 Good afternoon all like to call to order the median of city of Santa Rosa design review board for December 5th 2019 and Patty if you could give us a roll call Let the record reflect that all board members are present except for board members Goldschlag and Weigel Thank You Patty Item number 2.1 is November 7th 2019 minutes. Does everyone had a chance to review the minutes? Any corrections comments? Seeing none those minutes will go into the record Item number 3 board business. This is where we differentiate ourselves from other commissions and boards so the design review board is Project review the review authority shall consider the location design site plan Configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan in the applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements i.e. city policy statements or development plans So that's what makes this board unique and That is our purview Item number four is public comment This would be public comment on any items not on the agenda, but within this board's purview Any members of the public wishing to comment to the board? See no one approached the podiums. I will close public comment item number five Statements of abstention any board members need to abstain from the item on the agenda today Seeing none, we will go ahead and move on to our scheduled item First scheduled item is item 6.1. It is a public hearing design review major Emerald Isle condominiums design review major zero Thomas Lake Harris Drive dr. 19 dash 018 and with that I will turn it over to plan or triple for a Staff report Great. Thank you chair. Can Kate and good afternoon members of the design review board today's PowerPoint presentation will take you through kind of a broad perspective of where the project's been and prior entitlements that have been approved the will then introduce the project from site and building design Perspectives and then the applicant team is here today as well to take a deep dive into Landscape design site design and building design as well So having said that this is the Emerald Isle condominium project In terms of the impact that it will have on housing the 82 unit project will provide a 3.2 percent of the city's market rate goal for arena number purposes and the project location is At zero gulain Drive It's actually the the at the end of the extension of gulain Drive into a small no located in the fountain Grove golf course area as we can see here it is surrounded by the Cluster primarily clustered residential development. That's characteristic of the fountain Grove plan development area So it does offer 82 multi-family units in a for rent condominium format for persons aged 55 and older The project consists of eight buildings and accessory parking structures with recreation center and amenities recreation center is one of those eight buildings Provides a 210 parking space is both covered and uncovered and the project does have an emergency vehicle access road That provides access to the site from Thomas Lake Harris, so in the event of emergency there would be a dual ingress egress Capability from gulain Drive and then also from Thomas Lake Harris Here we have a perspective of the site plan we can see here that Gulain Drive enters into the project and Then the project is cited on Roughly on the top of the noll clustered around the the flattest portion of the noll to avoid Minimize impact on slope as much as possible. We see how the fountain Grove golf course does wrap around the project Side on all sides and then the cva access road that would be constructed would Transsect the golf course and then on out to Thomas Lake Harris Drive. This would be controlled access and so it would only be operationalized in the event of an emergency So required entitlements the project on October 24th planning Commission adopted and mitigated negative declaration Approved a tentative airspace condominium map as well as minor conditional use permit and major hillside development permit Major design review approval is the final entitlement for this project Background in 2017 the project came forward as the Emerald Isle assisted living facility That project was proposed as a two-story 49 unit community care facility an M&D was adopted and Conditional use permit and hillside development permits were approved on November 30th of 2017 and then the project Of course the the toga 20 or the fires that happened and the project came forward for preliminary design review on January 4th of 2018 Preliminary design review was approved That approval was appealed and then the project was withdrawn by the applicant prior to final design review just to note the M&D was not challenged and so when the this current project came forward It was determined that the M&D was legally adequate pursuant to sequel Guidelines section 15096 and so a subsequent M&D was prepared for the Emerald Isle condominium project There's a brief project history beginning from the neighborhood meeting in January Following through a notices of application response to project issues September 9th the notice of intent to adopt the M&D and the Planning Commission public hearing was issued and then on 20 October 24 Planning Commission approved the land use entitlements The general plan land use designation for this project is low density residential and It's it's interesting to note that this project as well as the Canyon Oaks project did take advantage of a density transfer scenario provided by the Fountain Grove plan development policy statement In 2016 planning Commission resolution approved an 18-unit density transfer from this project site to the Canyon Oaks Apartments so prior to that that a density transfer the maximum number of units allowed on this project site was a hundred Dwelling units with the density transfer reduced the maximum number of units to 82 units, which is what is proposed and was approved by Planning Commission and The zoning of course is the Fountain Grove plan development policy statement Terms of environmental review as I mentioned the subsequent M&D was approved The mitigation measures relate to a air quality particularly focused on a construction activity mitigation Bio resources a nesting bird survey is required for this project Excuse me Adjacent residents indicated that there's signs that a great horned owl is nesting in one of the trees and so we consulted with state The California Department of Fish and Wildlife and upon their advisement. We did extend the nesting bird survey requirement from November 1 through August 31 So nesting bird Mitigations would be in place and required from November 1 through August 31 to accommodate the potential for great horned owl nesting Cultural resources mitigations require that an arch archaeologist or tribal monitor Be on site during initial ground disturbance and then follow up appropriately and then compliance with the geotech report that was provided by the Applicant at the time of applications submittal Here's a perspective of the tentative map and It especially seemed important to to highlight here the buildings. We can see these seven residential buildings that Are arranged around the central portion of the site which includes the recreation center as well as the community amenities for the site And then the EVA access road That provides that alternative access in the event of an emergency Additionally the project was conditioned In the final development advisory committee report to require that an emergency generator be installed at the recreation center and that the generator would provide at least 12 hours of emergency power in the event of a power outage Which is a great addition to the project Land use and coverage data that was provided in the staff report about 46 percent of the Project site remains a natural open space with about 10 percent landscaped and then buildings parking circulation Sidewalks and exterior flat work then comprise the remainder of of the project site The slope analysis we can see here that slopes ranged In in excess of 25 percent the project was designed to take advantage of those slopes by conforming to the slope and Integrating slope into the overall project design and it does results in a majority of the site as Slope on the site being undisturbed particularly in those areas that exceed 25 percent and then we can see here how the design contributes to The buildings conforming to the the slope on the site With with the with this building design it does result in maximum building height of 41.5 feet for for any one building on the site Visual analysis Shows how the buildings are integrated into the site and take advantage of tree cover To conceal the new development and then this shows we upon the initial Submittal the the building roof line, which we'll see later was was more of a peaked roof and Upon the recommendation of planning staff the applicant went back and reworked reworked those roof lines which resulted in a reduction in the overall building height but then contributed to more of a more Horizontal perspective that seemed to help the buildings hug this slope a bit more and and the overall aspect of the null as well and so the design review requirements in addition to the findings that must be made pursuant to zoning code regulations the fountain Grove PD does require design review related to building design site design and landscape Streetscape building massing screening and off-street parking and each of these was Addressed specifically in the staff report that was provided Terms of development characteristics the 82 units consist of one one bedroom unit 45 two-bedroom units and then 36 two bedrooms with a done bonus room Covered parking we can see here the proposed does exceed what is required and then of the remainder is uncovered And so the overall parking does exceed the minimum requirement and so as as I'm sure the the architect and Landscape architect will talk about here The 82 units are divided between the eight buildings to avoid significant building mass the building setbacks range from 20 feet to 108 feet Depending on where you're at on the site the buildings 2 through 6 and the recreation center which contain 76% of all of the units are oriented towards the center of the site Then in terms of the building design the exterior architectural style draws from the bungalow craftsmen and Arts and crafts architectural styles we can see that in the low-pitched gable roofs the overhangs the exterior walls featuring wood shingles horizontal and vertical wood siding and the use of stucco and natural stone and here is a slide that shows that the roof line modification as was originally submitted and then As revised by the applicant during the issues process And then this shows additionally the Elevations before and after we can also see here in these images how each of the units does have access to Outdoor space through balconies and as well as the the general Openness of the buildings the ability to see through the buildings and such to capture the natural existing landscape And then this is the the building massing in height of building four, which is the largest building in the project Building two which is typical of several buildings in the project And then finally the recreation center which differs slightly from the other two and three story The configuration of the other buildings Landscape design, I believe the landscape architect is intending to go into great detail on the design so I'll just just point out that Efforts were made to retain as many existing trees as possible and that the there will be a replanting of 250 trees as part of the landscape process Also, it's important to note the impact of the Defensible space plan that was implemented on this project in response to its location Within the wui zone and we can see here that the applicant is Proposing to implement all four zones of the defensible space plan and perhaps they'll be able to talk about the impact that has on landscape decisions as well And then the tree preservation and protection plan that was provided in the the Attachments to the staff report. It does reflect a Combination of tree removals due to loss of trees as a result of fire damage as well as Trees that were removed pursuant to the prior approval of the community care facility And this provides some illustrations of some of the streetscape features As well as the parking and screening elements So one addition that was made in response to neighborhood concerns as well as concerns of the golf course management and board was People wandering on to the golf course from the project. So in response to that the applicant negotiated with the Fountain Grove golf course to a design and install a property line fencing along the 11th fairway This property line fencing at this point in time is the only one that's been proposed and the design of it is to have a four-foot tall fence with some natural wood as well as the The wire fencing itself This is is not an image from the 11th fairway, but it's typical of showing how we have the the groomed golf course Area the fairway area and how it then meets up with the existing Tree cover and and that emergence of the slope where then the project would be located Planning staff does recommend that design review board consider a condition of approval That would allow the installation of additional property line fencing To be mutually agreed upon by the applicant and the golf course in the future Provided that that property line fencing does conform to The approved fence design and would be approved by planning staff With that there are no remaining issues to be addressed In some of the issues that arose during public comments emergency evacuation concerns Those were addressed through the the initial Configuration of the EVA access road as well as the addition of the Emergency generator and some other measures that the applicant is taking to both Disseminate emergency evacuation information to tenants as well as to gather information from tenants to provide for contact in the case of an emergency Allowable density and subdivisions concerns Planning staff review does conclude that this project does comply with the allowable density and subdivision requirements environmental concerns which Were addressed through mitigation Included in the subsequent MND that was adopted Aesthetic concerns particularly related to building height of the applicant did respond to planning staff recommendation to reduce those roof lines and then golf course Concerns that have been resolved in part through the addition of the property line fencing and continue to be negotiated between the applicant and The fountain Grove golf course management And with that planning and economic development Department recommends that the design review board approved major preliminary major design review For the emerald isle condominiums project staff is available to answer any questions and as I've indicated the Applicant team is here as well. Thank you Thank You Andrew great presentation I'll start off the questions before moving on to the board Can you go over a bit of what was locked in from the prior entitlement approvals as far as site plan building locations Streets all that stuff as opposed to what we're reviewing this evening by prior approvals you mean their community care facility no the Yeah, planning commission approval the tentative map as you received as an attachment to the staff report was approved And and the site plan was approved as well Just like to clarify that in advance because a lot of times we'll start looking at a sand wall if this building was tweaked a Little bit this way and that's kind of outside of our purview at this point Sometimes it comes to us before and we do have that sort of Abilities, but just wanted to clear that up so questions for staff Henry Kind of along that same vein Andrew the major hillside development Permit that was approved. I'm assuming that's related back to the hillside correct portion of it. Can you summarize what issues were raised at that at that meeting and What mitigations were achieved in this current design to to alleviate those concerns the The planning Commission did not have any particular issues or raise any issues In their discussion about the hillside development permit approval They were in reflection able to find that it does comply with the hillside development standards Which does allow development on slope succeeding 25% provided that that slope is minimized and that there's no the visual analysis concludes that there's no impact visual impact So am I to understand that the three-story elevation on the downhill side plus the pony wall was was not a concern That the building didn't step in some fashion No, no that was not identified as a concern Can can we can we speak to that tonight, or is that given that the tentative map is approved I Mean the if the massing is already determined that I really can't comment on something about a potential Flaw in the design Yeah, I think the the point is is that with that approval for the hillside permit with the tentative map as Mr. Triple indicated the site plan is effectively locked in and so the as well as the massing The grading was evaluated as part of that. There were no specific concerns raised at the meeting But the findings were able to be met so to be clear. We're only looking at landscaping and materials Essentially landscaping colors materials, correct any further questions. Sorry, no no further questions Or in questions for stuff You had one of your exhibits was defensible space that was brought I know we've had a lot of talk about the fire that they're reading the arborist report There's a hundred trees that were lost in the fire is the defensible space document with it. Yeah, with it Teared. Thank you colors there Separating the defensible space We use the word exercise your task from vehicular Secondary access that's a whole nother study What was the exact purpose of this exhibit? What were what were the strivings? For defensible space was that was that something to do with fire? Or was it with you know, we talk about defensible space We we look out of now that this is no longer assisted living its ownership units its foresail ownership The the way people can look out of windows kitchens bedrooms and see things I Guess I can think of wildlife that might come in and and be something you'd view that you'd want to defend yourself from perhaps Perhaps not but is the word defensible here that? It's it's a project that Can can see pedestrians prowling around at night or what what's they? What is the purpose of this sure so I think I think it would be helpful to distinguish between a Defensible space plan as it relates to fire protection versus the septet which would be Protection through environmental design to create that you know more Better visual or view sheds from personal spaces and such the goal here is to reduce the amount of Fuel or potential fuel that would be adjacent to buildings In the event that there was a fire and I wanted to point this out because of the impact that it may have on landscape design It did seem important to include this in the presentation and make note of it Okay, thank you. Thanks for that distinction. It's all about fuel suppression and landscape materials that respond To greater safety. Thank you correct Thank You Warren Adam questions for staff What's the wires up here? Just to clarify one other question about our purview and site plan being locked in does that include circulation of The area in terms of parking lots and is that all locked in as well? Oh, yes, it is. Okay. Okay In Your really thorough and great staff report is very well done One you mentioned that city staff has reviewed and approved many aspects of it does that include is the fire Department have they approved the plan as well. They've reviewed it and approved it access Defensible space plan and all that Yes, they have city engineering Buildings fire all of the the departments that typically review projects have reviewed it And they're and they're their comments or conditions of approval are incorporated into the development advisory committee report. Okay, great. Thank you Thanks, Adam Brett questions for staff Just had a question about the mitigation Has that it based on I guess the the Santa Rosa code For tree mitigation removal mitigation has it sounds like the planning staff or Development director has approved the 250 trees that are to be replaced as part of the mitigation is that number been approved by the development director Well in planning review, we found that it does meet the minimum minimum mitigation requirement If if you wanted to require more trees Then I believe it would be the purview of design review board to require that No, yeah, I guess Basically, I haven't haven't gone through the process several times now. It's more just Making sure that that mitigation number has been met because there's certain Diameter or caliper of tree that needs to be replaced and it wasn't wasn't in in the arborist report It wasn't necessarily tallied in terms of the caliper that needed to be replaced and then You know, you go down the you do the calculations and so I'm assuming That if planning has reviewed and reviewed the horticultural report that the 250 at 36 inch You know the trees that are specified meet that requirement is that been vetted and that is Yes, the applicant did submit a tree mitigation summary and perhaps I didn't include that as an attachment But we did review that and it does it is articulated in that summary. Yeah. Yeah, I just didn't go through the 900 and I think 46 to kind of add up the You know the the inches or the caliper size quite so and then another I guess clarifying question are the trees That are that need to be planted as part of the mitigation are those Happening on the property or they happening in the golf course That's a great question. There are I believe four trees that are on golf course property that would be removed as To facilitate construction of the access road. There's trees located on just off of Thomas Lake Harris Drive the mitigation does allow for the the replanting of The the replant the trees replanted to mitigate removal of those trees could be located at the discretion of The golf course, but any trees that are are removed and need to be Miticated on the project site itself would then be replanted on the project site project itself. Okay Maybe my next question is for the for the applicant then Yeah That's all at the moment. Thank you Thank You Brett follow up on the tree question. I Assumed that the trees to be planted and was determined open space as well Is that accurate? It's not just in the building footprint with those disturbed areas It could come down the hillside and fill in gaps as it needed Right. Yes Great any other questions that okay Brett go ahead. Sorry one more For the water the water supply for this project. Is it? Is it recycled water or is it public? Domestic domestic water. What's the water use category? I guess It would be city water domestic water, right? I don't believe there's any access to recycled water at this location in the city or well or cistern etc This is all thank you any other questions for staff Yeah Has it always been zoned low residential? From 81 when the PD was established I'm not certain about the history of the general plan land use designation. I know At least the previous general plan it was Designated low density residential And that that density is eight eight units per acre correct maximum of a maximum. Okay. Thank you Okay, with that we will welcome applicant presentation Thank you Steve McCullough with OSL properties and with me tonight. I have beat words of land design consultant group and I have Robert South or excuse me Robert South our OSL architect and behind him is Paul Barthelot from Belgian race engineers and Unfortunately, one of our other team Vern Loesch who's with the California State Firefighters Association was unable to to make it tonight all of them have assisted us in the site planning and building design to ensure conformance to design hillside and design review standards and also to fire and evacuation guidelines Planner Andrew triple staff report is very thorough and well-written He's done a fine presentation of our project very thorough So I won't take up of your time showing you these the same exhibits that he's already shown you And we have the presentation boards there and I think you've been given the material and color boards up there Just to reiterate some of it Andrew's covered most of it But if you don't mind in response to comments at the neighborhood meeting An emergency preparedness and evacuation plan was prepared for our development 15 additional parking spaces were added and as mentioned building heights were lowered by five and a half feet and fencing will be added along the 11th fairway and What hasn't been messing is there's a drainage issue between the golf course and the oaks development Which is adjacent our property that has been ongoing for years and in our research We've found the solution to resolve that as we do our EVA Access easement if you have any questions on that Paul Barthelos here to respond to it And also in response to a concern at the last design review We do now have the second access in the form of an EVA It's a recorded EVA easement through the golf course over to Thomas Lake Harris and that was not included before So now we have that second access And kind of as mentioned I know we're here today to review that and ensure the building design and landscaping Is of the highest quality but equally important. I feel our building standards and emergency plans as mentioned Emerilisle will have our an emergency preparedness plan an evacuation plan It was it was prepared by Vern loch of the California State Firefighters Association With the assistance of Sonya Taylor who's a local advocate for responsible development in high fire zones And she has given us a letter of support, which I think was in the plan If not, I have a copy of it if you'd like to see it And the emergency plan has been reviewed by the Santa Rosa fire department We're confident that our residents and our employees will be well prepared with this Plan, they'll be well prepared if and when any emergency Occurs not just fires, but also earthquake power outages, so whatever And due to its location in the Fountain Grove area Our buildings will be built according to the California building code Chapter 7a in compliance with the wildlife urban interface Which includes but not limited to special venting in the eaves cementitious siding tempered windows screens on the gutters and It also includes emergency stairway lighting with battery backup And as mentioned by Andrew earlier We are going to have a permanent emergency generator with an underground Propane tank which will provide power to the rec center To facilitate an emergency meeting place or cooling area or evacuation if necessary So it won't provide power to the entire Development, but it will be to the to the rec center and that was called out in our emergency plan As mentioned it has a defensible place space plan Which again has been reviewed by the fire department and maintain and will be maintained by our landscape crews Exeggates will be interconnected with our fire alarm system with manual override in case of a power outage and As mentioned we will have the recorded EVA easement to out to Thomas Lake air strive and with that I will hand it over to Pete worse who will kind of go over the site planning that we went through and he Can discuss the site plan defensible space and Thank You Steve can we get the overall landscape plan up on the screen for the audience Okay, so emerald owl truly is a island in the middle of the found grove the back nine of the found grove country club golf course with views from the northern and east to the 11th fairway to the south over found grove lake and to the hills to the east of Santa Rosa and then there are filtered views through the trees to the west Where you get a little bit of a sunset view if you're looking through the trees from the upper floors It may be a more clear view in the way that we have it laid out the approach to the site is on a private street that also services the oak subdivision Which is which is under reconstruction right now we cross over between the 12th green and the 13th tease of the golf course and The road snakes up the hill Based on some some time I spent on the site with our arborist Becky duckles I Needed her to help me to decide which groves of trees were the most appropriate for us to save in the in regards to this road That we'll need to snake so that we could get to a 15% slope for the section nearest the top of the hill and In reviewing that we determined that the grove to the left of the road where we snaked Around the trees with much better specimens of trees on this site the oak trees that are at the lower slopes Are in much better condition better specimens and it's due to the fact that really the top of the hill is Very rocky So you get a little the trees at the top are much more scraggly than the trees that that surround and Including the trees that are on the the edges of the 11th fairway At the lower edges and better trees So When we We don't have a slide for the L2 sheet, but you guys do in your package I believe and it's some sections that we drew through the site The design team concluded very early in the design process that a step-down Building was going to fit this site better than anything we could have done on a flat pad the other Buildings we had been doing before on this site were Elderly care facilities and required a flat pad So in this case you can see also on the elevations if we can put up maybe an elevation for the audience So you're entering at the middle floor and So no one has to go up or down more than one flight of stairs Which is also a convenience for this senior community that we are but now remember it's just senior 55 and older so it's people like us So then The the the units were arranged around the perimeter of the site based on that step-down and Trying to minimize the amount of pony wall that we needed we needed to be able to provide for Fire ladder access also can we bring up that the what I called the L5 sheet? We Andrew mentioned that we No, no the one with the fence not with the Mentioned that we to satisfy some concerns from the neighbors on the At Lake Point on the on the 11th fairway That we that we put in a fence for that purpose But we also increased the density of the tree planting below the units for building to and building the Number of trees in the mitigation summary is 240 36 inch box trees the other 10 must be mitigation for the two redwoods at the Thomas Lake Harris and of the of the of the EVA and The mention we are intending to put 240 36 inch box trees on the property that is The Emerald Isle property and they can be used below the units or above the the overall site plan reflects the original 240 my Concept is to move some of those to create more density along the 11th fairway for the residents the other thing that this plan describes is The defensible space landscape and Warren to clarify where that reason why we have a Defensible space plan that looks off a lot like a vegetation management plan that you would do at construction drawing level Was the last time we were at design review was requested by some of your colleagues that we produced that plan So we just went ahead and and did it again for this project But it does help to understand how landscaping Should occur in this type of zone and I think the key things that come out of a defensible space plan is that the 10 feet Surrounding the the building is Well irrigated ornamental landscaping and I hear that all the time when I'm talking to fire guys about it It's we want well irrigated landscape up against the building as good a mitigation as we can have Then following that the next level is ground covers and shrubs that are widely spaced Until you get to the grassland which would be native and at that point that that needs to be mowed to four inches Tree oak trees be limbed up If you've been out there recently or since the fire the ladder fuels actually were burned off of the entire No, but they will begin to recover or they are recovering now and the maintenance of the Oakland Staff will be to maintain all the statements that we make on that defensible space plan Which will get incorporated into construction drawings as a vegetation management plan, which will need approval of the fire department The other thing that this plan shows you is there are four foot DG paths that are Intended as fire access for the 150 foot hose poles and you can also see that we delineate ladder pads on the backside of the building which are In order to get to the third floor and you can see on the dispensable space plane We have a little detail that shows exactly where those ladder pads have to be Because we are using the extent of the ladder the 34 ladder to its maximum so as far as the pony wall situation is it relates to those ladder pads Which will actually have a retaining wall around them in many cases in order to create the flat pad for it So it's there is a pony wall at the at the underneath the lowest deck, but then there's a stepped Terrace wall that will that will occur in regards to the ladder pads. There are also terrace walls that occur So that we can keep our wall heights to less than six feet by the garage Areas the garage peninsulas that go out you'll also see if you look at the overall plan There are some stairways that come down at the end of some of the garage bays that act as fire lanes and part of the 150 foot hose pole to get to some of the buildings that face Fungrove Lake So where was it there wasn't a l3 sheet, but you guys you guys have it in your package The l3 sheet shows a blow-up of the recreational amenities That are provided at the site the swimming pool and spa There's a lanai by the by the pool. There's a pet park with a shade pavilion and then there's a recreation center and a leasing office that actually has some units upstairs from that and But I'll let Robert get into architecture So now We would like to propose an alternative On on that sheet on the l3 sheet if you guys are looking at it. We show a stucco wall with a With a precast cap We'd like to propose an alternative for the areas that are retaining walls below garages and That might be a split face block Type of a wall. I think that the stucco walls in the more Visual areas is important but that the in they when you're down in the trees in the brush that you could go to a more simple wall Rosemary cascading over it the there are walls as you go up the The main entrance road that actually face the grove of trees So they're at the only the cap of the wall would be visual. There are some walls on the EVA We're asking if we could have that as an alternative And with that I think I'll let Robert describe the architecture Chairman Kincaid members of the board. Good evening Robert South here staff architect with the Oakmont senior living We've covered a lot of ground here before I step up here But as you can see the key to the site is the site plan I've been involved with the past two efforts That is a skilled nurse nursing project in 2016 and the assisted living project in 2017 And if there's one thing we learned from the neighborhood meetings The style of architecture that we've presented was was pretty much a given according to the neighbors They in fact said Make it look like the lodge Well, we can't can't exactly make it look like the lodge the lodge is a large building With a central basic entrance what we have here is a number of smaller buildings that have to perform an act like Individual units with individual entrances But our goal is to have the feeling of a small village when you're there The eight buildings Share four different color schemes that are actually very close in nature. They're they're unified with a common roof common window trim treatments trellis treatments stonework But with the bungalow style and the fact Steve mentioned that we have responded by lowering the roof heights By some five and a half feet That gives us one more advantage in it to create Roof wells with mechanical equipment So that makes the the equipment Pretty much disappear makes it quieter more room for landscaping We've been encouraged to use high quality materials we believe we have done that We've got a variety of four different exterior materials that is shingles lap-siting stucco and vertical board and bat and the buildings use various Formations of those four The Recreation building uses all the materials and The other buildings use either two or three of the exterior buildings But the unifier there as I said was the roofing and so forth The other unifying factor and color is that of the stucco Stucco is a what is a cool color? all of the other Materials are our complimentary warmer tones Part of the things that we heard at these other meetings was Handicap access for these buildings Given that their condominiums they don't necessarily have to meet CBC You know chapter 11 Accessibility, but I believe we've gone the extra mile to create as much as we can of that All of the ground floor units are accessible the the downstairs and upstairs units from that are Adaptable If you do the math that makes 40% of the units accessible We created passive travel from Handicap parking to the units as best we can that's buildings two through six Buildings one and seven Because of the topography have pretty steep slopes to get to the common facilities, so Technically someone in a building One or seven is in a wheelchair would have to get some assistance to get to the Recreation facility The accessory buildings Around the poolside mainly the pet park the lanai The garages We have used the same basic materials and roofing And colors to try to integrate all of that just one more thing is we have gone To the point where there are no identical buildings out of the seven or eight buildings Some of the buildings have an identical footprint But because of the use of of colors materials there's a there's a change up there So we think it's a unique project And a beautiful island great. Thank you for the presentation Before we get into questions, I think I'm going to open up public comment on this item So public comment for item 6.1 Emerald Isle anyone wishing to speak on this project Please approach podium and give us your name. You have three minutes Seeing no members of the public approaching the podium I will close public comment on item 6.1 and we'll bring it back to the board for questions for the applicant So we'll stick to questions at this point in time. We've got questions Henry No questions Warren questions No questions Adam questions. No questions Brett questions We still have another opportunity to address staff I think now would be appropriate time if you have questions for staff or the applicant I'll just ask I guess on the for the tree mitigation and term I guess is this will be for the applicant given the Plant list that we received and in the tree Tree list that we received as well on the in the previous materials The the one thing I was wondering is the selection the tree selection. It's not It's not the You're not in terms of the mitigating you're not using or at least specifying similar genus or species For that mitigation and so I was wondering what the rationale around that was so for instance removing valley oaks and and other others and there's Usually those have to be replaced with a similar genus or species of a tree. So just curious why Trees on site are valley oaks live oaks Buckeyes and there are other trees in fountain grove That are historic in most cases is the acer macro phylum that we've been used. That's the big leaf maple And we've been using it on projects in fountain grove To great success the found a large project and we used it also at Canyon Oaks There is Buckeyes on the list and there are Valley oaks on the list and the big leaf maple as far as native trees. I Left I believe we left out or maybe I didn't do we have the the list Give the L5 Okay But I thought to leave out if I didn't show it with the live oak which which causes I'm sorry to repeat that you said you wanted to leave out the live oak Just say it was the microphone in my mind I did I wanted to make sure whether I did or not on the plan and that was it but it was the thought was due to the Issues of fire and late in the year when the live oaks The leaf started to go brown and they caused a lot of grief during the big fire up there So the use of natives Used to be and on found grove Lodge and Verena was extensive And then the fire and so then you start looking at what you know the thing that rings in my head is the well irrigated ornamental landscaping and and so For the for the Canyon Oaks project and I and I'm hoping at this project. We've gone to a more ornamental palette of planting now on the lower slopes as We get past that 10-foot zone and and I'm picturing that most of it is ground cover I think it arch the Staphalus creeping manzanita be appropriate For some of those areas The native shrubs up there are manzanitas and a lot of poison oak So I just that clarifying yeah a little bit I guess I just want to bring it up for as the project moves ahead and I know with at least In previous projects the mitigation is at least the language in the code is the mitigation should replace what's being removed by species or genus and so if the just bringing that up if if there's if staff and Others feel that this still meets it that's fine But it'd be I think one one addition to that is maybe like you're saying the valley oak or something like that That is and I see some of the others on there, but in terms of that You know that hard line of mitigation replacing it with what was there so just so I didn't mean to leave out the valley oak Yeah That can be conditioned No, I understand that used to be the way that that ordinance was written and then in projects like up here in Fountain Grove It is very difficult to mitigate all the trees that would be removed would like species or it would just be an oak and Certainly that's possibility But it is is it what is desired or is a more diverse landscape desired Any other questions Brett? That's all. Thank you. Great. Thank you for the explanation I had one question on the landscape walls the more rock-out croppings if you will are those going to be Harvested on site and reused. Yes, great And now we'll get on to comments and I'm looking down your way Henry so comments for a couple of comments My my first one is my disappointment and that a project like this has come this far and Gone through so much before we get a chance to discuss its design Having having the tentative map approved and having the hillside approved Limits limits what I can say about the project, but I just I want to voice that comment. I think somehow our process is in some ways put the cart before the horse and Maybe maybe it for another time we can discuss how that might get changed in the future If if I was looking at the hillside Guidelines and making comments on it. I would have I would have thought somebody at or before me would have mentioned that in the design guidelines part a in section 4.5 that You're we're supposed to minimize the grading on hillsides and step floors to follow the hillside I I don't see any stepping in this project. I see a very large three and a half story elevation On the downhill side the the front elevation I'm perfectly fine with in a lot of respects, but the downhill side The the side is going to be visible from across the street by the neighborhood just just seems Very abrupt and and very vertical to me and it and it and it goes against what's put in our hillside guidelines While I'm while I'm in the hillside guidelines I'll mention one more thing because it's gonna it's gonna actually relate to one thing I can come in on and that's the colors Section seven of that of that part of the section also says use use roofing and siding colors that blend in With the natural color palette of the surrounding site Further goes on to say darker colors are generally more appropriate in vision Visualizing sensitive hillside locations as lighter colors reflect more light and stand out more so I'm gonna come back to that. I'm gonna I'm gonna say what I like about the project and That I like the the fact that it's it serves 3.2% of our housing need that that is desperately needed in Santa Rosa and Sonoma County, so Hats off to you for getting 82 units that we need here in Santa Rosa I also like the textures and materials on the project. I think it's a nice blend of of textural context, but I'm gonna get back to the colors now and kind of go into a couple of little minor things that I don't like about the project beside Besides the massing that I've probably driven home already I'd like to see that the almond color of the windows be a darker color I'd actually like to see that the colors the body colors be Darker as well and the and the white trim can just Go to something different. I get I get why you did it and that and it creates some horizontal banding but it could be done in a different color and Kind of follow more along the lines of our hillside design guidelines so with that I'll let my fellow board members Get more into detail on landscaping and other architectural aspects Thank You Henry, and I would like to address in part how you might frame some of your Ideas of how to break up that math three-story masses that you know we can say The applicant can consider Might consider it may not go anywhere But at least it's you're passing your thoughts along and how to make the design more superior So I'll let you think about that and then we can circle back around Mr. Chairman if I may just add a little bit of clarification This is a little bit challenging because we did have an entitlement that was granted the hillside development permit And if you look at the findings of the hillside permit, it is more specific in terms of grading It does talk about stepping it does talk about the building form and yet the building form the Architectures with the design of your board normally looks at so there is a little bit of an intersection there But the Planning Commission did make those findings. They didn't raise any concerns. I think the and I want to make sure that The board doesn't feel limited only to landscaping and colors and materials you can comment on architectural details, of course but I just wanted to reiterate that that hillside permit it is a approved vested right now with this project and it does talk about the Massing of the building forms Thank You bill Warren comments Thank You Chairman Kinkate I wanted to Firstly appreciate it. This has been a long process and I can understand economically with the somewhat dicey nature of assisted living with how accounting is and how hard those are to manage that in a good refreshing way going back to ownership housing For seniors yesterday was an article of paper about we're all going to live to a hundred don't be afraid of it It's going to be something to be wonderful and embrace and I actually like the idea of this project coming back as Entitled doorbells. They're our space in nature, but it's it's actually refreshing to see that ownership is here I've even had friends say that they may move back from Phoenix or Sacramento to be back with their friends after they Raced away, so that that in itself is something. I'm happy to see It's interesting Henry's comments and I think Said said carefully bill. I don't think I'm going to trouble you with with massing. I know that there's this the situation about Planning Commission having a need to assess housing housing allocations and loophies Hillside the hillside ordinance was invented by them. It's their camp and we are to look on with with hope in In looking at if you go to slide 21 of the building design in the staff 21 yeah, I know it's a little hard to see here, but there is that there's a comparative In building design it was B2 building B2 before roof modification and after Yeah, that's a good one right there I Believe I'm talking about details here But if you notice the height of the roof of the before with the ridge climbing up and how it was shaved down five feet The the center gable form there as you drop that roof fight To me it's a bit disjointed the lower. It's such a high hat piece of trellis work that's soaring above things Typically trusses are working trusses. I know in the lodge proper you had deeper colored windows The trusses were pretty hefty. This is more ornamental in nature But it may very well be that if the color palette deepens that the word white or off-white windows and That could indeed Shift or I'll use the word Develop into some deeper colors This if you go to slide 20 go back to 22 now Which is Yeah, and slide 22 Here we have That same building it's B2 and below it's the side elevations As I understand the whole lot real quick or You have a different slide and they're looking at I think the slides are off because we don't have the same number in our Bag maybe we need to go back. It's the before and after of one after two on the Yeah, side elevation. Yeah, so here's here's the side elevations. There's a lot of animation obviously with the the front elevations Oftentimes between bedrooms and other other accoutrements when you sandwich buildings in your in your long tall building You've excuse me your long building. You actually have coupleted units where you don't have hallways in between in the smaller buildings you maintain this cross circulation and One of the things I'm looking at is the cross circulation Obviously allows for light to come in you've got four-sided light and there because you're entering into the buildings You you have your access handicapped wise I think my point is I'm a little puzzled at since you're making these buildings more broken. They're all different and They're they're not as long as large or senior care facilities that the exploration of windows at those end cheeks the end ends of the buildings Looking hopefully happily or encouragingly you could populate more windows in those end elevations looking at the bedrooms looking at the bathrooms it would animate those walls and so Throughout the building themes this this kind of a center porthole that has this rather high hat Trust in my book. I think it'd be more serene to bring that high hat trust down I think to Henry's point all this this horizontal trimming in some ways Perhaps it's more distracting it emphasizes more that the three-story nature and if that was toned down Perhaps it would look a little less jarring In the bungalow style Typically there you don't see a lot of multi-high-high-story buildings in the bungalow. It's more a low profile The entry queuing portals Maybe what I should just do now is go back to the architectural set because it's not as pixelated but in the I Think it's the it's a third if we were to look at the third cluster of buildings It's you got a lot of drawings in here and there was a lot of work. So my pardons here, but if you go if you go back to the attachment three of four seven C plan set three of four attachment seven C Can we bring that one up if that's is that too hard to do that? You're gonna you're gonna go off-road now from this site presentation, but it's the PDF Attachment three Yeah, it'll take just a moment. We'll pull it up out of the packet Yeah, thank you Okay, so if everyone has that This is the same. This is that more standard building Speak of there is a sheet a 1.2. That's a plan view Thank you for your patience Warren. Can you repeat which? Attachment it's the attachment It's the attachment that it's set three of four attachments seven C project plan set three of four So I just been advised that to switch over to this format. We need to shut down Reboot it'll take a couple minutes. So maybe we can take a break and we'll pull this sheet up I'm sorry for that. I just fine. Let's go ahead and take a five-minute recess perfect. Thank you quicker than Recommence Okay, thank you for that momentary pause so that we could get a different plan set up We will recommence items 6.1 and Warren you're up. Thank you for your patience. I just thought this would help so In in this set of documents again, I've discussed the idea of This rather high-hot hat central trust which is a theme to the whole project Perhaps coming down in line with the other trusses It's it's a bit awkward in my opinion. Just join it having it be that high There is yeah, I Know we have now Evidently on our sample board. It says stone veneer El Dorado stone I'm I'm trying to look back at the last discussion because there's a There is a kettle stone a real stone that that's veneer cut that has a pleasant It's not that El Dorado stone doesn't have a great texture But there's a durability to that kettle stone was a shaved cut that is also very Appealing and that could be a consideration I Just I'd like the Applicant to consider how these trusses how these gables sit on something. There's there's typically Rather than hovering. There's typically on the bottom cord of those trusses a Outriggering Corbels or some something for it to nest on so it does not appear to be hovering I think that would settle things down The the comment going going to plans if I could If this would be sheet a12 this is why we went to all this trouble Okay on sheet a12 if you want to blow up the bottom there You can see how my my discussion about the end units having more windows in them In the plan view you can see how that could potentially be executed so that they would be more animated One thing I wanted to point out was you can ever see on on light here Here is I'll do it this way in the intersection here. Here's your whole Forte of getting in with with wheelchair as an accessibility. You've got 41 units or better. They can be accessed So I understand this this axis point here, and this is all of our fire exiting What's interesting about this this particular? Fourth axis point, it's going to be rarely used it could be Certainly populated with benches or something maybe potted plants, but if it's going to be a conversation area for exchange I don't know that has dog food areas or doggie doggie appointments, but Something needs to be done there so that it feels That it's a rewarding place to be its place versus path and that occurs in a lot of the buildings in the Obviously in your long building you've been you've cheek-to-cheek put four of these together and that's fine so if I go back to Shea 1.1, which is the Just the drafting work. It's kind of easier to see so just slide back to the elevations. Yeah so here What I'm speaking of is is this truss comes down These these high trusses here these come down a bit lower this big Well, I'll in many in many ways you've got a you've got a long tall column line Some of these are done with stucco sometimes are done with stone and you have this batchard At the base, I'm not sure how far back that goes. It can't hit the window It seems a little spindly here for me if it were me I would take the column and Not at the expense of the window line because these are so tall and the three-story sides are very tall, but I Think increasing this dimension over because the the width to height is so I'll use the word reaching That that may be a consideration. It just it's just kind of spindly looking up that height Now I have to catch myself because fire has to work and all the egress codes have to work So it may be that the battering itself is is that the best answer? Is it distracting or wonderful to have the battering? Maybe it's a personal thought But it's the only place that occurs. See other places are not battered some are some are and I would just invite you to at least be thoughtful that when you have a four-way portal here if you're trying to be Democratic about it then perhaps other elements need to be battered as well so that a sense of of unity a sense of orchestral harmony might exist I Think Henry said it very well on the colors deepening up the colors And I know there's a window that's kind of a pumice gray We're probably not saying black is the answer but but The the recreation building in some ways has a more successful back than front There's some windows at the top. Maybe it's a weight room up there We don't have to go to that but if you look at your wreck building a Consideration that you animate those windows. There's just two eyeball windows at that But consider animating high windows even people in weight rooms want to see light I believe we'll leave certainly time on the on the landscape. It's totally in your hands and I don't really want to go there, but It's interesting with water management as as Plants like rhododendrons and more water-loving plants need to be around the buildings that they take water doing it, but it's I'll just say this much to be a wonderful place with great landscaping. I know you as a company are Very adamant. There's a certain person in the company family that loves landscaping and that's not a bad thing It's something where this is a place for people to feel very Rewarded in living there. So I'm not here to be spartan about the plants I just I'm curious about how water works with all that but I'll leave it to the experts and I'm done Thanks Warren Adam comments Sure, thank you and Definitely very thorough package very thorough presentation. Appreciate that and a little echo Henry's Comments that you were getting something. It's very developed. I'm at this point. That being said, I think it's well-developed. So for the most part I do I think the revisions to the roof lines are really great to kind of nestle the the Buildings into the site into sort of nestling into the tree line as well It's a good revision I also appreciate breaking up the buildings to help with the massing it is And I'm glad that I've gone after the architects over there because they brought some points that I had questions on also I was hoping to get some of their Thoughts before. Yeah, the three-story wall and the downslope is pretty pretty hefty and I do think that with the color palettes You know, we're supposed to be we're supposed to look at Surrounding areas how it can fit in how it can complement the and I think it almost It The choices do fit in but they almost sort of fit in in between and I feel like there could be some choices either made basically I feel like it with the There could be more Tweaks to the to the color choices in terms of bringing in some more golden colors I'm not many things gold or yellow. We're bringing in a little bit more of the golden Thinking of the golden hillsides in late summertime and then with the grays especially the B2 lapsiding Bringing in a bit more of the the blues of the greenish blues and thinking of Kind of the oaks the oak leaves It's pretty gray that's there now and so in the roof The shingles are Kind of brownish gray. I feel like that that it's it's leaning heavily upon grays And could actually bring in a bit more Tonal pattern to really kind of blend in with the surrounding trees and with the hills and landscaping I feel like you're on the right track, but I feel like I feel like it bringing in a little bit of warmth Could be good. So I'm definitely not saying to throw everything out But to kind of keep pushing on them a little bit to think of warmer colors Definitely, I appreciate all the thought that's gone into fire mitigation and Definitely appreciate, you know the inclusion of the DG pathways the ladder pads I can tell you guys are really thinking about that which I think Especially in this area Of the city in particular, you know, obviously needs to be thought of But I think as Warren mentioned to creating, you know a home place where people can feel comfortable that To really create that sense of safety and I think that you're thinking along those ways I was glad to hear that fire has already Approved all this that you have I didn't see in the packet, but you said you have someone in your group That is part of the California firefighters association. That's great You're bringing people in from the beginning rather than kind of saying oh, we're putting these buildings here And we're yeah, we're gonna make them as fireproof as possible. You're actually thinking about that as a design opportunity and not as a problem, which I think is a good way to think about it Because yeah, you know like the that we need the housing we need housing in that area Or in this this parcel in particular will be a good addition In terms of the plant list also I was glad to see this late edition With getting the the full plant pallet out when I was in our packet, but I was glad to see this here and As Brett brought up in his previous questions with the tree mitigation and the tree choices I I was also looking at the arbor support and see it just kind of going through and seeing what was catalogued and what Is being removed and then actually what is being proposed to be put back in I did notice that the that Oaks weren't in the proposed tree legend I did You're down here now here you say that That you there was a no mission. So yeah, that happens. It's just a you know Plant lists. There's always a lot of speeches on there Oaks. Yeah, so you say you're including Valley Oaks But uh, yeah You know just in you know We could add black oaks to that list. Yeah black oaks the Oregon oak also is another one I noticed that it was in the cat cataloged And you know coast live oaks, of course, there's plenty of coast live looks out there but if we're talking about in terms of Replacing what we're mitigating for you know, that's that's it And I definitely get your thoughts about you're saying we should replace with live oaks also It's I think the omission the entire omission of live oaks is That is a big omission Which you know They're they're not hurting for coast live oaks out there and it kind of depends on the city is okay with with Mitigation and replacement if it's not one-for-one, you know if you can do other plans, and I don't know if necessarily the history and the precedent has been that it's Trees and it didn't and it could be by the the planning director can improve Alternative species other than the ones that are out there. Yeah yeah, and in terms of thinking of you know of Fire Escaping as well to you know of those bigger oaks that will become the larger the ones rather than going to the coast live oaks Which can become shrubby? Thinking of them that sounds like you're thinking that way Other Trees that were kind of left out of the they were left out of the catalog and what you're proposing the Bays the California bays didn't see those in there And I know also knows olives too. There were olives that she cataloged on the site and That kind of goes to my next thought with the trees and Just the specific choices there. They're good choices For the most part in that they're hearty and they're all proven to be to be good Good trees. They will you know perform well in the landscape I think that There that could be a bit more creative thought into the tree choice too and then in diversifying that You know in particular, I think there's plenty of crepe myrtles already planted everywhere The plums as well. I'm very glad that you included the Buckeyes I think that's one that could be going in and be up to their Pistachio is another one that is Potentially over over planted The good choice in that the iron wood in there like that, but just I Assume that you were going with crepe myrtles and the plums to have Trees that do have visual interest to them, you know flowering trees. Yeah, exactly There are you know again just thinking of something That of trees that do fit but are a little bit different. They're not sort of the standard trees You know like I said, these guys are proven, you know, we know they're gonna survive. They're gonna be great But other ones could be thought of Yeah You know, yeah, there's plenty out there that that have that so You know another native that's great out there is the redbud, you know something like that the western redbud But there are other choices that could be involved. So thinking a little bit about that and then that goes to The mitigation and what what was chosen so olives isn't on your proposed list That's olives were were on the catalog You know olives can be beautiful and proven trees if they're chosen, you know without fruiting and whatnot I You it does sound like with the the fire landscaping that you're Gonna really rely heavily on the maintenance aspect of it, too and I know that that is written out in the the notes and the maintenance notes, but is there gonna be a Maintenance handbook, you know, I mean for getting these landscapes cuz you're gonna have the best most beautiful landscape You know safest landscape possible and if it's not taken care of if the landscapers and the management doesn't necessarily Implement that is that something that it was it's I think I could only mention the projects that this developer has done the verano project the thumb grove lodge project The new one is the Canyon Oaks project The maintenance is important to the client. Okay, and and the remember that the Defensible space plan becomes a vegetation management plan in the construction drawings and it's specific and it's approved by fire and it's It's going to be inspected by fire. I guarantee exactly Especially where it is. Yeah, in a certain sense. It's out of your hands once it's it's built in install Yeah, go ahead if I can just mention If you have a chance to look at some of our projects in fountain grove, you'll see that we take tremendous pride in our ongoing maintenance Landscaping and and the buildings everything sure so we we keep them well maintained. Yeah, that's great And yeah, I mean Warren mentioned that there's someone in the group that is very likes the Landscape is very important and that's apparent from seeing your projects too but Just so going towards some of those tree going back to the trees that to So with coast live oaks or say with the olives of you know The the trees could become part of that maintenance regime to and have them be pruned in a way that they're Firewise well maintained And then one last question was a thought was on the Kind of the pedestrian Circulation and access I know that the of course the site plan is locked in but I Think that in terms of crosswalks and how some of the especially the the far-flung buildings and you specifically one five and seven There seems like there's some cross there there could be some more Pedestrian based thinking that could go into thinking about how people are going to walk from you know This far-flung areas to the center spots as well to the center recreation area You know just trying to you know kind of look at building one in particular You know yeah one five and seven just Looking at the pedestrian bit as well again, that's something I assume is locked in as well so but I did still want to bring it up and That covers everything I had written down Yeah, again, thank you for a very thorough Package and presentation a lot of work has gone into it. Thank you. Thank you Adam Brett comments I just wanted to say thank you this. This is very well developed and Obviously a lot of hard work has gone into it and it shows so I Think I've kind of I don't want to reiterate anything anyone else has said other than that. I agree With with everything that's kind of been put on the table in terms of considerations I know we still have to discuss the notion of the split split wall split face wall versus the stucco wall That's something that You know, I think I think just as like a cohesive package just keeping it with one wall Maybe the right answer, especially as you're bringing people into and out of your site That would be my recommendation I'm just keeping it is just kind of one type Because you're also doing that with other perimeter fencing and other kind of vertical features throughout the throughout the project I do like the idea of in terms of the color palette of kind of Changing or considered, you know changing that to things like you know Adam and Warren and Henry had had mentioned and kind of said and I think maybe on some of the the details On kind of the horizontal nature of some of the buildings. I noticed that on a few Elevations that you're utilizing a vertical kind of bored and batten Look and I think that's a little bit more, you know, I guess effective in some in some in some regards and in one in particular was the recreation center, which is Kind of there's a lot going on with each of the elevations and I think kind of simplifying either the orientation of material Would maybe help kind of make that a bit more cohesive Because there is a lot of kind of push-and-pull happening I know we're not supposed to talk about massing But on I was wondering if there's on the elevations like you've you've got up here. Let's say for that front elevation I Did like where Warren was going with that is there a possibility of removing that? Second-story kind of you know gangway across Or is that because I know the units are kind of you know one and then you know staircase comes out And they're kind of utilizing the staircase adjacent to their unit and so in order to create one either less kind of horizontal look or Clutter visual kind of disconnect I guess through that through that hallway through the through that opening Is there a possibility to remove that that second-story crossing? So in the front elevation you have a gangway there's a That connects the left and right side of the building massing. Yeah, oh Yeah, I don't know if that if that are you talking about the walkway on each side this year the one in the I'm not I'm not an architect, but The guard around there's a there's a crossing from this side of the building to this side of the building and that may be a fire Requirement to connect, you know, I don't I'm out of my realm On to So that would that would be protection speed just yet just carefully said here You're going to serve a DA so part of the code is go out there and you need at least 10% there up to 40% so you've got All these buildings have a killing to get in from that the driveling where your car You can be driven by a car get out in a wheelchair from any car and go right in your building from the long side Because of the number of units you have to have stairwell exits, you know, whether your wheelchair Hampered or not so those got it the stairwells the front entry are your guides by the state to honor you To to get to the proceedings and meet code It's just what I was saying was that in the in the intersection of the fourth portal It's kind of like a look through. It's it's kind of throwing a look through It's something be done with that so that you can converse in there make it place If you're speaking about the guard rail That is across for that iron guard rail Is my understanding you wanted that to tie over better or be something that strengthens it or Just to remove it But we can't because we need the guard the guard rail is keeping us from what are you talking about? Yeah, sorry. Yeah in the middle of the night someone could need an ambulance at the guard rail. It's not there Well, not that not not the it's not the guard not not just remove the car, but remove that crossing Okay, so make it so the view is anyway can't do it because you need to ingress egress got it Yep nailed it like I told you I was out of my room But just a question right You're right actually that you could you could push that back to go to the plan Everything would work by code if if that fourth Tea coming out if it was scrolled back with a guard rail. That's not gonna hurt anyone to do that Okay, it's sputtering up here, right And then I think the There was a comment a little bit about Kind of the outdoor amenity spaces and maybe it's something that happens later on down the road But maybe there's an opportunity to create kind of a walking loop or something through what natural vegetation you do have And that you're keeping and enhancing with this project So you do have large oaks and I think a Helen Putnam Park when when I think of that There's an amazing, you know a couple grows of oak oak trees That you kind of circulate through as part of that I know that's not a development obviously, but it is next to You know it is an amenity next to Housing area, but there is possibility maybe To introduce something like that later on down the road It's it's pretty steep On those sections where it's just the natural trees, right? Yeah, you can use the microphone There's there and and one of the issues that we dealt with the reason why we're putting the fencing along the 11th is One of the concerns of the golf course was that they didn't want it They didn't want our residents to be encouraged to walk on to the golf course So I think if we had walkways that went through the woods closer to the golf course, I think Of course isn't going to be too pleased about that consider there But yeah, I understand And then I think Adam already talked about kind of the tree mitigation questions and considerations So I think that's it. Thank you. Thank you, Brett I don't again want to repeat what fellow colleagues and board members have said so I do agree with Pretty much everything that was set up here. I'm happy that the architect tackled the truss issue because It was on my mind, and I didn't really know how to tackle it. So Thank you Warren for that Before we get to thinking about a motion, I do want to address the Wall feature It's currently stuck over the stone cap and the applicants asked for some leeway on the non-visual areas to use a split face block And so I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on that real quick and then we can talk about a motion Henry I'm okay with that substitution Or Thank you. Yeah, I had heard some comments about Brett with it where there was a You have stone and you have stucco one idea is if you took non-split face just regular guard Brady CMU and Troubled over it then your stucco is still in and it's just a twofer I'm open to the third element. It's in the non-visual areas It's a little disjointed because it's nice to just have the two units But I'm I'm not here to trouble the vote Thank You Warren Adam preference I Prefer the cleaner look of the stucco, but I also think that the and keeping with the visual cohesion And simplification materials, but I do think the point about the the rosemary cascading over I think that That as long as it as that is an important aspect of it of just having some You know, you're you're softening and disguising it somewhat That can be a good good way So it's it's not going to be just the split face You know staring at you if it is softened with something kind of coming over it and it's you know It doesn't quite look that so you need it. It's no I don't it seems to me in the way that you were describing it Was it's not just, you know blank wall staring at you but having it be disguised somewhat or softened As long as that happens, that's good Thanks, Adam Ready any further comments on the wall? I know that you made your comment in your comment period. No further comments. Thank you I kind of like Adam's idea and if we went with the split face block you just have it incorporated that it's softened with landscape materials So I think sounds like we have a majority that's comfortable with either option as long as It's often okay, so we went a little bit out of school on purpose Because I'm the chair and we get to do that But we are looking for a preliminary design review approval And then we can talk about some of these items that everyone's made in their comments and how we make friendly amendments I'd like to make a motion approving the resolution of a preliminary and final review to staff of the emerald application Here emerald island condominiums with caveat of conditions added by design review and Wave the reading of the text and wave the reading of the text. Yes I'll second Great. We had a motion for preliminary design review with final to staff and we have a second So we can start discussion And we can talk about friendly amendments I Can kind of go through real quickly. I'm just gonna recap what I heard And it's in no order of importance or mention So I think that we could sum up the tree pallet by stating that a more creative pallet Replacing create murtles pistachion plums would be appreciated Taking some consideration to replacing the 250 trees with like by like in some fashion With valley oaks black oaks olives and bays Let's see darker colors for the Mainly the trim areas or is it in all colors? Trim in the windows to make it blend more a into the landscape and treescape And also soften the be should I animate the end walls with more windows In the buildings and and floors that can't accept those I think the the truss Challenge if you will I'll let Warren craft something for that one Consider a kettle stone instead of the El Dorado stone Consider bitches and other Commiserate area in the back entry areas To the buildings because they're kind of just walk-throughs and be nice for as a gathering spot Increase the width of the column elements and address the batters of the base of the columns either Create more of them with the other columns or potentially do away with in widening the width And look for more pedestrian connectivity from the buildings one five and seven to the amenity areas I know the site plans locked in is just a consider And then I think again we will add something with the alternate wall split face block style for non-visual areas that are softened by landscaping and I didn't hear any comments about the fencing along the golf course and its design if it's if anyone has any comments on that was address them and The applicant has asked for some leeway and adding as the neighbors Negotiate with them some more of that fencing So that's what I had if I miss something please chime in But I'd like it to be considered that eliminating some of the horizontal banding in The three-story elements like where you've got the stucco on the lower most lower element grounding and then you've got Board and bat sighting that goes two-story in height that in some cases that horizontal banding is not not necessary or might look Less Layered cake-looking if some of that horizontal banding was eliminated Thank you, Henry. Yeah. Yeah, just to articulate and I like that Comments that the word integration is it can be so cut up with the banding that just by Allowing the sighting to go through I think there's a comment about horizontal and vertical sighting That was that was mentioned earlier, and there's a consistency Here was my comment about this gabling. I just said Revisit central Gable Trust features to integrate more with columns and eaves and to be of lower stature Roll through me one more time. Okay Revisit central gable trust. I'll say elements lower to integrate more With The columns and eaves I've talked about this this idea that the the trusses are actually sitting on a column. They're not forward of it The word integration is that they're going to they're going to actually rest On top of a vertical form. Okay? Thank you Adam Just to clarify one of the bullet points was About the pass-throughs and warrants concept about the pass-throughs and more place making in this I didn't quite hear it. I just want to make yeah, that's it was said a bit differently. I like the word place making. Thank you Yeah, okay. Okay. Cool. Thanks Any other items that I overlooked? Okay, so we've got a motion or in a second. So and I'm the chair so sorry bill Just if I could get a clarification on some of those I think towards the end It was specified that they were considers Or revisit can you go through maybe one through Six or seven are those considers? Yeah, I think we'll let's get to that with the friendly amendment. Um, so That means with the friendly amendment. It's either adam or henry taking the rain on the friendly amendments So I I'll recap them but one of you is going to have to say yep I would appreciate a recap. Yes, thank you Scott okay, so Maybe as we go through we kind of all look at the board members to say if it's a shower or a consider So the first one is Use more of creative tree Species in regard to crepe myrtle pistachio and plums where appropriate and is that a shall or a consider? Okay, consider Okay, and then in regard to replacement of the 250 trees Use of valley oaks black oaks olive and bailey bays And that's a shall I'm guessing Is the applicant okay with shall I mean it No, it's just uh, it's just that The of the 240 I guess it is right the 240 trees That they were those weren't replaced like by like they're replaced with other species And so I don't you know, we should probably qualify whether you want if there was 10 olives if you want 10 olives back, or do you just want 10 Um Not necessarily one for one and also I think that the thought on coast live oaks Um So it doesn't have to be one for one, but I think species, you know the coastline you could do other oak for coastline Possibly, uh, I could suggest that we're going to increase the palette to have more of the native species in the tree planting Concept always the concept Before the fire would be that the natives were below the buildings And that up around the buildings be more likely to go to more ornamental type species So I I'd hate to just go to the whole palette being the native species Sure, um, but the I think the increasing the Amount of natives In the 240 species is what we're Right, and I think it's more the thing that I'm most concerned is that the Natives that are being removed are not being replaced in kind And so if there's a percentage that we can apply to it great, um, or that staff is aware of this and they're okay with You know, whatever that mix ends up coming but they're In my opinion there should be Almost an in kind Replacement, excuse me Not one for one, but the trees that are being removed in those species need to be on the list. Um, and they need to be um They need to be replaced and mitigated per, you know, the city standards, you know, so if the in Staff can continue to work with apocon for that. So Right, I feel confident that staff understands the intention of the design review board with regard to Increasing the variety of tree species and we can audit and review a revised proposal by the applicant successfully Okay, and and yeah the in terms of increase in the diversity of just the species that are on the the Catalog by the arborist have those Um indicated on the the plant correct, right sure And it sounded to me naturally like some of those trees that were there and are being removed weren't really thriving in those locations anyway, so obviously that They don't want to go back in those locations I would I if I was to question one of the trees that's been suggested it would be the base Thank you. I'd like actually not like those in that palette Oh, uh reasoning I mean I'm interested in hearing why but It's difficult to find in nurseries would be one of the hard things with bay trees. Um, but How about we look at it as If there's a percentage that we use of these trees That bays could be incorporated as long as it's more like five of them not 50 of them, you know, they're just I'm not I don't believe I've ever put them into a palette If they're available, that's great. I haven't I'm not sure I know the black oaks will be difficult, but they they're available. Yep. Um The black eyes will be difficult, but they are available. Yeah, I know they cal floor nursery has All those species and okay. Well, let's just leave it in they do grow them But let's leave it in but again this I think can we can go along with uh staff's Advice and guidance. I think they've got a handle on that Henry you had an opinion on bays. Well, yeah, I do only from um I had a landscape architect come by and suggest that I removed the bays that were near my house before it got fire not that it would have saved my house but The the given the fuel the high oil content of the bays I I'd keep them away from the houses at least if you're going to plant them make sure they're 40 50 feet away from any of this housing development I guess the one thing I should point out. They're also carriers or they're ladder for um sudden oak down Yeah, so no, of course, um, but you know, there are plenty other ones on here too that that are carries well Okay, it also depends on how they're maintained and men pruned and where they're planted to Um, so in terms of fire safety, so I've got starts all around my house if anyone wants them I can give you a five gallon or Start the bay the bay. Yes, you can eat seedlings talk to Warren. I just talked to me All right, so it sounds like the bay is stamped and they don't have to be pluriferant, but they'll be there Um, okay, so uh darker hues on the uh trim and vinyl window frames animate the end walls with more windows Revisit the central gable truss elements Lowering them to integrate with the columns and the eaves And make them more like a standard truss element And and I think that's a shower Yeah Yeah, that's a blurry word Let's let's use uh shower And and I think we'll use shower on the uh color palette as well And then um consider kettle stone For the stone veneer as opposed to the el dorado consider making uh placemaking areas at the back of the entries that will be not as much used for pass-throughs consider increasing the width of the column elements And in doing so address the batters of the base of the columns either increasing the frequency of them and throughout or Eliminating them with the increased width of the columns Consider looking for more pedestrian connectivity from buildings one five and seven to the amenity areas Consider eliminating the horizontal banding on the three-story elements Which would include board and bat elements And then the board is accepting of an alternate to the stucco wall using split-faced block with being softened by landscaping And I didn't hear any further comments on the property line fencing. So the design stands as presented and The applicant is free to Add more as needed to make the neighboring property owners happy that people won't be infiltrating their property lines anything else staff okay with The catalog of the friendly amendments and sounds like the applicants. Okay with the friendly amendments. So Oh, Henry yet something else. No, okay Who's taking it? Sounds good to me. Yes You'd like to make a friendly amendment. I'd like to make a friendly amendment with the language at you Which I had a chair concave previously spoke How many items do we have Yeah, which would they would check all this stuff Got approximately 12. Okay, excellent So we've got a motion on the table a second and friendly amendments with the approximate 12 Applicant So this is for preliminary Design review with final to be approved by staff Correct based on these us following these considerations and the one that's the mandatory one as far Yeah, we're okay with it correct Clarification on the trusses. Is that a consider a shell? I believe we end up with a shower and the windows on the side elevations I think that's a shower as well windows on the side elevations shall Thank you for the clarification robert Okay with that if staff is comfortable with the friendly amendment The friendly amendment is good. We just need it to be accepted by the original motion maker correct. Got you So a friendly amendment accepted warrant And does second accept the friendly amendment? Yes All right, then we are all well Roll call patty According brock I Sharon I Wicks I Hedge path I Kinkade I Motion passed I think there's five of us five oh And appreciate the project so let's go out and get it built Thanks for the new use that's good. Yeah, that's great great project Okay item number seven board member reports. Do we have any board member reports this evening? Seeing none Number eight department reports No reports this evening says bill and Brett you good, okay Okay, and with that we will adjourn