 Very good morning to you. Thank you so much for being part of today's morning conversation. My name is Ram Agukur. This is why in the morning you're just in time for the next conversation of the day it is all about youth and politics on this particular Monday morning. Now we shall take a look at what has been trending in the past one week. What is it that we need to look out for even in the coming few days? mtia, hawa ni ndifu ni lansu hu, muwezwimill. Hizbili mnupai kuwa itajama Zemeibu. Hizbili mnuwa tohizu, GNSM, Haonrabu Rila, Amolo Odinga, na hawa na wazu? II, mtia, Mtia, kwa gustia, kama t himanye, To my extreme far right, I'm joined by Gerald Minishi. He is also a political analyst. Now, there is a company called GM. I am joined by GM Geraldine Mururi and Gerald Minishi. Coincidentally, when I saw their names, I said I must pair these two. So, let me start with you Geraldine. Tell us a bit about what you do. I'm Geraldine. I'm a political specialist. I do political strategies, grass root type of strategies and I work with data a lot. I'm a thought leader. Basically, I think through data, work through data and come up with strategies that help with the grass root mobilization and implementation of projects. I mostly with the youth and women. I'd like to say I champion for more participation of women and youth in the political space. We want to see more youth and more women in parliament 2022. Of course, this time around we are seeing many youth and women coming up. Definitely. So, we want more. We don't want to fight for the two that gender role. You live with that aside? No. We want to make sure that... It's more than to that? It is more than, yeah. Geraldine, tell us a bit about yourself. I'm Geraldine. I'm a diplomat. I'm an author of two books. Actually, the two books are focused on politics. One is titled Evolving and Revolting World, Anatomy of the 21st Century. Another one is New Horizons and Intentive Venture. Generally, those two books focus on the challenges of the 21st century. They are solutions and what to foresee in the future. I'm also a poet and I'm also a chairperson of the Sensation Youth Empowerment Movement which solely focuses on youth empowerment. It's an unprofit organization that we began in when I was in third year at campus. Wow. I'm happy to join you this morning. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward for an interesting conversation. Thank you. I love poetry. I love poetry. I also do. I do write poetry. You write? Yes. You write poems? Poem. Poems? Yes. I don't know if it's a little bit bad that you say it's time to, I say, kila mne mne, kwa naishima? That's the poem I remember. Do you know that thing in that poem? I remember. Kila? Kila mne mne. Kila mne mne. Kila mne mne mne. Kila mne mne mne. Kwa naishima? Kwa naishima? Kwa naishima? Jumpa. Kwa naishima? Hensaki, in the morning at Rumba. We're fantastic guests. You don't have to miss this particular conversation. Engage with us. Remember we're coming to your life on our website also www.kBC.co.key. kwe 4slash y254. Now, the deputy president William Ruto is said to pitch camp in ODIM strongholds this week toward the region into supporting his 2022 presidential bid. Now, the deputy president has planned to a series of activities in Kisumu, Bigori, and Homa Bay. He is said to pitch camp in this, in the Nyanza region this week. This is, for some, they consider this as a daring move, taking his asla movement campaigns to these three particular regions in Nyanza. Even as he said on Saturday that he is ready to work with the Waipa leader, that is Honrabu Kalonzo Musioka. Let me start with you, Geraldine. All the Urayo thousand regards to this particular move here. Good move, bad move. And he is considering, you know, to bring in allies, more allies from other parts. In fact, he is even saying that if anyone even from Jubilee wants to come, let them join UDA, your voice in regards to that. My voice is what I think, first of all, well, he's been telling for us the hasla narrative, as young people telling us how we should household it. And for me, I don't subscribe to it. Let me start there because I believe the youth can be owners of property. They can be owners. We are not scavengers. And the hasla narrative basically puts us at a position that we are scavengers. In any hour of work, we can't be owners of things. It is being given those little things and to keep scavenging and not owning things. And I don't think this should be, first of all, a narrative that we should be telling the youth because we're still young. We should be telling the youth you can own things, you can grow, you can become. So I think, first of all, this is not a narrative that we should be lessing the youth buying into and the young people. So as much as it's going to Nyanza, I think the youth are starting to see the light. So it may not be such a big move or something. He's been campaigning for the past four years and we've just started seeing the other aspirants coming now. And I think that is why he even says they need to start calling for allies and all that. We can't dismiss Kalonzo for sure, but we've seen through the years Kalonzo sits on the fence all the time and he, most of the time, I've seen him doing rounds that every presidential election he threatened to buy for presidency, which never happened. So I don't think it's not something to ignore that Kalonzo might want to join. Yeah, want to buy. For presidency. And anyway, they've been saying, Kalonzo has been saying that they are not, the door to be pulled into something. You see, there has been this vibe going around that they are being requested to support a certain candidate. It would be a ring call then if he's not buying and he's going to jump into another... Is this a bold move for him to make going to ODIM leader Rayla Odinga's stronghold? And is it even going to be successful? Well, in my introspection, I think that the DP Ruto going to Nyanza to sell his agenda there is not bad because first of all, Kenya is a democratic country and anyone has the right to go wherever he wants to go, wherever county wants to go to sell their agenda. But I'm concerned about the political agenda or the political manifestos of these political leaders. We have to put into consideration that our political leaders invariably they have tended to focus so much on next elections as opposed to next generations. And I don't think that they are so much concerned about we the common one inch at the grassroot level. They are just championing for their political interest. And it's a high time that we have to raise our voices high up the political agenda so that mainstream politicians can buy it and act on it very quickly. Ruto, whether it's OKA, whether it's UDA, I have no problem with this political, different political factions. But I have a problem with the leadership of this country. It's a high time that at least we should change the narratives. The Hassela narrative, for example, as my colleague has said, it's cultivating a false illusion of consensus. And as a country, I think we are punching below our weight and it's repugnant. If you look at the OKA, the deputy president made extended an olive branch to all of them. Here we are looking at Honorable Musala Mudavadi, Honorable Gideon Moi, Honorable Moses Utangula and Honorable Kalonzo Musioka. And he said that they should join him on this bandua gone off UDA in his party and give him strength on this other side. Is that a political move that can change the conversation? Well, I'm not sure it will change the conversation, but I think it's just a peer stand from different political spectrums. Why am I saying this? For example, if you look at OKA, in my opinion, I think those leaders, they don't know actually what they want. Somebody like Kutangula, look, somebody like Kutangula, he wants to vie for presidency. Somebody like Kalonzo. There are people, they just change the decision overnight. So, and I will not be surprised even if they join UDA or whether they choose to join Raila on the other side in UDM, but the key question that we need to focus ourselves or rather to ask is that which leader should we Kenyans elect for that presidential seat? And if we choose that leadership, are we choosing him based on the content of his character and leadership performance and maybe developing track or we are just choosing him because of ethnic affiliations or political affiliations? Let me get you clearly. Are you saying that the OKA leaders are inconsistent? Yes, I think they are inconsistent. If you look at history, look at them individually. Yes, I think all of them. Mudavadi, Kalonzo, all of them. I am saying you are smiling. Yeah, smiling because I think he is right, but I think it is true he is right. These people are never consistent. They are always changing and because of this they have also lost ground in their various places. For example, if we look at Kalonzo we now have Ngillu. We have Mutua. Mutua, we have this one for Kituwi. It's called Makweni. Exactly. So they can't say that the privilege, they had the last time of saying for example, we know Kenyan politics sometimes are boiled down to our tribal cocoons. Like who's a kingpin and all that. So we can't for sure say that Kalonzo is now the kingpin in Kambani. We've seen that narrative change. We've seen apparently even the others, Kenyan Mutua, Kivu, that want to buy also for presidency and have a following. So basically he won't say that moving to Uda who will carry the whole of Kambani votes. It won't have an effect. It won't really have that huge effect. I think also the Mananchi is coming to life. Can we say that? They are making their own decisions. So he won't say that he's carried the whole of Kambani votes to Uda. Now I'm looking at what the deputy president said, accusing Jubilee Party if at all we're talking about inconsistency. He said that he took issue with Jubilee Party to back Rila Odinga in the coming elections that it is unfair to millions who voted the Jubilee Party into office in the year 2012. No, he can't talk like that because first of all he has not been a part of Jubilee Party for the longest time. He publicly, first of all I think after the second elections for presidency he immediately started campaigning whereas they had laid very good strategies with the president for the things that were to be done so that they can complete. We know very well for example completing all the things they had planned to do wouldn't have happened in the first five years so it was to be completed in the next five years but immediately after elections he started campaigning and even left the party we've been seeing him championing for another party's agenda which I think this is something we should look into with the parties their regulations the minute you start championing for another or start to behave in a manner to suggest that you belong to a different party then it is the wise thing for you to live and then go champion for that party so he cannot say that Jubilee has taken up another candidate because basically he's no longer a member of Jubilee Party he might not have said it and left but his actions have purported that he's already not a member of Jubilee Party so it would be very wrong for him to accuse Jubilee Party of not supposing him whereas he's not a member but what led to that because in his view the deputy president is associating the problems of Jubilee to the association between Jubilee and Robert Ryle of Dinka and of course dating back to the handshake and that's why we are here today and we have in this particular conversation where he is now extending for lack of a better term a handshake to the ochre leaders well we can say for once even he was a handshake in 2013 and in the previous year also it was a handshake also between him and Vuru then why else would he have a problem when the president talks sometimes we were in Sagana he called us to Sagana I will soon listen to his conversation every time what he talks about is unity of purpose having he talks about the continuity of a nation it's not about an individual's personal interest but Kenya is a nation it's about the economic continuity it's about the peace of a nation and this was the reason why he extended the handshake to Ryle because after the elections we saw the way the country was at unrest every Monday there was a demonstration in town businesses were not going on exactly but immediately the handshake happened there was peace business happened everything continued happening the mamamboga who was purported to be we will not mention was at peace could be able to hold their businesses every day and do their things and yet now somebody claims to say that handshake was bad I don't think I do not see why we would be having a problem with a handshake your voice on that you remember the independent constitution in 2010 when Kenya promulgated the new constitution was supposed to address some key issues part of it was the historical injustice land reforms bringing national unity of which the deputy president mentioned the issue of the failed referendum bringing a speech yesterday and this issue about national unity it is cross cutting it is cross cutting because the issue about handshake is a matter of national unity deputy president is not comfortable the handshake between Uru Kenyatta Uru Kenyatta it is double standard for him to extend that same hand to Oka these are the deputy president said over 8 million people voted Jubilee into office and some people have decided to back Rila against the wishes of the voters and this is very wrong this is very interesting because first if you are a president and I am your deputy it is important I call eventually a constitution that you respect the president you cannot come for example it is just the first time in office then you have said campaigning you are derailing therefore agenda Uru Kenyatta was supposed to implement so I think it is just the guy is just playing piercestans the fact that even if Uru supports Rila in the long run I think it is just great because in the same vein deputy president has not been loyal to his to his boss so so we are laughing because I am monitoring who to what has had this those who voted for Jubilee those who put it in power wasn't he a Jubilevan button and now he isn't and also he may not have resigned officially because he keeps saying he is the deputy but he is the he is exactly who would resign but he is already campaigning for another party's cost and anyway we have seen over the past few days as Baba Rila has been moving around Mount Kenya region of which has over 8 million voters and he has been welcomed very well so I am wondering which voters are these that it is against their will okay it is against the will of the voters no it is not against the will no it is against the will I am looking at the the other side where we are seeing the deputy president now saying that the oka leaders should not be coerced into supporting Rila Odinga you thought on that are you seeing coersion here and should the oka leaders listen to the voice of the deputy president I think the oka team made a statement and said they are not being coerced it was some time last week if I am not wrong and also I can say for sure I have attended a forum where we as the Mount Kenya people have sat down and listened to the oka team also we I think you heard of the MKF the Mount Kenya Foundation sat down and listened to Rila first and then another opportunity was given to listen to the oka team what was happening during last week was it the other week the other week it also sat down and listened to the oka team now when it is coercing the oka team everyone has been given an equal opportunity as I have said the Mount Kenya region has over 8 million votes and this is why every candidate is focusing towards it because if they are to win they need at least 10% of these 8 million votes so the Mount Kenya right now is a very what do we say that bright that everyone wants that girl everyone wants for themselves so we can say they have been coerced I have not seen them publicly come out and say they have been coerced apart from when they have several meetings with maybe the president and the others then people assume it doesn't come from them the people start assuming they have been coerced to support that candidate but I think last week they made a statement that claimed they were not being coerced I think it was the same way they are being extended for the the way the deputy is extending for them is the same way they are being extended this other side so I don't see why he is an extension but to their side is a question I want us to talk about Jubilee and specifically looking at what the Secretary General of Jubilee Honorable Rafa Tuju said this was last week and he says our discussions with ODM are ongoing their discussions which are being done at the level of the two party leaders that's what he said and he said that it is beyond my pay grade to divide something to you which can come up at the level of the two party leaders now currently as we speak there is something that is coming up and we believe that this might be a conversation that might change the whole dynamics in Jubilee party the National Delegates Convention the NDC coming up and this comes to you Geraldine are we seeing a change in Jubilee party and what should what is your expectation in regards to this particular meeting now because last week the Secretary General revealed that the party was planning to hold that particular meeting and it has now been called that is expected to among others ratify the coalition agreement between the two outfits firstly I think it's about time I think it's about time we've been hearing this divorce all the time the deputy president is already elsewhere and all that I think it's also a democratic right for anyone that feels they want to belong to another party to specifically do so so I think this is this is the time for the Jubilee party to allow those that feel they should be elsewhere to be like them and to remain those that are loyal to the party to continue being members at peace and to clarify all these things that have been happening all those who've been wanting some people started behaving in a manner to suggest that they are no longer in Jubilee quite a long time ago so it's about time it's very funny now that they've been told it's okay it's about time for you to be wherever you want they start now fighting that they are being chased away in the past few years we've seen them even in elections for example in Kiamba where we needed Jubilee we had Jubilee candidates people who purport to be in Jubilee to be Jubilee members already championing for our candidates of another party so I don't see why it should be a problem now that they are being told okay then be wherever you want to be so I think it's a good it's a good time it's about time for the Jubilee party and to have its members legitimize its members and show the world it's still there it's the ruling party it has its members and it has delivered Milisha what do you think about this the SG of Jubilee said that it is very important to appreciate that this is a political office I would be a very worried person if nobody expresses dissatisfaction with my work I'd be worried if nobody was hitting me every other day ya you know that they come in conference for Jubilee the thing is going to be interesting because I'm looking forward first of all refer to you say that as a party they are going to expel dipirutu although it has not come out clearly but if that happens and I'm looking forward I think it may happen it may not have so much impact on a ruto because that guy in this matters he is playing tactics here and there he is an astute politician he is an astute politician so that conference that is coming for Jubilee it may also announce an alliance with the ODM Jubilee and ODM a partnership to have one candidate who will stand for presidents what are the ramifications that you are seeing as an individual regards to this NTC meeting especially politically moving forward to the presidential bid that is coming up in 2022 I think it will make clear for example when Jubilee and ODM partner dipirutu now will get a chance for example to say that I came out of Jubilee because of this and this and this I came and formed UDA because of this and this and also it will have an effect on public attitude and the votes people will turn out I am a personal believe that in 2022 most people will turn out for voting I hope this meeting will be a successful one that will change the whole conversation Definitely I think it will be and then I think it is a good move One thing I know to believe is not to repeat the mistake it did when it was TNA where it marched and lost the TNA outfit completely and now you are feeling like it is the one going to do the UDA thing we mean hearing much about TNA Exactly because they marched they didn't have a coalition they had a merger where they totally lost TNA and that's why I'm wondering should we go back? I don't think that's even an option I don't think it would be wise to have a merger again with ODM or something I think it would be good to have a coalition Azimi o Laumodra say maybe where we had the Nasa and had all these other parties such that when they feel it's they can no longer work together then the parties then go back to the original outfit so I think it would be nice to remain at the Jubilee party not going to a merger again just with the Jubilee party if it's ODM or whatever then maybe we can have a coalition Let's talk about ODM Now ODM leader Railu Denga yesterday continued to keep us guessing in a way It was interesting when he was talking because he has set the stage for his fifth star but the presidency by launching the countrywide tours under the Azimi o Laumodra movement Now he said this and I quote I have been moving around the country rallying our people to unite the region south rift and Nairobi I will announce whether I will be on the ballot on December 9th in Nairobi Yes sir Railu must be on the ballot on December 9th I know Railu cannot support any person Railu will declare on the show but he will declare he has not declared It's like telling me that deputy president can support someone else even if they make an alliance with the UDF it's almost impossible Even if the UDF come to join they are the ones who will support the deputy president for his seat and so we expect Railu no matter what he is going to buy us and that's the reason why he defected from Jubilee one of the reasons is because he feared that they may deny him the ticket to buy for the presidency so he went and formed UDF just as a collateral so that if they fail maybe to declare him or to give him that ticket to buy for presidency then he can now use the UDF as a bargaining chip At least he will have said this Railu has to be on the ballot he has been one of the people that have once said the very best for this country for the longest time I think it's time now for him to become the pillar of this nation so we've seen him doing the rounds and we've seen previously he had been told that it would be very hard to climb Mount Kenya like a little non and I couldn't believe what I saw I remember the during the celebrations we had in Kirinaga in Kirinaga he said that he he was a tractor I also had that yesterday so Ken was asking in Nairobi to climb the mountain is it easier with a tractor or with a wheelbarrow which was very interesting I love how people use imagery it is very interesting how far do you see it going especially getting into the grass in regards to the grass root level I think it is a very good it's a very good campaign because it's the unity of purpose it's the continuity of this nation it's not about an individual's interest it is what's best for this nation shared purpose as a nation unity so that we do not see a repeat of the post election violence it's the unity not the same things shared prosperity for the nation and I think having this will be a key thing in the coming government because we will want to see some of the things that as we were saying the constitution was supposed to see for example in the Mount Kenya region we have constituencies that have very huge populations like in Kambu we have one that has over 450,000 people rural whereas when an MP is getting the CDF is given the same amount with someone who has another constituency that has 20,000 people so it will be important for this nation where it's the unity of purpose when we are united what can we do how can we ensure that resources are equitably distributed how do we see that gender is considered in the next parliament how do we see serikali avijana you know so I think it will do very well on the grassroots level because it is something the country needs not just want or aspire this nation needs for its continuity you are talking about the unity of purpose in the words of Kofi Anani he said that nothing can be more dangerous to our efforts to build peace and development than a world divided around religious ethical cultural lines in each nation and among all nations we must build a society based on shared humanity and just as my colleague here has said shared humanity and shared unity to the unity of purpose I think it gives us a peace that we need to work in partnerships and Kenya being a democracy inasmuch as the freedom house categorized us as a partial democratic state but at least we have domesticated some ideals of democracy and that one of them being that we are a multi-party state this multi-party should not be exploited by skupa politicians for their own selfish interest but it should be for the interest of the common one let me quote this I had promised that I will ensure every poor family gets a stipend of 6,000 cancellings per month this is called the social protection fund it happens in other countries like the UK and Germany we are poor families who cannot fend for themselves as supported by government the Americans have come up against this particular statement yes you know what they realize is that we are a developing country and that thing invariably usually happens in the developed world and not again is the 6,000 stipend granted it can have an impact on the proletariat and the lower class Kenyans but let us come to think of it how is that going to be to be achieved and it brings the question that is very important that we need to ask ourselves the question of the Mugaguri we are having so many demagogues in Kenya most of these politicians if you ask me most of these presidential aspirants they are demagogues just want to come for example if I know that you have a problem of water I will come and bring you 7 tons or I will drill 1,000 boreholes of water just to suit your interest when I come maybe to combine where is doubt I will come there and say I will do this is that the case for this for 6,000 how are you going to achieve that yes we are being overburied by foreign debts it is impossible but by profession and how are you going to do this particular numbers I understand where he came from I have seen part of the things he would want to do for this nation and one of them is his I have seen what do you call it in his manifesto for remember we sat him down not a long time ago as the youth of Mount Kenya he at UN and we listened to him and he listened to us and the things we had asked for and one of the things that I saw and listened was that its stability one of the things he is looking at is stability and a conducive environment to thrive and carry out businesses so as a social safety net this would be if well implemented its doable how this is doable because I sat down with some people who are thinking through it is that you see how you form chamas in things like that where you have psychosocial support groups they are called villages exactly like this there is a village savings and learnings so with this then with that 6000 shillings if they form the social those psychosocial support groups select the boda boda people form one the graduates who are out there doing their 1, 2, 3 form something in groups then it is possible you see all these funds that we have had previously misappropriated then its doable for example the youth fund, the women fund in organized groups it is possible to do that 6000 shillings another thing I have seen him championing and he told us during that day he will continue as president is fighting corruption because this is one of the places that funds in Kenya get lost but then how do you still ensure that this is successful distributing the 6000 equally among all Kenyans regardless of the issue of money being siphoned and corruption how successful is or the success rate of this particular project if you look at one of the things he has also said he will do in the things his manifesto is doing he is saying that he will ensure he keeps a data base he maintains a data bank for the skills and skills that labor group here so that then he has organized labor you can know who is where and you know with classified data you will be able to know these are the people that require these 6000 shillings and this way you are able to do also the monitoring and evaluation and I have seen this happen I think I have of the contrary opinion because Kenya is a closed political system and since we are a closed political system there are no checks and balances look at the executive the judiciary even the independence of the judiciary at Colom 59 of the Kenyan constitution it is not even something that it has not even been effective and this issue about 6000 monthly Steven by Rayla it is a question of distribution of wealth yes we know there is a saying that not even a saying there is a scholar who say that we are a rich continent but paradoxically Africa is also the poorest continent why because we have the rich resources but we cannot utilize this even if we utilize it it is for the oligax for the wealthy so the question is about distribution and that explains how our public administration is very compromised even if Rayla maybe he affects into a law the fact is how are we going to distribute because you cannot work alone that's the reality now he said this and still on you Gerald he said we do not want to see our people going without food this is why I have said that every family that has no source of income will get 6000 I have served as a prime minister I understand the economy and I know where the money is I know all the loopholes where the public funds are siphoned I will seal all of them and make money available for people when he was the prime minister he could have done what he has said he could have implemented that thing the 6000 I think Rayla is not a bad deal he is an astute politician but the only place where I disagree with them is the issue about that 6000 monthly because we do not have the mechanism to implement that kind of so are you saying if the mechanisms are put in place it is doable if the mechanism is put in place distribution of resources is equal I think it can work Kenya has a lot of money so the 6000 can work it can work if we are accountable for every change the problem is the mechanisms if the mechanisms are put in place let me talk about one mechanism then we carry we tried he said that the Kenna Revial Authority should not hara small and medium sized businesses or traders but should instead create a conducive environment of doing business and he said that he will also interestingly ensure that he works with the president as of now this is extending the Kazim Tani program until August next year is that one mechanism that can how do you see it taking us to the next level actually that has already started working last week I was in a place in Ghidurahi I was listening to the young people and they were saying it has already taken place the Kazim Tani so that's one mechanism where families young families you know most of the time forget that the youth also have families they are families that are headed by youth and they are struggling the Kazim Tani has been a project that has really helped the young people be able to do the next thing to earn something in their pocket so that's one mechanism for sure and also that one the carry not harassing the small businesses I think these are some of the things that BBI was not that bad at all because it was offering solutions and the implementation process of how they should be done to achieve them and this was one of the things for example the tax I think these are some of the things we would want him to find a way to have them implemented or whoever the next president is going to be we need for example that tax for the young people that's a conducive environment as much as you've been promised let me now say maybe that's it thousand maybe that's three thousand we'll borrow three thousand you need a conducive working environment because if the taxes remain the same if being harassed for licenses and all these things still remain the same and the inflation rates are still that high that's six thousand that three thousand at the end of the day will not create stability and empowerment at the end of the day you will even when you get that capital to run your business as a young person if the inflation with the taxes you end up not having a break even point so at the end of the day you go back to square one where you have no capital you have no business if the environment is not stable and it's not conducive for your business just to add on what she said you know too much government intervention in the economy is very dangerous so I think right now we are having too much government intervention and what we need to do even governments are supposed to handle the issue of economy but too much you know too much government intervention you know Kenya is it's like saying if you keep on doing your role it is dangerous no Kenya is a democratic state and you remember Kenya is part of the Africa is bounded by the African Union Charter and if it's bounded by the African Union Charter we have also ratified the African continental trade agreement highlights the issue about removal of trade barriers allowing market forces to get area and if we are bounded by that Charter then I think we must respect the pact as a servant of that Charter this means that we must not have too much government intervention in the sense that we must deploy a strategy the best strategy and in my opinion is the market friendly approach where we have a principle of the golden mean that brings an excess between the two the issue of the KRA the issue of the KRA the issue of the KRA I think also as you have said is not about KRA taxi you know these high taxes that KRA is implementing especially on the small trade business they need to reduce the taxes but also we need to look at the government needs to intervene the way it has intervened the issue about cancer I believe that in KRA there are some very corrupt officials we need KDFN even if it means KDFN as long as our taxes are accountable you say we need KDFN that's what you say but it's working then we are turned off corruption I want us to bring this conversation because I want to give each one of you time to have a final word in regards to this conversation of course to just make a general general comment as you speak to Kenyans let me start with Yu Munishi still have a final word as we bring this conversation to a close maybe you can talk to Kenyans there is your camera there Kenyans as we look at we are nearing election period it is important that we be careful how politicians us as we should not allow the politicians to take advantage of us it's very sad that in Kenya age and not civic education is the main determinant of voting and we need to move away from that narrative where Kenya will implement rather institutionalize democracy and the democratic process so that we can have a society where I'm not trying to demonize I'm not trying to demonize the illiterate or to demonize politicians but Kenyans must elect leaders who they know will cater for their interest and not to elect demo books who will in the wrong run bring this economy to back to retroges us back thank you so much Geraldine have a final word within a short time and that is your camera there I want to say what this country needs is unity what this country needs is prosperity and what this country needs is continuity and for that to be achieved we have to vote the right leaders in place and our time is now we don't have to wait for another 5 years to complain of the leaders we put in place and not voting is voting for the wrong candidate so it's time to take our and the only way we can make that difference is if we took our voters card we went and registered as voters and made sure that our voice counted on that bad lot so I would request that especially the young people who make over 70% of this nation to make sure you have your silahaya ko ikueni that your vote so and as we listen let us make the correct decisions and also one thing before I forget we are also going to have the National Youth Council elections yes so I would urge the young people to make sure they come out in large numbers and register as voters for the National Youth Council also and make sure they vie for those positions because then that is where they will start championing for the youth agenda so are you a member of yes I'm a member of the National Youth Council for sure and I'll be there to ensure that the youth are educated on the importance of having a youth council because you know we wanted to have that commission for the youth in the DBA but now there is this route where through the National Youth Council we the youth can be had so it will be a good thing for them to come out it will also set the pace for them to make decisions they can vie for positions also to continue pushing for the youth agenda alright thank you so much that is Geraldine Moiduri and to my extreme ride Gerald Menishi the GMs yes thank you so much much more good happen atoy 254 by the way we need the KDF to take over the Kenapawa yes it should the ESCC it has failed us it should by the way Kenapawa you know as long as about losing the video because we are for elections we will not be having leaders you know ESCC has failed us we will not be having leaders who have a track record that should not be vying if we had KDF take that it would be very good keep engaging with us that is why in the morning at Ram Aguko and at Y254 channel is where you can be able to find us keep talking to us let us know where you are watching us from as we continue today's morning conversation but for now we have come to the end of youth and politics but we still have a lot to General Dean and General Miroori Mignishi thank you so much keep it locked right here this is one in the morning my name is Ram Maguko stay tuned for this and much more