 Hello, this is Debbie Daschinger, a host of the Dare to Dream podcast. Today's show features a native Peruvian healer, Puma Freddy Kisbe. Sengona is here and I'll be speaking with him. He is an Andean medicine man. Dare to Dream podcast won the COV award for best radio and podcast show. Well, magazine named Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger, one of the best 20 top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. It's also very high ranking self improvement in Apple podcasts and nominated for two people's choice podcast awards and a webby award. My gratitude to our sponsors. The show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here and access consciousness. You can join one of their classes or become a facilitator. Go to Dr. Dane here. I'm Debbie Daschinger. I'm a book writing coach. I also take your book to a guaranteed international bestselling status. And I do all the heavy lifting and I'm a boutique publicist where I get people booked on radio and podcast shows. I've just delivered a free live masterclass and it was tips on how to get booked on podcast and media media bookings. I plan to do another one, but in the interim, if you like some gifts around that so you can learn how to up your visibility and your game and get your message out there at a time when you definitely came here to do that. Go to my website and download your gifts today. It's Debbie Daschinger.com slash gift. D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com slash gift. And you can start being interviewed and learn all about visibility. My guest today, Freddie. And we're going to call him Puma throughout. And I joked with him and said he can call me lion. But he truly is Puma Freddie, key space in Gona. And he was trained by his grandfather, Don Maximo, in the mastery of Andean's ceremonies and rituals as a spiritual leader both in his own community in Peru and in international gatherings and spiritual journeys. Puma has a passion for the teachings of his people and a profound respect for the global awakening of human consciousness. He has attended and facilitated numerous international gatherings of spiritual leaders and young leaders. He's recognized globally as a holder of ancient lineage wisdom and the power to inspire people in a special heartfelt way to connect. Puma works with youth groups and has a natural ability to connect with ancestral spirits, cosmic forces, and natural elementals that assist him in his global healing path. As a tour guide to the natural wonders and sacred sites of Peru and the Quechua world, he has deep reverence for the traditions and values of the ancient Andean cultures. His website will be in the show notes. If you'd like to find out more about him, it's N-O-Q-A-N-K-A-N-I dot com. And with that, I welcome Puma to the Dare to Dream show. It is so nice to have you here. Welcome. Thank you, Debbie. Thank you, everybody. Very happy to be here to share our sacred wisdom, our sacred traditions of the Andes. It's a powerful time to be doing this. And I want to start with the inception of all of this for you. So you were born in the highlands of Chinchero in the Andean region of Peru. And at the age of six, such a baby, at the age of six, you began training with your grandfather in the ways of the Andean medicine man. So first, I'm curious, tell me about your grandfather, Don Maximo, his gifts, and what was your relationship like with him? For me, everything began as a child. And my grandfather was one of the last carriers of a very ancestral lineage that was passed on generation after generation. And I was blessed to receive his teachings about ceremonies, about rituals, about energy work. And since it started so early, it was all for me like playing. It was all just having fun, being on the mountains, learning about energy and elementals, just growing up with a sense of communion and kindness with nature, with spirit. So it all began as a play, as children's play games. It was a natural way to enter into these powerful traditions. Incredible. And so I imagine somewhere along the lines with that play, there was magic. Right? You must have been able to see things that other people didn't see, maybe you experienced other things. Can you talk a little bit about that? So first here in the Andes, we learn about ceremony. And ceremony is whatever sacred space, whatever sacred time we bless and we become conscious of. We learn that ceremony is not ours, but it's for us. We learn first that the sun, the moon, the stars are in ceremony, Mother Earth is in ceremony, spirit forces are in ceremony, and they're in ceremony for you. So when you bless your sacred space and your sacred time, you are joining their ceremony. And you realize that the main reason why there is even ceremony is for you. You are the center of it. So that's why we bless our whole life, regardless of what we're doing in it, whether we are working, whether we are playing, it is all happening within sacred time, sacred space. So it's always ceremony. And that's the first thing we learn. And as we learn that, we have a much deeper communion and a better understanding of whatever we're going through in life, emotionally, psychologically, physically. And we learn to be highly perceptive and highly sensitive to energies, to omens, signs, whether it's sounds, whether it's colors. And we develop those senses in an acute way so much that we can also travel through these parallel dimensions. We learn that life is not happening only in this third dimension, but we are also present in thousands of worlds at the same time. And that is what I used to love to do with my grandfather. We used to go up to the mountain tops and we would choose a time in the past we would journey to, or what used to happen with our ancestors, or sometimes we used to journey to what might happen in the future so that we are preparing ourselves consciously for the new generations, for the new era, for the new times. So we used to travel through dimensions of time. We used to travel through dimensions of the space because we can do that. Only as human beings have that power to be interdimensional. We have that natural gift. We are existing in thousand places in a thousand of a second, but we're not conscious of them. And that's what we learn in the traditions here in the Andes. We learn to travel through these powerful dimensions consciously. And we choose where we want to go, why we want to go there. And then when we come back from this astral traveling, spirit traveling through these powerful dimensions, we always bring new knowledge. We always bring wisdom. We always bring what we call alchemic gold. And that is for our family, for our community. So this is what we used to do. We used to go out to the mountains and while we are working on the potato fields or raising our animals, we used to learn about these powerful dimensions of life, of the spirit. And it was always fun. It was always very powerful. And that in order to be a best healer, a global healer in these times. That training, all that preparation was for me to work with our global family in ceremony with powerful rituals to facilitate, accelerate, support the healing process that we are going through globally. So if I understand you correctly, because you then referred to it as astral travel. So your body remains here, but your being, right, your particles and your consciousness, awareness went someplace else. And that's a question, but I'm also curious, especially if you went to the past, if you were ever able to facilitate a change in something that would have made a better now or future. When we go to the past, definitely we're going for powerful changes now. And then for the future, as the past can no longer be changed. So here in the Andes, we believe that our past is in front of us. It's not behind us. It's in front of us. What do you mean by that? And our future is behind us because we don't pass. Time passes by you. So as it's passing by you, it leaves. And that's why you can always see your past. You can always contemplate it. You can always see it. And because the future is a time that is trying to catch up as much as it can with this moment. It's always behind and you can't see it. You can sense it and you can be connected with it. So you can program it. Astral traveling for us is a very important practice. I mean, it has been throughout the planet, but especially here, even without our eyes closed, we used to journey, you know, our consciousness journeys through these parallel dimensions. And for example, one, one time I traveled to the past, but I feel it was very important was when I came back from school and I was very upset to the Spaniards that have conquered and hurt and distracted our culture. And I told them that I was so angry to these people that they came here and they cost so much destruction and my grandfather said to me, let's journey to that past. Why would you be afraid for yourself? Why would you be angry to yourself? Let's go there. So when we journeyed to the past, to the times when the Spaniards were coming in one part, in one part of the journey, my grandfather asks, who are you? Are you the person who is waiting in this land? Or are you on a horse arriving to this place with the Spaniards? And I discovered that I was actually one of the Spaniards and completely my feelings and my perception changed. At this point, all that anger completely disappeared and what I had was guilt. So my grandfather helped me transform all that guilt. He said, now you need to forgive yourself for everything you have been up hard of. When you forgive yourself, you will liberate yourself for the rest of your life, you will never feel anger again. For any colonizing or conquering Spaniards, you will have killed completely all those feelings. And that was true ever since. I have not felt that anger or resentment of the conquest of the Spaniards because I learned that nothing exists separate from you. Not the Inca people, not the Spanish people, not any lineage. All lineages are here for you and none of them is yours. So grandfather always used to say, that's why we have this saying here, nothing is yours because everything is for you. Nothing is yours because everything is for you. What a very powerful story. That's amazing. I mean, I'm just thinking I'm Jewish and you know my history and that begs me to consider what if I was even a Nazi, right? And if I were to travel back and I could see whatever pain or misnomer would create a person into becoming that and enacting some of those horrors. That's very powerful what you just said and it gives a whole another level to the idea like when people say everything is energy, they're also saying we are everything. Period, infinitely everything and everyone. So there's no blame and I am that and you are this, right? For us, this is very important because we live in a world of polarities. And dualities. Yes, and the first and most important duality we learn about is energy. Heavy energy and light energy. And you know, we are in a planet where you have to live with the day and the night. The dark and the light with the beautiful and the ugly with the good and the bad. You have no choice. When you are here, you have to exist with both. But that first saying that we have here the tradition which says nothing is yours means, you know, it's not yours. This energy is not yours. Whether heavy or light energy, it is for you and for you to consciously discern and use what best serves you. And that's why we've been giving this gift of our willpower to choose. So the first thing we learn about energy here is to constantly choose the light energy because that's the happiness, that's love, that's joy, that's the wonderful process of light. Where the heavy energies are more about struggles and suffering and crises and... Hucha. Hucha, yes. So... For me as the light and Hucha is the dark energy. Yes. So wonderful to speak all these Ketchup works. I'm going to sing a Ketchup song. I actually sing with a medicine band and I'm learning a Ketchup song and I love the language. So cool. So we learn about these energies. We learn about these heavy energy, light energy, Hucha and Sami. And we constantly work with Sami to learn through love and we constantly transform whatever Hucha around us and for our families and our community. So I would work as healers mostly. Oh, my goodness. Okay, so powerful. So I had somebody write in this question and I want to skip to it because this is such a perfect moment because you mentioned healers and you mentioned sensitivity and then you mentioned healers being here really to transform for humanity or one person at a time and the planet all the above which are all living entities. So how to take that Hucha energy into the lighter high vibration Sami. So somebody wrote in this question, how do we as sensitives Puma live and continue to heal ourselves and Pacha mama without being drained without getting sick or without losing spiritual power by becoming sacred staff. This might sound weird, but here in the Andes in God that represents the absolute son is it's a being who is with his beautiful sun rays growing all around his head holding two staffs and the two staffs are with a condor head at the bottom and with a Puma head on the right hand side and with two serpent heads on the left hand side and when you see these staffs very well they're actually the vertebra they're the spine backbone of human beings and the reason why the one on the left has two serpent heads is because only a woman can carry two consciousness and because of her womb and the one with the Puma head represents the masculine staff the myth and the legend says that God creator has stored the most powerful force of creation the most powerful force of manifestation the most powerful sublime force of the universe in two of the most fragile staffs and that's each one of us so when you're a staff you remember that you are constantly channeling you are only a conduit of these cosmic forces so because you are channeling these energies whatever you do in your healing work you are constantly being revitalized, renewed, recharged because it's not your physical, emotional, psychological energy that is being used you are using cosmic forces and this is why hearing me and this we say that the strength and the power of a healer is his level of communion what his or her alliances are because they're constantly backing you so a healer actually never uses his own energy or her own energy in the healing work I completely understand this as I shared with you right before we started Monday was my graduation after six months of an incredibly intensive shaman school, shaman energy practitioner school and they said that enforce that over and over again to us that you are calling in the lineage you're calling in the ancestors you're calling in Wakantanka great spirit to come work through you it's not you doing the healing to come work through you so that makes so much sense and then if you're a conduit for that healing to come through for another or a group then that makes sense as a conduit you would also be receptive to receiving the goods that you get filled up again not that you're but you get filled up by great spirit for the work you're doing that you're giving the battery power to keep going that makes sense it does the only other thing that I would like to share about that is because we are also human beings and because we care and we love we are also transmitting our own essence our own life we are giving that that light that we carry from within it's what we call this sacred flame or sacred fire that we have inside that we have all been gifted with to walk or journey throughout life our fire needs to be really alive in strong vitality and is always fed with breath because that air beats fire so when we want to constantly revitalize ourselves as nothing goes one way when we are shining this light when we are shining our essence sometimes we are taking on kucha energy heavy energy and that is what actually drains us because that is energy that hasn't been transformed and it's weighing heavy on us so for this reason we always say that whenever we are giving we are giving energy to the sacred fire within with each breath whenever we are receiving we receive into a crystal body because crystals have a powerful program on mother earth they cannot channel heavy energy crystals can only conduct highly refined energy so if you become a crystal being if you visualize yourself inside a crystal as you breathe in bringing in energy vitality light energy and of the highest frequencies of vibrations even if there was kucha around you it has no choice but to be transformed before it enters into your energy field wow beautiful thank you I want to get clear are you a shaman are you known as a shaman I am called a shaman but in my training times as a kid I was always known as a pakko a pakko is a high priest and in ancient times they used to be compared to the white alpacas they are the camelates of the Andes and the reason why they were compared to the white alpacas is because we constantly needed to be pure in our hearts we constantly needed to be pure in our mind only then could we be of best service to our family and our community this is something I'm a little sensitive to so I'm hoping you will clear this up so for instance having just graduated I mean six months that's baby time toddler time compared to for you first of all being born into the lineage of this medicine man being passed down and now shaman and what you have gone through to become this I'm sure it wasn't all pleasant and magic in games I'm sure there was some very difficult things for you to face over the decades and so I just want to clear it up because in today's world where ayahuasca especially is served and I think they they meaning people in general tend to call that facilitator of ayahuasca a shaman just because they're pouring medicine and also you know just the fact that I graduated from six months and I'm so grateful I did but I would never call myself a shaman so can you clear that up I'd love to hear from you a real shaman's perspective what the truth is on this so for us you have to be hit by lightning in order to be chosen by the gods in order to receive these traditions oh my god I hope he wasn't just hit by lightning that's wild puma I don't know if you're there but your screen just went down when you said that so come back to us please intact well while we wait for him and he may have also connection issues going on I'm going to give out his website one more time and it is now the best pronunciation for me is no can Connie so it's n o q a n k a n i dot com and he's actually being incredibly humble so far because from a very young age he had to step into a role and a very very global visible role in order to hmm facilitate the mission that he came here to do and be and so he was speaking at you know global united functions as an incredibly young man being featured in star studded like let me see if I can find this I'm actually going to do a quick search yeah he was featured in a film called for real the number four r e a l with Cameron Diaz and soul guy and was a TV documentary series and it featured at the time young leaders who under extreme circumstances are affecting real change on some of the most pressing issues of our time so for him to step into all of this at such a young age and carry so much passion and he does a lot also for the youth to help them and that's beautiful welcome back you said someone needs to be struck by lightning and you went away and I was really afraid for you are you okay we can hear you well we got we got picture now we know you need sound that's very interesting that that happened energetically at that time so I'll also work I'll tell you that we're coming up on some great conversation about the healing essences of the playities and creating harmony and taking something from ancient ink and times and making it for modern times okay you are back awesome sorry about that electricity went do you really need to be struck by lightning like was that for me this is the tradition but here's the thing here in the Andes where a lot of people get struck by lightning only a good 20% survive so our ancestors built temples on whole mountain sites on the shape of a lightning so that anybody that went there could be struck by lightning and receive a spiritual initiation what does it mean it means that being hit by lightning is more a self realization rather than the actual event of being hit by lightning because the as I was telling you it's possible that you may not survive so our ancestors made that even a safe ceremony for generations to come there's a temple called and it was built in the shape of a lightning and whenever you go through these temples you become illuminated you become initiated so being a shaman becoming a shaman is more of a self realization and a self choice path nowadays we use this word that comes from Siberia to be a shaman I heard from some of these masters that word means to be clever which is very important because we have to use our creativity we have to use our unconditional love in order to be of best service to our family and our community and we do that in seamless effortless ways so to be a shaman you just need to choose yourself you need to realize yourself and then you will manifest the best teachers guides who will assist you in the process it is not like in ancient times I know you were talking about my training and now for example I learned about oracles and I learned about rituals of transforming energy for 12 years I was not able to practice those in all that time until I was in my 18-19 years so nowadays it has changed we are living in very accelerated healing times and everything has accelerated and so did our learning process our self realization process our enlightenment process has completely changed so we can no longer live by those traditions it has completely changed if you are meant to walk in this path in better service with ceremonies and rituals and all these traditions you have no choice but to do it we are living in times where you will be constantly exposed constantly shown the signs and the call will become louder and louder yes 100% so much of what I have experienced thank you I am really curious if you would talk about how young were you or what age did you start drinking and ingesting medicine for me it started at a very young age also in these mountains the tradition of working with San Pedro the cactus medicine is very common and I started working with it since I was 12 years old by then I was already trained by my grandfather in ceremonies and rituals and mastery of all energy works so I was mostly receiving this medicine from powerful masters for myself and with Ayahuasca I started when I was 16 it went as a big group to the Yawanawa community in Brazil where a lot of young leaders from different parts of the world were gathering to strengthen the indigenous identity of the land and that was this issue of non-indigenous people and I was always saying that we are all native to Pachamama now we are all native to the sacred land and we might be indigenous through some lineage through some traditions but not even that we can be attached to we are not from this earth we come from the stars if you ask anybody in the community the elders where we come from they will point out the constellations and the way home where we all come from so that's why we don't belong to any of these earth races or lineages or indigenous communities to take it for granted they are here for us again but they are not ours mm-hmm okay well you there was this cosmic program and it was for creating complete harmony and it was ancient in-kind tradition do we have a Hathun Munay for modern times something we can use now yes so Hathun Munay Nio were the powerful masters who used to channel this cosmic will power so whatever is happening on our earth it is not happening randomly it is being monitored it is being guided by cosmic intelligent forces much more evolved than ours here on this earth so when we catch up with them we realize that we just changed an era about 10 years ago in the 2013 2012 2013 was the time when a whole era when we were unevolved human beings has been completely changed we are now highly evolved beings we are in the new era where we all have no choice but to wake up into superior consciousness so these are the powerful times in which we are now and that is the Hathun Munay that we need to catch up with and when you are healing yourself or healing another do you utilize the animals from the four directions do you see out of the eyes of serpent or track like jaguar fly or enjoy the nectar like hummingbird or have this beautiful vista view like eagle, condor and you see them in your practice so I'm going to share with you a very powerful principle that I learned from my grandfather as I was becoming a global healer we don't heal anybody from anything but we can take on anybody's process even just with a thought even just with a breath and whatever is causing so much suffering for you for me it will be a simple healing process such as a breath and it will all be transformed so what grandfather used to say what our teachers used to say constantly is you are only healing yourself while you're healing family while you're healing community you are only healing yourself so you're healing yourself first and you're healing yourself last and that is why the most powerful focus for a healer is not to go heal somebody is to go support everybody in their healing process by taking on some of that process and transforming it ourselves so what we learn is rituals what we learn is ceremonies to transform these processes into fast ways accelerated ways oh my goodness I'm ready to board a plane to Peru this is amazing you mentioned the stars and I love when we open sacred ceremony we talk about the star nations and our star brothers and sisters so can we talk a little bit about the seven starlight rays the essences of the Pleiades because you're mentioning using ritual journey ceremonies, awakening and that also of course woven in there is the sacred feminine and I think that's really important here on earth right now this era of the goddess so can we talk about how that all ties in together so we have activated the main rays which are pathways portals bridges to our sacred Pleiades constellation each one of them being powerful goddesses benefactor goddesses and there is in the temples that were built for them there is a lot of secret medicine that was stored for us in those sacred temples what we always learn from our divine goddesses is that for this earth and for everyone who lives here in this earth the Pleiades will always support abundantly with anything that we need to receive manifest generously in our lives with love with happiness with good health with finance with everything so the Pleiades is the responsible life according to how much communion connection you have with these stars with these goddesses you're going to manifest in your life so because our ancestors were very close communion with this star constellation they were always rich they did not believe any human being should experience misery here because we live where Mother Earth will give you abundantly where we have these seven goddesses here for you for whatever you need there is nothing in this earth that the Pleiades cannot give you and not give you only but to give you abundantly so for us it's a very powerful benefactor goddess that we connect through the rainbow lineages each ray represents miracles magic it represents wisdom it represents wealth health so much that we are receiving from them so it is very important to connect with the Pleiades at these times we see them as ulkas ulkas are each star was a storehouse so a storehouse of love and happiness a storehouse of wisdom and sacred intelligence a storehouse of wisdom a storehouse of good health of courage what do you need here in life there is abundant stored for you in the Pleiades how can we embody that how can we invite that in right now that connection is it through prayer is there something we can do to have I hunger personally for direct communication and every morning I do a shamanic practice and I definitely speak to my star family and invite them in and I'm always clear even if they're not family from the stars as long as they're benevolent being if they want to connect that feels super important to me on my journey how can we do more of that and actually create that connection you don't have to know the Inca names for in fact whatever ancient name there are for each star work you need to have seven stones or seven crystals and in the system of altar you know a little altar that you can have in those seven crystals you need to call in the name of each of these stars and breathe on it three times like this so that you are programming the essence of each of these pleiadian goddesses to these crystals so that they're with you and that is the start you need to have them in an altar you need to call on them because that calling that we can practice is very important remember nothing goes one way so when we reach out to the pleiades the pleiades reach out to you they have no choice there's a universal force that says nothing ever goes one way that's called Aini here in Yandis so they have no choice but to connect with you also when you call on them so that's how you start first in an altar and how would we know the names of the goddesses to blow into each of the stones we have in so many traditions the names that they have some of them are in in Quechua for us some of them are in every ancient culture throughout the planet has always been connected to the pleiades and to the goddesses and to the gods of the stars because our ancestors knew very well the difference between stars and planets they used to call the planets the walking stars because they were constantly moving they were constantly aligning they were constantly visiting different constellations so for that reason these walking stars the planets are also powerful allies and the homes or the stations in the Milky Way the constellations such as the pleiades represent powerful sources of energy so all you have to know even before you know their name is who you are connecting with so if it's the pleiades you're reaching out to then even just calling them as the pleiades and goddesses come to be in ceremony with me I call on you to assist me to guide me to bless my sacred space my path, my journey they will do that for you and if for instance my inception was Elohim and also Liren like a lot of lifetimes on Lira would I include that in the seven stones I would absolutely include the pleiades but could I include that as well yes of course yummy and andromeda I'm all about it that's going down I'm going to do that thank you for that ritual that's so powerful we have lots of you know when we talk about star confederations yeah there are of course hierarchies of them but one of the ones that was always close to our planet and to our solar system is from Andromeda we have a lot of beings that are constantly visiting our planet they're bringing new knowledge they're bringing new information new technologies exactly what is needed as our evolution is happening mm-hmm that could be a whole rabbit hole well I want to ask you like further along the line with this this goddess and this feminine power I think we're living in a really interesting time I don't know if you'd agree but I feel like that stress people out it's coming up to be healed right things are happening on the planet and to humanity because it's time it's time to write those it's time to have peace it's time to have abundance it's time to honor the greatest mother of all pachamama and can you talk about the correlation between pachamama and the abuse of women is there a correlation there abusive women what do you mean by that well the denigration of women uh mistreatment of women you know there's many countries where women have to wear a certain garb are not allowed to read and not allowed to go to school and there's a lot of control of women and I mean there's a there's as we know in history real history females were once the goddess head right and had a power and then changed along the lines and we gave up our power men took power and this is not anti men anti anything but I think anybody who looks out in the world can see there's a lot that could be made right for women pay and treatment and sexual practices you know and rape and all sorts of things so even us saying whatever for our own bodies you know in this country alone I think it's madness that a government or a state can get involved and say you can have abortions you cannot like it's crazy so is there a correlation between what humanity does to mother earth and what humanity does in general to women I hope that makes more sense there is now I understand you there is definitely because all women are for example if we want to learn about what mother earth is about we need to learn from our grandmothers, mothers, sisters daughters, granddaughters you know we just need to learn from the divine feminine in the Andes we had a very strong communion with the divine feminine for a lot of people believed here in Andes at some point it was a matriarchal culture what I believe and what I know from my journeys with grandfather into the ancestral times is that there has always been a dance hopefully not a battle but a dance between powers who is more powerful the feminine the masculine and from time to time that used to happen so in these latest times the divine feminine can no longer take any oppression Pachamama is supporting her daughters to bring back balance between the divine masculine and divine feminine because for hundreds of years there has been an oppression to the divine feminine now this energy is going to catch up very fast it is not going to take thousands of years like it took for the divine masculine it's going to be very fast even our generations are going to see the power of the divine feminine manifesting and this is the energy of Pachamama waking up as powerful consciousness not only in women but also in men to contemplate to support to assist and to welcome that process we have no choice as men but to be present and witness such a powerful balancing miracles happening throughout the planet for the divine feminine so the times of oppression we are the last of the of those unevolved generations the picture in order for there to be more balance in equilibrium less of that oppression will be for the divine feminine and that's why it needs to become neutral first that's why a lot of people right now globally are going through a you know feminine masculine neutral identity process because that's part of the cleansing that's part of the healing eventually because we all carry both polarities we will be able to bring it into balance so it's happening by powerful cosmic forces it's happening because of Pachamama's call and we're catching up with it in fact all we have to do is catch up with it because it's happening in your relationship with Pachamama I'm curious about your relationship like how specific it is for you with mother earth with the Apus with the mountains with the animals how is that for you for us Pachamama is the chief of all ceremonies whenever we are blessing sacred space first we give thanks to mother earth and we can have this sacred space thanks to mother earth we can have this sacred time so Pacha in Quechua is time and space and mama is the mother of time and space so we're referring to her as Pachamama as a cosmic mother a whole universal mother but at the same time we're referring to her as this sacred planet where everything happens space and time can be together so for that reason she is our first and most important spirit ally then we have our Apus beings of light that also came from the stars but live in the land in the mountains they're called mountain spirits and these Apus are guardians are guides are protectors so we're constantly calling on them whenever we need support whenever we need healing so remember I was telling you all women represent Pachamama for us so the way we treat our women is the way we treat our Pachamama so always wherever we go if we go far ways or you come to visit here we always consider you being the spirit of that land manifested through you you are the Pachamama of the north manifested through you so we learn everything from you we receive everything from you into our hearts as we are receiving it from Pachamama from Mother Earth and then the animal spirits the animals and plants are our older brothers and sisters we're the last ones in that family blind we're the immature young ones the humanity animal spirits animals are our older brothers and sisters plants are our older brothers and sisters they exist in a different frequency of vibration in a different consciousness in a different intelligence so when we call on them when we live with them when we connect with them what we are facilitating for ourselves is awakenings growth maturing evolution mm-hmm what do you recommend I've certainly experienced medicine I've done whatever like 28 journeys ayahuasca, yahe huachuma certainly and many different countries ayahuasca and I plan to drink again I hadn't drunk for a year and a half and I actually felt like I was complete and then when I started this program grandmother is always very clear and grandmother ayahuasca tapped me that's my experience and she says you know I want you to come sit with me so I did it once and I plan to do it again next month and right now I'm just open I feel like it's back for me can you make a recommendation for the most maybe open and receptive and powerful way to be with grandmother everything from the moment I would go up and hold the cup and to the moment I take the drink and sit and let the experience begin what are your recommendations the most important is for you to have a clear intention of what you need from this ancestral spirit it already knows you it already even knows your needs yeah but when you become conscious of what you need the medicine will prioritize that for you so you can have a conscious communion a conscious connection with this ancestral spirit that comes through these master plans in order for that to be that powerful you need to first work on your intentions you need to have a very clear intent and then you need to know that what you're receiving is an initiation a healing directly from this ancestral spirit directly from mother earth and not from a shaman because if you give the power to the person facilitating or to the shaman that might limit or that might distract you from your communion with these master plan spirits so even as facilitators of these ceremonies as healers and medicine people we always say you are receiving this medicine from mother earth you are having a direct communion with the sacred spirit and we become only guardians of that sacred space we become only powerful protectors to create a service space that's our job as medicine people I know that when I went to another country to participate and we did four back to back nights of medicine and these were definitely lineage shamans that I was working with an extraordinary experience they knew our intention and they would blow it into the cup before we drank it and so if I'm not drinking with somebody who does that or knows how to do that is that something I can do myself if I know what I want to work on what my intention is can I blow that myself into the cup before I drink will that help yes because what is necessary is for you to be conscious of your intention the medicine already knows the medicine already knows what you need in fact it's already been calling you when we work with the medicine that we always say to the people that come to the medicine we say you've been called you've been chosen you showed up now that you are here leave it to Mother Earth, leave it to the medicine all the miracles can come your way that is so true it's really been my experience and I will tell you that after a year and a half of not doing medicine and thinking it was over when grandmother Aya called me the message I heard was now that you're in the shaman school I want you to come sit with me I have some wisdom for you and so I went there fully expecting attention I'm going to get these huge shaman downloads but I have to say that something else entirely happened that weekend and she was working with me the plant for hours on my relationship with my mother and it was at some point it actually got really exhausting and I had a call for some help and you know the beautiful human being who was facilitating this said one sentence to me and I immediately made an adjustment and I actually surrendered I thought whatever it takes I'm here for this experience and the reason why this I think this story is so important I could feel myself getting really moved right now is I didn't know till a week and a half after that ceremony my mother was going to die and so this is amazing this is how this grieving has been with my mom I have nothing forever and then suddenly there's a feeling so here it is with you but I'm so moved by the beauty of the plant I have to say that she would call me and even if it was under the guise of I'm going to give you these downloads and I really didn't get any shaman downloads but I got a tremendous amount of clearing with my mom and I feel that she was facilitating me to prepare me for that experience and I was able to sit with my mom when she was in the hospital and do shamanic death rights over her everything to prepare her you know luminous energy field to go back and be taken by the ancestors and I just I have such great love for the plant for that for the wisdom to even call me before I drank and know what I needed so beautiful you know we cannot give what we don't have and as part of your training to be a very powerful medicine woman you had to heal these feelings these emotions for your mom with your mom first and then you could really support yourself as the divine feminine and you will be able to support so many women around you thank you I know speaking of other countries that you Puma lead pilgrimage is in Peru so I'd really like to hear about that ancient sacred sites and transformation and rebirth these are all the things that are on the website about what you do and offer can you talk a little bit about that one of my main activities is to journey to these power places and give rights of initiation give rights of healing to everybody that come to visit our magical place the thing is Peru in these last years have become a very powerful vortex activated for the planet so it has a magnetic force calling as many people here to be in ceremony wake up to this powerful luminous evolved superior consciousness and then with it be of best service for mother earth for global family for global community so we're living in times where this magnetic force will continue bringing more people until that is complete then that energy is going to move we believe according to the prophecies it's going to move to the north to Turtle Island to the land of the evil and then from there is going to move towards Africa so that happens in over hundreds of years these are powerful Pachacutis so this time right now Peru has that powerful energy active so anybody that comes here will benefit from that magical energy and I lead these journeys I facilitate some of these portals these sacred initiations and you know we have a wonderful living culture here everything that we talk about of thousands of years ago it's still a life in the practice in the ways of life of the people here even though some of these practices have become Catholic practices but they're not really Roman Catholicism they're Indian Catholicism because they're connected to the stars rather than cross constellation to the Pleiades, to Orion to the planets so it's very it's the best times to visit right now this sacred land I love I love this and when you talk about the rituals are you talking about the 13 rights one of the 13 rights or is it something outside of that that you facilitate it's outside of that that comes from a specific tradition we have different rights we have different initiations you know for example one of these initiations is what I was telling you when you go to Sacsayhuaman which is this archeological site everybody goes there because it's right in Cusco it's this you know 200 ton weighing rocks put together in ways that our physical science does not understand so while a lot of people are going there just to visit and take photos with us they journey in a more conscious way they realize they're entering into the temple of the lightning and they're going to be illuminated and they're going to be self realized so we go through preparation, ceremonies, rituals for them to have that initiation and the initiation is so simple it's as simple as reaching out your hands and touching one of those gigantic rocks and receiving direct transmissions from Pachamama and from whatever prayers programs our ancestors have left there for generations and generations to come so it's different our initiations are not the same as the ones you were saying okay beautiful that's actually more exciting to me and how long are these trips and is there a lot of heavy hiking involved well you know our mountains it's above 11,000 feet as you arrive to Cusco and then from there we journey as high as 14,000 feet so we do need people to be fit for these mountains the climatization process we facilitate so usually this is very important but most importantly you need to come with your heart open ready to receive magical gifts that are waiting for you here well I know for myself I have a morning practice that I do and I love my morning practice it's actually allowed me to do something I've never been able to do before I've never been great at meditating or anything like that but I look forward to this what I've included in my morning practice is this connection and sometimes it's with Pachacutec sometimes it's with Quetzalcoatl sometimes it's with the underworld and I find actually a lot of love and solace and for me it's a real relationship I feel that I have very real conversations with them and they often will give me wisdom like incredible wisdom sometimes I laugh because it's so obvious and I hadn't considered it but mostly I'm deeply moved and re-centered or I feel healed after that experience calm do you have being seen or unseen that you communicate with that you feel you have real relationship with so for me Pacha Kamach and Wira Kocchan they're the cosmic father cosmic mother they're the ones that I constantly journey with in meditations in journeys I used to see them in my dreams when I was little every day at 2 p.m. I would fall asleep while I was hurting my sheep for about 20 minutes but those 20 minutes they took me was lifetimes and I used to journey with them always so they called me into these powerful journeys so ever since now I call them to all my journey so they're the ones cosmic father and cosmic mother that I constantly talk with every day in ceremony and then I'm sorry go ahead and then mother earth mm-hmm yes I think about that often too the greatest mother of all I mean that is so big it's so she's so powerful when I consider who she is how she created herself to be what she can withstand which I'd like to see stop and her enormous beauty but I also feel she has very strong boundaries and I definitely commune with her as well and I'm curious when you say this Viracocha because what we learned is about opening sacred space and I don't know if this is familiar to you or I might open sacred space over you and I've looked up the word before but you're talking about it like an entity can you explain what do you mean by Viracocha how does that manifest by saying you cannot be here if it wasn't for the father and the mother and that biological parents we have are only a physical manifestation of our cosmic parents and our cosmic parents is the divine cosmic mother and cosmic father cosmic mother is sacred space interestingly enough and cosmic father is sacred time so time is the father space is the mother so when you're opening sacred space for anybody or for yourself you are calling in the cosmic mother really because that's Viracocha and that's so beautiful because that connects back to what you said about Pachamama and what that means you said it's sacred time and mother what the words literally mean yes that's an incredible connection is there Puma why do they call you Puma it's a given name it's a tradition it's part of the lineage in my village there's a lot of families with the Puma name so it was because in the Andes it represented the master of this physical world it was the one that was guarding and protecting life here on Mother Earth so this is the reason why I was given this name okay thank you Puma so is there a prophecy that we should know about right now people who are listening people are watching the Pachakuti prophecy is the one that is most important time goes through a complete shift every certain years 500 years 2000 years 12,000 years and we have closed a very important cycle of 12,000 years where there was a program the program was every generation will be less evolved than the last and it's over now we have reverted it the Pachakuti is now that every generation will be more evolved than the last so we're in that process of waking up and evolving in very fast accelerated ways so we're in very exciting times because we're stewards we're guardians of these new times oh my gosh that makes so much sense every time I'm so privileged to sit with people much younger than me in their 20s their 30s and the last ceremony I was in they had children in there who had drunk and at first it's kind of like oh is that a safe thing to do and then I suddenly realize of course it is it's a plant you're ingesting mother nature that has wisdom and so I said these children are going to be amazing when they grow up so I'm very taken by how they are the younger generations their sense of community their sense of acceptance of all ages their commitment I mean they really came here I think to live something special out loud I moved by it so let me ask you the final question this is dare to dream Puma what are you next dare to dream what are your future dreams and goals I dream for our community our global family to arrive through these powerful healing powerful awakening processes in the most gentle ways we have had the hard process we no longer need anymore of these hard processes we need to call in more Sami into our lives our teachers used to say whatever you don't learn through love you learn through pain and through crisis and the medicine for this new era is whatever you don't learn through love you learn through unconditional sublime love so through love yes or yes that's my dream yes or yes thank you so much for coming on the show today and folks who want to connect with him I've given out the website twice it'll be in the show notes and I end today's show with this quote through interconnectedness we walk a global healing path where love and compassion reign transcending borders and divisions let us rise above our individual selves and unite as one recognizing the sacredness of all life as we co-create a harmonious symphony with the universe may our souls ignite like stars illuminating the night together we shall weave a tapestry of unity peace and understanding fostering a world where every being can thrive in the abundance of spiritual growth and conscious awakening let the light of our souls shine bright casting away shadows of ignorance and fear as we dance in harmony with the divine rhythms of existence thank you for joining us today. Please subscribe to this number one transformation conversation dare to dream with Debbie Daschinger leave a comment I read them all and next week on the show the guest is the amazing Gita Rose she's a voice channel and also channels Bella of the Yael the one heart of Gaia and extraterrestrial human hybrids thank you so much it was wonderful to meet you and thank you so much for delivering so much and do you teach do you teach only in groups or do you teach people one on one at all um we don't we have only classes for groups right now and is it online or in person um in person when people come there are groups here like for example right now I have some people living in our center in Chinchero but online it's where most of our classes are okay and is that on your website yes I'm going to check it out yeah I think you're amazing I really do and I'm so grateful for this time together thank you and have a beautiful day you too much love much love ciao