 This morning's session is Open Education Cooperative at Jukkupe with Alexandra and Alexander, if you can take it from here. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, yes. So, today, I'm going to talk a little bit about our organization and also about our Open Education Cooperative, because I just want to share our method and show how we are working with teachers and how we we help them to cooperate with each other, but also to cooperate with different organizations and just we are just thinking more about open education than open education resources and I guess this is this is just good practice that I really like to show and for me the best way to show this is also feel it or just do it. That's why I was thinking about workshops more than about just presentation because in presentation it's very simple. You have this group and then you make open education resources and that's it and it's it's very nice just to feel how we are we are making and I will share share my screen with you with my presentation. It's here and it's not. Okay. Just one second. I need just one more second. To make it bigger. Okay. Yes, so our our initiative is called Edukub and it's short way to say open education cooperative in Polish because I didn't say that I'm from Poland from Warsaw from Centrum Cyfrowe and this is an organization which worked with education which Kutra institutions and also with policy and this is our three main main issues that we are taking care of in our very small organization now we have 12 people so there's a lot going on about openness in Poland but I'm working in education I'm working mostly with G12 schools and try to share this idea of openness and that's the how this cooperative started with this idea that our schools are very closed and why we have free free textbooks we have also in Poland a very nice open online textbooks ebooks for for whole school from primary secondary and we don't have secondary now so primary and high school and so we have like all of this in Poland but still this education it's not open as we are understanding this and I think not only we have open education resources but there is no maybe not no but not enough sharing and not enough conversation not enough creation of open education resources we really I really believe that this research should be perfectly fit or just good enough fit but still to to please the students and not just this huge textbooks ebooks that they're just for everybody so probably it's not good for anybody without changes and this is this beginning of our of our story because we are in small group and we had time to introduce ourselves before I will skip this let's get to know each other but maybe this is also the time when you want to say something about your experience I just ask if not we can we can do this later okay and but I want to show this very nice picture as you can see we have in our in our project a lot of pictures and they are on CC by so I will put also them on the on our my presentation just you can use that they are very very cute yeah so I start with our head of store and how it how it starts with this with this idea that the education is not so open that it should be and also we had this idea that teachers are very long lonely in Poland they really want to if they want to make some changes or want to be better create something they don't have any good leaders and a good networks and probably they're not so used to cooperate with with another teachers I think there's many reasons why but but that's just just the truth how it how it works and this was also very very important for us to and to show them that this cooperation is very very important I was thinking yesterday about this because this is not whitehead and he's the mathematician and when we started three years ago our corporate if we started with mathematicians with teachers that teach mathematical because we also start here we show you later we started literally research just to get know where is the biggest gaps in in materials and in resources and then we we invite teachers to to our project and we start with mathematicians and then we figure out that this mathematician this was the day in the year when he came to the public domain so we could use his his work and he's not only mathematician but he's also he was also a teacher and he really really believed in education and with open educations and there are some words of him about this and I forgot about him but I think he's like this good spirit of our of our project and I like to think about him sometimes about this this thinking about open education began not three years ago not ten years ago and not 20 years ago but but way way back and and that's why I put him here and I tried to to remember about him this cooperation because our idea of this project they have this form for values I guess I can call this that that we work on it and his the cooperation is one of this this open education resources is second we really really like to talk also about adventures and I will tell you why this cooperation is the one and the first and the most important that when we invite our teachers to work with us it's not normally small group like 15 this year and then we divide them to groups and they're from home and they didn't know each other maybe sometimes online but normally they didn't know each other but we don't want them to work alone we want them to work with groups with to cooperate so and it's hard most of the time it's hard because they're not used to cooperate and they are very very intelligent they are very very focused on on go and that's that's mean it's not always easy for them to to make something not in their own way and we are really like this process and like to to observe this process and how they change it during it so this learning part it's another one we invited this teachers and then we tell them okay make some open education resources and on this first edition three years ago with mathematicians on the beginning we have a lot of questions okay we can do this but we need you need to pay us if we want if you want some resources and I first of all why why it's it's a project for this and but they write it's not like you can you can use this work teacher work without anything and then we need that this was the moment when we change our communication that this this resources are just the beginning it's not the most important thing it's just the way we want to show something and not the result and this process is important and and that's why this this learning part it's so important and we put a lot of workshops for these teachers and both we will teach them about digital competences because there's very important in open education in this school level it's very important to show different tools and and also different methods how to teach online and how to teach with new technologies so this learning and also how to cooperate it's it's the different part and we also do this so we have cooperation we have learning and then we have this adventure because we truly believe that you need to have fun when when you work because life is hard it's hard enough that if you spend so many time in your work we you need to have fun and that's why we try to make this workshop funds but also we try to explain teachers if you use this this close textbooks there's no fun you read this you use this and you even sometimes you didn't care but if you create with your own with your students with your colleagues some some materials that's where when this fun starts and when this adventure starts and I know it's it took times and it's not so easy for for teachers and it's like the path that you you can choose but you don't have to but this is why what what we are trying to to achieve and on the end we have this openness that we have a lot of conversations not only with our teachers but in but generally with teachers and with organizations in Poland in Warsaw about openness and why it's so important to to create open education resources and also why it's so important to teach in open way. Okay and this is this is how this process works we start with research as I said and we had these three additions first was about mathematics and we create open education resources for mathematics then we have this we have this main topic and then we create workshops but the clue is we don't have this workshop is the four weekends for it's four weekends normally but first we need to meet this the teachers so we meet them we have this first workshop that we get to know them and then we create rest of of this time because we really want to to fit and to make these workshops very specific and very very useful for this group for the specific group of teachers not for everyone yes so we start with mathematics the second was for was for home home room so for some psychologist and some some school issues and this this time this this year we finished with a climate crisis and I just want to share that this time is very emotional this climate crisis is very emotional for our teachers and for our students and I think it's very important to use also this this openness and this open education resources to talk about very important issues yeah so we have this research with these workshops and on the end we have also online course it's open it's for everybody now we are translated also to English and and also methodology we are still working on it because you want you really want to have so it's not ready yet but it will be and will be ready to take and to use and also we have on the other hand teacher network but now we have bigger network of librarians because we also made online course for librarians and now we have bigger quite big network of librarians and the librarians from schools but also from public librarians libraries and university libraries so it's very diverse group that it's quite active yeah and here it's there's some links to to our resources and we put this presentation also on my session so you can just look at them later yes so this is the end of my presentation maybe this is time if you have any question about this method and I would be happy to answer can I can I ask so I have two comments if I may so the first one was in relation when you were saying that teachers are very lonely and they don't really collaborate with each other does that happen as well in their own schools so see for example if you have two teachers who are teaching mathematics are they still not talking to each other in order to prepare the classes together is this where I said what I'm going to say but it depends of course it depends it depends mostly as I find out from how this school works so this director of principal it's the most important person in school and if they trust each other and if they just like each other yes they talk but if there's just just work and there's no relationship then probably also they work but they work because they have to each other the less information the less information is better and even when they when we started with this project many teachers said oh great there's no teachers from my school then I will I could speak openly what what problems I have and what it's hard for me because in my school I'm afraid of my work I'm afraid that I lose my job I'm afraid of many many things and yeah there is this is true Wow okay so this is very interesting because it kind of adds a layer of difficulty for you guys as well so once you because you're doing all these workshops and I I I see that you're starting this some some like a community if you like right so so is that working for you so how are you how are you what are you doing to actually sustain this community so once this trust is established with with one teacher and the other teacher from other schools and all that I said it's it was different in the beginning also because there's so many changes in in Poland and in Polish education we have this reform and then we had big strike in a teacher strike in Poland and I think it's it's it's really changing that there's the teacher starts a lot of groups and they love Facebook Facebook a lot but in a really good good way they create very nice project on Facebook like my favorite one is invite me to my lesson in the start during pandemic that you can just you could just on right on Facebook that hey I am very good in this I think I can make some lessons for your kids in your school and then then and other teachers just just invite this person and there's just one example of very good cooperation so probably it's not just it's not us it just the climate is changing a school climate is changing and in my opinion it's bad and and good good stuff in this because changing this this teachers are more they believe more in what they can and what they should and how this education should work but they still in this fight mood now and so and I know it's the answer of your question because the answer is that we have this community but it's very small because we have very small groups in our when projects and then this this our teachers works with teachers in the field. I can say that and in and normally they just find their own own subject they really want to work for example we have this to mathematicians that start to work and create group that's working with escape rooms and they have like a lot of teachers like 10,000 or something in their group and they work about and they create this escape rooms for everything and so so that normally they just find this one issue and subject but team that they want to work and and they do it alone we just sometimes write to them or invite them to to some workshops or invite them to contact workshops for new new new teachers so we just stay in touch just send them send them emails or sometimes just talk on the phone but it's quite small group you have this we have three additions so it's like 40 40 teachers now great no thanks it's it's it's it is still kind of a beginning you know so it's even if it is a small community I think it's it's fabulous that you that you have that little community that you can start growing so yeah well done yeah yeah yeah and it works for us yeah and I hope also just work for this and education. Hi, Alexandra. So the groups that I work with are paralegal advisors who do community training. So it's actually a big group who are in a very big pool for very little financial resources that is available to them. So we often have a problem even just organizing meetings because people can only do that when daughter is available. So we've done some training using WhatsApp. But I was wondering if you had similar problems and how you've resulted. I'm not sure if I understand the question you ask how we resolve financial problems. Yes, and if we make this online. Yeah, when people stay remotely and often have a problem dialing in or how you cope with those sort of problems. We had this problem exactly that we start offline this last last edition and then we just need to change it for for online and we use teams Microsoft teams in Poland in Polish schools it's very very popular to use Microsoft teams so we just use this this tool because we know that teachers will. We use it and and it went very well because we just because normally we work on the weekends and we have this long workshops on two days for 10 hours per day, but it's impossible to make it online so long then. So we make shorter shorter works during the weekends and then told them that okay, because we are meeting only three hours on Saturday and three hours on Sunday, then you have this eight hour to work with your groups in time, whatever you want. And and because teachers are more used to work online and used to work at home, it wasn't so so hard to convince them to do this and we have very very nice resources now. They're not ready yet but but we there finish them so so yes but we have one problem and about this this community problem. They are not so much group anymore. And then, and it's so much harder to to convince them to share with their, with their knowledge and with their, I don't know, experiences, because they're not know each other so well probably. So, yeah, it's works very nice with this hard effects with this open education resources, not so well with this soft competences and with this cooperation sharing and so on. And we are, and I have good answer how to make it perfectly, but we are, we are working on on this, and we have on this project we have very nice grants that we can use it, and it's very flexible, and that's how why we could do this so easily. I don't know it's I answered your question. Yes, he did. Thanks. I would like to have a new participant who joined the session. So what does Mollik. So if you, if you can hear us would you like to introduce yourself. You can either unmute yourself, or you can post a message into the chat window. Thank you. Thank you very much. So, if there's no more questions about this. Okay, I would like to invite you some, some share session. And, but I need to open this jumpboard and also, you know, give me a second, just a second. My face. I have this. Okay, I'm not really close to what I want to do because now I want to share with you. I will put this on the chat. This jumpboard. I put the link in the chat. Okay, and you can go there. Just to next step. I have some problem with my keyboard. Okay. And also we share this screen. So we see on. Do you know that jumper do you know how to have to use it. Maybe I will just explain shortly. On the left you have this tools. My favorite tools is posted. You can write something on it and put it here like on it. It works the same. So I would like just to talk about, talk about about your experience in creation of a year. Do you create and I know it. I don't know teachers or librarians or I don't know who are working with or what kind of if you create and Yeah, probably this is the first question. And you can just write and put here or you can write on chat and I can put here on whatever you find the best way to communicate with me. It's fine. I just want to say that on the Jamboard and I requested access to it because the link that I clicked and it shows that we have to request access. Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry about this. Probably. I hope it's easy to change. Yes. Would you like to have because I was wondering, could we just talk about it or would you like us to have a would you like You can also talk about this, of course, of course, and I also changed this. It should be. It should be okay. Right now, but yes, we can talk Yes, we can. I mean if you wanted to have a written record of the conversation, of course, you know, we can, we can, we can rise on the on the board no problem but I was just wondering Yeah, whatever you prefer for me it's I just very curious what is your experience and then I will be very curious what you would like to create and so on so I will be very glad just to hear and just to talk with it to you also. Okay, I can start if you want so I'm at the moment so I work in higher education I work in the University of Delft and one of the main things I do in my work I work as a learning developer so I help teams of students in the University to create a MOOC, for example, to create an online course and it's I find it very interesting what you're talking about because in our case there has to be a lot of collaboration because if there is no collaboration, this is not going to happen right so so we already kind of working in teams from from the beginning and our MOOCs are we, we have a partnership with with edX so our MOOCs always run in edX at least once We released the courses on the Creative Commons license and we move our courses directly from edX on to the open courseware platform here at the University of Delft but that's the fact that we, that we do that it helps us explain to our teachers what is, you know what happens when you do things in the open or so if we say to our teachers you know they are this MOOC that we are producing together that we're working that we're designing together and we're going to share it with the whole world so that helps us have kind of that discussion with what does that mean, what are the implications both as in to help other people reuse our materials or what are the implications when you're actually designing the course itself, so yeah it's great, so I feel lucky listening to you and listening to how you, how difficult it can be for you to actually ask your teachers to collaborate and I kind of feel in a way lucky that we, we start from the belief and from the, it's a reality if we, if we don't collaborate this, this is not going to happen for us, so I think everybody understands that very well. Naomi I don't know what you're saying Naomi and I work together so I agree I was just putting on the notes from kind of what you're saying about that collaboration it does definitely require a lot of collaboration. And it's great that we can have the course in edX and later on in the open course there. Not all course teams when they, if they haven't developed a MOOC before are aware of the licenses and what exactly that means for their content. So sometimes I think the experience of creating an OER is explaining it to people like even TAs who are involved, so they understand what exactly it means. And yeah I think collaboration definitely is a major part of it. What I think is beautiful is that whatever is created can be modified or reused. So some of our courses have different language translation so some of the courses that are created originally in English are also in Spanish, and we also have some courses not so many but a few in Dutch. One I think that's really nice is for younger children for programming. I think it just provides more access. So I think more access to people is one of the attractions about creating the OER, because you know that more people can benefit from it in different languages as well. So that's my take I think. Because there is two things I want to comment. One is translations I think it's very important and something that I'm thinking a lot because there's a lot of OER in English and for this primary education you just need to have materials in your own language so this translation is very important. So when they're in English but they're open it's very, very important for us. It's only for us. It's just very important that they are like this. And one more thing. Yeah, this online courses. This is just a comment that in higher education in Poland the online courses are very, very popular and on Moodleland we have a lot of open courses and it works very, very nice. But in this high school or primary education not so much the online courses are not so popular. We just started to think about this and how it could be used. And this we are just on the beginning so we are now we are looking a lot how it works on this higher education and what we can use and just change to be okay for this school education. So thank you for this. Just maybe a little contribution from my side. So personally as far as the creation of OER is concerned, I think the extent of it is in relation to let's say presentations and different conferences when you are licensing your slide decks and the creative commons are making it openly available. Publishing articles in open access journals for instance under open access under creative commons licenses so all of this the fact to become open educational resources to what so there will be more the extent of involvement personally, but So our organization is concerned open education global I mean we do a lot of that kind of work in terms of motivating encouraging people organizations around the world to release or to produce or to release their educational resources openly. So that would be more of the sort of encouraging motivating others, capacitating others to do so. Yeah. Okay, thank you very much Igor for this. So, because we are talking about this we also answered a bit about this question that is very, very okay so I think now just to put this question. So what is most important creation. This first slide, because I guess we just talk a lot about this right now what is important. So probably to be easier just know it's impossible to make it this way. It's impossible but it doesn't matter because I just want to emphasize this question maybe we can just talk a little bit more about this importance what is the most important with creation and in RER I would say this collaboration and cooperation is very important but maybe you have some other thoughts about this. I think if I can come in for a second. I meant to ask you earlier and then we just I kind of lost my, my chain of thought but when we're talking about collaboration, I think it's actually super important to also involve the students in the creation of the OER. It doesn't, if we just leave it as in, you know, I am the teacher or I am the big professor I'm telling you, this is what we're doing what you know it's I think is we should encourage always to do you know that the students try and work in the open as much as it can as well. So, because even if you think about it in terms of sustainability right is if it's the students that are the students now are the ones who are going to be maybe potentially teaching later on or that can actually we don't even have to stay with education we don't really much talk about you know how how open can you be in your in your professional life for instance so so the conversation needs to continue this so if we exclude the students from from from this conversation from the process of creating OER now I think we are doing ourselves a massive this service in a way. Yes, I totally agree. I think one, because copyright law, it's very important to teach students how it works and oh yeah it's very easy to show how it works. So, so this one thing with another thing what I'm thinking and we are doing this by using design thinking, and I really really like this method and it works pretty pretty nicely in our project because they're invited to make types just to make interviews and there all the time in this in this process and process, and we have this this feedback from teachers that there's also opportunity for them to just to talk to them what they like, what they want to do, what is important for them and so on and so on. So this conversation, this small digression but we do this and we had this very nice research in Poland, why school is boring because school is boring and students think so that the school is boring and to make this very long research very short. And they said because nobody talks to us in school, they just teach us and they just want some answers sometimes, but they're not, we don't have free conversation in school. So, this is one of the opportunities to have this really nice and true conversation with with students. Okay, do we have something more about this what is important in in creation. For you. And what do you think in terms of having so because we create in something what what really makes it an OER is then what happens to this resource that you created right so how about what do you think what is the situation in terms of so so I've created something and I now want to share it so where can you share it is that something for example that you would consider super important or relevant, not necessarily super important. Yeah, so we tell sometimes we say to people and now you go and share, right, but then like how how do I do it where do I put it all that kind of conversations. And this consternation like all the time. In our conversation with teachers because in Poland we don't have this one platform, and I'm still don't know if it's okay or it's not so much I have many thoughts about this and I really that's not sure which way is the best but no we don't have now and this is a problem. Because then we need to explain it doesn't matter how you share, but when you say it doesn't matter then still we don't have any nice clue for for the teachers. And then, okay when they put it in, I don't know, in school website, then they are afraid that nobody will see this work, and so how it might more, more visible for for community for another teachers and so on. And the other conversation in this project and in is promotion, and we also not talking only about design and about methods and about content, but also about promotion of, and how to promote this. This materials. Yeah, so this is, this is quite, quite important. I don't know, do you have in your countries this one platform for for schools. You cut me there because I'm not even if I live in the Netherlands I'm not 100% sure what's going on here so embarrassing. I would. I think there is still the big device that is active. Yeah, exactly that was this. The big device is a can is, can is making so of course this is really bad I forget what it's not but what I wanted to say it's like. And what I always find extraordinary is in this kind of conversation is like how, and I know it is important and I know obviously each university to each school wants to highlight what it is. What we're doing and show the whole world and so everybody's very keen on creating maybe their own platform, their own repository right and that that's that's totally cool I don't. I don't have anything against that but what I'm always saying, you do not have to depend on on your school or your university if you wanted to share this there's 100 million different ways of sharing things. Okay, starting with you may have your, your community. In Facebook, for example, you might be keeping a blog you might just use a service that it's already available like slide share or, you know, depending on what it is so I'm always in in two minds about this as in when somebody wants to share. You always think okay so my, I, there must be a place in my university where where I can share or in my school but sometimes that place does not exist so it's more for me to try and and show people the many other places where that are open to. Everyone in the world in order to kind of share whatever it is that you want to share and I know this is also controversial because we get into. Okay, but if I create something do I own the copyright is in my university is in my university so it's I know it's more complicated and like this but what I'm always trying to do is how. How do we overcome this barriers rather than throw more barriers in the way to somebody who wants to share it's like how we can actually help them and say okay, this is very simple, or this could be very simple, even if it's not. And we do have one question from the audience on how do you quality check OERs. Yes, I can answer for my project, but I will say one more time it's small one we have not a lot of OERs because it just an example, and we just invite some experts because we in our organization we those copyright law in Poland and we know accessibility so we can check this and. And probably, and also we know. Educational methods, and that's what we can do, but then we went now we are working on climate crisis and I'm not specialist in this subject so I invite Gerard who works. In the green piece and she just check this. This material is to just to have this and just to have this sureness that it's it's okay, but I will say, okay, in the small project you, yes, we have also this the graphic designers and so on because it's, it's like our our child. It's just an example, but I will say if it's OER for your teacher and you make some materials for you for you or for your colleagues and maybe we won't just put it on some social media or whatever. I would say it's okay if there's some mistakes, it happens, you can just even write this down and it's just material that you use in on your lesson and just check it before review, you will use this before next time, one more time. Because when I know it's very important to have high quality OERs, I agree, but also it's very important to make them and not to be afraid that everybody will judge you and will replace your mistakes or so on. So I'm here very for openness for this to be open and say, okay, I made it. I'm not 100 sure if there is no mistakes, maybe there are some spell mistakes or whatever. Just check it before use it and that's it. Okay, so we have this next question. I'm trying to answer this in our group, why not? What kind of OER we need or you need and what kind of OER you would like to create, but maybe, do I have this now? Also, I would like you to think about this, I don't know, this perfect OER or even maybe impossible OER, what do you have in your dreams, this kind of materials, what do you think that will be so nice to have? Okay, I'm going to come in first. It depends, it depends a lot. For me, what I would like to see ideally is an OER out there that is available under the most open license possible, so that I can actually... Which is most open. I'm just curious. So, like, for example, like CCBuy or you could even do it in the public domain, you know, so something that you can really let go off and see what happens. But that's me, it doesn't matter if it is an open textbook, if it is a photograph, if it is whatever it is that you want to create in the first place. I think that it's still kind of, you know, it's like we still have this fear of we create something, but we don't always know how to let go of what we created and let others use it and see what happens. So yeah, so in my ideal world, that's what I would like to see. I see that you're not the only one because second comment from Sapa is quite similar. So the perfect one is this very, very open. Yeah. I always say something because I have this idea that we have also this material, but my dream is more like a tool. I would love to have this open tool that could, I don't know, translate. I have this translating now in my mind, but it could translate some materials and it could be open and it's very nice. Like plugging or something like this, it would be very nice. But that's what I think right now and also I would just like, maybe it's not material, but also I would say this cooperation between higher education and school education because I don't know in point, this higher education so much farther in openness than schools and probably schools could learn so much from them, but it would be so good to have this cooperation and just to learn. And it's a very nice comment there from from Suva that's that is also on the on your Jamboard so I don't know if Suva if you wanted to come in and elaborate a little bit more maybe. We can hear the comment that she added into the chat is the user should have a scope to contribute. And actually, I would agree on that because most of the online courses. The space is not meant, or there is no actual space for the students to change the content in a typical MOOC type setting. And within another tool that it's there, but it's not not necessarily that the students in the course can make comments everywhere in the course or they can do edits. It seems like that's one piece that's missing. Yeah, I agree. I really agree. But also we need very good tools for this how to make this that is useful for students and also useful and easy and the discourse will be also still okay and still working. So, I think this, this is the question how to manage the situation. And that's also something that you then you need really work on this course like all the time so. So it's to make it in high quality, probably. I just just thinking right now and how it could work to be to be okay. Maybe you have some experiences like this to that you have this really open courses and you work on such course. But the idea is it's great. Thank you for this. Okay. Do we have some more comments here. Okay, and you even try this so congrats is it sounds like a lot of works but I think it works as to try to do this. So, I just want to show you something in order to have some more comments on the child. No, I'm just welcoming okay and making sure that they have the link to the document. Okay, thank you. So I just want to show you something. This is the canvas that we are using in in our project we are using in Polish and we also changed sometimes, but I just want to show that you that this how we are working with teachers is also important for us that we are just thinking about the stores, because we then we want them to think about about tools that they're using and we want today we want to fill it out because it's it's a lot of work. So, and so it's not for for today but I just want to show that we have this that we are really think about this target group and for whom are this this materials and how they going to be used and what resources they need to create them and why they are create them and what the students will learn from this this materials and so on and so on. Yes, I will share to this. I should not share the PDF. But to this you mean to the canvas or to the to this jump board. Yeah, I should the PDF. It's different format, unfortunately. I hope that that's okay. Yeah, there's another conversation about which format is open and probably PDF it's not the one the most open. Yeah. So reading the chat and the right don't get me started. Yes. I will try to make it editable. Yes, I think I should. Now I really think I should do this. So I try to do this eager and put on this, because it's very nice and I also changed it a lot. I make it in the kind of a condo you know kind of a this, this website is very nice. So yes, that's that's what I am sorry I lost my thoughts. Okay, and now it's the time when we could start our work but I think maybe I don't know if we you can use it for us, but I will try. I will try one exercise just to show you how we works with our teachers, because we have some some ideas this canvas is one thing. And another we make this exercise when we Oh, maybe I won't tell you just try to make I don't know do you have some paper and something to write in by your side somewhere. You can just write me on chat. Do you ready for this kind of exercise I would love it could be on paper and not on desktop or it could be possible for us to make it. Okay, let's try. So I would like you to to draw your perfect school, like three minutes and the role of your imaginary perfect school. No writing drawing. It's easier, you know, so much easier to draw something. Okay, let's try. I'm drawing to also if some of you needs a little bit. A perfect school, we are drawing our perfect school how you imagine how it would look like also if somebody needs a little break, it's like we have three minutes, four minutes break and drawing the same time. multitasking now. So, okay, do you have your pictures and can I see them if there's anybody who want to show picture of perfect school. Can you see. Yes. Oh that's amazing it's looks almost like mine. I will show you later. Do you want to say something about this. Yeah, actually this is the ideal perfect school created by Ravindranath Tagore in Shanti Nikhetan. You know that you study in the midst of nature under the tree, you know not confined in a building. So the physical openness is also there, not just open curriculum but the physical openness is also there. Yeah, I love this idea. Thank you very much. I'm trying to show you mine but because of the, you can say, oh yeah, no, can you. Closer. Yeah, for a second, I saw it for a second. I need to get a stop the virtual background song. See if I can one second. And I just thought it was show to you because, oh, can you see this. And now. And it's wanted to show it because it's very similar. It doesn't look very similar, but it is similar. So what I have is lots of trees and there's the house and the kids are happy and smiling and the sun is shining. But I like, but I like so connected to to Sue was school is also kind of the city and kind of being in the open. You know, in nature, so yeah. Yeah, thank you very much. Somebody else. I'm can't you share mine. It's amazingly like everybody else. It's so cool. We have one mind. Thank you. Okay, so I will show you also mine, you know, it's the same picture so you won't be surprised because we have also this tree and this kids and they're doing what they want and talking. It's a chance to show picture. So, the reason we draw this. This perfect school is also to have fun and I like to this on this online workshops because it's, you know, the occasion to draw with your hands and you spend or tens or whatever and so different than on computer, but also I do this with teachers to tell them now you are an author, you are an artist, you have this. This picture and it's yours. And this is the beginning of conversation about copyright law and about creative commons and about how they would like to share this. This picture and why this way on another way. And then we normally make this this line from the normally we didn't start with talking about no okay I will put a CC by because they don't know this, but they just explain okay I would like to share this with everybody but I don't want them to make money, for example, and then we have this. Sorry, and then we have this this this conversation about about sharing and about how fun is to share how how how fun was to see this pictures and if you share that everybody would have this fun and so on. So thank you for this for this exercise and you are excellent enjoying and I'm amazed that we have the same one month and we think about school in the same way. Okay, I don't know if we have any power but maybe in this after this short break, we can just use another 10 minutes for thinking about our imaginary open resource. But we of course create one group because we are one great group here and we can figure out. You know it's hard, I don't know if it's possible. Now, what kind of open education resource we could create together as a group as with our different skills and different backgrounds and this higher education and schools and and also as Igor said this this resources from conferences. We can try. What do you think is it possible. I can't hear anything so but I think everything everything is possible. So, for whom we could create this this open education resources. What do you think. I have a nice idea Igor wrote that I could create is I could create this version, but I was trying to think about what we could create together as a group. So you should suggest that I would make it editable and that you will translate it to your languages, something like, you know I want this, and this is nice. I choose this climate change but it's so close to me right now. I know it's hard and I know it's also very long and on a computer so I will just tell you that this is the part when when we start this part with our teachers is like the hardest part and it's always so confused and it's chaotic and it's it's not easy on offline with people there now so online right like this it's even when it just, you know, just for workshop. I know it's it's very hard to to figure it out so don't don't be surprised. I will also. So, so can you explain to us like how you do this with your teacher so pretty much is like exactly, but you do not give them any examples beforehand or see what I mean it's just together give us a bit more context maybe. Yes, of course. Examples what are your looks or examples what they should could make, we make some, we give them examples of ready your years, yes, but normally not in the same subject, because right now, for example in Poland there is not so much open education about climate changes or climate crisis, and so we just show them what what this open education resources are, but as you know it could be anything that it's open. So that's why it's very confusing for them and. And this is the part when we are just want to know more what they want to do and how they could match match together. And so we probably normally we make this postage sessions, they write, they will have one time they write what they want what they want we just make it in few groups and of course it's not enough and five people in four groups and one person's in it, there is no group and so so make another session then still they're writing this this groups what they want more or what they want to change and so on and so on and it's took like two or three hours and after that everybody normally are happy with their groups and they are ideas and they could start to work but no no we are it's very hard for teachers and probably not only for just that we are not telling them what we want from them, we are not doing this, we just know some materials, but when they ask what kind of materials for whom. And so we said, we don't know you need to know what you want to do. And it's very nice question because it's, it's quite important part in this project that we really want them to, to, to feel that they're this their project, their materials, not ours, we are there just to facilitate and give them time and space. That's great. So, so if I can still ask another question. So, so imagine I say okay so I'm a teacher. So I whatever I teach social sciences, for example, so I'm going to be thinking about my own class so I could say okay for whom well it's for my students and they are normally. I don't know 12 year olds, for example, and what type of a resource I could say okay well I want to create a nice resource which is photographs and text and maybe exercises about one of the sustainable development goals right, but can you say a little bit more about that last posted the orange posted when you say plus of creating together so I wanted I'm reading it as an advantage of working together or is it. Yeah, yeah. And normally, normally we are not using this one, it's just for us. We are just talking about this after this this process because it's too, it's too complicated in this first part, because when you said, okay, I want to make some, some address from our students, my students. This could be okay but then you are not working alone so you need to find another teacher in this group or teachers that won't they have the same similar class of similar subject or similar something. It's so complicated and this this class of creating this is advantages of creating together. This is something that we are talking normally after they create this. This material is what they get from from this cooperation. So, but so how does it, sorry, so how does it work, do you get the teachers to pitch their ideas to each other and look, and then so say okay so I go back to the same idea so I did social sciences 12 year olds. I would like to teach this who can help me. Is that how it works or. Something like this we do this. We have like two different parts of this workshop, but first is this. This is something that we are taking from a decent thinking. And we just make it just to show how to create how they could create materials but, and they make prototypes and in many times they make prototypes before they decide on the end of the subject. But during this in they just developed they just divided to groups, whatever, however, whatever they want. And it's time when they have, when they have time to talk to each other, what they really want to do, and they make some prototypes just to practices, but they, then they know, because it's small group. And then they have this time to know what each teacher would want to do and so on and then we have this post posted session, when they write it down on this post it and everybody can read it and then just put another idea to post it that was right it or make another post it and so on and so on and with that just try to make it less and less and less and put on four or three or four materials for this 15 to this year we have 12 and three 12 teachers and three in materials and yeah it's complicated it's a little bit like magic also I guess because there are so many ideas normally. But the important is that they need to have time to talk to each other, and we like this make it during some another exercise is just they talk to each other and then they have this time to write it down on this on post this. I know it's more clear. I hope so. Okay, I think. Okay, thank you. So, and I just explain you the rest of the the rest of the project how it works, they will make this open application resources during this, this workshops in four weeks, and then they put wherever we talk about this sooner, wherever they want and also because we don't have this platform we also, we help them to promote this, this material as normally we also put some writers write some, some articles to press, mostly for teachers and putting into internet and some websites about education in Poland, and, and it works and we have from this last year, this materials are very useful and very used by teachers and this is, this is very important for for a party for our that this, this material are live, but there's something that we really need to work on. We don't have so many, so many feedbacks that this materials are, are remixed and used in another ways. And this is something that we talked about perfectly ours that we didn't go there yet like in perfect way, this something to improve in in this project. And then we have this, this teacher networks and we just stay in touch together. Okay, so I guess that's it. Thank you very much for, or you maybe you have some more questions. Thank you very much for, for this workshop. It was very nice to talk to you and to talk a little bit more about. Yes, I have examples but they're in Poland. Sorry, I wrote this question on chat. I asked, do they have an examples of what the teachers created. I have it, I have it, they're in Polish, but we gonna also translate in English in this year so probably quite soon and we were gonna put it on on on this site. I can. Now it's quite empty, but it won't be so much. I can put this also on this session. This, this link. The type of resources. Okay, yes. So the different types we on the in this first additional have websites to websites, one about cooperation math lessons very nice, and also about some tools, but also just lessons to know us just or maybe not just because it's just PDF. And the fourth one, the fourth one was quite complicated because there was some videos some interactive posters on them access they're very nice because they create access for this logarithm and this excellent just. This access shows some calculations on the logarithm and and presentations. I know that was on mathematics and last year we have also some websites and some some Google Docs some documents about art and how to use art at school. That was really nice. And this year we have, we don't have yet that this, but we will have some and also some school. We have something like like school innovations. I don't know. And this is something that if you want to change your program school program, you can use this innovation and go to your headmaster and said okay, I have this innovation and this year we create this. This type of document is very nice because it's so useful for teachers, because it's good for them. They can use it to some extra points and some in their work, but also it's very nice for kids because it's something different so we have this educational innovation this this year and I'm very happy about this we have game card game also about climate crisis and in also in editable format so here we are okay in this in this one and and this third one is like some quizzes and it's it's not finished yet. But there is really different. Yes, you heard. Well, we have this. And this body, this cat will be so cool and starting Polish, but maybe somebody would like to translate it. And because they'll be very nice about crisis and yeah. Okay. So, so as you say, we really don't say anything what kind of materials it should be there. I have this idea that I would like to try to try to invite them to create online courses, but I'm not sure it is not too big for this small project to make it, but it would be very nice to have more online courses for online schools. Okay, some more questions. Okay, so one more time thank you very much for joining me this morning and talk about open education and how to create resources with teachers but probably not only teachers or library also very like this project and participate. Yes, I think that's it. And thank you very much Alexandra because this was really great and it was fun also. Thank you. I didn't saw your picture. Just write about this. When you send the editable version of your canvas, I'm going to send you my photo. Okay. Okay, okay.