 All right, so interview with mr. Don curry So mr. Don curry first first question. What is your age? It's far too large 79 79 years young Where were you born Brandon Manitoba? Okay, and my wife always gives me a bad time about that because she was born in Saskatchewan A bit a bit of rivalry they have more than a bit and As a child what did your parents do? for a living for a living life my father was a salesman in Brandon Manitoba and for parts of Saskatchewan and We were at the family the three of us were a Transferred to Edmonton in 1940 and that was when the United States of America was building the Alaska Highway up to to Alaska and to help out against the Japanese I guess and It was quite the city then and And We settled here and I've been here since and it's been a great place to live Just a great place to live Excellent Did you Did you have any passions early early on about? Geology or or any sorts of subjects that you were in further in your career The answer to that. Yes, and it's thankful that I had a great-eat teacher who Took a great interest in the kids the children that he that he taught and one day he came to school with Geological hammer and showed us what it was and Then he said that the following day to bring your dad's hammer And we'll all go down to the river and we'll beat the hell out of the rocks and see what they look like and From that day forward. I can't thank Mr. Costache enough. That's what got me into thinking about that in science as a general rule and I still often think of him he's long gone, but That's that's where the interest in things I guess a good teacher a good teacher teacher who did also Yeah, who did who didn't only teach it in the classroom. Yeah, that's right Yeah, yeah, I also have most people have at least one teacher where and inspired them to To do what they do now and right on. Yeah, yeah, which is what we did And as a child other than then banging rocks and going to school, what did you do for fun or what were your interests? well in in oh my god in In the lower grades We always at the Mackay Avenue school in Edmonton, which means nothing. I guess to anybody else is listening to this except it had The ash if you like or the the Material on the where the baseball diamond was was came out of the powerhouse and it was sharp when you slid into any of the Bases it just about took your knees off or your back end and But nevertheless, that's all that was there, you know, and so we played soccer out there went the right time of the year and we played Anything else that was on but baseball was a killer. My god. You just walked home with blood at night Give you supper after they'd wiped up your knees But we we I don't know how much you want here, but at that school It and in our area that we lived and in the rest of Canada there was 10,000 us Army people and They were great citizens when it snowed too much one winter for the four or five Graders that the city had I guess they came in and they did every every seat in every road in town and push it all out of the way and it was an interesting interesting place to be and Had Greed Airport and in the summer times I'd ride out to the airport while even in the school time I'd ride my bike out and hang on to the fence at the airport and Look at all the airplanes and it was Probably over a thousand airplanes went through Edmonton. Yeah, it must have been quite a few military airplanes Yeah, and and anything that I don't know whether you want this piece of history here But what the Americans did they built all the you know how they did things around the continent Sort of thing and put the thing when the plane was together in any given place it came to just south of in the US just south of the Alberta border and they had a built a huge hangar and They would run them through and Make them okayed for going to Alaska and so they'd overfly Calgary and land at the Edmonton Municipal Airport and some days Hank if you remember hanging on the on the fence looking at them there would be over a hundred airplanes in there and there'd be Fighters and Other bombers and all kinds of stuff. It was just interesting as can be so hence an interest in the in life very much in airplanes and My grandfather was a huge huge fan of airplanes. Yeah, yeah, apparently he could tell you any yeah There's one in the sky. You can tell you exactly what it is every time that was the way it would There's other stories I tell you about our neighborhood, but I don't think they're right for here Hope that's all right, all right for sure, but you'd enjoy it Yeah, we can shut it off So where did you go to to school if we so you went school in Edmonton as you told me yeah, but University University of Alberta. Okay in what in in geology and And So there was mr. Costache and there I was and I got out of University of Alberta and After having various summer jobs One with the craft cheese company one unloading trains and all the stuff that you do when you're a growing growing kid I guess yeah, and in those days you had to have it to do anything anyway because it was All that great cash wise for our family but That that kind of got us through to old enough to go to the University of Alberta and take geology and I don't think I chased girls, but I Played Played basketball for the Bears for a couple of years So and I'd played basketball at Victoria composite high school here in town and Had a lot of time for Bouncing balls and shooting them through the hoop if I was lucky Grew up I guess and I had summer jobs with warehouses and other things and I Finally got out of the University with BLC and in geology and I was very fortunate to get a job with with mobile oil and I Went to Calgary and got trained I guess to what to look for and drill drill rigs and big company Yeah, and I ended up being transferred to to Regina and sat wells all throughout Saskatchewan, which was pretty busy and in that at that time and Met my lovely wife and Came out of Regina and Saskatchewan the hell what smarter than I Was mostly because they're yeah, and So we and we were married there in Regina and we had Two children We've now three children two boys and a girl and they grew up a little bit in Regina and then I Decided that I go back to school and You come a teacher and so I went down to To your part of the world their times. Yeah, and same effect and I had Geo another geologist from there had we ended up being buddy buddy and in mobile and We we between the two of us Burned off a lot of tires by going sideways with on the gravel roads of Saskatchewan and He He's passed away now, which is too bad, but it was a pretty close thing but so when I Got a little older I thought well, I went down there for the BSC like I told you and I came back and we came all the and I went to came back to Edmonton and We just went out east for school it went down east for school Yeah, that's right, and I came back here and got the job with the Edmonton school system And I taught I can't remember now my head's all gone Getting like a lump, but I Stayed teaching in high school and I Enjoyed it. All right, but oh I wanted to get on to other things and so I Went back to university and got a master's degree in in geology and ended up working for a mobile and others And we just say mobile was your first job. Yeah, it's a first job. I guess yeah career first career job Yeah, so I got kind of got missed in what we mixed and what we've been talking about, but never the less That's the way it was and what did you do for your first job with mobile? Sitting rigs is what we call it out here. Okay, and that means Well as a geologist you work in the office and you've got all the maps and and that sort of stuff and and Returns drilling returns from other wells and if you're smart enough you'll put the thoughts together along with what the underground is and if you work up a deal and The boss is above you or if you've got lots of money, you'll go and drill a well yourself And so that's that's what the game was. I never had the money to tell you the truth But we went out I went out Whenever there was a well to sit I'd go and sit on it it would be all over Saskatchewan, and I think I got sent up into Alberta a couple of times and So I've got this sequence not quite right because it was when I went back to school again. I Got the Went down to Nova Scotia Nova Scotia and Got through a year Of a lot of fun because Archie was there the guy that I said we rubbed tires for yeah So we went down there and as a family and we had a little boy at that time and it was a great a Great time you guys from there are terrific, you know, you really are good folk in a different way, you know here and It was it was a great experience for us and we traveled up the Islands and so on at a great time went to be I am yeah So we did we did that and came back and I I'm trying to dig out a story from down there. There was lots of them, but anyway We had a good time and Yeah, I'll put this out We went I went to the St. FX and That wasn't our religious Connection but it was purple purposely done to Find out about that and that that was as much the education as the actual teaching and we had some real interesting teachers that We're quite surprising a you're a good solid people, you know And so anyway, we enjoyed that I'm getting to run on here But So we came back to Edmonton and I went teaching in high school. So that's the backwards part And what did you teach mainly in high school? Oh science. Yeah physics and math and stuff Which grades or did you teach grade 9 to 12? Yeah, not 9 10 to 12 it was yeah in a bit in a major high high school in town here Are there ever a specific classes for geology in no no no no no it's the fact that I knew how to act Add two and two and get four. That's about what it was, but I enjoyed the kids I had a hell of a good time with the kids. They were not Not little kids. They were yeah students is what they were and Had a good time with them and The kids our kids were growing up and Ollie was happy and what more can you ask, you know and so The school then I guess It's I don't know Maybe I just was at a time in life when I wanted to do a bunch of things and I know I still do That's one of the big problems It's a good thing too. Yeah, it is ambition, yeah, sure and So anyway, I went went back for the master's degree in the geology department and That was good, I had some great I had a great guy I can't even remember his name now, but he was an American from the US. It was teaching up here and And the I guess the The best thing to come out of that educational wise and knowledge wise was two professors that had been there for years and both essentially I'd say started the Geology department and they were the guys that Essentially discovered oil in Alberta. That's a stretch, but nevertheless, they knew all the underground connections of the formations and all this stuff from a That viewpoint not making money with it, but telling the boys where to go where and on an industrial basis and Dr. Warren was one and Dr. Spelt was another and With those guys my God the thoughts and the methods that they used to put that stuff in your head was Incredible, they were really really good teachers the first first Class I had in geology So, you know what you you know what you're like So it went in and sat down of course in the back row, you know, one of those jerks To the back with another guy that was the same make that I was and this fellow walks in and he's got a black coat on sort of thing, you know, that's a wrong name, but there's a name for the thing and he's Pacing up in front of the blackboard back and forth back and forth So much so that the class just went dead silence You know, and you knew right away. He was playing the game with you, you know but he this was dr. Warren and He was terrific teacher and the first words out of his mouth He looked at everybody's eyes and then he said I want you all to learn to swim at this class and Everybody looked and there was silence and then he looked back and he said we had two Geologists piling a canoe that drowned and we don't ever want that to happen again well, you know God it just everybody was just dead on his eyes and for a rear that a year they never took them off It's a good way to Shock and oh man, and they were so knowledgeable. It was unbelievable So that was a just like a grift from gift from heaven. So that was after you had taught in high school Yeah, and you had also done some work and you con Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Was that earlier or later? Oh, that was that was right after getting out of that Just a minute you're getting me to think back God my head is spinning like crazy. I think I went up there in between Okay, yeah, I did it was back when I caught the first degree and so on and the guy so and you've also Jiggled my head a little bit just to tell you that I went up there and worked for five months But and came back and the company had broken up and I didn't get paid No, I went broke was it for gold or yeah was for anything you could find and so we were climbing There was no we had a truck. No, we had yeah a truck To go back and forth where people were but when we started to go into the Area you had to looking for things. It was walk. There was no helicopters. There was no way of transporting so It was a staying in good shape. Hey staying good. Oh god. Yeah, I was a tougher nails And well, I can tell you that if you think about the the war and what was going on back here in Edmonton No, no, it wasn't around time getting a thing. Yeah, I was fat, you know I was a fat kid and I couldn't run worth a damn So all we'd go down to the Parliament building says a legit and to play football And they'd kill me all my friends would kill me, you know, you're too slow. Yeah. Oh, yeah I couldn't run I couldn't catch them, you know, but when I came back from the Yukon five months I could run up there Back in and down the front and lay them out And I really took advantage Yeah, I haven't hit anybody since It was incredible, yeah So anyway, that's we're getting off topic. Maybe so so you would say Mentor-wise you had talked about The yeah to your first teacher in school and your two teachers doing your master's would be your mentors And I don't know whether it was dumb luck or not, but God they were good to me and and then You know, I've never had I've never had anybody Teach me that was bad really bad. These guys were just so much The last two that I mentioned in the in the first one Yeah, that was good and Did you ever work in a Job that was dysfunctional or just unorganized or a mess I Don't think so Because I didn't let it happen Do you know what I'm trying to say? Yeah, they give the guys We're giving you a bad time. You say George back off, you know They back off usually I've never had any troubles and I've I've always been one that would jump in and help the guy You know, if he was down under something you go down under there to help me fix it So no, I've never had any of that Trouble What about the five months in Yukon where you didn't get paid? well, the coming back and And We're driving down here and finding out that there was kind of no pay I guess what you do is you go to daddy, don't you? And you say what can I do and he said well, you can find another job So guess what I Tried to make up the enough money to do what I wanted to do but I'm not quite sure of all the years now talking to you, but I bought my first car, I guess which was a 1977 Chevy coupe I'll read them. I Don't know old enough to get girls in the front seat Not I phrased that wrong but Nothing in those days. You didn't get girls you Accompanied them. Yeah, you drove them places. You drove them places. Yeah, and if you stop that was You know what I'm trying to say yeah, okay, you got it So anyway, that's what I had and that was the fun and I took care of that thing. I had it for a long time Fun and games and out of I mean you've had So many different jobs and so many different We're not finished yet Not at all But what would you say is one or some of the biggest challenges that you had to overcome throughout your career Or in a specific job or what or in a specific job Well, I guess the I Don't want to use the word toughest job because it wasn't I wasn't getting Been out of shape or anything, but I for 15 years. I spent Managing another fellow's business And it was a geotechnical drilling company and I that was very fortunate to Have the job to get the job and looking back but I've Worked my butt off because I was taking calls from from our our crews We're with the drills and We were doing a lot of drilling in the high Arctic and over in in Northwest Territories in Canada and in the winter and And Those guys those guys were sent up their crews We had I don't know how many guys working in but probably 30 maybe something like that not all there, but some in the local stuff here where they were building buildings and stuff and so we had these guys up up high up north and I Didn't feel sorry for them, but I knew that they were really really working tough and In the cold and So that was a little tough to do and The gentleman that I was working for My I'm not certain that he paid a hundred percent Interest in what was going on and guess who's shoulder that fell you picked up the slack Well, I guess I did because he had a couple airplanes and stuff I was walking But I had a the guys that I was working with and Looking after to tell you the truth. It was rewarding in its own way I got into the Arctic quite a few times and stuff. So that was good And what would you say is did pick one? What's your fondest memory from your professional career tough question? Now that is a tough question. No kidding The fondest that's a good word to the fondest thing I Guess I can't do that. But I what I can say is that If you want to use that word I've had the fondest life that anybody could ever want I I'm telling you I My wife is the greatest thing in the world and some of the places that I got one being Well, I said I was up in the Arctic and Antarctica and Antarctica and I was the people that I met Would say I can I can remember the night just like I Was down in an area south south and east of BAM Doing geology work. I wasn't doing went for the research council of Alberta. I was working for them With two other guys three other guys, I guess one of which was Tom Tom Here that's pictured just above you and I was laying on the bunk top near the roof was a little little building and I was sleeping up on this thing and the two of the other two other guys were over playing cards and And One of them shouts curry I Said yeah, do you want to go to the Antarctic damn right? When's the plane leave? Just like that, you know So I go home and I tell my dear wife And this is why she's dear. I said I got a chance to go to the ice to the ice That's what we ended up calling it and that's what everybody calls it down there logically is the ice. Yeah And I said and she said if you want to go on I said yeah She said sure and she had two kids at the time or we had to give it and So I'll go down there and it was it's unbelievable at that time There was a problem and we Got up in a helicopter that we were going to go back and forth in areas. You don't drive a car down there Not at that year anyway but Anyway, it fell out of the sky and burned and two of the eight of us so six were got out and two were dead and my friend who Took me down there was beside me and he was killed and That's certainly the Most somber time and I still I went I went until probably three years ago So like a long time before I could Talk about it, you know, it was tough So that was probably the and it wasn't a down thing it while it was I mean don't ever kid yourself It was a down thing, but it wasn't the guy can use those things to Lifetime to get along, you know And so Now it was a tough one Fui on that one Yeah Very for a change of pace, but thank you Did you join any professional organizations or committees or throughout your career? I wasn't one for that movement in life I didn't I Didn't I don't know quite how to phrase this anyway. There was there was The professional ones I did at a time Join I don't know whether you join but you go to the dinners and you go to so yeah Well, I was selective if they were putting on a good program I'd go to it and pay the extra money, but the membership Membership has never been a thing for me and even We're having a What you call it Next week we're gonna vote or something and I've never been one to get into that at all So I just sort of wander around when it comes to that. I don't go to those things but I did join the engineering yeah, I had to do that and the geological Things that I ended up In both cases, I guess being offering time as secretary or whatever and I'd go to those meetings and Do what we're doing here yeah telling stories Good times yeah, were there any I Guess go to social activities that that you and your co-workers and Which would do you and your co-workers were there any activities? Social activities that you guys would always always go to always do is sport absolutely Well, I I played One hell of a lot of handball. Oh, yeah. Yeah a lot and The guys from there it I don't know whether you'd call it a social it wasn't a social thing That but maybe once once every two or three years They'd have a golf tournament or something and I wasn't a golfer so but I'd go for the dinners don't ever kid yourself But nevertheless that that went on and and there's still guys that I see even that My age and their ages will meet and have a cup of coffee and tell stories and things and swear a lot You know that stuff all about the stories them. Yeah. Yeah, and so I really enjoyed that that aspect of it and lots of lots of fun and Going you know what guys when you get guys together, but we had a great time in the game Game was a great game. I I don't know even how I got started in it But we were at the YMCA downtown here in Edmonton and I played a couple of times other other cities Minnesota I played a A couple of times I guess down in there and people will play. Yeah, it's a nice thing So it's social all right, but it isn't you know them. Yeah. Yeah It's not overly competitive. Oh hell with that It's very competitive But it's all in good fun and at the end at the end Yeah, what's the game's done? Yeah, yeah, and Throughout your career, I mean this might be an answer that varies because you've had so many different Taking so many different paths in your in your yeah in your life, but were there any trending social issues or problems in jobs what whether it was Alcoholism or drug use or mean for me for in general so not necessarily just for you or for you But for I'll tell you my my guys around you were no hell no one none of that But I can tell you my history with alcohol When I was seven or eight My cousins came and they to town in Edmonton. No yeah, I guess it was here and They were gone their way through to Jasper So they said okay, we'll take him. You know, we'll take this little guy. So I go with them so they end up of all places on a sand Peace in the middle of the river up there with cases of beer and they would be maybe 15 to 18 and They more or less made me like if I wanted to get back across the water and we had to walk that they Made me drink half a beer and That's the only Yeah, I could make this statement and there might be one or two other times what done when I grew it up But that's the only alcohol that's ever crossed Yeah, I've just said not a not a big drinker. I'm not a drinker period at all. Yeah, there's 70 years of Nothing, but that's that's what did it. I just I just run it for you. Oh, yeah Well, yeah, and it was so so memorable that I just sit the hell with that. I don't want that So if if you have a child you can send him over here No, take him to his head in the middle of the river and the river was going like hell like I mean it wasn't you know And so anyway, that's me and I haven't had any problems with that side of it all my my father did drink but And did get drunk the odd time, but he wasn't he wasn't bad. Oh my bad. Yeah Yeah there you go and I mean Teaching women are much more present, but in the other Aspects of your life how present or absent or women? That's an odd question. Did you ask that about about And what that reflected to me and I didn't say anything was was was that directed To the troubles that guys are having Living in the current life with a total difference of The women's attitude Towards men. Oh for sure times are changing, but it's also I I think it's a question more being asked because So many of the jobs in Mining metallurgy petroleum. Yeah, there's natural resource jobs Are more There's a lot more men present than women. Yeah, so that's more the question I think that Well, this is an old-fashioned thing I guess but if you're looking at it from it for that aspect I Don't know This is from my past I guess I Would not like to see women Being on a drilling rig the women are starting to get into the wrestling ring and the boxing ring Yeah, and I mean if that's the way society's going I guess there will be women out there running the rig and I don't have any trouble with that Not at all you just wouldn't see it before because you thought of maybe be too dangerous for them or well Yeah, I mean to look at the The musk muscular Are not a bill today or the anatomy, but the muscular make of the women now They they'll go in and build it, you know Well, that's fine go and work on the rig whatever you want But in those days those jobs weren't available and they didn't want them I can tell you that They wanted to be the stenographer in the there's a word that's not used in stenographer in the thing and And they did that really well and they were the ones essentially that were running the business Well, the guy went golfing I don't go I'm not a big fan of I used to play golf and I went when I got moved down to Saskatchewan and I Took took the clubs that I had and I went to Weyburn's Golf course and they didn't know what water was on the they never watered the water This is the grass and the grass was over Concrete tough stuff and just destroyed my clubs and I put them away and that was the end of it I could never get into golf. No, I didn't it wasn't mine either So you're running out of gas Then a few a few more questions Yeah, I don't care. No, I don't know I sit here all day Sun goes down so We talked about or I think you had maybe mentioned it or if not, we'll get into it now, but That you were managing director of Alberta Chamber of Resources for 15 years. There you go So what changes did you bring as a as managing director? What changes? Yeah, or what were the what were your big achievements or we're proud of doing that period in that role. I guess That This is gonna be Papa Witch phone here phone you guys and Said, you know, I can't think of anybody else Will you do it? And I said, what the hell you knew I'd do it before you fall, you know, and so I Don't know whether I I really don't like talking about myself Even though you and I have had a great time but You were asking about life and stuff like that stuff I had fun in and stuff like this but the Chamber of Resources was That was probably the best job that I couldn't I'd scrub that I don't Was not the best one because all of them are the same. They're all good. They're all good. Yeah, it's all been good But the the Chamber stuff was really successful For me I didn't I didn't get money and I didn't get whatever but I'm warning Yeah, the reward was the people that were there and There was one guy That was a Turkish fellow who had come to New York gone to university there and ended up in Calgary with an old company and I'm in trouble with my head right now. I'm trying to get his name. It's okay I'll get it. It's real important that I get it because he was the one that Everybody that has made a buck with the oil sense should thank him And he was he was absolutely unique character and that He would He could attract people to meetings to talk about stuff that was had to be People's heads that could make decisions on very difficult things that This Title that you have told told me you wanted to talk about and we've been talking about everything else But Dr. Erdal Yildirim There's the guy. There you go and he could put out an email in the end, but probably phone or letter or whatever and Send it to South Africa Send it to New York send it to anywhere and Say we're having this meeting and You'd say, you know where they have it Well, he'd phone the Alberta government and he'd had The premier I guess say it's all right to use the big Building that they've got down there with that'll seat. I don't know 50 or 60 guys in a circle And so he could do stuff like that and these guys would come from all over the place because of him Yeah, that influence not while they knew him Do you know what I'm trying to say? It wasn't it wasn't sort of like It was probably and at their end like God. He's still doing it. I Want to go and see him and they'd go and He would gather these people all that had deep knowledge about whatever the hell it was it could have been the most What would you say deep thinking Required to make it go and to apply that to the right thing in the oil sands and So they've kind of formed a big think tank almost it wasn't called that It was it was The Alberta Chamber of Resources, right? Okay Now so met and talked a bit about managing director at the Chamber of Resources But you're also managing director of construction owners Association. Yeah. Yeah, there's a there's some stories there I don't know how long you want this, but we're here. We're having fun. I guess might as well okay construction owners Association of Alberta was a An outfit that was established in Edmonton to have the contractors talk talk to one another about how they're gonna do things and all that kind of stuff but it was very well developed in the United States of America and Somebody not the Chamber But somebody in years before number of years before they came to the ACR They were in the city and in the province. Yeah, that's right I'm not sure they were in Calgary. I think maybe it was just around in the Edmonton area and so they were people that would come together and talk about construction and and had great and it would be the Presidents yeah, the presidents maybe the vice presidents of the companies that would go to and so They ran out of money their association ran out of money and so They were looking for a place that was cheaper and that would take them in and so we took them in that day CR and And So they didn't they didn't have anybody to be there. I don't know sweep the floor guy And so they hired me I guess they didn't hire me They said we're yeah, we'll come to you and I ended up being both of them the ACR and the and the COAA and So we it was the right time it was when things were at the bottom and they were coming up as far as construction of big things and the oil fans and so they They they were run I guess they were run by me, but That part of it was run by me but the rest of it was just as if it was another association and it was a great bunch of guys and they grew and It was it was kind of neat for me because it was associated we got it associated with the COAA in the United States and It used to be I don't think with this government in the United States at the moment that anybody tells them how to do a damn thing but the COAA and in Calgary back then and Could go to the president of the US and say come on let's go and have lunch come and have lunch with us And we want to tell you how the hell they run the country Just what the way it was now that's overstretched. You know that nevertheless they had a lot of pull and I used to go down to a couple of the meetings and of course what they all were was golfing stuff I'd stand and watch but they were they knew what the hell they were doing it So I brought back the methodology and put it in to these guys up here because they didn't normally go down there and So they were not at Larry's running it now. We haven't met Larry yet. I guess a Larry sees He's not Rimming it now. I shouldn't put it that way. It's the Alberta Chamber of Resources who are still looking after the COAA But they've the two of these guys Have you met either? Have you met Larry and and God I taught the guy at the U of A. He's a geologist No, then I don't think so. Come on, Don. I'll get it God I know him for But nevertheless, he runs the chamber and the chamber is still the biggest one Me the other one is smaller, but it's growing and getting more COAA is growing a little bit and doing a little better And is the COAA just for construction you were talking like up north for for the development of rigs and stuff, but is it also for Is it just for natural resource development? No, well, wait a minute I I don't know if you want a little bit of history It used to have to do with building apartment blocks and stuff before But that's kind of run out and it is industrial now I think it's all industrial it gets all industrial so it's fit and when you were there it was mostly for industrial We made it that way. Okay, we were the ones that made it that way took it from the smaller to the heavy We did a lot of good work there to God those guys they were different from the description I gave it the other they were different, but they they knew what the hell they wanted, you know, and they always had the union guys We had the female Female Woman from the Provincial government We invited her to Red Deer God to a room full of unionized workers. There must have been a hundred and fifty of them in there and I Still know her and I still get invited to stuff but she She came in the door late and it did all kind of started And so when it came time for her to talk she got up she looked out at this group of tough-looking guys and She said where are the hell of this the cigarettes She made something else too. Maybe she said she didn't say beer. I don't think But she was a tough broad. I'm telling you so you talk about the girls. You know, she walked in hundred of them at least And she shocked all the men Tomberg and Antarctic is probably the Most important thing in my life outside of family and all that that's had more effect on me than anything and I Was it was interesting stuff we did down there and I never talked about it Outside and I got asked to give a talk not on that but you know and so I put together one and I talked about it to a group of guys and I Got it out of my system you know, it was a Heavy that's I don't want this people to feel sorry for it wasn't that but it was a heavy something in here to carry that all those years and But it's gone It didn't hurt me. I couldn't I could still laugh and joke and act stupid that you know, that's easy for me But that Really really bothered me so much so that the place I gave it at it was There was about 30 guys there. I guess I Said well, I'm not gonna give this talk ever again So I didn't I haven't And I won't So it ever lasting, you know to be there right here. Yeah, and like that So it must be the same in an automobile maybe or something, you know Anyway, so there you go. There's a peace sign. I just Thinking about Tommy Christ, why it wasn't easy talking to you about it either. You know, well, thank you anyway Yeah, thanks for sharing So we'll pick up with them. What are you proudest of in life? Did you ask me that before? When the camera wasn't working. Well, man, when the mic, oh, yeah, okay, so what are you proudest of in life? well, I guess I'm proudest things would be my wife and which and our well and our children and our grandchildren and So that's probably the thing if you proudest of although sometimes, you know You get a little upset that you're not because they're doing what That my age you look back and you say you're not supposed to do that, you know, but nevertheless, sure That's yeah, and I guess You can still laugh and I can still smile and I can still have a time have a good time Oh Don what are you proudest of or what what is your biggest accomplishment in the world of geology or or petroleum? To have been given some ability to have other people success other people succeed So that they do which is I guess the teacher thing Yeah, that's answer Yeah, okay You got it. Yeah, it's a nice answer Okay now as a as a father as a teacher I like this question if you could give Get could give anyone or them or your kids or your students Any sort of life lesson, what would be that life lesson? What would you tell them for light? for life for their future careers or What would be the life lesson you gave a younger a younger person or even a piece of advice sir? Or even just a piece of advice I Guess I'd I'd ask them to be fair and not be only interest in their self Treat other people With kindness Henry I don't know how you could say it Just remember to laugh and smile because that's really what really matters is if you can see the humor and thing Or create it for other people Yeah, that right Absolutely now is there anything you would like to add before we end Yeah, I'd like to add that this is the end Excellent. Excellent. Well, thanks a lot for for this interview good. Thank you very much good