 Welcome to the end of the 21 Summit and this edition of Red Man Group. I'm Socrates and I'll be your host this afternoon for this particular special edition of Men and Masculinity today in today's culture. Today I have a great panel in front of me and beside me to go over some of the issues that we're seeing and collectively observing and so today I'm gonna start with the introductions. I'm gonna have the guys introduce themselves starting with AJ himself. You just want the name? Oh no, give me the rundown again. You want a whole rundown? Yeah, we're worried about what you've been doing. You've got some interesting stories. So for those who don't know, my name is Alexander Juan Antonio Cortez, popularly known as Ajek. I'm known as something like the Manuspear fitness writer and bro philosopher. Also the progenitor of Chattastan and general dime store philosophy as well. So hopefully that mostly covers it. You want more? No, that's fantastic. I mean you can shake your head. My name is Arthur Kwon Lee. I am a visual artist unfortunately based in New York City. I founded the Genesis Council and I am the artist of the Manuspear and Christians, young ins, all the deep thinkers on the right side of the aisle. I'm Socrates. I'm actually an architect in real life. Here, like AJ, a little bit of dime store philosophy, masculinity helping navigate today's sexual marketplace and culture and something I thoroughly enjoy and find much more rewarding than some of the professional architectural work that I think I could achieve within society. My name is Ian Smith. I am one of the co-owners of the Attila's Gym in Belmar along with my business partner Frank Trembetti. Twenty months ago we took on the belly of the Beast in New Jersey and kept our gym open during COVID and have ensued and been ensnared in a very nasty legal battle with one of the most powerful governors in the state of New Jersey and along the way we have become political activists and continue to do so to that day. My name is Ken Curry. I'm a marriage and family therapist out of Colorado and I do a lot of work with men and helping empower men and helping them to live the best lives that they can. All right, so I'm let's start off Ken with you. I know what the audience didn't see which was recorded is that we're actually having Jack Donovan sit on that left side of me and Ken Curry just kind of manhandled him out of it. I think was a high pressure sales, perversion, old man wit and let's let's take a 10,000 foot view. You're a licensed marriage and family therapist. What are you seeing going on in 2021 that has been evolved since the beginning of the pandemic and how has that kind of changed society and views of masculinity? Well, as far as I'm gosh, there's a number of things that you're talking about, you know, with how that's changed everything or I'm not sure how it's really pushed into masculinity. That's that's a tough one as far as how the pandemic has shifted that. I think what it's done is exposed that probably the whole culture is living out more of a mother energy of trying to make sure everybody's safe rather than everybody's strong. And I think that's a that's a really significant part of what's exposed with our culture. So what that looks like it's more of a feminine energy than a masculine energy. And so I think if it was if a masculine energy was running the show would be let's all lose 20 pounds. Let's get the best shape we can. Let's let's we're all going to face death together. If that happens, you know, let's don't shy back. Let's let's just get ourselves to a really strong place with more confidence rather than more nurture. And it feels like that that so that feels like that's a really big thing with how the pandemic's been operated. When you ask about feminine and masculine with the pandemic, I'm not sure if that answers your question. It goes I mean, we you and I have had conversations this week about vaccines, you know, and the the feminine nature of taking a vaccine to be safe, you know, where I think men are willing to face adversity, uncertainty, and, you know, with not knowing without taking a vaccine per se and looking at alternative therapy. So I think that that kind of answers a lot of it. Yeah, okay. And I'm going to move to you. You are quite literally at the brunt of this. You know, I sit down and say you're a man known for lifting heavy weights. But at this point, you were heavy lifting heavy cultural, social, kinetic elements very, very directly. And it's impacting not only your business livelihood and everything else. Tell us a little bit about that and how that you think quite honestly, our role model for a lot of men out there in the exemplar. I mean, you and I barely met. I was excited to be able to meet you and see you at a distance. I'm honored to have you literally on this panel. So can you speak to your role and how that's impacting masculine? Yeah, you know, to play off of what was just said, the pandemic truly exposed the skew in cultural and political energy that we have in this country. There's always a good balance to have between that nurturing, caring, feminine side and that assertive, protecting strength side of masculinity. You know, you want both of those in both politics and culture. And I think the pandemic really exposed the fact that we have we have skewed that quite a bit. And you know, when when Frank and I took the stand that we did and we decided to open our gym, we blew up into the mainstream and we became Attila itself became a cultural icon. It became a symbol of that lack of masculine energy that we're seeing where you had a group of people because it was certainly a group effort, a group of people standing strong and choosing that same idea to not be so concerned to still be concerned with safety, but be but prioritize strength and independence over those things. So that we're not playing from a defensive place all the time. And that's that's what the the public response to the quote unquote health crisis felt like. It felt like a very defensive public health strategy like we were sheltering in place when the better option would be to go out and weather the storm. So we became that for a lot of people and we embraced that because we saw that there was a lack of it. You know, when we started becoming political activists and not just at the gym, we were showing up at at protests for various political things and the first observation that we were able to make is that women outnumbered men at these things about nine to one and a woman's place is not on the front line of these battles. You know, the woman's job is not to protect society. She's there to nurture and to facilitate and to make society better, but she is not the one who is supposed to be at the perimeter, you know, protecting society from from physical threats or cultural threats. So we really worked once we noticed that we really worked on inspiring other men to find that because it's something that is I think inherently in each one of us, but because of the way that our culture has shifted over the past, call it 50 years, that has been suppressed and forgotten in a lot of men. Can you speak to just for a minute? You are not going to be the last this occurs. There are men that are going to face this in the coming days. What would be your advice to them as they face this directly as it comes home for them and that transition from living their life to becoming potentially a political activist in support of something beyond their daily lives? Embrace it. That's what you were born a man for. You know, that's that's what you were that's what you were created to do. You were created to protect you were created to be strong. So as scary as it can be and as unfair as it can be at times, when you learn to embrace that it's a noble thing and it's it feels good. It feels good down to the core of your soul. I'd like to transition that thought of a noble deed transition in your soul down to Arthur here who I've gotten to know over this week. I was a fan of his work previously but honestly understanding the man as art his philosophy getting to know why he does what he does and a little bit more about the artwork and the symbolism and the the nature and the value of the traditions that's embedded into his work I think is incredible and the fact that you are transitioning your career from New York City galleries where you anticipate you know this is where you would want good artists to go you know and come from and you're transitioning out of that and that is a conscious decision on your part and I would sit down and say that is an act of civil resistance. I think it's a it's a calling. I am just terribly impressed by somebody who's willing to chart a new course based on an ideology and a belief and pursue those values over one's income and status within society. Yeah it seems like the proliferation of the state is synonymous with masculine degeneracy and you know the further the you know even the art gallery like or feminism whatever it is these are all just arms of the state essentially and when you're saying to embrace it when it comes your way this is something that I think we need to learn to love this antithetical nature we need to take that side and you know learn to love the taste of blood we need to kind of you know we need a mean streak and we need to stop apologizing for our conservative predilections and that's the key at this stage. Yeah I just I just like to see more of your work. Yeah I appreciate it and what he just said about me that's a very very kind thing to say about my art. It's easy I mean if you've ever seen the work in public it's it's incredible I talked about my first time seeing Van Gogh and just the sheer depth of material that was applied to the medium your work has similar qualities. Yeah you know we on average you know people who have these traditional values you know what we're all fighting for here we make superior artistry as well and it boils on to the fact that they can't compete they can't compete with us so they're going to silence us and it's always that you know they're the source they're creating from is Anthony was talking about this whole perspective of bringing everything to zero right I can't remember what he called it but that is what's going on here because they want this relativity they're relativism and we believe in hierarchy and standards and that's a completely different worldview and that permeates aesthetically as well so I think everything you're dealing with with your German I mean it's funny because I was I was like you know we have something in common we're both on Antifa's list but I mean I'm lower on there you're you're a little bit higher up there but it's because if you are trying to influence towards the good you know then um the haters are gonna hate well yeah AJ let's move to you I know you've been doing a lot of traveling I've been living vicariously through some of your travels recently and you've recently relocated to florida's all right yes well what drove some of that I mean that that had to be profoundly deep obviously California is like just a gorgeous state having lived there myself California is beautiful I I would say California I think speaking personally it's the most beautiful state in the nation but I grew up there and I saw the slow and steady decline in loss of standards that comes with whatever you want called in-stage liberalism this commitment to folly this idea that we're not going to enforce expectations that we're going to take a very lack-daisical attitude how do we how we administrate and when standards decline you know multi-system levels it doesn't show up overnight it's not as if you know we wake up tomorrow all the world's in chaos everything's on fire but from year one to year two to year five to year 10 to year 15 you see you see everything steadily get worse and if you take a historical review of let's say the Soviet Union or any country that has gone through like a communist phase essentially they experience the same thing there's a takeover there's a build-up there's a shift in the social political discourse and policy and then over 10 20 30 40 years life just gets worse and then you go to a point where everyone is like how did this happen or or they know why it happened and people in power know why it happened but there's this mutual complicity and lying where we can't say what's actually true so we have to have this dance around each other and we have to try to use the discourse to you know use double speak it's a hellish way to live in california not not the entire state but the overall you know majority of the state i could see that happening i could see crime increasing i could see you know various social policies put in place where this isn't a felony this isn't going to be charged the the police are not going to come out if you call them we're going to ignore this and ignore this and ignore this we're just going to stop to keep me statistics on crime we're never going to release in publicly because if we did you know that'd be bad for us and you see this happening and there's that normalization though where it's like you know this this this is worse than last year but it's not that much worse and you keep telling yourself that over and over again this this is how tyranny becomes a stance how tyranny rises these people you just get them to accept it and you take away rights and you take away expectations slowly and slowly and slowly you know 10 years later where he lives in recognizable you know your concept of rights or civil rights or personal freedom it's all that's been destroyed it's been violated how that happened you allowed that to happen because you make these compromises you're not dealing with good actors you're not dealing with principled people you're dealing with people who will break the rules to their advantage and they will use them against you and they don't care what your position is they're already operating from a place of implicit moral superiority so yeah how are you going to deal with that you can move you can but then you also have to start taking steps to counteract that you have to mobilize you know a lot of what was talked about here at this conference was essentially a form of political activism if you are a man today and you are masculine and you believe in good in hierarchy and definitions and truth and you have standards you are an enemy of the state in a way you are someone that you're going to show up on a list or you're going to show up on it you know whether it be not do not fly or do not speak or don't let that person the building or you I heard you said some troubling things in a meeting they're going to use that kind of language you're going to be the enemy at some point and you have to be prepared to deal with that you know do you have personal sovereignty have you taken the steps to protect yourself are you even are you even thinking that way or are you going to be cough guard and essentially just get fucked where it's going to be job loss professional loss loss reputation and now you don't know how to respond your your your surprise has happened you have to be situationally aware yeah so they'll move from california I could try to stick it out there or I can move to since it was a red state a conservative friendly state I could mobilize you know my groups of men that I have and start creating some you know some counter-resistance and I can do that you know behind the scenes I can do that effectively and I'm not operating an environment where every single day I have to deal with this tyrannical fucking garbage where I look around like why do things operate this way why like I can't take it you know I don't have the ability to block out my environment to that level where I just pretend everything's okay and I can ignore it it drove me insane so I left and luckily this is a big country you have 50 options where you want to live we did and then answer the question yeah it's good did you get your dime store worth I do appreciate in florida welcomes you so Florida's great love Florida and you touched on some of the things really important I spoke at this conference about civil resistance and it's not just about civil resistance it's about cultural resistance uh and I think we're seeing that you know holy I think we're also seeing a degree of civil resistance because it's government directed you know when we talk about government mandates and so forth you know we're not elected or legislation was not passed you know there was no public discourse it was direction coercion I find that we have been culturally resisting for a while yeah I think uh gosh you're talking I think every one of us have something on the line when we speak um I'm I am not a political uh creature I don't uh follow a lot of that stuff I am out here to be able to um make each man as strong as he can be and I think I know and my passion is that I know that the world would be one hell of a better place if each man moved with integrity if each man moved according to what his values are and within his character and spoke and had presence and used his voice strongly and I think that's what I'm all about I'm not really all about you know the whole thing of civil disobedience or anything like that I just want men to be able to be strong and to use their voice and and to be powerful in the little sphere of influence that each one of us have that's what I think is a really really significant thing and I think for each one of us we all know this on up here on the panel we all know that there's pretty significant things at stake and um some of us more than others obviously you know um Arthur and Ian you guys are really going through the the ringer with this stuff and uh and I kind of touched it as well you know a little bit and so uh but I think that sacrifice that we're making to be able to use our voices to be able to speak clearly to be to encourage everybody to stand up um I hope this is a great encouragement for every guy out there to be able to to take his little sphere of influence and use his power to be able to speak clearly and say this is what's right this is what I need this is what is just um I think that's that's what I want you men to be able to do and be able to take the encouragement of the men up here on the panel who are willing to face whatever it is and just say I can face that too and I'm gonna speak I think that's really important hey G I'm gonna ask the next question to you I'm gonna go off to the far end again you uh have a group of men you work with and I know that currently there's a very much a strong trend of men coalescing together in groups to uh to self regulate who they associate with and choose associations uh to improve themselves what are you seeing in your groups and groups like that uh that audience members here could hear from and kind of get an insight from somebody who leads such a successful group I mean the overall state like of men's society this has been said before men are lonely uh that's a very common thing anyone that works with men will tell you that like guys are lonely they feel isolated they have no one to talk to and whatever it is that they believe in you know does anyone else share those beliefs like how do you find those types of people for the last three four five decades there's been this general I would say on purpose cultural warfare strategy of making male relationships gay if you hang out with guys that's gay fraternal bonding's gay you know there's always is implication like this homeoerotic element for men to actually spend time together um you know outside of you know just professional sports and even then that still gets criticized but I'm seeing now today guys they're just they're not caring anymore they're abandoning that and there's this realization now that you're you're not an island you're not a sole operator you know even what you said about the majority of political activism it's being women it should be men if you're going to go protest your government you're going to go because the men largely run the show mostly we do live under a patriarchy that way in a good way bad way whatever if you're going to go protest your government you're going to protest your governor why are the guys and out there where are the men because your governor is a man the people are mirroring force are a man if you are living under tyranny who's going to do violence it's not going to be women with guns I mean men with guns you're going to the the boot on your neck will be a dude so why aren't you mobilizing why aren't you participating that way why don't you care but guys are starting to care they're starting to care and they need they're realizing that they need to be a role ball in their their society you know when societies fall apart you know during civil wars social upheaval you know whether it's you know switching from a you know a modern key to constitution it's this very common theme that you need to get rid of the potential rulers we you need to send the king of the exile we need to take out anyone we need to take out any men that might be a leader and that everyone's looking for that now are their leaders do we have anyone so we can step up me later you know Ian did that with his gym he was a gym owner I know probably two years ago you didn't expect to become this firebrand nationally known figure you're a guy that owns a gym you're a bro you want to work out and have your gym and live a good life but now you're someone that represents something and that's a damn good thing we need we need more of that we need more men willing to step into that role and you know how do you do that you make friends you come together you form a group you form a tribe you know it doesn't have to be you know publicly publicly known it's almost better if you do it you know on the down low you do it you know behind closed doors and secret but you do that and now you have the ability to create meaningful change and now you can be a role model you can be an example and everyone that's watching you maybe they're not as brave as you but they get a little bit of that courage you know you being that man of gravity you give everyone around you imbue them with your qualities you know just because you stood out you were willing to take the heat take the pressure and that that's you know we're compared to two years ago three years ago and that's the biggest actual practical shift I've seen and a few years ago it was a lot of talk it was discourse it was commentary all that's really interesting to talk about yeah now we're in a crisis situation it's like there's no longer room for talk what are you actually willing to do let's move right to in on that one I mean because you're you're you're in the face of this what would be the things that you would redo facing the same situation again if we could you know dial back time knowing you're going to go through the same thing what would be the the physical changes or mental changes that you would approach differently to be a little more successful the second time around we tried to compromise with government at first and we we knew that they weren't going to and we we did it just not necessarily to save face but to absolve ourselves of of the the being branded as like reckless or selfish or or whatever for opening our gym and the reality is is that we knew very well that these people had bad intentions we knew that they were bad actors it was it was crystal clear from from all of the writing on the wall very early and I think I think we would have been bolder and more aggressive from the beginning I think I think if anything it would have been both middle fingers up from the beginning you know and and we got there eventually you know but we we tried very hard to to see the good or potential good in these people and the reality is is that the people who are responsible for the cultural shift that we've seen on many levels the the decline of strong masculinity the the rise of of wild progressivism the the lowering of standards all across the country you know these people are are very smart they know exactly what they are doing none of this is by mistake it's not a byproduct of which they pretend it is they pretend all these things you know are byproducts of good ideas you know because they they hide behind virtue and they they they pretend like it's for the greater good but what they're doing is they're creating a weak society so that it can be controlled and there is no political opposition and there is no cultural opposition so the only thing that we would do differently is I can say we would have been more aggressive from the start and and we also would have been more critical of people particularly men who spent their lives sitting down because I think I think when when you get called on your BS you're more likely to stand up and I think this is a a scenario that we're in now where time is very much of the essence where we're being moved down the field in the wrong direction and there's a tremendous amount of momentum behind that force because that force has been brewing and organizing and planning for a very very long time you know as as AJ said this isn't something that happens overnight it's these people have played a game of inches for a very long time the the old frog in the boiling water is is what we we are all sitting in the boiling water some of us just realized that we were in the pot much earlier on and and we would have been more bold in in showing people that very early we tried to show the best in government when we we knew that we were up against the worst I'm gonna move this to you I know you are very much involved in the arts and you've been instrumental in the creation of the Genesis Council and that is a collection of artists moving along conservative and traditional lines and expression of art and not just physical art but also in poetry and literature and those sort of things so it doesn't necessarily have to be around masculinity but to promote those ideas and values as celebrated by a civil culture and civil society can you tell us a little bit more about that absolutely so the radical left owns all of the you know gay keeping pillars whether it's big tech academia art gallery entertainment in Hollywood so they have all these fears of influence and we have all these stoic red pill data-driven guys over here that are just talking in an echo chamber and it's important the data gives us perspective but culture is way more influential in that regard so while there's while this is going on I found myself in this precarious position where I had no other collective to participate in before I came out it's like it's like you're a fag I came out as a conservative and finally I just created my own art collective and the idea behind that is that you know iron sharpens iron right you want to train with other people they get you stronger that applies aesthetically too so it can be around other creative people who hold each other accountable and are going to be ruthlessly logical in your critiques but we're also using a medium whatever it is acting comedy your brush towards the logos towards traditional sentiments again that's kind of the spirit behind the Genesis council but every time I talk to a different person when I'm getting them oriented in this community that what I'm noticing is that we all have this hunger to become uncancellable that's really what it boils onto we want to get out of social camouflage we want to feel like we can speak our minds and and be free men and I think we just have to understand though that the left is going to hate you anyways this is what it boils down to if you're in the closet or if you're flaming they hate you anyways and I was talking to Jesse Lee Peterson about this I remember when um trial of Derek Chauvin right and we were talking about how if officer Chauvin gets Chauvin whatever if he gets acquitted they're going to say this is evidence of systemic white racism that we live in this system but if he if he's guilty they'll say look it's evidence he was a racist cop so they hate you anyways so you just have to understand that you have to just join the fight or your kids are fucked you know like this is what it boils down to and I'm approaching it from an artistic angle because there's so much novelty there and um yeah I think every single person that's to participate one way or the or another in the cultural front Ken we're going to turn to you you're licensed marriage and family therapist how is today's culture starting to approach on your profession as a family therapist hmm I don't know if I feel that it is I think uh this is one you know we would talk to Sean Smith how he you know is trouble with the APA and all this and I think that um the field of marriage and family is still doing okay it's not uh falling too hard into a lot of these patterns it's not like the APA it feels like it's still a lot of respect for family a lot of respect for marriage and in that they're still hanging on to respect for men so I don't feel like my my um um what do you call it my my practice not my practice but uh the field that I'm in hasn't fallen yet you know at one time it probably will but right now it feels like there's still a lot of respect for some really significant things like family and um and that's comforting to me but I know the way that things go um it's it may it may fall through that way I'm not sure but it seems like it's doing okay taking two ideas simultaneously I'm gonna pitch this back to you the one is the the risk associated with marriage in general oh yeah is high the other is the kind of the the the analogy that of when's the most appropriate time to plant a tree and an arborist would tell you 10 years ago you know the second best time is to plant that tree today how does that apply to marriage and marriage counseling uh with therapy you know do you have to wait until the marriage is in crisis to look to improvement or is there value in going to therapy with your spouse to actually fortify it knowing you may have rough roads ahead if only if only that's what the way that people did it on the front end it would be amazing because I think yeah people wait till everything's desperate or if we're hitting the wall they've gotten to a really horrible posture of a lot of animosity in their relationship a lot of pain maybe some betrayal and so then you have to kind of process through that to rebuild the relationship and you can rebuild it if both partners are ready to to work on that but oftentimes one of the partners out and that's a that's difficult if not impossible then to rebuild the relationship so I think we have about 12 minutes left let me open up this to the panel is there anything you'd like any observances you guys would like to have or discuss openly that we haven't talked about or some areas of interest that you'd find interesting uh to our audiences well the thing I was thinking of when Arthur said the whole thing of being unapologetic I think that's a really powerful part of this whole journey being unapologetic of who you are um not as uh not just as a man but as an individual um the opinions you have the stance you have of uh and specifically of being a man I think that that was a really significant part of my journey there was one point in time when it was like I don't have to apologize for being a man because it felt like that was a significant thing that I had to do for so long um and especially being a strong man it's like I can be a strong man be unapologetic about holding my strength holding my power holding my character being present in any situation having influence wanting things that I want having a vision for my own life having a vision for my community it's like I don't have to be apologetic for that because as soon as you get apologetic and you start saying I'm sorry for breathing air it's like it's over it's done and so I love what he's talking about when Arthur said that be unapologetic that's a really powerful part of this whole journey and I would add to that there's that Andy Warhol quote in the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes in the future everyone will be canceled and you'll get at least 15 death threats all telling you the worst human being to ever live and like you need to know how you need to know how left how the progressive left operates they rely on social shame they rely on social coercion if you can get enough people together if you can get a social mob together and we you know show up digitally and tell you a table person you're going to bend the knee these are despicable people I've been canceled docs docs multiple multiple multiple times at this point I don't care I don't respect any of you you're all subhuman to me and you think I'm gonna say sorry like you're gonna elicit some emotion from me that I give a damn about your existence like you're fucking nothing and that's the attitude you have to take you all laugh like you need to take that attitude because otherwise they will fucking put the boot on your neck they will they're going to assume they're operating on this assumption if we show up enough if we say enough bad things about this person you are going to yield you will like you have to yield how could you not we all hate you we think you're bad you have to yield no I don't you all live in this sick victim fucking culture in which you all compete as to who's in most pain and who's being the most suppressed and you want that it's like the victim olympic status symbol that's how you live and operate I don't live that way I don't live my life that way you all don't live your lives that way you know so why should they have the power of god over you these people are human they're not higher beings they're not divine they're fallen and you're gonna let them what dictate how you're going to live fuck them so adopt that attitude you know I uh as somebody who has faced the the outrage mob myself I can I can only confirm that 100 percent it's the only value that those opinions have are the ones that you give you know it's and and people automatically assume and I think it's I think it's cultural I think we've been taught it's part of this you have to care about everybody all the time mentality that's been that's been processed you know it's if you watch out for yourself and your family you know like first they've they've branded that as like selfish so they've they've flipped the the amount of energy we give to things where you know the way it should be is you should care about yourself first self-preservation and and and not in a in a malicious way but to take care of yourself to take care of your health to to be ruggedly individual to to be free and and then you care about your family and that's your first circle of influence you know you you care about those people and you take care of those people and you make sure that they're good and then the energy that you have left then you move outward to the community you know around you your local community your your your town your whatever it is then the energy you have left you can put out into the rest of the world but they've they've entirely flipped that and they've told everybody that before you care about yourself you have to care about everybody else and then when you're done caring about everybody else then you can care about your town then you can care about your family and then you can care about yourself and you watch what has happened to the family structure and what has happened to the strength of individuals by the time we're done caring for everybody we have nothing left for ourselves and and you see the major decline in people's physical health mental health the health of the most important relationships in our lives the relationships with our significant others the relationships with our families the relationships with our children they all suffer because everybody's got the flip or the the the script flipped it on and as soon as you say no I don't care what you say you watch how you can you can physically see how fragile these people are because they short-circuit um you know they they throw everything at you and if you can just look at them and and blink and smile you can you can see like the system error start to occur where they don't know what to do after that because they never get past that point because it's worked so well up until now they've used that social shame and and the especially the digital social shame which is you have to remember that that equates to absolutely nothing in the real world through all of all of the the the chaos that came at frank and I to date not a single one of these individuals has ever come face to face with us to say anything and they have said some horrible things to us over the phone through email but it is is meaningless because you have to remember that these people are the losers of society they want you to come down to their level that's why they want you to bend the knee and and they've been catered to by politicians by people who who want that weak society so they they give these people a a gold star of achievement you know for doing nothing for being a victim because they want that standard you know you talk about standards being lowered and justice sort of bringing everything to zero the minute you stand up and say no it shatters their entire worldview because they don't know how to do what you're doing and that just scares them so bad and it's it's as simple as being unbothered by it you know you can you can you can go back at them or you just say nothing and it just it absolutely sets these people into it into a tailspin and they have no idea what to do with it and it's one of the most beautiful things watching these people melt down and just being able to laugh about it and then go back to living a successful life. So I'm with these two giant alpha males here and it's making me think about how like I think so much that this is so circumstantial also there's a study in the telegraph and they measured the upper body grip strength and overall athleticism of 150 men who voted for lower taxation and lower government programs and then they got 150 men who voted for higher government programs and higher taxation and all the men who wanted lower influence of the state were in better shape were stronger and had better grip right and I would bet you all of those losers preaching black lives matter on the streets or or LGBT whatever what you want to say bet you they go home they watch internet porn they watch video they play video games all day they don't trust any men I bet you it's so connected this is why I'm always pushing the cultural notion because everything I just said there is a cultural part of it it's not the discourse of politics so I think that in conjunction to us consolidating we won you know once we consolidate properly because the numbers are affecting that regard I have a collector in Australia we all know what's going on there right now and he told the first thing he told me was Arthur I wish we consolidated properly because we keep going down this line eventually we're going to want to be allies that let's say the state comes to your home and whatever the hell they're pushing at that point you don't want to be unarmed like you never know right so you want to get to that position where you also have the the like-minded tribe in conjunction to the fact that we're participating in the culture I think if we do both of those openly and with no fear then we're on our way might be point on a lot of this is that the individuals aren't just losers they they don't know how to create and creation is an inherently masculine proposition you know we talk about men being seed spreaders you know you have to fertilize uh in it's in essence you're germane you're bringing to creation and when we talk about art I know you did a great example of showing the difference between standard values of society you know the historical beauties the historical standards of of masculine values displayed in art and when we see the current art that's being thrown out there for the most part we're seeing a degradation not only in society but in the artwork manifest and you you said something briefly that every man has a capability for art and to start with something to do that can you share what that example was yeah I believe that everyone has a creative outlet it's just about medium specificity you need to find out what that is and I think that's very important for your development but um a little deeper than that is understanding the foundation of what an artist is in the first place there's a technical side fundamentals learning the rules to break the rules that's universal but I think even before is that before even get those technical skills it boils down to are you in pursuit of the truth right because if you're want to be an artist and you don't have that foundation you know you're gonna be uh your artwork is gonna be very quickly about vanity and self-absorption you know that's hip-hop right so yeah I think it's what was the second question again what's the one step that they can do the average man that has no artistic ability what is the one thing you gave an example I'll tell you that for you it was pottery you know going to an actual art store oh yeah yeah I mean it's it's just everyone should be exploring different artistic mediums and I'm telling you if you just go into the chaos of aesthetics and something sort of peek out just dabble with it and eventually something will speak to you and I will say that well we'll take it further is having and this is a pretty general bolt staple but if you believe in God or have a spiritual orientation or believe in some sort of transcendent morality your art will have a better direction you're gonna have a much more clear pathway in making higher excellence in your novelty because you have something to point towards look at all the greatest artists in history they're pointing upwards right all the art today it's miasmic it's a reflection of the left their deconstructionist men can be woman anything can be anything right so so that applies to art too you know you can look at I don't know that the art nouveau artists and then put up some postmodern garbage and they'll say oh they're both equally the same both beautiful and the important case here is this panel is about masculinity masculinity is what the term is objectivity that is the that's what we have to understand you know we're the ones who make the line this this is what you don't cross this is the expectation and that objectivity is deeply connected to masculinity because when masculinity left especially in the early 1900s in art history that's when all the ascetic standards plummeted so everything it all connects you know internally and externally but you can even visually it'll speak for itself and we got to bring back men of art men of culture and bring back God you know with that we're gonna wrap up this episode of the red man group thank you all thank you very much and stay tuned for the next episode i'm sarca cheese coming from 21 summit 2021 thank you thank you guys thank you welcome back to the 21 convention second patriarch edition live in orlando florida welcome to the 22 convention welcome back to the 21 convention 2020 of orlando florida being held for the first time ever at our very first and inaugural 21 summit event welcome to 21 summit in orlando florida well here we go we risked again with the 22 convention the patriarch in 21 convention all three stages together in one event not only did we sit down and say we're going to come together in meat in mass but we're going to take it a step further we are going to dare have a conversation about the sexes openly honestly and engage the woman that could bet like i am amazed that i'll well this one we did a brand new event we did the second patriarch and we did the main event for the 19th time it's so much more than sitting in an audience watching a man on a stage the conversations and the hallways the connections that people make the challenging the collaborations and that's what we need it all starts with men and it's not just men that's what i like about this you know we don't want to like overreact to feminism and then and then hate women that's not it this is about men getting their act together doing what they're made to do you had meals you had to run security you had to run travel plans you had to ensure people were where they needed to be three stages cameras everywhere and it was pulled off with flawless execution it's evolved so much i really appreciate how anthony has allowed you speakers to evolve and to grow and to share that and to encourage that with all the other men here to hear so much talk on family and fatherhood there's more depth there's more room for who they could be is the word patriarchy or patriarch offensive to you in any way not to me personally okay not at all it's something that i i cherish it i love it i grew up you cherish the patriarch i do in mansplaining news a three-day conference for women led by men hopes to make women great again but women need to be told how to be great again oh i do like how to land a husband how to lose weight how to pop out a bunch of kids why don't men think they need to fix the problems of women well it says the world's ultimate event for women you know orlando florida that's going to be the scene of the crime it's mansplaining platoosa you say no to the toxic bullying feminist dogma patriarchy is the future it's good to see it in person i'm just until i got here and saw it and you can see the people in the audience you see the men that are here committed to listening i mean it's just changed my idea of what the conference is the professionalism the staff the way everything is organized it's given me a different perspective about this particular idea and i'm ready to put some more fire into it welcome to dream world ladies and gentlemen