 Is there any sort of stigmas or stereotypes that really jump out to you when you think about asexuality, whether it's something that's common for the ace community or common for yourself? What would those be? Yeah, I think definitely the biggest one, which we've kind of covered already, is the fact that asexuals are not supposedly supposed to be in relationships. Like if you can't have sex with someone, then a relationship won't work. Obviously that is not true. You can have a purely romantic relationship, or even just a friendship. Some people are just okay with a queer platonic relationship or just a regular friendship. And it's really unfortunate that people think that they need to have sex with their partner to please them and to keep that relationship stable. Like that is not the main reason why you should be involved in a relationship. I mean, my husband and I's communication is our strong point. It helped us through long distance. It helped us to now. I'm autistic. He's neurotypical. So we have to communicate all the time or we're not going to understand each other. And so I think of all things, that should be the main focus in a relationship and not sexual intercourse. Yeah, I think it's... I listened to music while I record and there's a song that came on called Sex Money Feelings Die. I was like, it just distracted me because it was so related to the topic. Very appropriate. Indeed. I will mention that's the funny thing about our relationship is that even though both of us are sex repulsed, we'll still crack a sex joke or like inappropriate joke and both of us will find it funny. It's just so weird how that works. And a lot of the ace people in our community are like that too. They'll still find stuff like that funny, but it's definitely interesting. Yeah. I mean, why not? It's a part of things. I think the biggest stigma that comes up a lot is around people not thinking that it's real. People seem to be really, really adverse to the idea of asexuality and especially demisexuality. It just like everyone that plays into these stigmas tend to say that if you had a high sex drive that you wouldn't be asexual and that you need to do some work to improve your sex drive or things like that. Yeah. And I find that very strange because sex drive isn't always like orientated towards a certain person. Like you can just feel turned on for no reason sometimes, especially as a man. And you know, there's been times in my life where I thought, you know, do I really want that kind of relationship with somebody or do I just want to just take care of it myself? Like, do you think that people sort of misconstrued the idea of having a sex drive and being asexual quite a lot? Yeah. They think that the lack or absence of sexual attraction means, oh, you don't have a libido. But of course, that's. A libido. That's about it. Yeah. But some people do. Some people don't. They personally do not have one. And I know some some ace people who still do and it's very low or it's very high and it's just going to be different between each ace person. But like you said, it's like, why do people care low? Why do people like want to help you with your sex drive or want to help you have more sex? It's like, can you just stay in your lane? Like, why does it matter so much to you? I appreciate the help, but I do not want it. And it doesn't make a lot of sense to me at the whole thing about sex libido and sex drive being like a main player in how you want to live. Like, if you want to call yourself asexual because you don't want any sexual relations with people, then why do you have to justify that you don't want that? Like people ask, what's the point of having demisexuality and asexuality? It's there for a reason because if you go into a dating scenario, just a normal dating scenario, people are going to expect that you want to have some kind of intimacy in the relationship. And being able to say, hey, look, I'm actually this, I'm looking for someone else who is like this as well. Are you like that? Like there's a lot of utility in that. And I don't really see the argument that it doesn't need to exist for it to be a thing. Like it doesn't matter if it's the absence of something. Like if I was to say, you know, in a circumstance, my God, my brain is having a right all the time. You're OK. While you do think of it, I do have something else to add if that's OK. Go for it, go for it. Because it reminds me of people don't really know the difference between asexuality and celibacy as well. And as a person who is religious, celibacy involves people who are they still experience sexual attraction, but they are purposely waiting until marriage to have sex with someone with their partner, with supposedly their life partner. And after they get married, they still do it. And then people were like, well, like you and your husband are Christian, so you're just waiting until marriage or like, no, even after marriage. We're we're not going to do that's what asexuality is. It's not just we don't like we don't experience the attraction and we don't ever want to do it. And that's not what celibacy is. Celibacy is simply waiting for the right person. Well, I found my right person, but we do not just we don't want to go there. So I think that's what people get confused about, is that asexuality is not celibacy. There definitely is a major difference between both of those things. It's really interesting to hear about kind of the common sort of stigmas and misconceptions that people have. I guess how do you think that we can we can change society's view on this? How can we shift this perspective? I mean, it's just like the other LGBT plus identities. And it's the one of the A's and LGBTQIA. And we just have to let people know that this is normal. This isn't something that needs to be fixed. My husband and I are proof that you don't need to have sex in your relationship for it to work. Such a small part for a lot of people. Yeah. And yeah, for us, it's basically nothing. We have one less thing to worry about in our relationship. So I just wish people would understand that it's not the most important thing in a relationship or it doesn't have to be, I should say. And that is just I've also lost my train of thought, too. But really, at the end of the day, I just hope people understand that sex is not the most important thing in or doesn't have to be the most important thing in any relationship. And that as long as you have great communication, you both have the same life goals and that you both, I guess, understand each other or attempt to try and understand each other. Really, that's all that's important, as my husband and I are proof of that. And we've been married for almost two years now. We've had minimal issues in our marriage. So there is hope for a lot of my fellow romantic aspects or any other aromantic asexual or wherever you identify on the romantic and asexual spectrums, there is hope for you in finding a partner who is something that you're looking for, somebody that you're looking for, I should say. And of course, having you out there, I know you don't actively seek out stuff around asexuality, but it's always good to have some kind of representation because for anybody who is sort of questioning themselves and thinking, oh, my God, is it that I just have a low sex drive or do I actually just not want this? Like having someone that you know, either from someone that you follow online, anything like that, it kind of gives you a way to sort of explore that. Whereas if you kind of sat there on your own, you might be thinking, oh, what's wrong with me? Why can I not enjoy intimacy with my partner as much as they do? And I think it's really useful to have figureheads like yourself who really, I guess, normalize something that really should be just a normal part of being human. And thank you. I really appreciate you having me on this podcast. It's been really awesome getting to share my experience and getting to know you better, too, because there definitely needs to be more autistic ace representation as well. Definitely.