 You're right. You're right Madonna. Sorry Bended the rules a little bit oh Dear you wouldn't get on IRC and do exclamation point f-serve would you You wouldn't steal a policeman's helmet take a dump in it then Everything is either you did or wear sites I miss alt dot wears dot Was all the all it was all the binary News that it's like all that something binary. It's like ooh And then you download a bunch of music because they were mp3s like I'm downloading this like it sucked It was like the worst pre-package compilation music ever and there's just but it's an mp3 It's gonna be yeah, it was way better than those MIDI files because let me tell you There's only so much elevator music stand I got I invested in a Diamond monster on mix 200 I had a full Way rollin wave tape GS canvas wavetable daughter board on it and it actually made most of the minis sound If not a little better a lot better for most of the stuff, so it didn't sound so chintzy Reverse just a sound blaster guy myself. I'm blastered 16 can't build a PC without one Apparently you can these days salt built it you wouldn't steal a car You wouldn't steal a baby You wouldn't shoot a policeman and then steal his helmet You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet No, you would not Here's hoping The only time I've ever seen police with a helmet is riot police and if that's around I don't need to be there That's from the it crowd by the way Aka the it crowd there are it's there's many divisions on that is Giff and Giff Well, you have a lot of words on your back. Oh, wait, it's it's your here Darren. Let me ask you December schedule is looking like yeah, let's not do that I'm gonna be in on the other side of the world in December. Okay, you wouldn't steal Sarah Lane Right Hey, I didn't steal anyone besides that's not stealing. It's kidnapping. It's a felony You know what also do you control? All right, here we go you guys ready? Yeah Oh Control control you must have control There you go. Oh delete. Yes. I Miss all delete the old news group. Hmm. I miss shift insert All right, here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out your power head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, November 10th 2017 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline at the beach I'm Sarah Lane and Darren kitchen you get to introduce yourself now. This is I'm keeping it Friday And saying hey Tom, it's good to see you man It's good to see you too producer Roger Chang is alongside as well. How are you sir? I am enjoying Morrissey Day today. Oh, yeah, that's right It's Morrissey Day. Congratulations everyone Hey, let's start with a few tech things you should know Alphabet says it's project loon partnership with AT&T and T-Mobile has provided internet service to 100,000 residents of Puerto Rico out of a total 3.5 million residents USFCC says about 44 percent of cell sites are still out of service on the island Several reports surface Thursday starting on Reddit that the iPhone 10 has troubled recognizing touch input in below freezing weather Apple says the problem occurs with rapid temperature change It also says that the screen should become fully responsive after a few seconds and the issue will be addressed in an upcoming software update Yeah, so when you take your iPhone 10 outside, just give it a few seconds to warm up Yeah, just don't don't live anywhere too cold Hewlett Packard Enterprise launched blockchain as a service Friday to enterprise customers that want to run their own blockchain or use it from the cloud HPE service is built around our 3s corda ledger which can keep some records private something important for financial companies particularly During Disney's earnings call CEO Bob Iger said the company will launch a streaming service called ESPN plus in the spring of 2018 Iger also said the new app will let users stream our channels on Authenticated basis and subscribe to ESPN plus for additional sports coverage including thousands of live sporting events Let's get on to some more top stories in an interview with Politico pro US Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said he is in favor of strong encryption Which helps prevent fraud and reduces the caseload for the Department of Justice because fewer people fall victims to fraud He also said that's a separate issue from legal access for criminal cases And he thinks the idea that strong encryption should be unbreakable is in his words Unreasonable said he understands that accommodating potential government access could weaken encryption. He says yeah No, I get it But he also said I think that's a legitimate issue that we can debate How much risk are we willing to take in return for the reward adding quote There is a cost to having impregnable security and we've talked about some of the aspects of that The cost is that criminals are going to be able to get away with stuff And that's going to prevent us in law enforcement from holding them accountable So they're bringing this back darin bringing back the hits I get it again and again, you know, we won this in the 90s with the original crypto wars And we'll just have to win it again So it's good to know that rod agrees with us the strong crypto is great So, you know, let them debate it until they're blue in the face because I don't think any Tech company worth the salt is going to side with big brother on this one You can't stop the math. It sounds very reasonable Believe me, uh, and he's being very reasonable saying look i'm for strong encryption. Yes There are benefits to it I like that he's giving that side of the argument and it sounds very reasonable to say But it's a risk reward situation if we give up just a little bit of security We'll be able to crack down on these criminals and we won't give up on too much of the fraud competition, right? And no because the criminals are just going to use strong crypto anyway So it's just like the only thing you're doing is is hindering the lawful Well, okay, but let's say hey, but there are criminals out there that aren't very good at it And maybe they won't use the strong crypto It's an either or situation If it can be broken it can be broken for everybody. It's not a thing where you can like Well, we could at just a little so that most people won't break it like it's math. It's just math Yeah, this is slip yourself and you know, oh, but that'll help us get the stupid criminals. It's like well That's that may be today's reality, but what about in 50 years? Come on. You can't put something on the books like this now And I think this train has come and gone Yeah, lost in the 90s and the world won and we can go go down the rat hole again of talking about yeah But if the government's the only one that has the key Then they someone would have to leak the key and then we talk about the fact that nobody is very good at protecting These sorts of keys and they could be exfiltrated and once it's exfiltrated once it's exfiltrated for everybody, right? This is not this is not a physical key Uh, this is an infinitely copyable key once it's out. It's out for all all intensive purposes for everybody And and honestly, I don't know. I would like before I agree to that risk I would like to know what the reward is. Uh, I haven't the the kind of nebulous idea is Well, we could get into these phones and find out stuff But I don't know how that prevents crime and a lot of times you get into the phone and you don't find anything Very useful. So how much improvement would I get? What's the percentage improvement in fighting crime that what I would get? What's the percentage risk that I would take as a user? Let's actually put some numbers on it I don't think you're going to get those numbers from Uh, the powers that be I think they're just going to you know talk in circles and tell you that it's you know Important for national security and that they of course can't tell you anything of substance for x y z reasons Yeah, that's just been the status quo Well, moving on I would like to ask everyone on the panel today. Have you heard of china's bite dance? If so with your hand before today, no Okay, well, it's kind of a big deal. It's valued at 20 billion dollars It has a news aggregator app called gin to to chow. Hopefully I'm saying that right has 100 million daily users and growing bite dance also has agreed to acquire musically which is the teen social video app for about 800 million dollars and Just this week it also invested 50 million dollars in live dot me, which is a u.s focused mobile streaming app from china's cheetah and That's not all dropped 88.6 million dollars to acquire cheetah's french-based media aggregation service news republic So bite dance is kind of a big deal these days also Operates an english-language news app called top buzz Invested in an india-based daily hunt And bite dance uses ai to tailor stories to its news headline app I mean honestly before this morning. I had never heard of this before Yeah, uh this because you only hear about alibaba and tencent right these those are the googles and amazons It sounds like bite dance is a snapchat Or smaller It is it is something that is on the rise It's kind of musically musically is huge Uh, but a lot of people haven't heard of it even in the u.s If they're not in the no if they're not in the group that uses it and they are Really expanding outside of china in an aggressive way according to this tech crunch article Hmm Do you think this has the potential to kind of obtain status worldwide that other services out of china like we chat currently have Yeah, we chat's another great example of like it's huge in china and it's starting to make some inroads outside But it's harder. This is interesting where china just bought the next snapchat, right? They some a smaller chinese company just bought The the hottest young app on the market So instead of having to wait for You know for instance for their news aggregator app to make its way out They just they just bought into the u.s market in a big way This is akin to me. This is akin to the Lenovo buying ibm's think pad business That makes sense on a smaller scale, obviously Uh, well new zealand security firm net safe has developed a chatbot called re scam That engages email scammers if you receive an email scam You can forward it to me at re scam org And a proxy email account will be created that begins engaging the scammer With the intent of wasting their time now This isn't a new principle But the principle is that Scams and email and spam work because you can send out millions and billions cheaply And you only need a very small percentage of responses to make it worthwhile What this is doing is saying well, let's make it More costly to send these things out Let's waste their time with bots that respond to them the verge notes that uh, There was a pre-programmed collection of 16 voice snippets called lenny That was vague enough to waste Telemarketers time dare. Do you think this is uh, going to be effective? Uh, yeah, I mean it could be if it was rolled out large scale I mean it's the it's the whole like um spam model Which is like you only need one in a million clicks. So if um You know, you just do the same back to them. I love I love the concept I mean we've all gotten those calls from like Microsoft tech support and they of course want you to like You know do something on your computer and that's the time where if you if you can execute on it It's super fun to spin up a little windows xp virtual machine And actually go through the the motions with them because you're wasting their time And in some cases you can actually get a reverse shell back on their machine To the hacker minded there. Yeah, no, absolutely And but the thing with this is you don't have to spend that time yourself You can let the bot do it But sarah are people going to do that? Are they going to even spend the time to forward this to the bot? I mean if it cut down on the spam that I received particularly text spam, which is you know Bane of my existence these days sure, but I don't know it doesn't really solve a problem as far as i'm concerned It's like all you're doing is like throwing back more junk into like the junk atmosphere You know that's clogging up some pipes somewhere. So uh, yeah, I I don't know if somebody were to say if you um Can never get any spam again. Would you use this? I'd say yes, but It seems like counterproductive especially because in many cases the person that's the spammer on one side is a real person and uh I don't necessarily want to make their lives bad either Yeah, you're right. They're just trying to provide for their families by calling everybody up and getting them to download and execute Oh and run it on their computer. I'm not gonna argue that's like, you know, it's it's not a service than anyone wants But yeah, I don't know. I think sometimes these things are a little bit more nuanced Well, though, sometimes those things are bots too. So I I don't know If everybody did it it would cut down on spam because it would make it too costly For a lot of people to keep doing these scams and it would protect people who are vulnerable Uh, but I just don't think enough people are going to do it for it to make a visible difference. Unfortunately What do we got left? Well uber has lost its appeal in the uk's employment appeal tribunal over employee benefits Which means the tribunal upheld its decision that uber drivers are employees They're not contractors they're employees and they must be paid minimum wage and receive statutory holiday pay The tribunal also said the independent contractors must have no requirement that work be offered No obligation to offer work and that uber does not meet the definition because that uber drivers at least right now Um, except 80 of tips to maintain status uber said it will appeal to the court of appeal Which is in the uk the last stop before uk's supreme courts Yeah So the way I read this it makes it seem like if uber didn't require that their drivers accept 80 of the trips That they could be considered contractors So then they could have a workforce and uber says they've dropped that 80 requirement in the uk uber says we don't require That 80 percent But I think the point is you can't require them to ever take a trip That has to be entirely their decision for them to be considered a contractor Hmm, it sounds like when these things come up uber is always like, okay, okay, great What are the particular rules for this game because we'll just fit our business model into your game And that's and but from the legislative side. That's not actually what they're playing They're not saying like oh you have to fit into this hole. They're just saying gtfo Uber has dealt with and a variety of municipal areas that it has operated in where the city is like wait a second You know contractors versus employees, you know, we we have thoughts on this So, I mean the the uk saying hey, they have to be employees is not something new necessarily um What I always find a little amusing is that uber kind of goes like, well, no We just want to make it like really convenient for drivers to kind of do other stuff whatever when in reality They just don't want to pay a certain wage and provide benefits Yeah, well and and honestly I I get where the ride hailing App like this could work really well with entirely independent contractors like we have an open platform anybody can drive for us It's your contractors, but uber has a lot of restrictions And some of those restrictions are quite necessary But because of those restrictions it does make them sort of in this gray area between Well, you're a full-time employee, but you're not Uh and and that's that's what's getting worked out in all of these cases Hey, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines.com available on the amazon echo google home and in the anchor app Now thursday youtube announced a new policy that will restrict videos that appear kid friendly but contain adult themes To people 18 and over people who are logged in with an account that says they're 18 and over granted You could be under 18 and have that kind of account But there's not much they can do about that youtube says it takes a few days for those kind of videos To make it from youtube to youtube kids though, and that's where this really does become effective It hopes this new policy will stop inappropriate videos from making the jump youtube already uses an algorithm to block these and they say The fraction of such videos not caught by the algorithms is 0.00 5 percent over the last 30 days But they're putting some humans on the case To flag and review to try to bring that percentage down even farther roger You've been kind of following this because you use youtube kids with your daughter Yeah, and um one of the uh one of the things that A lot of these videos have in common is they use they flag it with key keywords as well as tags That make it seem like popular videos that use a lot of the same characters Now a lot of these children's videos typically do Two to three things that are similar they they do repetitive musical style Counting colors object identification, or they do something kind of like a child version Look, we were talking earlier a child's version of unboxing Which usually involves unwrapping little toys or opening up like a kinder egg surprise, which is a chocolate egg with a toy in the middle But unfortunately I don't know. I'm not sure what the the motivation behind it is but a lot of these kind of more I want to say raunchy videos use a lot of the same things, but then they start Getting into very adult themes whether it's kind of in you went like heavy in new window or explicit Things that are not child friendly It's kind it is it is kind of it is a worrisome trend because As an apparent, you know, you assume that youtube kids is kid friendly And unfortunately it's made a lot of these videos even if only a small percentage make it through they end up in the playlist for example, we were talking earlier there is A gentleman and his daughters that do a series of videos called bad baby freak and it's just him and his daughters Doing very destructive or very messy Kind of borderline disturbing videos, but they rack up huge amounts of views. I'm talking like 200 plus Million views for these videos now. No, let's be very clear You are not accusing that channel of violating youtube's policies. You're just saying it's kind of weird It's kind of on the edge and you're not sure if you're comfortable with your daughter watching Well, i'm not comfortable with you know video showing kids blatantly breaking things or causing a mess which could be dangerous to someone else It's kind of like the same way that people view loony tunes cartoons where a lot of the slapstick might be appropriate for That doesn't sound so bad then Yeah, if you're an adult that's fine But you know if you're a kid and you're trying to like light a match under someone, you know because it's laughing giggles Not such a cool thing Right, this is an important problem to solve because at least you know what actually when we all grew up Our parents knew that they could stick us in front of the tv with pretty good assurance that depending on the channel that That it had gone through the sensors and such and that you know The the saturday morning cartoons. We're not going to have risky themes that we're going to you know Do too much damage, but I can see the slippery slope there on on The open platform that is youtube Well, it's it's definitely for especially with younger children and they kids You know really like picking out what they want to watch right like I'll try to move It's like no you're not watching this like my daughter will shove my hand or grab my hand and push it out of the way because she wants to pick um And it's it's it's definitely something that I would remind any parent is that you definitely need to watch anything your kid watches Even if it is on youtube kids, you can't really assume It's usually it's now not as bad as it used to be before now It's just maybe one out of 20 used to be a one out of 10 videos That you're kind of scratch your head about and say man. I don't think this is appropriate Yeah, all right before we get out of here. I also want to ask darin about a story on wired From andy greenberg about benjamin delpy. Uh, benjamin delpy is a french government employee developer who Also in his spare time developed a tool called memey cats which can extract a windows password out of memory Uh, the wired article describes how when delpy was in moscow for a talk He came back to his hotel room after complaining about the internet connection to find a man with a black bag Uh with his hands on delpy's laptop And it was because of memey cats memey cats is is something that has been used in everything It was incorporated into not petia into bad rabbit All the malware has memey cats, but delpy didn't make it maliciously. He made it to Show and demonstrate Vulnerabilities in windows so that microsoft could fix them and you've actually had a chance to meet him this is this is a really interesting example of Of a hacker who is just doing something to show something and it has all kinds of consequences Yeah, and it's your typical story of you know hacker discovers a vulnerability They develop a proof of concept tool which eventually gets refined and refined And adopted by the mainstream And especially within the hacking community memey cats is one of your go-to tools because it literally just it takes all the Workout It used to be that you would have to extract a hash from a windows system and then put another computer with a powerful graphics card Cracking at the hash to give you the plain text password This you just run memey cat study xc with a couple of arguments and it just he says here's the plain text password But it only does that on machines that you're running with administrative privileges. So what uh, what? It's weird for me to call in benjamin. I know him as gentle kiwi his hacker name But what gentle kiwi? at gentle kiwi on twitter Developed this for was to demonstrate this weakness where if you're running an organization in a mismanaged way where your people have that Administrative access to those those machines That is an inherent vulnerability and micros and and this was only like a proof of concept Thing and to show microsoft like hey, there's a flaw in your one subsystem here microsoft acknowledges it and says Well, it's not that really that much of a flaw because by the time somebody could actually execute memey cats and do something useful with it You've got bigger problems Well, I thought that was that was a really interesting blind spot because Microsoft was thinking about it in a single machine situation like hey if somebody is able to use memey cats They already own your machine and what turned out to be so useful for other malware was like Yeah, and once I get in that machine if i'm on the network I can use that same vulnerability to get into other machines because it's based on That ability to share your credentials. So now i'm in this machine I could log into that other machine once i'm on that other machine Then I can own that machine and so on and so on and so on Yeah, the technique is called pivoting and it's essential to being able to you know maintain like an advanced persistent threat in an organization and typically You know what happens is you know You try to get a remote connection to a machine and one is none two is is one so you Try to get as many remote connections as possible So you you're always pivoting, you know and a low-hanging fruit situation to try to find your your your best way to Typically the domain controller or basically, you know the the kind of brains of the operation That has access to everything and funnily enough it's the it's the administrators that have that kind of access and What happens here because of the the sharing service the way that this The vulnerability that this takes advantage of is it means that if you compromise this computer? Yeah, you can get that user's password But you can also get any other user that is logged into this machine's password which in many cases A lot of it shops will use Windows remote desktop to provide text support so that the administrator can log into a machine remotely and control the mouse and keyboard And fix the problem. Well now from that machine. You've also got the administrative password. Yeah, and anybody else It's the kind of thing that microsoft even when he told them about it was like I don't think that's that big a deal and it took this demonstration to get them to Start to mitigate it such to the point that he now speaks at microsoft when they do their blue hat hacker events Uh, and and I think you know on the one hand you could look at this and say What a horrible person for making this tool that all these hackers use But the hackers are only using it because the vulnerability didn't get patched Yeah, well, it got it got worked around. I mean part of the reason is in the microsoft defense Because of the way that the system is built It's a tough problem to solve because it your password is encrypted on that system But it also has to keep the key somehow so that it knows how to decrypt that so they're both in memory It's akin to me emailing you a password protected zip file And me putting the password in the same email Yeah Hey, thanks everybody participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and our facebook group facebook.com Groups slash daily tech news show We've been getting a lot of interesting thoughts on ways that facebook could better handle the revenge porn system that it's testing out in australia Which I guess is one of the reasons you test it out instead of just rolling it out Let us start. Oh, it almost sounded like somebody had a train going on there. What was that? Uh, let's start uh by checking in with jimmy Hey dts this is jimmy from not ready for this cold minnesota. I had an idea for that facebook Revenge porn deal. What if they had a spot where you go to like facebook.revenge porn You upload your picture you blur out your naughty bits in your face and The people that would look would see the blurred out one, but the background image would still be The regular one for the computer to look at and set the Hashtag or whatever to not let that photo be seen. Love to hear what you guys think Okay, so that I mean If it were me and I was like, you know what I want to get in front of this whole thing You know email facebook. I would do this It makes a lot of sense. Well, someone else emailed and said well, wait a minute facebook doesn't allow nude photos So they probably have a system of machine learning that they're working on to identify nude photos and block them Couldn't you just say like hey anybody tries to post a picture with my face And it's got a naked body and it get rid of it or can't facebook just block all the nude photos from being posted That seems like the most reasonable Solution and you would think that that would already be in place. I mean, you know, there's a reason why there's You don't see pornography on youtube It's the same kind of deal because there's machine learning that has figured it all out and prevents it. Yeah Uh, what else we got sara? Well, we got an email from nick who says hello tom sara raja and darin On the subject of raja kuduri going to intel and apparently starting work on a pcie Graphics card, right? We talked about this um leaving from amd Raja made it clear in a public post that he had been burned at rtg. That's the radion technology group And he took a leave of absence worked himself to death. Yeah, right right several months back So to see him move on to another company Not totally unexpected, right? The nature of the graphics card industry is that intel and video amd all have crossed licensing agreements with each other And so nobody can develop graphics technology in a bubble really although intel is pat and poor in this area This is according to nick. Anyway, though intel will likely be able to license the Patents needed for invidia and amd without a legal battle just by amd's post stream as the three companies normally license patents to each other Yeah, and I as I do often do when people say stuff like this not because I don't believe them But because I want you guys to be able to have the resources I asked nick to send me some links to some of these statements So he's got amd's statement on separating rtg from the rest of amd's operations Yeah, he's got invidia cross licensing agreement. He's got rogers letter on an antech.com so all those links will be in the show notes as well and Nick pointed out in when he sent me those links that he gets a lot of this kind of good information from shows like pc perspective Which is a great show if you're really into hardware go check that out with Nathan shroud All right, uh, we We're missing len peralta today. He's out today. We're very sorry. They couldn't make it But he's got a bunch of stuff going on But he's still hard at work on the dts yearly poster at len peralta store dot com And you might be able to squeeze in And get your name on the poster if you order quick So head over to len peralta store dot com and check out that poster And maybe plop down a little money You'll get a copy of the poster and get your name on all of them It's a great way to show your sport of len and his art. Thank you daren kitchen for joining us. It's been so long It's so good to have you back man. It's been way too long. So we'll have to do this again sometime soon Yes, absolutely. If you stop globetrotten long enough, let us know Right, right? It's pretty fun If anybody watching is actually interested in doing a little demo for their organization with mimecats to kind of like You know open the purse rings for info sex stuff It's actually a really easy thing to do yourself just google hack 5 mimecats You'll find an episode from 2013 that's still applicable today hack 5 episode 1503 Or even there is we recreated the 15 second mr. Robot hack with uh with mimecats and uh usb rubber ducky So just google hack 5 mimecats and you'll see it all go check it out also insta correction Someone called me out and said apparently i called ryan shroud nathan It's only because i think of nathan filian and ryan shroud in the same, you know category But yes, i don't know what i said, but it's ryan not Nathan shroud pc perspective dot com. 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Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com You have enjoyed this program Ah Good show the show bon as they say in french Let's show bon That's the candy show Ah, right. Uh, hey, what do we have for title ideas? What's the orl for that? It is show bot dot tv We have uh, you can't stop the math when the math is outlawed only outlaws will use math Classics are just enjoying marcy day with great math comes response comes With great math come great responsibility. I think that comes great Great responsibility span bop revenge in youtube parentus youtube tuning in on the inappropriate video the dark side of youtube kids That's it What's the stamp on revenge? ryan shroud nathan shroud ryan hut you know when you saw that I was like, oh, there's probably a new but I did so I did say nathan You did yeah, but you know, you corrected yourself. Who is nathan shroud? That's not even a person I don't know. I don't know who that is tom. I hold myself to a very high standard here You combine nathan filian and ryan shroud. No, that's absolutely it. I just think of ryan shroud as the nathan filian of hardware Of a pc perspective. Yeah Uh, hey, um Our math outlaw is number one. Yeah one I still like the span bot Spam box revenge Yeah That's good too. I just I want to see the spam bot talk to another spam bot. You know, I just want to see that like continue on For infinity right right because the because the spammer will set up a bot and then the spam bot We'll talk to the spam bot and then they'll never stop talking Yeah, the idea being like, okay Well scammers are going to realize that there's all these bots that are like now You know posing as humans. So they'll kind of like use a scam bot To like weed them out and then and then escalate the like humans to kind of tier two scam support, you know What if this is a kind of adversarial learning though and eventually both bots Realize the the useful uselessness of their argument set aside their differences and team up to conquer us all Right because then they would they would be quite upset that they had been unleashed For such a Worthless task you have to monitor it and and look for the phrase wait. Why are we arguing and then Sound the alarm Well, what we could do is we could set up a bot to look for that phrase, but what if that bot All right spam bot revenge then several words I don't know. I just I think we've you already used the math outlawing um thing I mean, yes, we absolutely have many times over the years I mean, you wouldn't outlaw math, would you you wouldn't steal math would steal math You wouldn't steal a car. I remember actually seeing that and someone in the movie going I would I like that it used to be that we would we would steal a hash from a windows computer And then when you use lots of math to try to figure out the password behind it And then gentle kiwi is like but what if we just ask the computer to give us the password in plain text That's nicely it'll do it Actually, I just realized Like why is my head hurt because the hat is too tight This is it uh, oh, yeah, I hate that biggest hole Needed to be a little looser I must have gotten a fatter head since the last time I wore it Did you move your studio tom? I uh, I moved the basement room. Yeah. Oh, okay. So the fireplace is now in front of you the fireplace is there Oh, okay. Good. Okay. I understand where you are now. Yeah Which means the front door is to that way for you. Yeah So you just did this so you've got a quicker escape if you need you can just bolt for it I really did improve the feng shui because I moved the couch over there And now you walk in and you walk into the room instead of having to walk around the couch Coolio, I can't wait to see it in person irl Yeah, when you come down, I don't know. So I was going to tell roger. I'm I'm gone from Like the vast majority of december. So I don't know if I'm going to be able to do the other show um, I'll be In south africa for three weeks. So Go spring box After so it'd be the new year All right, next one we're getting down there. Are you going to get yes? You're not Yeah, what's gonna happen is I'm gonna get tired of this uh, this bay area winter And come down to la for some nice weather. There you go. Come on down What's gonna actually what's really gonna happen is I'm gonna spend all of december in south africa where and celebrate Christmas on the summer in the sun in the summer And then I'm gonna come back to the root awakening that is january and the bay and I'm gonna say forget this I'm going to la and then you're going to come down to la and go to warmer in south africa Yeah Ah christmas in south africa a traditional beach christmas Well, they really end up you can still dream of a white christmas. It's just white sands. Yeah And they've got penguins On the beach in south africa. They have penguins on the beach In capetown. That's amazing. Supposedly I've only I haven't been to capetown yet. So I want to go Play with penguins. They're probably not right. I don't I'm gonna I'm gonna win them over by bringing a copy of uh, red hat three on floppy One of them will be tux, you know Yeah, you know, he's just gonna waddle up to me and be like, oh, let's be friends Yeah, I imagine penguins being very cuddly. They're probably like spit in your face and bite you but Yeah, I don't know. No, I don't know. They're playful. I don't know if they're jerks. I don't think penguins are supposed to be, uh, aggressive Okay, no, they are We're not ignoring you we can just barely hear you Yeah, I don't know are you just not I don't know what you did I haven't done anything. Hello. Hello That's a little better How's that there? Let me crank it up in here. I I literally did not do anything. How's that? There you go. Now we can hear Can you hear me now? Yeah, I haven't touched anything. I don't know. Maybe you're uh, maybe you're Leaking air from your lungs possibly possibly Are uh, are any of you guys on a mac currently? Yes Who wants to know? okay, okay, the the person that just posted something in uh the btns slack Because as it turns out if you hold down, uh command and space to get your spotlight action on and you type just that Into spotlight and head enter you will be treated with ascii rendition of star wars What? Yeah, wait, what do you do? Just that Yeah, yeah, that's all you have to do For listeners at home, you don't have to open up a terminal first if you pull up spotlight with uh command space And you type in telnet colon forward slash forward slash towel dot blinkin lights dot nl Oh, I forgot. I think I may have done this before this sounds really familiar Yeah For all you windows users, you haven't had telnet since windows xp Strange things is always daunting, but it's fun Good for you I've been doing a bunch of security research for cross platform payloads. Um on the usb rubber ducky new book coming out This is the proof. Oh nice looking good. And uh, that's one of my favorite ones for the uh for the mac And then uh, and that's your point across quickly. It's like a payload It's like plug in a usb rubber ducky boom star wars. Oh my god. Yeah That could have been terrible and darin now owns your machine No, no, it's just this hacker space in the netherlands. Yeah, yeah I need to set up my own rendition of this. I need telnet to like demo dot hack five dot org with like I don't know recreate some moving ascii would be star wars No, that would be a violation of intellectual property It'll be our own movie called war stars I would call it conflict stellar conflict You know, there's like all of these adaptations of uh, you know mainstream properties especially like video games In a modern era, but I haven't seen a good adaptation of some classic games I'd like to see in asteroids Like hollywood blockbuster. Yeah, it literally would be a blockbuster Yeah blocks of asteroids It was a last star fighter Telnet towel dot blinken lights dot nl That's been around for a while. I think right At least 10 years. I feel like I did this at sea net That's why I think you're right. It's been around As it turns out spotlight only, um, supports a couple of, uh, uri schemas So like I think it's telnet colon slash slash smb colon slash slash afp http https and a few others Trying to find the ones that work on both windows and mac Do tell net Then I got really bummed out that they pulled telnet out of windows It's the end of an era Yeah, I thought that way when they told the command prompt out Still there Just replaced it with power shell. Yeah. Yeah, I obviously what you mean dawg. Oh, yeah, you're right It used to be they could type in command dot com and get daws as opposed to cmd.exe or com That was actually Yep Yep, yep, yep As not to let the the windows listeners off the hook They can hit windows key r and type in tree and hit enter Ribbon tree com which is not a website Tree is probably the best command in all of, uh, the history of daws That's my favorite version of windows windows tree point one For work groups, yes Was there any other kind? Uh All right, uh, thank you all for watching go vote do your civic duty Let us know what our holiday special should be and we will talk to you again on monday for everyone