 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this beautiful episode of Mind Pump Fantastical. Is it pretty? For the first 57 minutes we have some fun Introductory conversation. We go to the happiest place on earth. We do we talk about Disneyland Talk about it anyway versus Legoland. Which one's better? Which one wins? Which one did Justin find? Yeah, there's a huge difference. Holy moly Then we talk about lessons learned from a hiking weekend took my kids hiking Did some six mile hikes with my eight-year-old daughter. You guys are such good. You made everybody cry. 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So I went up to Tahoe with Katrina and with Taylor For the weekend just got away, you know We rented up rented some nice house up in the snow and there's kind of hung out chilled out there for a little bit with nature That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. It was nice. How about you Justin? Yeah, I went to San Diego Oh, yeah, you went to Lego lamp. Yeah and midway Lego land. Really? You don't like it Dude, come on really and you're a Lego guy. I'm a big Lego guy. I like Lego land. You don't like it. That's terrible. Why no, it's like So just getting in there took like 45 minutes to an hour, you know like they they're so Ineffective inefficient like there's just so many things. They have like good ideas with the people there so many people Like anyways, it was just like you get on a ride It lasts all of like, you know, 20 seconds and it's over and then you like wait another 45 minutes to get on another Yeah, it's a theme park. Oh, I didn't know that's what it was cool about it Is so they have like some areas where you can play with Legos and like the kids can kind of go do their thing and all That which is great and you can look at it, but it's like they only had it at certain Like rides where one of them they had it in the middle and like oh this is brilliant You know like they had a great idea here like you're waiting in line Your kids can just go in the middle and play with Legos the whole time you're towards the front I was like that's a fucking brilliant idea. That was only one roller coaster. They did that with I'm like, what the fuck Why wouldn't you do that with all of them? Yeah, you know what it's cuz it's spring break I bet you the crowd was massive. Oh, I'd be sunny. Oh, yeah, there's probably that I don't know I just wasn't I don't know I guess it's hard to compare theme parks to Disneyland because they just it makes you appreciate Disney for what they've done It's like it's so much dude. It was to me. It's like a glorified Gilroy Gardens Shit Right on top of all of it Disneyland is the that's they are the they Create the standard. Oh comes to organization when it comes to security. I don't know Customer service shits on everybody. So I heard I don't know if this is true But I've heard it from several people and it sounds true, but I'm not sure if it is After September 11th, I think the government went to Disney and Tried to learn from them because they're their security that they do at Disneyland is Incredible how they're able to secure the park and how they're able to do IDs and check-ins and stuff I think that they consulted with Disneyland because it was it's so effective and so good efficient I mean getting off the freeway you park right away like everything works, bro. Did you know it's so weird I would think like because the 9-11 they'd go somewhere like maybe the Pentagon. You know I'm saying Pentagon got hit They're like Disneyland is safe. Let's go find out. Well, dude Underground right at Disneyland yeah, we're like if something happens with the kid They'll shut the eggs like immediately you tell someone boom they shut the exits. They've got cameras They'll look for you know certain things and there's a lot of like tech that they use there that people don't know Well, that'd be you know, that's funny you bring this up now. You're gonna make me want to go down I know I want to check that out the Google rabbit hole because I have never heard of someone getting kidnapped from Disneyland And that if you're a kidnapper that has to be one of the best places Yeah, you've only heard like a measles outbreak or something if you're a professional kidnapper I mean Disneyland has got to be on the list of like places to try right maybe and that's a thing or maybe not to Think about this if you're Disneyland, you know that nothing will kill your sales like So they take that shit right so maybe maybe we don't even know this but Mickey and Minnie and goofy They're all like fucking like Seals and green berets that are in there, right? Well, no I've so I had a friend who had a friend who he turned a friend's friend So I don't know this person personally because his mother's uncle He he was he was with two he was with his two kids and they were both young So I know they were both like five or maybe younger and he turned around to tie one of his kids shoes for like ten seconds Turns back around couldn't find his daughter at all at Disneyland panic panic looks looks looks and he knows like he's like Okay, I'm gonna tell someone right away. This is what you should do by the way if you can't find your kid It's just better safe than sorry So he told one of the the people that works there all the interest is locked down immediately They were looking for the kid and they saw and this is what I heard through you know another another person So I didn't talk to this person directly But he told the the the people this is what clothe This is what her shoes look like this is what her jacket look like and there was someone walking with Like holding the kid and covering them and all they could see was the shoes Like trying to kidnap his kid and they saw it on the cameras and got no way yeah That's the story I heard so I don't know really yeah, but their security is supposed to be like insane But they're super organized Disneyland all day. Yeah, yeah Well, they also have a lot of people way worth it a lot of people that are working there that are like undercover working there I don't know if you know that so they know that yes So this I do know so they have a lot of people that are That blend into the crowd but that are or that are employees So you have of course you have some employees that are named tagged and they're there to do certain jobs But then they also have employees that are working just to help with the experience that are paying attention to like customer service and helping people So like that's kind of their way to I'm like man people at Disneyland is so nice this random guy just gave me direction dude I'm right told you guys we for my sister's 30th. That's what she wanted to do So that's not I mean god now it's okay. We're getting old those five years ago now So five years ago we went we went there and I remember like from the moment We pulled up to the parking lot like we pull up on now. I'm 30 Something at this 32 at this time right and 31 at this time and I hadn't been to Disneyland since 1999 when I graduated high school and So I didn't remember I don't remember and I was a young dumb drunk high school kid when I was at there The fucking high school thing so I'm not paying attention to customer service. It's in the middle of the night So it wasn't the same so I really haven't been there since I was like a child So I don't remember that experience now. I'm here. I'm coming as a 30 year old adult, right? We roll up to the the you know the first like little gate to get into the parking lot and the guy like you know Asked he's like oh, you know, is this your first time here? I'm like no We've been here, but I haven't been here since I was a kid, you know And the guy so he gets out of you know They're in those little tool booth looking things or whatever he gets out You know walks around with the car pulls up a map of all of Disneyland It says you know where you go and he just starts asking all these questions about what we're doing and you want to go Here and check this out They'll help you out here if you need any help with this go to this person They'll say this to if you need anything for here this at that anything else I can do for you And we're like this is a guy getting our letting us into the parking lot I'm like whoa dude like that was like well you pay for all that service too because that is expensive man When you go to Disneyland, yeah, if you go with two kids like to you and your wife and two kids You're gonna spend a lot of damn much as a ticket there now It's like almost 200 something for one. Yeah, it's well. That's to go to the other. It's crazy Yeah, I don't know. I was gonna say do you guys think it's worth it? Yes, dude. I do like I do It's just I mean thankfully the kids loved Legoland, right? So that was all it mattered But like it is not it was not set up for for adults or to be efficient like even you know how they have fast passes at like Disneyland so they had They do like this nickel and dime thing we have to buy these like I don't know what they're like They're they're little like tags that you have to like upgrade to be able to get on and you each person has to buy one And they're like an extra like 25 50 bucks each just to be able to get on these rides and Not waiting the line and all that kind of stuff Which is like, you know if it was like just me and one other person it might make sense You know if I really like Legoland, but the waiting in line with two kids, dude You know, it's really cool to see examples of this in business I think they're so neat because I remember being a kid going to Disneyland and being a kid and going to Great America and when you look at where both those companies are now and What they charge to get I mean Great America gives away Access like when I was a kid Great America was like $60 to get access and then you like a season pass We used to get season passes for like four or five hundred dollars or something crazy Like their season pass now is like $89 or a hundred something bucks And you have a season pass to go to Great America whenever you want And they so they had to play the price game of just like lowering lowering lowering lower Just charge everything else in the park. Well, I know it's not even that It's just that it's they're struggling to keep people there It's just like the water parks We used to have a big water park by where I used to grow up and it shut down just because people start going they get nasty They get run down. I mean Great America's turned into kind of kind of trashy dude when we were kids It wasn't it was really that bad. It was the jam. It was the jam man. It was it was a cop gun It was a cool place to be and it's not it's a great America still is it? Oh, it's six flags great America Yeah, and it's just it's a little ghetto now It's not as it's not as nice anymore and you see what's happening that they've had to play the price Wars game And then you see a company like Disneyland who's I remember going to Disneyland for a lot cheaper I was under a hundred dollars a ticket when I went when I was a kid like and now look where it's at I mean, it's they've been able to go raise their prices. Go look at staying at the Disneyland hotels I stay there. That's where you say for the third. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that'll kill you Well, that was one of those things is if you're gonna plan this big trip with your kids and stuff and make it memorable And whatever it's I think it should be worth it, right? Yeah, well with your kids you're already kind of trying to manage everything and it's chaotic and this and that so it's like It's nice when it's all already thought of for you, you know So it's like it's worth it a lot of times when you go on that level, but yeah, we also went to this with this brunch In San Diego for Easter, which was great But I was like I started to I don't know it was something about brunch and like buffets like it just doesn't rub me the Right way. It's just like everybody's just fucking gorgeous out. It's disgusting. I just like I can't stand watching people like Like I'm gonna have like earn my money's worth and like stack plates and fucking eat like like a fat fuck dude Have you been when's the last time you went into a lot of gross when you went to me been into like a hometown buffet? That's what buffets need to die. Oh, it's like why why not enjoy food? You know just a nice like oh my god. This is the best thing I've ever had versus like I just had a fucking You know a pound, you know five pounds of steak and eggs and crammed in some brownies and all kinds of shit The that's the selling point the selling point is all you can eat. Yeah, I mean, so that's why you go there disgusted I used to go home town buffet post-workout Yeah home I mean a buffet style and all you can eat sushi or like two no-nos for me That's like no absolutely. No, I'm not going to all you can eat sushi just doesn't sound right No, it doesn't I remember my so I remember this is my that's absolutely I remember like what one of the last times I went to sushi with one of my buddies and he Claims to love sushi and he took me to his place and we get there and sit down It's like all you can eat sushi Are you fucking kidding me all the amazing sushi places? We have in the Bay Area and you take me to an all you can eat sushi Bro, do you not understand how they can even do that? Let me break this down for you real quick Yeah, there's like three levels of like sushi like the sous chefs can like order right or whoever the fuck owns the Company right orders to do there and you they pay less money when they do the buffets or do the all you can eat They can't you can't afford fresh off the boat that morning to your to your place You know type of sushi for you know that cheap of a price You just would go out of business So what they do is they get the lower grade sushi so they can do that and so we're eating shittier sushi Like I know it before I even bite into you idiot like No, it's not fucking good doesn't work down. Yeah, the quality has to go down You can't convince why the volume convince me how good a gas station Susie Sushi a Chevron good idea. That's a deliz. Yeah, I took so for our spring break. We did have a good I yeah a time so you did that you did what did you guys do anything else or just yeah? Well, we also went to opening day for the San Diego Padres, which was a lot of fun You're there for opening day. Yeah, they had like what was cool is it's like nobody really takes baseball seriously there So it's like all about like the ambiance and like so they had all this stuff set up for kids to kind of like hit Whiffleballs and stuff, you know in the back and that's smart. Yeah, it was very family friendly And so yeah, we had a great time thing is dude Even you know the buffet all that like labeling we still had a great time I had a great time hanging out with my kids and stuff So and then they just like played in the sand and you know went to the beach and dug up a bunch of What was the temp up there? It was like 75 pretty much fine I Thought it was so crazy because I was watching your insta story and you're in like 75 78 degrees And I'm over in like 40 years and we're in the same snow So I love our stuff. I love California like where in California can you and your buddy? You know drive different directions on in the state and then one of us is up in the snow Well, you would you have your one to two hours away from snow or beach, you know warm or cold or whatever Dude, it's awesome. So would you would you do so we took so I wanted to do it's hike somewhere Yeah, so I wanted to do like different I want to do hikes each day with my kids and And we just do the whole experience So we bought them camel backs and I got them hiking shoes and I prepped because my daughter's eight So, you know hiking with an eight-year-old is a little that's gonna be challenging, right? Because she's got little legs so like if you know hike, you know four miles That's like, you know 20 for her right little gift to carry her at all So we had a conversation beforehand so first off getting the gear really pumped them both up But my son's 12 so he's cool, but for my eight-year-old she got really excited So she's like, oh I get to carry my own water and I'm like yeah in the day before we're gonna go to the grocery store I want you to pick out what you're gonna eat for lunch because halfway through the hike We're gonna stop and we're gonna make a picnic. So the deal was she got to pick whatever she wants So she picked fucking Lunchables Watch my daughter eat Lunchables. I feel like I'm she's smoking a cigarette Yeah Nasty meat and processed cheese and all things to you know, that's so you should you know What a good example though of like this is this is the book the bartering piece though, right? It's like, okay, you know, she's gonna do something like this I don't want to make it extra hard. I'm not trying to make it so taboo that you know I mean that she ends up rebelling and stuff So I wanted to know like I told her you can pick whatever you want as long as it's within reason and she picked You know and of course of all the Lunchable she picks the pizza one I'm like God, not only are you getting disgusting Lunchables, but you're like disgracing our heritage But anyway, so so they pick slap they got to pick their own food. She's also No, okay, they've been like the draw. No, this is not what you're too far She got the shoes. We got the camel back. So and then all you know before the day before I have a conversation with them I'm like, okay, so this is what hiking is like It's difficult. It's gonna be challenging We're gonna be tired and then Jessica taught me a while ago this term called type 2 fun. Have you guys heard of this? Yeah, you shared on the pocket. I show it with you guys well So I didn't I never knew that before so type 2 fun is when delay gratification. Yeah while you're doing something It's not necessarily enjoyable. It's afterwards when you think about it Like wow that was really cool and hard hikes tend to be like that right while you're doing them You're hot and you're sweating and you're tired, but then afterwards like you're so happy that you did it So I explained that to them. I said look this can be type 2 fun while you're doing it It's gonna be really challenging. I said, but I actually I think you guys are ready for this and I told my daughter I said, I think you can make this the entire way. I'm really I think you're strong enough I think you have enough persistence. So I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get her all psyched up You know, I mean pump pump her up. So the first day we went to the pinnacles and It was hot up there. It was actually 85 which is wow pretty yeah, which is pretty hot to hike It's a pretty it's a pretty decent temperature for hiking. So we start our hike we did six miles with the kids of a hike and it was a lot of climbing and it was a lot of this different stuff and I could just my daughter just poor little kid You know, she's drinking her water through her camel back and every once in a while She's like I need to stop right now. So be like, okay, so sit down. She'll stop and I'll be like, what's the matter? She's like my legs hurt. I'm like, okay, like well, we need to go again. We're taking too long She'd be like, okay, and so we'll keep going. So we were like Maybe a mile or three quarters of a mile away from this one particular cave that I wanted them to see But they were fried. She was fried. She's sitting down. She's like, I don't I don't think I can go anymore You might have to carry me And so I told him I said, well, I said we've went this entire way I said, you're gonna miss the most important part, but I'll leave it up to you You could totally do it if you want I said, but you know, I said, you know Champions tend to want to finish, you know, so if you want to be one of those kind of people So I give this speech right and so and then I do the takeaway clothes So then we're like, all right guys, let's just head back We're gonna miss it and so then my daughter stands up. She's like, no, we're gonna go We're gonna do this and she's like she starts taking off. So I'm so proud So we get to the very end then we're on our way back. It's hot. Everybody's sweating Probably I'm not even lying like how far would it be from here to like the front of our of our facility Not here, but the front of the facility in front of 50 yards. Maybe 50 yards, right? 50 yards away was the car. So we go around the bend and now you can see our car That's when she loses her shit because now she could see Comes crashing it reminds me of when you ever have to go like the bathroom so bad and you're holding it And then when you see the toilet that's when you're like, yeah, go quick I literally can't handle it anymore So she sees the car about 50 yards away and then she starts losing her shit, bro I'm like the cars right there start knocking together. I'm like you can see the car. It's right there I don't know what I'm feeling right now something. I'm feeling something She doesn't even have words to put like what she could feel but we finally get there and How was your son? He did no problem. No problem Then the next day we went to wilder ranch, which is you know where that is. Yeah, dude I didn't even know that place existed like Mustang ranch. No, so it's not no, it's not a brothel They're too young for that Hey kids, so what kind of trip was this we went uh, no, it's a hike along the coast and you It's a bunch of cliffs and it's gorgeous and there's one part where you can hike down and go to like this Secluded beach and and you could see all these all like in the same vicinity or each day you drove. No, these are different different days This is a highway one. Yeah, yeah, you can see sea lions and stuff Oh, well, that's neat. So each day you kind of planned a different hike We planned a different hike and and the kids were just we had a great time We got home and everybody slept real good that night, of course They ran back a second hike even after the first second day. Yep. Yep. She wasn't too sore the next day They were sore they were for sure sore and so then I explained to them of how I gave my daughter the talk about both my kids about Active recovery and how that's good for your legs and stuff like that So, you know, the whole time what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to Empower them to feel like Because it's you know, it's the chat. It's it's challenging as hell for little kids, especially decondition kids and let's be honest Most kids nowadays are even if they play sports. They're just They're just not conditioned that that moment will pay you tenfold down the road I guarantee that but it's someone who'd never hiked with like his family or did anything like that Like I just didn't care to do it ever until someone finally got I didn't like hike. Fuck you. I'm not hiking I have no desire to hike until I had someone actually make me with it now Katrina and I do this all the time It's like one of my favorite things to do. It's how you frame it, you know It's how you frame it for your kids. So, you know, I'm framing it with like I'm talking about nature I'm talking about grounding. I'm talking about, you know, the benefits of it We're away from electronics and this is what electronics do to you and Um, and then the challenge aspect of it and afterwards, you know, after the first and second hike I made I gave him a speech and I said I am really I said, yes, there was some complaining But I'm really proud of what you did and then I told my daughter I said, you know, we hiked six miles But for you that's like eight miles because your legs are so small I said, so I'm really proud of you make sure to tell your friends what you did And so you could tell she was kind of, you know, pumped up about it or whatever And you know, and then we had the Easter party at my aunt's house and then she gets this big Really complicated Lego set that no way she would have ever done on her own because she gets too frustrated But I think the hike Kind of gave her this mentality where I'm going to overcome So then the other morning she puts together this Lego set and it's definitely some frustrating moments But then she figured out on her own and she was super and it was really cool And you know watching that I was thinking about how we talk so much about How challenges what gives life meaning and how it's the process. It's not the goal And it dawned on me. What better example of that is than than Legos. You would just went to Legoland How many Legos would they fucking sell if they sold it already made for you like glued together? Here's your here's your toy. No, they'd sell none. There's nothing. Yeah, there's nothing to it When you're done, that's it's over. The fun part is is the process, right? Yeah This is that you can apply this to to your fitness when you're thinking about your And I thought about this is I'm watching her and I'm looking at this. I'm like, it's it's definitely challenging for her She's having a tough time But no way she would she have nearly as much fun or enjoy herself or have any meaning if I just gave her the toy made All put together That's interesting you put that together because I've also kind of had that moment where like they're They're in the moment of like building something out of the Legos and My son is he's very very good about going through the directions and like building it all the way to the end And completion and shows me and like it's awesome. It's great But I start to challenge him a little bit on like I want to see something from your own mind I want you to create something that doesn't exist You know like something that you want to make like a some kind of a spaceship like show me something some like And so he's been really like challenging himself to come up with ideas and like he's He's built some of the most crazy things. I've I've ever seen like And and like I got him this lego table and everything and he built this whole fortress for all of these little guys that that we got him and Started to make like a little stop motion film with him battling So it's just crazy to watch like the creative spark kind of happened, you know, just by Just trying like in intentionally to to really work on expressing that Do you see a difference between each boy like as far as like who's more creative than the other? Um, yeah, right now. I mean Ethan's older and so he's like he's really kind of coming into his own as far as like Like having creative ideas and like expressing and he's very He's very builder kind of motivated like he loves building legos and showing them and like He's really into of course. He's really into war and stuff because he's a boy Ethan's the one that's less into sports, right? Yeah, he's less he's less than he's more into sports to hang out with his friends and like the experience of it No, not at all Yeah, and then ever on the other end of it is totally more of the competitive like Yeah, and I think too that being the younger Like less like he's always trying to be stronger than Ethan like trying to pick him up and like trying to out wrestle him And so he's like very Very much more competitive and now this is rare that this happens But sometimes you see this in families where like the younger brother ends up being bigger and kind of tougher Do you foresee him kind of being that like as they get older like he's going to be kind of that bad ass and like Yeah, it could happen. I mean that's what happened with me and my brother So, you know, it was kind of what you call your older brother pussy right now In everything, you know every sport that existed I hope you listen to me. So, uh, well said for ping pong, but who cares about that? It's like a real sport, bro Yeah I mean he could read like way more books than me, you know He could read more books. He could play ping pong. He played half of us. He's got that on me That's about it It's tough to tell with young kids too because a lot of times they stay change as they get older Like my youngest, uh, my youngest sister was Just this insane little rascal that would climb things and cry and she was stubborn as fuck and For sure everybody was like, oh when she's a teenager, you guys are screwed and then the other my other younger sister Was a super quiet timid Played with dolls like kind of did everything she was told and everybody's like, oh, she's gonna be so easy And then when they became teenagers, it was like they swapped Totally swapped my young the one who's the crazy one Yeah, was like at home all the time reading and super quiet and then my other sister was like the party animal going crazy And it's just it's funny. So you never know. Yeah, you never know. That's the thing. It's just speculating. Yeah I could kind of see like one versus, but yeah, you never know. It might switch at some point speaking of creativity Did you guys watch ready player one? I haven't watched don't even do not talk about i'm not gonna ruin it for you I'm just gonna say this right now instant classic Instant movie the year instant 100% I mean, dude, I know there's all the elements that I love Here I'll I'll say this. I'm not gonna trust me. I won't give it away. The guy dies at the end Come on, man. No, no, no, that's not what happened. I won't give it away, but uh it has It has the same instant classic feel that um like the goonies or Back to the future. Oh, wow, you know really weird ones for you to compare to no, okay You'll know when you watch it. Well, Steven Spielberg directed it, right? Yes. Well, you know when you watch those movies the first time It's that it's that it's that it also did et and yes It has that feel where you watch it and you instantly want to watch it again where it's like it's this adventure It's like all this great stuff so much pop culture by the way references. Justin I have to watch it with you. All right, because as I'm watching my kids didn't recognize half the stuff But as I'm watching I'm like, oh my god, that's that that's that's oh, that's that they're alluding to this and they're It's like I have to watch it like well, that's so good. Maybe we should all go to watch it again Even though you're down. Yeah, we should we should all go because I've been waiting field trip I've been waiting for the traffic to slow down on it because it's so it was so popular Bro go to oak ridge and get the reserve seating. I know I was doing that anyways Dude, the reserve ceilings were filling up to to those recliner seats. Oh, they got those Up in sancers they have seed heaters here. Oh sweet. Yeah, so you just lay back Although I will knock them a little bit because I might fall of all the recliners are kind of the the cheesier cheap ones You know I'm saying but there's still a fucking 10 times better than what was in there before But the fact that you can reserve the seats now is dope because that's cool. I like that a lot better Yeah, that's speaking of shows. I'm gonna do it. Are you watching billions yet? Are you watching billions? Yeah, okay, so I that's in my queue and I just started watching silicon valley But billions was the one that I was like dude so excited about Sal you're the only one that hasn't got because I know Doug watches that show. I love that show Are you the only one that doesn't watch that show? I don't watch it. No, I don't have arguably my favorite show Yeah, I mean and this season is coming out five I wonder if they have it on hulu. Well, it's on show time. So you won't get it for you gotta Well, you gotta like go all the way from beginning though, man that oh, it definitely start you start the beginning It's fucking it's a must fire. Yeah, is it also here about uh, you'll love it Chantating right or Tatum, whatever his fucking name is, right? He's a ladies. He's single now. Oh, he's divorced divorce Your marriage. Yeah, I guess I'm nine year nine is nine. You do that I tend to follow Shannies we were taxing the other days Tain them through a tough time I don't give a fuck. I do remember I read a headline. I remember it said nine years. That's all Look at you, dude. Oh brother. That boy can move. Who cares? That's stupid. He crushed magic might do that. I don't watch that. You didn't watch it. No I even heard so the older guy was the guy with like the kind of silvery hair was the one that was the Hit of that movie not even him. Oh, that's what I heard. Katrina actually knows knows who the movie was based on and everything Knows the guy. It was like a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. How does she know? Of course Because she was in the stripper industry She's gonna get so mad. I said that she gets so mad. She oh really She's gonna get mad. I sold her out too. She dated a male stripper at one point. Wow. Yeah Obviously helps her put up with my bullshit. You know what I'm saying? So that's this Like hey, you know that you've got to deal with me. That's nowhere near as bad as having a stripper for It's always right whenever she gets mad at me. I'm like you could have a stripper for a boyfriend Things could be worse. Take you and send her with a bunch of wrinkly ones Slap on the table all sweaty. That's so disgusting I did I did do something else. I went to go watch the Cirque Cirque de Soleil here in San Jose Oh, yeah at the arena. Yeah, dude, you you should have gone. You missed it. Danny and my cousin were there. They actually went to I love on Sunday to to the it was the first time it's ever been on ice, right? That was a big deal So Jessica when she was traveling with the Cirque she was a guardian her job was to be a guardian for One of the young performers So when they have a performer that's under 18 They have a guardian that's with them that watches over them Make sure is that you know make make sure that they go they take their classes and do other stuff and not do Other things and so the girl that she was a guardian for You know is now an adult and is now One of the main characters and sir. Oh, wow. So we got to watch this girl do so she's so the The name of this show is crystal So she plays crystal at the very end so for people who watch the show at the very end There's a version of crystal because the whole show is taking you through this girl's life And she plays the version of crystal that does this these crazy aerial Moves on a trapeze with another dude like extremely extremely dangerous crazy ridiculous mobility and in Body awareness type of stuff. It's just as a trainer watching this I'm looking at the stuff that they're doing And it's mind-blowing like these there were guys on on ice skates That were doing like crazy flips and shit in the back and throwing each other in the air and then landing on their skates In the ice. Yeah, I mean if you fall you're done So you're not gonna make it, you know, then there was this one guy and I think it's called the straps But he hangs by one arm on the strap So it's just his left arm the entire time hanging his body and he's spinning and twisting and holding on to other people and flipping and then at one point his arm is behind his back in Like basically in jujitsu. It's like a chimera. Like this is how you break someone's arm That's how he's suspending his body in the in the thing and spinning and I'm like how the shoulder mobility and strength of this guy Is so insane. How can you do that? I have a question for you. I hope he switches it up like each performance I don't I asked her that I said, do they switch it up and she goes, uh, no highly unlikely. It's you're so specialized Well, think about the skill involved. You're so specialized that you probably don't have the time You right to practice the other one makes sense. Yeah, but man Have you ever asked her? I've always been curious to like how well They all get paid and like obviously obviously if you're the main event you get paid decent very well Really very well. Well, tell me what's so that I don't know what the average salaries are Um specifically, but here's here's tell me like what an entry level person makes I don't know. I'll ask her that but I do know that they make I know a lot of them make more than six figures But here's a deal like you're you're traveling with the circus So if you're a performer if you're a gymnast or You know, you let's say you do small Circuses in Europe because there's a lot of shows that are around the world. They're just not nearly as well known But yeah, but if you're for the circus, I mean that's if you that's the top of the line Right, you make a lot of money. They pay for your housing. They pay for a lot of your food So not only do you make good money, but you don't spend any of it You don't have to spend any of it because you don't usually don't have to travel with them everywhere You travel with them everywhere Now the the one that Jessica did was she would travel to different countries and she would stay for three weeks at a time So three to like five weeks I think I think the longest she stayed Was in brazil was I think a few months But that's because they went to different parts of brazil because the circus brazil is incredibly popular But this one this arena tour that they're doing they're staying like one week at a time So but so that can be kind of strenuous, but they you know, great medical great everything They if you're a kid they give you school so to provide your school. So these people will go for five Years eight years nine years traveling with the circus and then they'll leave and we'll have a shit ton of money That they just saved while they were doing all right as I can't really spend it So what was it that drove Jess from it? Why didn't she not want to keep doing it? I didn't realize it was good, but I assumed that it wasn't I thought it was like one of those things that it just more No, no, no, you get paid you know who gets paid the most She told me the the clowns and the singers get paid the most. Yeah, I did not realize that So yeah, so the people who so if you go to a circus show and this is and I may be getting some of this wrong Because we've had lots of conversations, but I'm pretty sure she said that So if you ever go to a circus show you see the live singers who are you know singing during the shows and many of these She said they get paid quite a bit and then the clowns and the clowns I guess it's because here's something I didn't know so when we went to the show She she was talking to her friend who you know the girl that she used to guard in you know before the show and her friend said Oh the second act After Intermission had to get changed so you know something else is going to be thrown in the middle And so I asked her said how often does that happen? And she's like all the time if a prop breaks if someone gets sick or something happens On the fly they change the show So you can watch a show two nights in a row and you'll notice like different things Right, so they it's just like sports where they have a bunch of backup plays like in case you got to call an audible You have to right and so a big job of the clown is to make up for some of the stuff or to entertain Transition entertain the crowd the clowns have lots of different skills So there's a lot of responsibility on them to manage the show versus just someone who's specialized in swinging and flipping And it's like that's your one trick. That's what you do and that makes sense But it's extremely it's extremely so why did just leave you didn't tell me why Oh, well think about it this way dude if you're living at a hotels, uh, you're traveling Constantly traveling you don't have any solid base at some point you might and maybe some people don't but some people might be like Look, I'm kind of over it now. I want to stay in one place I want to because it can I can imagine how exhausting well, is that what it was for her? She was just over it They were over it She was married at the time they wanted to leave and kind of just you know start a regular life for her Her husband and her her husband was a performer. Oh wow. Yeah, he was one of the bases For varikai, which was a show that ran for like 10 years or whatever But it's the amount of training they do and what goes behind like You you see the people in the show, but there is there are so many employees and staff that put that together Obviously, especially the tents like they have to work that to put the tents up They have to put up the food it's like they build Every time they move city they build a city Yeah, a hundred percent what they bring their doctors with them they bring So there's all the staff trainers physical therapists like teachers for the schools So it's a huge production. It's pretty crazy. I want do you know like roughly I would say the last one I went to It's probably a couple thousand People watch at a time. Well the one in the arena the ones in the arenas are massive. Oh wait. That was a sap Oh, yeah, so that's seven. That's 17,000 people. That was full. Wow. They're there for a week They were there for a week and they do a week seven shows it. Yep. Wow That's very dude and those tickets are over a hundred dollars. Some of them are more to get away more depending on how Where yeah, it's a minimum. It's like 115. It's a massive organization. It's based out of canada and it is like again, if you're if you if you're an acrobat or you're in gymnast or You know, you're that kind of a performer Like these circuses or the circus like one of the you know, one of the pinnacles Like that's where you can go professional because her friend or the girl that she that she was the guardian for was a National I think she got second in the world at the age of 11 or 12 for the uk So she was a top top level gymnast and then she got recruited by the circ and When she what she did at varikai was she was like So jessica's husband was the one of the bases and this young girl who she was guardian for Was this girl that they would throw up in the air and do all these crazy flips and stuff And she was doing it. She was like 15 years old, right? I got flyer like a cheer. Yeah, but just crazy stuff Right, right, but it's extremely dangerous. I mean for the past three years They've had a one death each year, which is kind of crazy Yeah, the last one that's really when you think about how Because the staffs I mean it's big, but it's not fucking huge Not like a company of 10,000 people of one person dies every year. That's a fucking that's crazy Well before that there were no deaths for like 15 years So they've had a string now It's been pretty bad and the the last two deaths I were during a live show. I believe Yeah, so yeah, one of them where I was a god. What was he doing? I can't remember. She told me all about it. But anyway, the guy was he was really high and his body went Oh, he was doing the straps. I think and Somehow let go or the strap didn't wasn't secured and just landed on his head on the ground Yeah in front of everybody But here's the thing you want to consider because she was she was very sad about it And she barely knew the guy she she knew of him But she says yeah when stuff like that happens You're you're if you're with a show and you're one of the main performers or whatever Or any what doesn't matter a lot of these people will stay for years three four five ten years and they'll travel with one show So her friend who's doing crystal will probably do crystal until That show is done, which will be you know, who knows how long it'll be seven years ten years or whatever, right? You're traveling with the same You know 300 people For ten years or five years like that is your family like everything you do you travel every, you know So when somebody when something like that happens, it's absolutely I wonder I wonder how many relationships are within that because you're traveling with him. You're living with them Everybody tongues. It's like everyone's husband. Her wife is. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. My wife people marry each other My wife is the the bearded lady over there. You know saying like, oh, yeah But I mean and so the cool thing was because because Jess traveled with them for so long She did I think five years She Entered into that not really having she had no experience with acrobatics No experience with any of stuff was just traveling with her husband ends up working for them while she was there and then Because she made friends with everybody She got trained on her on how to do the silks and on flexibility by like the best in the world You know, I mean these are like the best acrobats and coaches in the world And because she can became friends with them, they would just train her and teach her for free So within like four or five years she became like this badass silks, you know performer and god Oh, wow. So she wasn't even initially there for that bro. She couldn't eat. No, not at all. Oh, no No, no, no, no. She was she was just because she was married to the guy who to her. Oh, I didn't know that See, I thought maybe they both did that they met there and then started Oh, he was involved at first and because she was around at all times She got trained became really good and then she actually got super bro She said she could she could barely touch her toes beforehand Now she could do the splits in the silks with one leg on the other side And because she got trained by like these crazy russian like acrobats She would that would make her cry. She's I was gonna say Oh, yeah, those methods. Oh, yeah, she said it's brutal, right? She said they were they would like some of that. I've seen like some Chinese clips of uh, yeah them them training some It's like uh, old school vandam where you tie your legs between the two palm trees, you know I'm saying let the palm trees spread your legs out a part like that. You remember that scene? Yep. That's a great movie Is that bloodsport that was a kickboxer. Oh, is that kick? That's the one where he goes He's getting trained by like the the the tie the type, uh, you know the old tie coach or whatever And he's kind of going for a jog and he's kind of going slow. He's so flexible. It's like, I don't believe it No, I don't believe there's any power behind those kicks Depend dude actually van damms the van dam Steven Seagal, those are all real deal guys that like as far as with I mean, obviously the movies fucking Van Damme didn't do a spinning a spinning 360. No dude Seagal's a badass Have you seen some of those videos of him like doing his a keto and like everybody's just falling? I know somebody listening right now I know his martial art that he does is supposed to be kind of a I was a huge fan of his too, but I have a tough time. Do you remember when uh, I don't know about him What uh, why can I not think of his name? Steven Seagal and him trained a little bit. Who's UFC? Oh He taught him the front kick and that front kick fucking knocked out quite a few people bro. That was pretty anti couture Yeah, dude. So he's the real it. Yeah, he probably whipped one of our asses. Let's put another yeah He's got enough training knows more than me Well, here's the deal with that kind of flexibility when you're an acrobat and you're training with that kind of Flex so so there's contortionists and then there's like acrobats that actually have to support themselves With their flexibility attention, right? So then you're you're strong. You're definitely strong in those positions Definitely, but yeah, there's that scene in the movie where where John Clevenham's running kind of slow And then the old coach is like here put this on your leg and it's like just a piece of meat He straps around his leg and he's like what he looks he's looking at like what are you doing? He's like it'll make you run faster like it's some like ancient like tie wisdom or whatever outcomes the dog Then he let's the dog lose to chase him Good time So did you guys hear walmart now is going uh, they're they're now testing out no Checkouts and no like like that amazon. Oh, they are they're making moves let the wars begin Oh, yeah, I mean they've they've invested a lot of money into the online presence. They're actually redoing their whole website I believe on top of that because it's like, yeah They're the only ones that are actually like still competing with amazon bro. You go in well They're the only they're the only ones that could even battle them financially like it's you know When you get one of the things I've definitely learned as we get keep growing even ourselves and the more you get Around these bigger CEOs and bigger companies. It's like it's literally a race to who can spend the most money It's like who has enough capital that they can go throw Millions of dollars that are like a project like that for walmart has to be a fucking Hundred million dollar project to even do that like oh, it's a massive massive steering project man Like that's just it if you've done business for so long and you've become so big and walmart's the largest employer in america Massive massive massive Do you know if it was owned by one person it would be the richest person in the world? It's because they divided over the entire family If you combined all their net worth off of what they make off of well walmart, they would shit on everybody It's they've they they've done some and there's some stuff business-wise that people don't like but let's face it They have mastered the art of efficiency In many many different ways. So it's going to be like the old versus the new It'll be interesting because because walmart's a monster So it'll be an interesting battle see what happens my bet still on amazon war. Yeah, you think so Yeah, I just I think because they're in so many other spaces too. They just gives them other Leverage and opportunity because you see what they're doing with robotics too. You see what where he's going that There's I think he's still two three steps ahead I think walmart and I forgot he owns the washington post and like his read Basically has redone the way that we look at news right You know like he's got algorithms and everything already that everybody's biting off of At this point to me when I see something like that with like a walmart Um, it's more like a desperate move to stay alive because it's the inevitable is happening The inevitable is happening amazon's gonna gobble us up. Yeah, we could spin under us bit the dust now They're just like oh shit. We better really get serious Right, so it's like I think this is the last straw to try and hang on for as long as you can But if you're if you're walmart execs you've got to be thinking in the back of your head like We had a great run. We had a great run. We did all these great things Sure, we're making tons of money store right now, but you have to see what's coming You have to know that the future is upon it dude really soon here I don't think we're gonna do grocery stores lines shopping and lines and mall. Shit is gonna die, dude Well, so what they're it's not gonna be like it's showrooms everywhere Well, it's because what they're doing is they haven't lines. It's like amazon. They have an app you go in You scan what you want And then you walk out with it and so you're gonna be able to go to these stores and there won't there won't be There'll be like one employee in there, right? Right? I mean, that's awesome But even then it's gonna be like what you just did the other day Which is you go in there and you literally amazon it and then you know it's gonna be at your house tomorrow You're like i'm like i'm gonna carry it in my car, you know, well think about it this way Yeah, they might if they organize it right if they organize it the right way An amazon store may actually be able to provide you cheaper Than delivery because now there is no delivery if you're willing to drive to the store and just grab it yourself You may actually it may start to flip again where you actually start to save money for certain products I could see how that may It's it's hard to it's hard to predict. There's certain things they with a grocery store I know there's people that are going to want to like look at their fruits and vegetables And they want they have the they have their like this bro You can order now from whole foods now you can order and they'll deliver it to your house Yeah, I think within a few hours. So they so safely has been doing like delivery service for a long I actually used to use it damn near 10 years ago Um, and the only knock that I had on it So, you know, sometimes it would show up and they didn't have one or two things that you would put on your list And so that you they would you just wouldn't get it, you know That's what they say. Oh, we were out of stock on that or you know You would get ahead of lettuce and you're like, oh, I wouldn't have picked this had a lettuce, you know Like so those are the drawbacks that will still keep people coming into just like somebody who buys a pair of Sneakers, you know, some people for sure want to go in and try them on Like if I'm going to spend a hundred some dollars on a pair of sneakers I want to at least put them on my feet see what they feel like someone like me Who owns already air maxes roach all these shoes. It's like I already know what they feel like I already know the sizing on them like I can I'll just order them online There's no reason for me to go into it I don't even try when I go to shoe stores to this like to this day I don't try them on they're like I need a 12 and that I know I know the shoe brand and I know the sizing and how they fit and it's like I just want to know if you have it if you haven't I got it I forgot what what hurricane it was. It was like a natural disaster where the the coast guard couldn't get water To people in time and so walmart got it there in time because walmart had they're so That was the new orleans one. Was it? Yeah, I believe it was that one. I believe it was that one I'm not a hundred percent sure on that But I think it was that yeah because they figured out efficiency like on a whole that was a hurricane Katrina I think you think it was the big one. Yeah Yeah, I think it was I think I think I don't know though. I could be wrong I could be wrong, but I remember I remember that being a big deal A lot and there was a you know, I don't remember who was What was going on in office at that time and how much heat he took it's funny. We had this come I just had this conversation Yesterday where so we were watching this episode of electric dreams that show I told you guys about amazon By the way, all the episodes aren't They're not all excellent. Some are not as good as I see this like black mirror Yeah, but the first one the first episode was fire. Anyway, there was an episode where There were these three guys working in this it was way in the future And it's this this tech plant and the plant is making like, you know Like parts for machines or whatever and they're and there's just three of them working this massive in this massive You know plant and they're just doing like this mundane shit And at the end and there's a part in the show where they're having a conversation one of the guys like Well, he's like, why are we here? Like why are we even doing this work? They don't need us to do this and the other guys like well According to law, they need to have some humans here and the unions fought for it So be grateful and we were laughing because I thought about that because that's the that's totally true I could totally see how people would say no you you need to employ a certain amount of people because we can't go fully Automated because we need to have jobs or whatever. Yeah, and I was thinking about this and it's like You know, it only costs Uh, it only cost mankind or humanity It costs us wealth. It costs us innovation. It costs us so many different things by reducing efficiency just to try to You know to try to take care of other people or whatever because it looks like it's a good thing Like if we can be more efficient, we always should always if it's more efficient always go more efficient because That's what creates wealth and that's what makes things more available to more people And so when you look at this kind of stuff because I you know, your your knee jerk reaction when you hear Walmart and you know, these other grocers who are eliminating All these positions where it's going to be automated is like you immediately think of like, oh all these poor people Who lose, you know who lose jobs, but the reality is the the dramatic increase in efficiency Creates more wealth for for everybody. That's just how economies grow So initially it looks bad, but really it's it's not it's just you're just making things more fish It would be no different than eliminating all the telling it, you know Making it illegal to to own a tractor and say no Everybody should use shovels because now we're going to employ five times the many people Because a tractor will do the job of five people. You know, this is terrible This is such a touchy subject and topic too because Man, I have I have my best friend who I grew up like this go all the way back to elementary school And in in our old town that we grew up and we grew up in a very small town up by a Don Pedro lake And I mean the high school had like a hundred students in it when I was a kid in there it's like that small right and Right now they're going through this battle where there's there's only like One major market like grocery. It's not even like a real grocery store It's more like a gas station grocery store liquor store everything all combined And then there's like a little hardware store and there's all these little like mompaw Brands that or shops that have been running their business off the small community there for probably the last 50 years plus or whatever And in comes this general store. And I don't know if you guys have seen general General, uh, yeah, it's general store Dollar general, excuse me dollar general Store which is basically like those dollar stores. Yeah, right And you know, it's a huge company. That's like nationwide And they this is what they specialize in is going into these small towns like this It feels a little predatory because it's it's it's going into these like town meeting over it It's fucking my buddy's parent like income I have a really hard time like with where I stand on it because I I see both sides Right, it's I got somebody close to me who it directly affects their income because they own they own property Of the store one of the stores that it will directly compete with that's gonna out fuck them and having at least there So it's like so of course they're fighting to keep it out But then I have my other free market mine that goes Well, I mean shit if they're gonna come in and employ people if they get right They're gonna employ people they're gonna provide more stuff for a better rate. It's like Well, it's hard for me to get get behind that. Here's the bottom line if if they don't like it This is funny. It makes me laugh when they have these town meetings It's like really you you can fucking make sure they don't succeed Just don't buy shit there like it's all it is within your power. The the real problem is People don't like the reflection that the market provides So what I mean by that is they see a Walmart move in or they see something else move in And then all these other small stores shut down because they're cheaper more efficient and and they provide better Or you know or more variety or whatever and they don't like the way that looks so they want to ban it Instead just don't shop there. You know what I mean put your money where your mouth is The truth is if that general store moves in and the town decides not to shop there Then guess who goes out of business the general store does. Yeah, but we know it's gonna happen We know it why right why because it's that's it because it's better So that's why I say I have a really it's a really tough conversation for me to have because again I've got family and friends on that side that it's directly affecting But then I also have the other side of me that you know if I've always if they weren't in the mix I would 100% be like, oh my god, I'm totally for the store coming in there. It's better. It's cheaper Why would as a consumer? That's a no-brainer But you know when it's somebody who's closer you actually have to start to think that way like oh, shit Dude, my boy's had that property for 30 well That's why it's tough to always have the same thing and never evolve and you know Like some of these stores that I mean you love because it's kind of quaint And it's like something that has been there always but at the same time never changed And so it's like inevitably something's going to come through and and that's just how it goes What's that that short read who moved my cheese or whatever that's a short read right there that's a good one for almost You know, it's just it is it's true. Justin. I think that It's so important. We talk about personal growth all time and that obviously leads into business too Like you can't just not the same thing. You've got to be constantly growing got to be constantly evolving You got to be thinking about those things. You're you're either growing or dying always people just don't think about that It's like your neck. There's no such thing as like I'm cruising along or business And you want to protect people because no one likes to be an asshole, you know and come through and just gobble these like Businesses up, but it's just like that's just how things go dude if if I'm if I'm a business owner and another business comes in and Now if they were lying or they were, you know stealing or doing something like that's different But if they were just competing with me Um, and I'm getting my ass kicked like I'm not going to get mad at the business I'm gonna if I need to get mad at anybody I'll look at my customers be like you fucking unloyal sons of bitches Why would you guys should keep coming here or I'd look at myself? Which is probably that's the better thing to do and be like, okay What can I do? Yeah to compete better? What unique service can I provide that's different or yeah or like You know if I need to be competitive, what does that look like, you know, all that stuff Let me let me tell you this right now the the vast majority of jobs that existed 150 years ago don't exist today Actually, I don't know it'd be hard to find one that currently exists that that you know that existed back then So that's just the way it fucking works So to yes, we can look at the immediate and say all these people are losing their jobs But why are they losing their jobs? Because things are becoming more efficient Things are becoming better and consumers are choosing those things which is better for most I just said something right now that you know, there's the last 100 years You think there's not very many jobs that exist very few. Well, you know what I'm thinking of you know Which ones exist the government ones, of course. I guess we just rejected that you said that I went the dmv Some of a bit firefighters cops teacher. I mean, there's a lot of positions That are still exactly the same in a sand obviously they've all evolved a little bit and changed but I mean for the most part Those have stayed Very very similar protected Right, look at look at what you know that tells me that tells me like what if that if it wasn't protected Would we have we would we and how we would everything would look different now Everything would look different. Do you let me ask you this market changes so fast Do you really think that if if it wasn't this crazy super hyper regulated market for education? That you would go to a university and spend $50,000 for an education and then on top of it spend A hundred two hundred three hundred dollars for a book A paper book I know today. That's how much kids are spending right now You go to college right now you go take a course And you and then you take a psychology course or a medical whatever and they say here's the book You have to buy and then you have to go buy this book and it's a hundred and fifty Where else in america does a book cost a hundred and fifty dollars when you could stream or download that Shit for probably twenty five cents or less, right? So yeah, but is that what everyone's doing? Like I mean, I'm not in school right now. I don't have anybody close to me That's in like college like if that was the case. I'm in college. It's already changing I was gonna say you if I was in college I would be a kid who'd be like fuck this. I'm not buying the I'll just put it on my iPad I'll buy I'll stream it or find it downloaded or whatever I'm sure there's and you know too the way everyone pirate shit now There's got to be a the Napster of schoolbooks The Napster of like college schoolbooks has gotta be out there They go way out of their way to try to protect the books by changing them every year I remember just being when I was at San Jose state like they had Just started like Amazon and they had just started Like reselling these books and so you could find used books for like Not even a fraction of what they cost it in the regular like student store I was like, thank god like because it was like you say it was like 500 bucks for like a textbook You're like, what the fuck like are you serious? And so you'd find it for like 20 bucks and he just Man, I don't care if it's got highlighters and fucking medicine drawing it. I don't care medicine you're you're you're So are the way we do our health care? Extremely regulated No, I'd resell it. Let's be honest by your own book Education education health care The the the housing market like all the things that are the most regulated. No, I know when you said it You just kind of great you glazed right over it and I was like wait a second You are kind of right, but no you're wrong There's a lot of company or business jobs that still exist and they're almost exactly the same But before I said something I was like all those are almost all these protective Well, look at government based. What does that tell you about this way? How long did taxi did taxi cabs? Were they the same the whole system? How long was it the same for decades? For decades, it was the same shit. You go and you go And you know how long it was before taxi cabs took freaking credit card? Do you know why they take credit card now? Because they because uber and all these other companies wasn't because taxi cab companies thought it was a great idea You know I'm saying how long was that was that an issue where you it's the same shit It was the same shit forever because they had these crazy regulations and laws that literally made it a monopoly So in order for you to have a tax you got to buy this medallion that cost $50,000 in New York And there's a limited amount because they passed law saying they can only sell so many to guarantee that they're always going to have work And there's no competition and that's why it's so hard to get a cab and this that and the other And then you know uber came out because uber existed in an unregulated space Because without tech they would have never been able to do what they did It's so beautiful too because what you see look at how many people like look at how many people are using uber now Like I didn't take taxi overnight. I didn't take taxis anywhere, but I do take ubers now You know what I'm saying? I never took a taxi. It's so efficient Yeah overnight and that almost overnight literally think about it this way decades you had just taxis for decades uber comes in and within like what I don't know five years destroys the whole market in a very So imagine if they if they lifted regulations on other things like Like you know like in medicine like Honestly, do I need to have do I do I need to have a prescription from a doctor To get birth control. Let's use that as an example Why do I need to go to a doctor to get birth control prescription a pharmacist could probably give that to me You need to look at your vagina Yeah, but pharmacists could probably give that to me Do you know what one of the companies that taylor is talking to you right now is on the front end of that with on the men's like Erection pills and stuff, right? So that's what they're they're trying to bypass this whole why you got to go in to go see a doctor to get prescribed All that shit's like you've got if you got a boner issue. You should be able to get these pills We know we don't need to tell the whole world, right? No, that's exactly that's exactly what they're trying to do It's supposed it's supposed to be like that. So it's a company that we've me and my limb dick alone You know Doug bring on the bird Hey adam before we get going here a few listeners have been asking about some of your recipes for organifi I have no idea how to find those so and by the way, too I'm going to get back to that just to give everyone the heads up I've been getting back in the swing of my training and everything and the first process for me was just getting back to Lifting and shit like that and and I this week was the first week at prep food And so I'll also be making a lot more of my organifi recipes like I was before and sharing my stories So that being said if you want if you don't want to wait for when I'm going to be posting stuff The two places that I get it from Doug is If you go to the website, it's kind of weird how you have to find these. I don't know why And maybe I'm wrong and there's other places But when I go to the website You go down I'll scroll all the way down the bottom of the website And there's an area that shows up where the blogs are and you click the blog tab And then you just kind of like slide through the blogs and there's a lot of different blogs written on like Different shakes and pancakes and muffins and protein balls and ice cream stuff and popsicles sweet potato I mean, there's a ton of different recipes on there and then they actually put a lot on their their instagram So if you're not following the organifi instagram They post some print and a lot of the recipes are good man. The products are good. They mix well with food Um, I do it a lot. I just haven't been lately and I'm tell you guys right now. I'll get back into it So that's where I get them all This clause brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout All right, our first question is from muscle mouse. Yeah Is there a difference in meal timing for men and women and how it affects body composition? Meal timing this keeps coming up You know, I think we need to address it just because it keeps coming up because it's something that I know We've talked about which by the way reminds me. This is a good time to to plug this when I'm thinking about it We have a free app on itunes. So if you guys download on itunes, you go there and look for mine pump Uh, you can download the app for free And this is perfect for some of this if you actually put meal timing in you would actually hear It'll it'll populate all the episodes where we've discussed topics like this So I always encourage people to if you follow us you listen to the show download the app You know definitely search for a question that you might have first and then if you can't find it then absolutely We're up here. So we should just yeah, we should just answer this completely different this time It matters a lot everything everything now base everything around this, you know, uh meal timing It matters somewhat but not nearly as much as uh as they'll make you believe I remember Okay, so meal timing this whole like you have to eat At these particular intervals or make sure you eat right after you work out or you have to eat Don't eat before bed like all these different types of things were typically put out To sell you more products, you know, so so let me let me break that down for you if I If I can sell you on the fact that you need to have food right after your workout because Right after your workout, you know, there's this window this anabolic window where Most of the food that you eat is going to go to repair and rebuild muscles And it's great for fat loss and all these different things and chewing food takes too long And I save that and I sell you that idea The odds that you'll that that meal will be a shake or a bar are quite high because post workout is an Incommonent time to eat for a lot of people. You know, you got to take you What are you going to do you're going to open up your tupperware? You're going to bring your chicken bread, which some bodybuilder guys do which is funny Which they tend to do And or if I sell you the idea that you need to eat small meals throughout the day because You know and the way we used to sell it was and I say we because I did the same thing This is what I thought to be true If we say You know, if you go too long without meals your body goes into starvation mode and then it starts to store body fat And so if you feed your body Every few hours or every two hours Your body knows it's going to have food coming again It gets used to it and it gets in it more readily burns calories because of this, you know consistent flux of Food and that's what we used to say to people and that's also bullshit now. Why now why would they sell that? Well, if I can sell you that you need to eat five or six meals a day The odds that one to three of those meals are going to be bars or shakes bars or shakes is quite high Because the average person is not a super dedicated bodybuilder willing to carry around around, you know Tupperware containers of food Most people will eat breakfast lunch and dinner or maybe lunch and dinner and then they'll just say well cool I heard I'm supposed to eat small meals throughout the day. So I'm just gonna buy You know these bars and walk and have them with me And I know that my snack is going to be this protein bar My next meal is going to be a real meal and the next meal is going to be a shake And so these myths just they just permeated the fitness industry You know in such a way that they became common knowledge to the point where Here's the deal. This is the truth now, and I know it's true for you guys too because we've talked about this I was a trainer professionally or in fitness professionally for for 20 years It took me 10 years to Figure out that the eating small meals and eating post-workout and all the important How important they were that it was largely bullshit It took me 10 years to figure that out because it was from every You know magazine from every information outlet from every fitness organization Including the gym I worked for or the certifications I took or the You know where everything I read said the same thing So you assume that it's true if you read it from everyone it's it becomes common knowledge And it's totally true Well about 10 years into my career I read this book called the warrior diet which talks about fasting And then I was on the forums on bodybuilding.com and I read all these athletes who were like, oh man, I feel I feel great. I haven't lost any muscle. I haven't gained any body fat. It's way more convenient now instead of eating six meals I just eat two or I just eat three or some people say I just eat one And that prompted me to actually look into the science Behind meal timing to see does Eating six meals a day burn more body fat and build more muscle than say eating two or three times a day And the science says it does note nothing nothing. There is no difference. Right now. This is general and what I mean by general is Generally speaking it does nothing does that mean on an individual basis that eating small meals is not going to benefit you? No, it might actually benefit you because that's that may be the way you prefer to eat or You may be a big bodybuilder who's consuming 5,000 calories a day in which case That's gonna be tough to do in two or three meals. It's almost impossible. Yeah. Yeah, think about the two That's 2,500 calorie, especially if you're trying to eat healthy. That's right, right Try and eat 2,500 calorie. Try and eat 2,000 calories healthy in one sitting. I mean Push in over 1,500. I mean unless you're having a big huge ribeye steak and something else Even then you're so satiated like getting through that's gonna be brutal And this is I just say I just talked to someone in their day about similar topic as this and They were asking about supplements and meal timing And they're like, you know, did you did you do that? And I'm like, yeah, you know, when I when I'm competing I'm using some supplements and I am and I am meal timing But it's on the very bottom of my list as far as the order of things that I start to take over like right now Absolutely. I'm not meal timing or using any supplements. Why would I do that when there's so many other things I need to fix Within my routine my nutritional routine my exercise routine. There's so many other big rocks I need to pick up first before I start Trying to like make sure I get a meal in two hours before my lift and then within an hour window after I lift like That shit is so at the bottom of the list That I think that's the main point that we always try to make sure you can come find some study that shows Me that you have a fraction of a percent of a more, you know Higher rate of muscle that can be potentially built if you you know in intake x amount at this time It's like dude the the the mount that makes a difference is so you know, it's splitting hairs of a difference So it's not that it doesn't matter at all. So fuck it out the window. It means that First look at all the other things that you you needed dial in and and then then you can start to visit If you got everything else dialed in so this is where I understand When I look at like competitors competitors are Measuring and weighing their foot. There's one for you right there If you're an average person who's trying to lose weight or build muscle And you're not weighing and measuring your food And tracking are you kidding me? Like that's way more important than trying to time a meal way more important Like so start there and like start paying attention to what you're consuming first before you Start to add in a supplement or worry about getting a meal too late too early or right before or right after a workout But I mean hey if you've got all that stuff lined up you're dialed in you're measuring your weighing you're tracking You've seen all this stuff your workouts are great. You're phasing your workouts You're progressing you're you're progressing your egg increasing volume You're doing all these other things that are so much more important as far as your results And you're like, hey, you know what like I want to see what would happen if I actually ate my meal two hours before my workout or you know what I'm gonna try and go fast like I encourage that Fuck with your meal timing to play with it. You know, I used to tell clients like okay if you Are a breakfast skipper and you tend to eat meals super late at eight or nine o'clock. I said hey get an idea for us Let's do this Let's stop eating meals after six o'clock for you for a while and see how how you feel what happens Guess what normally happens that person they're starving at that six They feel like they're dying at six or seven and they live And then the next day they end up being hungry at six o'clock in the morning And so they actually eat a breakfast and it's different and their body has to change There's something going on that they're not used to so I encourage the the people to Play with their meal timing and see like how their body responds. You know, you someone who might eat a meal Two hours before a workout might feel a little lethargic from it They might not like it somebody but then somebody else may feel incredible performance in an incredible pump because they had A meal to it somebody else. I know sal you talk a lot about how much you love fat being fasted more So much more right some people love to be fasted way way more so that's that's it Well, it's so interesting to me that we look at it like I found this thing that works for me You know like it's it's just like rigid plan that has You know, you've you've done all the research you've gone through all these different types of diets And now I found one that's stuck. Well, it's not always gonna stick right It's like you really have to be flexible and you have to always kind of be ahead of this and It's interesting meal timing is one of those things The thing to consult the number one thing you need to check and consult if you're determining your You know meals how many meals you have a day is just which one do you like better? That's it. That's pretty much it because one thing that we don't talk about enough when it comes to nutrition Is the psychological component which arguably is the most important component with with all nutrition If we had to list all the important things with your diet It's that's the top one Is your the that psychological component because the best diet in the world That you hate isn't going to be as good for you as one that's not as good that you can stick to and you're consistent with So if you find that eating Six meals a day is your jam and you just fucking love it Well, guess what you should probably do eat six meals a day if you find that, you know skipping meals and Having less meals is makes you feel better and it's better, you know portion control You don't eat as much then go for that there's there are very now, of course if you go extreme, right? If you're going, you know one meal every other day or something like that or or 15 meals a day Well now of course there's there's better and worse But generally speaking it's all it's all based on which one you enjoy doing more Now there are some cases where I may tell someone to eat more meals in some cases Where I tell people eat less meals the people who who probably should eat More consistently throughout the day Or like these people who have like metabolic adaptation where you know or metabolic damage or HPA axis dysfunction We probably want to feed them a little bit more frequently because they may have issues with cortisol Uh, we may want to kind of suppress that a little bit and put them more in that parasympathetic state Which meals tend to do so if somebody comes to me and I'm and I'm talking to them and I figure You know, oh wow, you've got metabolic damage or hp axis dysfunction Then I'm probably not going to have them do a lot of fasting because that might not be That might be counterproductive. I may have them eat a little bit more frequently But otherwise it's it's so up to you I was so different than all my other peers when I was competing with this like they all are so adamant about getting everything in their shake right after post workout that like This is how I did it like so when I was you know post or pre getting into a show Right so before I'm even to prepping so I believe that some of the hardest work has done Leading up to show prep time and show prep time would be anywhere between Six to twelve weeks for the average competitor It's the time leading up to that where I think the real work is done, which is building up a roaring metabolism So when I'm increasing my caloric intake and I'm you know, quote-unquote bulking I'm eating 5 000 plus calories a day. So I'm eating six meals a day pretty much So every two to three hours I'm consuming something and then when I go when I step into prep time I've got this physique where I'm probably hanging around nine percent body fat or so eating 5000 calories a day six meals a day And now it's time to get shredded for show time to get on stage And the first thing that I do is just eliminate a meal somewhere and I like to play with that Which is the opposite of what I just eliminate a meal and it might be a pre-work It might be a meal before my workout might be a meal after it might be the last meal of the day It might be the first meal of the day and I like to do that We're so let's just say the like then we'll just walk you through like what it's six to seven weeks Leading up to a show looks like where I reduce calories I'm going to cut 500 to a thousand calories out of the out of the diet the first week Okay, 500 to a thousand calories come out I'm going to distribute that differently. Sometimes I'll spread it out across the meals Sometimes it'll be an entire meal like I'm saying and then I'm going to pay attention Like how I perform. Did I have a great workout when I did that? Did I sleep really well? Did I get up really well? Did I have energy throughout the day? Was I had sustained injury energy? I'm paying attention to Where I pay what I pick and pull from and how it affects my body and I think that everyone's going to be uniquely different I think if you're Have a habit of eating in a certain pattern all the time one of the best things that you could do for yourself Is to shake that up? I mean, why do we why would we treat the way we consume food nutrition when we talk all we we talk about adaptation all Time the map stands for that, right? I mean that's just talking about the the muscular system But what what about your digestive system? What about your what about that? Why wouldn't our bodies get adapted and used to that wouldn't it be advantageous to Do different things and challenge in different ways like and what better way to shake up your How you eat than to go without food for a little while right because most people never done that You know I mean most especially people who eat small meals throughout the day You have somebody eat six meals on a consistent base and you're telling okay today We're gonna take all your calories and oh on the only only coach I know that had bikini competitors men's physique and bodybuilders Fasting in their routine like during prep that was just like and I remember every time I love doing it because every time I get that question about what I'm gonna lose all this muscle Are you kidding? I don't want to do that like so many would fight back I mean no just watch you will be will be okay, you know for health now from all things being equal from a health perspective It's less inflammatory to eat less meals Okay eating it does require the digestive system to work It it does require You know things to be moving and in the context of inflammation that might not necessarily be a good idea to eat a lot of frequent meals So like if you have gut issues You you might be better off not eating lots of small meals So you may find that your digestion feels better when you eat more like you know two or three meals But again the studies have been done on this pretty consistently and they've shown No difference whatsoever and maybe May even be Counterproductive to have too many small meals throughout the day may cause a little bit of inflammation May not be great for you, especially if you have if you have gut issues But otherwise it's it's totally I mean it's it's just totally up to you And I've found for me personally most days I eat Two times a day maybe three times a day most days and then I and then there's days of course that I fast and I don't eat at all And everybody I've worked with so far Seems to kind of be in that realm of of two to three I have worked with people who say they just love eating small meals throughout the day And that's totally fine. There's nothing wrong with that. That's your jam. Go for it. Right Next question is from katie gasman if you aren't breaking up fascia with foam rolling What is actually going on? I got I remember when we learned we all learned that right when well Not breaking up fat because fashion's not breaking up plastic But you should say black breaking up the adhesions that were right that were on there We were taught that foam rolling Broke up adhesions that your fascia got stuck and that if you were pressing on it It would break up the adhesion and then it would allow it to kind of move better And then that would alleviate pain which a lot of that is just because that's where the science was at the time Right, I mean we just didn't fully understand how that worked. Yeah, we had we had no idea right You know, I watched some video about spina kind of breaking down like what that would actually look like if you were to You know stretch it all the way apart and then get in there and like rub down one of those adhesions all the way This would be cool. You too ridiculous. Yeah now not now, you know, to be honest When I first learned how to foam roll it was a game changer Absolute game changer for me. I would foam roll before my workouts and it Improved my mobility and improved my flexibility and took away pain Instantly and it was a great tool that I used as a trainer I remember it, you know as being a trainer I'd get a especially if I had a client who was a runner or a potential client who was a runner I used to love showing them the foam roller because then I looked like a wizard like they come in and be like I have all this knee pain because I run I'd be like, all right. I'm gonna do something with you for I'm gonna add pain to your pain and I'll take the pain away And then I'd have them foam roll and then get up and they'd squat and be like, oh my god My knee doesn't hurt anymore. Yeah, so foam rolling Temporarily definitely can reduce pain, but it's not breaking up fashion It's not breaking up adhesions. Here's what We think is going on with foam rolling. Well, first off when you apply pressure you do activate Certain pain receptors in those areas and and that act that actually releases Anti-pain chemicals or pain relieving chemicals. So that starts to happen a little bit You're also anytime you press on a muscle stretch a muscle Squeeze a muscle, you know anytime you do something to a muscle you are The central nervous system is reacting and responding So what I think that's happening when you're foam rolling is the central nervous system is Firing a little bit differently afterwards, which may take away some pain And that can be beneficial if you know how to use a foam roller And that was my way of doing it until I really discovered priming priming Blows foam rolling away completely because priming not only Yeah Does what the foam rolling does but it does it in a more permanent way to where I'm actually changing recruitment patterns Because I'm connecting to These new movements and stuff and so once I learned how to prime I stopped foam rolling before my workouts now. I almost never foam roll Pre-workout if I do foam rolls post I add that element to you also add blood flow and localizing You know more recovery that way with blood flow movement being It's just so much more superior. I found like in my own practice. It's like it's crazy But you're right like foam rolling still has you know, it benefits to it There's definitely ways to utilize foam rolling in order to sort of reprogram and and repattern a way of You know recruiting You know muscle and so there there is ways that we still even apply that in our programming A lot of times it tends to be more towards the end of the workout, which Is something where I would do like first thing like cold I would have to do like foam rolling That was like the way I would do it forever, right, right Our intentions were different, you know back then, you know, I thought it was necessary for us to do that to get that same feeling You know the analogy I gave to someone is more like this You know, you get these these these tightness or these knots or this pain like in your it and it's like You know, what happens is, you know, it gets overused when we're whatever it whether you're squatting or lunging Or whatever caused it to get really tight and do that and then you get like this We start to prioritize all these neurons over there and it's like it's overactive and it's stimulated It's like it's it's clenching and it's tight and that foam roll kind of gives you that Sins that signal to like what sal was describing of just relax for a second And I think that's the relief that everybody feels that's happening as it is It's more the cns relief that you're actually feeling and then, you know It's like it's kind of like if and I know this is extreme analogy But you know, if you're if your it really hurt and you're like, oh my god, it's driving me nuts And then I punched you in the fucking face as hard as I could. I promise you your cns would It would it wouldn't see what you wouldn't be thinking about the it anymore. It would prioritize over to your face So what do you call that like that loop that perpetually gets worse positive feedback positive feedback So it's like you're interrupting that right in a sense. That's what I so that's and that again Now that was an extreme analogy, of course Don't punch your friend the next time they say or your client when they say they have a knot in their it or whatever But you know, I think that's a majority of the relief that we get is that because it kind of hurts You know when you first put on there is like this Ah this tensing and you're rubbing it out and then you then when you get off of it If that's what feels better It's not the actual initial pain of the foam rolling that gives the relief It's the actually when you get done with it and you stop rolling it that you go Oh, it's just it's just it's so foam rolling similar It's not the same but it's similar to like what deep tissue massage will do so if you have You have knots in your traps or your lats or your shoulders or wherever and then a good massage therapist goes in there And really presses hard on them and pushes on them And then you'll feel sometimes you'll feel the relief happen instantly Like they'll push real hard in a knot and then it feels like wow that knot went away When you're applying pressure it your your the cns is you're basically sending a signal to the cns that says Relax relax this muscle now if you push too hard to do the opposite You can actually get something to to tighten up like if I just punch you as hard as I can in your arm Everything's gonna brace. Yeah, but if I press and I apply the right kind of pressure over time The cns starts to relax but you can do this with stretching stretching does does something like this as well And through that relaxation you can change recruitment patterns But but if you if you don't strengthen new recruitment patterns or you don't train new ones with resistance or with movement It's temporary. So again, if you go to a massage therapist because you have knots in your traps and they press those knots out and then you leave and you feel better, but you don't You don't change your recruitment pattern enough To to to where it's permanent and you go back to moving how you were before you're right back at the massage therapist the next week With the exact same pain now I want to point out though that much of what we're talking about right now is based off of the current science and the information That we have therefore this is the theories that we have because The fascia is something that is We know we don't know that much about there's a we know a lot about it But there's a lot of new science It is a lot of new science and a lot of that is in the last five to ten years We've learned so much about I mean shit They came out was it last year before talking about how we we can now show that memories are being stored in the fascia That's that's a that's a very hotly debated Right, right and again. I'm not saying that that's true or false But and even what we're talking about right now the way we are explaining it Is where I'm explaining this to you the best I can with the science and where we're at there What I do know is that it's not what we thought it was five ten years ago That's for damn sure. It's definitely different than that It's like anatomy trains and tensegrity and all these different like things that have come about that We're just understanding now how interconnected All the tissue is you know and how they all communicate if you know one point of the body gets pressure How that affects, you know another point of your body and it's it's very complex You know if you really start to kind of put a microscope under it It's it's a so foam rolling is a tool, but it's not a cure tool Unless it changes your recruitment pattern after that and it solves the problem So if you find that you have really tight it bands And they hurt and then you foam rolling it feels better You haven't solved the problem you haven't solved the root cause of why that it band is hurting in the first place It may be a hip dysfunction. It may be coming from your ankles And maybe that your your gluteus medius isn't strong enough So all other muscles are trying to support your your hips and so the it band is getting inflamed as a result So you you know because I used to work with physical excuse me with massage therapists who would do You know deep tissue work But then what they would do is they would do the deep deep tissue work And then I would strengthen better recruitment patterns and through the combination Of us working together. We were able to solve a lot of problems But if it if if I didn't do that Then they would just be back at the massage therapist every week with the same exact problems And that's how foam rolling was done I used to have to foam roll before every workout. I didn't even think twice about it and think Why do I have to do this every single time I'm gonna do this forever doesn't make any sense Now that I've been priming I don't have to foam roll at all We if you go back any joint pain, you know, it's just like just being consistent is everything If you go back far enough in in mind pump You can hear when we were first creating prime and I remember that's when I decided to apply Obviously the stuff that we were about to teach people like, okay I'm going to give up foam rolling and see, you know, what if I were to just do mobility work And prime my prime my body and I've never looked back and I remember talking about on the show You guys what I'm like, dude, it's been six months. Oh, it's been eight months. Oh, it's been a year Yeah, and I haven't I haven't foam rolled in Fuck two two years now two years since I foam all mobility work I feel so much better and it makes so much more sense to me, too If I'm going to spend 10 minutes on the floor, you know what I'm saying? I may as well be doing a lot of other things besides just you may as well be creating better recruitment patterns So that when you lift weights, you don't have to go back. Yeah coming back to the foam roller Right, right and burning more calories. I mean laying on attributes the force appropriately, you know It's like we forget how like how wide the mechanics are so important in each lift It's so we can drive all these forces out through your body So you're not like just going right into the joint and it's like if I'm just going to keep Doing the same thing that I've been doing I'm just going to keep uh feeling the same pains and going right back to the therapist that's trying to help me out right Next question is from pt. Cantrell 96 Do you subscribe to the theory that your body has a set point or is there a place your body becomes stagnant Based on your daily habits I've noticed since I died it down. I tend to be more likely to binge Could that be a result of my body feeling more comfortable at a higher body fat percentage? Here's why I hate the word this this set point. You have a body weight set point. Um, and I hate this theory because Is it true to an extent? Yeah, like to an extent there's a range that adam is can weigh like Yeah, I'll never look like robert ovars I mean, it just I don't have the genetics right my body will never want to be that size Yeah, you'll never weigh 50 pounds. You'll never weigh, you know, 350 pounds or 450 pounds right like It's true to an extent but to that extent right there There's a lot of room into that but the set point the actual set point is so vast It's literally the the heaviest you can get and the lightest you can get And everything in between is determined by your by your lifestyle Right. Now. Why is it that that we find that? We tend to Our body weight tends to hover around a particular body weight. Well, uh, it's all psychological 100% not only that it has more to do with very set in your ways. Yes your patterns and your behaviors That's what I mean by psychological You if you were people that people don't realize this that kind of like kind of stay at the same weight for a really long time Well, if you looked at an average caloric intake and their average movement over the course of that Six months or whatever they say that's going to be about the same change your lifestyle Like drastically change your lifestyle and your body weight will change. That's just the bottom line. So and it's very normal It's very normal to feel this feeling. I mean, let me tell you getting ready for a show Uh, yeah, my body does not want to only eat those calories the entire time It wants to go up and eat more, you know that that that's just because you're eating less than your caloric maintenance Which again something that you can manipulate up or down, right? So you can change your caloric maintenance your caloric maintenance right now Let's just say hypothetically is 2500 calories. Well, if you're somebody who only eats 1500 calories every day Well, guess what? You're going to feel hungry. You're going to see yourself lean out and eventually what will happen is it will That will become its new caloric maintenance Eventually you will if you stay at 1500 for a year that will now become homeostasis for you And then now that where you go from there can make a difference. If all of a sudden you go back up to 2000 You're going to gain weight. That's just how it's going to work. You know, this is becoming is it's it's classic It's the you know If we can continue to give people reasons to not take responsibility Yeah, people will adopt it and and the set point is one of those here's your diagnosis Yeah, oh, you know, I my body just knew I was wrong. It wants to be You know 220 pounds at, you know, 20, you know, 4 body fat. That's my body set point That's just where it wants to be. No, that's just where you want to be psychologically speaking your days All look the same if you if you look at your lifestyle Your physical rep the physical representation of your body Reflects a large part of your lifestyle now, of course, like we said earlier There's a certain there's a limit to how heavy you can get and there's a limit to how light you can get But man, that's a massive range Like could like right now I'm walking around and probably one, you know, 192 193 Could I get my body weight down to 160? I could I could definitely do that if I drastically changed my lifestyle Could I get my body weight up to 230 240? I could also do that, but it would be a drastic change in lifestyle Uh, it doesn't mean that my set point is at, you know, where I'm at right now That's just this is where I like to be and it's where I want to be and so When people lose weight and they diet down they change their lifestyle and then after they're down at that body weight They find hey, I want to go back to how I was before because I like doing that Wasn't set point based off of some diet gimmick like 10 plus years ago. They've been selling it forever Wasn't it wasn't that like I'm sure you could go online and do a calculator for that. Yeah, I know there's a set point diet I know that for sure Here's how set point actually works if you live a particular way long enough That becomes your psychological set point It really does because you eat a particular way You move a particular way you buy clothes that fit you a particular way you look a particular way And so now you have this this is who you are. This is your image to change that is incredibly difficult, you know, if if you've been 30 pounds overweight for Just five years and most people have been for 10 20 years, right? But if you've been 30 pounds overweight for five years that means you've lived a You've lived a specific way to be 30 pounds overweight for five years Now imagine doing anything consistently for five years and then having to Drastically change it and then having to stay With that new which is why so many people feel like it's a set point is because they make some changes And they don't see a lot of results from they lose a few pounds of they feel so hungry or they feel hard Yeah, it feels difficult. Well that it feels difficult for like just because what you said sells for five years This is like pretty much where you have lived, you know, this type of movement this type of exercise this type of calories And just you changing it somewhat is already going to shake things up Like you're going to have to consistently change things up for the body to keep changing if you want to see it change And think if you've been stuck the same way for five 10 15 years It's going to take some time and that's why when you approach Things like this if you are if you're approaching like okay, I want to change my My body I want to lose a lot of weight or I want to gain muscle or I just want to improve my health Realize that you're what you're really asking yourself to do is to fundamentally change your life It really is it's your life How you eat how you sleep how you train The the choices you make you have to change them on a fundamental level And the easiest way to do that or at least I should say the best way to do that Is to do it in a very gradual Challenging yet realistic way because otherwise it's just not going to happen. It won't work. I promise you you change If anybody tries to change their life drastically overnight You you may be a very disciplined person. You may be super dogmatic and hardcore about it But that's going to be a very hard thing to do consistently like you know Like I wake up at a particular time every day. I go to bed at a particular time every day There are things that I like to eat things. I don't like to eat There's ways I train if tomorrow all of a sudden I flip that on its head and changed it completely Because I'm a disciplined person. I could probably do it for a while, but after a few months or whatever It's gonna be it's very difficult. I'm gonna want to go back to how I was before so Think of that when you're trying to make these changes challenge yourself enough to where You know, it's a challenge but also make it very realistic and this is going to be different from person to person Because what may be challenging but realistic for one person Maybe too unrealistic or too in too challenging for another person or not challenging enough for someone else So they feel like it's not worth it. So and it can be very very small. I've talked we talked about this on a previous podcast Maybe the change that you make is Okay, I'm going to you know eat one extra serving of vegetables every day And I think that's gonna be hard for me, but it's realistic. I think I can do it I think if I if I really try I can do that and then do that for a while And when you find that that becomes a part of your life and that no longer is an issue Then you add on top of that and that gradual process will change your Psychological set point to the point where now your set point is very different For years for years my body weight fluctuated between 190 and 220 or 230 pounds I bulked and cut and bulked and cut and bulked and cut and that became my natural That became my set point around winter time. I just ate a lot more around summer time I died of down now Now my body weights kind of always around the 190 And that's my set point But that's mainly because my lifestyle is the way it is and I enjoy it and it just stays that way So that's how you have to approach these things, but it's all it's all on you most of it's on you Yeah, your genetics determine A certain aspect a certain percentage of it, but a large large percentage of it is your lifestyle and if you're Ready to change your lifestyle or you want to change your lifestyle to change that set point Start with small pieces first and become consistent with those to the point where they become a part of your life Before you move on to the next one and then you'll find that you'll be able to walk around at a new set point Next question is from scamie nesky What's the best way to address man boobs? It's a good topic, man. That's a lot. I love them man boobs when you look at like, uh, you know The the top questions or concerns or things that we've had this one gets asked It does from the guy like girls It's the butt thing like butts and butts and abs thing like I we've got that probably thousands of times in my career Like that's what you know adam can we can I can I actually get a butt that's bigger? And are we gonna be stuck with this little flat butt forever and and guys or men? Uh, it's the man boobs thing, you know, and there's a couple things one obviously Right out the gates, uh, if you have this more than likely you're carrying a little bit excess body fat That's that and you just tend to hold it in your chest and everybody is different here This might be an area that your body Naturally holds more body fat and so you get kind of this kind of sagging boob man boob type of look Also could be uh, really unfortunate hormonally You could have higher estrogen levels and maybe potentially low testosterone I've had some of my you know men in their late 30s 40s and 50s before I always tell them to go At least go get tested and see where your testosterone levels are because let's be honest I could give you all the great exercise tips and diet tips to do this But if your uh hormonal levels are fucked, it's going to be a real uphill battle to try and solve this So my my first and foremost is always I advise Uh my guys that are struggling with this to go get your hormones checked See where you are in the the healthy range or not first And then something that has worked. Uh, I've had a lot of success with aside from just obviously leaning the obvious thing is lean out Right start leaning out. Um, but a lot of incline chest So that upper chest that has become a staple go to You know exercise for me and you know that people might be going like wait a second You guys talk about no such thing as spot reductions. It's not spot reduction what I'm doing by doing that You know, uh by building his firm enough Well, yeah, it's firming his chest up and and specifically his his upper chest The the thought process or the theory for me when I first started doing this with clients was You know, if I build if if you have kind of saggy boobs You have kind of like this loose skin and and fat that kind of makes it hang over And if I can build that upper chest, it's going to pull that skin up and kind of set up a little bit higher So and it's worked incredible. This has been something that um, I would do I would use like a program like our maps aesthetic And I would put uh, my my body part focus. So in that program, we allow this flexibility so people can Focus on specific body parts. So I would do maps aesthetic I would do um, and I would put chest as my my focus session and I would put a lot of emphasis on upper upper chest incline incline chest presses incline flies barbell chest presses not to say to neglect the others But that I would increase or add more volume On the chest. Yeah, you got to get leaner. That's number one. Right, right. It's usually body fat It's usually just more body fat. You tend to store it around That part of your body and you just you just got to get leaner In order to get rid of that and how do you get leaner? Well, um, you know Reduce your caloric and take improve your increase your activity Speed up your metabolism in general like lift weights as far as the hormones are concerned There are some natural supplements you can take if you think your your your testosterone is Aromatizing into estrogen at too high of levels. Now, you'll know if it's hormonal versus fat if it's really tender to the touch So if if if it's just body fat, it's just fat if it's if it's estrogen related your nipples are tender Yeah, if they're tender or if you feel like a lump underneath your like your buddy's nipple and you're like, oh Yeah, then it might be estrogen related Which by the way, body fat excess body fat and men can raise estrogen levels as well Body fat is an estrogen sensitive Tissue in the body. So getting leaner and building more muscle tends to give Men a better, you know hormone profile anyway, but there are some natural supplements um Indole three carbonyl Is one or the more potent version is d i m And the chemical name is d uh d indole Dill indole methane I think i'm pronouncing it right Which is a it's something you can find in cruciferous cruciferous vegetables So like broccoli has it but you can take it as a supplement and what it does is it reduces the conversion Oh, that's the one that's the uh, there's a lot of that seen cauliflower, right? Yeah, I think I've heard that before It reduces it inhibits, uh the aromatase enzyme and Has your your body will will convert to less Potent forms of estrogen in the body And so if you're a guy and you find like you have hormone issues You can supplement with this and you'll know it's working If your libido starts to raise up and you'll start to feel less of that tenderness in the chest That's about as good as it gets with natural supplements get some cauliflower pizza, dude Yeah, yeah, put the bonbons down and do the solid press solid plug for our girls over there Yeah, because no cruciferous vegetables have the indole three carbonyl Right. No, that's I think that's what gave to mine when they've got health benefits It's anti cancer as well and women it's got some some pretty good hormone balancing benefits as well But naturally speaking that's about as good as you're going to get when it comes to you know balancing your your estrogen levels If you're a man If it's really bad you have to go to the doctor And they'll put you on I always recommend because I think it's good for all of us to check that Occasionally anyways and us guys are the worst at that anyways We always try to most guys avoid the doctors at all cost and if you're already having issues in this condition I think it's worth going in there and at least checking that out Also remember too that all of us are genetically different and unique and we all store and hold body fat in different areas And unfortunately for you, you know, and I'm sure it feels unfortunate because this is it's your body And you're looking at this way, but it's that way for everybody. Some people are it's low back fat Some people it's belly. Some people it's the flabby arm. Some people it's the fat face You know, some of us can walk around at seven percent body fat and still be fat in the face Like there's some there's shitty sides to everywhere you store it Yours is probably in your chest. So therefore it's normally the last place to go Which all of us can relate to that regardless if it's man boobs. It's there's always an area that's the last But it is weird man. Like, you know, and I don't think there's any studies done on this, but You know, I mean, there's some studies, right? Your hormone profile can change how you store body fat too Which is kind of weird. Um, I know you were experiencing it, right when you went off test Like one you weren't storing body fat the same way I still to I'm still tripping out because I'm not away from it yet. I'm getting better and better every week, but You know, I literally I never looked at my body. It's never looked like that 30 Fucking six years of my life and of ups and downs of weight up and down and fat and skinny and buff and all those Never seen my body look like this before And it and it just it took changed where it took. I mean if I'm being very transparent and real It's it took on a very feminine look to it Like I started to get these kind of hips, you know, like just dude, I was not feeling it at all, bro I was always drawn to the back of you. I was like, hey I'm trying to hug you get the fuck out of here with that, dude It's not I did not like it at all and I'm still battling with it as I as I'm leaning out right now Right. So what is now you're now Adams was, you know, because he was on testosterone went off testosterone But if you're natural Can your how you're like what makes up your diet change how you store body fat Theoretically, I'd have to say yes if you're eating in a way that you're getting lots of cortisol and insulin You may store body fat a little bit differently than versus if growth hormone is higher and testosterone is higher So overall health, I think change obviously is going to help with fat loss But it might help with how you store the body fat as well. And in my experience, this is purely Anecdote. Okay, this is my anecdote But men who tend to store body fat in their chest In my experience tend to do better with lower carbohydrate diet now When you look this up online, you see lots of anecdote that kind kind of supports this I don't know if any support any science will ever support it But it it seems to me whenever I worked with guys who because it's not super common, right? It's not super common that a guy will store Fatness chest it's not super uncommon either, but it's not nearly as common as just the belly Right and with those guys, it's always like I cut their carbs way down bumped up their fats And maybe it's giving them a better hormone profile, but they just got better results than if they did the low fat Type option. That's my own personal experience. I don't have any science to support it Again, you know the best diet that works for you is the one that's going to work for your Particular body, but you got to get leaner and then build up your chest muscles The bigger your upper chest gets the less boobish it's going to look avoid jumping jacks Yeah, I'm not a good look. Thanks. Justin. Yeah, appreciate that Hey, check it out. 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