 Thanks for staying with us now, extracting from a publication on premium times, questions around leadership, the provenance of those able to aspire to attain and exercise it, have captured some of the most vexing and disturbing concerns in Nigeria today, as it did rather in recent decades. While the steady progression of time is no doubt about to ease out a generation that has clunged tightly rather to political power since the dawn of independence from the British colonial rule in 1960, an occasion various manifestations of destructions culminating in a civil war and breakout circles of authoritarian rule, there is no greater evidence that the playbook of political power and participation can no longer remain the same. If anything it is clear that the youth of Nigeria are intent on no longer being bystanders in the fair of the governance of Nigeria and how their country is being run particularly within the purview of the sustained failing of an older citizenry or power elite. It is clear that youth no longer want to be leaders of tomorrow but those of today and today we are asking how can this mobilization that is happening right now amongst the Nigerian youth, how can it impact the future of Nigeria? That's the question. Now please let's hear what you have to say. Remember you can join the conversation centres in SMS or WhatsApp to 08-1, 803-4663, you can also tweet at us at weishoafqa1 with the hashtag weisho. So else I just wanted to hear your two cents on this. I mean I don't know if you saw the movements, the PTAOB movements that happened over the weekend, a lot of youth, I mean these people were unpaid. I heard that people were making contributions, you know getting, you know because the government told them when they wanted to move no gathering at one point so they had to keep, it's a procession, they had to keep walking and for every like four cars they hired DJs that would keep playing music and all of that. So in between four cars you see a DJ like that. I saw a truck that had a bean truck that was going with them so as you're drinking the water they are picking up, they are picking up the dress after you. I mean it was so coordinated and organized. This is the first time you will see a really structured mobilization amongst the young people especially now creating political awareness for people, you know and as you're going they are greeting you, hailing you, they are okay, these are candidates, the person will support it. But do you think this would actually impact the future of Nigeria? Then I'll bring in our guest. I like that you said the future of Nigeria so I'll say yes. Okay. I know a lot of us are still very skeptical as to the impact of this movement when it comes to 2020 general election but I like where we are now. It's a good time to be alive, it's a good time to be part of that generation that is standing up and doing something right. Whether you, I mean sometimes I don't engage people when they begin to sort of antagonize so because there's a difference in antagonizing and just being critical right and just trying to point out things but you can't really just sit back and keep saying oh these people like this, these people like that, they've not done this, they've not done this, who do they think they are? Where are they coming from? They don't understand politics right and just sit back but you know that there needs to be a change so you that have made it your job to antagonize this movement what do you prefer to be the best solution for this change right? So I like that these things are happening yes it will impact the future of Nigeria again to also make more impact when we begin to see the various reforms that will come to our electoral process and also INEC right. Imagine when we get to the point where votes and encode there can be like a diaspora voting, trust me people will definitely sit up and when we get to the point where we know that our votes can really count and our voice can be heard and back to us as a people as well when we also take this movement away from just the presidency and begin to spread them across local governments just be interested. I don't want a situation which we've always had we might still have where it's just the presidency that we are concerned about under the governorship. Those other areas as well we need to begin to ask questions who are people there what are their track record what is the blueprint what do they want to come in to do their manifesto and things like that so yes I believe that everything happening now it is it is starting now I think this whole thing started from the fact that we had a president Muhammad Bari as a president right the things he has done which led to answers and now we are here right so it's not going to end here I just want to believe that we also not lose hope because it's not it's not going to be a walk in the park it's not just going to change everything at once but we need to start somewhere and I'm glad that we started from where we are right now. Absolutely so let me bring in our guest Dr. Muiz a DME Banyure S.A. and Ph.D. is a lawyer and activist he formed the United Action for Change which serves as a pressure group and think tank which with the drive to build a society where people are valued and treated equally enjoy their rights as full citizens and I mean anybody that knows him is a friend of the house and always advocating for better governance in Nigeria especially with reforms in the legislative arm of government and he's joined us live thank you so much via Zoom. Alright so Dr. Banyure I mean thank you again it's always a pleasure when we have you on the show to have this kind of conversation right quickly before we go into this main conversation I just wanted to ask a quick question the ruling that has happened in Oshun state where they say that Oye Tola was not even qualified to be a candidate in the first place is this in a bid to upturn the elections or what exactly is the reason for this? No the election has nothing to do with the election proper. Okay it was certain instances like a pre-election case is one is a case challenging the nomination of Oye Tola as candidate of our progressive Congress and what the court have said there is that because the person that signed the nomination was not the right person to have signed it as such he was not a candidate for the purpose of that election that was the decision of the court. So does this in any way say that he's going to probably is a plot to get the person that won the elections or what exactly is the goal for it? It won't affect anything right? Well you know is somebody else that has won the election so far is the PDP candidate that won the election he is challenging the victory of the PDP candidate so the only nexus between that decision and the current case is simply on what we call as lawyers locus the standing to sue that is do you have a right to sue do you have a right to bring the petition because before the election try to go now. Okay let's talk about the conversation for today right youth mobilization right I mean on Saturday we saw a lot of young people going on the streets you know I mean they've been it's been happening for a while but by thing Saturday was like the highlight because again it was the first time it was coming to Lagos right a lot of young people are woke you know that's the English they are woke and a lot of young people are very conscious they are very conscious politically right now and there's a lot of massive engagement going on different small groups big groups you are somebody that has created a pressure group so you understand what these kinds of movement can do in terms of impact in you know anything in the governance in everything in Nigeria so I mean first of all what are your thoughts today as it stands that about the Nigerian youth do you think that we are really really there we have gotten to that point where we've had it and we are ready to take on what's it called political positions and take on the governance of our country. Well honestly speaking I'm very excited about the development very very excited is for me is the by-product of some of the effort that I've been putting by a lot of people groups and association in the last couple of years for example in my own movement the United Action for Change we've always had a three-day leadership youth leadership training for youth every year in order to encourage them and bring their leadership capacity so and again recognizing the fact that about 60% of the electorate those that are eligible to vote at our election are youth is because exciting that they are beginning to appreciate the fact that the future not even the future so they belong to them because their future is gone but there's no future for them as far as I'm concerned because this is their future now now that they are working out from their slumber and are doing something honestly I'm excited and I believe that we must all be excited I'm optimistic we might not as said by the last speaker get to the final destination with this particular attempt but at least something major is happening now there is a force that is going on all over the whole play the only thing we need to do beyond that is to also get them to go beyond even the mobilization of the servilode into the enlightenment and education of the vulnerable there are so many vulnerable but you think for example the market to me the market are often harassed into voting for a particular political party because of their vulnerability and there are a lot of other people like that poor people rich people they take advantage of the poverty if that is why I personally I feel that it's more or less a deliberate policy on behalf of our political leader to continue to render our people rich so that they will not be able to reason and do the right thing so these vulnerable they need to equally connect them now beyond mobilizing the serve they need to connect them educate them defend them so that they can exercise their free will independent of any pressure harassment or influence by the power to be I think it's really a bit of context to my question but I'll see us because I know you have more to say because you have worked in this area in terms of mobilizing youths and also supporting them for a better decision if you mean if hypothetically speaking we are to say consult for us right and say look at the movements now what has been done and what can still be done what would you say we are doing right and what would you say we need to do better to ensure that I mean like you said even if it doesn't give us the desired result now then we should ensure that we're on the right path at least yes there's still a lot to be done that also refers to you that do very well undoubtedly what example electron is becoming scientific now whether we like it or not which you start being able to project the they have one advantage I educated because that from the house to house interaction and engagement conversation they've been having with a lot of people I think they could be able to be getting our security commitment gradually to the eastern that you can say that in a particular polio unit at the worst scenario we can get something number of votes I expect because of your level of education to be able to put that in place and of course that we very well in terms of defense self-defense because one of the things the older politicians usually use are the talks the misconduct but I can see that even on their own maybe because of their encode I'm using the word adversely I want their own aggression to the talks of the misconduct be given to be displaced equally from the political space so again for me this is a good development equally but like I said what needs to be done is that they need to create more cell around the polio units all over the nation this side will be their theater room rather than the one that is holistic at the center so if you are able to do this in each of those set there are people that are capable that are able to defend their vote for death and again like I said they need to also build a formidable pressure group that will be able to protect the vulnerable. The vulnerable are the one that the other politicians always take advantage of. They need to secure them to be they need to protect them they need to educate them they need to enlighten them and in doing this what they need to do basically is simple is to help them connect their life to their vote you see that's the missing link between these vulnerable and their vote they don't know the important that's why at times they send their vote they see that's a product they merchandise it and this is where the challenging but if you can show them that look what we are saying here is essentially that the hospital the quality hospital that you take your children or yourself to where you are seeing quality education employment these are all the things that that vote or that singular vote of yours encapsulate show them that one let them know that even if anybody is giving them money if they give you any amount of money they are equally cheating you because the auto are doing more than that because it is your money that they are recycling to you so a lot of vegetation a lot of enlightenment needs to take place thank you absolutely absolutely because i mean imagine if you are able to paint a picture to that market woman that for the fact that your child cannot go to school it is these votes that you are selling that's why your child cannot get free education i'm sure they would rethink it again to selling their votes but while we're still on the subject of votes right aina came out a few weeks back said that some registrations that were done because again part of the mobilization that i had seen that happened you know especially this season is massive registration young people that never been registered before you know a lot of massive registration went on you know there were too many people that went to go and get their voters cards and all of that in preparation for the elections come 2023 but again aina brought out some reports that were really alarming there was one i said about two million people fresh voters about one million plus were disqualified some of that figures you know so the numbers are just going here and there so now we know that for you to be legally admitted into any elections you must have a pvc right so with the mobilization that is going on and these issues that we are having around inek and all of that how do we even navigate because in the system that is supposed to help us exercise that right that we have mobilized ourselves to exercise then has like a default how do we even begin to correct those kinds of anomalies well there are two ways to look at it the first one which again is an area that i mean currently with by the law that is the electoral act 2002 it is a criminal offense for example it was somebody to engage in multiple or double registration but that has happened they have featured out what has happened to those who print nothing so that is an encouragement to further commit other electoral offenses so that's an indictment in my very strong view against inek itself second aspect of it is the fact that this time around if we are all able to get because a lot of pvc are still lying in the various inek offices all over the nation people need to go and get them i don't doubt that you need them as your access card to the election so again like i said earlier the youth need to identify all the people that have these pvcs they need to be able to engage them but beyond that one thing that is also very important now is or a good development that the older politicians seems to have forgotten is that is no more business as usual because you cannot some of them that are massing or purchasing or acquiring excess pvc all over the whole place with the aim of using them to vote of course it won't work because now beyond the parametric that is the big first thing that the technology that at the end of the day will be able to tell these are the eligible ones these people are not eligible these votes are invalid all these ones are still likely or no so again before i forget as a rider the youth need to educate themselves about the electoral the import of it there's so many nowhere provisions contain therein you need to get experts to come and address them to tell them what and what to look at for what and what to do and what not to do this is very important to if at the end of the day they want to accelerate their achievement absolutely all right so let's quickly go on a very short break when we come back from the break we'll continue the conversation stay with us we'll be right back all right thanks for staying with us now if you just tuned in we're discussing the impact of youth mobilization on ijera's future right and we have with us dr mouiz bannere now remember you can join the conversation send us an sms or whatsapp to 081 803 846 63 you can also tweet at us at waste your africa one of the hashtag waste show i mean that electoral act evane you know a lot i think a lot of people are more hopeful for this 2023 election based on the based on the signing of that that electoral act you know so into law because now so many things the anomalies that would have happened before you can't just wake up and do anyhow there has to be a system has the challenges right yeah go ahead i'll see okay i just want to take this whole conversation away from just 2023 because i like the theme of the conversation which is the future right um we still have our guests oh yes okay so in in everything that's happening now i like that we both agree that um this is more beyond 2023 what do you think this impact will be in terms of the way we see ourselves as Nigerians our mindsets i mean also looking at the fact that we just celebrated this second anniversary right and a lot of us would rather die on the heel of trying to leave Nigeria than trying to look around for opportunities right i mean this is not to play down on anybody's struggle or the reason they want to leave so what what do you think this home mobilization and the possibility of the general election whatever the outcome may be would be on the mindset of young people well like i said earlier this is a very positive development for all beyond the election what it pertains is that uh you don't know the size there is this uh uh how do i call it now that uh was adopted during that time but i forgot to come back to that what it pertains is that our people are becoming politically conscious which is very important it's a very very you know in the past we used to be passive about everything and uh it was just my sweat meat that sell it that says that all it takes for a nation to decay is for the good people they have to keep quiet we've kept quiet for too long and it's that muteness that has brought us to where we are today so for me now since our youth have woken up now i'm sure it's going to be a progressive development to the extent that they start asking questions and the moment we start asking questions then we are ready for growth we are ready for development of the country so all the original mind said that vote will not count are beginning to change equally you know he doesn't nobody believe in the system they don't bother you say don't waste their time leave them alone is the political class that knows how they go about all these things but now the good news is that people are beginning to have interest and have that conviction that something positive can still come out of this system and for me like i said the youth are the highest stakeholder in the nangira project that's the reality of today if you go to an employment statistic they are the ones of remote look at us to strike now who are the people of remote the youth everything they are the people so for me what is very what is important is that because of this development now even politicians generally are political officials that will start being conscious of the way our manner in which they conduct their affairs nobody was challenging them that was why over time we have developed this humanity particularly on the part of the political class nothing can happen because nobody asks questions how much are you spending how much do you do this one how did you acquire this one all those are not up it will soon get to a level that the youth will start asking come how did you spend our money how did you acquire this we want to know the source of your work and all those is you by the time those things are happening positivism will come in and once that comes in even though we have eventually to stem stem the tide of all this immigration from the country so this is very very important and it's a good development like i said personally i'm very very excited about the development and we need to continuously encourage the youth to take up their rightful place because it is their time anybody beyond the age of 50 she cannot claim to have more stake or higher stake in Nigeria project than somebody below and that is the reality of the situation okay i like to stay on the word mobilization right so i mean i know you are our father we are the youth here right so i would like you to make um comparison between the 1993 which i'll use the word agitation for then occupy on your time on Nigeria and what is happening now right um what would you say is the major difference and the better impact if for for now if you can see a difference because i'm still very hurt by occupied Nigeria i know one knows we are going to let's not even get into that quite right but it was an agitation a lot of people were on the road nlc was part of it and now we are back to the points where we all know i mean then maybe some of us knew but now we all know that we need subsidies to go right so comparing 1993 occupy Nigeria and what is happening now from your wealth of knowledge what advice do you have what would you say well from my experience they are all different uh different let's start with the first one i think that the thing was specific about June 12th an moment so it was specific to a particular struggle the uh the uh occupy Nigeria was revolved around the petroleum pricing inside initially revolved around the police brutality but now this is all a company this is about good governance it is much more organized the people involved are much more educated they are much more informed and for this set of people they understand the issues that those people before that we had in the past much more than the people and like i said earlier they are the highest stakeholder so they have more stake in this struggle so as far as possible they are going to ensure and they can uh assure that their own struggle is an organized struggle is a struggle of issues and that is the that's the mark difference between all that either to uh apple in 1993 and also during the occupy Nigeria so this is a total struggle for good governance in the country absolutely so now this is uh we like quality 99 the campaigns have just started i like what you said you you said something you said the old guys the old players they know that it's not business as usual so it means that for anything the young people are getting something right and we are putting them on their toes right so how do we on their bicycles we are putting them on their bicycles right so how do we how do we translate that into actual results because you said something about going to different polling units call late you know so there's a lot that can happen and with the new electoral act like you rightly said not many of us are educated enough to understand the advantages of the new electoral act and how it's going to impact the elections right so how do we how do we chart it in a way that so i like the way when i'm watching the us elections for instance right they can easily almost tell you that this region belongs to this so you know where to really concentrate on in terms of mobility so you are having a targeted mobilization if you say okay this is a success we want to um what's it called we want to um record right so we know the areas where our weakest numbers will come from how do we start to do that if we really want to and be impactful in these elections well it is doable like i said it's very doable it's a matter again these people have the capacity they are the people that the older guys who always use for this purpose so they have the capacity it comes with them naturally effortlessly they can do their own polling by turning control poll all over they will know where they are weak where they need to strengthen but the most important thing that is the gap between them and sources is education is enlightenment i can tell you everybody is unique but hey everybody in the nation now but people need to be educated and that is where again they need to be brutal as far as i'm concerned using the word adversely to move in aggressively to educate people particularly like i said they need to crescent you see the center of gravity for the new election is around the polling units so you must work around each polling unit to the extent that you can say confidently do a protector to say in each polling unit we are sure of no less than 150 votes from this place conservatively that is doable but there's a lot of hard work and they have the energy and interestingly enough now they are even bringing resources together to actualize it so it's a very very interesting development okay so okay so let's let's stay on um because i always say that i have a feeling that we are repeating history right um mobilizing ourselves around one person do you think this youth mobilization is around the petal be do you believe it's a petal be or it could have been anybody it's just that people are just tired and they are ready to actually effect a change well i'm not the view that is not about it's not around and it's not about petal be it's just a situation where people are getting to that look we need a change we need alternative and the same they be saying that look we are tired of the older generation we need a younger people we need younger people to come and take charge of your fear that is the message hmm okay so i think we'll try to reconnect back because join us on what i'm saying the the question because you know people are feeling that somebody said to me that it could have been anybody even the petal be knows that this is not about him that it is about the agitations that were tired right Nigerians have gotten to that point where they feel like we have so much how come we are where we are you know today i was on i was driving on the road and i was listening in on a documentary a particular radio station did since independence till date right it was really really sickening to think the people that Nigerian Nigeria had so much hope and we had so much prospect that you would think that all of these things that we're talking about should not even be something that we're worth mentioning i saw a video just now before i came on air Dubai in 2027 seeing flying flying drones and you know and all of that that's kind of movement i mean because Nigeria has the capacity comparing but you see Dubai came to us how many years ago to support to help them build i hear you want to speak to what you were saying whether it was just a petal be or we're just tired so i think it's also different factors coming together you know when they say the universe to just align and things happen right um petal be had made himself available and he had he was speaking from even the end even before the end sales period he would always uh talk even this event that happens every first of all he wasn't at this time but he was usually there right and he would give numbers talk about what he did in anambra states also talk about how what he did end him a lot of enemies in the political space because everybody was all about what can we eat not um how the country is moving forward or how this resources is getting better better try right so a lot of people stay connecting with him from that point and even when the end sales thing happened as well he was speaking up he used this platform so it was a case of oh yes you're tired right but then you look around so who is this person that can just fit in can fit in that is it's more semblance of hope just speaking a bit of our language and making us understand it because we all know that we are running a wasteful government we don't need anybody to tell us even the president is even everybody on the on the on the front runner right now can attest to this but why is it so difficult for us to cut down these excesses actually when you claim that the country is broke you claim that there is no money you're borrowing as if you have one money to pay back you know everything doesn't just make sense and it is worrying based on what i said earlier i don't believe that these people don't know what they are doing i don't believe that they are clueless i don't believe that they don't understand how to move this country from point a to point b i just don't understand why we have so much greed wickedness and corruption right so we then saw someone who is not just saying you just saw him do it we see him still do it like you can move and not move with 20 oddlies and all over here and you are still alive you're not dead right so it is just us seeing that he is a symbol yeah yeah i think we have dr banny redback you know as we wrap up let's take some comments okay um woke he said let me give you an example take for instance you are walking down the road and all of a sudden someone comes up behind and steals that what belongs to you and run and you run after the person and fight the person to collect what is rightfully yours does that also make you a thief the Nigerian government keeps stealing from us our right our right to express ourselves right to elect a leader of our choice right to uh re elect with one another or reflect i think with one of them because we have become strangers in our own land relate it means now right to religion that is serving who we want to serve spiritually based on convictions not compulsion and when we fight for our rights um that they have stolen from us the government makes it look as though we are the criminals what an irony um take your comment and i'll come back to dr muesh she gets women of ways take it or leave it the youth have risen up to take their future into their own hands the so-called leaders are well are all shivering actually with the obedience movements going all over the country we must take back our nation from these old wines and new bottles we've never had it but like this that's bobby kennedy from taraba thank you bobby kennedy so dr vanu we are wrapping up the conversation because we're running out of time but i just want to say that globally right the whole world is going through all the same things that we're going through why is this agitation so much it's not like the challenges that we're facing especially with the economy and all of that which is part of the agitation it's not like it's unique to nigeria so what are the other factors i mean you've mentioned asu you mentioned a few things healthcare and all of that why do you think that it is so um the the political space is so heated up right now that people not even want to hear anything apc or pdp or do we have dr vanu okay go ahead the truth is there's so much frustration in the land like your colleague said the reality is that everybody look at the cost of governors you weep you are saying you are broke and you all know what is going on since the time of i think jaradua or jaraba if not about soja or so we have had multiple agencies doing the same thing they came up with a committee report a steve or russia report to say that you face them or the rational rational them out face them out so as to save substantial some up to nothing as i put look at our is it a country where we are we really and truly need a bicameral legislature do we need a part i mean uh members of the executive cabinet as well as legislators to be permanent members can they be part time officers the kind of situation that are so the cost of governors is a major thing because right now the truth of the matter is that actually all workers in nigeria today they have taken pay cannot take them home that alone is a source of anger now you now go beyond that you now see some people the the way i'm managing with the contracts itself in hopeless just simply because they occupy public offices now you start wondering what's going on so the this fact has become so obvious to everybody that we believe that something major something radical must happen as a matter of audience because if not honestly speaking my sense of it is that three people with the kind of financial situation and here is if it were to be a country by now that you have declared to be a bankrupt company yes but it's just because it's a country that has potential and for all around that we're going to remain a country of potentials just simply because we don't have the right set of people in the right position so the time is overdue for this to happen and what is happening like i said to you it's a signal to several other things that will happen in the nearest workshop which hopefully we will bring the country back to its right to position otherwise i fear that the next administration will not be able to signal the end of the country quickly comment are you sure after the people that you should stop stressing out how to hear doctor barry says good evening ladies the youth must engage themselves to monitor the progress of the elections and results these hard hard old cargo politicians wanted to do anything to play foul jagaband's online video is an old one during his workout after a knee surgery about two years ago regards from adi adi is in the uk so you can really tell you how do you adi can tell you but doctor barney right why do we always have politicians when it's time for elections they come and do work out they go and play football on the road so why do we always have this playing out all the time it's the old trick old trick but like i said to you it can't work again yeah it's now stay news so the earlier the better the face the reality that things have changed and the most change with it yeah absolutely so if you had one final if you had one final thing yeah they need to go and restrategize if you had a final thing to say to the nindian youth watching the show today you know what would you your council be just one final i commend them i commend them and i will wish and advise them that more work to be done it needs to be resolved and continue in that direction so if they fail like if they are candidates the choice candidate does not what's he called emerge as the presidential president elect so yeah did you continue so how do they keep that temple how because that is another problem we always have you see the organization must be sourced oh sugar we lost it all right so i think we've run out of time but hey elsey godway it is well what are you willing for nindia is 62 they say that a fool at 40 is a fool forever we are 62 i think we've come a long way i'm very hopeful i i i just i mean let me just leave it there i'm hopeful because i i know that we have what it takes like i said we have so much so much we have so much from tourism to everything if we begin to break down the real resources we have everything that is untapped or the ones that are being stolen day and night out of the country in collaboration with you know them right so we have a lot we have the potential and we i just hope that we can begin to get it right absolutely even if the person that we think is supposed to be there don't get there right whoever gets it this whole movement should also be a wake-up call for you to believe that yeah and say i need to make a mark absolutely i need to let people know that i didn't just roll the bicycle for really sick i am going there to do something thank you elsey godway thank you everyone that watched now before we go do i show you all those on instagram thank you dr bannier thank you so much now you can interact with us further drop a comment most importantly follow all our engagements on social media like share invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation now if you missed today's quote here it is again one of the great liabilities of history is that all too many people fail to remain awake through great periods of social change now every society has its protectors of status quo and its fraternities of the indifferent who are notorious for sleeping through revolutions so today our very unsurvivable depends on our ability to stay awake to adjust to new ideas to remain vigilant and to face the challenge of change this was from dr martin luther king and it is very relevant in today's nigeria we'll see you guys live tomorrow at 8 p.m as we bring another great conversation to your screen enjoy