So of course We learned in fact the hard way with a comic strip sometime the hard way How what are the limits the boundaries of what people can accept even for some people like us who are not Tied to any company so of course it's easy to avoid the The problems like you don't speak about You avoid any racism political religion All this thing we are for of course avoid that that's kind of easy And but the most difficult part is Sometime when you want to to make a joke about a situation and some people are Even a technology and some people can take take take it personally. I have an example with a flash Action scripts. Some of you probably know about that knew about that. So I want a few years ago. I've done a strips Where where I was making fun about flash developers We are we are basically dying in a way and some people were we are very feeling attacked about the fact that I was making fun of flash developers and even if That's not a big deal and people are already doing other things and action script. So That's why we always try to find a good To do some real humor not too much corporate humor, which is sometimes boring but not to be too risky so but of course for me The comic strip the comic strip format the comic format will most of the time come will with a Situation and at the end in the last block you see a funny thing So you have one two three four blocks where you expose a situation and the last block is something with a surprise Something funny or very surprising. This is how it works. So In each strip that we wrote and we have written in the past We try to have a surprise at the end and sometimes it is more sometimes it's more surprise or just Something unusual, but of course, I would try to play with a basic basis of humor but It would sure be nice to have a comic strip about all the companies that take aim at Jenkins the open source project Like I was seeing like the start of each of the strips is Jenkins reading a paper a blog and and actually reading like what someone the mark saying no mark come on And it's actually reading some negative press about Jenkins and then and then we address it I think we would really miss the mark If if the comic strip seems too self-fulfillant too self too safe and too like Oh Jenkins is the hero always that's boring like that's literally that's boring So Doesn't have to be that we do bad press, but why not let's get out on a limb mark's like I think so the reality The reality for me and thinking about this comic is We're using this as a vehicle To further the project. I think the idea of what this should encompass In my opinion is to make the current set of contributors maintainers volunteers Feel good about what they're doing as well as also using it as a vehicle to sort of Not call out not point out but just say hey, we realize you're look you're coming after us and and this is our way to address it We don't have to write a negative blog post about company a doing this But we can just almost like I don't want to throw stones at somebody But I want to throw a little nerf a nerf pebble at them If I if that makes sense and say hey, I realize you're coming after me company a but we're open source project And here's our little way to be funny about it. And I think that would make people laugh I think that would get a lot of traction and at the end of the day I think it would make people gravitate towards the project Okay, in fact, uh, I'm just a bit Uh discovering or learning something about uh, how you you feel about uh jenkins. Uh, I mean, uh I I did not realize that in some case you had what some negative press or What exactly is this feeling in fact? What what happened exactly you you had some negative people criticizing Jenkins without any so Yeah, so what what happens oftentimes? Is a company that is not open source Okay Will take aim at jinx and say how bad jinx is and and we fix this problem that jinx has And come over to us and pay for our product and you won't have that problem But what misses what what gets missed there is the fact that jinx is an open source project So there's going to be flaws with everything because we are all volunteers yeah, and What when companies that are a paid product and have no open source take aim at jinx It's a bad look for them. But some people don't see the true Vision of that narrative they follow it And this would be using the comic strip would be the commit trip would be a way for us to sort of say Hey, we recognize you but we're not going to be negative about it. We're going to have fun with it Okay Understood because uh, yeah, of course. I know jinx is an open source effort like a lot of software in the world Do you feel there is some specific? uh Targeting to jinx uh comparing to other soft open source Open source technologies Some paid even some paid uh software is comparing themselves To jinx jinx so think about jinx is the world's most widely used ci server Are right and so it's gonna have Um companies real small, you know companies that have ci automation tools That are comparing themselves to jinx and taking shots at jinx and so because we're used by the world It's gonna I think we were a little bit more of an open target or jinx is an open target And so certainly any company is trying to sell ci automation is going to take a shot at jinx. They're going to say They're they're not even going to mention the fact that jinx is free. They're going to compare themselves To jinx they're going to compare their paid product to the free jinx and not even mention the fact that and so they might Yeah, uh, and they also they also incorrectly highlight Um where companies use jankins in a bad way. So you can jinx is super powerful And so if you use it wrong, you can really get yourself into trouble, right? It's got it's got all the rope that you can hang yourself with right and some competitors might use that as a negative It's really a it's a powerful positive But they can also, you know, so I don't know. Oh leg if I've given the right overview of the Competition and why and how they're poking at jankins. Yeah, that's a good overview I think I I put in that chat also I think community should be something that you use as a personality a community developer Whether you make that one of the people in your comic strip not just developer but a community member community members difference because they help jankins right there and so Db whoever db was said Daniel back said it was too narrow, but I wasn't sure what that feedback was for but well, I like the idea Yeah, we could go all nuclear and for example at kiki to the comics. No, uh, you would just need to ask him about that But yeah, oh hell yeah I do like the idea of community in this especially if we said Choose a random person And if you've got that person's approval to use them in the comic That would make somebody feel good like oh my god I can't believe I I use this project and they used me and their competition But like that makes people feel good and when other people see the good feeling People want to gravitate. I think that what I'm trying to get out of this if we use this as a way Funny and not so serious. We're going to get more Contributors and the more contributors we get is where we drive the long-term, you know longevity of this project That's where I'm sort of looking at it. Yeah, thanks marquis to to uh to point it on something Also, I wanted to discuss about the the target of this I mean who is going to read that and what are the goals that we need to achieve? Creating all these materials this creative materials. So If we for example if we create comic strips that go on twitter on the social networks and newsletters that will Basically first of all reach The community itself and know the not the people outside of the community So what is the purpose? Do you want to bring more people in the community to increase the number of contributors? Or to increase the community the number of people Who are doing contribution? Inside the community already what or maybe the both but What would be the From the inside and the outside of the community I think you know if I had to pick one goal of this it would be jenkins pride so Um, you take enough hits you start believing jenkins is the old man So the community in and of itself wants to be prideful to Um community which will increase community contributions getting people outside of jenkins Uh to adopt jenkins. I think might be a a stretch for a comic strip. I don't know if you guys agree but um, I think it's it's part of of Changing the brand the way we all look at jenkins Changing it to be more modern fresh funny Um strong opinionated Yeah, and you feel better about this community that you're part of you feel better about it because it's it's you don't believe it's the old man sitting in the corner So I think that's a Yeah, go ahead marvi. I think that's a persona that people have with jenkins is they assume butler and they assume aging Yep And maybe that's the thing that has to be addressed. We have to assume that the butler is not old The butler's just wise and wise does not mean age Yes, in fact, uh The the basic visual of the butler In fact, as the eyes closed more or less I don't I don't know if you see what I mean, but the eyes of the butler are kind of closed By default in the in the but when he when you open the eyes of the butler And you you can make him a little bit younger. It's it's a totally different persona. In fact, uh, so, uh, that would be interested in fact, yes to maybe, um, uh, if you want to refresh to make a little bit more modern Uh, to to have a younger butler, maybe, uh, but that's I don't want to to do some to say Agee is a problem because it's it's also an issue in in our industry that people who are too old sometimes are seen as Too old even if they are only 35 years old like me. So but yeah, uh, I we maybe we can make him a little bit more fresh younger and Funny that will that would change The the brand. Yeah, if this is I understand one also of your concern here to, uh, to refresh a bit the branding because, um, okay, interesting. So, uh, um, I'll uh, I'm taking note about that. So it would it would be something that will, uh, will of course, uh, dig into So if we have a younger or a fresher, uh, butler, uh, uh, like, uh, yeah Doing some help helping the the coder and the sending to make everything and, uh, that that will, uh, Definitely works. Okay. So, uh, you know what I can I just add one more thing? Yeah, of course The vision here One of the things that I think is the butler is The butler is a vision And we are all that vision So if you it will be kind of cool to think if I'm the butler Oleg is the butler at some point through transitioning We are all the butler. Yeah, okay. Yeah Like, uh, okay. Good. Yeah, that's a good idea. In fact, that, uh, in fact, we are all the butler in a way Okay, so the butler could be the butler could be old The butler could be gender. Yeah, that we do all of these things. We're really addressing sort of social Stigmata's but the butler is everybody Mm-hmm understood Okay, uh, interesting. Yes, or is everywhere, which is slightly different marky because but because we are all the butler Um, I mean ultimately the butler is a tool that makes our lives easier, right? It's it. It's an augmentation So for me, it's more that the butler is literally everywhere like everywhere. I look oh, shit I didn't know the butler was there. Oh my god. It's there too. It's Right, so it's slightly different than what you're saying Um, but it's similar That's the butler is in you the butler is in you So when you're doing something like I'm writing code and I'm trying to get a build to pass and I'm like, oh my god I'm stuck butler shows up and you're like, oh, wait a minute. I got it And then you're like I got it and then the butler's gone I don't know I like it The port we're uh, yeah So we're not lacking ideas. That's for sure. Yeah, we have a butler. I totally get it. I get it Okay, excellent. So um, anyway, yes this butler Will be will be doing some fun, but by the situation but uh, uh, he will be of course probably Not not sarcastic No, it's a some some somebody who helped who is here to help you You help yourself you you make yourself better Probably something like this Okay, so I think uh, that's uh, that gave me uh The idea of what would be this ton of voice this persona. So uh Fine, so I think uh, uh, it would be also the the moment to uh To in fact that Now we are going to draw a persona a character Uh, it will be in position that you You did not see him before maybe sometime he will be uh, uh, standing up, but sometimes it could be uh, Sit down or maybe with uh, with the legs we can see so we we we have a new way to see this Character because right now we we're always seeing him like very static Uh, and to seem a bit alive even if it is a in a strip not a video We it will be it will Immediately bring some also Some I would say proximity to these characters. So, uh, I would suggest that we we can draw him in different also position Uh in in a situation that we don't use to see him Uh, even coding. I don't know even coding at the computer like that with uh In in a so far or somewhere it will it will bring some more proximity But uh, okay. So I think uh, I understood your Your feeling maybe one also question and to be sure We are in 2020 We are Jenkins is here since a long time. Uh, we know that the team is evolving everything. So, um, Uh, I would say Your vision you say this is a vision What is the vision of Jenkins in the next years in terms even of apart from the Butler itself, but uh, What are we what are we trying to achieve? I probably don't have any I don't expect big ideas or a big speech, but uh, Is there some things that you have in mind when you think about the the near future of Jenkins? Yeah, there are some discussions in works about the future. So next week we will have a contributor summit in Brussels Okay to discuss, uh, what would be Features we would like to put on Jenkins road maps, etc. Okay, and I think it would be The best to discuss it In a few weeks so that we have a vision which is somehow signed off by the community Because yeah right now, I guess everybody on this call Can I tell their own story? But if we talk about a Larger vision, which would be committed by the community. We didn't have updates recently So the last vision my community was in To southern day eating this shifting gifts and what was by kicking I'm not sure whether you want to base the comics on it because Yes, since that the community evolved a bit and changed the priorities So if it's not a present topic I would rather suggest to put it on hold maybe for one two weeks So that we come up with vision in the community Okay, that's very interesting to get in fact is a Some input insight on that. Okay fine and And And also We can we can speak in the strips about I would say any story that you have in mind Because of course At some point when we okay, we we have an idea with a persona. Okay fine Then after we'll need to discuss about the actual Stories that we are studying and telling into these these strips so Probably not today, but If you can talk if you have some I would say some stories Anecdotes something that you remember about Jenkins that's always interesting to to share you can probably It's always difficult to find some time to do this small task side task But if at some point you can if you want to write it down, it's always interesting to share even the smaller Things that you remember about Jenkins about the story that you you met. Yeah when you when you are breaking The the release or screwing everything or On the contrary you save something or yeah any kind of story is interesting to to to for the in the creation in giant here and so you can take some notes at some point and We'll we'll we'll put it on the document. Yes, for example here And also We'll we'll discuss when we when we create so we'll discuss also with Alisa when we create these strips and What I do on comic strip for your information. So I have basically three three Sources of stories. First of all, it's my my team and my work. I can see when I I'm working on a project I'm on contouring a funny a funny situation. So I'm taking notes and I know that in few Later on comic strip. I can really relate that. Okay, then There is of course the readers Readers are sharing things that happen on on their life. Okay, so same for you People around Jenkins can sometimes share things and of course the last thing is news because it's not only about All day today life. It's also about the new thing on Jenkins. So the new What what is new? So, uh, this is a tree the tree way we will find some story to tell so, um Sometimes we can focus on the new version. For example, yes There is a new version of something a new product or something and we want to to make fun of that and relate that Or just or maybe more simpler. Sometimes we just relate a fun story about what happened in in the past Okay, so, uh I think So for that, uh What will be the uh, yeah Uh, yeah, the the next step will be. Yeah, uh, we'll discuss also, uh, alisa how we can on the I would say um, if if it is once every month or once every two months How we we submit a scenario. So, uh, we'll discuss about it later Um, I add, uh, also, uh in my notes. Yes, uh, the characters with the butler. So, uh, Even if we don't do a lot of strips, maybe if we don't if we do five strips That's always interesting to to have a recurring characters. Uh, so probably, uh, uh, here we have two options. So, um, of course we can create Characters from scratch people who does not exist or people inspired from comic strip world from comic strip characters I can also be you you guys some of you but one of people one one of you Some people like yeah kk who is also very iconic, but it could not be him probably, uh, but uh, uh, so we need to decide also which kind of character we'll uh interact with butler So I think I think diversity is important to all of us Um, so when you create these characters, if you can keep that in mind, um That would be great. Okay. So probably anyway, probably it would be a woman and a man and a man because there won't be a lot of characters, but uh, I would suggest that we we stick to uh, two three other characters that we uh, two three other characters that will Will uh, we recognize every time because even if we do that on the long term, that's good that we we are still the same Person the same characters. Okay, so I'll probably work with one one woman and one man and one of one of them will be uh, uh, probably, uh asian or Black and uh, as the other will be white and the two that will work okay fine and Of course in a small strip, you don't know if the person is a is a sysadmin or developer or you don't really mind But uh in in commit strip, of course after 1500 strips, you know more or less that there is a coder or sysadmin or cto But even that's not a big deal, but for us when we write the story, it's interesting to to keep this in mind Okay, uh So I have the tone of voice ideas I like to click notes The character that I think will will have the butler like uh Not the star of the show, but the guy who is always there to make things works now, uh, I decided the next step will be to decide what we do exactly in terms of uh, of uh, Yeah contents How how long we do that how how how many we do that? Which frequency so we can discuss at another moment and But okay, I think I have enough to to start to write story because I think the anyways How we would work on that that you can bring some stories You can write stories or you can share an anecdote probably most of you Would be shy you won't you won't you would you won't share anything But if you can that's always good to to share even a small thing I can sometimes tell you that I'm I'm receiving ideas from my readers. Sometimes it's only a line But that's enough sometimes to write a to start a story. In fact, uh, Oh, something a fun happened yesterday that that and that's okay. Sometimes I receive a whole written scenario, but Uh, yeah, even a small line. It's it's always interesting. So Take that keep keep keep this in mind in your day to day work when you see something Funny or if you encounter something funny, you take a note you put it on your mail or and or and then we'll you'll share with me and then after I'm writing the final scenario the final Yeah, I'm submitting to you Because the key thing is to to validate the scenario. In fact, when it is when this is validated The drawing itself is not a big deal because most of the time Etienne is doing the The layout and it's working well. So but the main the main challenge is to find the the good story and the good text Okay, so For that also we would be collaborative. We can I'll share the the thing and then you you'll you'll say you'll say Okay or not and I iterate and then we will validate. Okay. Okay Um, so I guess the way I understand this then so Thomas you and I will talk after Sometime after this meeting. Yeah, um on the the frequency And then You'll go back and based on the information that we've provided Then you'll brainstorm. You'll come up with something and then you'll we'll bring this it back to this team Yeah, and for this team to validate and review Yeah, so, uh, in fact, uh Right now we did not define especially, uh, a topic or something for the first trip Or the because there is the first one and of course, uh, uh, I'll think about it Probably it will be one of the common thing about the the the ci world. We know, uh, yeah testing issue raking screwing software, but yeah, this kind of Is abuse but uh, yeah, I'll think about it and uh, but yeah, if again you have some other Ideas so I will read you really also the chat you are all writing thing I will check that. Yeah, maybe you are If you have something on slack you have a slack channel or We mostly use a gitter, uh, okay If slack is more comfortable we can Find the channel for example, we didn't continue the delivery foundation slug No, but uh, in fact, I'm uh I'm going I can come to your uh Tool no problem. We don't need a slack channel if we have a gitter. That's also but uh, okay Fine, I will read that and the The url but fine. Okay. I think uh, yeah, the next step will be that I'm discussing with alisa and then we'll come back to you this first scenarios and then every year and then we'll uh, we'll submit some scenarios and you you'll vote on it and uh So that will work. So I have I have did it in the past for other brands, but not for Brands like open source like yours with a lot of communities. Uh, but so that will work anyway It'll be fun. Yeah, exactly. I'm very happy to do that because I think uh, it's a good way to uh, to uh, involve the community as well and also Uh, we don't start from scratch. We have a character and make him make him the character fun and building on that is the Is a good idea. So let's do it. Let's do it Great Okay Awesome. So thanks for your time. I think I'm done uh for my questions. So I think it's enough to start the work. So uh, Alisa will keep in touch by email and uh, next week we will uh, We'll start to work. Yeah, okay. Sounds great. Thanks so much for your time. Thomas. That's me. Thanks everybody and speak to you soon then Thanks Thank you. Bye Everybody The video will be published maybe in three or four hours Bye