 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, Adam, Justin, and myself have some fun conversation for the first, I don't know, 30 minutes of our intro. We talk about nature versus nurture. Who wins? Yeah. Who wins? How important is each of them? We talk about the importance of hard work to realize your genetic potential. You know, we know a lot of genetically gifted individuals, both physically and intellectually, but they're so lazy that they're idiots. We talk about challenges with the educational system and what is not being taught. And then we talk about the cost-benefit analysis of college. In some cases, it's totally worth the money. In other cases, it's not worth the money at all. 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I've told you guys that before. I don't have the... I don't have it. Which is weird because you think kids like me who were in church their whole lives and my mom used to hit me upside the head if I wasn't singing. So you actually tried for a long period. Yeah, for a long period. That might be it, though. What did you say? You got hit in the head a lot. Right, right. That might be the reason. That or it could be me slightly revolting. Like, okay, she didn't make me sing. I'm just going to be awful. Awful. Amazing grace. How sweet the sound. All right, so that's you pretending... Hold on. That's me being good. That's you pretending to sound bad. That's me bringing the heat. Now I want you to sing. Bring the heat. Now I want you to try to be good. That was me trying to be good. It doesn't get better than that. Kill off, bro. I don't have it. So I think that's part of it. I think my mom always was making us sing. Well, there's a nature and nurture thing with talent. There's definitely a genetic component. And then there's something that you can train. And your genetic component, I believe... You have potential. Yeah, it gives you a range, right? Certain directions. Like over here is the worst that you can get with your genetic potential. And over here is the best. And your potential is just... It's not that good, right? So you can reach your upper potential. Yeah, I could get... Right, quickly. Oh, 100%. It's like me playing golf or, you know, playing basketball. Right, I think that... I think this applies to everything. We talk about this with building muscle and stuff like that. Like, we all have like this... And I believe this with intelligence, too. I believe some people are just fucked, bro. It's true. I believe their fucking ceiling is just... It's just epigenetic gifts. Yeah, just give it. It doesn't matter, dude. You're just... This is your peak, you know? And I think everyone peaks at... But I also think what's beautiful about life and how things all work out is people tend to... If you lack some... Everyone has their strengths, right? Like it doesn't whether it be... And you can look at this in so many different ways. Everything from the way you look to your intelligence, to your skeletal structure, to your ability to play music, like all these things. But you know what's crazy about that is there's so many other factors that are also genetic or also nurture. So what I mean... Or nature, excuse me. So what I mean by that is... Or nurture again. What I mean by that is let's say you have... Your potential... Let's say it's zero to 100. 100 being you're like the best in the world. Zero being you're the worst in the world. And let's say we're looking at your ability to play basketball. And let's say you're up... The top score that your genes will ever allow you to have with all cylinders firing, perfect training, perfect diet, perfect everything is 75. Let's say that's your upper limit. Now, what also goes into that is what about your genetic propensity for hard work? Right, right. So not only... Absolutely. Not only do you have a genetic propensity for talent, but then you have a genetic propensity for your ability to focus and work hard. And then there's so many other factors that go into there. And when you put that into perspective, I think that most people don't ever reach their genetic potential in any of those categories, because very few people have that work ethic to actually push to those limits. Well, they're only drawn to the ones they immediately find as being, oh, this is easy for me. And I believe... This is also why I love sports, because I think sports are one of the greatest expressions of when genetic potential and hard work meet when you look at the professional athlete, you know, because it doesn't matter how much I played basketball, I'll never be as good as LeBron James. I don't have the genetic potential. Plus, he probably worked every bit as hard as I did, if not ten times more, right? So I think that that's why I love sports so much, is when you look, especially nowadays, when you look at the athletes, it's so competitive that you just can't be like pretty good and get there. You had to have not only... I totally feel it's like both now. If you look at professional athletes, yeah. Every now and then you'll see a guy that you know just worked his ass off to get there and he doesn't genetically look like he belongs, you know? But at the same time, you know that motherfucker was in there just busing his ass every single second, devoted his entire life to that one thing. You know what I mean? That's what it took. And my point is that we place a lot of value on that genetic potential because it becomes more evident at the extremes. However, you know how many people there are out in the world with extreme genetic gifts that never play in the NBA, that never, you know... They're never exposed to it. That never do anything brilliant because they're also lazy fucks or maybe they have bad circumstances, maybe they don't believe in themselves, maybe... Like I've met, I'll tell you what, you know, I've managed, I don't know how many people have, you know, running businesses and I've seen more extremely talented people who never succeeded than I did people who weren't talented who succeeded very well. I also think this is what makes incredible teachers and separates them as the ones that have this ability to see this in kids and to be able to encourage that and pull that out of them at an early age because that's another thing too. You help them realize it. They're perfect Justin. Sometimes these people have these genetic potential and they just weren't exposed to it. You didn't even know. I mean, I use the example all the time of the swimming thing with me was I didn't even know. I didn't know that I could be good at that. I just had no idea. I didn't understand the difference in mechanics behind body types and the things that I got teased for actually could have been an advantage to me towards the sport. There was a perfect example to this guy that I played high school football with and he didn't play with us until his senior year really. The whole time I played basketball with him. He was 6-7 and he was long, lanky, but really athletic. I'm like, dude, you have to play football. You would be an amazing wide receiver and then my other friend finally convinced him to try out. He tried out and he made it. Dude, it was so easy for him. We would just throw it long to him, touchdown, almost every time. And then he got recruited to UCLA, Cal Poly and he just didn't have the work ethic. No work ethic. All of a sudden, now he's in a pool of everybody else that are like having the same genetic gift but they work their ass off at the same time. That we're sleeping with a football next to their pillow when they were 5. Yeah. And here's always that too. And here's a thing when it comes to physical genetic gifts, they can display themselves in pretty specific ways. When you talk about intelligence, intelligence is such a broad category that is so complex that, I mean, I firmly believe that most people have a range of what they can achieve with their intellect that is much wider and broad than what someone could reach with athleticism. Do you see what I'm saying? Because I feel like it's so, it's so much more complex. I think, you know how many kids there are out there. What are you saying? You're saying that what? When it comes to intellect. Oh, with intellect you think it's so much more different. It's just broad. It's so broad in the sense that there's so many factors that come into, you know, that can come into play with somebody's... Well, I think it's less of that and more that there's different types of intelligence, right? Like, when you say intelligence, that really umbrella's a lot of different things like somebody can be... Well, what I mean by that is I'll be more specific. It's genetically gifted to be a bodybuilder or genetically gifted to be a football player or a baseball player or a basketball player. In many cases, it's pretty specific and pretty evident. It can be evident pretty easily. When it comes to intellect, many times... Oh, that's what you mean. It's so broad. It's very deceiving. Like, you don't know, like, by looking at something. And they're only measuring it by, like, these very specific types of tests that feed to one type of intelligence. There's a lot of physical talent on somebody. You can't see that. Like, sports, you're right. That's very physical, right? You can look at somebody and say, oh, I bet he's pretty... Sometimes you can just look at someone and have a good guess, I'm saying. Just because you're tall doesn't mean you're a basketball. With sports, I think you can make an educated guess. Most people that understand the body types. Well, dude, do you know how many... Musicians, you wouldn't know that. You wouldn't know that, like... Think that they're stupid. They literally think that they're dumb, because maybe they have... Either someone told them that, or, look, I'll use myself as an example, and I'm not, by any means, stretch of the means, brilliant, whatever. But I do love learning. I love reading. I would say that I'm more of an intellect than someone who's athletic. But school, to me, was so unmemorable. It was such a... It was such a... It wasn't even... It wasn't a bad experience. It just was a nothing experience. So I had no idea that I enjoyed a lot of these things because what I connected with smarts was school, and because school, to me, was fucking boring and unmemorable. And, dude, my girlfriend, who's extremely intelligent, reads quite a bit, we have these great discussions, she hated school. She hated it to the point where she told me, she's like, when I was a kid, I thought I wasn't smart. And I'm like, did you pay attention? And I said, well, yeah, it was, again, you weren't stimulated, you had no idea. You know how many kids are out there like that? Or how many kids who are... have dyslexia or some other thing that may give them a challenge, and now they believe to themselves that they're just not smart. Some of them turn into entrepreneurs and become successful and learn it later on. Some of them don't. Do you think more often than not, it's something that happened to them in childhood that sets them on a trajectory to forever like kind of nurture? I agree. To this day, I think if it wasn't for me being put in advanced English class by a teacher who had me who saw something in me that I didn't see, that would have forever been a disability of mine. Something that I just laugh at and don't think it's a big deal that I fuck up sentences and do things like that was the same way that she treated it with me was that you have this ability to express yourself in words like, you're making kids in this class you should be in an advanced class and although I have my shit all marked up and read because grammatically I was all over the place my ability to take what's in my mind and put it on a piece of paper was advanced and that stuck with me forever that I wasn't gonna allow because if I remember before that I remember being beat up getting marked down all the time and feeling like I'm stupid like I just can't get this and she made me feel making me look at it like those are minor details like most people can't get out of their mind and put it on paper you're great at that and so she pressed that I forever kept that with me and that's forever for me who I am and not made that something that's a major in security like I didn't have anybody reaching out like that for me growing up but I had people doing the opposite saying that they all assumed I was just gonna go into like a trade school and construction and that was it and my brother was the academic and that was gonna be the case and that is the sole only reason I went to college to prove them wrong like literally that was it that was my entire motivation I hated school dude I hated it but I just was like I wanted to prove a point that I could do something that people believe I can't well dude think about it this way like so I was listening to music the other day while I was working out and what's that rock song and at the end of it it's like this was a rock day for you it wasn't a chill day what's that song at the end of it like you know no more books dirty looks and at the end of it it's like school's been blown for a summer yes that one was it Alice Cooper actually there's been several songs where they sing about how shitty school is I don't remember XS I don't want to go to school today we don't need no education and you talk to kids and it's accepted it's actually it not only is accepted it's expected that a kid is gonna say I don't like school I hate school and I was having this conversation the other day with Jessica where we were talking about this you have all these kids who hate school to the point where they sing songs about it it's like a thing that we all expect and what do parents tell their kids it's just something you gotta do whatever okay how shitty is that how fucking shitty is that how shitty is that kids view school to the point where it's kind of rare if a kid likes it and most of them don't like it how shitty of a job are we doing and how much potential is being wasted because school really is designed to to kind of service the middle so they're like they're good at kind of the middle average and if you're anywhere on the ends it's a shitty experience if you're really smart schools terrible kids hate it they're fucking bored they don't like it many of which become disenfranchised and never reach can never reach their full potential especially if they have an environment at home especially they don't have they don't have the money to put them in like a private school and get extra education for them or push them in other directions or even know that they have the freedom or to learn what they want to they don't even know that they don't even know that that's a thing you know I'm saying a lot of kids are like they don't even understand it because I know a lot of kids who don't necessarily do well in school but you talk to them about a subject they're into and they're fucking brother things that you guys both do for your kids that like to try and promote that like finding what you love and encouraging them to be passionate about what it is and learning about it even if it's not fucking math or you know social studies and how do you guys do that definitely so if my kids show an interest in something then I definitely try to foster it and I don't discourage it so like if my kids are if one of my kids is really into Legos or really into whatever then I'll try and foster that I'll provide them with the exposure you know I'll take them places where they could see stuff that has to do with it we'll talk about it we'll watch videos together that kind of stuff the other thing too is I also like to tell my kids if they do something like they do a good job with school I don't tell them how smart they are I typically talk about how hard they've worked or I can see that you really enjoy the subject only because I want I don't want them to identify with being smart or dumb I want them to identify with the effort just working hard yeah the effort they put because the reality is life at some time you got an A son oh you're really smart it's not you're really smart it's all man you must have worked really hard for that or if I know he's not working really hard at it because there are things that like my kid my son for example math is just easy for him so when he gets an A on math I don't tell him I can tell you worked hard because I know he didn't I'll tell him like I can tell you really like math like I can really see that you like math because I want to I don't want I don't want what I don't want is my kids to encounter a challenge later in life and then all of a sudden be challenged and it challenged their identity of being smart and then they just don't want to do it right I go wait I thought I was smart and I was as hard which probably happens to a lot of people it does absolutely it does it does so it's it's it's kind of shitty but yeah I mean we were talking a lot about this because one of my friends this has a two year old and they were talking about homeschooling and two friends that were really really really in the whole I don't know if you guys are familiar with this but homeschooling has exploded over the past decade or so like exploded it used to be something that you know you know super hyper religious people did or people with kids who are you know whatever you know the stereotype is weird or whatever now you're getting a really intelligent people who are putting together their kids and for mate their their kids education you know kind of piece by piece rather than sending them to one central area because they're seeing way better well let's be honest and I know I'm gonna offend some teachers out there but I mean it's because the schools are doing such a bad job at it people are finally going like fuck I could do that I know I'm working full time but fuck I could do a better job at teaching my kid what he needs to know to get him ready for life and I bet you that's what's propelled that the passion really and the ability sometimes right and it's easier now right I mean back when I was homeschooled as a kid that was like you know we had all these books and then once once a month we had to meet and do like now you can just everything can be downloaded to computer uploaded to an iPad and you could there's probably courses that you could teach them right through there they just tutorials and go through I bet they've really simplified it that a lot of people there's a lot of resources now right out there and it's crazy though because it's starting to kill the funding for public schools because public schools the way they get paid they'll get paid when kids show up so they get X amount of dollars so I know here in California if I'm not mistaken I could be wrong it's I believe the average is around 10 to 12 thousand dollars per school year per student so if a kid goes to school here in California that school that public school receive in funding between I believe I'm I don't know if I'm 100% correct I think it's 10 to 12 thousand dollars per year so if that kid doesn't go to that school they lose that funding and what's happening right now is you get a lot of parents who are taking their kids and either putting them in private schools or taking their kids and homeschooling both of which those markets are both exploding you see them start to really really take off and I think it's because people are starting to see like again like if your kids hate school like really hate it like this some something's not right you know there imagine if you were doing something I mean as adults we wouldn't we wouldn't put up with that really would you would you put up with that imagine if every day I don't know dude I mean I think that part of that is what trains people to also get stuck in these careers where they stay for 20 years and they fucking hate their job they're miserable but they have to do it right I kind of present both with that like as far as and I know like you definitely want to foster what the passions are and like you can kind of see like where they gravitate towards that and you kind of give them tools in that direction but at the same time there's tasks that need to be done there's things that need to be accomplished and you know you have an assignment and there's a deadline to that assignment and so you know I'm just reiterating the fact that real life is this you know and this is something that you're gonna have to consider you know going through this process is gonna be times where you don't like it is it is the doing these types of projects I'm working with certain people but guess what that's another learning experience that you need to be exposed to especially you know the social element there as far as like all the different types of personalities and like I've already had a lot of conflict issues that we've had to deal with you know with my oldest like with with other kids and oh really so you know it's that's a big myth though there's a big myth about the social the whole socialization by the way you don't socialize kids you socialize dogs but the whole socialization myth that if they if they if they go to school they're gonna get better socialized and be around a lot more kids here's where the schools make a big mistake when kids go to school they're put in a classroom with a bunch of kids the same age right it the what's it's far better if kids are around older kids younger kids who are more mature and can yeah studies will show that bullying actually occurs at a much lower rate when you have that because older kids believe or not start to kind of act like big brother big sister to the younger kids they start to mentor you start to see this more often when it's all mixed up that's also real life real life is not I'm gonna be with a bunch of people you know the same the same age here's the other thing too is when I look at education in particular centralized planning education like public schools they're so fucking slow to move with the times it's almost it's almost comical like Mike like I've seen Mike I've seen kids are learning cursive they're learning cursive in elementary school why the fuck are you spending any time on cursive now if I'll do calligraphy to all right now if a child is showing you know my opinion is if a child is showing real interest and enjoyment in learning cursive well okay then that I can see that then learn something like artistically yeah but these kids are being forced to do something that they will not only never use but it's a complete fucking waste of time cursive they're learning how to memorize I understand learning math and stuff like that but this whole memorization of you know you know times tables and this that and the other the reality is you how like do we need to like do we need to learn how to track ourselves through the wilderness I know that's a very important skill if you're lost in the wilderness but the reality is in modern life is any of us ever really gonna honestly ever use that no so that we don't learn that why are they teaching kids all this shit that in five or six or ten years what you're basically gonna need to be good at is how to retrieve information because now all these other things do it for you how to be creative and how to navigate this this kind of society right kids don't learn finance they don't learn loans they don't learn credit they don't learn return on investment I think that's a big mistake when they don't do that in fact I remember a lot of I had a lot of resentment to with my family because they didn't share that stuff with me like I didn't share you know debt and how important this was I I mean I got the typical speech that I think every parent gives their 17 year old before they get all the credit cards come in the mail like oh you shouldn't get credit cards like that to me that was stupid advice like that was like the advice the total the extent of the advice from my parents was oh you shouldn't don't get credit cards don't get yourself in debt like that's it like well what about building credit yeah what about because if you don't have any credit like that and I and that ended up hurting me when I bought my house I bought my house I had impeccable credit problem was I only had one credit card that I've had going for like one year and they looked at me they're like you need four credit lines in the Bureau for you to get this house and because of that I had I had to take a higher interest rate on my on my loan had I been responsible and just opened up a couple cards used them paid him off using paid him off I mean the reality is you had no debt you were paying everything off right it fucked you right same thing right same thing for me it was exact same thing no I had because I had no education on it nobody taught me you know I would the extent of my education on things like credit was don't do it don't you guys so silly one thing that you know I remember expressing this to my wife some bit we're talking about like education and thinking about how over the decades like you have sort of elders you have like people with actual real wisdom you know that you can always go to I feel like like we just don't retain wisdom the same way anymore we're reliant like way too much on searching and navigating through these tools and Google's and everybody else to tell us where this wisdom comes from I think it's different I think it's a different kind of wisdom like you know you still need the wisdom to know how to navigate you still have the wisdom to know how to utilize sure all these things combine them I just think it's different I mean you know nobody has the wisdom today of like you know prehistoric man you know about ten thousand years ago but we still have a different kind of wisdom because if you took a prehistoric man and put him in today's life you know they wouldn't be able to navigate right you know modern life I gave this so I had this talk with my son I just worry when like all systems fail you know I mean where we're sure sure that's that's the paranoia I sometimes have you know of course so I so I mean look not that long ago a man would need to know how to build something from scratch a home from scratch today people are specialized somebody knows how to build the foundation of the person knows how to build the structure and then this person knows how to do the sheet rock and then this person does the tile this person's air conditioning electricity and so we have much more complex homes that are better that are more efficient you know all that stuff and that's just part of human intelligence is that what makes humans so powerful is not that we have this super intelligent brain it's that we build upon past intelligence so you know today I don't have to learn you know physics I don't have to discover physics from the beginning till now I learn what everybody's known and I try to build upon that I had this talk recently with my son where we sat down and we were talking about college because adding to algorithms yeah exactly I was sitting down with my son and we were talking about college because right now we're looking at you know a couple years you'll be going to high school and so I started talking college with them and so I laid this out for him I said okay I said I'm gonna show you two scenarios and I want to show you I want to explain to you what return on investment looks like and what this means because what's being hammered into kids by the way part of the reason why I think we're on this crazy student loan bubble one of the things that we've hammered into kids is that an education is so valuable that it doesn't fucking matter just get it doesn't matter how much cost right so I sat down with them I said okay let's imagine you graduate high school and you're 18 years old now I'm gonna split you into two you know here you are 18 years old you graduate high school and you decide not to go to college here you're 18 and you decide to go to college let's start to add this up and make it and see what it looks like over here you didn't go to college however you know what you want to do and you work towards building or creating a lifestyle for yourself based on a passion you have let's say you want to become an electrician so I showed him this is how much and I looked it up this is how much you would earn learning how to be an electrician with apprenticeship this is how many years it would take you to be full time this is the average pay now you know over the course of 10 years by the end of 10 years you might be making about this much now let's go over here let's say you go to college and you get a PhD in art history and I use that an example because it's obvious art history PhD it's gonna take you 12 years the amount of debt that you're gonna accumulate during that period of time is probably gonna be you know $100,000 or more now you're you know 28 years old or whatever $100,000 in debt the average art history major makes this much and I'm showing him and I'm showing him because I want him and I use other examples I said doctor, lawyer, you know computer engineer and I use all these different examples I said can you see now with the current cost of an education how in some cases it's very worth it and in other cases it's not worth it at all in fact it actually costs you way more money than what you get out of it and it's really started to make sense to him and he says well what if I really like art history and I said you could still learn it you would just not invest $100,000 in debt and learning it you would use all the free resources that we have today to be able to learn those things and I think nobody has this conversation with their kids and I think it's terrible because you always because student loans are easy to get they're really fucking easy to get and there's always they make them that way they make them that way because you know possible to get out of well politicians say we want to help education so we're gonna give all these subsidies and make it and tell the banks they have to give these loans out and tell the banks if they default you can't even claim bankruptcy can you no and what ends up happening as a result of it is you get all this easy money all these people who think education means everything regardless of what they learn and what they get out of it and now you have all this free money all these universities trying to collect this money and it's no wonder the cost of education is exploded to ridiculous rates but this is where I think a lot of the problems are and to be honest with you I think it's all gonna change it's gonna be disrupted totally yeah I don't think we have an option it's about time it's just wait dinosaur formula that Apple Amazon and Google are on their way with all that stuff I truly believe that I mean it just makes sense as a company too that if you I mean I don't know how many I don't know if Doug can Google this how many total employees work for a company like Amazon or Google or Facebook or any of those but when you start getting up in the tens of thousands of employees it's worth your time to probably build a university its own little country that is solely based around your company where it's doing currently what it's doing in the future and educating the young minds on how they can be a valuable asset to that and I think companies will invest in it and that's where in fucking it's gonna shake things up big time not only that because it's such a competitive market when you try and work in tech it's so competitive they make so much money because it's so competitive and there's not enough talent to to imagine a brainwashing and propaganda as I'm going through you know like Amazon you do you know how this is case check this out my my niece is a recruiter for Facebook she was a recruiter for Google before she's moving out she's taking off to New York next month to live out there and help start up another one of their recruiting headquarters and some kind of asking her details of how big those normally either normally between 50 to 150 employees in these hubs and they're in all the major cities right New York Seattle LA whatever and so what they what they do is their entire job is to find these other people on from Amazon Google and basically poach all these people and they're competing with them and it's a struggle for them but they have a whole building dedicated just defining these people that have this level of education experience in this arena and field if they're spending that much money already on things like that what makes you think they're not thinking about your investment about this way if you're Google or Amazon or Netflix or whoever and you're exploding you go and by the way it's it's not hard to see in high schools who's already gifted and who wants to do this kind of stuff you can go to robotics tournaments you could go to engineering classes you could talk to teachers what if they went to these kids and said hey I know you just graduated high school and you want to go to whatever university here's what we want to do we're going to pay you and for the next two years not only are you going to get paid but we're going to teach you the following skills and give you these certifications and then you're going to have an opportunity to work for us how many kids do you think would fucking jump on that especially low-income kids especially kids who show a talent for this kind of stuff who can't afford to go to college who might need to make money right now right it would be so smart and I guarantee you that's that's going to happen I guarantee you that's going to happen I guarantee you and the university are just they're fucking ruining it for themselves they really are there they have no idea how bad they're going to take a hit in the next 20 years or if they do they're just they're like blockbuster they're like blockbuster when you know netflix started coming out they're totally blind and pretending like they're going to be around forever but I'm sorry man in 2018 when you're going to when I'm taking your class that's costing me a shit ton of money and on top of it I have to buy a book that's $300 this is bullshit right you know it's a fucking racket right what do you got we got we're open up a box before yeah we got thrive market box for 2018 bring on the goodies have we as anybody looked into getting something for all this thrive stuff that we're starting to accumulate like a pantry thing well we have a closet nope we have a closet but we're but we should we're using most of it though yeah I'll eat the fuck out I've been okay so this is a little bit different box today we travel a lot and I end up cooking sometimes so this is really for me and for you and for me so here's the thing about cooking healthy food you know it's all about flavor right so it makes something taste good yeah I have some ideas here that we're going to have when we travel it starts with some red boat fish sauce okay what is that I've never used fish sauce pass that over here is that the stuff that they that you get like in a Vietnamese restaurant where they dip like egg rolls and stuff so it's like salty it's salty it's used in Vietnamese cooking it's used in Thai cooking okay that's right Southeast Asian cooking hey baby give me some of that fish sauce fish sauce so I love Asian flavors personally we know you do in many ways you don't say so here's some toasted sesame oil toasted sesame oil selected boy they have some really unique stuff here man this is like stuff that you normally have to go to like a specialty store to go find yeah you have to go to Asian market often times right right right right most regular supermarkets do have a Asian aisle but you know this is less expensive here's some Thai kitchen red curry paste oh that's spicy did you so because Thrive Market has these products they're all non GMO and probably better off better right yeah I it looks like they've sourced really good products here now this one's called mother-in-law gochujang I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly but it's a fermented chili paste it's a Korean paste it's excellent hey Justin I saw your mother-in-law's gochujang yesterday talk about me anyway I use this a lot when I cook I'm excited for what you're going to whip up for you know what I feel like this is you're putting together the recipe for those Brussels sprouts that I really liked over in LA oh yeah wasn't that all this oh yeah yeah the ones the ones that we had at that one place what was it called oh that's right I wanted to recreate those that's what we're going to eat when we go to the expo no I got some peanut butter this is Thrive Market brand bring me some back oh good it's great for peanut sauce oh peanut butter very nice so you can see where I'm going with this I'm going like chicken saute with that yeah Thai peanut butter dude I can't do chicken satsa anymore what's wrong with you native forest we got some coconut milk oh that's the one that I used to make my weight gainer shakes with yeah that's straight up that exact brand yep and that's a ton of medium chain triglycerides that's organic we also got Thai kitchen organic coconut milk I'm going to compare the two mm-hmm got a few cans of that all right dang Doug went off yeah you did dude he wants to cook he's ready and then I noticed that Thrive Market this is off topic a little bit they have their own jerky brand so I thought let's give her a try dude you might want to keep why don't you keep those in the box there yeah Adam and Justin started eating it during the war I didn't even get any of the last one you guys fucking scarfed all the jerky down I don't feel bad at all the jerky and the nuts don't last but a day or two around you guys I jerky my nuts all day yeah but how much is left of those things Justin was fucking drinking them dude he opened the bag and he was just pouring him down his throat you open the gullet that's why I want to put in the pantry dude he's about unhinge and poor he's about to create a bunch of mouth noises on the podcast you know people love mouth noises they won't even know he moved the mic around at all this quaz brought to you by OrganiFi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge try OrganiFi totally risk free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I OrganiFi.com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout alright first up is from Diary of a Fit Guy hey it's our boy which Insta-famous fitness celebrity do you think actually embodies the fitness lifestyle the best and what would you advise him to do to stay relevant and successful wow I have no idea that's a really hard question super tough who's doing it well I will say this I will say you know part of what we saw as far as the blue waters right in this arena you gotta explain blue waters first so blue waters just means that everybody in business when something is poppin like podcasting is getting more popular right so it's becoming shark infested right lots of fish a lot of people and they're fighting over similar type of topics like there's probably a hundred Keto podcast now there's probably a hundred muscle building type of podcast so it's becoming shark infested so it's becoming red bloody waters so finding your blue water is finding an area that is untapped or that you don't have a ton of sharks in already so I think when we first came into this space something that we all agreed on that was needed was some way of entertaining people with education together because there was a huge division when we came in we felt we felt like we could be wrong but it was like academia and bros right exactly it was one or the other was either you had this entertaining side the sex appeal side in just funny comical with not a lot of content to back it up or a lot of really good solid information or you have podcasters which are a lot of our friends that are very intelligent that you know put out incredible information but not everybody wants to tune into a podcast and just feel like they're going to school every single time they tune in some people want to you know casually listen and I feel like that is a was a major formula for our success and I also think that it will be continue to be a formula for future success for us and I think you'll see more and more people model that now who do I think is killing it in the insta famous world right now because the way I look at it is somebody who's crush and I'm we say insta famous so I'm gonna use Instagram as an example people who are when I say crushing it in Instagram I mean half a million to a million followers or more like because there's a lot of good people with 100,000 followers but I but the people really killing it half a million to a million and so far I've seen nobody and now that doesn't mean I haven't seen everybody right but from what I've seen I've seen nobody who I think is really exemplifying the right message with fitness and health I think that well how about someone like Ben Pekolsky I think Ben Pekolsky is he that big fuck yeah half a million followers oh I don't know if he's a half that's what I mean I mean I'm talking about the people with like you know he's he's considered in the in the fitness space he's he's famous enough bro the guys of pro body bill he's been on the Olympia he's got a huge business but the point I was gonna make is like that I'm talking about the Instagram pages half a million million two million three million followers what they tend to do really well as Instagram listen to the question the question is asking who do we who do we think that's insta famous that we think is doing a good job or putting out the right message not who we don't think is pretty well what do we mean by insta famous he kind of made his name before social media I think it's just his way of saying famous like you know it's just a way of saying famous somebody's up there yeah right and Ben Pekolsky would be considered if you get over 100,000 followers you're insta famous the average Jane or Joe doesn't build more than a couple thousand people following the mean if you're really popular right so anything I think anything over 10,000 could be considered that right so who do we think is doing that really well in our space I think Ben has a really good message and I think that a lot of what he talks about resonates with me now I think if he's going to continue to do well continue explode I think where he's different from us is the entertaining side I think there he's he has a lot less focus on that and I think that's okay I think he can have a very successful business and I think that will he'll continue to thrive no doubt I think we have a lot of our ambition is to break into break into the larger market which is outside of fitness like we don't want to just talk to people that only care about fitness and want fitness facts every single day we want to actually help the average Jane or Joe somebody who you know enjoys the entertainment factor of the business and then oh by the way these smart guys give me bits of information that we're going to help me live a healthier life you know what's unfortunate is when I think of like mega like fitness celebrities like the people that the average Jane or Joe would know because the average Jane or Joe would have no idea who Ben Pekulski is or mine pump or any of these other people the ones that everybody knows of like the real big famous people I don't know can you guys think of any of them that are really putting out good stuff because I don't I can't really think of any right I'm really racking my brain right now to kind of come up with some examples but when you say insta famous the immediate like thing I think of are like the only people that are like super well known either are known by their super intense like crazy types of exercises that they display constantly they look insanely good or they are showing a lot of skin or you know like I don't know I guess like I mean Amanda Bucci on some level she's like pretty famous on that level and like is kind of redirecting her message you know in the right direction I think I guess would be an example for me but you know anyway sort of on that level as far as like the new wave right the new wave of these people are becoming more popular amongst like social media it's tough like that yeah what we need is we need somebody or people who are in Louis House who have he counts as you know yeah we need people who have a really good message who go big big mainstream because the mainstream message with fitness is still terrible it really is it's still really really bad when you get up to that level it's still the Gillian Michaels of of although Gillian Michaels recently like if you look at some of the stuff she talks about she has but you're still not getting a great message now whose fault is that I mean I blame the consumer at the end of the day the consumer they don't know what they don't know so they just like you know the sweat they like the burn they like the high intensity the fun they like the sexy and so that's what they give their money to and that's to grow and become bigger and people with really good information who are saying the right things they don't sell it as well they just typically don't sell it even ourselves I think we struggle with this I mean we're getting constantly hounded by our marketing team that you know we need to simplify simplify even after we've simplified even after we've tried to simplify things as much as possible and we're like well we don't want to dumb it down or we don't want to make it to where it's doesn't make or it's so simple that you lose the science behind it right but so that's even a challenge for us is like how do we how do we continue to provide great information and still break out of just the fitness you know little pond and get into the get into the masses without devaluing our message right by oversimplifying it so that's definitely a challenge I think those that are that are like you know it's the famous or famous on social media right now I think if it was if it's based off of things like looks and cool videos that you do and things like that I think it's short-lived I think they won't be around for five years from now and you know and I'm talking about the like it works with the current format the page half the ways the dev and physiques the those type of people I think that there if they don't if they don't learn or continue to educate themselves in the field that they're making most their money because I'm not saying that those people can't go be successful like a hundred percent those people could pivot and end up doing some multi-level marketing which I think dev and physique is doing now I do some MLL thing and make a fuck ton of money but if you're going to be in the fitness space and you're insta famous right now and you got there off of booty pics or off of fucking cool videos or look at me I can do this funny cool shit I think that you will come you'll become a slave to that same thing and you'll have to continue to provide that forever and I think most people that wears on and I think we saw an example that when we were hanging out with Bradley down there for the weekend you could tell that how much that is wearing on him that he is you could tell that much more than you know his popular right back all that all those types of like gimmick stuff that you know you kind of like has to like do these crazy feats to sort of give it to them they want that entertainment yeah and I think there's I think there's like a double-edged sword when some of these people go viral right or get get famous really fast because something that was good for us it took a really long time to really get a lot of traction from mine pump and we were very clear on our message and our vision and I think that's helped us the fact that we didn't grow fast I think if we explode if we put some video out already and it just exploded right away then maybe we were tempted to keep doing right you're tempted to keep doing that worked right oh let's just keep doing that working right where we had to rely on okay you know getting better as podcasters getting better interviewer getting better interviewees you know doing things like that that has actually just continued to build value in the show so you know who I think is starting to do kind of does a good job of bringing like good fitness information forward now I don't I don't listen to Joe Rogan religiously I respect the guy things great interviewer but I've seen you know every once in a while listen to his episodes and he's done a decent job bringing unknown people right on his show like Rhonda Patrick more popular Chris Cressor was on was on his show too that's a great example you know that's a good yeah he seems to be you know kind of bringing these people on who are talking about health and wellness and fitness differently than the old mainstream yeah you know I think that's a great example I think Joe I think and he's I mean fuck he's the Oprah fucking podcast you know I'm saying like you're talking and he's going he has a good knowledge base already but yeah you're right he does seek out like it's a very intelligent very intelligent bro he's going kind of mainstream I don't know what I was watching the other day and it might have been it was the movie bright it was there you go yeah it was just bright it was he came in Netflix just I mean that they were showing where's it at where's it at now was like at 17 million or 10 million 12 million where is it at views already that have watched that now see him on there like and they put him in oh dude yeah cuz he they were they were watching their computer or whatever so Joe Rogan was in this kind of mainstream ish movie or whatever and he's going kind of mainstream podcast so it's good thing and you know I like Rogan's message for the most part talks about all kinds of different things but he's bringing some of these people to lie I really think what it's gonna take is this to find the right combination of entertainment mass appeal and good information and communication ability is that's like finding a unicorn yeah I think what it's gonna take is the people who have the ability to have that appeal and to communicate well need to be the ones to introduce these super smart people Rogan's kind of doing that we hope to do that right as well and I see that being I think you're gonna see a lot of things shake up and change over the next five to ten years with like think about like the booty pigs and the cool imagery or the people that Photoshop to get them to look at the transformation pictures like a lot of people got a lot of traction off of gimmicks and bullshit like that that right now it's Instagram was so new and these fucking badass iPhones and all the abilities that we have with Photoshop all these things are relatively new technology right so I think that as that kind of gets old it's like I've seen that already I've seen a thousand ass shots I've seen a thousand guys do goofy things on Instagram like it as it was just a not appeal to people and I think we're seeing it already I think it's already becoming less cool I think the hype was was really cool when it first hit and some people were smart attached himself to that exploded and are in a great place right now but to maintain that they'll have to evolve you always you have to continue to reinvent in business you always have to be reinventing yourself if you're not growing you're dying it's one of the other there's no cruising you are fucking either the business is either dying or it's growing fake is starting to become not cool and real is starting to become cool so like when we talk to our marketing team right and they're like hey when you do a video just hold do it with your iPhone because it gives that that feeling of realism right three years ago four years ago never they would have never said that was a professional camera clean imagery you know good editing thousands of dollars yeah and devote and now people want that realism you look at major advertising campaigns like dove where they're showing you know quote unquote real women or real people or you see these fitness celebrities now or start how popular is the picture now where you have the girl standing all posed and then she has a picture right next to it of her with her stomach hanging out or she's sitting down and showing her to show how real she bro I don't know anybody else that was doing that before I did that on my fucking this I'm swear to God you started the career that was three years ago over three years ago now when I used to do the this is me first thing in the morning no this is also too while a lot of people mean they're like oh shit you're bigger than what I expected and I was like well that's because all the photos that you see me when I show you before and after it's first thing in the morning flat as fuck no carbs in me no pumping me standing to show you the difference of my progress not 600 grams of carbs in me a gallon of water and I'm a different human when I have 600 grams of carbs and I'm literally like a 15 pounds bigger and look probably 30 pounds bigger showing people the difference right and I would show people I'd show people even the difference of watch what happens I would show that I show watch without how much I can manipulate the way I look on Instagram from the morning till the night based off of food in a pump and I would show people that I seen so many people do that after the fact it's becoming a thing now I think realism is starting to become cool which I think is a good thing but I'm also a little bit weary of it because with anything they'll take something and they'll turn it into it'll be super produced to look real you know what I'm saying of course that looks too good let's make sure to stick your stomach out a little more mess up your hair a little bit yeah some dirt totally yeah next question is from Phoebes Cray K can you spot reduce or do you lose fat all over even if you target a certain part of the body so we've covered this on previous podcast a while ago and I forget how many episodes we've done since then and so I think it's an important thing that we cover again because this is sweat cream yeah you could definitely do it this is super it's still one of the most commonly believed things among people who work out so when we pick this question I quickly went online just to look at the the modern evidence because I've known for a long time that spot reduction is largely a myth the belief is if I work out you know my right leg and I leave my left leg alone not only will I build more muscle in my right leg but then I will also burn more body fat locally in my right leg then I will my left leg and that's been pretty much debunked they've done many many many studies on this and they've shown that it is not a local fat burning effect there's more of a systemic effect where your body mobilizes body fat typically and it usually burns body fat from the places that you tend to store it like the first place you burn it is the last place your heaviest reserve as you store it yeah and not only that but the first place you store it is the last place you lose it so if you tend to store in your belly that's typically the last place you're going to lose it as you get leaner you'll lose it from everywhere else before that happens now as I'm looking through these studies I did find one believe it or not I did find one that hints that some spot reduction may actually occur I've read that I've read that but the the amount is so small negligible exactly that it doesn't matter it's like it's not it's not worth it's definitely not worth doing a thousand crunches a day if you're trying to fucking get a flat tummy like that would be counterproductive doing a thousand crunches you'd be far better off spending that time doing some other doing cardio lifting almost anything else almost anything else physically if you were if your goal was to you know get a six pack or have better at abdominal area so that and you have a big belly your you are way better off you know going on a treadmill or going for a hike or doing squats or anything else being more active and right I mean a thousand sit ups is better than nothing right a thousand sit ups is going to help the reduction in your stomach then doing zero sitting on the couch is your burning calories yeah but the amount of time that it takes you to do a thousand sit ups if you applied that same time doing almost any other exercise because almost every other exercise probably burns more calories than a crunch does you would be you would get further along your your goal well you also have this other side too where if I work out my legs and I build muscle in my legs it's going to create the because here's the bottom line the bottom line is you want to get leaner yes but you also want to look leaner can you create the illusion of spot reduction through targeted exercise yes you can I've experienced that personally I'll use my core as an example you know for years I trained my core my abs and my obliques in particular with high repetition type exercises I believe the myth that you train the abs in the core differently than you train the other body that you need to train it with high reps that that's how you develop those muscles low reps or high resistance doesn't do much for the midsection and so for years that's how you train my core and when I get really really lean I would get a six pack but I'd have to like flex my abs to really see it and I never had that six pack that was there when I was relaxed like I was always jealous that when I would see athletes that were just kind of sitting there breathing and not even flexing their abs but they had this like really well defined midsection in particular I remember Carl Weathers in Predator and Carl Weathers has his shirt off a couple times and he's breathing heavily and he's just got these abs that protrude and I remember thinking like fuck do I need to get leaner to get that like how lean do I have to get to be able to get abs where I could see them without having to flex and the leanest I'd ever gotten up until this point would be around seven percent which is fucking lean that's single digit body fat and not stage lean but it's it's quite lean now fast forward a few years later and I started to understand that some of the myths I had surrounding you know some of the ideas I had around surrounding core exercises were myths so I started training my abs and my core with more resistance you know decline sit ups you know hanging leg raises but done with you know perfect form you know flag flagpole exercises and stuff like that you know planking but doing them with lots of tension resistance and my abs started to develop I started to build the muscles of my abs now as a result of that my abs and my midsection looked leaner even at the same body fat percentage or even higher body fat percentages to the point where now at nine percent or ten percent whereas before at ten percent you couldn't see my six pack unless I really flexed and had good lighting now you could see my six pack standing there relaxed and it wasn't because I reduced more body fat around my midsection it was because I created the illusion of looking leaner because my muscles were more developed and this is why I think so many people are bought into the spot reduction myth because they realize they see that oh my god oh my god you don't think it's from all the cordyceps and chaga that you were rubbing on your abs you can't get that to reduce you know it's funny you just brought up chaga so I know we're sponsored by FourSigmatic and they have one of their supplements is chaga I just read an article on chaga how people in Siberia in Russia have been using chaga because it grows naturally on trees how they've been using it for a long time you know hundreds of years it has been something that they've consumed to help them deal with the hunger pains of long fasting because when these people in Siberia would go hunting or whatever it could be a week oh shit I was just making that shit up no it's for real they would be like a week before they would find you know or kill something so they'd go without food for a whole week and chaga in Siberia and Russia was used differently than it was used in Chinese medicine for them they used it to help combat the fatigue and effects of hunger so I did a little research and I did some natural appetite or suppressant yes it actually is it's actually a natural appetite suppressant so which you know on the topic of fat loss for some people that can help is you know putting yourself in a state where you're not necessarily craving but I also want to I also want to make the point too but this is also how these companies get away with marketing fat loss pills and things like that is they throw something like chaga in it and now make this claim that it's a fat loss pill because it can actually help suppress your appetite it's interesting it's also anti fungal antiparasitic antibacterial so sometimes cravings are the result of like if you have what is it called it's a fungus that no it's a it's a fungus that you can get a lot of and you can go on a diet that's anti and I can't think of the name right now Doug's gonna look it up for me but anyhow if you have overgrowth or dysbiosis candida there you go candida if you have like overgrowth of candida it'll cause you to crave isn't that what Christina had candida or a candida overgrowth because everybody has a little candida because it feasts on sugar if you have a lot of it it will compel you to eat more sugar to keep itself alive and chaga is anti candida so that may be one of the ways I'm speculating here maybe one of the ways that it kills appetite but no as far as spot reduction is concerned bodybuilders for years have observed that hey if I work out my shoulders they look leaner I don't think it's because the shoulders are getting leaner again the studies show that if that's not what's happening but your shoulders gonna look leaner right because you got more muscle right so from that standpoint spot reduction is real you're not actually reducing more body fat from the area you're working but if you develop the muscles underneath it developing and defining you're gonna look leaner in there right more muscular legs you know even if it's the same fat we're talking about somebody with a lot of fat I think I think this is where the misconception comes from because if I had it if I had a like a female client is common that they come in and they say you know Adam I want to my flabby arms I want to get rid of my flabby arms or whatever you know it's it's not just us leaning out I mean that's part of the process but it's also building some biceps and triceps because that's gonna tighten up I know that if I reduce her body fat and I build her arms it's gonna it's gonna give her that illusion of her skin tightening up because she's gonna lose fat and then she's all gonna replace that fat that's there now with muscle that she's built and it's actually gonna fill out her arms give her more shape to arms because that's the other thing too but the way fat looks in us versus what muscle looks like the shape of it is even different you know dude 15% body fat on a man that has no muscle looks very different than 15% body fat on a muscular guy oh and I'm talking about by the way 15% means that they have the same percentage of their body's body fat so it's equivalent so I know some people will be like well he actually has more body no 15% of their body weight being body fat in both cases the guy with more muscle if you took his clothes off looks leaner same as true for women if you have the same body fat percentage but you have muscular development you are gonna look leaner so from that standpoint spot reduction is a real thing also with body fat being considered like you know when you when you consider blow to like what that looks like you know when you really bloated like all the time oh dude that's huge yeah that's huge and that's just factor that's just your digestion yeah it's just something simple oh man I had this client that I trained a long time ago who was she was lean like fit and lean so her body fat percentage if I had to guess was probably in the mid teens which for a woman is pretty lean like 15-16% you're pretty lean but she also had digestive issues and I remember she hired me we started training together and she would tell me like man by the end of the day Sal she's like my stomach would be so bloated that I'd feel like I almost look pregnant and she sent a picture to me once and no joke like you're talking about I mean a massive difference between how she looked in the morning and how she looked at the end of the day then she ended up working with one of the individuals I had in there that worked with nutrition and helped find her food intolerances she figured those out she didn't get any leaner but for sure she looked leaner you know that's the thing like the perception like I've noticed that to even like I don't want to throw my wife under the bus but there's times where I know she's been like eating a certain way and it's really like she's retaining a lot of water and always complain like dude you're just bloated I noticed a huge difference dude that's why I tell you guys all the time about the diet soda thing so that when they're in I can see my body my face is holding water my stomach looks bloated cut them out and all of a sudden I look way different and it does it takes like a day or two day or two and then it kind of releases everything and then you can see a huge difference in the minute I drink it again it's now here's another interesting thing about fat loss is just because we're saying spot reduction is a myth and it's proven by many many studies doesn't mean that the things that you do or that your body changes within your body won't change how the sequence or the pattern that you burn body fat that actually would change with your hormones so studies have shown that if your cortisol levels are high if you're a woman and you're estrogen dominant or if your progesterone is off or if you're a man I'm dealing with this right now I told you remember yesterday I was sharing with you the biggest part with the depression like I'm not a guy who gets depressed I have a very positive outlook on life and I typically can take anything that's bad in my life and spend it for the good or find the good the silver lining right this whole low test testosterone thing there's so many other factors and one of the ones that I wasn't prepared for mentally was to see how it's actually changing the shape of my body like I have this kind of pair shape look you're storing body fat differently yes the way I'm storing body fat is different than how I would normally store body fat I can visibly see the difference on how my body is holding and it's giving me this kind of as I'm putting body fat on a pair shape look to me that I've never really had and it's really fascinating and depressing at the same time I'm fascinated by it because I know what's going on with my body I know that I have very low testosterone right now and I'm working on that but to try and stay the course and do what I need to do to try and build it back up while seeing things like that there's multiple factors at the end of the day that's why spot reduction is not you can't just definitively say like yeah what do you think that is Saudi think it's like my because my estrogen is higher and my testosterone is so low and so I think it's the ratio of estrogen testosterone just low testosterone they'll show that if a man has low testosterone his fat storage will change same thing for a woman you'll notice how younger women tend to store more on their hips and thighs and but as they get older they start to store more belly fat that's that's hormonal changes and they show in studies that when they give hormones to people that their fat storage patterns start to change as well so do you think it's so obvious that like if we were to you know put 10 men in a room and the body types were very very different like say they're all about 25 or 30% body fat so everyone's carrying significant weight on them do you think that we could guesstimate like that person probably has lower testosterone than that person this person has I think it's a factor but I think it's one factor there's a lot of factors that'll determine that and I don't think we've isolated every single one of them but genetics plays a role so do hormones like if we like I think again we talked about this in the earlier in the episode there's a genetic kind of propensity to where you're going to tend to store body fat and where your hormones are will dictate where you fall in that spectrum but you may have a spectrum that's kind of set for you like I've known guys that I've known guys that were on anabolic that store I had a buddy that used to take anabolic steroids you know all the time and this dude just stored body fat in his fucking upper chest back and neck he just and it was strange and I'm sure you've seen people like that they just store really weird in their upper body and they get a lot of fat around their chest and that's just the genetically how he stores body well and every I know every woman seen the girl who's fucking blessed and lucky who puts stores in her boobs and ass that's really she she puts on 15 pounds of fat he goes all there were tits and ass it's like fucking oh bummer I can't eat that cheesecake every girl hates that girl right everybody hates that girl alright next one is from Skaimineski what do you guys have against Danny not a swiss ball while performing lifts as long as the weight is light I have found it pivotal in developing my stabilizer muscles and improving overall core strength and balance who picked this yeah I did did you want to jab our boy or is that why here's a thing did you want to jab him I don't know what boy or time dude that's don't you know that's like the biggest knock that everybody has on functional patterns is it all standing on balls and stuff yeah yeah you always see him defending himself about it because I either either he's got a good shit right he's got really really good shit you know here's a thing like so nothing we have nothing against it now here's the thing when you're spending your time working out first off you have goals that you want to consider what are my goals and then you also want to look on look at what kind of a return are you going to get for the time that you're investing in these in exercises now if you're the average person and your goals are to be more fit more muscle less body fat just you know just overall move better and you have a grand total of four hours a week to dedicate to the gym which is a decent amount of time it's more than most people can only dedicate two or three hours a week do I think you're going to get a lot of return on investment on spending tons of time no trying to balance on a physio ball stand on it doing curls no I think you'll get way more just perfecting a barbell squat barbell deadlift overhead press some rotational stuff and gross motor move yeah you're just going to get way more return if you're a football player and you want to maximize your power and speed and you only have seven hours a week to spend in the gym I also think it's not that good of a return on investment because you need power strength and agility and although I can see a place for some of this I don't see a ton of return investment if your goal is to be able to balance on a physio ball or your goal is to have a great idea then it's a great idea yeah the body is very specific in how it adapts and it adapts to what you do and there's some carryover to other things but there's not a ton there's not a ton of carryover so if you get someone who gets really really good at squatting on a physio ball they're probably going to add some weight to the squat but not a lot if you get someone who just squats they're going to add a shit ton of weight to their squat now which one is going to contribute more towards what your goal is that's what you have to ask yourself that's all it is that's the only reason why in the past it may sound like we have a problem now when it comes to developing stabilizer muscles I really hate that term because what do you mean by that like I can develop I can develop a stabilizer muscles really well with every time you do anything you're developing stabilizer muscles what do you mean by that it's a very generic term that people throw around that doesn't really mean fucking jack shit no I you know I don't know here's I'll tell you something that I used to do it wasn't on a stability ball I used to flip over a bowsuit ball and I would have clients do squats on there and the and the logic behind why I would do this is it was a really cool way to teach people the mechanics of the squat because if you stand on a if you flip a bowsuit ball over where it's kind of how much pressure you're putting on like each everything right you can't you have to really distribute your weight evenly to get down and this would just be body weight they're not stacked I'm not stacking weights on really using it more as a teaching to write I help them up onto it and then I and then I have them squat down and what I'm trying to show them is this is how your body needs to look mechanically when we're on stable ground and so I use it as a tool like that to refer to for them it was not like a staple exercise that was in my routines it wasn't for every client of mine but I you know some clients don't understand cues like some clients if you say retract your shoulders they just can't fucking compute that you know or if you say sit back on your hips they just can't fucking they can't compute they just don't have that right so I've used a lot of techniques a lot of stability type techniques to force people in a good posture standing on one leg and doing bicep curls doesn't sound like it's a very good idea or the best way to spend your time but there are some benefits from it that I've used because what it does is try standing having bad posture and swinging dumbbells up and bicep curls on on one leg you'll probably fall over to the side so it does create a I have used it as a tool to teach people proper mechanics that can't articulate their body the way I want them to. I like that and I tend to like so I did the same thing where I used NASM and I tried to kind of go completely in that direction when I first was getting started as a trainer where I'm doing like the single leg bicep curls I'm doing you know the balancing you know reactive type training like heavily in the beginning and you know I understand the concept with that but then you start to realize what actually applies to real world functionality and everyday activities that you know I'm going to be placing my body in certain positions so those are the ones I tend to gravitate more towards and that was usually in a split stance where I have two touch points because if I am in a single leg position it's not for very long and so like for me it made a lot more sense to focus a little bit more on step ups if that's my goal and then load it and then also rotate my body in certain directions where I knew real life like I'm going to experience some of these things if that's what I'm training for it's similar to me like Olympic lifting and I'll explain what I mean Olympic lifting is a very high skill form of exercise when you get good at the skill you can reap a lot of the benefits but a lot of what you'll be getting with Olympic lifting for the first I don't know year and this is for somebody who's got good movement and good mobility a lot of the first year is not reaping the benefits of Olympic lifting it's just learning the skill of it when you put people most people on stability balls and you know balance boards and all these different things a lot of what they're getting for the beginning for a long time is just learning the skill of being able to balance on this particular you know device it's not getting the benefit of necessarily the strength the force generation the muscle the metabolic changes and that kind of stuff so when you're a trainer and you have a client you're training three days a week and this is the average client and the average client is relatively deconditioned maybe they worked out in the past but right now they're not working out no major injuries or anything like that but just your average you know 35 to 40 something year old you know client and I have three hours a day to spend excuse me a week to spend on this person how much time do I want to spend developing a skill that we may reap some benefit from later on versus let's get you to do these fundamental movements like a squat like an overhead press like a row where there's going to be some time developing the skill but that's going to be much shorter and then we'll be reaping a lot of the other benefits from it you see what I'm saying so there's just there's a lot of skill involved with some of that stuff and here's the other thing to I said this the law of specificity yeah you could take a you know a cyclist with tremendous endurance and cycling and then have them run they'll still have a lot of endurance but they'll notice that their performance is way way lower a lot of ability to a lot of their ability is very specific cycling yeah it's like a pie it's like a wedge of like four quadrants right and you got balance you got power you got strength and was the other one I was thinking but endurance and so you're right in the middle and you're devoting a lot of your attention into one of those pies and you know there maybe they'll be you know like some emphasis where you're including others but like your body wants to be specific into one of those directions for the most part right and you're going to get better and better in that direction and so you just have to like you just have to be specific you have to know exactly like this is what I'm trained right now as a skill and now if I want to develop a new skill and move on and benefit the entire pie I'm gonna have to move on yeah that's not we're not again there's not to say that there's no benefit from using though I'm not saying it's a waste of time no but it when people place that just not on top of the list no and place that as the ultimate importance and that's a lot of what they do I'll tell you what if you're trained or listening right now and you get the average client that comes to see you and they want to lose 20 pounds and become you know more mobile and strong and all that stuff and all you do are balance exercises it's going to take a long time for you to show them really show them some return yeah on their investment all I did with those those exactly I never have ever had a client stand on a stability ball ever my entire career I don't know if you guys have stand yeah yeah never had a client stand on a stability ball what I used to do though that was very common is almost every isolation next standing isolation exercise is in a split stance and you change the stance right right and I and I always put the weaker foot forward so if someone naturally can balance on their right leg a lot better I put their the less dominant foot forward and the back foot on its toe just throws off their stability a tiny bit forces them into good posture I'm doing an isolation exercise like a bicep curl anyways I'm not getting huge bang for my buck as far as building my arms I may as well work on some posture and stability at the same time because I'm doing these little isolation moves but then the most of the time is focused on the big gross motor movements like squatting deadlifting good mornings things overhead presses things like that but when I do isolation stuff I would incorporate that those type of kind of stability moves in there while I'm also doing something that's an isolation grow or something so I think you can and then when you compare that to somebody who's over here spending a whole hour trying to get up on the ball and balance and stuff like that I don't know how much more benefit that person is getting then compared to the client that I have that I'm just incorporating some stability stuff within their isolation and it's just what's the what what are you looking to get out of it also risk versus reward that's it you have to take into consideration and what am I looking to get out of it look here's my day my day is I go to my office I work at my desk I play with my kids and I want to look good I want to feel good you know what am I going to get out of mastering standing on a stability ball versus you know mastering some basic fundamental movements you know that's that's kind of yeah it's interesting too because balance has been like one of those things I've almost abandoned as far as like my emphasis was more on movement patterns and being able to recognize deficiencies in the movement and really like honing in on that and like like figuring out mobility drills and different types of flow patterns and things that I can include in order to get the body more responsive and to reconnect that connection and that that in itself promoted more balance and here's the thing I would I would love I would do this all day long I would set up a study or compete with somebody you give us a bunch of old people who have poor balance and you could have someone over here just teaching them balance and you have me over here focusing on strength and I'll bet you I'll bet you money that my approach will yield faster and better results because at the core of balance strength carry strength and when you look at the older population because of beside okay children and old people are the people who are most likely to fall and hurt themselves because a loss of balance little kids and old people and the reason why old people fall and hurt themselves for the most part because there's a lot of issues that can happen you can have issues with the inner ear and all that stuff but let's say they're healthy otherwise is this they're not strong right they're not strong enough to support the step coming down the stairs or something like that their coordination is off then a lot of that could have been help they don't have the strength to bend over and picks up mupped they don't have the strength to squat down without falling and when you give them the strength boom all of a sudden they've got better yeah versus oh here you know stand on one foot let's time you now practice the other foot now it's time you here stand on this thing that's going to be time you know make them stronger make them stronger you get way faster results next up is from Mikey V fitness what's the most dangerous thing you know Mikey V sorry what's the most dangerous thing you guys have ever done oh man are we going to do like like right away what comes to mind I think the some of the most dangerous times in my life was just being involved in the cannabis industry but that wasn't like you can't really go into detail yeah I can't go into too much detail with that but and it also isn't like this this one event that I did that was super dangerous right like I you know like a death-defying feet right are we thinking of physical danger are we thinking of just like overall danger I don't know whatever being held up yeah I don't know whatever you want because that I mean during the time that I was starting up a cannabis club had it been in my opinion the most dangerous time I've ever been because the laws just weren't all the way in place I was I was operating in a very gray area I was also operating in a field that I wasn't that familiar with I was relatively new to medical marijuana and so I didn't know what what would come down on me or what they could do to me and I had seen people around me that had gone to jail for for stupid little things and and being the guy that was kind of the face and run in the clubs and carrying the product or target oh yeah right so it definitely I mean I'm sure a lot of my hair thinning and shit happened during that time I'm pretty sure I had a full fucking you know luxurious fucking head of hair before before the cannabis industry I went through that I'd be like a white yeah so definitely definitely those are some of the maybe that was those are the scariest times for me maybe it's not the most dangerous like I'm trying to think of like something I oh I got something for you that I did this was probably the most stupidest thing and dangerous thing that we did there used to be this trip from Oakdale to Turlock so anybody that lives out there shout out to 209 and they might know happening out there there is a there's the Oakdale there's the Oakdale Waterford Highway which is just a two-lane highway that goes between Oakdale Waterford and Turlock and we had friends my cousin went to Turlock High I went to Oakdale High so we used to travel this road a lot and and we used to you know party in Turlock some weekends we used to party in Oakdale some weekends I had my license at this time so this is between the ages of 16 and 18 and over in the valley those that live over there know that certain times of the year we get the most ridiculous fog like nothing that the Bay Area's ever seen like I don't know how familiar you guys are with this or not but this fog is so thick you can't see the end of your fucking hood of your car like that thick where it's crazy a lot of people just won't driving it or scared if you grew up in it like I did you're kind of used to it you know and so and it's funny because I haven't driven it in a long time and was back there not that long ago and was in it and I've scared to death I was like oh shit this is crazy how scary this is for me as a kid the things that I was doing that's where I made this story and we were we were caravanning four different cars we're heading out to a party in Turlock and it's one of those nights where the fog is literally to the you know end of the hood you can't see the car in front of you other than the lights I can see the glowing lights a little bit but and the four of us it's all my high school buddies are fucking racing in the in the fog to this party that's and it's it's about a 20 minute trip to 30 minute trip on this highway and we're taking turns passing each other on a two lane highway in the fog like this crazy such an old man now I want to like yell at you oh dude I think I want to yell myself and even what the fuck are you thinking you could have died that night bro what were you doing teenagers are such fucking idiots oh man it was so stupid reminded me of oh man I did you know I think back to that what reminded me I just recently I went back to the valley see my family and it was foggy and it wasn't nowhere near as foggy as that night because I still remember that night vividly and I thought to myself like how scared I am right now just to drive normal you know fucking 10 and 2 driving 20 miles an hour it's because when you're young you have zero concept of like you think like anything's gonna happen you have zero and yeah testosterone's flying yes right which we all know testosterone is not the best decision-making hormone by far no when your testosterone is high there's a lot of stupid shit you tend to want to do and you're like you turn into a werewolf and dude you get in fights you sleep you have you know risky sex and you drive your car like an idiot and it's just wake up and your clothes are gone yeah and you're just some more so I remember so when I so I drove horribly when I was a kid horribly very very dangerous I did a lot of dangerous stuff but one story in particular pops out so I used to have a the first car I ever bought with my own money was a Toyota four-cylinder pickup truck base model and of course you know I tried to fix it up so I put like an exhaust on it and put some stickers and a spoiler on it yeah it was a little four-banger so I had this truck I'm probably I think I'm 16 years old maybe 16 or 17 so maybe 16 or 17 years old right around my stupid age yeah and I used to I used to race everybody I don't care who you are if you took off slightly fast at the stoplight we're going to race it's just what I did everywhere I don't care if I'm going down the street I'm going to race somebody so I pull up next to this big truck was like a big Chevy and the light and he's next to me and he revs a little bit now I don't know if he was trying to race or if I'm just like trigger happy so I hear him rev a little bit light turns green and I burn out and I take off and I don't even think he was racing me I take off and then I go in front of him and I tap my brakes a little bit because that's what you that's what we used to do you race you beat someone you go in front of me tap your brakes let him know hey I beat you so this fucking dude guns it and starts to come around me so I'm like oh now he really wants a race so then I gun it and so we're both going down Santa Teresa hella fast well he pulls up next to me because he had a bigger truck he pulls up next to me and I'm laughing my ass off and I'm flipping them off like yeah let's fucking race I'm thinking I'm having a great time I look over and I'm not exaggerating it's the biggest motherfucker I've ever seen in my entire life ever never have I seen a huge never have I remember I was into lifting weights I had never seen a human this big in my life he sticks his arm out of his window and he's got his fist and he's yelling I mean all I notice was his arm and it was massive he had this massive veiny crazy looking muscular arm and I'm looking over at him and he's fucking yelling and spit is coming at his mouth because he's so pissed off so I'm looking at him and I'm like oh shit what the fuck this guy's fucking huge so I'm like I'm not gonna stop or slow down I'm gonna keep fucking going so now I'm still taking off he's still coming after me he's swerving into me trying to fuck with me and I'm yelling through my window like hey man don't fucking chill out that's why I keep telling him chill out man chill out so we're driving and then the light in front of me is red and there's cars stopped at the stop line so now I'm like and my only way to get out would have been to go right but he's on my right and so I have nowhere to go so I'm like oh fuck so I had luckily I had the vision of not pulling directly up to the car in front of me so I pull I stop and I give myself about I don't know three car lengths in front of me he stops right next to me gets out of his car so now I'm like oh shit so I'm telling him hey man don't fucking like just chill he grabs my rear view my side window or whatever and he tries to rip it off and it kind of breaks off to the side so I back my car up and he's in front of my car and I tell him like I'll run you over dude if you come out now I'm literally think cause he's a man as he gets out he's a big dude he's like six foot something probably and I'm not exaggerating high two hundreds so this guy's fucking massive and I'm revving my engine I'm like hey man I don't want no trouble I don't want no trouble and he's yelling at me people are starting to honk their horns and stuff like that he gets in his car and I go home that was a dangerous situation I totally forgot all about that there's too many car related stuff I have a bunch of car stories I remember what he looked like and if I ever encounter that motherfucker we're going to have a nice conversation you could have a race again he's not that big anymore there's no way for the last 22 years he's maintained that size with the level of drugs he was taking I'm pretty sure he's weak and shot now did I ever share the tractor story on this show? I never shared that with you guys? oh fuck dude okay listen to this this was probably the most dangerous or scary time too for me so I'm working the dairy at this time I am 15 or 16 I think I have my license by now you're just milking you're pumping that's right I'm a bovine mammary extraction technician I'm at the dairy and it's really early on in the job I worked there for 3 years I've only been there for like a month or so and my boss comes up to me and he says hey would you like to fertilize the pasture and I'm like sure I'll take a shit have you ever driven a tractor before? he's like that's right I'll teach you so we head up to where the tractors are at and what I'm doing it's wood ash that's what you use to fertilize all the fields so it's a ton of it right and you've got one tractor that's the loader that scoops it up and then he's filling it in the back of this other big tractor that's pulling it all and then that's the one you take over the grass and then you fertilize with and he's teaching me how to use the loader and he's like you know this does this it does that and this how you get it all and then after you load this thing up he's all when you drive this tractor he's like the brakes don't work on this so you just got to keep it in a low gear now mind you I'm on the top of this hill it's on the crown of this hill and it's overseeing 100 acres and it's very very top of it and all the grass is down below and you go down this hill and at the bottom of the hill there's a canal and there's the canal to the left and the canal to the right and it's a nice pathway it's a good 10-15 feet wide so plenty wide for the trailer tractor to drive through there and this is the beginning of the 100 acres so we have a telephone pole that is cemented about 6 to 8 feet in the ground that is the tie off for all the bob wire so it's the main hub right there and that's right at the bottom of the hill so I load up I learned how to use this tractor I'm having a good old time love this load it up there's about 2 tons worth of wood ash that's behind this other tractor so I get on it and if you've ever driven a tractor and been in granny gear before granny gear really moves about as fast as like a 90 year old fucking grandma super slow I mean it's like I mean inches right and so I get it all going and he's told me you know keep it in the low gear he says keep it in the low gear and so I put it in the lowest gear possible and I realized okay at this rate it's going to take me 4 hours just to get to the bottom of the hill it's literally that slow so I pump it in a little bit higher gear and it's a little bit faster and then I get it to like first or second gear and now I'm like I'm not going fast I was very slow but I'm at least moving I'm like walking speed I get over the crown and I start to come down and I'm like okay I'm going to put it into a higher gear when I pull it in a neutral I'll go into a one one more gear up and the tractor had already caught too much speed for that gear so you can you know what that sounds like when you're trying to yeah it's kicking me out of the first gear and it won't let me get into it because the tractor's already starting to pick speed up and as a kid who's fucking scared to death all I keep doing is keep forcing instead of going up to a higher gear and just getting the thing to at least stay at the speed it's at right now I'm trying to force it and meanwhile when you're in neutral yes meanwhile I'm in neutral at the top of this hill heading down and it's gaining speed and it's gaining so much speed that I probably spent another few seconds trying to get it in that higher gear realize I'm fucked it's not in gear because this thing is now starting I've got two ton of wood ash behind me it's fucking pushing this trailer tractor down this hill and I'm getting so much speed now that the front tires are fucking bouncing and I'm trying to steer I'm trying to steer it with two hands and I crank it as hard as I can because and I look down below me and I'm heading for this you know 10 to 15 foot wide trail that goes between a canal on both sides and the telephone pole right to the left of it and I'm steering to the right and then the wheels catch and I have yanked to the right and then I go to the left and I'm going back and forth down this hill and it's like one minute I'm going to the canal on this side then I'm going to the canal on this side and meanwhile I'm just gaining speed all the way down I go through that telephone pole like it's fucking a toothpick doesn't even slow me down shatters it go through it and I go are you just praying oh dude I'm like I'm scared to death and I go shooting up land this thing into the fucking canal everywhere I don't know how I got unscathed because I was flying and it was just happened to be the way the canal was shaped and the tractor was and a little bit of water that was in there was about four or five feet of water that was still in the canal and I hit that wood ash come flying over the top of me so I'm covered in black soot and I'm scared to death here comes the boss running down the hill screaming ahhhhh and I'm just like my heart is out of my chest at this point scared to death I was totally fine it didn't get hurt but fuck that was probably one of the most dangerous scariest moments of my life for sure damn I've had enough time to think but I don't know if it will top any of those it's just like more stupid shit with a car I had a Jeep Cherokee that was like all lifted and I brought it with me out to Chicago for like I don't know if it was my first or second year I think that I was out there and like during the snow like during the winter there was I mean there was we get a ton of snow some years and this time it was like just really really thick and we got bored and of course me being there with a bunch of my buddies from the football team everybody's off campus we thought let's fucking 4x4 let's have fun with this and let's like like tool around a little bit and so I one of my friends thought it'd be a funny idea to basically tie a rope to the back of the Jeep and then I would pull them like they're like snowboarding oh yeah we did this yeah so we would do that and so I'm driving I'm whipping these guys around and they're flying off these embankments and everything we're having a good old time and it's fun and so I just we were really getting into it talking shit to each other trying to see how far we could launch some of these guys there's this embankment that kind of went really high and went over it you could get to the football field and so I do like another one of these turns and like kind of spin and then try and give them a real whiplash effect and give them to like fly and then somebody had been coming like towards me like a car was coming like as this you know I was just about to make that move and I saw it like last second and then I turn and I tried to like correct it and so like half of it spun towards the car coming towards me guys you whip him in front of the car so he whipped like real close to the car he flew off to one side and then I was able to correct the jeep but then I flew off the embankment so I went up the embankment and jumped like over and landed like on the other side and we all just like stopped it like in our tracks and we're just like holy shit did that just happen like I literally caught like serious air like it's crazy these some of these dangerous moments like that are all coming to my head right now all of them I was unscathed I was lucky yeah we made it out totally fine like I remember thinking after my car what the fuck was I thinking dude I so so here's something this has nothing to do with the car so when I was younger I got really into as many people know I got really into working out building muscle and a lot of stuff and I got really into supplements and the chemistry of supplements and how they affect the body and at this time I'm probably again I'm probably 17 years old maybe 18 years old and ephedra is not only is it fully legal but it's the top selling like hardcore fat burner you can buy now for people that don't know ephedra is a methamphetamine it's a and they used to sell the herbal form of it ma huang which is a Chinese herb that contains ma huang exactly contains ephedra alkaloids in it and supplements would typically give you one serving would have 25mg of ephedra alkaloids I believe don't quote me on this but I believe that was like the max dose that it is 25mg is what they say is the max dose you take a day you take it one time not a day because then you would end up taking like four servings right so those 25mg of ephedra was what they said that you took then you combine that with 100mg of aspirin and then you combine it with 200mg of caffeine it was the aspirin ephedra stack and what aspirin did is aspirin prolonged the half life of the ephedra so it just made it last longer I thought it had something to do with your blood well I know it thinned your blood into other things but the reason why you took it with the ephedra was it would prolong the the effect on your body so it's longer lasting so this was like the go to pre-workout like I'm telling you right now if you get your hands on and I don't recommend this but if you ever tried ephedra, caffeine and aspirin first off you need to have a strong heart to do this because if I did it now I'd have problems you would not recommend this but as a kid I'd take this and I'd be on fire I'd work out super hard and it was great and lots of supplements contained it ultimate orange was one Dan Toucain sold that rip force by twin lab contained it whatever now I being the super nerd that I am learned about the effects of these things and I bought them all individually I bought ephedra I bought aspirin I bought caffeine made your own concoction and then I learned about the different receptors that these things activate in the body and then I learned that oh wow I can combine these with yo himbi which is another stimulant based herb and yo himbi will actually change my body's internal thermostat so I guess the way I thought it worked was ephedra, caffeine and aspirin raised your core temperature that was what thermogenic was about it but then you have this thermostat that limits how high it can go yo himbi changes the thermostat so now you get a higher thermostat now in reality what I was doing is I was just throwing a bunch of stimulants together so I buy I got ephedra aspirin caffeine I don't know how much of each I took but I know it was more than they recommend and I took a full on like maximum dose of yo himbi so now I combine all these three things and I may have even added another stimulant but I remember those four for sure so I take all these supplements and I head off to the gym actually I know I wasn't 18 yet because I was working out at the YMCA so I must have been 16 so I go to the YMCA combining all these supplements that I had read about and I had formulated in my head like this can be fucking awesome go to the gym and I work out like a maniac like an asshole like I'm literally on drugs and I'm hitting everything and I'm hitting everything hard and I'm in there forever and I'm working out for I don't know how many hours I worked out but it was a long time that I worked out in the gym to the point like way longer than I should have right it's probably like three hours of working out get on my bike I ride home as I'm riding home every I don't know couple minutes I feel my heart skip a beat like you know and by that at this point I'd never felt that I'd never felt like yes I'm like what's going on here this is weird so I get home and my heart is like this is fuck I'm whacked out of my mind so I'm like maybe if I eat something so I make myself a sandwich I eat a sandwich and I'm feeling nauseous now heart's doing like this thing and what I don't realize I'm having an anxiety attack basically right but I don't know what that was so I eat more food still feeling shitty drink a weight gainer oh fuck I think I'm gonna throw up I go upstairs in my room and I lay down I'll never forget this I lay down in my bed and I'm laying back and I'm like I need to take a nap like I need to go to sleep to make this feel better there's no way in hell I'm gonna fall asleep no so I'm laying there with my eyes open heart beating like crazy and I make a deal with God yeah I'm starting to make a deal with God I'm laying there and I'm like because at this point you know it's bad if the atheist guy is doing that right which you gotta know I haven't been promoting you I'm hedging my best because you need to know that up until this point one of the major battles between me and my mom was supplements she used to tell me like you're gonna kill yourself these things are dangerous of course I think I know more than she does I'm like you don't know what you're talking about don't worry about it so I would take these supplements and sometimes I hide them and she even know right so I'm laying there like a deal with God like please don't let me because my heart now skipping beats fucking beating fast I'm sweating hands are cold now I'm nervous on top of it which is probably making it worse and I'm like please God don't let my mom find me like this because they're gonna fucking know that I did this to myself and I laid there and I was there all night I didn't sleep at all I did the same thing and it finally wore off and I never combined those supplements again man why I mean it why do people I people one or two why we're so passionate about the whole anti-supplement thing I think if we have fucked with a lot of right right I think we all we all did this as kids trying to get the competitive edge many things we took many things before a football game once I was died dude like I was on fire that oh man I was making every tackle and then my mouth was like oh do you know my mouth yeah cotton mouth foam in and then I was just oh my god I had to like pass dude I I remember we used to mean we've talked about the speed stacks that were made by American bodybuilding and speed stacks had the aspirin caffeine and ephedra in there they didn't have the aspirin but they had the ephedra in the caffeine well no they did it wasn't called aspirin it was called white willow bark it was white willow bark was in there because if you know to sell aspirin you have to remember I bought aspirin no shit that I did not know I'm fucking I drink those like my the story you just told is like spot on to exactly what happened to me when and I remember this day I'll never forget it either the same thing I didn't sleep that hold next day after that and that was four speed stacks and six hydroxy cuts so I took I had drank four speed stacks over the course of the day it was a close out with mark and I had taken six hydroxy cuts pills and each one of those are like doses dude that is it was insane and I remember laying in bed at three o'clock in the morning and my hands trembling and shaking and just couldn't sleep to the point where at about four o'clock I got up showered went back to work at five o'clock and worked the next day I crashed about one or two o'clock in the afternoon and fucking slept for 20 hours straight after that but it was whoo it was scary I remember being scared like literally laying in my bed like scared death like oh shit I pushed the limits you know this is the thing now that I'm a parent when when I think of the shit and I was a cautious kid I was I was not like a super I wasn't a dare devil I know I wasn't as you know dare devil as you guys was believe it or not I know I was I was very cautious compared to my friends and I still did shit that was fucked up especially as a teenager and as a parent man just makes me freaks me out I just like smashed my way through a lot of things there's plenty of those stories but that's you know it's boring exactly so check 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