 What I'm hoping to be able to give here is a broader sense of the wider movement of which this Noble experiment is a really fundamental part I've been kind of roaming the world speaking with various people who are Utopians is that is how I like to call them And the way I'm gonna hopefully do that before we you know invite a discussion perhaps and have questions and comments and Suggestions is for me to talk through a project, which is here Which I kind of catalyzed and I'm now directing somewhat It's called the world fix the world forum for institutional experimentation and To give you a sense of what it is. It's a it's a utopian club. It's a network of sort of people with the projects people and projects with the insight and the foresight to imagine fundamentally different ways of living and The drive and the capacity to actually make those happen and create them in the world So I'm gonna talk through a few of those To give you a sense of what's what's going on Okay, so I feel that What the movement needs right now is kind of a confluence of three very disparate groups the first one we've identified are The doers the the systemic change entrepreneurs who are creating the tools the networks the technologies That we need to to self-organize and decentralize everything power information money And the internet has been the driving force of that And I feel what that needs now is careful stewardship by the right people with pure intentions and solid principles So that's what I've really been looking for and kind of screening for What's the commitment to collaboration over competition here? How much is ego present? identifying those people and those projects and then getting to work on Making them aware of each other getting them talking to each other learning from each other and hopefully at some point working together so that first group is very much represented here, I feel and I'm going to talk through the people in the other parts of the world who are doing the same sort of thing the second group which I feel is pretty important are People with money and progressive thinking And that is quite a recent phenomenon It's a short but growing list of people many of whom have made their money from Silicon Valley who are coming from a slightly different place compared with You know another time in history where if you if you were seriously wealthy, you were generally middle-aged plus and You know we're in we're an industrialist That key thing has changed So there's a bunch of people who are kind of aware of this sort of thing are calling for Greater experimentation and how we live And in some cases in the early stages are now putting putting resources into that which is really really key the third group are Government leaders who get this Leaders of small flexible jurisdictions like New Zealand That are capable of trying out new things In a small scale first and showing the way in many ways So I'm gonna get to that and kind of explain like what's going on and which governments are getting it and Where the opportunities are But allow me to explain Who some of these people are So to give you a sense of things so Here we've got Gail Karen Young who's part of the Wikimedia Foundation obviously Wikipedia have been a crucial force in Proving the value of open sourcing and decentralizing and crowd sourcing and she's a great systemic thinker who's working with various organizations to To show a new way of running an organization Vinay Gupta if any of you guys have been to Burning Man, which I'm sure you have is the inventor of the Hexia And is a resilience guru who is making his Way towards creating what he calls Gupta star Which is you know a new state and he's kind of very focused on his antipathy towards US law he doesn't like it He doesn't agree with that law and he wants his own law and Not actually Gupta star. He's he's willing to collaborate, but he wants that idea to exist and then co-create it with others Mark Frazier is a Veteran of the whole free cities movement, which is again part of this movement to create experimental Jurisdictions and communities where you can test out new ways of doing stuff Michelle Bachman is part of the impact hub network who are thinking systemically and have a lot of value to give to the movement They are a network of Co-working spaces and entrepreneurial hubs around the world and That's that's key having having space is a really fundamental thing and This this experiment ticks that box very firmly having land is a kind of big Big element of this and right now the movement is sort of exploring every different avenue So, you know, where can we where can we play in a safe space and test out new ways of? Organizing and and running everything from you know education health care law governance food Everything We don't know is the answer and that's why I welcome thoughts on this sort of thing But you know, there's various different domains that you can explore this land the sea the sea sted is Exploring that Avenue. There's virtual reality Technology is developing where we can meaningfully test out different ways of organizing in virtual reality And space is is a series option being explored people to a part of this community are Hoping to get to the moon within about 10 years and have people permanently living there And that's obviously a blank canvas where Anything can be tried depending on who gets there first of course So This is Maggie. She's part of the downtown project for those of you who aren't aware of it. It's a project in downtown Las Vegas It's been funded by the CEO of Zappos Tony Shay many of you might have had and bought his shoes from their side And he's put 350 million of his own personal money into making downtown Vegas a center for community and arts and culture and business Which is which is a big move and a big community movement going there again. It's at its early stages like everything else is But it's a key a key part of this in its own way Ben Knight who I'm sure many of you know is the founder of Lumio This is basic software that allows any group to make decisions collaboratively together Which seems kind of small but has massive implications and their technology, you know built by some quite unassuming Kiwi guys has been powering social and political movements grassroots movements in Spain and Hong Kong and Taiwan really meaningfully and It's kind of hacking democracy, you know, it's some groups are making decisions without only being given the opportunity to tick a box every five years So that's powerful Also coming out of the Inspiral Network is Co-budget which is again some software allows you to budget collaboratively Again, which looks kind of harmless, but the implications are pretty huge The inhabitants and the inhabitants of any community of any town can decide using such software how to distribute resources rather than you know centralized budgeting it's happened in Porto Alegre in in Brazil and We pretty much across the board. It's over 20 30 year experiment people citizens have put more money into things like health care and education than previously Would have happened or happens now in existing jurisdictions where you know money might be spent on on arms and defense instead I'm gonna skip through a few and get to some really exciting ones Josh Whitton here is our resident Jedi sage who is Who gets this very fundamentally? To quote his phrase the future is illegal Which I think gets to the gets to the number of the issue and about how law is fundamental we need to sort of crowd source law flexibly in order to Transcend what's going on right now, which in many ways is the rule of the dead over the living is you know Old laws made by people ancestors who are not around anymore and it's causing problems in many ways Pia Mancini is a you know the somewhat photogenic leader of And I kind of a software slash political movement which started in Buenos Aires And this I think is really up there with a you know fundamental Important block important piece of the puzzle Her software is called democracy OS Democracy OS org is the website and it's an open source Platform where citizens can vote on every policy they can be informed on what what issues surround the policy and Can say you know yes no abstain in the same way that? someone who's elected in the legislature would vote and They started a political party called the net party Which actually put themselves the leaders of the project up for election on the premise that should they be elected? They would always vote in the way that people who are using the app had had requested So it's forcing the agenda and you know hacking the current democratic systems to make them Listen to what people are saying In a way, which is just so much more direct and and possible Given today's technology that is being allowed by the current political institutions for obvious reasons people like it the way it is Not these not these people some people The C studying Institute I'm going to briefly explain for those of you who haven't come across it But it's a movement to create floating communities in international waters where you can start from scratch in terms of law and governance and and everything else They have been funded by Peter teal who's a Silicon Valley philanthropist and And Again in their early stages There are a lot of problems to overcome, but it's you know, and it may not be the most you know capital efficient Way to start but it's worth trying out of this stage This guy balancing the the globe Mark when is running a project in Guernsey called the dandelion project Guernsey is in the Channel Islands between England and France and The aim of their project is to make Guernsey the best place to live on earth by 2020 And under that are things about you know reducing the cost of living to zero sustainably Becoming the world's first self-actualized country That's about hacking the education system becoming the world's first self-organized country That's you know hacking the legal and governance side of things. They've got a crowdsourced legislation project going there Becoming the most high-impact nation on the planet. This is you know getting to the idea of impact and influence They want to be a beacon which shines for others And That that I think along with with this project takes takes a lot of boxes It's a you know small flexible place. It's only got one layer of government bureaucracy to disrupt The government aren't going to bring tanks in which is not necessarily the case in certain Latin American countries where this is being tried out So yeah, and if you're not aware of that, I'd encourage you to check it out because it's Quite exciting Ben Haldeman wants to get to the moon his baby daughter is called Luna and he's very much expecting her to Live on the moon when he gets there and he's kind of founding the movement to produce all the technologies from you know 3d printing to produce natural landscapes and crops to the rockets to get us there Michael Strong is Another veteran of this movement who really understands the importance of land and his in conversations with a bunch of African jurisdictions About creating free cities He was involved in a hon in a project in Honduras, which is still underway where legislation has been created to create Zones of experimentation Trial knew everything and that's still underway political That's an example of we're going through the established political Structures has kind of held them back They required permission they asked permission from the government to make it happen and As a result, it's been stalled for several years. So In contrast to that doing it this way where you just sort of create it and then Build consensus and get people on side. I think from what I'm from. I'm seeing is is a smart strategy Joshua vile who again many of you may know is down the road in Wellington and created in spiral and in spiral is Creating a cooperative model which can out compete the for-profit model When it comes to any organization and I think it's a great example of Making what you do and what your project does A manifestation of the world you want to create Zack is the head of startup cities Institute, which is a think tank in Guatemala which is exploring the idea of competitive governance and He is being He's being asked to consult Municipalities around the world from Panama to Honduras to Ecuador on how they can create little zones where they can test out policies so right now government that centralized might create a policy on say education and Just impose it in one go blanket across the whole country And then you know create an agency to to make sure that policy happens and then the agency soon just realizes that It's main aim is to keep its existence and not actually to implement that policy and You know all sorts of unintended consequences come from the policies and It's kind of crazy that given the whole Silicon Valley mindset and you know, you know the startup Movement and you know lean startup starting small that our governments aren't doing this And in many cases is just applying stuff blanket. So Zach is trying to solve that problem is really kind of In you know in the trenches doing the nuts and bolts stuff the boring stuff working with people on how to test out policies in that way And he's a great resource for all of us. I think they're building a library of policies and Kind of logging everything they're doing to open source it And Sereness is the head of an authentic relating community in Austin. She has big ambitions and is a good reminder of You know what what you guys have been great at doing here is building connection and community and putting love at the heart of things a Lot of this movement to create free zones is driven by Kind of a libertarian movement which is coming from a slightly different era And it's also coming from a slightly different place It's kind of you know hatred of government rather than love of people and love of freedom so it's important that You know we keep going what we've started here and putting kind of love and Connection and collaboration at the heart of everything So hopefully that gives you a sense of people that are involved Burning man are also a key part of this who else there's a There's an exciting movement in the kind of Bitcoin Guaranteed income space. So we're getting to a stage where the world has enough resources Not quite there, but where the world has enough resources to give everyone a basic level of of Material resources, you know the basics kind of the bottom level of the pyramid But traditional currencies aren't allowing that to happen. They're not gonna do it You know international fees and all that kind of thing means that it's kind of impossible. So I had a chat with a guy yesterday who is creating an experiment whereby we could Give everyone in the world a guaranteed basic minimum income via cryptocurrency via Bitcoin which is pretty exciting and Bypasses a lot of the things which are in the way of that Happening much sooner. So let me tell you about countries that are Being receptive to this and are getting it because it's kind of surprising, but it's it's catching on quicker than you'd expect and people people are getting it so New Zealand will see that hopefully this this coming week See, you know where where the various people in the political system are at in terms of understanding this and hopefully supporting it Estonia Guernsey Panama the president of Panama recently appointed a guy To create a free zone in Cologne. He's given him $500 million over the next five years to see what he can do That's you know creating new schools Which are outside the system? New finance new laws new everything Honduras the project's going on there still Ecuador Haiti Dubai Various Caribbean islands have understood their advantage as kind of small little test beds where you can try out different ways of doing stuff Iceland and Dora various Small countries where people in the system are getting it We're working towards an event at the moment to bring the three groups I'm talking about together to get them around the table and Basically saying right guys, how do we do this? You know because no one knows how to do this? that's the You know, that's the fact It's a it's a movement and it's very early stages. So we're exploring every avenue getting all the right people there and then See what happens And we're speaking with Richard Branson's team About doing that on Echo Island later this year as we feel that that is a symbolic coup which Makes the right statements and brings the right people together So I mentioned there's kind of You know wealthy progressive figures who get this and are supporting it So I just wanted to give you a sense of who those are because it's a key part of the puzzle So Larry Page the founder of Google is on record as having called for zones of experimentation To test out things the you know, these are these are all entrepreneurs who Have had to battle against you know regulatory barriers and legislation and their doers and This is coming together quite nicely and obviously they have plenty of wealth and influence now To shift that conversation which they're you know, which they're aware of Richard Branson gets this his kind of Green non-profit the carbon war room Actually kind of did this they got together leaders of Caribbean jurisdictions in In Necker Island with all, you know the top researchers and got them all to sign a pledge called the Ten Island challenge whereby they are committing to work towards being totally self-sustainable within within a certain time for him and Branson Has tweeted about startups that he's in situ He's he's aware of this and is a kind of a key figure to bring together disparate groups with this sort of golden halo effect Peter Teal gets this He's funded sea-steadying Institute Mark Andreessen one of the kind of fathers of the internet in many ways has is also on record as having called for Zones to try out things Pierre Omidyar the founder of eBay has invested in in Alessandro Orofino who's Creating a civic engagement platform in Brazil Whereby young people bypass government and make their neighborhoods better themselves without asking for permission Tim Draper is a third-generation Silicon Valley VC Who puts the draper in Draper Fisher-Gervison the VC firm and he? He launched a kind of madcap scheme recently to split California into six different states and get them competing against each other Didn't quite work, but he's now pivoting and and pursuing his interest in this All these people are mentioning a billionaires, you know, this is not kind of insignificant Interest in making this this sort of thing happen and there may be a friendly Film director in the next valley who who gets this and hopefully will continue to support it as the years progress Tony Shay who I mentioned is funding a downtown project and Nicholas Bergeron who is The homeless billionaire they call him and he's in Silicon Valley and has an institute on governance where he gets together pretty much everyone like every significant politician from sort of Tony Blair to Bill Clinton. He gets him around the table talking about governance and he's interested in this stuff and We're talking with him And he's yeah, he's another one on there. So We want to get these people around a table Give them a sense of what's happening Get people here at that table and and see where the movement is at and and kick-start it and Get as many good people as many resources Into proliferating these kind of experiments Around the world and maybe even beyond that So Before kind of inviting questions and comments and suggestions and hopefully getting a conversation going Because I'd love to kind of get ideas for you know, what you think of this where it should be directed Because it's got to be a collaborative effort I want to give you a sense of where this project fits into that From what I've seen Like this is leading the pack It takes so many of the boxes Great people with pure intentions Sort of true principles in a beautiful place with land With potential further support with a friendly government This is not coming together anywhere else currently So there's a huge opportunity here and I would encourage everyone to just like throw their weight behind it Because getting this working in one place is key to getting it everywhere And making it spread and you know imagine thousands of brilliant communities like this which are built out Great people and you can move freely between them reciprocally That's reinventing the world so let's do that So yeah, I just like to open the floor to any comments questions ideas Whatever you got Thank you. How how much are the people you just mentioned talking to one another about about this Not enough It's it's happening, you know the the connections are happening organically As you guys know there's people on that list who you've engaged with and are chatting with But I'm always astonished during conversations where people aren't aware of certain people and projects that I imagine they would be so I think we need we need something like this To to create that table and create that space That's what I realized But yeah, there's there are points of connection But the challenge is always getting people to drop ego and come together Especially these billionaires that I mentioned, you know, they all want to be like the the guy to champion it So that's gonna be a crew a key, you know Barrier to overcome because right now there are some of those people on that list who have supported projects that are in this space in a separate in a separate entity, but we don't want to get to a situation where they're kind of rival us so We're at a moment where we can shape the direction the direction this takes and And this group can have a big part to play on that I think the movement of eco villages that's been happening all over the world and I know extensively in India and Some in Scotland and all over North America and just imagine that that movement Would have something to contribute to the vision and the learning Yeah, absolutely. I'm I'm really grateful to be here to sort of get that side of things because that that piece hasn't actually crystallized for me until until recently We talk about like gross injustice still pervading our world on our website and we talk about poverty Violence and a lack of true freedom. Obviously, there's something pretty important missing from that So yeah, I welcome like exploring that but it's all kind of led by the community, you know, so Yeah, let's let's add that to the conversation You know, I had a conversation the other day over dinner Sort of about what you see as the role for the established institutions There's sort of a lot of conversation around like new disruptive innovations, you know in Silicon Valley, but What what pieces do you think we keep and And specifically as it relates to to government, you know, because there seems to be a little large focus and the broader conversation around autonomy yeah, and Versus integrating with the government and aligning with them as you know, but hopefully they represent the interests of the people Yeah, and so just I'm curious to hear your thoughts in that in that matter Yeah, I was thinking about this when we were from when we were chatting brown because so Brian was Talking about the autonomy issue and about how being here. There are various kind of regulatory hurdles so like working in the workshop and having to report Near misses where you know nick a finger or that kind of thing and that being, you know a lot of regulation But but good regulation And I think you know, we're not Changing everything and that there's good law and there's bad law and we should be able to keep good law and work with it But have the flexibility to to adapt it and change it to circumstances and that's actually been pursued in places like Honduras where they've It's almost like the law is provided by Britain or you know, well the police is provided by like Canada I don't But it's but it's that sort of thing where you can it's starting to see kind of Law and governance as a technology Rather than having any sort of cultural, you know historical weight and authority with it, you know and kind of sovereignty and All these kind of ideas It's kind of like leaving that behind and just being very practical and write what are what are the good laws that we keep And what are the bad ones that we change so Yeah, I totally think you guys could work with the government on that and The law's not bad here. You know, so it's not so much for concern. It's more a concern in places like Honduras where there's like there's no like there's the level of institutional Quality is just like really poor. So they're happy to start pretty much from scratch And that's kind of fun as well like drawing up a constitution from scratch But again that kind of draws on constitutions that already exist I'm curious like so if we imagine out that There are some autonomous communities nation-state so to speak types of places that Go much further in the patterning towards this utopian types of vision Some of the basic presumption seems to be that that's going to help influence the rest of the world by creating models or Technologies that can then can then spread but I'm curious just given that a lot of current there's so much systemic failure to adopt basic common sense policies already in various places globally and How do we reconcile kind of this? Desire to find refuge in some far away place and just do things in a way But but reconciling that with actually bringing it into the holistic Global set of solutions to address some of these these larger population issues of inequality and ecological harm and so forth Yeah, I think we need to build systems for that as well You know the current systems where that happens where a government will send a delegation to go like research the education system in Finland And then bring it back and then implement it like all those things need to change and obviously even if we have a network of You know semi-autonomous or autonomous Entities states, you know city states, nation states communities, whatever you call them They would still need to collaborate on things like environmental issues population issues and infrastructure stuff But I'm sure we could invent better systems for that sort of thing, you know, it could be shared Shared software systems Yeah, I don't I don't see that as a as a major problem and that's why the whole collaboration pieces is Important for you build that from the start. So if you guys have a breakthrough and like a food tech innovation that you create here How do you share that? effectively and creating alliances between Communities is going to be the important just like has been throughout human history But we can use software now to do that even better Thank you. This is so beautiful. I'm I'm sure I'm not alone when I'm feeling a little bit like overwhelmed in the sense of Wow How can I and all of us just as individuals contribute to this collective vision and not just walk away from hearing you share and You know, I think it can be so easy to just walk away and hear this just as a share and not do our part and I'm curious around like tangible Just Something what what can we actually do? You are playing your part Sarah. That's what I would say like all of us are of course are contributing to To this and everyone and has their role to play in it Like we were saying Brian, it's like one big project one big movement That we're all actually working towards even though we can lose sight of that so Giving yourself fully to an experiment like this is you know on a par with Peter teal writing a check to create a free zone in conjurious in my opinion so I've been thinking about the problem and then the the pieces that we have on the table right now and we've got Talented we've got we've got money and we have we have power and we have laws and we have nation-states and we have land and NC and all this stuff and I look at it and And I've lately been struck by this idea that like our level of consciousness is still too low to do anything different with them than we're already doing and And And that there are real ways to elevate people's consciousness so that when we look at the same pieces They make more sense we can write the better law We don't need a certain law because we're all in a higher state of consciousness I don't think there's I don't think I don't think there are enough laws to regulate loving kind Generous behavior if you're stuck in a bad place with low consciousness, right? You just can't you can't legislate that and And having been here I mean just imagine if you're out you're gonna go to this meeting or you're gonna convene this meeting of all these people Who are gonna throw millions and billions into things? toward projects Do you want to just like parachute into that meeting like? you know People flying in in their jets and suits and this and that or do you want to do you want to meet with them and talk with them and Really get down to business after They've been the one of Elijah's concerts, right or after they've gone through the Heartbeat song exercise with Jess or after they've looked at some of this art or after they've done yoga with some of you after they've done a Healing session or something from past wounds I'm getting less and less interested in talking to those people until after that stuff is going on and Yeah, and and so that's that's how you all can help and I have to say that I was I was pretty ignorant of that till this So these past few weeks with you guys, too You talked about a lot of individuals who are leading the world in various ways involved in this movement Many of the names you brought up have been winners through the current establishment and Are still playing the game inside of it and some cures to hear what your observations has have been in terms of integrating the values of this movement into their current lives into the various lives and if there are any reflections on that and In some of the ways that are that might be challenging for all of us to do that as we're Living in this transition time from from one part and to the other. Yeah, I'm not really sure about that Does anyone else have any ideas I feel like the fact that some of them have Supported the sort of stuff and are at least talking about it Suggest that there's kind of a difference with some of these people But it is like a short list of truly aligned People who can really get behind this and support it. So Yeah, I can't we can't really be forced Um It can't be encouraged So the question of sort of how how to sort of ease that transition for people who are still in You know, what you maybe call like the old paradigm or the old story as there's that transition and however How I experienced that in my own life is that it's all a gradient There isn't a sort of black and white like one paradigm in the next So what does that transition look like for, you know, Larry Page Sitting at Google dealing with Wall Street bankers all the time, etc I mean a lot of it and you can kind of see my thesis on it is like what Josh said is like You know yoga class Jess, you know, and it's like these these sort of balancing, you know energies Experiential and then incremental like it's all one step at a time And I think we all should like keep that in mind. It's really easy to get caught into like Paradigm dichotomies and all this kind of stuff, but it's all just individual incremental actions that we take every day, I Think this question is for it's for you and you and really all of you. I Just it's like what would it take for us to bring this group? here like I know that that's not a Completely unique question based on the conversations that I've been having with many of you, but I mean truly it's like I just feel like the resources are here Like we've all had these transformational experiences and we all come from totally different backgrounds And I think that's part of why it's been so transformational is because we're not just one prototype of person and we all have different gifts and The integration of our gifts I believe is what has made this this so powerful and makes it so sustainable and and the openness to new Folks and new leaders coming in and flowing out and bringing their gifts out into their Community, so I guess I don't know if that is a hypothetical question or maybe someone wants to answer that but I mean I Can see it and taste it and feel it and so I'm curious like what what would be needed for that to happen Yeah, Ross, and I were just talking about this morning actually About this kind of thing being a great place to To make that happen and some have talked about doing it a burning man, you know, but can't exactly imagine the You know the president of Ecuador burning man Maybe immediately after burning one. I don't know But it's this question for you guys to consider and I think your point is already valid Brian that it's kind of like people have to be ready for it and Josh's point so Everyone here will have a sense of when this place would be ready for that sort of thing and people have got it the right people Have to be brought in at the right time As as is being planned very carefully for this week Few reflections on that So this question of What does it what does it take and what does it look like to begin convening some of the people that that you're Speaking with Sonny and I think certainly the intention spaces is being held for these types of conversations, obviously This is one of those conversations Also one interesting thing that we found in the kind of convening power of this space in New Zealand is that That trip over the ocean is a really good litmus test for You know that that readiness And it actually ends up being its own filter so to speak And then the other just You know thing that's really struck Accord and mirrored back to us as the power of relationship and all of these different organic emergent decentralized ways and so Just those two things alone have really created its own field that has been that has been quite emergent and Self-organizing So You know, I would love to put the seed in the middle that just says the intention for these types of ideas is certainly there and And and we're we're definitely So far finding a lot of value and trusting the the self self-organizing and emergent properties that come together You mentioned Honduras and the state of lawlessness was forcing change I started thinking that I guess to build a new community it depends on whether you're running to or running from something and part of me Believes that there has to be collapse of something before people will really dive in But the world is collapsing, but I guess until it hits our back door in some Significant way we we as humans don't alter our behavior as quickly So those of us who are conscious of all the problems in the world It's like our responsibility now when we go back to our respective lives To continue building on the mission and try to raise the consciousness But it is hard and and I like your litmus test of the ocean So unfortunately, hopefully it doesn't it's not going to take a world collapse But maybe I think there's something which was touched upon there Which is kind of a difference between situations like this or Guernsey, for example, and then Honduras and Panama Because a lot of people are coming at this from the angle of like poverty being a massive um issue and kind of it's all these, you know, street hawkers who are just entrepreneurs waiting to be um Unleashed, but they can't start a business. It costs too much money. It takes too long um, so there's this kind of There's kind of the bottom up element to it as well as well as kind of doing these experiments in places like Vegas or you know Guernsey or New Zealand But yeah, maybe like they're coming from a state of collapse people in Honduras As far as they're concerned their systems collapsed and this experiment in many ways may have been born out of you know understanding that we're Involved in a difference or collapse Sonny, I just wanted to mention as as someone who has Is deeply invested in The power of model solutions Made much more widely visible to leverage change That as you walk this path, I want to sort of encourage you to scan for the documentary filmmaker Who might partner with you to help create a work of art to document some of this because It's it could be an incredible engagement tool and insanely exciting and inspiring There's actually a documentary i'm aware of being made at the moment Which is looking at a few different projects like c-steading the venus project bit nation And a few others I think so it's kind of happening But yeah, I think mainstreaming the idea of this is a pretty key thing as well Just sort of mainstreaming the idea that you can actually imagine a different way of doing stuff and start doing it It'll be nice when that catches on a bit more I really like the idea of starting small and but as you as In the next five ten years with these experimental communities as they Hopefully prosper and grow And it gets mainstreamed What do you I I in I see an inevitable pushback by The other side Because this is not in the best interests of A lot of the bigger billionaires. Do I want to say and So what do you do you see that happening? what That because those certain powers they're not going to like they're not going to accept this and I just I say this from looking at this world in the last 40 years through war and and laws that Use money like the citizens united is is the best example right now of using money Yeah, I think that's a really The biggest challenge is the people who oppose this and don't actually Want to create a significantly different better world because they're profiting from it Governments strangely have actually been Kind of receptive to it in many in many ways either You know playing on the sort of innovation piece like this is going to help you out compete all the nations They're considering these sort of experiments Places like Guernsey they haven't really felt threatened Okay, you want to make guys do the best place to level know like being like yes, you know tourism is going to skyrocket So there's arguments to make there, but then obviously there's this kind of corporate Over structure, which you're referring to I'm not sure about that I guess we'll see But I think there's enough Enough people doing enough seemingly harmless experiments to get to a certain stage Um, hopefully at which it kind of snowballs offer a reflection on that particular piece because I really resonate with this notion that um It while true that there's so many people who Don't stand to profit from these new models and experiments the same way as they profit today Like I think we have to examine that notion of profit and look at How much of it is a substitute for The richness and possibility of life In these new models and paradigms where there is more connection. There's more love. There's more health. There's more joy There's more well-being and that the collective well-being does have an impact on us individually And often we're we're unaware like we we optimize for things like money because That's a cultural story that's deeply ingrained But there are new cultural stories that we can also create there Um, and so if we give people the experience of healing or the experience of joy the experience of love in ways that they They can taste it that I think we can shift bottoms up a lot of That energy so that it's not clamping down and kind of opposition but rather Flipping very fast and supporting and and waking up to that possibility I'm inspired by this phrase that someone once said and I don't know the original author but that this is the revolution where there is no loser I think it's so important the question that you ask I I simply don't think it's possible to build this more beautiful world if we still have An enemy that we're fighting against If if the big corporate borg is our enemy It just won't work You know, if the government is our enemy, it just won't work if another nation Uh, a different gender, you know, if any of these things are externalized and made as the enemy then It goes to the bedrock and we can't really move forward both because They'll resist if you're like, oh down with exxon mobile Of course exxon mobile is gonna be like, no, no, no, we don't like this You know, but but if we transform from the inside out On an individual level at a critical mass Then there isn't that There isn't that thing to run into it just cycles up to a new You know, it's like, uh, if you put enough pressure on certain types of minerals, they're They'll crystallize Into a whole different complexity and I I feel like that's a good metaphor for where we're at now is it's not about Shifting the balances is about spiraling up to a whole a whole different paradigm piggyback What you said is that it is actually a synthesis of The root movement spiraling up But also leveraging, you know, the people that we have access to a lot of you in this room has access to the billionaires Giving them the experience that you were saying And really bringing them that I think that's really the piece really bringing them in and seeing that What is the root of their? Desire for power just like what you're saying and really contact that And showing them that it's it's bringing them back to the human nature Bringing them back to the basics kind of this land like this this this land The the elders came in we all listened They sang the songs we followed them it was so simple But because we were prepared and that's what that's why it's very important to bring these billionaires Into a retreat first so I can have any kind of I'm just synthesizing a few Points that it's really both from bottom up and top down. It'll go much faster and that Let's say holotropic breath work has been already used for this kind of work where they bring people presidents they've done it in in Israel and Palestine There's already a lot a lot of that's working where people are going into these unconscious states where they're just bring They're just seeing humanity They're seeing the disowned parts of themselves the pain Between their parents and themselves, you know very basics And so it's then then they then they realize oh, I just want connection I really just need connection. And so when we play that button the mammal heart opens up You know and then the defenses go down and then there is no enemy And then then then we can ask hey, let's go and then we give them the vision So Yeah, I'd like that too that thought that The growth Like for growth's sake like we got to grow it is the wrong place to come from it's like I got to grow me You know you got to grow me I got to grow you You know it's like we're here then what I'm experiencing from my place is that Who I become inside community Is more important than me trying to get somebody to become like me in community Yeah and uh And that growth is real like that's the real growth and that's What transforms the planet Is individually, you know Like the eye the individual eye creates the bigger we you know, so it's like I Speak to like help me grow You know, I want to help you grow. I want to help you change I want to help you transform and we have this moment to do that in this time that we're here and continue to open to that And then see where that takes then let's see where that goes You know, let's let's open to that possibility not like try to guide it You know like okay, this is what we got to get this person here this person here Let's just let the miracle unfold Yeah So there's a term that we've kind of used to describe some of these ideas around how New Zealand can sort of Be this leader by example In addressing a lot of the challenges that we face and Matthew's going to speak in more in depth about it but I just wanted to drop the term of When you hear the term incubation nation as a as a frame and you know, the sort of incubating draws on the imagery of of eggs and fertility and and the the generation of life You know and and the way that New Zealand can sort of be that fertile ground For for some of these new ideas. So just a little plug for First first opening speech Monday morning or Saturday. So tomorrow tomorrow morning We'll dive deeper into this topic and and it'll be a kind of core theme for the whole week So we'll keep coming back to these ideas definitely over the next couple of days