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If we could have a roll call Share what's here board member Grable Board member Walsh here Great, thank you. And just a reminder to all the members to please mute your phones and microphones when you're not speaking So we will open it up to public comment So we're taking public comments on item two if you wish to make a comment via zoom Please raise your hand if you are dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand Secretary Aitha. Do we have any live or email or voicemail public comments at this time? We have no public comments. Thank you. So we are now taking Comments on the previous minutes If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please raise your hand if you are dialing in via telephone Please dial star nine to raise your hand secretary Aitha. Do we have any live email or voicemail public comments for the minutes? We have no public comments Great, so we will accept the minutes as is unless there is any any changes All right, so we will get started and we will move to item 4.1 director Burke if you could introduce this item Thank you chair Watson members of the committee. We appreciate you all making time to get together today for this subcommittee meeting I think everyone is very aware that we have been dealing with Some successive dry years and are concerned about drought conditions We've been doing a lot of work and outreach to get information out to our community and working closely with Sonoma water and the other contractors as we're preparing to get through this year and also prepare for future years and so the item today specifically is a request for a recommendation to the board of public utilities and subsequent city council Regarding a resolution requesting a community wide 20 voluntary reduction in water use and deputy director what a resources peter martin will be leading us off on this item Thank you, uh, director Burke and um, good morning, uh chair watz and members of the committee I'm gonna try to bring up my screen here real quick. So just give me a moment and be able to see it now, right? looking good all right so, um, yeah Lots lots to discuss today. It's been very busy for staff. Um, we've been kind of just taking in information from a fire hose on sort of, uh watershed conditions and water supply conditions and trying to come up Uh with game plan and we've been planning for this for quite a while. So, um today, I'll just be sharing a lot of the latest information and how we're going to proceed with pursuing a voluntary Water conservation request from a community wide basis So this slide right here is just sort of a kind of where we're at with regards to rainfall totals this year It's been very dry again We're in a kind of a second successive year of critically dry weather At this time last year, uh rainfall Interestingly was was higher in santa rosa than it was in yukia We must have had a couple storms that just sort of You know pointed I guess the fire hose towards santa rosa and missed the upper watershed But as you can see When you're really comparing the two Where we're at this year is not that different from where we were last year and That was the third driest year on record in 127 years record years of record keeping in the upper watershed. So Yeah, this is just a a very a very dry period in our water history and We're hearing a lot about how snow water is responding to that and continuing to move forward throughout the remainder of the water year So this graphic I don't typically show to the bpu, but I thought it was timely Right now given kind of some of the things that are going on in the upper watershed Um storage in lake pillsbury is currently just below 40 000 acre feet Or under 50 percent of their targeted water supply for this time of year pgne has been managing their water supply Throughout the year and had requested a variance For some of their flows out of lake pillsbury earlier in the year as you all remember Which is not uncommon during dry years, but um, this is very much well below their historical lows for the operation of lake pillsbury And so they've they've been making pretty minimal releases into the east fork of the russian river as a result Which obviously has some impacts on lake mendicino downstream as well I did find out That this month The potter valley irrigation district was notified by pgne That they will see More than 50 percent reduction in their contracted amount That they get typically in any given year. So the impacts are definitely being felt throughout all parts of the russian river annual river watersheds and so just definitely Kind of not not a lot of great news to share out there So lake mendicino is currently at about 36 000 acre feet of storage and reservoir outflows Have been kind of bouncing around 25 to 30 cfs per their requirements under the temporary change order that they filed back in february We did hear yesterday at the water advisory committee That they've been having to make routine adjustment to flows to make sure that they're continuing to ensure compliance with that temporary change order And then we were also kind of reminded that the order expires at the end of july for that Flow regime that they have under the temporary change order Um, and that we were notified too by staff of snow water that if that's not extended and there are not substantial reductions in diversions by the folks in the upper watershed They could see significant impacts to lake mendicino by the end of october Yesterday kind of snow water staff really just sort of emphasized Uh, the critical nature of the situation in the upper russian river Just to remind everyone that snow water doesn't necessarily have control over a lot of the folks That divert water in the upper russian river And they're working pretty closely with those folks in the upper watershed right now To talk about various agreements that could be made To kind of reduce overall the versions upstream So, um current storage in lake sonoma Is about 149 000 acre feet Or about 61 of the target water supply curve for this time of year How flow Today it was about 100 cfs The typical flows for the dry time of year or dry situation under decision 1610 is the 75 cfs requirement But they've been trying to adhere to that as much as possible so, um This was a Pretty interesting event for us in this month Governor Newsom stood in lake mendicino and kind of the dry lake bed Under what i've told is typically About 40 feet underwater And made a decoration of a drought emergency Her proclamation, excuse me of a drought emergency in Sonoma and Mendicino counties And he really kind of hit the fact that this new normal The climate change just really gives urgency to continuing to build drought resilience Not only in this region but across the state And there's a good like all likelihood that we'll see continued prolonged droughts occurring in the future He did talk a little bit about some of the successes that Sonoma waters had through The forecast informed reservoir operations and how they've been able to Manage that as an example, but just to kind of acknowledge that that's always not not always enough But this proclamation Essentially requests coordination for additional state resources To various departments that could help the region including department of agriculture state water resources control board department of water resources As well And it really prioritizes and streamlines Those services and state assistance to this affected area following on that the county of Sonoma made a drought emergency proclamation the Board of supervisors recorded as saying there is no water to waste at this time And that immediate water savings are needed from all members of our commuting Including urban and commercial and industrial and agricultural sectors the emergency proclamation Does have a little bit of something to it in that it requests the state and The state kind of proclaim a disaster and seek a state and federal disaster relief For especially for the agricultural customers that are being affected in throughout the county And just want to note that it does cover The entire area of Sonoma county including all the cities and special districts. So Should disaster assistance become available The cities and others would also be covered under that Whatever that would look like as well through those coordination agreements so just kind of wanted to Bring this all together Here with this slide. It is the second consecutive critically dry year As I mentioned Sonoma waters regional storage is a historical lows for this time of year Throughout its entire operation. They've never sort of seen this scenario So at this point Sonoma water has done everything they can to sort of actively manage and preserve storage in Lake Mendocino They filed a temperature change petition Back in February which was granted and they were able to sort of actively Manage their storage a little better in Lake Mendocino But Sonoma water will be filing another temperature change petition with the state Next week very likely Asking for reduced releases from Lake Sonoma into the lower Russian river So expanding sort of their their previous request As well and Lake Mendocino so continuing to Allow them to operate under their critically dry scenarios under decision 1610 for The upper watershed as well as expanding that down to the lower watershed That compliance is likely going to be based On a five-day average as far as the request for Sonoma water Which allows them to provide a little bit of a balance with how they release release their flows and manage things for their points of compliance But that request will also come with a recommendation For a reduction in overall diversions from Sonoma water, which means That contractors like Santa Rosa water will need to reduce their water use To meet that compliance metric If granted I should say So Yesterday there was an action-packed water advisory committee meeting. Um, they Basically went through a resolution You know unanimously approved that resolution requesting all the members of the water advisory committee Basically request their customers do everything they can to save what they've set as a target of 20 percent over 20 20 usage In order to preserve critical supplies in the Russian river watershed And this request is mostly at this point focused on residents making behavioral changes To meet this 20 target including things like, you know, being efficient with your landscape irrigation Fixing water leaks in your homes and then of course taking advantage of water use sufficiency programs Also to have note at the meeting the water advisory committee Revisited the water shortage allocation methodology The water shortage allocation methodology Is in the rice restructure agreement for water supply for Sonoma water and its contractors section 3.5 This water shortage allocation methodology Uh, was meant for in situations like this where we're anticipating, uh, cutbacks to Diversions and deliveries by Sonoma water. It sort of establishes a priority of customers and allocations and Obviously contractors are subject to liquidated damages and penalties for exceeding those allocations So of note The restructure agreement also allows for the water advisory committee to unanimously adopt an alternate method for Dividing water should they see its fit And then the allocation methodology is just to note is based on sort of what they call reasonable requirements for contractors It obviously rewards and encourages water conservation It doesn't penalize those that have been water efficient historically and then You know, so therefore sort of avoids cutbacks based on historic consumption and then recognizes sort of that demand hardening that comes with Investment by contractors in conservation so As was noted in that previous slide the water advisory committee does have the ability to propose an alternate allocation methodology There has been some concerns amongst the sort of different members of the water advisory committee with how the initial methodology worked out with regards to different scenarios And so therefore and given that we're in kind of a critical situation right now What was proposed was an equal reduction percentage across the board for all the contractors for each monthly allocation To the all the contractors. This is in order to meet that 20 target For reduced diversions by Sonoma water Uh, the difference would be that it's not on a month month basis It's going to be determined as far as performance as far as How people how contractors are doing with regards to allocation on the cumulative four month deliveries To give some flexibility to contractors to be able to meet that target And then the liquidated damages as well if necessary. Hopefully not would be calculated based on that Four month allocation and not on those individual monthly allocations So This is obviously sort of a temporary situation right now with the four months that's being proposed from july through october But the TAC will have a subcommittee that will immediately start to work And continue to meet to establish a revised allocation methodology beyond this four months. So You know, we're not going to put this into play and then just kind of walk away There will be quite a bit of work to make sure that we come back to the table And figure out something that's going to work long term So I just wanted to take a moment in the next few slides to kind of give you all an update on The the fantastic work that the water use efficiency team And the water resources division have been doing in concert with the the city's communications team Over the last few months and some of the things that we'll be working on during the short term here To continue to launch into its sort of more drought messaging So a drought webpage is live This webpage is really intended to be a one-stop shop for information on the drought for all santa rosa water customers The latest information on conditions and obviously as we move through Conservation requests or restrictions all that information will be there We're also linking Content that will be helpful info and obviously frank who only asked questions We're getting quite a few questions from customers already about how we're going to move forward with this And then of course, we'll provide plenty of links to tips and water use efficiency programs that can help folks Meet the conservation targets as we move through the summer And of course we'll have the the link to where folks can report water waste under a water waste ordinance But going forward you're going to want to direct folks to srcity.org Slash drought for all information Regarding this current drought I did want to note too that the snowmumber in saving water partnership is on the cusp of Transitioning to a summer drought campaign The tagline will be drought is here save water The artwork Being displayed is still sort of in its final draft form But this is mostly what you're going to see as far as sort of a color scheme And how the messaging will go out, but this will be utilized as sort of a baseline Messaging platform that can be utilized by all members of the summer in saving water partnership So for instance, santa rosa water could slide our logo in there and it would look The same as if any other contractor or partner member partnership member would Be utilizing it. So This is going to be an aggressive new campaign Obviously with the goal of helping customers achieve that 20 savings that's being requested region-wide And then of course, it will be multimedia radio digital and print advertising That is planned. Of course, it will be bilingual to reach the broadest audience possible And you will see this Kind of campaign in a very high visibility fashion with signage and advertising throughout santa rosa Through the remainder of the summer I did want to highlight some of the santa rosa water activities that are starting to kick off right now We'll likely be bringing back some of the successful Drought drive-ups that we had during the last drought throughout the summer This will probably be coordinated with the snowmarine saving water partnership and be kind of Focused on different areas throughout the county As well as minnesino county And probably marine county all at the same time. So Expect more on that Throughout the summer as well The water waste patrols began this month. We're going out early in the morning Trying to find folks that maybe have you know, leaky sprinklers or things running off into the street And then typically we give them what's called the hoops tag Which allows us to work through with a customer to sort of educate them And not analyze them for You know potentially violating the water waste ordinance, but um, You know, this is uh, this has actually been very successful in the past Uh, we tend to get quite a bit of um Response on this and it's just it'll ramp up throughout the summer So we have staff starting the patrols barely early in the morning And continuing as well, uh throughout the remainder of the summer And then um, you'll continue to see increased visibility of the new campaign and resources For our community to achieve savings now. So, um, we'll be Bringing forth some very exciting outreach materials And new campaign resources for the community Um Sorry to interrupt. Um board member wash had his hand raised I don't know if you want to um wait to answer questions at the end or if you're willing to take questions Actually, I need a drink of water. So it's probably a good Great board member wash Thank you very much chair waltz Uh, the deputy director martin on the oops tag Is that where um, and this is not for me. It's for a friend Is that where one neighbor would notice another power washing? A few, you know, three cars a boat in a driveway where They would tell the city. Hey, there's a water problem there and then the city would would deliver the tag or How how does how does that work? Yeah, typically, um, you know in the instance of like our water waste patrols, you know, someone might see Some runoff going down the storm water drain early in the morning for an irrigation issue And so staff would go out and kind of, you know, slap that oops tag on the door But also in an example like you mentioned Where we're following up on a a complaint, you know that comes in through our um water waste complaint protocols We could also slap that up there and it just is a way for us to make that contact With the customer and and just kind of educate them. It's not meant to be aggressive or, you know punitive We've found that typically When it comes to water conservation You know that that that type of outreach is the best and you get the best response. So, um, yeah, that's it This is kind of an example We would probably update this tag, but this is sort of what we have at the moment as far as uh that hoops tag Right. I appreciate you put couching it in the terms of education and I had heard from a constituent that You know, do you look at this look at this video and you know, I had to agree And it was it was an awful unfortunate practice and then I just didn't know, you know, where to refer them And they didn't want to approach a person because some people think wasting water is a Is a freedom and others think Conserving water as a community goal. So I didn't want to get in all that I just said they could But I didn't know where to refer them for the contact. So yeah, so we we do have, um, you know water waste complaint form and and You can also have referred folks directly to our water use efficiency. Um mailbox as well Yeah, definitely Appreciate the fact that, you know, you don't want to be confrontational with a neighbor that That's what we're here for. Um, and when we've got playing of experience on how to sort of, uh, respond to these types of situations Thank you very much Okay, so I'll just jump right in Where we left off We had a pretty successful birthday Week, I guess it was more earth week rather than earth day. Um, but we held hosted events both Virtually and then we had a drive-up event as well at a place to play park We hosted it on our earth day webpage Most of the virtual offerings were focused on water smart habits. We really tried to Make that the focal point of our earth day efforts this year Given where we are with the drought But there was also, you know, obviously neighborhood creeks cleanup information and highlighted the creek trail system that we have here at the city of Santa Rosa As well as a variety of kids activities And then I did want to point out that as far as our metrics go We handed out about 300 water smart kits at the april 22nd event a place to play park Mayor rogers and vice mayor rogers were both In attendance they did hand out quite a bit of events and gave out linda hand and it was really nice actually so Very well attended event In addition to those water smart kids. We did hand out quite a bit of materials That were you know eco friendly materials for kids As well You know given that there's not a lot going on out there in the world. It was very well attended so And then of course, you know just our virtual activities hosted on the earth day webpage We saw a lot of hits on the web page as well. So Just a great great way to get More information about the situation we're in With water supply and you know worked out really well, so We've also been really hammering Outreach on rebates right now Some info has gone up and bill inserts for instance We're continuing to utilize the city connections newsletter As a vessel to get more information out to customers about heart rebate programs As well as our social media and other advertisement avenues Throughout the summer we'll continue to host public workshops We've been doing those through zoom At the moment and we're still getting quite a bit of attendance We did a fire wise landscape event not so long ago or we sponsored that And those are going to continue to be held throughout the summer to give customers resources they need to You know both utilize our rebates to Make changes in their landscapes to be more water efficient Of course, we continue to Notify people that there are landscape templates available and other diy info on the water smart webpage For folks so that they can make those changes in the yard And then we'll also be The script is still being developed right now, but we're working on a radio ad as part of water awareness month That will go out and also kind of direct customers to that rebate You know Over the rebates available we have and so finally I just wanted to close with sort of The action that is being sort of requested The subcommittee today Regarding The proposal that we're going to be going forward to with the ppu and the city council requesting a community-wide voluntary 20% conservation target To aligning ourselves with the action of the WACC yesterday So just a reminder yesterday at the water advisory committee They did adopt a resolution Requesting that all the contractors Move forward with Some action to urge customers to reduce their water use by 20% over 2020 levels We are aware that many of the Contractors have already or will Take formal action from their governing bodies to request their customers reduce water use by 20% So so we're we're all in alignment and moving forward with that as well So I just kind of Wanted to summarize In this graphic here sort of the recommended Approach as to how we're going to move forward Throughout the remainder of the summer at this point we're requesting a voluntary 20% community-wide conservation requests And that's being asked to volosinoma water contractors at this time Santa Rosa water staff as I mentioned earlier in my presentation Are continuing to work with snow water and the contractors to finalize a water shortage allocation methodology beyond this sort of four month window where we're proposing a across the board equal cutback of all contractors In the meantime Snow water will be filing a temporary change petition likely next week and Um The state water resources control board has some time to respond to that likely, you know, hopefully very soon, but you know My understanding is historically it's taken a month or so for the state water board to come back with a formal order and response to that temporary to change petition. So That is very likely going to include requirements for reduced diversions and ask of cutbacks of snow water and their contractors Um, right now the proposal is likely going to be a 20% cutback in reduced diversions by snow water So just continuing the state water resource control board will respond to that temporary change petition likely in june or july And then beyond that staff will need to repair for the implementation of our water shortage continues to proceed plan So once we have a firm number With regards to the expectations as to how much we'll need to cut back And the demand reduction scenarios that play out of that Santa Rosa water is going to need to look at implementing one of the stages of our water shortage contingency plan And so staff will return At that time with the mandatory water use conservation recommendation in june or july to the city council likely Be running this up through this same committee and bpu kind of using a very similar approach as long as we can manage that as far as the timelines, so Sort of the next step. It's a progressive voluntary of course first and then moving on to implementation of our water shortage contingency plan so in summary today What we're asking of the water conservation subcommittee is that the subcommittee recommend to the bpu and the city council That the They move forward with a voluntary community-wide implementation of a voluntary 20% conservation request And then of course staff will take the appropriate actions to move forward with the implementation needed to Give the community all the tools they need to meet that target as well With that, I think that concludes my presentation and I'm happy to ask or answer any questions you may have Thank you very much for your presentation. We will take board member questions and comments first I do see that board member walsh has his hand raised Thank you chair watz and uh, thank you director burke and deputy director martin for the for the presentation. It's very thoughtful And lays out what we what we need to do next One question was just just about my my education on on this and I appreciate your patience We're looking at the water storage and lake sonoma What's the projected use before the next The next big range or before the period where we have more water coming and then going out of of lake sonoma What's our projection for the low level given our current conditions? Well, um, so, you know, there it is a little bit of a different situation with lake sonoma than lake mendicino it's very dire as far as lake mendicino goes and Um, ultimately just want to point out that the contractors really have very little to influence what can be done up in lake mendicino Um, we're you know our water supply mostly comes from lake sonoma Um, but there's a two to three year supply in lake sonoma And my understanding is that they are not expecting to hit that I guess I should step back to just a little bit. There is a hundred thousand acre foot threshold in decision 1610 that governs the water rights for, um, snow water and when they hit that hundred thousand acre foot threshold, there is a Trigger for a 30% reduction in diversions So what we heard from snowmobotters, they are not anticipating hitting that hundred thousand acre foot threshold Which is sort of a critical management threshold for them. Um, so so, uh, you know, I've heard They obviously run these scenarios in a variety of different ways, you know, depend upon The expectations of when rain comes potentially maybe even get a little bit more rain for the end of the season Um, but you know, I heard a number of around 110,000 acre feet But it is quite a range, you know, there's there's a They when they model these things they use historical data sets, you know, including temperatures and rainfall and demands, but You know that the reduced diversions will obviously help You know in some ways, but the most critical piece for snow water at this point Is getting that temporary chain temporary change petition filed and order issued allowing them to better Manage their flows and outflows going on a sonoma lexenoma right now That will that will be where they get their most Bang for their buck as far as managing the water supply I appreciate that so there's so many so many variables going on in front of lexenoma and then dependencies on the reduced outflows into the river And and and the inter interdependency between all those variables. I appreciate that now I know why that projection is not on the slide because it's going to be a changing figure changing target And the answer is we need to reduce I appreciate that and then this may be to Director Burke may be better able to answer this question Do do you need anything else? From the bpu um As far we're going to make a recommendation of the bpu for the 20% voluntary reduction The bpu will make that recommendation to the city council and But the questions about the water advisory committee committee of the Sonoma water Or can recommend or or actually affect alloc changes and allocations based on unanimous Unanimous vote of the of the water allocation the water advisory committee Um, and then if that in turn leads to liquidated damages To do the respective governing bodies that charge water rates to customers. Do we need to take formal action? on those water advisory committee allocation changes so, um, good good questions board member wash, um In terms of the restructured agreement and section 3.5 that governs the ability to Give allocations That is resides with either Sonoma water or the water advisory committee the whack So the whack did take that action on Monday And so what we have agreed to unanimously is a different way to temporarily allocate water this summer For the months of july through october as a deputy director martin mentioned it's based on a Looking at at a 20% reduction in diversions compared to 2020 And then doing an across-the-board equal cut back to all of the contractors So that is what the whack approved on monday And what the discussions we've had with Sonoma water is that they're looking at it as that four month period And only once that four month period is completed If we haven't met our reduction then looking at liquidated damages There is ability under the contract to transfer water among contractors So we're looking at that opportunity the whole intent and goal is for all of us to work together and um Work on this allocation so that no one is actually charged liquidated damages In answer to your question about additional Anything additionally needed from the bpu at this time know What we will be doing is bringing this recommendation if the subcommittee so chooses to make it to the board and then Asking the board to make a recommendation to council and we'll be going in front of council on the 18th of this month and then As um w director martin alluded to earlier once we know what the action is from the state water board and what the corresponding Reduction and diversions would be Then we will get an allocation based on what was approved For a straight percentage cutback And then we will bring to both the bpu and the council our recommendation for the appropriate Shortage stage we should implement So we'll be back in front of the board hopefully in june um But we're you know Latest would be early july and then going to the council also in july to implement that stage of our shortage plan Gotcha. Thank you very much. And then I would note that the four month period is Average is more permissive than the month the month then Regardless it will give us some flexibility And so we we will still have monthly information and we Have had a lot of discussions internally about how we're going to track that information And we'll be updating the board on this at every bpu meeting So you'll be getting an update at every board meeting Between now and the end of the year at this point unless something drastically changes with rainfall, but W director martin knows that he's on a track or if he's not here for some reason His staff is on track to be at every bpu meeting reporting out on where we are with our You know in response to our request for conservation where we are for our demand side Where we are on the supply side in terms of purchases from Sonoma water So you'll be getting that information Um, you know, we're we're finishing up the metrics and how we're going to present that So you'll start seeing that for sure in july if not sooner Thank you very much. I appreciate the education and in your patience with a new member and I'm just I'm very impressed by by the measurement and the response of this. Thank you very much Thank you Thank you board member walsh. You came in at a a busy year for this something used to seeing deputy director at every every board meeting move forward Thank you for your help chair waltz. I really appreciate it and your patience as well We learn every every meeting I think so board member grable. Do you have any questions or comments? No, thank you for the presentation. It was daunting and and really comprehensive and well done. So thank you Thank you. My only um Two questions for on slide eight. You talked about the state water um board making You know any type to grant the request that Sonoma water has presented. Is it typical that they do Approve those requests. I know you said that they will then put on different You know, basically Request back for to us, but is it typical that they do approve those? Um Or is that I mean, I don't remember us doing that in the last couple years that I've been on the subcommittee So I'm just wondering what the typical response from the water board is As far as the history goes, uh, can I defer it to you director Burke? Yeah, just um as far as how those have gone in the past Sure, absolutely. So, um, yes, they uh, the state water board does typically approve the temporary urgency change petitions with an order But they typically Put a lot of requirements on us as orders so, um The last time we actually had an order from the state water board related to a drought or low water Storage conditions was in 2009 prior to that was in 2007 You may recall between 2014 and 2016. We were in a drought And we were but that actually was action that was taken at the state water board that gave individual allocations to every retailer So The governor didn't declare a statewide drought at this point. It's only in snowmen, mendicino counties. And so we Are working closely with Sonoma water They need to take action to reduce the flows in the russian river to help preserve storage So in 09 and 07 the state water board absolutely approved it But required reductions and diversions and so what we're trying to do is be proactive and really show all the efforts and work We've done to date to get the education out to our community and then suggesting the best way that we can help support that Reduce flow in the rivers is to also suggest a 20 percent reduction in diversions from the russian river So that's what's being put forward. I would I would say that it's not only likely that they'll approve that but they may also have additional conditions. They may also Require more of a reduction in diversions than what we're putting forward Great. Well, it's it's great that we're anticipating those orders and trying to get ahead of them. But um And then my my last question was I know that in the past we've had different grant opportunities to support water conservation efforts around Toilet replacements or other type of appliance and so forth. I know we did apply for Increase for the cash for grass program that we saw this last board meeting I believe Is the year is there any other opportunities that maybe not just our agency is looking at but you know the Sonoma ran saving water partnership or other types of programs that we could help With our our efforts that we do internally in our department Yeah, I did we did hear that um in the governor's Proclamation that he was anticipating trying to do a may budget revise We haven't seen anything concrete on that. But the idea was that there would be financial assistance to those that needed for drought So we're definitely going to continue to track that. But yeah, definitely seeking opportunities You know Sonoma ran saving water partnership has been been very successful and securing, you know grants through various Propositions that have come up over time But yeah, I think that as those funding opportunities perhaps come available, you know that sometimes they do when droughts come about We'll definitely be seeking out that as much as possible and you know to definitely, you know, those are the opportunities there to make conservation programs more enticing, you know, we're limited obviously As an agency to try and to make them Cost effective in a way that they implementation of a water conservation program is less than the purchase of more water So that's kind of typically where we we bump into that cap. But when those grants come in line, you can really Increase those incentives above and beyond that that kind of threshold that you keep yourself to Thank you. I know that, you know, our this department has done such a great job of trying to Present as many educational and incentives to our community. So any more that anyone else can do is always Appreciate it for for our ratepayers. So With that, are there any other questions or comments? I just wanted to note too that we we have seen an uptake uptake and people requesting rebates and cash for grass all of a sudden and pre pre approvals. So Um, you know, even out without those additional incentives, we're we're seeing interest. So I think our outreach is working. So um, you know, just some success there as well and then uh, just wanted to know You know board member walsh's comments, uh, you know, we all get an education on this every time there's a Drought that comes in so every few years. So uh, don't don't feel like you're the only one that's that's learning here as well. So Very true. Thank you. Um So with that, I will open it up for public comment on this item If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please raise your hand if you are dialing in via telephone Please dial star nine to raise your hand Secretary atha, do we have any live or email or voicemail public comments? We have a public comments Water conservation subcommittee the board of public utilities recommend to the board of public utilities that uh, we Santa Rosa water implements a voluntary 20 percent reduction of water use program as proposed by director burke and santa rosa water I second that I realized we actually did not need a formal recommendation. However, we will take it anyway Oh, thank you Sorry about that All those in favor Say aye Okay, great. Well, we will then bring this um to the uh full bpu um, thank you very much for all of your work and presentation and Um, with that we will adjourn Thank you chair watts and members grade bowl and director deputy directors Um, this is new to me. So here we go Ha ha thank you. Have a good day. Thank you so much