 Assalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wa barakatuh and welcome on this special celebratory edition of Live in London. We'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate you and send our congratulations to you and your family and also the Imam of our time on this auspicious occasion of the Holadah of Sayyid Zaynab AS. On today's show, we'll have our discussion. Later, we'll be joined by a special guest, Sayyid Haider Jizani to hear his beautiful voice and some recitation on Sayyid Zaynab. And also, we have a competition that we are running throughout today's show. For your chance to win a special prize, tell us the answer to this question. Name another name or a title for Sayyid Zaynab. A name or a title associated to Sayyid Zaynab contact us on 0203 515 0199 which is your answer for you to have a chance to win this prize. It's right in front of me if you can see it. It's actually from Karbala. It's a marble piece, part of the shrine of Aba Abd al-Hussain. Make sure you give your answers in to the telephone line and make sure that you participate, call, and also you can get us on the WhatsApp with your answers. Sayyid Zaynab was born in the 50th year of Hijra in Medina. She grew up to be one of the greatest and most memorable humanitarians and social reformists that the Arabs have ever seen. Her sermon in Kulfa and in Damascus showed the display of knowledge and eloquence none had seen before. But it wasn't a surprise to people like us for we know her father is Amir al-Mu'mineen Ali ibn Abi Talib and we know her mother is Sayyid al-Nisaali al-Alamin, Tufaat al-Masudahra, alaihi salam. But what impact did these two have as parents under the young Sayyid Zaynab? Sayyid Zaynab as a child, what did she learn and what did she teach that she grew up to become this warrior of words and what can we take from her legacy that she has left behind? Let us discuss with Sayyid Ahmad al-Shurrani. Alhamdulillah, very well, congratulations to everybody on this auspicious occasion. The birth of the Lady of Light. May Allah bless all of you and bless you all too. Go to her Ziyarah soon, inshaAllah. Let's kick off with the child of Sayyid Zaynab and the relationship she had with her grandfather, her father, her mother, her brothers. What was it like for a young Sayyid Zaynab? It's not the easiest childhood that anyone's ever going to have and that's something which I think many people need to realize that I think sometimes we think Ahlul Bayt, alaihi salam, went through easy periods in their life where there weren't many tests, there weren't many trials or tribulations. The reality is when you look at the life of Sayyid Zaynab, alaihi salam she literally becomes an orphan at the age of five. You've got a very close relationship between herself and Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, alaihi salam and this relationship can be seen in a few of the anecdotes which discuss the relationship between the father and the daughter. One famous anecdote being when the Imam is teaching her, for example, how to count and there's this beautiful relationship that exists between the two of them and he says to her, you know Zaynab say one she says one and then he says to her say two and she continues to say one and he says to her, no say two and she says one and he says to her well why don't you say two and she says the house where we are taught to say there is only one we're not used to saying two. So already there's a wonderful relationship between her father and herself on another occasion her father really teaches us about how you know there should be a softness with one's daughter there are many fathers in the world today who have a softness for their daughter but then there are some fathers who prefer that the tribal value or the tribal customs or the cultural customs override for example their love and their warmth for their daughters today you find for example some fathers who claim to be Muslims who will turn around and say that we will not allow our daughters for example to go and study at college or study at university or to find a job in the public sphere and the sadness is that these people claim to follow a man like Imam Ali Netaib a.s. who had a very soft and tender approach with his beloved daughter so you find on one occasion he says to her he says to her Zaynab who do you love she says daddy I love you then he says to her and who else do you love she said daddy I love Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala then he says to her you cannot have two loves in one heart she says daddy because of people like you I love Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala so you see at that tender young age there is this relationship between the father and the daughter wonderful relationship and even with her mother you notice at that young age there is a lot to be learned from her mother the spiritual aspect as in after her mother dies when Imam Ali Netaib a.s. narrated to have returned home the moment he comes back home he notices that while the house is in a state of sadness it's quiet he looks around the house until he finds Zaynab on the prayer mat of her mother saying that this is where I used to be sitting next to my mother when she was alive in the middle of the night Fadr al-Zahra a.s. was known to be awake during the night and so she learns this from her mother there is the political aspect as well which she gets from her mother where we find the famous sermon that she was alive at the time the sermon known as the kia and it's no surprise later on when we see the sermon that takes place in the land of Sham it's no surprise what so ever when you know that Zaynab was brought up having seen the eloquence of Fadr al-Zahra a.s. the bravery of Fadr al-Zahra a.s. so there is a real closeness between Fadr al-Zahra a.s. and say the Zaynab Imam Ameer al-Nuiyan say the Zaynab father daughter mother daughter relationship but was it an easy childhood some people will make you think well you know what do Ahlulbayt go through the same trials we do if I've lost my father at a young age for example have any members of the Ahlulbayt gone through this difficult period look at say the Zaynab a.s. five years of age she becomes an orphan her mother when she passes away it's a very difficult period in that household don't imagine that say the Zaynab was brought up in the lap of luxury yes if you're around Imam Ameer al-Nuiyan no doubt that is a form of a lap of luxury but on the other hand every girl yearns to have their mother's presence to lose your mother at that young age and to recover from that loss there are many who may grow up as orphans her grandfather grew up as an orphan but he recovered from that loss and his last test is not having the loss but rather can you recover can you maintain the principles of those who raised you in the midst of adversity so you find that she recovers having seen the death of her mother she recovers in her childhood but without a doubt her father plays a pivotal role in giving her that strength and compassion in those difficult times insight for very nice but today you mentioned the relationship between the fathers and their daughters if we want our daughters to become modern day Zaynabs how should our parents what should the parents be teaching their children how should they be raising them well I think I have to give credit to the fact that a lot of the parents in the western world have done an amazing job anyway with their with their daughters I think there's always this impression that the parents in the western world have not lived up to the expectations of what Ahlul Bayt wanted alayhum salam however when I look around when I travel for example whether it is in England or in America or for example in Canada Australia our daughters have done an amazing job in preserving the legacy of Zaynab alayhi salam in different ways we sometimes are our worst critics in our community we love to try and find ways of attacking the members of our community whereas on the contrary if you look around at for example Ahlul Bayt societies in this country university societies that are named after the Ahlul Bayt look how many of our sisters present Zaynab alayhi salam by organizing lectures organizing seminars organizing programs where knowledge is gained as in what is living the legacy of Zaynab alayhi salam but to ensure that the legacy and the heritage of the Prophet peace be upon him and his family and the Quran is preserved in society if I look in this country whether you travel from for example London and you go towards you know you go up north you find that we have preserved the legacy of Zaynab alayhi salam in the most amazing way in Canada for example I lectured in the Afghani community in Canada and amongst the organizers who had invited me was one of the ladies of the community already they're doing a magnificent job trying to preserve the teachings of the Ahlul Bayt alayhi salam likewise you have for example in Australia many of the programs we have in Muharram in the English language you'll find that the MC of the program in many cases is somebody who is representing Zaynab alayhi salam with her social modesty with her knowledge with her physical modesty and so wherever we're looking at the moment I think we're doing a great job in preserving that legacy when it comes to for example an issue of oppression in the society I think we find that some of our sisters have spoken out against the injustices and demonstrated against injustices a lot more than our brothers when it comes to gaining knowledge in the mosques a lot of our sisters are double and sometimes triple the attendance as the brothers in terms of their passion and their commitment to learning so when a person tells me how can we the first answer I'm gonna give is by saying we already are doing a brilliant job believe you me there are sisters in the West who are more knowledgeable about the Ahlul Bayt alayhi salam than their cousins in the Middle East for example there are some whose hijab is even better than their cousins in the Middle East for example or their cousins in India or in Pakistan for example so already a lot of the sisters are preserving that legacy be it in the spreading of knowledge dissemination of knowledge be it in being politically active be it in serving the community many of our sisters are doing amazing work on all these fronts yeah excellent say it say the Zaynab is known as Alima Ghayd Mu'allim and Fahima Ghayd Mufahim what do these mean but what are they trying to indicate and describe about say the Zaynab yeah these are the famous words of Imam Zayn al-Aabideen alayhi salam Imam Zayn al-Aabideen in his praise of say the Zaynab his auntie said in the famous lines Amma Zaynab auntie Alima Ghayd Mu'allim Fahima Ghayd Mufahim my auntie Zaynab you are learned without having been taught and a scholar without requiring explanation these are very deep lines from Imam Zayn al-Aabideen alayhi salam I personally believe the greatest accolade ever given to say the Zaynab alayhi salam was these lines from Imam Zayn al-Aabideen alayhi salam that my auntie Zaynab you are learned without having been taught someone asked the question how can someone be learned without having been taught and the scholars have all tried in their own way to try and understand what is the meaning of these words from Imam Zayn al-Aabideen alayhi salam what is the Imam intent on saying we know that even the Imams of Ahl al-Bayt Alim al-Salam there were certain things the Imams learned from the previous Imam there are other things the Imams acquired from inspiration from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala you see you have two forms of knowledge maybe there are other forms which we can discuss on another occasion but there are two forms of knowledge when it comes to the Imams of Ahl al-Bayt al-Alim al-Salam one form of knowledge is what is for example acquiring let's say Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib alayhi salam says to Imam al-Hassan the heart of a youth is like an uncultivated piece of land whatever I throw on it whatever you throw on it it accepts therefore you try to make sure that I mold your heart before it hardened so you learned from my example and applied them into your life Imam Ali alayhi salam would give many lessons, would give many examples would give many pieces of wisdom to Imam al-Hassan alayhi salam Imam al-Hassan alayhi salam would also give towards Imam al-Hussain we talk of this type of knowledge as Qasb this type of knowledge an Imam inherits another Imam and that one Imam passes it on to the other then there is a second form of knowledge and that is when you receive inspiration from Allah subhanu wa ta'ala because the amount of obedience you have shown Allah Allah subhanu wa ta'ala becomes what becomes the voice by which you speak the ears by which you hear you know there are many of these traditions which are known as in many of our circles we call them hadith qutsi hadith qutsi what is it hadith qutsi is a tradition which shows us Allah subhanu wa ta'ala words outside of the holy Quran when you say Allah subhanu wa ta'ala words outside of the holy Quran what are we meaning we're meaning that many people will take the verses from the holy Quran and these are the words of Allah there are also narrations of Allah subhanu wa ta'ala which are not in the holy Quran the conversation with Moses you could say for example so you have some of these traditions will mention that God's saying my servant I am the one who says to something be and it will be obey me in what I have ordered you and I will say allow you to say to something be and it will be poor obey me in what I have ordered you I will make you rich and never becoming poor you find therefore that on this level of knowledge Allah subhanu wa ta'ala will inspire that creation and that inspiration is because of their obedience to Allah subhanu wa ta'ala therefore they reach a level where that person when they speak it's Allah subhanu wa ta'ala's inspiration behind their words and so when Imam Zain al-Abideen describes his auntie Zainan he's saying that you are a scholar yes you are learned without having been taught there were certain things that she acquired from the imams around her no doubt from Imam al-Hussain from Imam al-Hassan from Imam there are things that she acquired knowledge from them but you can also get to a stage where Allah subhanu wa ta'ala inspire you you look at that sermon in Sham that sermon in Sham is not something anyone can just pull off you would have had to have been raised in the house of purity the house of knowledge and then after that not just the house of purity and knowledge but also Allah subhanu wa ta'ala begins to inspire you to have that knowledge at that moment at the same time fahima ghayru mufahama she's able to understand not just the world of knowledge but understand every situation at every moment the depths of that situation she's able to maintain her discipline at all times that again comes from a certain form of knowledge that is given to her and that form of knowledge that's given to her she's seen trials and tribulations where she's seen the way her parents understood that trial the way her brother Imam al-Hassan understood his trial so you found that whenever she would see an issue she'd be able to understand it without requiring anyone else to explain the issue to her fantastic Sayyidina without a doubt Sayyidina was known as one of the most knowledgeable women in her time are there any notable knowledgeable women that we have in Shia history there are many who are inspired by Sayyidina but I don't think they get the credit they deserve in our community sadly we've had many great female scholars of the religion of Islam and sadly in my opinion they've been left behind the scenes they hardly get any mention fine for example in Iran in the last 100 years there were two famous Mujtahedas Nusrat Amin and Zahra Sofati these are famous Mujtahedas in Iran these are ladies who reached the highest level of knowledge in Iran in the seminary where they actually reached the level where they were giving a jazaz nobody mentions their knowledge no one discusses it it's as if when they achieved great knowledge in Islam all of them get the mention I remember Shahid Al Awal the author of the Luma Al Dimashqiya we know very well that nobody can become a Mujtahed unless they study the Luma Al Dimashqiya Shahid Al Awal amongst the backbones in his life was his wife Um Ali and their daughter Fatima the wife Um Ali and the daughter Fatima were amongst the most learned female scholars in the history of the religion of Islam and I shouldn't say female scholars amongst the most learned scholars in the history of the religion but sadly you don't see anyone mentioning them you find for example Muhammad Taqimajlisi had a daughter by the name of Amina married to Ayatollah Maazan Darani and yet you find nobody mentions that this daughter was amongst the greatest scholars in the history of Ahlul Muhammad so you've got within the history of the school of Ahlul Bayt many ladies who were inspired by Sayyid al Zaynab to reach those highest levels of knowledge sadly in our communities we don't praise the ladies who have reached the highest levels of knowledge we don't write their biographies the biographies of the narrators mind you even the wives of the imams of Ahlul Bayt such as Hamid so much knowledge hardly ever discussed but so when you find for example you know the likes of Shahid al Awal's wife his daughter, Ayatollah Maazan Darani's wife the likes of Nusrat Ameen and others these are amazing scholars who were inspired by Sayyid al Zaynab but sadly do not get the mention they deserve so why can't these ladies become mergers what are the scientific issues and rulings from them I think there's a social problem why they cannot become a merger and I personally don't have an issue with it when I'm looking at the arguments for why a woman cannot become a merger I must admit the arguments to me when I read them of the respected ulama I must admit when I look at some of those I think to myself that these are arguments the backdrop of them is really a Middle Eastern world view on a woman I remember the great scholar Shamsuddin of Lebanon has a fantastic discussion on a woman becoming a merger we know the difference between a mojtahid and a merger every merger is a mojtahid but not every mojtahid is a merger for example has finished the seminary levels known as al-mukadna mat al-sutuh and baht al-kharij and amongst the top scholars of the time may have given that person an ijaza of ijtihad a woman and a man in Islam can both become mojtahids indeed the man would be the mojtahid and the woman would be mojtahida so for example when we mentioned Nusrat Ameen Zahra Sofati these are mojtahidas someone asked well why can't they become maraja why is it when we look at the list of the maraja we have in the school of ahl al-bayt that list is mainly composed of males so for example if you look at the names let's say ayatullah muhsin al-hakeem ayatullah muhammad baqir al-sadr ayatullah al-khomeini ayatullah al-khoy ayatullah sistani males are you telling me that there are no females at that level in naja foqum because we know very well if i've got a legal issue a corporate legal issue or an issue on human rights or immigration law in london when i go to see the top barrister or in america the top lawyer i don't care if they're a man or a woman i just want them to in the case when i for example have an issue with my accounts i don't care if you're a male accountant or a female accountant i just want you to resolve my accounts or that my accounts find me as many loopholes as possible in my accounts if for example when i'm looking at going to the top hospital in london and say that my sibling or my wife for example has got an issue what am i going to do do i care if a woman or a man is the chief consultant and that situation i need one of them to help why is it that rationally if you look at the path of the rationals in the world today when we go for the person of the top field we don't care if it's a male or female but when it comes to the muslim world when it comes to the mufti or the qadi or the chief judge or the marja it always has to be a male because it's certain arguments some said for example if you look within the holy Quran Allah SWT says men are qawamun over women now this word qawamun some tried to argue qawamun means authority so men have authority over women so they said if Allah SWT says authority over women what does that mean that means that men have to always be the top because Allah has said in the Quran that qawamun shamsuddin replies interestingly by saying qawamun doesn't necessarily mean authority qawamun means they are the ones who protect or maintain the women because the financial obligation on them is they have to maintain their wives as you know in Islam a woman does not have to work in Islam a woman does not have to work and even whatever she earns from working goes to her there is no obligation on her for her to have to work we know very well that the man is the one who has to maintain so shamsuddin replies by saying something interesting he says that if you are saying now that a woman cannot become a marja because the Quran says al-rijal qawamun al-nisa but al-rijal qawamun doesn't mean authority qawamun means maintainers men are to maintain their wives what that got to do with authority that's number one a second argument is that some of them said that there is a tradition within and that tradition says that the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him his family said whoever leaves their affairs in the hands of a woman which nation leaves its affairs in the hands of a woman that nation will perish now some said look if the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him his family said if a nation leaves its affairs in the hands of a woman that nation will perish that means a woman can never ever be the highest authority again what's the reply that can be there and the reply is very clear that was in reference to the daughter of Kisra the king of Persia who had ruined her dad's kingdom so when the prophet said you leave the nation in the hands of a woman that's contextual not absolute then there was a third argument that Imam al-sadaq al-salam sometimes would say any of the legal issues that you have take it to one of our men so the person turned around and said some of the Marajah said if Imam al-sadaq says when you have a legal issue take it to one of our men that means only men can answer legal issues now I ask you said Muhsin when Imam al-sadaq says take one of our legal issues to one of our men does he literally mean to a man or what could he mean take it to one of our general people to one of our people our people means what so therefore when a person says that Imam al-sadaq says in his hadith that if you have a certain issue take it to one of our men doesn't necessarily mean take it to literally a man take it to one of the people of knowledge therefore these were the arguments that were normally given and then some said well a woman cannot be in the middle of men how is she going to become a Marja to go and visit her as men and when we visit her as men if the Marja as a woman there's going to be a problem firstly even when the Marja as a man you can just about get to visit him secondly even if the Marja as a woman are you telling me that in your daily life you have no way of interacting with the woman with respect and with modesty or is it that the man's mind is always going towards a direction that how can I sit alone with a woman if that woman is a lady of knowledge she's a lawyer accountant someone in finance I'm having a normal discussion with them let alone someone who will be the height of God consciousness and then how did say the Khadija herself have discussions in the world of business in Mecca how did Fatah al-Zahra alaihi salam come out on the event of Mubaha when the Quran said your son, your wife your wife the Quran said on the day of Mubaha let Fatah al-Zahra alaihi salam and so when Fatah al-Zahra alaihi salam came to meet the christians couldn't God have said that a woman should never be around men a woman should be staying in the household indeed so when a person today says yes the woman can become Mujtahidas but not Maraja all of the arguments are Middle Eastern centric arguments what do I mean by that if a lot of these conclusions are being reached by Najaf and Qom then yes Najaf and Qom has only seen women in one perspective in some cases that woman's face has never been shown in her life in other cases she's got no chance of working if she comes from one of the most religious families in Najaf or Qom the idea of going out and becoming one day a lawyer or a banker when your dad's a Marja is impossible I think one percent of a Marja's conclusion on these issues is definitely their childhood or definitely the world which they lived around so today when someone saying well woman should never be able to become Maraja the woman should only be a Mujtahid or a Mujtahidah I think those arguments can easily be replied back to say that say that Zaynab was known for giving lessons in our own house do you feel today in our community such a tradition is neglected and people really associate knowledge with the mosque and the Hausa and that's what you should belong there's no need for any education in the household No I think knowledge is encouraging our households a great deal and I think if you're looking at many of the cities where you have the members of Ahlul Bayt a.s I think the woman gather together on a weekly basis to gain knowledge in the world of Quran in the world of Hadith in the world of theology in the world of history I believe that say that Zaynab's legacy of giving classes and lessons and houses has been maintained brilliantly by our communities as in wherever I go in the world I always hear that the ladies are doing I hear that the ladies are the first to sign up for night courses on Islam, tafsir classes I hear that the ladies are always gathering together to gain knowledge so I don't think we've really neglected it I do certainly however hope that the generation that's under I would say 35 I do hope they can try and gather together as much as possible and not just rely on the mosques to do the programs yes it's great if the mosques have a program but try once a month to try and gather everyone together sometimes the gathering is not just about gaining knowledge it's also to bring that sense of wilaya with one another not wilaya, wilaya wilaya is the authority of Ahlul Bayt wilaya is the love to be shown by the lovers of Ahlul Bayt with one another and I think that age group under 35 I know sometimes it's difficult when you go to the mosques and some of the mosques are very traditional in their outlook but that shouldn't stop you gathering together my first lectures over 17 years ago were in gatherings and houses yeah gatherings and houses gatherings in the back of garages, sheds you know you might see it today and you may see big gatherings mosques and so on but we all started somewhere where we had a camaraderie amongst each other humble beginnings so I think that we should praise a lot of our sisters and a lot of our mothers who's yearning for knowledge is unbelievable but at the same time let's try and make sure that we try and gather on a regular basis and not only rely on the mosques we encourage our whole community to have small gatherings in their houses to increase the love of the Ahlul Bayt Sayyidina Isma Sughra what is it and can we achieve it or is it exclusive to certain people only Yeah, Isma Sughra is normally something which is mentioned in relation to Sayyidina Asalaam that you've got the classic definition of Isma infallability where a person who has the ability to commit a sin chooses not to because of their respect of God and the recognition of the consequences of the act and in Shiazim we are of the belief that the infallibles or the error-free are the prophets and the imams of Ahlul Bayt some mention that there are certain personalities who can reach a minor level of Isma imagine now you have a marja who you respect very highly that marja who you respect very highly if someone said to you I saw him do this your first reaction will be no way if they were to mention something negative about him your first reaction would be no way because you've in a way afforded a certain level of infallibility to them because of their obedience and respect of Allah SWT likewise when people come to define Isma al-Sughra Isma al-Sughra what is the definition the definition is that there are certain people because of their obedience to Allah SWT Allah bestows upon them a grace where he protects them from the world of sin and Sayyida Zaynab AS Abal Fadl are of those who reached a level in their life where you could tell that their words became the Quran only their actions became the Quran you know they were a reflection of the Quran and of the sunnah of the Prophet peace be upon his family in every single thing that they did so therefore when someone saying Isma al-Sughra the difference between the main concept of infallibility that one for example is showered upon that personality in some cases from the beginning of their life it's mentioned for example and some of the theologians say well if Isma is bestowed with Isma from the beginning where he says likewise the prophets of God as well and so those prophets and those imams would have it bestowed upon them by God because of their mission but Isma al-Sughra you'll find that this could be something which is bestowed upon certain personalities later in their lives because of their continuous obedience to Allah and we mentioned Hadith Al-Qudsi that I am the one who says to something be and it will be obey me in what I've ordered you I'll make you say to something be and it will be Excellent Zaynah Zaynah I do believe you were on some travels recently and you just come back and it's in relation to Zaynah could you please comment on your experience and how was it for you it was a great honor to be to visit the shrine of Zaynah it's been 6 years since I visited the shrine and we all know sadly of the wars that have taken place in the Middle East in that period but Alhamdulillah I was honored to visit the shrine and there was a sense of real sadness alongside that joy very eerie feeling knowing that you are in an area where you lost innocent lives you lost many good people and also when you are looking around you and you see rubble and you see concrete broken everywhere roads broken you see for example orphans widows people who had no medical supplies whatsoever because when I went I went in my position as the ambassador and the Zahra trust its main aim was to try and look after the medical needs of orphans and widows at the moment in that area and believe you me the number of displaced orphans and widows around the shrine of Zaynah is something unbelievable believe you me it breaks the heart but the shrine itself is in good condition and at the same time we went to the grave of Sayyid al-Ruqaiyya alaihi s-salam and that's still in great condition and I had the honor of going inside the Dariah and it really is a touching feeling and I hope that in the near future things will be safer for all I can't really say at this moment that it's safe some might want me to say that it's safe but I can't say that it's safe at the moment but I pray to Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala that in the near future it will be safer for everybody to be able to visit and insha'Allah this time next year we can celebrate the will of Sayyid al-Zaynab next to her grave insha'Allah insha'Allah we're going to take a short break now insha'Allah after the break we'll be joined by our special guest Sayyid Haider Dizani who will bless us with his voice on this celebratory occasion this auspicious occasion of Sayyid al-Zaynab As-salamu alaykum Jamaal al-Murtaza hurifat haa muhjah al-subtain wa al-zahra hiya muhjah al-subtain wa al-zahra hiya kulqihah wa jamalihah kaal mustafah hiya kawthar ahsan wal hiya uhtuman hiya uhtuman malak al-firah wa ma'uhu thuman malak al-firah wa ma'uhu thumman malak al-firah ma'uhu laaa Muhammad Al-Muahaaa ladies and gentlemen welcome back and as you can see I am joined by our special guest the Green Eyed Beauty Sayyid Al-Zayn� As-Salaamu Alaykum it is a pleasure to be here and especially amongst the beautiful Sayyid himself and of course another Sayyid which is Noah database this is a quick reminder to all of you making calls for the competition and the question for the competition is name, another name or a title for Saydez Zaynab. Any name or title attributed to Saydez Zaynab and please contact us on 0203 515 0199 for your chance to win the prize which will be and the winner will be announced later on this evening towards the end of the show. Saydez Zaynab, how are you? I love Saydez. You're beautiful as always, masha'Allah. Saydez, tell us what Saydez Zaynab means to you, how she inspires you, how she inspires you to write poetry, inspires you to gain knowledge, to help in our community. Well I say the Saydez Zaynab is a lot more than a simple question and a simple answer. She's nothing that you can think of within, you know, 10 seconds I've given me a warning and you're going to hear a question like that. But Saydez Zaynab inspires us all, to be honest, through her love to her brothers, through her service to her brothers, through the loyalty, the patience she she's shown and everything that you need in a day-to-day life I think mirrors of her actions and from her reflection. So I mean Saydez Zaynab, of course, is an inspiration more than just a few words can say. Alhamdulillah, we have been blessed by Allah SWT for such a beautiful light that shines from her to all of Shi'at Amir al-Mu'mineen and Alhamdulillah, we have been blessed to celebrate her birth in such a day. We have also been blessed by Allah SWT for a beautiful voice which you have bestowed us with. Can you please recite something for us please? Saydez Zaynab, you are the light that shines from Hussain to Al-Bahas, Saydez Zaynab, it's of heaven with your Shafa'ah, any test I'll pass, give us your blessings oh, love of Ali Zaynab. When I ask up in my Qabur of family me and my family for your sake I beg you my Abbas is has that want to bless me and give me Shafa'ah on the day. Mashallah, As-Saint, As-Saint, Allahumma Salli Alam, Mu'mineen, Mu'mineen, Mu'mineen. Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah. Just like that. Okay, this is the last one, insha'Allah it's been written by Mu'mineen Nuri Sardar. Well, tell us a bit more about your recitation, tell us about how you got involved and how difficult is it to keep up with the mulu that comes year after year after year to get new material and to write new stuff. I mean of course it's inspiration from the emma, it's a blessing from Allah SWT to be a servant of the servants of Abba Abdullah Al-Hussain and what inspired me since the young kid was everything around me, Alhamdulillah, a father who his life revolves around the service of Imam Hussain and serving his servants and Alhamdulillah we had older people than us in our community as inspiration to us such as Sayyid Ammar since a very young age we used to listen to his lectures and Alhamdulillah we've been inspired by many in our community which uphold the service of Imam Hussain. Me being young growing up in this country there's a lot of easier routes for you to stray but you know it's the blessing of the Ahlul Bayt which keeps you together which keeps you in the line of Imam Hussain insha'Allah and you know these poems Alhamdulillah the poets provide you and sometimes you get like a sudden a sudden motion where you I never write poems but SubhanAllah today in the car I was writing as I don't write and drive but I was literally the poem I just recited I written in the car driving to here so you were driving and and writing and writing but you know these these these things they come as a blessing to you honestly and Alhamdulillah we have this kind of blessing for us Alhamdulillah would you be and that our clothes were outworn that to disperse so we can feel the safety of her generosity unit the high and mighty encompassed by Zainab and his beauty was born but here it is born again the conqueror of Haibar finds his victory with a a connection between them that no one can explain the mighty Ali Haidar made soft by his own daughter and like him she beams of might a second lady of light and his day and noon and night encompassed by Zainab that's it that's it say Zaini tell us how difficult is it sometimes to recited English for English is not a Middle Eastern language nor is it a language that has been touched by Islam the way you know we we we want it to help with the culture it doesn't have roots in the Middle East how have you come across those challenges how do you overcome those challenges well for me I started reciting Arabic only and some parts of Farsi and then English just kind of flowed through it's difficult to recite English with Arabic melodies but Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah but like being raised in the west you start to be familiar as where you are where you walk with the with the western kind of melodies and stuff like that you know what they what they expect so it comes out naturally I mean this particular poem that I know you read it it was written into a Arabic Latmiya kind of style or Anashid kind of style and you just kind of like flow along with the words like I literally done the melody on the spot but you see it and you just you just see how many syllables it carries and stuff like that and it just kind of connects hopefully it connects I mean you know English itself has is very important because now being inspired a lot of people they have they have it's very easy for them to listen to music it's very easy to them to you know something normal to turn on the radio listen to something so I think my advice to a lot of people and to myself as well is improve on the English make make English push forward and try to develop westernized tunes to suit to to to be like a bad deal to be like a comparison to to what they usually listen to but then they got it but it's in about a debate and it's a completely different style I said thank you very much thank you very much say that any final thoughts on today's discussion and also we know we'd love to mention that to the viewers if they can to go see say there's a little in Cairo there's also a Ziyara there so any final thoughts on that well firstly we're we're honored to have said Haidar Jayzani come join us and we're proud when we see the youth of London doing so well in different fields in the service of God and you know seeing said Haidar and his development you know it's a great source of pride for all of the lovers of Ahlul Bayt Alaykum As-Salam so God bless him and allow him to continue in his service and I think you know once again the main thing is for us when it comes to the Ahlul Bayt Alaykum As-Salam generally and say the Zaynab in particular is not just to treat them with emotion but to also build our intellect alongside their traditions and apply them into our life you know I think there are a lot of people who love say the Zaynab but maybe have never sat at home to read her sermons you know be it cool for be it shahm and maybe reflect upon the message within these sermons and the same goes with Imam al-Qusayn many people know he got killed on the 10th of Muharram and I think 90% of the Shi'a have never read one supplication that he recited on the 10th of Muharram so I would hope that looking at the knowledge of the Ahlul Bayt Alaykum As-Salam rather than just having the emotional attachment a nice balance is something we can take from a wonderful night like tonight. As-Salam Sayyed thank you very much I do believe that the lines are now close for our competition and we're just waiting for the technical team now to bring us some the winners and then inshallah we will do the prize draw on Facebook but for now we're going to have to end the show here a big congratulations to all of you on tonight's auspicious occasion and inshallah join us again on Friday as we continue our discussions on the Salat al-Hakuk with Dr. Ammar Naqshwani. As-Salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatuh