 Right, we all on. So we are here. I had to remember to hit the record button before we went too far into our conversation Here with my amazing co-hosts Bryce Watson S. Terry Cabanto who you all know and First time on my channel second time on your channel Bryce the lovely lovely Jamie Sillay from Canada So Jamie, how are you doing? Oh, I'm hanging in I'm doing okay. You know just constantly Uh focused on finding the good and in every day. I'm just It's like I want to get out of my skin some days, but You know, we're just trying to stay positive. How are you? How are you ladies doing? Really good in general, but we were just having we've had so many conversations today I haven't advised a lot of lessons being learned at the moment Shall I say on a personal level for me a lot of lessons to be learning but I've reached that stage where I can laugh about them That's good. Laughing is important. It's really important But before we get into the nitty gritty of today, can you introduce yourself changing which I know you don't like doing So we'll add a few bits in there Just for those Yeah, we're gonna insist we're gonna make you cringe. So tell us about your amazing olympic career and Okay, well, so my background is I was a pair's ice skater And I've been to two olympics. I was in 1994 with my first partner in lily hammer norway And then I um paired up with my 2002 olympic partner david peltier and We were in salt lake city. Um, we were part of we're gonna talk about this but a part of um a judging scandal and then Um, I don't know what else to say about me I guess I I became uh after my we toured for 10 years with stars on ice and did other ice shows across uh north america and and even asia and then um, I've had two children I have a son that's 14 and a daughter that's eight and um going through a lot my second divorce now and um Yeah, just trying to regroup through all of this because I woke up Last january to what was going on in this world Even though I was fairly aware of specific things that we can get into as well, but um that really rocked my world Like many of your listeners are probably nodding going. Yeah, me too. Um, just My awakening went happened really quickly and I I threw everybody Like off big time and uh to the point where they didn't some of them didn't even want to be around me anymore Because I was part of a white supremacist community or I was a racist Well same thing and or I was uh a risk to be around that was the other one Because I'm not Hi, I'm one of those too same same It's a nice club to be part. It's a hard though. I mean we're laughing about it But I think most people listening will resonate with this a lot um, but you you've got such an amazing career with what you've done professionally and we will be putting a lot of links about you and about some of the We're going to come on to talk about about some of the documentaries you've been in and everything because there there's a lot of Publicity around your career as a professional sportswoman. But before we get into that, can I just ask you? I know my daughter is an amazing soccer player and just sort of break into the professional scene I know firsthand what it takes um Mentally physically to reach the level that you reach which was the top of the top of your game There must be so many skills jamey that you picked up with that that are now standing you in good stead Oh sport teaches us a lot about life. Um, I mean, this is where it gets challenging for me now because um As much as I love my sport and I loved competing. I loved um the thrill of after I was done You know, I used to get really really nervous about to compete but I've learned so much awakening through like the matrix and how this all works and um, so I get I stumble a little bit right now talking about how it I thought it should be or what had to be or whatever how I was training like when you even messaged us today like Um, what did you say you said no pain no gain? And I know that that's actually not a great way to be right, but we used to say that And it was like what can we do? In our sport like in our uh, what can david and I do to be that much better than everybody else? And so we we always worked like we thought we worked harder and Not necessarily longer. It wasn't about like how long you trained. It was like we didn't want to leave anything on the table So we had a trainer. We had a psychologist like we had a whole team around us that was just trying to make us these lean mean fighting machines and um It was incredible, but I think what I learned mostly was the power of visualization I Which I used as a little girl I used to see myself competing at the olympics and then when I got to that level I realized how much more important it even was that you need to see yourself You know skating a perfect performance or playing a perfect game We're not perfect, but like playing a good game scoring or whatever And then seeing the metal come around your neck seeing your flag come down in the middle on the top of the podium I saw it all And now after you know, I'm retired and I became a life coach I also Started visualizing other things and like I learned about manifesting But I was like I was doing this my whole life without even really knowing what I was doing So that was the biggest thing. I think I got from um from skating was you know learning the power of visualization And also um the discipline You know, there's a lot of people that don't want to do things when they're tired sore Not feeling quite right. They'll just make excuses where when you're a top athlete They're you don't you don't get those days you show up and it doesn't really matter You know that there would be days where we go to the rink and we just didn't we couldn't move We were so stiff from our workout the day before but it was like what can you do today with how you feel Whereas, you know a lot of people in general just would go i'm too sore. I'm not going to go today Right that would be a lot of that was our our head went there too, but when you're a top athlete You you you have a different conversation in your head. You don't allow yourself to do that. Is it healthy? I don't know but you know what got us there and again, this is my struggle right with What we're what we're made to do what we're capable of doing because we're always like push push push, you know more and more And harder harder harder, but I don't know if that's really the way that we're going to this new earth that we're moving into I don't know if that will be our way Yeah, yeah, that's such a good point. I've got this great sun That was a force between flowing It's guys is within me exactly. So yeah, I'll just try and stay in the center It's amazing. Isn't it brice? Yeah carry on because I was gonna ask and you can get divulged as to how deep you want to We always laugh that in the ashanga world. No one wants to hang out with us It was always do is we talk about periods and like Body functions, but I know like we were talking on the phone about some stuff and like the female body I know the narrative is now that gender isn't a thing But we know it is that the female body and the male body are two different bodies and have two different Purposes really and I was telling you that even with the most advance of ashanga There are some postures that they do not allow women to do because of The way it can affect our uterus, especially if you haven't had children yet And we actually have what we call ladies holiday where the first three days of your cycle You don't practice in order to let your body as a female athlete I know that I used to practice throughout my period and I lost my period at one point And so I had to then start honoring that because I realized that my body was getting maybe not in a body fat Like what was happening as a female athlete How how did you? How did did that experience? of being a woman did you feel For females out there like did you feel when when it was your time of the month? But did you feel that that? Discombobulation like how did that affect you your female hormones? I'm kind of a maybe abnormal athlete that way I I started Getting my periods when I was 15 and I I went on the pill probably around 17 Somewhere around there So I was I had a regular period, but I actually competed really well when I got my periods like yeah I know it was wild and I I remember people saying how come you wrote pms and how come you're not moody and I said No, I'm just I don't know. I never experienced that I never got you know grouchy if you will and um So when we go to a competition and I had it obviously it wasn't comfortable in the sense that like I I got to make sure that You know nothing shows with my skating classes, but I I don't know why I always felt lighter And a lot of my friends we would talk and they felt heavier and I go I don't know what it was with my cycle, but I actually felt lighter. It was like a purging maybe So yeah Had a problem that and I never lost my period having I think the lowest body fat though I had was 10 in 2002 Um, and that's low, but I never did lose a period at all. I was on a regular cycle That's interesting. Yeah, because that's something that's a big conversation in the afastonga world But it's interesting because we hear about all these other like athletes like uh runners Not having periods for the duration But then you're like but now we know what we know about what they do. You're like, did they ever have a period now? like It was You need to be really careful getting into that because we were talking about earlier about the junk conspiracy and things like that and You know, that's a lot because High-level performance does affect people's cycles. Anyway, as you say body factors emotional issues do and everything So there's so many things that can affect that being on the pill Massively affects your whole woman of violence and everything. So, you know, there's so many things That do affect it. I know in in soccer they've shown that you're much more likely to do your acl When you're on your cycle and that's been proven and that's happened time and time again And I was just saying, you know, so many soccer players including my daughter have ruptured their acl But you know that research was out there. They didn't didn't share it But I think going back to what you were saying about how healthy is it? To push through it sounds like it was a dream of yours from a very young age to do that So did you feel in hindsight now? Do you think there was an awful lot of pressure put on you or did you feel you still had some control over that? I definitely had control. I didn't have a family that was um Had reached a high level of sport. My mom wasn't even an athlete. So she she was more the actress in the family my dad was the athlete and um It was just like jamie's doing her thing and I used to speak a big game when I was little I said i'm gonna go to the olympics. I watched 88 and I said i'm gonna go there and I just used to talk Like I meant business and people would laugh and be like, oh good luck kid and you know, whatever This kid's just a big dreamer and I used to practice writing my signature on all my binders at school and paper And I like it was so silly. I look back at my signature and it was like hand writing but Whatever it was I was already practicing this. Yeah, I would go to competitions with my coach I'd point to the signs that said welcome skaters and I would say are they gonna have that at nationals or at the olympics when i'm there And so I was just always speaking this right like we know visualization and speaking are powerful Like an I am right. So I was doing this without someone telling me to do it. So um I when I got to a certain level my mom was like, wow, okay I guess she's we're going to nationals now Like she just kind of rolled with that she didn't really understand what was happening Which is really kind of a blessing in disguise because she because she just let me be me and she was just my mom um And there's a whole nother story to my relationship with my mom that is was a struggle with she had massive depression, but You know, I was like skating was my outlet. I didn't have um a really healthy home life My parents were divorced and I didn't really see my dad. My mom was depressed and cried herself to sleep most nights She was really struggling and so and I was bullied a lot at school And um like I was I'm short So I was made my height was made fun of the way I walked my haircuts I I didn't have fashionable clothes because my mom couldn't afford it was like skating or or fashion So I was always picked on and I used to hide in the bathroom or the library in the library because I didn't want to go outside and get laughed at or made fun of and so Skating was my my outlet my release. I would go there and brace you talked about this with like Expression and I could really express myself on the ice And I'm so grateful I had that because if I didn't have that as a kid I feel like I would have just rebelled and got into a really dark place and um, but I got on the ice every day And I just was like I felt free and happy and then Next thing I knew I was getting put in pairs at 12 years old and I'm like, what is this and then I realized I could fly I was like I can be thrown around and fly in the air. Yes. So then um, You know, I took I made a go at that with that partner and we did fairly well for what You know as far as we could go and then I had a taste of where I could go Which was where I wanted to be at the olympics and I said to my coach here in Edmonton. I said You know, we need to find myself a partner that is going to take me to the top And so it was three years between my first partner and David And it was real struggle for me because I hated singles. I did not enjoy doing single skating But that's what I was doing in in the interim And it was very painful and then David came along and we watched Elena and Anton our rushing rivals in in 98 We did a tryout together and we watched them together At the glenora club where we skated here and we were sitting in the bar watching going You know, we could be there right because we had tried out two years prior in 96 And he was told not to skate with me because I was fat. I was like two pounds overweight. Yeah So I'm like, we you know, we could be there and I was trying to rub it in a little bit But anyway, so there we were 98 we started skating and then 2002 we were In the middle of a judging scandal When you guys have a lot of chemistry on on the uh, you skates I mean as as a layman as someone that knows nothing about figure skating or any type of winter sports really Um, uh, you you can tell that you guys had such a uh, and I think it was in the peacock documentary where you said we were soulmates on the ice Like you guys were meant to do this together and you talk about your what in the bug of agita They talk a lot about dharma what dharma is and even though we come into this This life in a third density body through the veil of amnesia where we can't remember anything a lot of times we have Draws and passions that are part of our soul contract and it's almost like from a young child You knew that part of your soul contract Was to be on the ice and that's you knew it you knew it and so that was your dharma You just went with that and we've talked about that off off camera about this whole contracting Especially with the scandal that happened in 2002 Um, and if you guys just to put it out there for those watching there is a netflix documentary called and i'll link this in my Description box called uh bad sport That features your scandal and then there's a great for the americans out there. There's a great peacock Like what five episode or four? It's a it's a four episodes. It's multi and it's it's goes into a lot of detail into um all four of the skaters that were involved And the judges and what happened, but uh, do you want to just give a little synopsis of kind of what happened? Yeah, well, it's it's tough to make it really short, but i'll do my best so we we had gotten to the olympics and We knew that and the media was building it up that it was the russians against the canadiens But the chinese were very good as well So there was the three of us But generally that the russians and the canadiens were going for gold and it was the battle of the two of the four of us And so in after the short program we both had skated well, but we fell on our ending position So they had a second which was totally fine. We we were fine being second. We like being the hunters, right? So um That kind of just alleviated the the pressure. I guess going into the long program. So then um, how that went was uh There was a team that skated first then the russians then us and then the chinese and um, I believe it was an american team that skated first brace So um the warm-up was intense, you know, it's it's the finals. It's the olympics and um at the last minute I always skate around to do a double jump and um At the opposite end where actual first jump is in our program and I purposely went more towards the judges on that side of the arena And I saw the russian skating around the opposite end But I thought they were going to go diagonally down the ice and they ended up doing an s pattern So we ended up meeting and colliding on our warm-up I don't know if anybody room a lot of people remember that but it was pretty traumatic and uh Well dramatic it like I just remember hearing everyone like Gasped for air and I could like almost hear the commentators going. Oh my gosh, is this going to be You know a problem or I just it was like my whole world just went like in slow motion And I because I couldn't breathe I was down on the ice and I'd gotten the balloon off out of me But we gathered ourselves up and we we all got off and um, we heard the russian skate We heard a mistake. We heard a oh, we heard the crowd react So then in my mind naturally you go Okay, the door is open and you don't wish for your competitors to make mistakes But this was like one little slip up can make the difference between gold and silver between the two of us So we're like, okay, the door is open And then so it was our turn to skate and we had a fairly flawless skate It wasn't I don't like seeing perfect because I don't know if there is such a thing is perfect but it was pretty flawless and then um, we're sitting there waiting for our marks and the first set of marks was like We we did it and so we were reacting going oh my god, we're gonna win this is unbelievable and then second artistic impression comes up which is usually kind of the At that point that would have helped us win But it was like not and the ordinal two came up and we were sitting there going Did we just miss something like what happened? Let's talk about the audience reaction too because Oh my god like and I know that half of that arena is probably people who are familiar with the sport of ice skating But I know as someone who's been to the olympics you go to sporting events that you know nothing about You're just there to watch and the and as a layman I watched both of the performances on youtube guys. You can google it and I told you I was like I saw it I mean y'all were smooth like you made it look easy And that's y'all made it look like it was like I could go out there and do it no problem Like that's what and I've never been on ice skates But you know so that's how y'all made it look and that takes a lot of a lot of control and so you hear the audience Just in disbelief too about that's how obvious it was That something wasn't right Something wasn't right. I think people were trying to be polite, but at the same time they're reacting to what they're What you're just saying they were reacting to like what did we miss here? Like the canadiens were clean And so they did it was it was an eerie feeling in the arena like of the reaction from the audience You could look over at the judges panel and like our canadian judge was just sitting there like this And then some of them were just like like stoic like they have nothing no look on their face and It was really bizarre and then the poor chinese had to skate right after us Felt so bad for them and they did a quad throw like it was pretty spectacular And but she didn't stick to the landing all the way But it was impressive, but it was like everyone was talking And going like what just happened what just happened? So then we finish and it's metal ceremony time and you know, I'm on the podium I'm trying not to cry, but I'm like I'm not in the right spot like I'm supposed to be there You know I was trying not to be a bad sport about this bad sport I I was really wanting to make sure that they had their time and you know as much as I was hurting and sad You know it is what it is and we knew from when we were little kids going growing up in the sport that it was subjective And if you know, sometimes you win when you shouldn't sometimes you're gonna you're gonna be fifth when you shouldn't Yeah, which is so even just saying that is so stupid, but that's how it was So that was the night, you know, I'm sitting there going wow This is like they have really changed the rest trajectory of my career You know because if you ask any athlete that has a pro life after you know being a silver medalist It's still amazing. It's wonderful. But you know your worth is that much less I hate to talk about it like that But as a gold medalist all the sponsors want you, you know, you get asked to do other shows like you're the Everyone wants you like and sometimes a silver medalist is the bigger story Which it turned out to be but at that time you're in your head. You're like well, that's it, you know I'm not going to have the same career So we skate around after we get our medals and our flowers and the canadian cbc The cbc group came down this french group came down and said to my partner There's a scandal there's a fix with french judge and he's saying something and so we're skating off and he's saying There's a french judge scandal blah blah blah and i'm like what What so they knew that that quickly then so And i'll explain catherine so we find out afterwards That it was it was already being talked about there was a buzz like People in the skating world knew there was it was already being talked about the french judge even told our judge back in like I think it was november the year before that he had to vote for the russians Even though he really liked us and our judge went excuse me Like what are you talking about so he decided to stay quiet Because he said i wanted to get to the olympics and see if i could you know Stop this corruption like you know i i have no he had no problem with russians winning if they were if it was their night to win But he knew that this fix was in and he's like i wanted to to go to get there and make sure i could you know Have some say in this And so can i just say um because we all know there's other subjects that this resonate with to do with voting in politicians And things like this amongst many other things But i suppose they had to be caught in the app because if he just said something before he'd have needed absolute Proof and what would have happened if he'd have been removed from the situation so you're almost i'm just bringing that to the awareness because there's so much talk and Casting of blame and what people would do in those situations, but it's pretty complex situation for someone in that situation like him, isn't it It's like now right now with what we're dealing with the censorship You're a doctor and you're trying to speak up and say what you've experienced or what you've gone through with your patients You're now You're now losing your license Billified your d platform to all this. It's the same thing if if his name was benoit or is benoit He said if i would have said something they would have found a way for me not to be there Exactly so Oh, it's so hot and that's what i just wanted to bring that up to people because it's so easy to sit back As someone not intimately involved, but they're these decisions are really complex and if you you can't You you can't commit a crime and you have to commit the crime To be held Just sit there and commit someone on oh, we think they were going to do this There's a rumor When you have to see what what she was going to do too Like was she gonna because if there could have been talk of this, but if she had voted In the appropriate manner, then it would have nullified everything and y'all And there would have been no, you know, so There were four other judges with her that's where I go. Okay Well, she was the one that went back to the hotel after the event and she confessed as you saw in I believe even more in the peacock one where she confesses get to um a judge her colleagues and she's crying and she feels guilty and And then obviously that stirred things up and everything but there were four other judges that were with her So why were they not talked about I was like this is so weird It's perfect to account jamie. Were they held to account? Were they prosecuted? Were they did they find out who would who? You see the thing is who forced them to do it. That's where I guess we're all interesting Probably tell you that they felt the Russians were better. That's what they would probably tell you and even she goes back She admits what she was told to do, but then she retracts that and tries to go back and say no the Russians were better And and we're all sitting like so now you you just lied like you went like it was so confusing Six days between our skate and our and the co gold medal that we got given It was such a roller coaster of like every day There was something new coming out about what she said or what they were discovering or what was happening It was so wild you guys and that's why they had to Like basically shut it down because the story was taking over the olympics Yeah, like we are just too, you know sort of small town canadian kids that just wanted to go have fun and come home with a gold medal and We were in the middle of a media frenzy and we were literally Reporters were fighting and cameras were flying and like it was crazy We were being followed by like I don't know what you call them and like the secret police like undercover Like we were yes because I got involved right Well, and I don't even this is so bad This is how I'm not I don't pay attention But like the canadian one too and like yeah, they were all following us because they were worried that we were going to get harmed Because there was obviously threats that were coming in but we don't we didn't hear about it at the time We just hear about these things afterwards So I have to be honest with your viewers even like a lot of these things that ended up coming out even about the Russian mob guy like we we used to just sit there and go Like we had no idea no idea at the time And then and then more stuff would come out and we're just sitting there going Holy this is just getting better Like it was like we were watching a movie and brice you said something that dave said in the interview It was so good. Like it was so funny. He because her her partner. He's quite funny I've noticed in a lot of his he's got a very good sense of humor And that is one thing I said to you off-camera too like if you all watch these documentaries Jamie and david Handled this with such humor in a lot of ways and that is a sign of somebody who is very spiritually mature Humor is the highest level of spirituality when you can actually kind of like Years later like laugh about the situation because here and I think people can relate to you guys because Most people in the world are small town kids Most people in the world are you guys you aren't just two canadiens you represented Humanity like the normal like you've worked your butt off here. You are you're naive to the fact you think everybody's integral Like everybody's taken pledges. They're gonna vote with their because you would you would do that You have honor But and so when all this happens dave said he goes here. I was practicing my love story Meanwhile, there's a russian mafia The russian mafia is already fixed in the game the way he said I was about my love story But the russian mafia is already fixing it And it was just the way he said it it was like I applaud him because it was just political That and how would everybody watching that? I think that's why people grew so In love with you guys in that in that event because they saw themselves in you They they they connected with the fact that this is not fair This is not fair and you said something on david show and I said it to you after where it hit me Where you said the russians weren't supposed to mess up well Yeah, I say that just because like at that level, you know, they're generally pretty flawless. Yeah, Pretty flawless, but that's what I mean by they weren't supposed to like you're You know They're always great and they still beautiful victims as well. weren't they I mean how awful that They've got a gold medal and how awful to have all this controversy about it for them because they I'm assuming they knew nothing about this. I mean Well, we're assuming that yeah, but I mean the one thing I will say that was really interesting that we all Warming up backstage. We always took our corners and what we noticed at the olympics, which was never done before with them was they came into our space And they'd never done that before and brice is the first time you're hearing this too And this is this is where I laughed at myself afterwards when I we were told when we were on tour by another russian that this is their That's their tactic. That's their way of kind of trying to psych you Psych us. Yeah psych us out or rattle us a little bit. It's just come in come into your space where you're warming up Well, guess what? I was thinking the whole time I was like, oh, this is so nice that they're being friendly like they're coming near us But you don't know how much is the coach because again you get on a lot of um field sports Where, you know, they're told to do tactics like that like you delay the throw in you do this You get a bit close to quick shaft So how much is at the individual level and how much but one thing that really hit from the story you were just telling there obviously There's a lot of synchronicities with your story of what you went through back then what was that 20 years ago And what we're seeing now and one thing that just came into my mind. Yes There was this huge scandal But I wonder what else they were distracting from that was going on there Because you know, I know you guys are doing a deep dive into the olympics and a lot of shall we say the Can we say the all word? Well, the art. We'll just say the artistic interpretation Of what's going on there and you'll be opening ceremonies and this was the olympic So I went back and watched salt lake city's opening And this was the olympics immediately Following the big event that happened in the united states in 2001 and I got sick to my stomach because they brought out The american flag that had been under I have to be under the rubble basically And of course as americans as the athletes holding it you feel like you're honoring But then you've got president bush over there and you're like, what are they doing? What's going on now? You're like, what kind of mockery is this that's happening? As far as the general public and I'm sure other countries too You're feeling the emotions and everything that happened because we're human beings, right? Regardless of what country we're from we're all human beings. We can all relate to tragedy regardless of and have that At least us normal us 99 percent normal people. Yeah, I think not a psychopaths Not a psychopaths. We can feel that for other people regardless of whether we're the same country or not We still feel that pain for them. Um So it's like, oh my god, they're harvesting these emotions and something else is happening But it's interesting though what with with y'all scandal with with um, the mistake if they had not have made those mistakes It would not have been clear that there was At all And then we're also involving the ice dance team because the french team. She's russian Yeah, and it was when the russian mobster guy got brought into the whole Thing months later. We found out in august, which is what four months five months later So we found out about him. He was connected. They they caught him and the russian ice dancer Uh, they had recorded a phone call that they had so Like he was working with the athlete. I'm just like so we were things are just None of the documentaries they talk about them, but they don't focus on them and I went back and I was like Who are these people and I was like looking them up and like what the hell is happening? And the russian guy mobster guy, I guess was connected to One of the documentaries and excuse me for not for remembering because I've watched both of them a while ago now But my girlfriend brought it up to me the other day and she said yeah, he's it said in there Or they said something was either printed or or was said that he was involved with that and now that we know We know that goes on at these big events like you just want to be sick Because you know here this guy anyway, it's just it's so disturbing. But again as athletes I don't know any athletes personally and I've been around a long time that know what goes on like this darkness And yes, we know that there's judging bias and there's going to be you know Scandals here and there there's been toe tapping where judges are like letting each other know what they're how they're placing that scare Like we've seen it But not to the level that we know now what this is really about per se And i'm not necessarily saying that like I was running my sport my my event that night, but um There's something there's something so much deeper in all this. I know that now and you can see it and again just seeing like What happened even months later and the stuff that came out. What else haven't they talked about? What else happened they revealed like What they let leak but and that's what I said when you watch especially the peacock documentary because it goes in so much detail You start thinking what okay if this is all about money Then it's easy to be like now i'm good. I'm gonna i'm not going to do this. What are they holding over people's heads? What I mean Let's start a type of situation to force them into these Because it is the french judge you believe like when you what it's it's obvious She admitted to this and then she all of a sudden retract And she's not fooling anybody like in my opinion. She's not fooling anybody. We know what she said to the head person Um, that story has never changed coming from her You know, no matter what gaslighting is trying to be done to cover that up But it's it's it's just and I said to you jamie like I feel like even though it's a 20 year mark People could say oh, that's why it's been 20 years No, I feel like there's a bigger purpose as to why this is resurfacing now Because we kept saying like we first did the netflix one right before Covid started and the fact that it's a netflix one has put it significant anyway Well, they were doing the the group was from england catherine and they came over and they they told us that they were in charge of the skating story and There were five other documentaries that they were recording like filming that were about scandal And I was like, well, that's interesting and we just think oh, okay They're just trying to expose some crazy things that go on in sports. Well, then we're in the middle of this stuff and you're going Well, because they were also a year delayed in getting it out. That was the other thing that was really interesting They said oh, it'd be out this august Which was like the first august of And then it came out the following year and then that was right when we just already got started getting interviewed for this The peacock one and I remember thinking why is our story so popular again right now like it's 20 years old like You know even 19 20 years old. Why is the spring being brought up again? Yeah, exactly Was netflix kind of taken over by the good guys Right that I mean I went and I said to you on david show the 20 year. That's a karmic cycle And it's almost like I know I don't hope you hope you don't mind me saying this one camera I said to you off camera and of course I can't speak for anybody's like soul contracts That's between you and god, but it almost feels like the four of you You and david and anton and elaine had a mission Maybe you didn't remember but there was some karmic like that's definitely a karmic Tie that the floor you have And and it's bigger it's it's like it's and I get it's almost like y'all were strong enough God said the four of you are strong enough Well, it's funny if you asked us in our human meat suit right now. We've all four of us would go hell no Right, but you know, we all wanted to come home with our gold medals. It wasn't like. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, there was a spiritual contract, but actually that is interesting because I've I've Really dove into the spiritual side of You know our beingness and everything and it like that made sense to me when you said that I went. Oh my gosh Yeah, maybe we had an agreement to do you know and I mean in the fact that it's coming back up We don't have all the answers as to why things are being resurfaced, but we know that you can't you have to really like I mean for us that are awake When we were learning these things we didn't learn it all at once we followed rabbit trails, right We followed these trails and to bring this back up and the fact that more people are well Like the Olympics that just happened bless those athletes heart. No one was aware that it was going even going on The Olympics used to be one of the biggest things in the world and now like nobody even we're so like Our world is so chaotic that we're not even like Aware of things and so it's like, okay, let's revisit this Look at this guys. Look at what's happening and and I do want to put that out there No, we talked about this on my show too like People like jamie David the russians they they they are not Doing the party drug they are not Yeah, they are hard working and I want I want athletes to because that you guys reserve deserve all the respect in the world For the sacrifices you've made for the fact that you obviously do have raw talent that then had to be refined And worked on through incredible discipline You know it takes discipline to to train your body the body's an always ever ever flowing changing things So it's not like one practice in your good It's a lifetime of working with and working as a payer and working with each other's bodies and and y'all all deserve Y'all all y'all that's a big something or y'all deserve Deserve all the respect in the world and just because the Olympics might be tainted Doesn't mean the athletes are No, and I want people to be able to separate that separate the two It's just like we were saying Catherine just because disney world is bad Doesn't mean that all the employees are involved in their shenanigans Exactly, and I think this is so important for people to Understand and hear yours your perspective on that jamie because throughout the last few years We've heard that everyone in hollywood everyone in music Everyone in politics Everyone in sport and the thing is people have to see people as individuals because You've very clearly got a lot of experience and and also a huge amount of contacts over the years of people that have been performing at your level So talk us through your experience of that You know what I do want to say too is when we're amateur athletes at the olympics Yes, we're not professional. So I think you know when you you're hearing about athletes that are involved in the the The drinking of the check children stuff. Are we allowed to say that on here? That's as far as we could say. That's fine. Yeah Did well, okay So With that, I don't know. I I I just found out about that through my awakening. First of all There was a pair team back. I don't remember when they skated I don't know how long ago, but they used there was rumors that they were drinking their urine and that made me sick. I was like Drinking urine like no, thanks. So the fact that you know to think of even drinking the other stuff That's red is just absolutely like I just want to almost vomit in my mouth right now. Like it just makes me sick and so I don't know anyone that's even knows about it or Like it's not a thing. It's not at all of considerate. I didn't even touch protein powder Because they were we were told that there might be something in a specific in that protein powder that you're drinking That could be an illegal substance, but it doesn't have it in the ingredients Like yeah, so we're just like super clean But the point is there might be some athletes that are involved in that But it wouldn't I don't think in the amateur world like we're so like as much as it was a high level event You know, we're not big. I don't know and I'm not trying to call any any sports out here or anything But um, you know, we might find out when this all comes out that there were specific athletes specific ones in the professional worlds like, you know, NBA and FL whatever that have have been pulled into that but I don't think that a lot of us athletes would even fathom that like it wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, that sounds great Let's do that. But I want to say no people because we know The drinking of this substance that people obviously look youthful. They have more vitality So but guys jamie is an athlete because she worked her ass off not because she was drinking something backstage And we have to think about the logics of this as well. This is a really dirty secret This is a super dirty secret this drinking of stuff and to keep something a secret You have as little people involved as possible and the ones that are involved you have to have stuff over their head So they won't tell that's what I mean and those would be the big big Right so common sense would tell you that most people are not involved because They're this the various group of controllers are not going to be that stupid To not offer this to somebody who doesn't already have something over their head to keep them quiet Does that make sense? Like these controllers are evil psychopaths, but they're not stupid They're absolutely not stupid. And so they're not just going to be passing it out like party favors in locker room No, I think it's really the drug testing that you go through as well You know, I mean, they're such stringent drug testing at all levels of sport Now, okay You've got to look at who's looking at the results and everything because yeah, but you I just think I just wanted to put it out There's I think We were talking about discernment earlier and I know from when we've had conversations jamie that it's so important to not tell everyone with the same brush and you've had You had experiences when they were making the documentaries where people would love you to Embellish things or change certain aspects of the story. You had to stay really strong to do that Yeah, well, I I I've dealt with that my whole life doing interviews where you would Speak in an interview and then the next day you would watch it on television And they would sort of take only one part of it where they wanted it to look a certain way And then they had an agenda tied to it and you're going That wasn't at all what my perception or perspective was on that interview or a written one like in the paper You would say something in this interview and then you would read the next day And it was so not what you had said and you're going like things were twisted a lot And so when I was filming getting interviewed with the netflix one They'd ask me a question and and don't get me wrong. I really loved these people. They were awesome to us But they would ask a question and I would answer it the way I wanted to answer it And it wasn't like I was trying to be someone that I wasn't I was just being me But I was answering it from my heart and then they would ask the same question But in a different way and I and I finally after the third or fourth time I actually had to say Stop trying to get me to say something I don't feel Because I can see what you're trying to do right now You're trying to get me to say something that you're you're wanting for for drama and I go I don't feel that And it's not necessarily their fault, but they are trained to do that That's right Say well, they don't have to do that But it's like this is what people need to understand that the things that we've been watching on tell vision Is Often very convoluted and twisted and it's it had there's there's an agenda to it or there's Like and I'm not saying on absolutely everything But a lot because we were supposed to do There was a book written We were reading our script and it was a made for going to be a made for tv movie back after olympics And I was reading it and it was nothing of my childhood It was a complete made up story to add more drama to my my start the start to my career And I'm reading it going this isn't right, but I wasn't in hockey and I was mortified and david I looked each other and we said we're not doing this This is ridiculous, but they said well, we have to make it more dramatic And so we kiboshed it because we said if you can't tell our story organically Then we don't want to be in we don't want this and I'm laughing because how much more dramatic do you get with a rough Yeah, like how much more dramatic do you get but but that's the level of integrity Which is something kather and I have been talking about like how many people would have been like, okay? That's cool. Give me the money Give me no, you know like just changing my story But you actually you guys actually stood in your integrity and said this is not The reality of what happened And that's how people can change history and as I said in our first episode those that control the past control the future And those that control the present control the past and if you can manipulate history You can manipulate the trajectory of the future So even in something that seems so like oh, it's just a tv show. We're just gonna We're gonna make it look good for entertaining purposes like no you're seeing what they're doing They're changing history and then programming it into over and over and over and over again So that's so important to stay in your integrity to stop that from happening you know And that comes also with the level of maturity as well Doesn't it of of having the confidence to actually stand your ground because you can see A lot of times when you're younger, you know, you've got some teenagers that that haven't necessarily got the Self-confidence of the tools under their toolkit to actually say no to a lot of things So it's very easy to twist anything that anyone wants to say if you've got that agenda and I think That's so obvious now to anyone that's watching this program I mean we we've seen that you just cannot believe what you're said what you're hearing a lot of the time or seeing It's so common And again the viewers are watching this and so we get the story in our head of how this athlete is or whatever and and it can be bad or good, but it's like It's not necessarily true Yeah, it's not just in sport. I mean, I know I knew someone 25 years ago We have a documentary series over here called horizon and they were interviewed for a business interview for horizon and this is a long while ago must be about 20 25 years ago and they have the interview for the program And then when it was aired they put a completely different set of questions to it So it was completely twisted What was said and that was someone I personally know and you're just like wow What it's that planning that goes into these things And and so my point is is I just have really come to sort of been awakening of the last few Months of just like, you know what? We've had so many things said about so many people in the public eye that we don't know And just to be really cautious about what you're believing because it's very easy to make up rumors about all sorts of people I'm not saying that these awful things aren't going on. Oh my goodness. I'm not saying that at all But to tar everyone with the same brush Yes, don't know them personally Um, and when you start to see the level of manipulation that goes on at every level, I think is really really dangerous Yeah, well, I even as you're talking I'm sitting here thinking of like the big guys like You know in the nba or the nfl like those guys that get invited to the hollywood Events and the parties and stuff like that maybe where things happen But in general like most athletes are just living their life and competing and you know It's it's not it's not even I bet a lot of athletes don't even know about that stuff that party substance that they're drinking Again, I don't even know what it. I know I didn't If I had to bet I would bet that most athletes in their prime probably live pretty boring lives Yeah, no because we're disciplined Yeah, and I will say like I know athletes that that work really hard and play really hard Um, but now it these days like athletes aren't what they were in the 80s Like they don't party like we didn't touch alcohol And if you're that serious and you're trying to make it to that level in your sport, whether it's you know the world cup or The Stanley cup final or whatever you're in, you know, you you're you're you're doing whatever you can to be the best you can be So an alcohol and drugs aren't part of that and partying going to parties and staying out late and having that fun that a lot of my friends did Um, and and bryce you said something earlier about sacrificing That is one thing when I did public talks. I would always say we never we didn't sacrifice. We made a decision. We made a choice And I never felt like I sacrificed, you know, not having, you know, the social life or going to parties or whatever I said I made a decision and I made a choice to be a competitive High-level athlete and so I never saw it like that. If anybody made sacrifices, it would be my mom Yeah, who sacrificed her income And to take care of my skating and let me do what I wanted to do Isn't it and she didn't have She I mean, there were months where we'd have she'd have 50 dollars left in her bank account Like I look at now right I look at my bank account sometimes and it gets down to like 300 bucks I'm like, uh, you know, and she she was like paying for my skating Working her tail off as an interior decorator and trying to make my life great But she had nothing You know, we lived in a two-bedroom apartment and like it was very simple We had patio furniture for a table and chairs and I used to crank up the umbrella to sit under because I thought that was kind of cool like Yeah And I should we shopped at like the thrift stores because we couldn't afford the fancy clothes the brand name clothes I used to borrow my girlfriend's stuff because I wanted to feel cool at school. But yeah I mean, so remember your mom remember your mom chose that as well because we're moms now And she said we would do exactly the same, you know But I know what you mean. I think people, you know the whole family It's such an involvement for the whole family But it must be so wonderful. Jamie to have that to look back on. I mean, you know People talk about finding their purpose in life and you must have as I said learned so many things now that you're coming forward Into your life coaching your own personal life and and the next stage of your journey you're on So what what's next for you? Oh? Well, what's next for all of us? We need um, you know, I it's very confusing time for me right now. I keep getting a download though that says stay still be still and You know when we talk about like we hear we have thoughts or we hear a voice or whatever I get these downloads it just says be still right now and I I've I don't like the word lost People in my in my past Recent life have transitioned out of it because of my decisions around my beliefs around all this So my world has been really rocked including a marriage ending and my 14 year old son not wanting to talk to me because I'm a lunatic and Like I there's a lot of things that I need Like when all this comes out I feel like the world's going to be very challenging for a while And um, which is going to be okay because we need things to change But I don't really feel the need to go into a career or like find a job I don't feel that like that's what I'm going to be doing and Bryce we've talked about this like I know there's going to be I'm a connector. I love speaking with people like helping people So there will be something for me in in that aspect where maybe I'm helping the people that are Waking up and they're struggling with it. I don't know but um, I definitely Really loved what I did as a coach. I was helping people achieve their dreams And um, but there's so much even in that I feel has been infiltrated now that I'm sitting at it It's like oh like what hasn't been infiltrated So I'm kind of waiting for things to I don't know what the right word is but like get exposed And then we start living in the new earth 2.0 Whatever we're calling it like I need to kind of be in that space And then I feel like everything will open up to us and we'll see things clearer Everything will fall into place. That's what I think a lot of people have asked Especially with our friend Stephanie who reads like what's my new job? What am I supposed to do in the new and a lot of times like even in divination it The spirit world won't tell you And I think because they want us to be in this moment right now and to feel all our feels and to move through The humanness of what we're moving through in order to be in a better place when that day happens But I do I've told you jamie. I think that you're gonna have a huge job And um, you know, I think that there is a definitely a karmic cycle happening You the four of you were souls that were strong enough to deal with what you dealt with and that's I tell that to You know we talk about love one a lot and it says there that for this timeline in history Everybody was lining up to come to earth right now and ride this roller coaster and god only or whatever You want to call universe god source only pick the souls? That were strong enough to be here right now And so that sells a lot about all three of us and everybody watching right now like you are a warrior You are picked to be here. That's why they attack so hard It's they don't want you to know that that you are so special And um, and I will say now I've said this almost every episode jamie, but I mean it I've said it with shon stone you guys who already had fame who already had notoriety Who made the decision to start speaking? It would have been very easy for you just to have your beliefs and not say anything Just to go along with it to get along and we're seeing a lot of people that are doing that But you decided to make that to be integral and to spread the truth because it's about humanity And those of you that are already had those platforms have really taken a lot of unnecessary abuse And I know Catherine I've experienced it too But on a such a smaller scale than what you guys have experienced and for that I will always have so much respect For those of you who have done that and I'm going to put jamie's twitter link down in my description Guys go follow her Because um, it's so much It's nothing special. No, I and but it's so much easier when you're I mean my platform on twitter was built off of Esoteric Atlanta. So very rarely do I deal with a troll very rarely exactly same with me. Yeah And so but jamie's got statements, you know, like and so you guys go follow her so you can she can Give that support back to her because I know and somebody has said that multiple people have said to me about you jamie Like in messages like the fact that you were somebody that we want that people watched on tv That you were somebody on at the cover of magazines And that you're speaking the truth the same truth that they believe it gives them hope Them them courage. So you are I'm gonna get emotional Just you saying being truthful. I don't want to make you so emotional. Um You're helping other people Well, okay, brice is this emotional time here may be supposed to be encouraging But it's because it's because of people like the two of you that got me speaking I was healing all last year because of all the things I was going through and I was really struggling getting gaslit every day ridiculed shamed Dumped like I got all kinds of nasty things and I wasn't even on social media Then I stayed off of it and then january got this like it's go time you stand up It's you're ready you are ready for this and I found you guys last year all of you And you know, obviously we're finding out that there are some of the People on youtube that aren't authentic or real, but that's okay. You know what? Take the good with you know with whatever people gave you but The point being is that you guys gave me strength And to see that there was such a huge community in in your world of speaking truth that I was like, okay I'm so not alone and I know it's like we know we're on the right side of what's true Like the the stuff that's going on and because we see it once you see it you can't unsee it but It's it was so challenging for me until I saw again Your talks and your Your courage and your truth and I went like It's okay. You know what you're gonna get backlash You're gonna get this and I kind of had to go through that storm a little bit with people coming at me But one thing I will say is interesting with this whole twitter thing is I had I would post something It started off with me liking things and I got absolutely annihilated just for liking things Super ridiculous, isn't it who even notices what people are liking? But I was I was trying to be quiet, right? Like I'm just like like like and I got annihilated then I was like, okay I'll repost some of these people that I follow. Okay, then that was bad again Well, then all of a sudden this whole Elon musk thing and whatever happened Um, I also gained probably about 2,000 followers, which isn't huge, but what I really noticed was Someone someone would come after me with some like a not nice comment and 15 people will attack them Not attack in a mean way, but tell them like hey get lost or those I never had that before. Yeah, it's so important. I think the people that are standing up are Really strong No, yeah, I think um We need to get our friend Liz to make us all t-shirts saying we are a danger to society Tell you how many times I've been told that and how many times people have um Deleted me from what sat groups and um not been invited out to the gatherings and things like this and it is quite You know, I laugh about it some, you know now, but I do sometimes have a cry about it But you have to make space in your life. Don't you if you're if you're going to Really be authenticated yourself if you don't Let go of relationships from both ways They have to let go of you if you're not serving them and you have to let go of them and then this amount of space for Us all to get together. Yes And I on that t-shirt note, um, I you know the the convoy thing that happened in Canada We were called the front the fringe minority, right? Okay, so I made my a group of my girls of all of us that are in the same mindset I made us all I got t-shirts. They were purple because purple was supposed to significant Signify freedom. So they're purple and they say fringe minority And then I even had a sweatshirt that had like I've had my two shots and it was like shot glasses of like, yeah Exactly But I'm yeah, I'm trying it's like I'm not trying to make fun of the people that got it or whatever It's just trying to make light of the situation. But um, the fringe minority is my favorite We are so not a minority Did you hear what mr. B said yesterday about the m movement? I'll just say the m the ma, you know that movement. Um, he said what I'm paraphrasing like that were the biggest In or something or I'm like Literally 80 of america is what you're talking about right now like literally I mean, there are still mr. T flags hanging on people's houses because Every Everyone knows as I said, I haven't saw everyone knows that shit steaks in Denmark that something wasn't you know That's someone right and so um, so it's it's kind of comical at this point because it's such a farce It's such good friends and members of my family who Seriously believe and have told me on new investigations that no one in the whole world thinks like I do I'm just a complete freak of nature. And you know, it's hysterical. I cannot wait I mean, I I'm not waiting for anything, but I'm just like, um Hello But again, I you just have to laugh or you cry and you did say have I got my glass of wine here But I've got water at the moment, but yeah Sometimes it helps and I'm very soon we can all get together as well You're having one big party. We're right talked about this. We're gonna when I can fly I can't even fly within my own country. Like this is Yeah, yeah, no restrictions here This is odd. This is odd. This is what I can't but this will have to be for the next discussion because I've got to go and get My poor horses now But I think you know, isn't this fascinating how you can't fly on your own country And yet the uk at the moment and I'm touching wood I don't want to bring anything to think but we've got no restrictions here at all doesn't mean people aren't still doing silly things But you know, isn't this weird? How does that work out? I can fly to England, but I can't drive to canada We are we are I can't say we're getting at the hardest because australia seem to be not good There's something about canada and I told brice. I'm like, I didn't realize how dark things were here But because we're all just so happy and polite to whatever but like it's just so crazy to think That and I I posted that brice It was a picture of you know the globe Like all of our countries and canadas and red and it's the only country and everyone's like that's not true And I'm like, well, can you show me another country that can't fly within their own country? Yeah, show me like I they say it's on some site and I go I've tried to look it up and I can't find anything So I don't know it's whatever the point is You know the data is out people right and I'm not saying I'm not shaming again. It's just the data is out, especially here I don't know about in the states but or in the uk but here that it's like majority in the hospitals right now And yet they can have family members in there with them if they're sick or dying Yet if we are any of our family members who aren't Go into a hospital. I can't go in with them like there. It's that crazy here. It's a lot. It's just sick We start explain this just be like that me when you explain your frisbeck. Listen, we both conspiracy theorists now We they're like it's not adding up. We're both good. You know, it's not adding up You know it. We're both conspiracy theorists now so You got 78 percent or value during the hospital And yet you're telling me who's healthy like even willing to do a test to come in with a family member that I can't come in Yeah, just Does it make sense? Yeah, and then everyone's just walking around like oh just get your job So we can move on. It's you're the problem. I'm like So you so we can keep you safe. Oh my god I know that the world is completely inverted and I think you hit the nail on the head when you said You know back canada and australia having it worse Those would be the two countries before this happened that people would say they'll be all right there This won't happen where they are and it just shows about And china how much the veil has lifted and how much we're really finding out about things and thank god because you sound It perfectly jamie, you know once you see you cannot unsee and this is why I feel so confident I feel so confident because you don't ever go back There's not one single person. I know That moved on to be a conspiracy nutter that's gone back to the mainstream. It just doesn't happen No, no It's everything But don't why I'm normal because you can't fly I'll send my unicorn over for you and you can come on that so Thank you or your spaceship Yeah, exactly all spaceships and other ones we must oh it's so lovely connecting. Thank you so much We will put all your links below Um, and I'm pretty sure we will be back ladies for another installment and um on brice's channel Obviously if anyone watching it online You will see the first interview that brice and jamie did together with stefanie as well, wasn't it? So, um, please do go and watch that because that covers a whole different aspect of things as well Yeah, have a great day evening wherever you are and thank you so much for watching everyone Bye guys. Bye