 I just wonder what your attitude now is to private sector involvement in government areas, such as prisons, because we've seen, under the national government, private companies contracting to run prisons. Is that something you've got a problem with? I wrote about that sort of thing back at a time before the 9-11, and I actually thought that some of the militaries that were contracted by governments themselves were actually upholding more human rights than people were having to be protected by the government. Sure, but I'm just trying to gauge what your attitude is to private sector. I believe that we need to make, if we were to go down that road, that case would have to be made. There's a question about PPP's private partnerships around roading. Well, if you're going to put a road through that, for example, that you have to pay it on. If there's an option, there's an unpaid road, then I think that's not a bad option. We need to look at ways in which we can enable us to go down a PPP private way, but without discriminating or making it unfair for others.