 Hey, what's up guys welcome to a another live stream today today We are me and my good friend John from the real talk are discussing annihilation. Yes This is the new brand new Alex Garland film who if you don't know what the guy did he did X Mockinac in right behind me I love X Mockinac and this is a film that I think me and John are both really excited to talk spoilers in depth So if you do join in this live stream, feel free to comment down below Me and him will gain to the live stream chat later on if no one joins in cool If you're catching this later, that's even better comment down below and tell us your thoughts on annihilation because me and John have both Sat on this for quite a while. I saw it Wednesday. I'm pretty sure you saw it Wednesday as well my friend Yeah, what's going on guys John here from the real talk like Zach said. Yeah, I saw it Wednesday night as well And it's it's a quite an interesting film. I can't wait to dive into it with you guys Yeah, no for sure. This really is like one of the most interesting films I've seen in a while and I think we should just first before we get into any seriously spoiler details John tell me your thoughts on annihilation like what are your initial thoughts? What are your thoughts now after a couple days? Yeah, well my thoughts on it. You know what like I said, I Like the film I can say I really like the film This obviously is a story in a film that you know if a director other than Alex Garland was able to like handle it I think it would have been a mess because it can be a Big mess, you know, so I think Alex Garland did a great job. There's a lot of Ambitious stuff going for the film and I think a lot of a hit for me Quickly just one of the negatives I had is like some of the storylines don't pay off and but that's pretty much it I really want to see it again though to kind of dive into like my full opinion on it You know, but that's that's just where I'm at right now. Yeah, I know I'm pretty much in that same park I walked out Really liked the film like I really liked it, but it was the same way of how I felt about it's Machina I watched it I really liked it and then a couple days later. I felt myself loving it and now after rewatching X Machina It's like one of my favorite films of all time But now I sit on this film annihilation and I'm sitting there I'm like, you know, I came out really liked it and the more and this film is stuck with me for the last couple of days Like moments in this film are like superb to the like the smallest of pieces like this film has some amazing scenes in here Which we'll get into But I really like the film. I'm just not at that loving part yet Maybe that's because I need to see it again in but I've been seriously analyzing this film I have all these other pages up and up over here of like theories I have and like stuff like that that we'll get into but Annihilation is very good film I do agree with you on that con that some storylines do not totally pay out and that some storylines really should have been paid out By the end. I think a lot of problems people have with this film is builds this whole shimmer thing up and By the end of the film a lot of questions that was given to you are never really answered They're just more of like you either have to assume or think about and Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't Yeah, exactly. I agree with you a hundred percent Like you said a lot of films it does work and then a lot of films it doesn't for me I think I agree with you on that like I said And for me I was surprised Because I thought this film was just gonna be kind of a more of a horror thriller type Which it does have some elements to it it does But it ended up being more of the story of these two main characters I believe so, you know and what they're going through and kind of how the shimmer can be like a metaphor You know for a lot of things and a lot of things inside and stuff But yeah, I don't know if you want to talk about any spoilers now or like that Yeah, well, why not like let's get into this Initially how I thought we have run this is just talk like through pretty much beginning to end where things Start we'll talk about certain scenes and then you'll give me your thoughts I'll give you my thoughts back and forth and till we get to like some of the bigger moments that we really enjoy it and pretty much Where this film starts out. It's Natalie Portman. I mean, this is a very interesting Trigging story thing for Alex Garland that decided to do is to start this film in the future Showing that she was the only survivor of this crew Which is very a risky move that I had to give on part to Alex Garland But I didn't initially say in my review but the more I'm thinking I was like That's a really risky move because like certain films that does not work at all I mean you look at John Wick to and I love John Wick to but or maybe it's John Wick One of the two John Wick's that starts in the future and you kind of know where it's kind of gonna go But it's like how is it gonna get there? Annihilation kind of works more in that park where it's like, okay, I'm sitting here and I'm like, okay Now like what was gonna be alive at the end? How did everyone else die? What is going on? It leaves for that very intriguing aspect Yeah, exactly for me. That's also I can say that Obviously that happens throughout the film that they keep going back and forth, you know from the future and then showing you how things unfold sometimes I just felt like some of the scenes were Just very short and kind of like unnecessary But I think I really liked it like again you said in a bunch of movies that can work and Some of them just don't really do it. Well, but yeah I like I said I was really surprised that this movie dives into like nine apartments character and the husband and stuff like that and it was interesting to see like you said Like who like who's gonna you like you see her but like maybe someone else survived You know, maybe she they're just you know, like another room or something, you know it was very interesting to see how it was gonna unfold and Yeah, I also liked seeing I'm forgetting the actor's name, but he was in Doctor Strange as well I know he was there. It was cool to see him there for a bit. I think his name is Benedict one Yeah, Benedict one. There you go. It was cool to see him there for for a few scenes Yeah, no totally and that's my thing is that yes, it's very risky storytelling and Going through the whole story. I was very intrigued to see how they were gonna play it out How it actually kept going back and forth after certain a big event would happen It would go back to her but then obviously after this it kind of moves in and you see Natalie Portman and she's kind of just having her own life and This is the one part that I kind of want to skip ahead to a little subplot in here, which is That the african-american guy the other teacher. I'm guessing that she works with So we see him he always say as a wife he introduced just says hey Do you want to come back and I'm assuming at this point that like she knows like I was like Okay, it's her husband dead and stuff like this like that. She already know about the shimmer and stuff and apparently she didn't But obviously right in that moment. I was like you guys fuck didn't you I'm not stupid that that little chemistry between you And obviously later on in the future. We do find this out which I Really like that subplot because a lot of that is like metaphorical to me as well like showing that like when he she's like I owe it to him like how the fuck you owe this to your husband, but in a sense it you kind of do like You forgot about him and I feel like in part of her like you said a lot of this film It shows these characters are expressing themselves going into this world Even though they have nothing really left to live for because it's technically a suicide mission You see her and it's like the reason she went in is because I feel like she feels like I did this time I pushed him away because he knew about the fare Yeah, exactly. I 100% agree with you the one that storyline that started to unfold I think though at the end of that hole, you know, I think it was her co-worker another teacher where she was teaching at It will kind of just you know died that off, you know, it wasn't really really explained But same time I know it was there to show both of the characters like Oscar Isaac's characters motivation to go in here You know, like he said it was a suicide mission. So And it also not like poor men as well to kind of give them both he's like, okay You know what I messed up, you know And originally I thought like you said if this film kind of plays around with like the time and stuff like that so I didn't know if this film like like you said of the Oscar Isaac was already dead and She was just mourning and stuff like that and that's why it kind of really tripped me out when he just showed up out of nowhere and that whole scene when they're in the Kitchen and I also want to know I want to dive in a little bit more about that cup They kept going back to that, you know I and the cup of water there and they with their hands through them and you know She all of a sudden she just took her hand away when he was kind of being a little bit bizarre I don't know if that means anything, but they definitely kind of focused on the but Um That scene is one of the scenes that I like to talk about because Alex Garland again He just takes a simple scene that you dig they're kind of just having a conversation about what happened to him But it just for me just has this great suspense to it, you know Yeah, cuz it leaves that mystery of like what is going on here and obviously by the end of the film when you get there you're like Okay, I get why he was being weird cuz this guy. I mean, it's not him. It's not him. We don't He doesn't have he doesn't know And it really makes sense going back to the beginning of the film and that cup that cup when they when it zoomed in on their hands I was like, okay, that's a really cool shot, but not only that there's some Something up with this scene that I feel like it's gonna tie in towards the end And I feel like this is another scene that I feel like a lot of this film is analyzing and to analyze it To express I feel like this is a very different type of film that I know a lot of people are gonna hate I know some people in the chat I'm looking at the chat right now a lot of people do not like this film a lot of people find it very Disappointing and boring and maybe on rewatch ability people will find to love this film Maybe I'll find the hate this film But for some reason this film really attached to me and even as we're talking about it right now I find myself liking more moments of it liking the movie more Yeah, exactly I'm there with you man Um, I almost just want to go like after this won't want to see it again, you know and I love these type of films because They're the ones that get people talking, you know Um, and we have we're able to have like this this core body and kind of dive into these films There's a lot of films just come out. Okay, cool Like game night it was meant to be you know a comedy and a fun time at the movies, but that's it but for me I really love these type of films that you can see multiple times and get different things for from it and from repeat viewings, you know and I Think definitely this is one that kind of like mother last year that was also divisive Amongst film fans and everybody has their own thing with it, you know, they liked it. They loved it. They hate it And definitely yeah, there's a lot of scenes in here that like I said just going back and Rethinking so that I make you make me look at the film and think about the film a little bit different But yeah after that I think that's when Obviously he he drinks a couple of water and you see the blood and I'm like what the heck's going on And you know before you get into that I'm looking at the chat right now Our good friend Scott Sullivan is here and he says there was no blood when Natalie Portman drank the water If you remember at the end when she takes a sip, she drinks it But when Oscar Isaac did in the beginning of the film I um, there was blood I don't know if that goes to show that like she's human and maybe this alien thing that what is ever he is now Can't drink our own water. I don't know that that's something to kind of look into But keep going on my friend No, yeah, I see that's another thing I didn't I didn't notice and Scott. Thank you for pointing that out Um, yeah, you see there's a bunch of little things that you can you know pick up on on repeat viewings and stuff like that Um, but that's another interesting take Um, so after that scene we we see like Oscar kind of you know, obviously he loses it He ends up in the ambulance and Natalie Portman gets you know hit with the uh tranquilizer thing And she wakes up in this you know whole facility. That's where we meet the rest of the cast Which includes jennifer jason lee tells of thompson, uh, jenna ride regus um real quick sec touch upon those performances because for me I some of these movies can fail in that aspect where they just introduce uh cast members and like characters But we're not really interested in them. They're just there to be specifically like killed off But for me at least in my opinion, I really like some of these characters Yeah, no totally. I thought all the performances were good. I think some people might find some actors wasted I see in here rhino tool thinks uh oscar isaac was wasted But for me, I thought oscar isaac was really good in here. Obviously. He was shown he had a small role in here I feel like it was more like hey, we work together next mock and anyone to come over for the smaller little. Oh, sure But I love the moments of when it was showing his relationship with Natalie Portman It really worked for me in that aspect. I I mean it was a better relationship than we ever saw in the fucking prequels But that's a different debate for another time. Um Natalie Portman is fantastic in here. I mean, she's always been a good actress But I really liked her nuance and her just subtlety to the role But not just her I thought the two big standouts of the film in my opinion Are jennifer jason lee who I'm honestly not a big fan of I think she I acknowledge that she's a good actress But I thought this is a fantastic performance from her Especially when as I like how the film You're pretty much in Natalie portman's eyes when she finds out something you find out something whatever she doesn't find out You don't find out Whatever's a mystery to her is a mystery to you and I feel like that's what alice garner was really going for Obviously when she finds out or when the audience finds out that hey jennifer jason lee's had character had cancer It's like she kind of was like yeah, I kind of knew it's like Okay, that that I didn't see that happening and other things that she finds out you find out other aspects of the character when the Linguist is actually talking to her telling her like hey, this is why tessa thompson's character is here This is why jena rodriguez has characters here and the other big character I want to say that I really liked in here is jena rodriguez I've never really seen the actress. I know she's been in subtle small roles, especially in tv But she was fantastic in here. I really liked her I would have loved a little bit more of tessa thompson that might be because I have a little funko of her right here And I love her as valkyrie and thor But Besides that I really like tessa thompson. Oh, she just dropped. I really like tessa thompson in here I thought she had a very subtle role as well Yeah, exactly man, um, I I thought the performances overall like were solid Even for me, I mean even though oscar isaac didn't have much of a role I thought he he did a good job and kind of portraying Like both of these sides both these characters, you know as we later find out But also for me standouts like you said nally portman Um, she's been I feel like unfortunately She's one of these actresses that like get a lot of criticism because of like thor and obviously the prequels and stuff like that But when she's good, she's fantastic man like black swan beaver vendetta I think she's really good in that as well and she really shines in this role as well Um, like you said, she just has a lot of subtlety to her She has like this motivation to keep going but same time She's afraid to like go deeper into this as well And yeah tessa thompson. I would have loved to see a little bit more of her I love that she's kind of getting more roles and stuff like that now. Um And man, I kind of picturing right now like how her her character I don't know. That's a pretty cool image. Well, we'll get flower girl Yeah, man, it's that that was awesome that again like we can probably get into the visuals, um right now too, but um going on with the cast Um, yeah, do you know redrigals was fantastic? I thought she was she's just played that kind of, you know, um Like not a villain role I don't want to see a villain role But she kind of that whole like she was going crazy, you know like and she did a fantastic job And then that scene was a craziness with oscar isaac's characters kane I mean one of the most disturbing visual scenes was when they look at the videotape Of kane and what he him and his crew was doing. I mean Uh shivers. I saw someone right in front of me in the theater get up and leave And it was it was a tense moment Yeah, surprisingly That's one of the things that I really loved about this film that since it started I knew it was going to be one of these like, okay, you got to pay attention to everything You got to really, you know, give all your attention to this movie And I I don't know about uzak, but I was just kind of like on the edge of my seat And then once moments like that were happening That's why I kind of say like my mind was blown because we actually got to see him like stabbing the stomach You know taking the skin off It's just like alex garland does a fantastic job in building that suspense and kind of it's just I was just like Oh my god, like we're actually watching this like this is actually happening. You know, and yeah, I just a director to uh Show all that I mean some directors pull away and it's like, okay the effects are worse, but this Stuck right into you. I mean for me. It's like I was watching and I was like, oh my god That's really disturbing and I think a lot of this film has those horror elements I really like this I mean even x mock and I had a lot of horror elements to it But I really like see alex garland tackle a horror film and to be honest I think this is where a lot of people Lie into this film Yes, this is a film where you do have to take a lot of attention to and pay attention to And I think if the film would have stuck a better landing for most people Like I said the ending will get into down a little bit down here But I think if it would have stuck more with the horror elements, especially with that bear creature I think the film would have worked 10 times better I think the film even though it's more of a thinking film That even though there's a ton of things in here to analyze maybe there isn't anything to analyze Maybe it's just pure visuals and they just didn't know what they were doing with it But I I feel like there was more for what alex garland was going for here Especially after seeing x mock and I have to give the guy more credit It's not like this was his first film ever And the thing with this film is that I really do wish there was a couple more horror elements I wish we would have gotten more of that bear creature tracking them down I wish we would have gotten more things with that like cutting the insides up I wish we would have gotten more of that because once the bear creature comes into the room Agena Rodriguez and then they're all tied up That was really the last of it and then after that it's kind of like okay Let's move through and then oh what the fuck's this alien thing taking a clone of me for Yeah, exactly no I agree with you I would have loved to see like maybe some other creatures as well Because man that scene has to be like Some of the best horror and like thrilling moments I've seen and even some of the recent horror movies I've seen over the last few years You know the suspense is just there you know and I was just like oh my god And just the creature design design and also that noise and me taking the like the vocals of the girl that It killed prior to that that was amazing That was something like unique that terrifies the shit out of you You know like I would have they I think Natalie Portman's character tells Tessa Thompson's characters like hey don't make any noise. I would have been like screaming Well, yeah, and I mean a lot of it goes to like how the DNA is changing within them And it seems like when the bear killed the lady and she he took an essence of her I mean they explained that and it was a very unique style I mean that bear was freaking creepy that bear and I wish it was in it more But I I was a little this one when I was like damn Tessa Thompson. You took that thing down I mean realistically if you really think about it that many bolts is gonna kill the damn bear in that head But it was just visually cool looking and I love the I mean John I think we should talk about the visuals This is one of the best-looking films. I mean out small kind of was a beautiful But the cinematography in here the way they had the shimmer shining throughout the whole Film and the backlight and the lighting in this is just great The the people that I mean the flowers that were kind of like looked like humans the atmosphere because when you got up Close it's like, okay, they don't really like a humans But from a distance it literally looked like humans had been frozen there as flowers Yeah, totally man the visuals like he said Man there were this movie was just beautiful to look at as well Cementar if you was top notch and these I feel like Alex Garland just again I has to be credited for this as well because Anybody could just go and like pop in like different colors or different things But I feel like a lot of these different colors work It had its significance to what the story was gonna try to tell as well And like I like you said those flower human things I really like that and obviously later later on we kind of find out that how they Were able to you know become like tessa thompson that was really cool to see her visually kind of transform into one of those things um But yeah, like even the creature like the whole I think it was like a Alligator shark mix or something like that. I think they were saying that was really cool. Um, and yeah like the shimmer that that was Amazing to see throughout the film that color whole color scheme And even when we got to the lighthouse when she goes into the it's a little thing Like Alice in Wonderland That was just everything in there was is really well done and just you know breathtaking. Yeah I mean even those dears. There's like cool little glitter deer. It was all cool And I wish we would have gotten more of that I wish I think that's where I say is that I think this film could have benefited with more of the horror elements Where it would have appealed to normal audience But there's also a more Analystic thing to analyze in here where if you look at a rival I think a rival is one of the films that you can analyze the hell out of but a normal audience member can come in here and watch the film Ex Machina is the same way I think anyone can watch ex machina and pretty much enjoy it Well, everyone enjoy it. No, because that's how movies are but I think there's a lot of stuff to delve deep into ex machina Annihilation carries that Now obviously with the creatures the visuals all of it is brilliant I think the big part about annihilation That really irked a lot of people is not the death scenes the death scenes are pretty cool Even though I guess tesla tomson turned into a flower and gene rodriguez well When her fucking jaw just got ripped off like let's talk about that really fast before we move on No, yeah, that was I was shocked I thought she was just gonna like get her like neck ripped out or something You know like a kind of like the other character But that was insane when that happened all which is like this this scene just like it was already like at 100 And it just took it like to like another 100 real quick, you know it was just So graphic and I was just it put me in the moment I don't know that was just something to see I was just kind of shocked throughout the whole film Yeah, same. I mean it was one of the most shocking moments of that movie But I think this is where we get to it. This is the big part of the film the big Thing where I think this is the part where I think some people will find this film boring fair enough I will totally get that that's why I said I think there should have been a little bit more horror moments and more exploring the shimmer I think the part that really gets everyone is damn ending And I think this is where we get to it. There's three major parts in the Lighthouse that we can talk about and I think the first part is when she walks in cool The aesthetics of it all look really nice. Um, I like the aesthetics of like the walls going up But the big thing is when she sees the skeleton holding the grenade and she goes and watches that videotape And it's cane who's going crazy and ends up killing himself And he says fine lana for me and you're like, well, who's he talking to and outsteps the camera is a mirrored image of himself What were you thinking to yourself john? At that point I wish I was like, okay, this this is explaining a lot, but at the same time it's not You know that the character or the person that you know came back to Um, uh, what's Natalie Portman's character's name? Um, lana lana, you know the character that came back to her lana Wasn't the husband, you know, and that kind of explains a lot too. I was just that again those little video clips that they did What the you know cutting open the stomach in this one there? It's just so well done. I know that a lot of handheld stuff could be you know be hit or miss But this one was really done as well as well Um, but yeah, I was just again Like I said in my start as app review just mind blown again. I was just like, what does this mean? This answer is why you know, like Oscar Isaacs are so weird at the same time like Like I don't know Like what does this really mean, you know, but I really liked it I also like the outside of the lighthouse real quick kind of looked like The home to those little creature things from the last Jedi it looked really good Yeah, no, I totally I totally agree that the visuals again, they're freaking beautiful But uh, the next part I want to bring into this lighthouse part is after she watches the video She discovers this she goes down the rabbit hole like you said from Alice in Wonderland And she discovers Ventress who's first shown without eyes That caught me off guard that she turns around she has eyes. I'm like, okay What the fuck happened? And for me, this is what I'm actually I like did some analyzation into this and a lot of things are saying that this is indicating This is a mere version of Ventress who explains the source of the shimmer doesn't have consciousness But it does have a drive It means to fragment everything it touches down to its smallest parts Annihilating everything presumably before rebuilding it again as mutations like those we saw in the shimmer as Lena explains Explains to Lomax later the source of the shimmer doesn't necessarily destroy it changes in a sense It annihilates what was before in order to change it but change in death aren't necessarily the same thing though They can be And this is a big thing is that I think the big question posed by an isolated annihilation is whether changes death or changes in mortality and I looking into this that question really bears a lot of minds because I'm looking into this thing And it says the concept of immortality is sprinkled throughout the whole film with lana telling kane in flashbacks The death is a fault of the human gene and then different flashbacks She's seen reading a book which this book is actually It shows and follows the true story of lax Whose cancer cells provide the immortality cell line which cells are that can Be divided and replaced or for immortality. It's very intriguing stuff there because I mean, what is the change there? And based on what we know Of lana's interest in mortality and how she talks of the shimmer in nature being to change despite its motivation to annihilate It seems feasible lana believes immortality may be achievable through the shimmers annihilation as the shimmers mutations of human genes could fix the faults that cause them That's a lot there to read into that's a lot going on there I mean, that's it's really a lot of stuff that adds to it And I mean, what are your thoughts on this? No, definitely that is a lot to To take in. Um, but yeah, it's just an interesting You know, like you said, it's just a lot of information was sprinkled Uh throughout the the film and if it kind of does make sense everything you're you're saying, you know how It's it's sort of like a copy or a mirror, you know And it's it's very interesting. I kind of don't know how to process that right now Yeah, no, it's a lot to go into but like I said, I've been analyzing the hell out of this film and thinking about it but a lot of that's like what I've really come down to in the main fracture of it and The shimmer for me. This is how I look at it It mirrors everything it always wants to survive and change and bring and build DNA together We see this in the alligator thing We see this with nature itself in this world And we see it nature pretty much taking back these constructions in these buildings and stuff And it's just it's a very intriguing aspect. But of course in that hole we see ventris Which this is probably one of the most best views visually looking parts of the film. She gets absorbed into the shimmer Elena gets close blood comes off her goes in and a mirrored self of her comes out Which we are presuming is probably what happened to kane What just happened there? I mean the what did you think of the alien that came out? I'm assuming this is all aliens. I mean it came from out of space I I I don't know what other things people could ever say against it, but What do you think about this alien? What did you think of it coming out? No, yeah, definitely. It has to be an alien You know, we saw the meteor in the beginning of the film like hitting the lighthouse, you know But yeah, like again that whole ending Like you were kind of going breaking down into little parts. It just kept getting kind of Elevated, you know, like it just kept going bigger bigger and bigger and just when that happened Yeah, visually again, it was it was beautiful to look at and it was really interesting how The whole blood, you know kind of created the the mirror image of like the alien thing And I don't know I was just like what the heck is this it kind of freaked me out as well Reminding me a little bit about like slender men, but um Yeah, it was just freaking it was very interesting to along with that when Not a poor man was trying to escape That whole scene right there Like I knew that it was just being like if she kind of just Messed with it like she eventually did like that whole little confrontation was really cool I thought it was really well done how it's just mirroring it even when she fell it fell, you know Um, but yeah, I just thought it was again a trip to seeing this whole alien being brought by you know Her blood getting into the the shimmer. Yeah Ventress like you said That was really creepy like she had no eyes or something like no face But she was somehow still talking, you know, that was creepy. I love that though too and then she just gets absorbed like that was That was insane Yeah, now This is where we get the third part thing comes up they fight And it's really visually how she had like outsmart pretty much herself But she gives it the grenade kills it and pretty much destroys the whole shimmer And we end up coming out to where it shows and she's takes her last drink of water Now this is the last question. I'm gonna post to you and I didn't even think about this until now Well, not until now. I was reading stuff into this There's two questions. I want to give to you my friend and everyone who watches us Delano really escaped the shimmer and is everything she's telling the truth Let me get to the second part first. We'll get more into Delano really escaped the shimmer in a second, but The thing i'm saying this for is because can we trust lana? This whole story we're being told is from her perspective Like I said, that's what I felt like alex garland won't tell us He's showing us from her perspective when she finds out something we find out something when she doesn't know something We don't know something Lena Is a liar throughout most of this film. She is a damn liar. That doesn't change. She has an affair She lies to the crew about her husband And overall like it feels like the story is pushing that she is a liar and can we trust her? So this story she's telling in the shimmer. Is it completely true or is this dna thing that she is bringing like that she is This dna mirrored image of her or did it just retract that lying aspect from her and lie about everything that happened Because we know Kane is dead But this mirrored image of kane is not and at the end of the film in their eyes you still see the shimmer in them So part of the shimmer be attached to her What is this does that post some questions for you guys? No, yeah, definitely. That's a very good question man and to be honest, I mean I don't know. I again I have to see the film again Um, it's a very good question. Um Yeah, like you said, it's just at the end we both see this the uh on both of them We see the shimmer so we assume but you're right She's been a liar throughout this whole and I think that's why we that whole affair thing was necessary To kind of show that as well that she's she's a liar and and all obviously like we said the motivations for each character, but Yeah, to be honest, man, I don't I don't really know. I think I Think she might not it might not be her man at the end It might just be the shimmer, you know, because like you it does Adapt, you know, it does change and stuff like that. So maybe it found a way, you know Yeah, and maybe that's why it's showing that like the blood in the beginning It hadn't adapted to kane because it just got back And that's why when she drinks the glass we are assuming okay Well, that's that's obviously her because when she drinks there's no blood But like we said like you even just said it adapts and changes So maybe it isn't her maybe it isn't It's so much questions that like analyzing this film it could take hours and hours and hours but Like I said the shimmer could there's other things that maybe she was telling the truth Maybe like this whole experience really brought her to a thing and that she really was telling the whole truth about this It really isn't her the shimmer is just a part of her now And that's why the eyes are kind of in it and anyone who leaves the shimmer might end up like that Yeah, definitely it could be kind of like a sort of mutation or something like a cause and effect of going into the shimmer and stuff But yeah, this this is why I think this film Overall, I feel like it's a good film like it's one of those films that like I said earlier It it causes us to kind of dive into it a little bit more not just see it not like kind of being like a one-off type of movie Um, and yeah, this this these are the kind of films. I really like man Yeah, no same like I really like these analyzing films and I know people You aren't gonna like this film and I will totally respect that This isn't like a star wars type of question for me or a toy story. Like if you don't fucking like toy story you're You're I you don't have to give me some pretty good reasons for not liking toy story even pattington But this is a film that like you tell me I don't like this film. I don't like it. I think it's boring You know what? I totally understand you but the thing is is that you have to also take me and john's opinion is that And get why we are like this. I mean the amount of stuff we've just gone into and gone into detail is insane There's so much about this film that i'm probably even missing and more stuff that i'm going to be able to analyze into this film I can't wait to revisit the film again. It's a film that Intrigues me and even if my theories are far-fetched and making me think and just thinking outside the box That's cool. That's what movies are about. That's what's the best thing about movies So john give me your final thoughts before we get down to like the live chat And then we'll kind of just go throughout that and finish up the spoiler chat Yeah, man, like I said final thoughts. I really like this movie. I do have a re-open my channel So if you guys are more interested to see sort of my thoughts on it, that's going to be Uh on on my channel and yeah, I really like this film. I definitely do really want to see it again It's one of those films that it is made to be Viewed and analyzed and I can't wait to like I feel like we were barely scratching the surface, you know um So yeah, I definitely can't wait to see it again I really recommend it if you really like a fan of film and yeah, like you said I do understand like if people You know what? I saw it sucked. I didn't get it. You know, I understand. I'm not gonna be a you know What now you're wrong, you know, I completely understand why some people could come into this expecting something else You know and then getting some like completely something else kind of like it comes at night as well But yeah, I really like this film. I recommend it. I can't wait to see it again Yeah, no, totally agree Uh now so I'm gonna get straight into the live chat and you me will kind of go back and forth So I see fluffy bands reviews in here. Donatella Cody Curtis, of course, ryanal tool Cody Hughes The real talk you and me and scott solven is also here. So going through Uh ryanal as you guys can tell from my review. I did not like this film Obviously ryan obviously Cody Hughes, honestly, I thought annihilation one of the greatest films in the year So far the actors were outstanding the biggest problem I had was the unnecessary subplot with one of lana's co-workers Now me and john both talked about that I think that The part actually matters to be in there. It really developed that character more and showed us that she's a fucking liar You agree john No, yeah, I definitely like I can see why like because that was one of my things high I I felt like it wasn't wrapped up. Well, but it was necessary to to kind of explain both the character's motivations Yeah, so for sure Scott solven it seems like we're the only two on here if you didn't like it ryanal tool and him Yeah, you know, but it's fair to not like the film Maybe later down the row when you guys watch you and you might like it more Can't tell you how many one of my favorite films of all time wolf of all sheet I hated that film when I first saw it and now it's my favorite film of all time. So sometimes things change Uh ryanal tool oscar isaac was so wasted in this movie. I don't think so though. I think he was pretty much Worth in this movie. I think he gave his gravitas to it. He was in a main character Of course, it would have liked to see him more, but I thought his accent was really good I thought his development in here was gonna he played a very subtle role I think a lot of these other supporting characters played very subtle rules Yeah, exactly. Um, I I really think so as well I think as a performance wise he did give a great performance But I feel like at the end of the day it was more of a lina's in and in the nylon apartment's story as well, you know Um, so then we have kodi hugh saying there's nothing wrong with not liking this movie. Uh, it's divisive It's a divisive movie and it's 2018's mother. Like I said, yeah, I compared it to mother earlier. Um, it's one of those films again that Everybody obviously film is subjective, but with a film like this, you're gonna go in and kind of have a split audience Like, okay, I didn't like it. I didn't get it. I didn't you know, then we have People like us who really kind of analyzing it and know that okay. We understand what alex garland was kind of going for Yeah, no, I totally agree with you on that and I mean mother. I Freaking loved mother technical aspect and the story aspect. Tell me you hate it. Totally understand that as well um Let's see kodi kodi hugh's uh, I got a lot or no, sorry rhino tool. I got lots of arrival as well And I love the rival. Yeah, there was a lot of arrival aspects in there. Um kodi hugh's I also I felt Gina Rodriguez was underrated. Yeah, I wish more people were mentioning the other supporting cast in their reviews I feel like no one's really talking about them Yeah, same like I said, I really liked her too. Um, I I agree with that that she was underrated Um, she gave a great performance. Yeah, we haven't really seen her a lot in in the movies. I think she was in one Uh, bigger film. I think maybe last year and I think she's known more for tv So I can't wait to see more of her. Um, but yeah, we have scott selvin Let me see same mention of you arrival. Yeah, also touching a little bit about that arrival Yeah, I did give me a lot of vibes of arrival and um, I was happy to see that uh, the flick pick also thought the same thing so Yeah, no, I totally agree on that and I mean the cloverfield paradox as well I can kind of see that in there even though I fucking hated that movie Fucking trash Uh, just scott selvin. I hated jennifer jason lee's character. Hey, you know, that's fair though Like I hated her too. And if I thought she was pretty good in it I thought she was well written even though I think she just plays jennifer jason lee plays those characters really well As a bitch so pretty much um Ryan so I'm glad I rewatched x mocking before seeing annihilation thought made me it made me appreciate the visuals even more from garland Yeah garland's a visual master at like all of his films. I I love him I like I said, this is the reason I want to see him do a full on horror film Yeah, exactly. I feel like um, he's a director to look out for obviously both his films Real quick for x mocking. Uh, I went out of that film. I liked it But revisiting it. I don't like it as much as use act, you know, but I do really appreciate it, you know And like alex garland, uh, like I said, I would actually really like to see him do a horror movie too Because like I said, some of those scenes in this film are some of the best horror that I've seen And even some of the recent horror films have come out, you know, yeah, totally true Uh, scott's open. Are you sure you didn't get up and leave because the movie is bad? Okay from there if you guys are watching right now scott This is the part where I said, yeah, someone in front of me got up and like, I know I heard him go Oh god, what the fuck and just walked out Yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe maybe but I'm he yeah, what the fuck uh rattle tool, um The that creature creeped me out. Yeah, the creature did creep me out And then um, Cody, he was the best scene in the movie was the skeleton bear scene This is probably the most intense scenes I've ever seen. It was so beautiful in a weird Movie. Yeah, it was a beautiful Scene but also a weird fucking part Yeah, I do I agree it was just Man, I just keep hearing that freaking voice screech thing in my head and it's just terrifies me every time Yeah, no, it was really hard Um round to x machina so good round to way better than annihilation scott solvon x machina is like an a plus for me Uh scott solvon, I think this movie would have worked better as a short film They took away too long to enter the shimmer. I agree on that. I wish they would have gone to the shimmer Like that but for people who have not read the book that this is based on I was I was telling john before this I was doing research on it the book actually takes even longer to get into the shimmer And the book is very different from here And I even had a friend who has read the book and he says the movie is so much more superior to the book And he said reading the book he does give a little bit more details But he said the movie is so much more superior to the book. So take that as what you will um, let's see Scott solvon everything the lighthouse was amazing. Yeah, it was Ronald tool still don't get it. Zach. Yeah, some of the stuff I'm saying. I don't really get either Ronald tool slender man. Yes, I agree. I really like that slender man thing that you said john I thought that was very true about the creature in there. It took a lot of the elements of designs from there And I like the it had like a shimmer to it like a reflection. It's cool Yeah, definitely. And then also I now that you just mentioned that um When she kept looking back at the dna It kind of had like these little tentacle things So that's why I don't know it just made me think about slender man a little bit even more Yeah, no, I totally agree now John i'm i'm gonna ask you this. What do you like more this or x machina? um to be honest I think I think I like this one A little bit more, but I do have to see it again to and even revisit x machina again to kind of uh To really say but right now I I kind of i'm kind of leaving towards this one Okay, and I can understand that I mean i'm i'm more on the x machina side again If I see this film it might totally change But uh x machina was just more of a maybe it's because that dancing with oscar isaac. Maybe that's why I just like that That's how I would be if I was dancing like just kind of like that stuff like But maybe that maybe that's why i'm kind of uh scott solbin. I like all these ideas about your interpretation But I still didn't make it a good movie for me. That's fair enough. That is fair That's what's the best thing about movies is ronald tool. Of course. She is a liar lol true Oh channelers videos this year. Nice to have them in here. This is where I'm at I look at this movie and I see a visual aspect that wants me to give out my own interpretation But once I hear so much exposition logic logistics inside the film decides to forget My expectations and to go a more clearer route. That's the total opposite of what I thought it was intending to do I take that I take it um I like I said the visuals. I think everyone loves the visuals I think if someone comes in and says it's a shitty looking movie, you're a shitty looking person. Sorry Um, oh tater master tater. I can never say this name right tater meister is in here I don't care if I haven't seen it, but I don't care. Oh my god. John is in the stream. Whoo When can we do a stream together? Hey, you know, it's one day one day It's very hard to do me a stream It's really I'm really glad I got john on here to talk about this because this is that's why I mean The reason we were just gonna film review But I think it's nicer to have a live chat about this because this is a film that Is for film lovers and just people who love film to talk about it's an easy back and forth with there And um, it's really good. I see tarence isn't here. He's about to go see it. I hope you enjoy it Says alex gets better with each movie facts. Um Some aspects. Yeah, I think this film is more beautiful looking than x machina I think it opens up bigger questions than x machina did and I think to end this I think Uh, really that's it for the chat Before we really get to our final thoughts again and say our goodbyes and say where to find us at I do have to say one more thing about this film is that paramount pictures I give you big balls big brass balls for letting alex garland do what the hell he wanted to do with this film That takes a lot of guts to let this director be like, hey You can literally do whatever you want with this movie Go for it do it and they let him and obviously maybe this is the reason they sold it to netflix So it can kind of be wherever But in the end of the day, I really ended up liking annihilation. I really like it. I'm It's in my top five for this year for sure Again, I might see it again I might be just kind of like yep all my theories are just total bullshit And I'm just trying to make excuses for the film or I might be like and maybe I'll see it again Be like nope My theories are more assured forever and I actually love this film I'm gonna try and see it again this weekend, but I surely didn't really like this film and I Am happy with the film very happy It didn't hit my hype level that I had it for because this is one of my most satisfied films, but it definitely didn't I didn't was not disappointed. I really liked the film Yeah, and I think that's why I turned out to like it a little bit more the next marking I kind of like it really came out liking the film because I wasn't really looking forward to this one Like I saw the trailer. Okay, cool. Alex garland. Like, you know, I liked x markina But yeah, this film I can't wait to see it again. Like you said, hopefully this weekend It did, you know, like I said, I wasn't really looking forward to it, you know But it did pass my expectations a very good looking film and Yeah, I think that's that's pretty much it man Yeah, so the last thing I see is a um data master says do you think we'll get a sequel? I don't I really don't I think Alex garland isn't that type of guy to go do a sequel for this film Even though there's a sequel to the book, but if you read into what the sequel is it's it doesn't make sense to for them to make another movie. Um Scott was saying, uh, I may have disliked the movie but reading the half-started audience for views on rotten tomato makes me mad. Yeah People are ignorant when it comes to film like appreciate the film like don't totally trash it If you're a fan of 50 shades darker and you like this film more You're just you don't have any taste in movies. I'm sorry. Like I'm very sorry At all, but I think that's where we're gonna end this chat guys. This was a really fun discussion John for people who watch my channel and aren't subscribed to you Give them a good reason to come over to your channel as as much as I'll already say this I love john. I love watching his videos. He has really good Just his just I love his mind when he talks about films. So john tell him where they can find you at Yeah, guys, you guys can find me at the real talk, uh on youtube here Uh, yeah, I do more reviews right now I'm having an event sort of thing going on wrote to infinity war which zaks gonna be on that as well Uh, so you can look forward to that and uh, yeah I just do my own thing review movies and also on social media You guys can follow me at the real talk talk with two k's and also on stardust just at the real talk Awesome man, john. Thank you so much for joining me for this live discussion. This is a ton of fun I had a I really really really like talking with you I think this really made me more clear that I actually do really like the film and it's not just me being like Oh, yeah, I kind of like this film now I I really ended up joining and I think this discussion really helped me in the end Really like that. I think it was kind of the same way for you. Am I right? No, yeah, definitely. It was one of these films where I'm like, okay, I like it But now I'm like, okay, you know, I really do like it Yeah, I know I think that's how we're both are but this was a really fun discussion, man Thank you so much for joining me guys make sure to go subscribe to john from the real talk I'll be making sure to put his link down below in the comments and in the bio So you guys can go check him out He's a he's a great part of the community for youtube and this guy is very underrated on him this youtube platforms Make sure you go check him out really happy to know this guy have a good friend in him And of course me and him will be going to the live event for the schmo down So I'll be the ton of fun. I'm sure me and him will probably make a video out there We just have to can't wait for that But uh, yeah, so that's our review of annihilation Please comment down below if you guys caught this later and tell us what did you guys think about annihilation? Are you disappointed in it? Did you freaking fucking hate this film or do you love the film that? That's what we're here to talk about and yes I'm cussing a lot more because guess what monetization is gone. I don't care. I'll say whatever I want But seriously, you guys are all the best I really appreciate all your guys love and support and I can't wait to talk with you guys about this film And always of course, you know what I'm gonna say next go check out sandwich on films Also down below it's the website I'm a part of where you guys could have maybe seen annihilation early But we also have movie screenings coming up for other films like a wrinkle in time Ready Player One and of course Tomb Raider. Yes, that may be okay-ish good movie, but Guys until next time stay classy and have a great rest of your day