 worries about that house that place and we just don't we just don't get to see those well yeah I don't know what I need to after after the guest to be in rebuild or um you know Miles mentions that he has insurance imagine how fucking rich he's gonna be that's true he's gonna he's gonna bankrupt the insurance company I'm kind of irony here at the what did that stuff what it bad dog buddy absolutely well he was a lover of art he's a bad person so yeah yeah he's the one yeah everything must burn to make him cry it's funny Friday nickel areas and it's so artistically shot oh my goodness Ryan is just what he's Ryan he's the Leonardo da Vinci of our day oh no he's a disruptor do not do this no no no no no no no no no no no no no no nine nine nine nine do that Germany you got baited that's why not right now damn it I can't say that today yeah so you know what what can I say as a reamble if we do teams Ryan Johnson let's talk about our let's talk about Ryan Johnson all right how we yeah his history with us he's like a he's a patron he's one of our greatest patrons here at EFAP every frame of pause like subscribe and don't forget to comment this movie I saw from was lupa everyone my goodness I saw unfortunately yeah I've never seen that one I feel like we are looping wow cap do you anything no not even you know not even his best film but I never saw brick the stories are like bricks against the head yeah like passing a brick the passing of the brick it's an artistic tradition that dates back to Grecian days which I guess are now but you know what I mean a little timey times we owe we owe this podcast to Ryan I feel like that needs to be addressed this it's very likely that this assemblage of tards yes we would never have coagulated together and met each other and EFAP might not have ever been a thing that ever was if it wasn't for Ryan Johnson incredible amazing groundbreaking subvertive film The Last Jedi we brought us together that's what we coagulated to form a very retarded scab that's right we are the scab on the underbelly of film criticism because we talk about plot and characters but we actually pay attention to what we watch which is voting from what I hear oh I know that work well that's true yeah you would never have known I existed from the other maybe maybe um well that that in the timeline come you know cuz I was gonna say Looper is something I saw on Port with shit I thought that it broke itself and then like all the payoffs were dependent on the rules being whatever they needed to be at the time so that's me just like well that's lazy yeah but the characters very true the character is smaller you know those characters a lot of the character is destroyed by them having an understanding of the rules is completely different from our own so a lot of their actions really strange but they'll do you know like when he shoots himself you know let's not get into it so yeah that happened and then I guess you'd say in the next time I'll be the breaking bad stuff and so if I were more aware of him at the time because I was not I'll probably be like yeah seems fine just got that weird movie then along comes and it's like oh wow so he's like known now as being alongside JJ is just an absolute bulldozer of IP even though he's only really killed the one he's gone after a genre next so it's a little bit tougher you'll get there eventually that wasn't too impressive to a lot of the people here you never try and destroy a whole genre to you it's a brave and bold move all as well maybe you could say Star Wars was it probably Disney would like it to be it then then you get knives out and I remember the vibe of that was finally he made a good one neat you know and then we watched it and we were like wow and then and then he disappeared into the night and then we found out oh he's got a deal to make two more knives out movies with I guess the through line will just be the Benoit Blanc comes back each time the character that no one gives a fuck about and neither does the movie most of the time when you say two more are you saying there's a third one on the way or is this the sec oh no dude the drop off was so steep compared from knives out to glass onion how could it go any worse these people are done and now I will say that this new one pops out and one of the first things I heard about it was it's worse than knives out and I was like okay all right because like you know I do have faith in humanity to the point of like he must have been able to accidentally make a good story eventually right like at one point he writes something coherent yeah like it's just if you write 10 stories what are the chances that all of them every single one you know like surely every now and then you won't realize what you made it's really great actually accidentally made like a good scene maybe a good character you know the whole theorem of like you get a million chimpanzees to sit at a typewriter yeah that's not something I'll write the great American novel kind of like the law of average as I suppose in some sense eventually you write something good and yeah I watched it with metal first and I'm pretty sure once the bigger crazy thing happens I was saying what the fuck over and over again until it helped me understand maybe how it wasn't as insane but and it's the same we'll get to that eventually and then I was still undecided but especially after watching it in that little party was like oh yeah this is actually one of the worst again we hit another one of the worst guys it's it's not it's it's getting scary how often like I mean like wow that was like the worst thing the thing is like you know you could take it as like an absurdity or oh how convenient it's like we're gonna give you all the arguments and you can decide if if you think it's fair or not we have that conclusion but this one this one's gonna be a bit of there's a bit of unraveling to do there's a bit of layer appealing to do it's an angled web I don't get it goes far as saying very much deliberately but we're gonna have to because it obfuscates the reality you can't see the reality through the twisted web of lies lies that's a good theme right there some lies to you one of the challenges with breaking this one down is that there's an intentionality to obfuscate and thus the value part of the value is that things are not as complicated as you would have imagined and so anytime someone says wow that's either really simple or really stupid the film wins it's a point that's that's an attitude that's developed apparently about yeah I was only pretending to be retarded except I wasn't in that one yeah and so the the I guess because there's no reason to do like a what did you all think of the movie one by one because I'm pretty sure we're all pretty much one to one unified it's that bad oh yeah I like this film might be interesting to see like what each person highlights in their little statement right is the thing that what the keyword was or like one specific aspect of the film that really annoyed them that could be interesting very well you got on the list well uh you can if we start like a limit of 10 seconds or less you know 30 seconds all right and we go general this time we haven't done in a while just left to right why not and uh thought with mr capital opinions what did you think of glass out knives onions sorry the third I hated it it's very very stupid the characters are terrible the plot is one of the worst things I've ever seen the the movie like was already addressed the movie lies to you it's not just that characters lie it's not that characters are hiding things is that the movie itself is hiding things from you only so and that's the only way twists are even possible in this story is by just not telling you things our our main point of view character knows them but we just don't get to know them so we're along for the roller coaster like ooh a new piece of information that's all lies yep yep that's the gist I I wondered for a while whether it was worse than knives out because I wasn't sure if anything could be quite as bad as the morphine scene yeah knives out but I do think the sum total of this movie is worse though I'm excited to talk about it all right yeah well at least someone is yeah well actually I paid money to go see this one after uh after Thanksgiving because I mean because I liked I liked a little bit of knives out the the totality of it was you know awful but you know again the chimpanzee theory you know maybe you could pound out something halfway decent this time but um uh no uh they advertise this as a who done it and it's probably the worst who done it that I have ever witnessed in my life it's it's uh I can't even I can't even I really can't even it's there's nothing about it that works no I mean there has to be a murderer for who done it and a murder doesn't happen until like an hour I believe into the movie and then any information that you need to solve that murder isn't given to you until about like an hour and 20 minutes into the movie it's just structured so tear it's just yeah we'll definitely get into all that clean all right fringy go ahead gloss on you there's one of the most intensely stupid films I've seen that's that's basically the gist of it all right that's bullshit get next well uh capital O kind of took the words out of my mouth that whole thing about the film lying to you as a fan of like the who done it genre for as long as I can remember I I couldn't stand that fact that it will actively lie to you because part of the fun is like you know picking up on things be like oh maybe this guy did it who was this a red herring no they like actively lie and we'll get into it as we go along but that really sincerely frustrated me and so the movie went from like agonizing to frustrating to like enraging toward the end this is a very very bad movie and I'm keeping an eye on sham moving everyone's volume sliders according to what you guys are complaining about all right so hopefully it's getting nailed gradually okay yeah so for me it's just it hits every single hallmark of poor writing be it in the form of like really bad exposition like insecurities about the society that surrounds the writer at the time loads of injections of what they believe to be like super important to talk about yet they have nothing to say about it lots of like things that are put in for seemingly no reason at all the characters very rarely are able to escape one dimension this just that's and it's almost like deliberate because they just have it the right has so much fun being like look at this person if this person existed wouldn't this person be something really dumb and you know what this person does exist you know them aren't they dumb we hate them they're dumb and then of course yes the all these different like setups that aren't setups at all they're just the fucking magician had a gun backstage it just brings out and kills the whole audience and it's just like yeah you didn't see that coming did you like wow awesome trick dude and then yeah pacing is hideous to me I think that this film is simultaneously bloated and then dense with information in small packs around the film and it repeats loads of information because it just doesn't it I think the film thinks it's a lot smarter that it actually is there's a huge tangled web of trying to understand what this film's attitude is about itself and it's so funny to see people who are both pro and anti this film both say it thinks itself to be very smart when it isn't like both of them are saying that as though that's a plus for the film for it to approach it this way yeah it's an absolute fucking mess and I've seen it a couple times to make sure I'm ready for all this and I've got a lot to say about how all of it's fucked metal yes I mean basically all the things I think I've already been said like the movie lies to you it's like oh I think I finally kind of starting to figure out what is it what it is and then they put this big information on you in the middle and like oh and then we get to the scenes that we've seen before and they don't fit in at all it's like oh is it like you lied to me like this didn't happen like I saw how quick it went the first time and now you just put three four minutes in it also there's no character it wasn't there before even though it's the same shot I was like oh so that's all worthless thank you I don't know why you do this to me and then of course the insane ending with this almost like a twisted sense of morality it's probably how I would put it it's like oh that's that's how you thought you won yeah when I say that you know it's true uh no it's uh yeah it's it's awful it's awful rags when you go to a magic show when you're watching an illusionist on a youtube video or on television one of the things that's part of the the craft of magic tricks and illusionary and stuff of that nature is that you can't go back and change what people actually saw right this is not possible so the skill is how do you do something pretend you're doing something else but the whole time if people you want to distract people but you can't just erase events from history you can't you can't recontextualize in the sense of actually changing the content of what's been seen it's sleight of hand and it's distraction and that's where the skill comes in you don't you don't lie to people in the same way that you deceive someone for like a kind of like a scam right a magician doesn't scam people everyone kind of wants to be fooled and they're in for it and his skill and pulling off of that that kind of deception plays in the audience's desire to be deceived and that and that's where a lot of the enjoyment comes from and this movie's the opposite of that that's all i'll say for now because i've probably gone longer than 30 seconds but there's been a theme i've noticed for the six who spoke before me about lies yeah mm-hmm and and we'll get into that and um i would like to say that these lie you know what you've been talking about lies surely the audience is thinking they don't mean like the film actually lies to you i wonder what they mean by that it's like i promise what you're thinking of in your head is far more complex than what's actually happening but yeah it's super simple in the movie how it oh yeah it's bad yeah i'm horrified for the trend that this film might be setting what the trend of like ah that who done it revived by ryan jones um the trip well i was thinking more specifically um more specifically just let's play a scene again but it's just different this time in the first time we lied to you i don't that needs to not happen yeah there needs to if it's this popular which this is popular apparently uh then it's like hey that's oh i didn't know you could do it that way i'm gonna do it that way it's like oh no i didn't know that you could actually have the same shot and have fundamentally different imagery like different people on screen in the same in the same in the same shot like it's it's insane so um yeah it seems to have been said by pretty much everybody and so i kind of want to start here we it's stupid um and and this i think should be mentioned early so then we can come back to it whenever you guys want but good old drinker watched it with us and he had some things to say that we're very kind about this movie and he he put out a tweet rude that fool put out a tweet saying gloss onion maybe one of the most triumphantly defiantly stupid movies i've ever seen how it's somehow fool people into thinking it was a smart complex mystery is absolutely baffling now that's the point so this this was that's the only thing you can really say is that oh no drinker if only you'd worded it to mean exactly to a t un interpretably what you mean specifically because then another tweet happened and uh they've got the definition of glass onion this tweet is a quote tweet of drinkers and it's a 300 000 likes it's like Jesus fucking christ wow and the definition is or i guess the explanation is originated from the Beatles song glass onion from their white album it means to overanalyze something that is not intended to mean anything more than what it is the entire point of the glass onion song was to poke fun at all the people who had looked for deep messages in previous Beatles songs and uh i saw one of the responses to this was like sometimes a cigar is just a cigar like you've seen that before it's just like ah so the point is drinker has completely missed the point of the film which is there wasn't a complex mystery it was that miles was the be all along all that stuff and it's like supposed to be stupid but that's not what drinkers trying to get across he's he's saying that was executed really stupidly not that the character in universe that everyone calls stupid is stupid that's not he's not what he's saying but like willfully misinterpreting it because it'll make it easier to make fun of him it's just like oh well that's just straightforward in it so the thing is is that when you were reading this my thought was like wait is the is the quote tweet saying like ah see you're like overanalyzing like glass onion the film itself yes rather than the core mystery of the film oh well so yeah probably the mystery part yeah because the the film's point is that the mystery comes across as it's smart but it's not like the film i want to ask these people if they think do they think this movie could have been done poorly then well yeah that's a that's a question right because it's baked into its own existence the fact that it's called glass onion means it is unassailable well you know like between a glass onion movie that's done that's executed well and a glass onion movie that's executed poorly what's the distinction between those two things if you think it's possible do you think that ryan johnson would be happy if the only thing people said is yeah that was a really shit movie ryan that was so dumb and stupid yeah good job i got it that's weird well this is what i mean about like actually we have to be happy about that it's what i mean about willfully misinterpreting because these people would not concede that's what it is they're saying no no no no we're saying but the mystery underneath it all was simpler than you thought it was and that's kind of how it can sneak past you uh ben warblanc says in this film at one point his achilles heel is easy puzzles basically well i mean it doesn't sneak past you didn't i actually guessed like who who was like it's not true we even got to the twist well i don't know that we want to like go that there's this thing i i don't think that the biggest things are remotely predictable i don't at all right well yeah because because the thing is is how much is what you're predicting based on the material that's in the story versus what are you playing at ryan i'm trying to figure out what you specifically are doing here like what your name is if the angle is he wrote it he wrote a very clever film about a simple mystery that comes across to the characters in universe is complex and that's what makes it difficult for them to solve it before realizing are the pieces fit much easier than we thought i think that that there's a great movie in that idea that is not what this film achieves at all no like that seems to be the ultimate clear that's like the point yeah that seems to be the breach in conversation you know all of these people believe it was executed really well drinker is saying it was not that that's that's it yeah but drinkers biggest mistake was saying that on twitter absolutely um and let's be honest you know what goes to die this is another movie like many that it's it's a proxy war for something else and this one would be just you're smart if you liked it understood it you're an idiot if you couldn't i've already had people saying i didn't understand it and they haven't even heard what i've said about it yet like it's it's that kind of movie and uh it's funny because now that i'm so familiar with this film i'd be curious to ask people who've seen it once a lot of questions to see if they can pick up what like and i mean basic straightforward details like maybe even start with what platforms does duke stream on and which youtube well out of curiosity if if people like what is he currently streaming on rags he's currently streaming on youtube correct right but he needs the boost from yes in order to get me uh no yeah that's that's stuff like that i really don't think most people who've watched it once will and be able to answer and they'll say that doesn't matter and it's like okay fine because i had to stop and think i was like because he originally streamed on twitch but i had to or or maybe he still did he got banned right you got banned on twitch which is why it's weird in retrospect that he introduces him as like a the streamer on twitch that got blah blah blah he's also the biggest streamer to ever be banned in your universe so why would you bring that up as an accolade i guess it's still an accolade but you know it's still like he's not current anyway we can get to that um so yeah uh i guess the goal here is just going to be to try and go through it and talk a bit about what the film things happened and then what actually happened uh yeah but by the fact that we're doing that means that the film succeeded okay full rush of time analyzing it because that's a great arrangement right there you fucked up if you try and figure out what the movie is about i suppose the funny part for me is i overanalyze all stories so you're welcome into the foals glass onion and in that sense you're just like benoit blanc you know you are it's the simplest stories that fool right here damn it like blanc onion it's a very simple film it's definitely very simple it's not like at all it's a tangled web at all um all right so yeah i i'm i think this format is just going to unfold i'm going to try chronological but i think there will be a part where we start jumping forward and then we'll just decide to reveal the whole thing and then start jumping all around it uh this thing that's kind of how i know it's frustrated enough yeah this this thing is is weird in terms of its format and i mean there's annoyed a lot of people as well in just terms of consuming a fucking linear story i understand that but i'm going to try and not hold that against it because ultimately this format could probably work really well with the movie this well written i think um so you get your uh i guess yeah we'll we'll i'll throw it up on screen too but i'm gonna have to use our little copyright cover of which i don't i have to reset it like every time well either way uh we get character introductions maybe for now until i get the copyright cover so i'll just pause um this is claire debela played by agatha harkness uh also known as kathryn harn right yeah so uh and and you know we're expeditious she's getting she's like a family lady but she's also trying to do an interview on i don't know like cnn or whatever and the first thing they say is like your campaign is being backed by billionaire tech giant miles brawn thanks for the uh exposition film it's um yeah and and you know for us watching we're just like all right like okay and it's funny because you might be like what's wrong with that it's like uh i don't know it's just like it's just the most easy way you can get that information to us you didn't try very hard but that's that's fine i guess there's some information you can get out that way it's totally chill with the context being right um but i guess part of the problem is that you get this information like four times and for every character this shit is delivered this way so many overlapping expositional scenes where characters are talked about and explain oh my god we get it i think we would all agree the best one uh is a scientist man they just they come he's a scientist yep he's him being in a laboratory surrounded by medical or sorry scientific apparatus uh computers and all this stuff the lab coat and the thing on his jacket and no no no i don't get it the people who like this need to have things almost literally be spelled out to them i mean uh we we started laughing at it because they kept telling us he was a scientist in like the most awkward ways possible i don't look well suffice for the fucking christmas copyright shield okay everybody there we go i can hit plate now safely i got an onion for christmas oh cool um but one of the first slides is linel you're a scientist not a publicist and it's just like fucking hell thanks dude and uh some of the stuff in retrospect as well you got the he's talking about miles linel linel is the scientist we'll do as best we can chat to keep you up to date with all this but it was hard to keep track even when you first watch the film of everybody oh yeah it's it's a nightmare linel scientist claire senator miles billionaire all right let's we'll keep repeating these things hopefully it sinks out oh god technically she's a governor who's running for senate okay governor then right um so all right he's uh he's talking about miles and he's like the man he just he loves his faxes he sends me faxes and you know when you first see the movie that just sounds like a weird lie but in retrospect i'm like oh my god because that's actually very important it's so stupid um yeah and he's talking about how billionaire friend keeps sending him crazy ideas in the middle of the night but sometimes they actually work out for example child equals nft it turned out to he said something like uh it eventually became like a huge money making idea paid for the building they're in how so what i don't know what i don't know what does that mean ryan heard of nfts yeah yeah because children and nfts that does not um i'm curious what the hell that was supposed to eventually become are they buying nfts with their parents credit cards i don't understand this business well he calls it the crypto kids app is that like cars i guess it's a parody thing is that what we're trying well yeah it's supposed to be funny but like is there actually any way you could conceive of like that's just that just sounds bizarre like the you're not going to be able to get nfts rolling with children really that's a really weird uh like nfts are already uh well so that's actually a good good good section of criticism i think for this movie it's out of date unfortunately already yeah it's come out oh yeah it's desperately trying to bank on like current trends but it's already falling away yeah um and nfts is just one of the things that it's like see nfts makes us shit tons of money it's like oh that make an episode in the wake yeah south park could stay relevant yeah um and then we find out yeah the billionaire is asking the scientist to put a volatile substance on a manned flight like oh uh this this will become extremely relevant but it's just like for now it's just like damn okay um and he says i just won't listen to me he just keeps saying make it work that he's like this is science not a religion okay and uh i don't know i just i wish they'd called it a scientist one more time i i didn't get it the first time i don't understand and then we uh we meet the third character who i guess you call her the fashionista she would be birdie uh birdie j she's um oh and in the background of her party she's currently throwing you can see that uh claire is there and she says i uh i'm a hard line on climate change if that scares you go stick your head in the sand this will be important because that means that like part of the the the candidacy she's running on is to be very pro you know uh doing something about climate change which will come up later as a part of why she'll be she'll leverage basically in terms of how things are going to work so um yeah i don't know what to say about birdie j as a character uh this is she's incredibly stupid she's uh so like yeah so far beyond in terms of stupid that it you know it's kind of just annoying every kind of dialogue she comes out with you like okay yeah how is she stupid about this she's not going to understand what words mean i guess that's the main uh she's going to try to painfully one-dimensional yeah she's going to try to talk to a lamp like it's an alexa kovar and she's throwing a big party yeah which would be so dangerous well and i think someone says like uh how you doing that she's like no they're all a part of my bubble or something yeah um yeah and she says uh she's not allowed her phone because her like handler is afraid she'll tweet an ethnic slur again when she thought the word she used was just a generic word for cheap and then her handler is like jewey which is apparently what she got cancelled for which is another thing i'm almost tired of seeing in movies as well oh i can imagine but i i just like it's like bozmy whenever uh cancelling comes up in films these days i'm like uh cringe get away they make a similar joke i think three times in this movie but it's but it's a different canceling offense every time i'm not really sure which one they do was it was it all of them is it like cultural appropriation blackface and slurs i think they're the three they do i think so yeah yeah she dressed up as Beyonce for a halloween party yeah and every everyone like the camera makes sure to show everyone's sighing and being like oh what an awful human you must be and it's like okay just like yes well it comes across so circle jerky to me it's like all righty by the way this is the good part of the movie everybody this is the uh yeah start where nothing really happens yeah a lot of time where we just set up things so we can't really fuck anything up right now except oh this is kind of cringe it's me yeah you're right it's mainly cringe speaking of cringe now we have our fourth character duke he's played by uh david herester and um he opens with saints he's on the long lines of like so jimmy kimmel i'd like to say uh actually i love boobs i don't hate boobs well something and you just like what is what is like what's happening and then i best character already i don't know the ethnic slayer one is that was that's pretty pretty strong contention but oh no i'm oh yeah so what i should say is of course that uh and i knew part of parts of this i'd heard about this that there was a there was a gamer bro right winger uh alt right person in the movie that was like the like a meme just like knives out had one but the the one in this one has a bigger role and um man so uh he brings a girl on she's called whiskey and she says i love my boobs they're so much fun oops sorry feminists and then in the background he goes sorry for the side that rolled across the yeah we were all just like people think this is clever it's it feels like dry chances in the call telling you jokes about people he's heard say things he's like okay i don't even get it either why is he did someone accuse him of not liking boobs i really yeah i don't know i don't understand how that initial section to me i was seeing i thought he was trying to like ward off like accusations of being gay or something that could also be it um but why would jimmy kimmel be like oh this guy's gay he hates boobs like i don't understand how we get to hear yeah well it's really funny okay and then uh yeah he says like when you're asking a man to slow down so a woman can catch up it's the breastification of america men have dominated the western workplace because that's what nature made us to do and then immediately after he starts getting slapped by his mom for not doing everything she says like haha that's great get it pretty funny not while i'm live mom it sounds like the kind of joke you come up with this kind of half baked when you're like drunk at a party like would it be really funny if like a red pillow is like angrily talking about how men are amazing and then his mom is like shut up belly oh hilarious haha it'll be funny pass me the whiskey and uh and yeah that made it fully into the film he's that's the character and and of course he's like quite scared of his mom and and that's the point he's not like not everything he's he's uh gunning for i mean all these characters are sellouts as well so you know we got four of them introduced the the you've been given basically their whole characters already scientist man is a scientist they are not much more than this the fashion easter is stupid duke is a right-winger and uh who even was the fifth senator lady is like not that i don't know she's like neurotic basically it's like that's you've got all of your characters and you would think that for a film that's like two and a half hours long you would get to understand a lot more about them you don't know it basically this is more or less who they are which maybe that's the point you expect them to be more complicated but in reality they're incredibly simple maybe that's the point just like the point of this puzzle that they're about to do is see it's overly complicated when at the center is just this really simple thing so we recognize their story and you get it it's really clever it's it's foreshadowing for what the film is about yeah they have um a set up chess game that's made in one that they have to just move the right piece in the right place and then that completes and it gives them a what she calls oh i recognize that that's tic-tac-toe and then she's like it's solved so it's not tic-tac-toe then she goes it's tic-tac-toe and then they're like it's most code the x and zero is a dots and dashes and in the background just dumb ass characters like i recognize tic-tac-toe yeah what's funny is stupid get it the way that i guess you could argue it's cut so that we don't see the bullshit in between but you know how uh it's it's clear that the recognizes the mate in one thing and she moves it i was just thinking to myself like did anybody do that for the stupid character because she's not even gonna know what chess is yeah she just say out loud what move to make like you need to get the blue one and the thing is i could believe her mistaking all of this so it's just like yeah well because here's a problem they they are all in a call on the phone but they all have their phones like just lying down it's not like they use all their cameras on a group call and no yeah it's just voices and they're all just like the the the the phones are just on a table or something i probably should have mentioned the reason we're seeing all these characters is that they've all been delivered a big box that has puzzles on it i'm gonna go solve them all mystery box if you will they're all homies so yeah you solve that when you solve the noughts and crosses morse code one and then it opens up a thing we've got to create the word or the letter n out of a bunch of pieces are all over place and then move that north and then that unlocks the final like faces so that it's north and um once you do that you get the the final one which is probably the weirdest out of these four in terms of trying to make sense of this it's playing a song it's a music box playing a song and they're all like huh and then um you know a ditzy lady is like oh i'm gonna get shazam to to figure out what song it is like an app i guess every music hey how hey how does everybody think how they figure that puzzle out well so that's why i'm setting it up right that's actually something that makes some sense the idea that one of the characters puts the song into the phone the phone tells them what song it is and maybe that gives you a clue on how to solve the puzzle that could be something instead as you can see on screen some fucking guy just walks on screen and goes this is Bach's little fugue and G by the oh yeah our help elation comes in from off screen yeah a beautiful music puzzle based on one tune when you layer the tune on top of itself it changes into a new structure he just he just gives them not only the song name and who made it but also like an interpretation of what you could say that the whole point of it is and what the meaning is that applies to the puzzle what yeah that gives them the answer out of nowhere it's just like what the fuck i know yo ma what are you doing here and you know the woman in the background who's looking to talk to Alexa about her app to figure it out she ends up realizing she's talking to a lamp because that's yeah she's just really stupid stupid and yeah um i assume that's part of the intention of the joke like wouldn't it be funny if there's just this expert on music that's just sitting just off screen that explains all of it and it's like okay i could understand that maybe being funny at like a pink panther movie but it's really weird in your like incredibly genius who done it movie where you're just like out of these characters solve these puzzles like well some guy will just do it who's there you're like okay pretty cool yeah also duke's mom is in the background of his house it's like mom shut up it's like okay but the other thing that threw me off is that yo yo ma comes in he's like oh by the way this is what a fugue is and then they're like oh well then how do we solve it pull up the thing in the middle i don't understand how that follows at all no that doesn't translate at all he says a fugue is a beautiful music puzzle based on one tune when you layer the tune on top of itself it changes into a new structure what does that have to do with pulling up the middle yeah the only thing that person would think like oh wow what what does this have to do with it is what do we have to play it do we need another one to play on top of it do we need to play it on top of some other tune or something like this well so here's a thing with puzzle boxes so if you have like a part like this and on a puzzle box that's mostly in like is it called no sequential puzzle boxes because it's just a piece you can move so normally when you start figuring out that puzzle box like oh shit i have like parts here i can move but it's not really moving around uh but all they do is like find this one button that makes it open and then they don't touch any other parts anymore well they touch everything in perfect order exactly there's no like figuring out it is like oh we do this and this this this this and then for some reason they think oh we just need to pull the middle it's like that's something you would have probably tried anyway it's like oh i did all these puzzles put my little inputs in there so now oh there's probably some some button now that has been unlocked or or or something i can pull like in the middle but there's like oh hey this is the music that goes on top of itself and then it's something else like i don't know how you get to pull the thing in the middle because the only thing that fits is when when it starts spinning around it opens up new couple of puzzles that's the only thing it fits to this but it has nothing to do with pulling the thing yeah well i mean there's just no connection to that but yeah there we go it worked and it looked pretty all right and then there's some very sloppy direction where uh dave patiss's mom yells out that one's the vibonacci sequence even though she's across the room and can't physically see it nope it's like there's there's a few moments like that in the movie you know people in the past have said well you know ryan johnson's a good director he you know whether he's a good writer or not he's a good director and i really think he's a bad director in this one like there are a lot of scenes like that that are just really sloppy and they just don't make any physical sense because he can't keep track of where people are the whole lying aspect is definitely going to have him dark points you know because you know for sure that's the like what you show us is bullshit um but yeah you know i thing go ahead oh oh no i was just saying like that's just kind of the thing like i feel like in so many instances the characters just kind of sound like they're just reading the script and so it's like reading across the table on something i don't see they seem to know what the other characters are thinking already before they even know what they're thinking it's just so weird and fucking benny butts over here is just the perfect example of somebody who just reads the script like when he needs to and then all other times he's just dumb as a post yeah and like i said we are at the easy to understand almost kind of like fine part of the film where nothing really goes that wrong so if you're not having fun don't worry don't worry way worse um yeah do they realize at the center of the whole puzzle box is an invitation to a secret island where miles brawn the billionaires and fighting them all and he says that uh come here have some fun and solve the mystery of my murder like a fun puzzle game basically yeah that's like a thing they do like apparently every year for like a weekend or a week where they just come together because they're the old friendos we get introduced to a an additional character and she's got a box as well she goes off screen and then comes back on with a hammer and annihilates it basically and gets her invitation out of it the only good scene yeah it's kind of like it can be funny because it's just like oh yeah that is a quicker way of uh going through it the thing about it is like um i don't know um because maybe you'll say it but i feel like if someone delivered me this big heavy fancy box and everything like what kind of a barbarian just takes a hammer to it and destroys it and and it doesn't even seem like she destroys it in a way that's meant to just break the outer shell she just absolutely thrashes it with a hammer and you have all the puzzle pieces flying off and the colored bits and all the mechanisms on the inside is flying everywhere and i'm like it's fucking savage what are you doing well given her emotional state you i was about to say with the additional context you can argue but i actually do think it's a fair point to say if you wanted to see what was inside it she is hammering the fuck out of everything not just the open you know like not as he says evidence i think like evidence well when i had first you know yeah when i first saw that scene i at least uh they came with the tag from miles or ever and so my first instinct was like oh she's um she's clearly doesn't like miles very much whatsoever and so it's like when she starts smashing the box it just kind of made me think like oh she must be on to like his quirky bullshit and just will not even really care and just start smashing his shit just to get through it essentially i could make so it already basically said like oh yeah so this character does not like this miles and is not really willing to play along with this stupid shit so that's what i had garnered so that's actually when you say that it's a decent scene it's like yeah at least garnered plenty without it being spelled out it's one of the few instances where character is built in a way that is without dialogue and non-explicit well actually it's visually explicit but not explicitly sure but like it's it's building character and building character in a way that's at the very least consistent which is more than can be said for most of the scenes in this film exactly we don't get a lot of these so you know take it well it is so you gotta you gotta appreciate them yeah where you can find it um yeah and so they're all and hey maybe that's the point right she it's foreshadowing for how she's a disruptor because she cuts the bullshit to the core mystery see we're figuring things out as we go maybe we misjudged the film oh it's gonna be great yeah um i'm throwing these in just so that it's clear that it's like we understand what the film is about we got it we got it we're just saying that it's not very i don't know anybody who won't at this point everyone's yelling what it's about at each other you know it's like yeah i suppose there's that but it's just like yeah i don't understand it i don't think it's very well constructed yeah when a film just wants to solve itself with its own um you know omniscient knowledge it's not really all that clever it doesn't come across as intelligent or thoughtful there's no chance for anyone who's watching this to play along with the movie to try and discover things or think about there'll be opportunities later there's one scene in particular whoop yeah um so yeah with the knowledge that they're all off you you just catch uh duke saying ma where's my spear gun i got a pack there's my spear gun which is a strange thing i guess i want to take on this thing but sure yeah he's gonna have a spear gun um and then we see benoit blanc who is sitting in his bath playing among us well see that's foreshadowing as well for how there was an imposter among the the group that's like all that's like virtually all mystery stories i feel almost kind of isn't one of the people in the group is not who they seem to be well why isn't it clever though why isn't it clever uh yeah i don't know i feel like rags already just lined it out like that's just that's just normal in a murder mystery that someone is lying yeah it'd be weird if it wasn't that way you know unless you're referring to the person who's pretending to be a completely different person that's right well again all i need to do on that one is just talk about how much that makes no sense at all which we're gonna get to a little later i guess that's the point what i started to realize when this scene came up like you know i i skimmed it a second time i realized like oh here it is this is another foreshadowing scene of benny butt's here he's going to like this is basically saying oh look at this really stupid simple mystery game it's so dumb and i don't get it and i think that's foreshadowing for later i mean he says in this sequence i don't get it prompted by among us the you know he's a killy's heel is just things being too stupid and shit and uh he's losing his mind between cases he's he's a fueled up race car he needs danger and the hunt he needs challenge he needs a great case because the world's most famous detective fueled up how to work that's the thing he's he is the world's most greatest detective as apparently that's essentially just in universe the case like that's what he's considered he's just a famous detective known all over the world and he's got no work there are no there are no mysteries in the world and they're all well got solved he solved them all he's too good well no there's no mysteries because the pandemic is going on so no one is doing mystery stuff no more nobody's playing outside with the mysteries nobody murders anyone crime is over like it's all on hold we just all everybody what about the mystery of the origins of covid maybe we go on that there you go but the blanks can't do that that's the spicy oh so i'm gonna i even had it how do we how do we feel about the fact that he's actually bad at among us and clue i don't know why yeah among us like there's a load of uh the you know it's a game that has the chance like he said he doesn't even understand it it's like it makes no sense that's not commentary on the game being too simple for you to like engage with that's just countering you not understanding the rules yes what they could have done and we'll get more of this later is what they could have done and said he's not interested in it because it's not real he wants a real case it just doesn't engage him but what they say is that he's bad at it i'm like is he stupid it's not complicated same with clue it's like he should be good at clue i i it's such a stupid joke it makes no sense clue it comes with essentially checklist so that you could mark off things specifically as to who did what or who didn't do what it's just productive reasoning well i hate clue wasn't this whole trick it knives out that he knew that anadhyam is whatever a character's name was that she was like a good person like he figured out straight away yeah and he saw the blood issue knowing she was involved but he knew she wouldn't have hung up that so he should be very good at among us if you see somebody acting sush he teaches the kind of person well the kind of payoff you'd expect is that they all go blank wins again and he's sitting there like dejected like yeah i guess so well blank needs to be a different person in order to facilitate the point of this film never changes character like that it's madness well you sorry i didn't catch exactly what your point was there i thought you were trying to say that because he's shitting knives out so he can't he has to be shitted this too rebate consistent okay it's joe there are people who think that he's really really an amazing incredible detective and knives out though i think it's just that they like seeing daniel craig put on the southern accent i think that's it's so bad though his accent is terrible but do you like it is so hilarious like charming and how overt and silly it is that would be my guess because like i don't know i feel like nobody could tell me anything about when i'm blank like at all like they couldn't really tell me in the same way that people could about prior you know like or uh any no shella combs or any number of that frost or you know i don't know a lot of what a lot of what mr blank here has are really obnoxious forced quirks he's got the obnoxious corn dog accent he was flipping a coin in the last movie pinging a piano for no fucking reason they dropped both of those in this one yeah they dropped both and so it's like it's just so weird it just it's clear that they're just forcing character quirks in there to make him seem more off you know autistic or something like that so now it's all like oh no wonder he's so smart just so he's so quick the way he dresses as well right it's it's all meant to just make him stand out but a lot of the reason why they stand out is the characteristics not the quirks quirks can be annoying if anything just like because we all know why they're actually there you want them to be like that's represent i was gonna say you want them to be a result of characteristics not they're in spite of characteristics yeah i feel like he's representative of the movies themselves yeah in that regard that kind of makes sense um but they all arrive uh at the dock they're all gonna be getting on this ship soon and obviously all of them are friends except benoit blanc and they're all just like why are you here and then one of them is like oh we're doing a murder mystery must smiles must have invited him as a sort of like fun you know adding him into the mix like oh yeah okay and then duke shows up shooting his gun they're in a docking in greece i don't in a city they're just like at us they're in a city wait was he shooting his gun or is that the motorcycle yeah he just was rolling up shooting his gun in the air oh i missed that part yeah because asshole it's um it's the kind of shoe where i immediately i was like dude that's illegal i don't know if i'm gonna be an investigation the police like yeah but he's right wing and right wing is just shoot their guns everywhere didn't you know that we're not the ones who know better they wouldn't be the ones who know better i don't need this is what i mean like i i such a clowny like perspective to have that they'll just shoot everywhere it's like as as opposed to being more familiar with gun safety and rules than most since texas guy he just shooting guns in the air just every time he's happy yeah it's like it's not the same since they're loaded blanks what's the uh who's the character um yosemite sam uh huh yeah shoots his gun up in the air yeah um yeah that's just again it's just like sigh where they was like yeah okay um so that's what happens they're all wearing masks this is covid times we've had plenty of references to it and then ethan hawk shows up where the special medical gun quote unquote i don't even know if i uh i don't know what it is he sprays it in everyone's mouths one by one and all he says about it is you won't be needing your masks anymore you're good you'll well actually nobody asks what it is except oh yeah okay spray it right in there yeah this this annoys me so fucking much everybody just accepts this guy blowing bullshit into your mouth yeah no but like i struggle to believe any one person would do this let alone everyone here the joke here is that the crazy right wing person who thinks covid's like a conspiracy or something has this crazy little medical thing that they got off some infomercial or from some podcaster and they spray it into everyone's mouths and then they take their mask off erroneously that's the joke not that it actually works yeah this for me he basically what we're supposed to understand about this is it's a it's a covid cure for everybody here and it's just but he doesn't say that and i guess it's to avoid making this anymore complicated than the ryan wanted it to be well getting rid of it would be the way of making it less complicated well never you never had to acknowledge it in your universe yeah we never had to be a doing um but you know the reason we're bringing this up is because it's really a fake go ahead i think it's just weird that like benoit blanc is just like yeah what's this thing you're shooting in my mouth like he just is chill with it it's kind of like yeah when she hulk just like scrolled through the marvel nda and didn't start reading it's like you're a lawyer just the thing that's supposed to be put into it's the same way it's like you're a detective you know like yeah i mean we know like he's been brought like especially given the information that we know later in the story how does he know that like ethan hawk isn't aware of like other dynamics that you know absolutely you should well we can say it now for the sake of it basically the lives are in danger here as far as blanc is aware uh and the there's a lot of concern about exactly what's happening here so the idea that someone has a gun puts it in your mouth and just shoots liquid into it and you're just like he's like what what is that and he just goes it's good he's gonna make you good you worry about it yeah and then shoots and he's like okay but seriously what was that he's like now you're good that's it are you good and then i think i have i i have a right to know let me check the script oh we're good open wide i have a wide wide variety of medications like i said the the the the the covid is out for the rest of the film it's gone now any references to it yeah i don't think there are any references to it at all in terms of you know i feel like literally the only thing it was there to do was to show the one stupid chick with the mask that was just like the open netting thing yeah yeah so it's like well i have no there's this there's reason behind that like the right wingers don't have a mask she has the super thin one the senator has it over her mouth not over her nose and then the scientist i think is wearing it properly so is benoit yeah so it's like this very brief like oh look at who the assholes are in this movie they're all ass okay covid's gone now um oh yeah uh really really weird choice to show that everybody's just on board with getting that shit in their mouth i never ever ever would be i dude i'd hesitate to accept it if they told me what it was yeah i'd be like uh okay so when when did we agree to this and why is this necessary oh you gotta shoot me in the mouth with it yeah like what is your like what is your authority who even are you like you i'm Ethan hawk the famous actor in universe he's Ethan hawk yeah no i'm the the guy from moon night i got gloss in my shoes see gloss onion gloss shoes it all sold he was uh hey he was filming moon night and that's why he was able to do this apparently oh i was it like he was in the area yeah like he was only available because of where he was at that's funny that's pretty funny though i remember reading that he still had to take a flight to get here so maybe like there's small flights that actors consider like the same as we would a taxi or something i guess he was close enough yeah he was closer than he would normally be i think is the point he didn't have to fly across the world he was already maybe in the Mediterranean area the old roman imperial provinces he's got all of the blood trailing beneath his feet it's like oh yeah i like to keep in character even when i'm upset you know just i'm not sure what happened to ear hopefully he'll he'll pump back oh maybe he's going could be nothing i don't know covid got him he should have a real mystery we got that shot in the mouth and it killed him no he was the wrong gun dammit oh yeah i wanna it said real quick but uh duke says about that little little gun spray thing no pineapple in that right duke don't dance with pineapple uh-huh like okay i'm saying that because i don't like you don't like pineapple got it yeah he doesn't like pineapple um so anyway uh a glass question mark doc lifts up at the island and it's like uh linel is like whoa is that a bank see and then the pilot just says piece of shit he's like piece of oh wow that's what it's called yeah like for some reason linel doesn't pick up what he's saying when he says piece of shit yeah um but yeah uh that's gonna become relevant that's why i'm bringing it up you guys know what i'm talking about but yeah there's a doc why would a glass doc be a bank see he's like i don't know because he's rich don't you get it he's rich he does glass okay he's stupid anything he has would be the same as something from someone yeah but bank see is not whatever it's fine who cares it's he's so rich even bank see was convinced um but something i know uh miles is we see miles edward no one he's playing a song that was written for uh birdie and she and then he says uh this this is a very guitar it was written on she's like whoa and then he spots him wait he wasn't written for birdie i thought it i can't remember what he says it's a beatle song it's a blackbird oh sorry i thought he said i thought he said it was written for you um because i don't fucking know what's happening in this world to be honest with you no it's a it's a song and this is the guitar paul mccartney wrote it on i thought when she said you're serenading me with my song that it was to be honest with you i had two different theories i was like is a song she wrote a song that someone wrote for her the song makes you just likes it because bird but uh well maybe she's just so vain she thinks the song is about her seriously that's why she wore a blackface i wasn't 100 sure what i was supposed to gather from it so this is this is good that we have this moment where i figured out the point i was going to bring up though is that he tosses the guitar to the floor when uh he goes to see the next person's just like ah yeah which um that gave me physical pain yeah for me it's already like oh he's a cartoon they're always a cartoon like why no he wouldn't do that obviously he wouldn't do that if he recognizes the value of that thing even if it's not to him and to a friend he wouldn't just toss it to the ground i think he says like kidding or something or not really i don't know yeah yeah he says uh he was just joking he just wanted to see her expression oh well i thought he tossed a guitar to the ground though no no he he doesn't say he was kidding he says the look on your face it was worth it like getting the guitar just for this moment was that oh i thought he meant it was worth lying just for that little joke i didn't think he meant it was worth destroying a guitar that one of the most famous yeah no i think it's the in all history it was worth getting like the trouble of getting that guitar just to see the look on your face i think is the point also if as people have pointed out it's a right handed guitar and paul mccartney's left handed so that doesn't make sense but find out oh no whatever or my or my interpretation was correct get that's possible that's possible oh possible always we still say even with rags interpretation why the fuck do you just toss a guitar yeah because so he's evil okay and and by the way i guess like there's so many ways you could run this i was about to say like well then why would you care about it so much if he was to be just like throwing a guitar that means nothing to her technically but then it's like oh maybe she's too stupid to pick so you know the answer with her whenever she does anything is she could be that stupid unfortunately that's true yeah um i suppose just points of interest and i consider these things to be you know small pluses in and among a disaster he hugs clear and her expression she's like really happy to see him and good for a hug and as soon as she crosses past his view she's like very much unhappy and then when it faces back in his view it's happy again like it's you know it's the kind of stuff like okay yeah she clearly doesn't like him um but you know is this stuff like that i kind of like because it's a little bit more subtle than everything else yeah um yeah and duke hugs him it's all great but then he spots andy and has a similar reaction to a lot of people um but his seems to be the most shocked he's like oh my goodness what are you doing here kind of yeah you are yeah you're doing here what are you doing here we thought ryan got you maybe you did all right yeah you could still that could be ryan right now being like oh shit listen listen for the morse code tabs he's trying to tell us something yeah uh yeah and the way they do it as well like his shock is very strong they focus on it quite a bit and then it's just gone it's kind of funny in retrospect because the first run through the movie this is his shock to see someone who he wouldn't expect to come here because they have bad blood that's what you're supposed to have contextualized this as but second run through this doesn't really make sense at all actually like who this would be flooring in terms of him seeing her yeah this should be like one like a world shattering kind of things to the point where he would say you guys see her too right yeah or even worse but we'll get to it yeah um so uh yeah and ben walblanc survives and he's like what the fuck are you doing here it's like oh also the last character to introduce is guy there is just a guy on the island he walks around sometimes he says hi there's nothing more you really need to know than that his name is herring red it's just a random hippie or something it's not even a red herring he's nothing he's nothing he's just in the movie he was for me a bit because i'm like okay well he's gonna play a role in this right no no i kind of figured from the beginning that he wasn't gonna play a role actually i could figure that ryan would commit to having him be absolutely useless yeah exactly he's worthless see because you're overthinking it too much not everything is related to this central mystery that you're buying into i'm smart well i guess another example would be they have the hourly dong what is the what is the value of that other than just oh i'll tell you the value of an hourly dong moller oh my god go ahead later not here all right yeah well actually not just i'm just making a promise one thing to know is that that that sound is is joseph gordon levitt who has a cameo in every one of ryan johnson's movies that's a fun fact for you good for him i guess yeah it's a very i think for this cast that's kind of the fun fact of right all right i accept that as information um but yeah it's it just goes dong for every for every hour and i i think that i'm just mentioning it because uh he then says i got phil glas to compose that dong and they have dumb ass character say who's phil gas like well like you said phil glas this isn't is a knee slapper that's what it is that she's so dumb my favorite character yeah it's really so dumb she can't even hear she can't even hear i can't even hear yes then again i guess yeah so fun um this is i know it's a dumb joke but why would how how do you how does phil glas compose one single dong it's just a bell that's this is a moment where they would say you don't get it to you that's what's funny about it it's funny because you get someone so talented to make something so small and stupid ah he's very rich because he's rich he throws it around he's jumble everybody else do things for him uh why didn't he say he got discord and love it to do it that might have been funny that would actually probably make it because that would be more confusing just like yeah yeah he got so i isn't in any way known for being a musician or anything like that to compose it and it actually is his voice so that anyway it's fine but they have to stay on the theme so make it dumb we we learn that they have rooms they are assigned by the chakra they are most closely associated with by miles and uh using their bio rhythm monitors you can access your rooms even says acts as a key i wait real quick wow real quick oh okay yeah go back go actual okay so after they're starting to leave the beach and ben was like is someone gonna get our bags i guess okay i guess we'll just leave them there then andy and um ben wah introduced themselves they'd like they introduced themselves even though no one is looking at them oh you i assume you want this highlighted now just as a yeah this is a little perfectly normal on the first way around isn't it yeah i think so that's fair enough makes perfect sense the first time around i would only uh anyway so yeah uh uh the i was just gonna say it all as reality and then people can comment as they wish so they've got little wrist bands the wrist bands have a chakra associated with them and they'll have a biorhythmic monitor that acts as a key for the individual rooms and uh these wrist bands will lead them to their rooms using haptic features yeah it's pretty cool so all this pretty annoying well all this to me is just like wow what crazy bull should just give me a fucking key card dude it doesn't even matter it's not like it doesn't matter at all you're right it never comes up it only gets in the way no like us yeah he's going in like a bunch of red herrings essentially and i'm pretty sure the dong was a red herring and the haptics was a red herring but when you throw a red herring like generally you throw it someplace but you don't like throw it down where you're walking and then slip over it well the problem is because it it goes out of play and it's like well how does certain characters get into certain places later in the film they all left the doors open the way that they work uh yeah well good thing they did that so i mean yeah if you hadn't established you need a key to get into each of these doors that they all have individually then there'd be less issues because we would all just assume oh i guess you can they all trust each other they can get into these rooms easily but i think what ryan's basically trying to do is being all like oh you know who those of you who are familiar with the who done it genre oh maybe you should pay attention to these but then neither one of them ever come up and i think he's just like haha it's so funny because you guys thought it would leave somewhere but it didn't because it's stupid it's it's worse than that desk because it causes problems as an element in the story well and so just with just tell me out what does it mean to be happy by a wristband to be haptically guided to your room what does that mean i know i guess the way that it vibrates or pulses yeah yeah that sounds incredibly fucking annoying yeah when you're playing in god of war ragnarok right when you need when you're looking for the pieces of the mask and then you you whip out the mask and oh god it'd be that just forever though you're like can you just tell me where i pointed the direction of my room and he's like no you got to figure it out with your haptic feedback like i got a mystery but the part of this is funny is like i could see someone being like yeah it isn't that's the point isn't it he's such an idiot that miles he's such a fucking moron that that's what he would do it's it's like how are we going with this stupidity thing can you just be normal very very no it's a sure verse of bad here i am being punished for thinking about it wondering oh you know maybe he put trackers in them and he's gonna use that to his advantage later uh no since he's very clearly the bad guy obviously the whole time no no i thought maybe oh okay well there's probably trackers in those and that will come into play bad guy is clearly uh Ethan hawk ah and he's giving them all a poison injection right at the beginning they're all gonna know yeah what if that was the murder the whole time injection is haptic yes so um yeah he uh he drags uh well he says i'm happy you're here andy and then says benoit gonna need to have a chat with you and uh mr blonk is like oh my god oh my god he's like a kid in a candy store is kind of strange he's like look at that oh this is great gee whiz jimmy willik is and he's like if there's any role you'd like me to play jimmy no murder mystery um and then he gets cut off he's like is that a motor car when a motor car why why why are you motor cars why would you say it because he's quirky he says things like that yeah and uh this is one of the many examples of just how much this character sucks he's like uh the response to him saying that is is um edwin all being like well it it goes with me wherever i go and he says why is it on the roof and he's like because i can't really drive it around the island no roads here yeah like to me i'm just like wherever he goes that's foreshadowing for where it goes at the end of the film true a genius film uh what i'm here for to just highlight all of those brilliant foreshadowing it's just that this is one of those moments where you you could picture uh benoit looking at it and knowing exactly what's going on with that it's it's clearly a prized possession of his that he's got in this position to show off it's like a big old amazing trophy to him it's not even for driving necessarily it's like a an achievement but he's just like why is it on the roof you can't drive it all the roof it's like okay is that a horseless carriage what modern wonders will they conceive of? Look at how uncomfortable those chairs are yes look at how shit they are oh the desk it'll give you like bumps honey oh god you don't want to put your arms on there look at it see but on miles the side it's not a normal on the on the guest side it's not so they get to suffer yeah yeah then uh then benoit says um the wooden box was sent to my home with some simple children's puzzles to solve and they have a little reaction shot of uh miles being like why like like you know partial offense partial confusion um I was gonna happy to talk about this one because I mentioned it while we're watching it and there's a couple of ways to read this I think the go make it go from making sense to not making sense to making sense again and then not not making sense again to run it through you like you see he's a great detective so puzzles like the puzzles we saw at the beginning are puzzles that he would consider to be children's ones and I think the counter to that is no he's a detective and he's aware that he's a detective he knows the difference between an adult puzzle and a children's puzzle he should know very well that the puzzles he was solving as much as they may be easy they are not children's puzzles um whether or not a child can solve them and be like okay but say that you'd have to be either an idiot or just kind of a jerk wow see so this is this is this is that's the thing this is a counter to that counter he's doing it to piss miles off we know that he wants to uh kind of shake his ego a little bit when we find out more so you're like you could argue that and it's like well no why would he do that that's just gonna make him look a little bit more suspect when there's absolutely no reason to do that there's no benefit he gets by making fun of miles here if anything seems to me like a biny character flex well so I'm actually curious what is the intention here if it is uh on the on behalf of like just Ben was got a bit of an ego and so you wanted to let him know yeah I fucking ace those puzzles you know that he didn't beat those puzzles he just got given the broken ones so really it's just about hurting miles his ego right that's why he says that I think essentially but I think at the same time I think it's just spelling it out to the audience all like oh the puzzles were simple but they all like oh four shadow you know what they weren't though yeah well you know I couldn't I wouldn't have been able to solve these puzzles I mean remember music one was just the music one isn't even about it's not the name of the song or who made it it's the meaning behind like the nature of the songs and then what you're supposed to do on the board with that it's like what you think everyone's figuring that out easily I don't know if we just have a handy asian dude sitting next to us like all of us yeah we're all friends with yo yo ma and we just keep them around for stuff like that so yeah um I always found that that comment to be more so it's fun for the audience to be like yeah yeah your puzzles at children level and it's like we're all sitting like as if you could all solve it and the other thing the other layer if you will is that we've already established that he's bad at children's puzzle games yeah he said his his Achilles heel is simple puzzles yeah he's bad at those feels a bit except for when he isn't feels a bit jumbled to me and yeah I um I think his goal as I think even gets the point of stating it is to come across when he's here as as sort of welcoming and warm and chill as possible to ease information out of people as much as he can so you think so but making fun of miles here isn't exactly like the best choice and I honestly think Miles should be able to pick that up just be like if I was sitting down I'd be like he just described those as children's puzzles why like are you just trying to annoy me or because the funny thing is he didn't even design the puzzles on those two right this is no it's a point of criticism from ben war in this film that he didn't design those puzzles and not even his and it's like so you're not even making fun of him at that point yeah it's who he hired do I mean there's there's a lot the more layers you peel more like wait a minute did Ryan even think this far or do you just want to throw that in I don't know but you see the more then this will be the defense the more you look into it the more it doesn't make sense it's just how sad are we for wanting this glass onion movie to make some level of logical sense but at the same time it's brilliant though guys because it's also like calling them simple might be because he didn't actually solve them it's like I I think we have so many explanations it's impossible to tell because I think all of them lead to different motivations different goals and a lot of them fall apart in terms of like why would he be doing that now it's there's so many options I don't even know what to do with it so we could just keep going I mean there's a much more relevant problem here in that why would miles at all let this guy stay on oh we're nearly there just because that's a huge plot yeah I'll go massive I'll summarize the conversation so he's like is it the do you um it miles like do you have the invitation he's like yes of course and he provides it and then he's like uh this is just like all the other ones and he goes is there some way to reset the box and then he goes oh someone reset it and sent it to you as a gag because we're doing a murder mystery and he's like oh I am modified and then he's like why I have the pre-definite detective at a murder mystery and he's like mr. brawn I've learned an anonymous invitation is not to be trifled with which I guess is a reference to the first knives out that was anonymous um and then he's like I'd love to have you here you're officially invited try and solve the murder it's gonna be pretty amazing like he basically just sells it as top notch and yes uh that is a very fair comment yeah both before and after completing the film why the hell did he allow ben water stay there's problems with this scene I think both right now on its face and also after we get the after we learn everything yeah this scene gets worse with age yes oh yeah absolutely it does and even here there is this element of you have the world's most famous detective and you set up this little murder mystery party for all your friends do you don't that's like um I don't know it's like maybe like maybe you've got a daughter and she loves volleyball and so you rent out like a volleyball court and she gets all her friends and they play volleyball yeah we're having a good time it's wonderful oh look there's pickle and then you also invite like the world's champion top gold medalist volleyball and she just fucking demolishes all those little shits and she puts them in their place yeah um oh and to do just pretty much the same analogy but just really help drive this home if you created a mini golf course like 20 courses all for your friends and then just the fucking best mini golf player in the world just turns up and says can i play too tiger woods or whatever and to remember it's even worse than that because the way this should work is first let's just call it this first person to actually you know uh pop the the balls in uh the mini golf tournament it's over for the rest of them let's put it that way that's how it works if it were like that it's like of course i don't want a fucking expert here what do you mean this is gonna ruin everything yeah that's right it's not even like mini golf because you everyone can play after tiger woods finishes and loops you times around everyone can still have fun but yeah once it's solved it's solved no one else can solve it this is like it doesn't get more clear than the example you created a murder mystery everyone can guess the second they think they have it and the person that does it wins and it's over for the rest of them and you're inviting a guy who that's his job yeah why you don't even know him how is this fun for you and the the answer the question of course is well but he needs to be in the story like oh oh well then yeah it's really really lame uh this is one of the many ways the whole film crashes unfortunately because if Benoit was not here they'll be extremely different results oh yes it's kind of annoying but that's that's that yeah he's staying that's that's the decision that uh Miles makes so continuing on um there's some hard kombucha that was sent by Jared Leto uh but everyone it's morbon juice once again his name is associated with quality yeah um but the thing is it's uh it's a part of a clue kind of it's in a little model version of Miles's car all the bottles and then Duke is like oh that you know that car baby blue remember the time you almost pancake me with that car outside of and and then he gets cut off and Miles says Anderson Cooper's birthday Coop's party is a memorable name which is really weird in retrospect like almost really want to talk about this now but i don't know if it's hard i don't know if i'll remember to talk about this later i'll remember i'll write it i'll write it down write it down all right my god we'll talk about i just i just uh what we'll say now is that conveniently the camera cuts away from Duke so we don't get to see his response to that yes oh yeah that's right more lies more lies lies you see if you just don't give people relevant information and go out of your way to hide relevant information in this who done it that's really it's really clever so then uh Duke shoots his gun again because why not as they do he's s-haul man reminding your eyes like writing yours uh in this mood of mystery the gun may become relevant don't you worry uh and then Benoit because he is an incredibly talented detective stands in the middle of the pool and stares at two people having a conversation um maybe just thought they were hot i was getting so fucking frustrated with this shit man okay i this is the kind of stuff that where i'm just like you're a world-renowned detective how you can't remember all you did like the the way i find it more believable is if he was like walking backwards or pretending to sort of swim while getting near enough to them to kind of listen to he's just fucking staring at them and the by the way they notice he is staring at them once we see them in a different angle later on in the film yeah looks a bit like a creep to be honest well and they're like just staring at me ever yeah and they're like oh shit close well he's not close enough to hear them anyway so i don't even know what he's fucking looking at just like what is he talking what is he's accomplishing to creep him out yeah if the world-famous detective goes around staring at people in pools it's gonna it's gonna be a little you know so maybe that was the trend back in 1947 or whatever time period he's from time machine he stepped out of to get into this movie yeah so peg and birdie the fashionista they're having a chat and birdie's annoyed she's sad because she used to be the cool popular one that uh myles wanted to hang out with but you know if anything it's now the reverse and she she thinks that sucks she wants it to go back to the other days and times now when you first go through this movie you might have been gathering from kind of what they've set up that myles is going to have a quote-unquote murder and you have to figure out who tried to kill him now i i even thought this when i was first watching it that he was going to die for real and that we'd have to figure out oh shit who's the actual killer and so what they're doing here is like see she kind of has a motive and i just be like no she doesn't it's not a motive to kill someone jesus i mean she's really stupid so maybe doesn't yeah yeah it could translate that's true see you just missed out on a certain movie you're fucking it damn it yeah everything is stupid and that's genius everything is stupid either stupid or arrogant and that kind of covers all the bases oh pretty much joy so benoit comes out of the uh the bathroom and he notices the in the i guess i don't know if this is like the living room or whatever in this place but he's like is that a fax machine why is that yeah and and they're like well myles doesn't even have a phone i can imagine uh leblanc going to the wall and just like flicking on the light switch and then the light pops in like the power of the sun and the power of the sun how are you harness just magnificent magic i just want everyone to know uh myles is what they referred to in this film as a tech billionaire and he doesn't have a phone okay tech cleaners are quirky and strange instead he has i want everyone to understand this sorry because we've already gotten over this we've had several days to never will mawler but these people in chat have never heard of this before myles does not have a phone he instead in every location that he owns throughout the world as a billionaire has and brace yourself sit down put your belts on he has a got my belt on fax machine right everywhere in the world and it just automatically prints out any and all information that's sent to him be sensitive it could be the most sensitive emails you could imagine it's a fax machine he has one in every location he's familiar with and they all print out a copy of whatever anyone's sending to him at the time yeah this to me what is on par if not where i don't know which one do you think is worse this or the vomiting whenever you lie shit this the fax machine is actually relevant yes it let's yeah we can get to how that this clues them on as to how myles is a major suspect for how this could have happened if you're um we'll get we'll get well wait i'll i'll put it in chat so work with just a phone you know well keep talking somebody so i can tell him well it's like the thing with the the thing with the lying and knives out it's just that it's like it's such an insane impossibility you know that a character would even have that trait in the first place yes but at least it's even just a little bit more understandable than stupid fax machine thing because i can imagine if somebody feels like on under pressure they can at least feel like kind of queasy i guess maybe not to the point where they barf like five seconds later but it's or a minute depends yeah but a tech billionaire who could be anywhere at time and somebody needs to get a hold of him to call him for anything is just using fax machines at fixed locations like how the fuck does he even stay in business that's that's a very good question i think the thing with the vomiting is that people don't treat the uh the she can't the fact that she can't lie to like they don't use that throughout the movie like you could solve the movie pretty quickly if you just ask her more appropriate questions and then no one ever does that i don't know it's close they're in the same league i would say yeah they're they're in the same league but this fax machine is so much less plausible by a country mile i think it's a it's beyond absurd and like just destructive in terms of something you have to make me believe this man has faxes everywhere that just openly print everything that he ever has sent to him to any level of private information who knows who takes care of all these buildings it's just there there's nothing secure about it it's just in case miles has to walk into that room randomly and there's something that he needs to have then there's a fax there that three weeks ago spat out that piece of paper look what's being printed right now it looks like a series of numbers it could even be bank account numbers don't know whatever be any benoit blanc can have a look see if he wants why not yeah and the other thing he says is that i just really like analog this is not analog that's the point i i wrote that down to you he likes analog tech like a fax machine why doesn't he like use a telegram or something instead yeah the block knows what those are well that's the thing because he believes that that is analog but again the tech billionaire that meant to be the joke that he yeah yeah does does he not have anybody to tell him what analog actually is or does he no that's no you don't understand all of the point is that he has a lot of dumb ideas but nobody tells him because he's okay well here's the thing based on that based on how he's characterized i literally think it's impossible that he's a successful tech billionaire i just yeah i cannot believe it at all when you get to that extreme where he just doesn't understand like basic anything you know booty is the same way right like she's just too stupid to live she has to be reminded to breathe well we actually made that joke when watching it what are the characters does indeed die from what looks like asphyxiation we were like they forgot how to breathe they're that stupid um so this is where uh he explains himself i guess and all of this to benoit he's like we're a team because disruptors recognize each other uh birdie was on top of the world as a disruptor and then she did the halloween costume tribute to Beyonce and everything fell apart but she disrupted her own disruption by making sweat pants during a pandemic and she made a killing and he's sort of sitting there like uh oh okay and then he says look at duke people think he's just like a slab of meat and then he went on to become the first influencer on twitch to have a million followers wow twitch i've heard of that is that disruption no i don't know that's that's the opposite that's playing within the bounds of the established building it up that's like just seems normal yeah this is just operating on a gradual growth this seems like the opposite of disruption disruption is like i burn twitch down is that the point because he's stupid i don't know we'll be asking that a couple times let's rewind maybe it's because the kinds of opinions he has because benoit asks a very important question that i wonder at all times while watching this movie is why are they even friends any of these people he says you know you're such an eclectic bunch and then uh myles says that oh disruptors recognize or no other disruptors and based on the way he describes everyone it makes it sound like they all became friends recognizing their own achievements in different fields and that's how they met and got together but we're gonna find out that that's not true at all yeah because when they met they all had nothing basically yes but you know you are absolutely right i have no idea how this group of people became friends they are all completely disparate and they had nothing when they met yes it's bad here but it gets worse later the one thing i'll say before we skip past birdie is that her story makes absolutely no sense so he says that she was a fashionista you know she's on the cover of magazines all that sort of fun stuff he describes that as being part of the establishment bullshit so she's not a disruptor yet she becomes a disruptor by wearing blackface and getting canceled and then he makes it seem like she invented designer sweatpants i don't understand that in 2020 yeah i don't understand that i guess she made really really good ones maybe because it's the pandemic everyone's chill at home and then he's wetpants there are companies that are making that already yeah but she makes them so good and so cheap they make the killing that's not disruption i don't know how is that well the way he describes it she disrupted her own disruption so as he said that she tanked her own career with the the uh inappropriate halloween costume and then she tanked her own tanking with making more money like it's just he's contextualizing just the things that happen as disruption and i guess that's the point yeah see you got it why do you have to think about it so much i just i just find that so beyond unsatisfying among all of the bullshit like contradictions that that's what i'm getting from this character it's just like don't understand anything he's saying because if you do you'll realize he's stupid and that's it you're like okay then the problem is that there are other characters in the film who also say things that don't really follow logically but that's like not like the detective it's well it's a fuck up right it's a mistake you've you've made a mistake writing these characters madness but in this case he's never heard of there are no flaws with tlj that he's heard i'll have you know yeah he says um clear is a soccer mom in beige throwing grenades into machine politics and Lionel didn't wait 10 years licking on the taint of academia to push boundaries in science he just did it yeah i think once again we would just like oh my god look at him with his science you go science man um yeah and he says if you want to shake things up you start small some normal convention or whatever you break something people want broken anyway that's the infraction point but then we'll break more things bigger things break something no one wants you to break because it turns out nobody wants you to break the system itself that's the true disruption everyone here got to that line and crossed it and that was uh that that yeah that's supposed to be i guess it's foreshadowing for something that happens at the end of the film maybe yeah that speech you can come back to what they meant we'll get there you can come back to that speech for a lot of things that happen in this movie um it's just it's especially confusing in terms of um what the hell ryan was going for does he believe in it or does he not because it is the almost the villain speech and he's the disruptor right like he comes into the genres and differentiizes and then mixes them up which is kind of funny right you've written a story that is to now maybe that's not what he meant at all but if it could be interpreted as what a story that venerates his own process of making films well because yeah this like i said villain speech but it seems to apply to the quote unquote hero of this movie at least that's what i think the film's going for in which case are you validating the perspective and in which case are you applying it to what you did to star wars because a lot of people have said that's what it seems to be whether or not they're in favor of the film i've seen people saying that but like there's no robust argument against that perspective in this film the the perspective the counter is like a caricature well the counter is you're an idiot right that's what it is right okay the only the only reasonable counter is that you're stupid well and you have the the the quote unquote hero being like that's some real red pill stuff miles which is a little bit confusing to me that's pretty embarrassing line as well yeah it's a lot of those though it's only embarrassing if you're not based um yeah and then she does the thing she this is all stuff you could have tried to draw um if if not a little bit vaguely sometimes i think overt but she just goes around the room and says linel you work for miles miles bank rolls clears campaign miles is invested in birdie and when duke i can't believe this one guys those ones what i was criticizing with those ones are the we could have figured that out for ourselves but you've just told us explicitly yeah so we understand the story thank you very much but the last one there was any room for misunderstanding these caricatures and instead of feeling one place yeah instead of feeling you know that it was explicit with the last word is she says when duke got banned from twitch miles set him up on youtube and promoted stream what made him a youtube account he made him a youtube account are you making a youtube account i don't understand what does it mean for a billionaire to set somebody up does it mean that he like paid for ads or something to roll i i can i can understand if he said he promoted but the reality is if some let's just say elon musk had a stream where he promoted efab or something um it might it'll like give us a boost of some kind but if he did it once and he was like over that it would just be dead window immediately yeah because people aren't that interested in that kind of thing they need to be a big crossover what is the crossover of that well it's just he set him up don't think about it just this one i mean it's just like oh what happened to your head right he just wanted to reference youtube and twitch and stuff but he doesn't understand these ecosystems yeah because it comes across as though he's aware of among us because he maybe watched aoc playing it and then he was like what is this on the site and it's like it's on twitch what's twitch it's a site where people play games and they have followers and they didn't he's like oh my character will do that my there he goes blocking real life it's like you can't you couldn't have gone one dude one gamer bro could be like oh no you wouldn't see that one gamer bro who said well you probably wouldn't say that's like shut the fuck up i'm the fucking writer yeah you're just you're just the gamer bro here on set oh well maybe not you know i don't know maybe everybody was like this is fine it's part of some broader like objective with this narrative either way she's made the point real clear and then she ends with saying all of you are holding on to miles as golden titties and you won't let go thanks for spelling it out yeah and she says like and all of you she says all of you would stab a friend in the back just to hold on and so like thank you for declaring something that will happen later in the film well it's weird because she makes this point even grander and again in not 10 minutes from now and then again later on and it's so mind-numbing in terms of like i get it man like these characters that's you know we are by the way i don't even know this chat but we're getting close to 40 minutes in yeah the first like hour and 10 minutes just it's insane how little how little progress we've made in terms of story remember that the whole box opening thing sequence it just had this cut it like it just doesn't yeah it could have just been an envelope it literally could have just been envelopes yeah he introduced all and then it would at least make sense a little more sense why benoit blanc is there right here anyway oh i forgot to bring that up they can't figure out how who played the gag of getting benoit blanc to turn up here and i was just like why don't you just ask now you might be like well because people will just say no it's like no no you don't know like he believes it's a funny thing to do that's a fun thing to do to bring the world's best detective to the middle mystery i kind of like that it's like so who who did actually do it and then i was thinking man if the invites just had two and then person's name we'd know yeah or there is some there's something on the card that has a marking and i'm not even going that far because um he he looks at the card and is so it would have been i mean we're almost there but you guys know whose card that would be and it's not like he can fake it so well that's another thing you probably should be in a position where you can make them so they can't be faked or you have a tracking pin in them or you have a unique id and he loves analog no if he likes analog why wouldn't he send something that's more fitting with analog well but also like why would he do anything like that when he has like zero cameras in this entire building if you have cameras in this giant building then that changes everything that changes so much so we have to assume that there are no cameras here we actually do have to assume that for many reasons the whole film falls apart well the whole film falls apart the protagonist goes to jail for a long time the tech billionaire name one tech billionaire in the place has cameras i bet you can't god we're gonna get him again he uses fax machine so i guess he has no cameras fortunately he thinks otherwise the whole film plays out in a very very very different way but like do you know i mean everyone's he doesn't have one if everyone's sitting down and he just goes so anyway who did invite benoit and they're all looking around like well it wasn't me not me not me not me not me and then you know the person who did it would also say not me maybe like nobody wants to own up is you're not in trouble i think it's great that he's here who did none of you and then want to show me your invites exactly and there's gonna be a person without one isn't that a thing where you have to you'd have to show your invite or it's like no rags no you just need to know where the place was oh okay it's so dumb because then he'd be like you guys know right we already know this is bad enough on it is but it is even worse if you've done that and there was he realized who brought him he might be like oh shit you brought him oh and then yeah so yeah yeah um anyway uh she shits on the whole parade and and then miles gets up and goes but uh a couple of lines up to this point bird he's been talking about how she's just a truth teller she tells it like it is and nobody likes that and to be fair yeah i've met people who say that all the time as well um and uh benoit says it's a dangerous thing to mistake speaking without thought for speaking the truth and then she goes are you calling me dangerous and kind of annoyed me because i was like he he come on he pretty blatantly insulted you there that wasn't oh she's the glass half full kind of gal she she hears that and she interprets is you know yeah yeah but that's almost a smarter move than a stupid yeah but i because you know if it was a smart character who said something like that in response you'd be like uh this side sidestepping the whole you just call them stupid thing to take the dangerous but because she's so stupid i think the point is that she didn't even recognize he called it stupid and only recognize dangerous it's like yeah okay you know you know how it goes already don't i don't know um others it's just a small thing but i kind of hate that no one there responds to andy like in their own defense everyone's just like yeah you're right they'll just sit there and take it well they're all evil and they know and you know how evil people always accept guilt for the things that they've done yeah i don't like they create any number of rationalizations for the choices that they've made yeah um some use dropping happens i don't want to talk about these dropping until we get further along because my god that's a subject leave that alone for a sec so they end up uh in yeah i'm gonna leave all of this for now basically there's just lots of things are being picked up in terms of information we're gonna get a whole scene talking about all the stuff that was picked up later so we'll just keep moving for a sec um some of this annoying especially on my latest watch through i realized he gives them all personalized drinks they're all their favorite drinks and everyone's very happy with their drinks too he knows them pretty well and he's got them all their drinks you look at the glasses everyone gets or at least the containers for their drink all of them are extremely different except it just so happens that miles and duke have almost the exact same glass that is right considering that the event that plays out was spontaneous exactly you know what i'm getting at that annoyed me i was like oh great because of course if duke liked any of the other drinks then uh that would have been awkward wouldn't it i didn't he just make all of the glasses look exactly the same that would have been a spot to move because ryan doesn't redraft he will refuse to redraft see what was cool is like he's handing out someone you know very specific like scotch glass someone gets a wine glass and then he gives a peg like a party cup you know because he's like i guess that's to imply maybe that he doesn't take it seriously or it implies that that is legit her favorite kind of drink an environment she looks she's like a student or something you know it there's plenty of control from it that's great then it's like well it just fucks up your huge payoff coming but that's fine don't you worry about it uh so yeah this is just i guess he's gonna start explaining i guess the glass onion um oh sorry i didn't want to go too far um benoit starts eating like a wrap and then says uh oh that has a kick and he's like oh yeah because you're using jeremy rena's hot sauce and um another name and then he says this yeah he sends me a whole bunch of those hot sauce you should have some just keeps keep a few go ahead that's gonna be very relevant later i would argue it's gonna be hyper relevant later and you know when someone tells you that you can have some hot sauce and you're visiting what you do is you don't like take it back to your room you don't put it in your luggage you don't set it up in your room i'm not gonna put it in your well oh well three you see here's the thing that's where you're wrong you you keep it on you at all times whenever something needs to be sauced it is there well yeah but maybe the sauce helps and this kind of shit i really like this i guess is better than out of nowhere stuff which he does plenty of this is still really annoying where like you know we're just playing a chess game at the beginning of movie two guys and then one of them is like you beat me at the chess game here's your reward it's a collapsible ladder and you're like what and like enjoy your collapsible ladder there you go and then later on the movie you're in a cave and there's this really decently sized chunk of land you can't get past like if only we had like oh and then he gets his collapsible land you're like what come on like i knew that's like a comedy thing yeah it's someone just happens to need this is partially a comedy this is partially a comedy shut up well i guess you're sorry i guess that takes care of that that takes care of that yeah well no he doesn't know it's no longer stupid he doesn't even seem to enjoy how spicy it is it looks like he's not enjoying it so why would he take some with him yeah exactly he says it has a kick maybe he did enjoy it it didn't look like it he's like coughing then we have a really weird line welcome to decipher us as you wish uh she's uh uh claire says why do you have the Mona Lisa in this room it's like having a shea poster in your dorm room what's a shea poster like a shea guvara yeah yeah i don't understand what connection i don't know does this for me i i'm not clear on what she's trying to say having the Mona Lisa in your glass onion is on the level of having that doesn't doesn't she say that i thought the idea was that everything else is very like modern and expensive looking but she's like oh and i think i think the conclusion it's yeah fake print like oh yeah without not a fake print but not the real thing so why would you have just a print of the Mona Lisa in a museum that has all these other so she's under the impression that everything else is real that's fake yes yeah which which um i guess you could well i was about to say i guess you could say it's reasonable i don't know what's in this fucking room to be honest with you i haven't checked yeah um obviously yeah i think it is reasonable most people would assume that is a fake Mona Lisa not the real one that's that's in fact because the real one would be yeah because you're not gonna have the real one nobody would have yeah other no gun happened there would be insane clearly so anyway that's the real Mona Lisa oh fuck that happened um and yeah so i'm just gonna yeah first of all that's the real Mona Lisa and here's here's how it's the real Mona Lisa in universe um myles says the louvre closed thanks to the pandemic france needed money and so i bought myself a little short-term loan the costs were mainly in the transport don't tell the insurance guys but i installed an override button for its security i need to be able to look at her in the eyes without the glass between us oh he's um uh if he hadn't he'd be hadn't done it like that man if only away so the fact that he even hasn't of course okay sure dude so i think the important part to point out here is it's not his it's on a loan this is on loan this is everything this is why it's in the it's in the thumbnail right we were happy to spoil that yeah okay uh never have it in a million fucking what do we stop well you know what i would like to point out him him calling it the louvre um it does not even make sense when everyone he would have spoken to and all the transport ship for this you would have heard everyone else calling it the louvre all the time like that kind of stuff i don't get i don't see how i could possibly fill up gas like that happened again with that remember well i guess you could argue that one was misheard as in like someone says glass and then she goes gas but this one is like he's only ever heard the word pronounced correctly surely you want to come walk through the louvre all right here's the Mona Lisa in the louvre and then he's like ah yes in the louvre yeah it's like this stewie griffin it's the stewie griffin cool whip yeah um so and then he's like so why is it here the louvre closed thanks to the pandemic i doubt it but okay well i mean does he mean like closed temporarily well he means temporarily right well but you move on the next line is france need money it's like um oh france would rather die than give up on lisa or just any other means by which governments raise money for themselves no they loan out the Mona Lisa to billionaires to have on their islands i guess and then they make sure all the time island with absolutely fuck all security measures except for this little thing that can be overridden well yeah so if i can explain and if i'll explain yeah so there are no cameras on it as we have to assume there are no cameras in this film yeah which is insane that there would be no cameras there were eyes all the time on that honor system the french would please just make sure it's well taken care of don't scratch it don't drop it you know um you know so we don't send any guards no cameras just just take care of it all right we're cool right i'll say you're cool people listening the way this works is it's in like an encased secure thing that protects it from everything however when you stand far enough away from it and leave it alone it'll come down it'll be nice and safe you could even theoretically you could just shoot it from a distance and well actually i was about to say i wonder if that this the shield would come up from the sound of the gun but the bullet would reach it by the time it's done in the course yeah yeah pretty much so uh whenever a loud sound or a significant vibration happens a shield comes up a glass shield and that's well so that is its form of protection already that's incredibly fucking stupid i don't even know like very what the fuck it would just be you need this thing under every secure thing and if miles had a way of looking directly at it without the glass in the way it wouldn't be a little doll that you press in front of it and neither would he tell everybody about it yeah allow me to show all of this gaggle of idiots just like we're just gonna show them exactly what it is to my most precious possession yeah really well he probably doesn't think he's there they're idiots well so the response to this is of course yeah but he's stupid though but even stupid people can love something so much that they want to protect it from everything right are people too stupid to not know preciousness at this point it's almost like they would be setting up the character that he's dumb but he he adores arch and that's the thing that he's super like on the way by the way he uh he adores the Mona Lisa he loves it right one of the most yeah they make it clear that it's he talks about how much of an inspiration it is he has like a whole thing he says uh my mum took me to Paris when i was six when i looked at her it changed my life uh da Vinci invented a brush stroke that can leave no lines and that's how you can look at her and her expression will change every time this simple thing you thought you were looking at it can suddenly take on so many layers and so much depth uh and it can give you vertigo he's explicitly talking about how it makes him feel and it's an inspiration of many sorts like it's it's kind of awkward to do that and then like treated as though like he what you want right is the villain to be like i have this because of how much it's important to the world and that's that matters to me that i have something that's important you don't want him to be like talking about what it's actual the value it has as a piece to the mind sort of thing is that like an artistic smart thing to do it just makes it harder to hate him for that seem to be an art lover especially i'm trying to like awkwardly set up the motivations between the two people who fight over this thing and how we're supposed to be on one side which just feels a little uncomfortable to be on that side and also i just to go back i'm still stuck on the fact that he has it at all so for the record uh france shut down for covid let's say they shut down the louvre then i'm not really sure late march and this takes place in may so it's been like less than two months and i guess france is so broke already ready out the mona lisa the mona lisa yeah all of the only thing france is maybe tourism i don't know if that's like has that ever happened ever like in terms of in modern history i can't imagine it um if the if we found out that was the thing that happened i should be like you fucking kidding me what what were the crazy level of things that have to happen to make that happen government's loan paintings is that something that happened like i'm sure that that's something that happens how often and how expensive are those paintings out of curiosity it's like taking an old gothic cathedral and renting it out as an airbnb because you need money so um yeah uh i think that's the mechanics explained that's going to become super relevant in however long it'll take us to get there um so well of course she asked then of course like that explains how you got it but why is it here why is it here now and he's like i want this to be in the room when i announce something that's going to change the world and they're all like oh again awkward and so he throws a little rock to uh mr blanc and explains this is clear that's what it's called it's a new solid hydrogen fuel it's incredibly powerful it's radically efficient zero carbon emissions and it's derived from abundant seawater clear with a k is affordable home power it's an affordable home power solution basically he's cracked like super energy uh and it's in the form of this this hyper fuel that he's found like okay so that sounds really good what's the catch and then uh i think it's it's linel that's like no i was clear with you we need two years to test if it's safe or even viable and then uh he reveals oh it's viable and everyone's shocked to find out the glass onion itself is powered by clear wow that's actually going to become relevant later working yeah it's working great highly relevant but also like what does he mean when he says like yeah it's good to go it's like has it been improved by like several different governments like what what does that mean well should we wait they understand the chemical properties of clear did they know what it is well so i would actually i would go as far as saying best faith interpretation is the it's past enough tests that miles is willing to use it and that the science man is like no we need to make sure it pasts every possible stress test ever that is the interpretation i would likely go with without additional information well without additional information because the additional information is coming later yeah we'll get to that the additional information destroys the whole movie rock back yeah essentially oh that's another good point yeah by the way he doesn't he doesn't ask for clear back uh benoit will now hold on to that for the rest of the movie oh right you're right right hell yeah oh god he gets all sauce puts it and let's a little goodie bag and let's please like you know how this would go if you highlighted this if you said all you need to do is ask for it back and the whole movie changes the response would be yeah but he's stupid on the Mona Lisa thing as people have pointed out like you know paintings will get learned out to other museums like they get moved around sure but like you know the Mona Lisa that was that was what i was about to say it's like yeah but the Mona Lisa though like it's the Mona Lisa it's used as the example of like a priceless thing like it's the Mona Lisa of things it is priceless it is priceless it's the citizen cane of us it's kind of i i wonder if that's even that might be under stating it it's like the most famous painting it's the most value it's it is the most i'd say it's the most famous piece of all art well that's what i was stumbling out to try and say i was about to say it's the Mona Lisa of art and it's like it would probably be more accurate to just say it's the Mona Lisa of human civilization kind of yes and it's just sitting there it's just sitting there in this guy's house with no security no security no cameras and it can be killed by someone pressing a little statue in front of it well the the potential to kill it is you know what the potential to kill it is still right there it's not that great of a defense system yeah exactly he he went ahead and he showed it to the disruptors how to take it down i'm sure the guy like him here he's gone off randomly yeah um and yeah so before he moved before he moved ahead i just i think this is a really good example of what we sort of mentioned earlier about how bad the dialogue is in terms of getting from piece of information to piece of information this is a really good example so he just gets through saying how important and impactful the Mona Lisa is and has been throughout his entire life and he he clearly like we said he's an art lover he collects and owns so many expensive show offy things and then he says he wants to do something mentioned in the same breath as the Mona Lisa and Blanc goes what does that mean as if it isn't perfectly obvious what it means and then birdie starts explaining the very like the perfectly obvious explanation of what that means and Claire cuts her off to say wait why do you have the Mona Lisa in your living room and that leads him into his thing about his clear thing that he's going to do in front of all those world leaders yeah but that question makes no fucking sense but it's just there so we can segue into his thing about all the world leaders yeah no yeah that's the thing as much as it's going to take time and effort to point out all the contradictions like the basic just getting information presented to the audience it's really amateur and he has been throughout the whole fucking movie he does a lot of that sort of basic just this is this and you're like thank you that's that I guess this is blatant I figured you'd be better than that at writing no and conversations don't follow it's just they don't I hate it I hate it that's a good example of what of that where it's just like a non sequitur it's like this has nothing to do with anything what ryan jocelyn can't write for shit what all of like the current age so um yeah he explicitly mentions the heating the cooling even my fax machine is powered by clear it's like even the fax machine wow so crazy person absolute yeah Lionel says I'm done you're gonna get someone killed which is like wait what like why we need to be concerned what do you mean it's interesting that he says that consider what happens at the end of the film and the uh the zero our casualties that result from it and then we call plot dangerous well and it's even worse because his response to that is you're not getting out it's already happening that's a that's a pretty bad response somebody say kind of a threat yeah you're stuck buddy better shut your mouth well so and that's that's actually important because uh again because this movie is pretending to be a different movie like on purpose the idea there is ah now Lionel has a motive to kill miles ah yeah see they've all got motives and we the film planted the seed in your head that there was going to be a murder mystery well and you know what uh it's really your fault for for uh paying attention well mentioned he signed off on this anyway though he did you're right he did indeed there is a manned mission with clear that's going to be happening we'll get to that in a bit but yes you're right oh god you're right fuck though it's really weird that he's like i guess i guess his line isn't his line is before releasing it to the world but after releasing it to people maybe the the move here would have been to say well now that he's surrounding it or now that now that it's around him he's concerned but when other people take the risk it's fine that's not what the film says but that's they're so interesting you say that rags because i think you've correctly concluded that from the information they've given but nobody seems to have any problem with standing in this room for the rest of the film no it's fine um but you know what i've we i've jumped ahead arguably but you Lionel knows something that none of us know yet and he's going to tell us in a flashback so we'll get that later oh thank you for not well it's something it's something that uh what's a name knows to Catherine Han yes they both know i'm pretty sure Miles knows it too but he's stupid so it's fine well we're gonna we're gonna so totally get to that that is something we are so gonna get to um but for someone who just said i'm done you're gonna get someone killed he seems to cave and fold pretty quickly and just sit there for the rest of the dinner party because he's fine um something that the i think the film tries to forget about a lot of these people at some stage yeah it's pretty convenient so the plot can keep going along he's stupid and he's arrogant and he's spineless it's all so convenient so we get to the fake sort of surface level murder mystery fun game that Miles has made he sets it up he says that you have the weekend to figure it out i will be quote unquote killed but you can still talk to me about whatever you want i'm just not going to give you clues about you know who killed me in this game and uh you know first person to do it wins and it's pretty much as simple as that there are clues in the island there are you know little hints and stuff and you can you can you can you know talk to each other try and figure it out but you don't want to give it away because only one person can win like all right and then uh Benoit is like so does it start i know i think um it's Duke that says like do you have to die and then it starts or is it started already and then you know miles like well you know it hasn't yeah it started already yeah and then Benoit Blanc just explains the entire thing well he's already figured it out it might be worth noting that it cuts this showing all of the before we we jump into that it might be worthwhile that the camera is like showing all of their faces and they're all they're all unhappy everybody around the table except for Benoit he's like super into it and it's like RC because they've all got motives like the crazy thing that Lionel just said and um the fact that uh uh well we skipped over that part but it's also funny it's like but also birdie because like the he doesn't really care as much about her anymore it's like ah yes that moment the other the other thing was birdie didn't they mention this before something about the Bangladesh uh statement that she has to make we didn't get the fall yeah right yeah we're getting yeah we this is the thing all the stuff we've learned in the opening i'd say 40 minutes it's about to become irrelevant as in like yes most of the things that you think are directing a story are not worthwhile we're about to get new information that's going to reformat the whole story which uh i think is a criticism a lot of people have of it i think it can work i don't think it works here at all because everything becomes incredibly crap and stupid but we're almost there chat we're gonna be basically reviewing a whole different movie in a second yeah it's like you can't realize a lot of this information for later it's like no throw it out throw it out yeah get about it um so uh yeah benoit basically just explains the whole thing and i'll read it out as he says it and then we can talk about it he says birdie has planted a remote device to activate on the crossbow to fire a shot that'll kill miles and he's she's doing it because he stole her famous ren diamond she wore in a magazine uh she is sitting opposite to the crossbow and the crossbow is aimed at miles and i believe if you inspect the crossbow we will likely find a remote triggering device and the crossbow itself is a vintage j hawk brand crossbow j hawk birdie j and then he says there are some clumsy clues that he actually got as well like the hedge grove spelling a b for birdie and birdie's room is the sacral chakra which is blocked by guilt that is everything he has yeah um so upon further inspection this is bullshit yes every word of it every word of it b for bullshit this i would immediately be like miles why did you do this and he'd be like what do you mean how did you really find out yeah why did you tell him the answer what's the point and then benoit would be like no i figured it out and he'd be like no you didn't what you just said is absolutely fucking horseshit you should never have figured it out from the thing that really triggered me was when he says i believe if you check the crossbow you may find like a remote triggering device he hasn't even looked at the crossbow like yeah inspect whether or not it's got a remote trigger unless he was being cheeky like well if you check it you just might find and like it like that kind of attitude uh like he's just being a cheeky that's the best thing to have but the thing is from where he even witness that's the thing the thing about it is uh spotting the crossbow is aimed at miles his chair is possibly the best thing to predict that that's going to be how he dies the funny part is that's information that was going to be given to all of them in about five seconds from now yeah so that's not even that interesting that he's he's got that the most interesting is how did he know it was birdie quote unquote in this you know game and he says the big clubsy clues that there's a b in a hedge grove which is like you can fucking see letters all over the environment on this island what do you mean like you just bought a b in a hedge grove what do you mean like if you had said it's the hedge grove outside of miles is like something more specific that links to it in some way but a b on the island okay and then the other one was the birdie it wouldn't be for brawn his last name would it no no it couldn't possibly that's the funny thing is that again someone would be like that's the genius of the movie it might not have anything to do with the clues you'd be like oh my god oh so then why are we fucking here and then he said the birdie chakra is blocked by guilt it's like man that's a leap like yes um you know exactly what is the guilt here yeah what if no i'm not even gonna bother my point is just the he's got nothing well the grace is fine it's fast that you might not notice that uh that it's bullshit yeah and this is a moment for ryan to be like ain't it cool he's quite a smart detective and it's like no this is you what you think a smart detective does yeah he's just making shit up like what do you mean he didn't figure shit out and once this is this is just illustrative of the fucking whole movie what were we supposed to be doing with any of this this is just him telling us everything we didn't know we didn't see that b we didn't read well i guess that's the that's the meme right it's like we never get to know about any of it yeah i guess have you have you guys seen a joke have you guys seen h bomber guys video on the sherlock yeah series yeah i don't know how i was about to say it's just like a sherlockian joke from that yeah yeah so just one of them everyone else can't yeah one of the big criticisms is unlike sherlock home's stories that are written away that if you were really clever yourself as an audience member you could perhaps put the clues together and figure out the puzzle yourself unlike that the character of sherlock just solves things without with information that you couldn't possibly have was the exact same way for this there's so much smarter than you but this is we're doing genre bending so you can't make that argument yeah he's oh genre bending er will like that i love it i i knew it was a hood on it it's just a movie it's just something that's going on yeah anyhow you're coming into it with expectations despite the fact that the film actually tries to set up some level of expectation by framing the faces of the characters and trying to establish their perceived motives and then intercutting those reactions with him discussing the fake murder mystery well he forgot that genre is a descriptive thing well well yeah what the point is you're not allowed to be bitter about the fact that we're trying to bite into the murder mystery and get all those pieces of information only for it to kind of not matter yeah i want to mention your fault caring this criticism that it's like the sherlock ones in terms of he had all the clues that we didn't have and he concluded it's like yes but even that would be better than what we got which is he had all the clues we didn't have and those clues do not conclude that it's birdie yeah exactly for example with that evidence the information that we don't have it's still like man that's a that's a big old reach right there have you been playing a lot of halo reach because my god it's just like j hawk birdie j remember reach remember the reach it's like there could be any reason why there's similar like there's probably something on this island called a duke there's probably a painting that has a duke in it does that mean that duke did it what yeah what is this and it's like yeah but it's the crossbow that kills him it's like you fucking guess that shit too yeah what if it didn't fire like two seconds later like it knows just be like well that's fucking awkward yeah because it's been that his meal was poisoned remember like i said there's there's so much to this there's so annoying because like that if i were on the table i just would have been like so you cheated there's no fucking way you should have known that from what you just said that's nothing and he said like oh there's loads of other clues blah blah blah it's like yeah you didn't mention any of them except these goofy clues i don't exist fucking clown clues is what they are and when he walks in you know you know so when he walks into this room which i believe is the first time they're all walking into this room they're all they all kind of marvel at it they all enter together this place where they're having dinner and drinks and seeing all the pieces of art we see a blank pass by the statue with the crossbow very briefly and the next in like a second or two later he's eating that wrap with jeremy renner's hot sauce on it and but so we have to imagine that from passing by that statue in the span of maybe 10 seconds at most he i guess he just has an encyclopedic knowledge of vintage crossbow brands he would though well the the label was on it and that that did it it's great it's so good why would she as a killer leave clues that she was the one well it to be fair that this is the fake one yeah i know the fake ones just even the fake ones well i was actually gonna bring that up so my my last question about this well yeah actually we have to talk about the last thing about this whole game which is he says um the motive she famously wore it and uh it's likely in your locket around your neck because it's out of keeping with your breezy island style that one doesn't make any sense so like it seems like meta this seems like meta knowledge it just seems like bullshit is what it seems like he's he's basically like you would have to have the locket for that motivation to make any sense at all i only have one thing to go on you have a locket around your neck that could probably fit it so it's in there you know okay and then well that's the thing the writers like what reason would he have it's like it's out of pocket with his style and just like anyone can wear a fucking necklace man with whatever you have what do you mean not people without necks oh what do you know about fashion i happen to know that humans are weird how do you can wear something that means something to you without it being like like clashing with you yeah but the dash it's not stylish that's that's the point and he knows that got him being a purveyor of fashion himself i presume i don't like this version of fringy can we have the old one back i'm just throwing out i'm just presenting a lot of the counter arguments that might be made it's mainly the same counter argument over and over again in response to these criticisms of the film okay so rather than play by our game he's being devil's advocate for the rest to in order to deal with this i mean i'm doing it in a very derisive and scornful way something has put him into a derisive and scornful mood i can't imagine what it is though what kind of movie would do that to me one of his clues by the way is that she is sitting across from the crossbow but like so is peg so is the person yeah people actually know it's even worse he says uh look at this the first thing he says and trying to explain this mystery is look at the seating arrangement she's perfectly triangulated what it's just that's actually a remote that's a great point i don't know i missed that i just registered it as she's in line with it not like why does he say it she's triangulated with it because that sounds smarter than saying that isn't that the thing he makes fun of like that's full yeah but it is exactly perfectly into this fucking movie yeah it's all stupid and so regarding he criticizes miles for words that aren't words oh okay wait to clarify because i was just thinking in my head like when he says triangulate he means there's three points of interest being the arrow uh shooter miles and her meaning they form a triangle no matter what and it's just like yeah but it would always form everyone else yeah everyone else has the same thing unless he means it's a perfect triangle in terms of distances which is like how the fuck did you figure that out what triangle though like a perfect which one like a nice three interior angles of the triangle i guess he did the maths in his head though this to the square root of a nice like down to the fucking inch of the equal distances between each other is that the point why would that matter well to be honest with you it doesn't it doesn't matter because it wouldn't be she's of a shorter distance to miles than she is to the arrow so but it wouldn't the crossbow or a remote down or just a remote like what a weird thing to say that it triangulates perfectly they would all triangulate perfectly because it's a well yeah why wouldn't andy uh triangulate perfectly with it yes everyone is not facing it or is that actually the hidden that you'll see in the analysis of the film isn't it clever that they put her right there she also try but if she triangulates perfectly so does peg by the way all three everyone in the room does well all right would no no i'm saying no no i specifically because peg i believe is in line with andy there if you can see if you drew a line to the crossbow i think that's peg is peg on her right or is she on the left i can't remember i don't know you need another shot it could be um it could be claire as well i'm not sure who's sitting everyone in the room everyone yeah everyone in the room makes a triangle with it though every point yeah they should not have said triangulation there's three points there's three points every time it's so you're it's so clever it out clevered every clever oh my god and why blonk actually had a really stupid idea here about like the the mystery yes so yeah knowing all of that with the locket the bubble that does this sound like it would be fun to figure out if we were all at this table myle set it up it's like go and so we'd be like all right so that arrow came from over there we go check and we're like it's a j hawk crossbow okay it's got it seems like it's got a device on here that was activated remotely and now what yeah that's like the dead end it's like into your pockets bitches and if one of you said j or j birdy birdy j birdy did it i'd say like oh that's a little bit of a theory but like you got anything better than that and then i run outside and go guys guys guys there's a b there's a b in the hedge that like that means she she trimmed it herself uh i don't know well here's well here's the other thing we're making fun of how many dead ends there are because there are a million of them but another one could be that he gets shot in the chest with the arrow they go inspect it they see a locket they open it up and she's like oh my god that's my diamond and then someone's trying to frame me that would be good yeah diamonds so i mean here's a question so the the stupid proposed motive for this crime and it's also it's also weird that birdy j isn't in on it so it's a surprise to her as well that she was the killer but you would have to know all this beforehand if you're gonna play the part of it yeah you'd have to be in on it right yeah she didn't seem like she was in on it no she's not in on it doesn't even know what does it mean for me what does it mean though it's like a amount of mystery if it could just be you like you could be the one so that's the thing i i is that is that the idea that you go it was me and i did it for like kind of like it's like clue yeah i think how could yeah but how could how could miles like create any motive like how could he it could be anything right like yeah that's the thing you can make this really unfit like if you said like you know linel did it by trying to frame her his motivation is the clear stuff we saw it very bluntly that uh he gifted you that the thing around your neck to make it look like she had a reason to do it and sold blah blah you know and then he goes no that's not it it's like okay but mine works though probably better than what you have actually yeah okay okay birdy where's the remote device uh i don't have one that thing kind of went off as planned by someone else yeah i'm not sure we're supposed to have one like i was about to say like maybe it's planted underneath the table is it's like well that would just give it away straight away so i guess someone in the comments said that it's kind of like clue where you could be the killer and it's like yeah but i thought he was bad at clue so why is he really really good at this and also someone else wrote this so there you go is a good like blueprint to set up a murder mystery especially if you have all of these characters good for comedy film though supposedly characters you'd want to have the way that they do the crime in some way correlate with who they are as a person like if you had scientist man he could do something involving science you know that that would yeah he's gonna play his strength and if you had what do you know that about him by the way well word on the street so yeah i don't think this would be fun to figure out no this would suck it would kind of fall and it would just kind of go in circles and everybody would just get frustrated yeah and then suck balls uh been wise like gosh that was so satisfying like a crossword puzzle in the times magazine it's like okay okay this where i mean it's like what the fuck are we just being a dick are you like i think so yeah i think that's the idea is insult him even more even though again he didn't write the murder mystery so yeah oh yeah it's a very small thing but um isle says that he got jillian flinn the woman who wrote gone girl to write this murder mystery i'm like why would you insult a real writer i don't know yeah ashing them to this stupid shit oh do you think she actually wrote it or do is that just a film saying that i'm i'm sure i would assume ryan's friendly enough with other directors yeah maybe avastia can i name drop you for this yeah but no get out of my house but it but it all it really does is imply that jillian flinn the real writer wrote this stupid mystery that makes no sense it's like why would you do that to her i don't know ryan doesn't know what he's done it does correct once again um and yeah so uh he starts complaining to him it's like dude this was not simple to set up and you've like you know ditched the whole weekend now and you just you kind of thinking like so why did you have the world's greatest detective of be a part of it you fool maybe taking besides like hey can you like chill out a little bit like i've set us up for my friends like i didn't wanted to have you here you're probably really good at this so if you can just chill out if you know just play along i'm trying to know the answer just come to me i don't want you to spoil it like immediately because you're probably gonna get it we were watching it the observation here is to be like okay so like you're here let's assume the rest of the film doesn't exist and this really is just like a fun little murder mystery for his friends all right let's just go with that hey um if if you feel like yeah because you're going to be mingling among the guests and stuff and kind of a different vibe than me because i'm the one who got murdered and setting this all up right if they're having some problems or they can't quite piece anything together just kind of nudge them in the right direction maybe drop a little hint here and there if you can't actually figure it out because ultimately i do want this to be solved you know it's it's not as fun if no one solves it and i don't want to come across as being like who aren't so smart so give them a hand here in there if they need it but obviously don't solve it instantly in front of anyone else before we have the chance to do it because you do a huge prick to do that especially not before everyone else knows what their roles are yeah which i guess they don't know now before so yeah um yeah and but then ben was says in response to that i ruined your game on purpose you've collected up several people on a remote island who all have good reason to want to kill you i guess that's why he's done this is he wants to warn him about that oh okay he says linel you threaten to destroy his reputation clear same thing and who knows maybe you'll support her opponent in the election birdie you got the Bangladesh stuff you're making it take the fall then he duke you know why he wants to kill you and then he's like he doesn't know about that he's like he does know about that he's sleeping with whiskey so again it's like okay like it feels like the same information get told about all these characters again and again and again because that's the subversion the movie's pulling off it's like see they all want to kill miles don't they which one's gonna do it which one's gonna do it oh he didn't die someone else does bet you you're shaking now because you can't figure it out oh i'm shaking so much uh which actually leads us to uh him sort of talking a bit around a lot of what's happening and then uh we get a little bit of history a little bit of exposition about the famous napkin that was created the the all of alpha is based on alpha is like his company that is everything um now i think we should probably wait a little bit before we talk about what is written on that fucking napkin we'll get there i'll leave it for now in the meantime benny won an ipad yay yes uh but and so yeah it's like a photo of them all in the the bar the glass onion and uh before before we go to that the the whole the blonde caskin about the the what does the winner get that's a totally normal thing to ask it isn't yeah unusual by any stretch of the imagination and the film just like poops on him for it as a joke when obviously there's like a fun little a the winner gets you know something kind of fun even if it's just symbolic of your victory you know winning something that's typical of what we call on tests he does have his coin dance i just saw him he's holding a coin oh he has a coin he doesn't flip it though he doesn't oh he doesn't flip it anymore i don't think so i can have it he's got he just that's what i mean i was like how did i miss that and it's like yeah because you can just make the subtitles almost stop me from seeing it but he's just he's holding it uh as this scene plays out and he's just fiddling with it because funnily enough that we're almost at the point of the genre flipping oh i'm sure some video essayist is going to point that out and it's going to be the best film ever the masterpiece we never deserved yep well we didn't deserve this i agree no one deserves this no i think anybody's going to be talking about this film in three months no dude i don't like i said i don't believe the people who made the like nazi was a masterpiece don't remember the plotline of nazi i don't yeah i think it's gonna it's gonna go we watched it honestly it's gonna go it's gonna go for a swim after the the initial hype just gonna float around and then the third one comes out and then all of a sudden there's like oh yeah those were all really good they make an incredible trilogy yeah because as we've seen on uh we look at netflix like knifes out one it's like number four most played right now yeah um we go back to them chilling out in the room and because of that clear conversation i guess they're all feeling pretty rough and they almost want they'll want to kind of leave and now that the uh mid a mystery thing is done they almost just want to go then we see that um duke's phone is pinging all the time from his google alerts and he set google alerts to just fucking to let him whenever certain things show up and one of the ones it includes he's got a google alert for the word movie i mean he's a film lover what does that even mean he's a cinephile it's very regularly because if you go just just to give you guys an idea right this is what it says you got google alert five new articles about claire de bella that he's going to live for that 22 new posts about apex supplements he's got things about that 2987 new posts for movie and he says the reason for this is he likes movies do you understand like why doesn't he check his notifications for them yeah you're right he doesn't even do that but like that's what an alien would say is this what happens when stupid people try to write stupid people what how do you like movies if you're into movies and you know specifically what movies you're looking forwards to coming out on what kind of movie yeah not just movie in general maybe go for a genre maybe it's okay it's fun references by doing that but never mind by the way this is a huge setup for important things like whenever a character does something it's absurdly stupid ahead of time by the way yeah yeah a good two three minutes before it pays off that's what it means to do really good set up and pay off because when you're in the scene when you see this shit it's like why would a character do something dumb movie hasn't it no i don't know what was that sorry now when it's a lot relevant it hasn't been going off for the entire movie until just yeah no you're right we haven't heard it only not just now people on planet earth have been looking at movie though and why wait also why why is he allowed to have his phone here isn't the whole thing that he doesn't want to be heard when they talk about weird stuff whatever so no one is allowed to have their phone when they're chilling out i don't think that's the actual rule he makes he asked benoit doesn't have his phone on when he's talking to him and he says i don't have it with me yeah okay i thought they i thought there was like a thing they it's actually not made a rule but you'd be forgiven for thinking that because throughout the movie they all kind of leave their cell phones in their rooms and no one has one when they really use one they have to behave like non-humans the tech billionaires have phones the the scientist does not have a phone seemingly the fashionista seems to well she's not allowed to have a phone but she tells us she has a secret phone that she never uses or she's not allowed to have a phone because of what she tweets but she also says i have a secret phone but then we never see her using said she's not allowed to have a twitter account same yeah same thing i'm not allowed to have a phone no yeah of course that's ridiculous um but yeah then duke has one but it's only become relevant in this scene and there's a reason for that because of how badly written all this is um all right all right well you know what we need to keep that in mind because it's going to become relevant many times over the the state of the phones in this movie which is something i think you you bring it up rags you were like there needs to be some kind of a collection of examples how much phones destroy movies there it's something maybe one day i'll make it but there needs to be videos on the problems that phones and guns cause and yeah right having a phone is an insane amount of plaudibility that you have you can call for help call for backup you could search up things on the internet to get all the human knowledge at your fingertips to come to you when you need it it's a recording device both visually and for audio it is an insanely useful device through films and now that they're just ubiquitous and everyone has a phone you need to keep these things in mind when you write in your plot and guns are the same way guns to a lesser degree than phones are not everyone has a gun on them at all time like a phone essentially um guns give characters incredible amounts of power and killing potential and threatening slash bargaining ability interesting you say that if you're gonna have yeah yeah yeah right now in this very screenshot we've got a phone and a gun oh my god no this this is kind of funny it's like a character holding a photo to gun i'm like ride you sure you're ready for this can you really i always leave my house with a phone and a gun and ironically gonna be causing problems so yeah just those worth keeping in mind those bits of information um and whenever is google alert goes off it it alerts the uh paintings protection it actually the security system goes on whenever it has the google alert which makes you wonder like how is it not going off from people talking yep yeah it's super inconsistent a certain point people shout and it doesn't go up um yeah but then it goes like bing and it's a bomb now it's close to it's like what the fuck yeah just laugh like women's laughter and set it off over and over again you know no fun and out really uh really stupid but yeah pretty sexist actually you uh we we move on to uh and he walks into the room and everyone is like way into sort of talk about the thing because we we heard about it before on the boat um over uh there's there's something's going on basically she's she's unpopular with the rest of them and they start being like let's address the elephant in the room and uh uh kathryn harnes character says do you want to know why we all did it do the math it's easy math and i was listening to this like well no she already accused you like it was like half a day ago that you did it all for the money like she did this already show that big speech about how you roll on his golden titties or whatever so what do you think she means by that on the teeth so it's really weird to like like kathryn harnes character is outraged that she won't just see the obvious truth we did it because we sold out because the money was good and it's like you know that's what she accused you of yeah we did that thank you you said nothing in response because you believe it to be true yeah so this to me instead is just like it reeks of well we need to generate that argument again because we need to have it in this scene there's an additional reason this is happening and they'll explain later but now yeah and then uh she ends it with you got yours now i'm gonna stretch into additional context for a moment uh we don't need to know much more but canonically speaking in universe andy got nothing you got everything taken from her that's what happened we'll go over that in more detail soon i'm just pointing out now to be like when she says you got yours it makes no sense at all yes she shouldn't be saying that she knows what happened she was in the fucking court she she knows how it went i don't know why she's saying you got yours um so then yeah she says do you want money do you want revenge just just say what you want she says i want the truth and uh a duke says we all played the same game and you lost you couldn't hack it which is i guess that that would make sense he would he is the character that would probably say that and that's probably what he thinks but you could there they go a line that makes sense whoa yeah you guys want to throw a party for that that's all good i enjoy parties yeah parties are pretty cool yeah not all of them but in general you know so yeah uh i think so they all kind of want to leave and like i said i think it's over the clear stuff but it's it's all very strange to understand because as like i said we find out soon enough they've signed on it so it's just like i don't i don't know it feels like you wouldn't leave you'd want to have many discussions with miles like try and figure this out stop it ahead of time or figure out what your damage is going to be to you it's certainly uh claire and linel the the kind of characters that want to do that instead of just i want to leave where i don't think so the first you know the first person to say that is duke and i don't know why he wants to leave no he really shouldn't want to leave considering his motivations yeah it just seems like well well there's no more mystery so i'm headed home even though there's never been a mystery to any of these other yearly engagements well and he's always seemed like he's excited to just go to this place rather than do the murder mystery yeah uh so yeah it's pretty strange but um as duke is getting some alerts and he spots one and he goes oh my god my views they're blowing up you gotta see this it's all over the internet miles and the miles looks at it he looks a little bit like super excited happy possibly concerned as well and he says uh yeah as blowing up as his fire this changes things right the miles is like yeah yeah yeah and you're like hmm wonder what that's going to be about definitely coming back to that believe it for now yes so then miles seems pretty excited about it all too everyone's in a really great mood now it's all so good and he starts preparing his little drinks saying stuff and things camera shots of the security for the moment leaves to keep going up and down everyone's sort of chilling out miles has to sit down and do you think it's do you guys think it's fair to point out what has shown here uh because this would be yes i think the the biggest example of a lie right right yeah i think it is worthwhile to highlight this one yeah so well yeah uh miles goes to sit down and he passes his drink directly to duke yeah so it's like okay that's weird it like if you're watching a film in slow motion pausing and stuff which you know not at all how they are intended to be consumed i suppose but i think plenty of films hold up this way if you did see this i think if you could pause and think you'd be like why did duke do that he has his glass right in front of him why is he grabbing the glass for miles yeah kind of strange but all right um also vsc is fucking chewing up this movie right now and by the way their names are on the glasses yeah again it's just big big old letters and then um and of course the coincidence that their glasses match for the most part they're not quite there but you know on a casual glance i suppose very similar and then uh yeah they'll drink up celebrating and duke fucking dies yeah whoa that's not miles that's duke and i want to know most people when watching this when miles did pass him that drink most of you i think is reasonable to say wouldn't even remember what happened in that moment because you're watching a movie stuff is just happening you don't necessarily register every little detail i mean i i i don't know of a point in doubt but i did see that he put it down and uh duke grabbed it but i didn't really think anything about it i don't know i didn't make the connection in my brain because yeah movie but i think i realized that happened was like oh that's odd so yeah duke dies and they're like uh police and then uh i think someone says like are you treating this like a crime scene it's like well yeah i mean it's not even there police will show up when someone dies yeah it's just normal and to be fair the movie has another character say well that's just protocol and it's like so why the fuck yeah it's like someone's dead and he's like oh police um yeah and then uh claire is like oh god i can see it now governor jets off to greece with the men's rights youtuber who dies get it she's only concerned about her what it's gonna say about her yeah she doesn't care about duke at all nobody cares about duke just care about how it's gonna affect them it's like cool yeah they definitely been lifelong not lifelong friends but they've been friends for over 10 years i totally believe that absolutely yeah yes i i say it's safe to say like strong friends for more than possibly like 12 like the implications that they went to the glass onion all the time yeah and that was nine years ago and then could probably years on top nine years ago was when it shut down which is another oh right right yeah you're right so yeah at least that amount of time plus x amount of years so yeah there you go so yeah um linel says you'll go call the police and then uh you know it's gradually realized that um ben was treating this like a murder and so miles is like whoa you're thinking this is intentional and he says my guess is something was put in his drink intentionally and yet he does not check the drink no this is the world-renowned detective yeah he has described what he believes to be the murder weapon essentially but he's not gonna look at it he doesn't even see anything missing on the body it's so bad we'll get to that when he uh let's see if i'm funnier you know for now we'll just pretend wait real quick real quick i just wanted said that they give up on trying to save his life really fast yeah they're just dead oh yeah oh he's dead he's no uh he chokes and shit on it right so like can't he just like jam a pin in his neck and unscrew the top and make give him old tracheotomy and shit you could have you could have thought to try that i guess you know maybe that none of them know how to do that um not even super superhero benoit blanc no not even to be honest with you he probably wanted duke to die so we'd be like finally i have something to do yeah this mister he's so boring now he made a better one he's gotta keep him dead though see if i can use my hot sauce for this um so unfortunately we find out the police can't reach us because there is only one landing point on the island miles's dumbass banksy dock was set to low tide height it is not buoyant it is a piece of shit so they can't get to us get it piece of shit piece of shit that it's it's not good otherwise the whole story doesn't happen yeah if the police about to say if the police arrive it fucks everything so they can't change is absolutely everything yeah that was one of the issues with the d-day invasions really is that there weren't any docks on the beach so it was really really difficult the german should have just told us beforehand they just that that's why there were no docks there the german specifically didn't build docks so that it would be impossible for anyone to get ashore from the water i'll just say it now because fuck it a second person gets murdered and when they do uh benoit says i don't care if they can't make it because of the dock they can beach here oh really once a second person is murdered it's like one person's been murdered it's not like that's like a big enough deal i don't like now it's kind of urge is too much this would be i like i could it's so beyond stupid and brain dead you just like what am i supposed to do with this like and people saying what about helicopters like no they don't have that kind of technology okay it's just one of them helipads this is grease they have chariots they can't get there it's impossible it's so they're probably water chariots no jet skis no police boats nothing it just you just can't get on the island if there's not a dock it's not possible doesn't fucking work and this is what i mean like what a pathetic excuse you're sitting there writing the story with him and you're like so the police are gonna come now and then ryan's like no no no they can't come because it'll it'll fuck up everything later and you're like oh so why what are we writing for why and he's like the dock is stupid yeah and then people go they go like yeah but miles is really stupid like no no no someone built this who knows this kind of stuff and told him or should have told him that's not gonna work when there's low tide or high tide it didn't listen though he's stupid everything happens because he's stupid and then it really infects everybody with his stupid as well there is even reference to that in the film with Benoit he's like man this was just so stupid that i couldn't even see it it's my Achilles heel bro so yeah that's just a reality let that sink in for now and then uh miles when everybody's sort of planning on how they're gonna deal with this moving on uh he realizes oh boy that drink that uh uh duke drank out of that's my cup i think um i think it was at this point that i guessed or it might have been a little bit later oh so miles is the killer well the thing is with everything we've talked about this film fucking hates him so uh well yeah so the problem is that it was clear that Andy is the actual protagonist yes um and it was clear that Miles was like the bad guy so at this point i guessed i think yeah like Miles did it and and the problem is just irredeemable like because of the guy they keep like shitting all over him but to be fair they're shitting on everybody except Benoit and Andy they do that's true but like him in particular yeah him in particular you say you know which is why it would have been probably would have been more interesting for him to not be the killer to be honest with you well yes that would have been subversive in a sense yeah like Benoit thinks it's him politician would be the person who's like the most potentially damaging and evil of them all to be a corrupt politician but instead it's just the weirdo streams like i never would have believed his birdie she like i don't believe she can operate a gun like there's there's too much limiting unless that's the the meme right she's pretending to be stupid because she's actually very intelligent you could do that that might have been that would be more conventionally who done it we're not doing that here we're doing fucking genre bending like stuff because that's the focus more so than like the focus is subverting your expectations on a meta level more so than within the story yeah or at least it feels that way um i mean we're not quite to the parts that start to justify having that perspective on the film well yeah we're getting to the big old thing you know but um he points to the glass and he says he picked up mine and then it shows the scene but the problem is if you didn't remember what we were shown you'll now assume this is what we were shown which is a completely different thing it's duke picks up the glass after miles put it down miles isn't handing it to him i think what ryan wants to go for is you see miles is telling people what happened and so this would be the visual i suppose but the problem is like well no we didn't know that that was an important thing to be looking at so now when you show us like a flashback we see this as the truth mm-hmm but what are you like there's this thing this is going to be flipped back later on in the film and it's like you but like you're relying on your audience to have photographic debris of every seat is how it ran in the first time so that you can because if you did you'd be like so this is a lie this didn't happen yeah this is just a lie oh you might be like wait which one was the lie then so yeah uh not a fan of this funnily enough it's a trend that needs to die there's something that is like this in knives out that i actually thought was okay it's one of the few things i kind of like it's when i think three different people describe ransom being christ evans character leaving the house uh when it's described i think by ransom himself he like storms out when he's described by uh like marto whoever else he storms out when it's his mom describing the story as he leaves he like puts his hand on the grandma's if to say like you know goodbye uh hope you're okay sort of thing and leaves like like that has no bearing on anything it's just represents what how she sees his son versus how everyone else would see him in terms of recollecting an event but it's much clearly that delivered this is one of the most important pieces of information in this whole film did he hand him the glass or not and so now yeah you could consider this like well now i i guess he did uh didn't it's like no he did like oh so what was that that was him recanting it it's like so why did you show that instead of just having him describe it wouldn't that be the best way to do it well because if you show it then that reinforces the belief exactly that's kind of what i'm gonna if he said um he took my glass off the the desk and someone who was like eagle eyed would be like ah no he didn't you fucking liar and they can enjoy that knowledge but if you have it shown that he literally did pick it off that you're like oh was it that oh shit maybe it was most people who are watching the film are not going to rewind to check well what about the fucking theater it's like could you rewind pause can you rewind i think the movie lied to me i doubt the film that that it was written with them knowing well i mean it's on netflix people are rewinded i highly doubt that that was the way it was written i think it's just put that piece of information the viewers had they'll believe you because the viewer is kind of primed to trust the information yeah absolutely um and that was a mistake right trusting that throws you off of the uh i think it's off of the uh the sense so how do we feel about that do we are okay with that or uh oh what do you think we don't like it what do you think the counter argument would be if somebody said well no actually explain yourself why well the counter argument would be something like what moller described in knives out like in that you know sometimes it's okay it's like i've never seen rashomon or read the story anyway it's a story where there's a murder and then we get we see the same events from different people's perspectives and they contradict each other right okay so that's it's a very famous example of that so what this is is like oh we're seeing it we're like this is the image that is being put into everyone's head in the scene that myles is telling this event to but the problem is oh god but the problem is now we as an audience are like oh that's what happened because we ride also this is the first time i believe in the movie we do anything like this yeah as well so we haven't the idea that this is all from the account of an unreliable narrator that's taken kind of to the extreme that's a really interesting idea um but that's not what this movie is that's not what this now because it's funny that you say narrator because of course is edward norton one of the things i was thinking about is like well in fight club they don't you know like you see tyler like as a guy who's there talking to the narrator and like interacting with things in the world um and being like an active participant uh and then obviously later on a lot of those scenes get recontextualized with like new scenes where it's edward norton talking to himself or edward norton was actually like tyler dirton giving the speech in fight club and it's like well so what is the difference between that and this what is the difference we have no really like the the problem is he hasn't said it properly for us to i think that the information that came to a lot of us was that that is what happened not that's his version of events as opposed to when we have a the narrator is the narrator of the story all of the scenes are framed in his perspective and there are sufficient clues beforehand to to allow you to potentially figure out the twist whereas here it's just got to be i hope you remember that two second shot um that you never would have been paying that much attention to yeah and that shot determines the significant plot points yes yes it is uh instrumental you could say it would be interesting if there was an early scene that established this kind of idea to the audience like some character says something it's not that consequential it's just an early sort of wink wink nudge nudge that a character might say something that like legitimately didn't happen so you know maybe that's something you should keep in mind and like leblanc could point it out was like oh no no it was billy it was the one who put his coat on the rack or something like that stop calling him leblanc that's a legal legends character it's benoit blanc not benoit blanc leblanc i think uh it was i can't remember who said it before but it should have just been my old said i passed him the drink they shouldn't have shown the shot but yeah you don't need to show it they showing the shot allows you to trick the audience better yes um and that's the purpose it serves that it that it yeah that's explicitly the person it does its job well because a lot of people would be like oh i thought it was the other way oh but it's not an oh it's like no it's not you just told me that's how it was that you said it wasn't that it was it's like okay yeah it's just like oh you lied it's as casual a shot as any other shot right and so the idea that will remember every action that's taking place in whatever expression that's happening in it so of course not so when you tell me this is what it was like all right that's how it was mm-hmm that you need better indication that it's an undeniable everything but the thing is i don't think he wants to frame that as a possible unreliable narration because that'll clue us into the reality of the twist which is oh so it was miles yes like i said if everyone remembered that first shot we'd be like he did it like that's that's it or so the reason why i thought he did it i was partly appealing to meadow but one of the reasons was because they'd said so many times like they've given the speech at this point right about the nature of a glass onion and like that is that before this point or after no ben was says it right after solving his dumb mystery party right because that because i think once he gave that speech it's like right so you're fucking with me then right like you're trying to set up in my mind that there's gonna be like a murder mystery going on here and you're making me focus so much on miles and the reasons people have to kill him i bet you that's what you're doing you're trying to focus me on on that to make me not realize that like miles might have reasons to do something of course the problem is you have no information at this point that could like lead to that conclusion other than what are you playing at ryan i think that's that's that's the attitude i had a legitimate games win meta prizes right around with mel on this movie i'm pretty sure i said i thought he's a bit like okay like i'm pretty sure that's how i dealt with the new shot i was just like like like in my own head i was like was that how that went and it's like okay and i have a feeling that the ryan and many other people would be like aha that's kind of the point that's how miles gets people is he'll tell them what the truth is and they'll kind of just buy it because they didn't think more thoroughly about it and i'm like mate this is a movie i don't like i can't remember every single frame my first time go through it like what do you mean it's not really a matter of thinking it through logically it's like i legitimately can't remember what i saw and then i will and that combined with what film what information do you want me to be operating on right now because i can't i'm not actually sure so i'm just i'm going with whatever you just told me i guess it's like aha that was so clever oh my god and that's going to be flipped again later on don't you what again oh yeah uh but yeah they um they then realize oh this gets really weird actually so they the security system is tripped again because of the phone um and then they're like all right we need to get his phone and turn the alerts off because that's annoying oh man i don't know how to explain each of the problems with this it's so bad it's like i'm just going to go silence duke's phone right so it plays here i think i think i want to jump ahead a little bit all right because we kind of revealed miles has done this so miles stole duke's phone as well okay right he's got it in his back pocket right now miles does not have a phone that is what everyone knows but you can see it in his back pocket it is very fucking obvious this is a really weird move from miles the only justification is he's an idiot that's it and that's what everyone would say is true he is indeed an idiot you can see it right there he's got duke's phone then why is also an idiot wait oh yeah he hasn't silenced it it's still playing the fucking sounds absolutely insane now this is the thing when i was watching it i was like how long does it take from because he needs to access that phone and turn it off he needs to put it on silent the sounds go off and then they go oh we need to go and get his phone and turn it off so it stops fucking with the security system you don't see his hands touch that phone for a good while so if only another alert went off it would stuck in real fucking suspicious especially for benoit who's right next to uh duke's body he'd be like so that's not coming from duke that's coming from you and that's a huge deal like you stole his phone that's weird that's very odd and and you were just talking about how like you don't definitely then it's like that's what's what's going on man and then of course while he's searching for the phone because again as this scene is playing he can't silence the phone he's literally using his hands to talk um um benoit spots that the gun is missing mm-hmm no but he doesn't spot it it's uh it's lionel that spots it oh lionel spots that you're right um all right and he's like oh my god the gun is missing it's hard to it's hard to be clear about this benoit's had access fully to duke's body for like 10 minutes at least and he hasn't just maybe worth checking if the the gun is on his waist if it's not there you're gonna notice he's a detective he hasn't seen so everyone else in that party is gonna notice whether or not someone carrying a loaded gun with him in all times a prime nervous as fuck that makes me want to roll this back actually it was like wait when did he have the it's like he had that gun when i was showing it earlier when he was talking about his google alerts it's right at the moment he tells miles about his awesome view count that's when miles takes his gun i think yeah first of all are you a fucking sleight of hand person how did you do that like i feel like that's when you hug someone then you take a gun from their waist that's between you both the sound of it the feeling of it the weight of it's gone at least a good couple pounds being taken right off his junk it's like yeah it really helps me out but then you can hear the retention when it gives after you pull a weapon out yeah and you want me to believe he's a crazy right-winger who shoots his gun all the time it's like so he's gonna know the second his fucking gun is gone isn't he yeah he just he just takes the gun away in that moment i don't believe it i just don't and then he puts it in the back of his like you know in his pants at the back it's just like man that's so easy to spot as well you can see it as he's walking around it's just a gun in his back now Benoit sees literally everything in hyper detail until he doesn't at all this is why this is why i struggle with Benoit as the world's greatest detective he doesn't just miss stuff that would be cool for him to catch like him having a phone he misses everything like a man who's famous for having his gun being dead and he doesn't check his body for his fucking gun can you see the the gun like no not that you can see that he's got something in his back that's outlined okay so so like what am i meant to believe that the film shows me when later we get another shot that is the same as the one before but with totally different information in it yeah well you mean you're trying to tell the difference between um like a continuity error or not you know like that's kind of like the point that i'm highlighting which will become more apparent with one shot in particular i'm just saying if you can see the gun here right now it's like what's interesting that there was a shot earlier in the film where you just hid somebody completely like you completely yeah we'll get to it so yeah uh like i said these are things that it would be cool if he could pick up because he's a detective the kind of shit that i would expect to see in like the robber down jude show lock homes type stuff you're like i saw the outprint of a rubber but uh yeah i think i think it completely breaks when you you can't have him notice that is his gun and phone are gone and that the what you've defined as the murder weapon you don't even look at it like the two most important things that he owns that guy his phone which was highlighted and his gun which he just fires randomly the two critical items you need you don't notice that they're gone this is what people we've not even started really but this is what people are referring to in terms of like wow this film is stupid and it's like yeah don't you get it it's supposed to be like i don't think ben why is supposed to be a shit detective i don't know he's supposed to be the only non-stupid person in this room apparently yeah achieve that very well uh yeah he literally goes oh fiddlesticks where's his gun when it is gone disappear wait and then when when when uh when uh my else is like kind of grabbing him with his back to leblanc shouldn't uh now i'm saying leblanc shouldn't he feel the fucking gun on his on his back you should feel something hard you're right yeah oh my he's already well he's not even a detective dude hey my it's a gun or he's happy to see me you're saying yeah and ben he didn't hear the phone chime on him either like what the fuck no he couldn't the sound was just that vague that he couldn't tell okay you know what sometimes i wouldn't be surprised that after that first shot showing the gun in his back that they shot all the future ones without the gun in his back you know it looks like they've taken it out at this point then again um if he's already if you remember yeah he stashes it and he stashes it in one of the stupidest fucking places ever he puts it in like the ice box for the drinks yeah you know the place that people would regularly be checking out a party it will the funny thing is i've just made it sound more secretive than it actually is i'm talking about like they're all open and it's just like a uh you know like a bucket for a rise tosses it in he like yeah he just throws it in throws it in so probably it probably is away by that point but then this is what i mean it's it's it's like it probably would have been better if it was in his back the whole time that in there absolutely i mean that's a regular place to put your gun if you're trying to conceal it in the small of your back that's where i keep mine typically well i guess it's been pointed out though that then he wouldn't have been able to like lean against uh uh daniel craig because otherwise then he definitely should have noticed well yeah but then all you need to do as a writer is just not have him flip himself around you know but that's funny though okay that's so stressful i need a drink what so uh then miles starts panicking and he's like oh god oh no the game the murder game the game oh god i was going to have it be that now now at 10 o'clock the the lights are going to go out and then they do and it's super dramatic and scary yeah timing convenience yeah because then uh ryan clearly wants to do a different kind of scene which is the how do you go from the fact that the lights are turned off is just like okay well i mean they've all got phones they can just turn the giant lights on on them and yep like phone lights and these days are amazing um even my parents are always shocked by them they're just like oh my god it's like yeah i can light a whole fucking room at this point but sure fine that happens what how what we're going next to this it's like we're gonna get to a point where everyone is just running around expecting to be moved and terrified and then someone will go will die like why would they do that you know like um that's that's what humans do when they panic right the lights went off they panic and they will run away okay uh because instead of just yeah instead of just sitting here and just asking uh miles hey how long until the lights come back on and it says this much time and then we go okay well we'll just sit here then seems like they'd all be safer if they just you know hang out in the same fucking room um well so fine off the first thing i think that happens is that uh yeah uh whiskey comes into the room with a spear gun and says it was andy she killed duke and she tore our room apart i saw her yeah remember when it was just a funny meme in the beginning it's like oh i'm gonna get my spear gun ha no he actually brought a spear gun and here's and there is worth the spear gun and uh and in response to that myles says no not today and then runs off on his own into the darkness really weird choice if andy is the killer why not just hang out with everyone here that's where you're safest of course everyone would of course stick together you would never isolate yourself from the group yeah yeah and so benoit goes to chase him and obviously they split up and then then everyone is just in different parts of the place all running around doing things and we find a knife is missing we know the gun is missing so um real quick before before the lights go off there's a dumb thing that uh blank does that bugged me so right when they discover that the gun is missing he says by the way where's andy and it kind of puts the idea into everyone's head that maybe she has the gun or something and it's like well surely as we'll find out later you you kind of want to protect her don't you yeah why would you do that in fast forward to make more sense that's actually sure you shouldn't want to do that at all no but he does it's not just protecting her it's that she's on a current job yes that he sent her on so that's really weird that he did that yeah another thing there's there's a lot to think about in this film for all the wrong reasons uh yeah everyone's just running around what could possibly be happening i don't even know and then uh uh benoit catches up with andy but he calls it Helen which is a bit strange this is like what's going on and then uh they're just clarifying what's happened and he basically says like i've i've got it i can figure it all out there's just one last piece of information that someone has but as they're talking someone with a gun is aiming oh lord and then right as he says the last thing the the evil gunman shoots oh gunwoman you can be gunwoman oh that's true that's true and uh it hits andy slash whoever helen is and um i think that's where we switch into a different film basically oh well after all of the people oh yeah yeah you know what that's still functional yeah we should probably say how this actually runs out is the um the gun is dropped she's fallen to the ground we get shots of the whole place being in darkness and then benoit is uh is crying basically and everyone's surrounding the area and uh there's a there's a dead lady on the ground with blood apparently on her it is what do you mean incredibly convenient to think that the killer whoever even though we already know who was it's incredibly convenient that like the power outage that was already planned ahead of time coincided with him receiving a piece of information that saw him kick off this set of calamitous events uh with the drink the timing man it's incredible oh god i just oh you know what i'll hang on to it it's it's coming later yeah it was funny because when i think everyone when you're first watching this she is so obviously super important that it's like she's not dead yeah he's not he had no springtime belly and he's springtime so far yeah she had the look away and look over her shoulder look at the start she's too protect man oddly that would have been subversive again yeah if they kill yeah it's true it would have been a really interesting story and it would be a lot for the benoit to deal with like because he would have kind of killed her at least he could feel something like that what do you mean why was why was the gun dropped because stupid yeah i don't know actually it's a good question uh so anyway he tells everybody to go back in the room nobody feels the need to check on the body nope they even respect him either they even almost do but then benoit is just like no no she isn't going anywhere which is a really strange thing to say like really okay yeah and then he says peg radio the police tell them to fucking beat shit if they have to which is again i just think that's funny as fuck they would have done fucking anyways now we care anyway because there's been a murder not only murder a murder with oh on the island of a guy that's this important to you know like a billionaire like come on oh god this movie's about so like try and understand that this is going to get difficult because we've got to re-talk about a lot of different scenes and they're all going to get way stupider now that's take it they're like explain what happened to us please and then he's like i could peel back the layers but what lies at the center only one person could tell us who killed kassandra brand and then it's like cut to black and we are resetting in terms of events back further than when this movie began yep when we decided to watch this and then we we warn our younger selves no no don't do it don't do it well so this this is this is a moment and i love explaining this to people because it's so funny it's like we are one hour and 10 minutes into the movie what do you think is going to happen now as a big twist and it's like turns out the lady who just got killed she has an identical twin sister and it's like one of the most generic like oh what i i felt much pain at this point hey fun fact ryan johnson claims that he was forced to do this what why why why yeah there i don't know why he doesn't say he just says he was forced to do this i'm like i'm pretty sure he's full of shit but what that's the that's that's the main twist of your movie so you were forced to make a shit movie what are you talking about yeah he was forced to do it by nobody he mentions and why he just says he was forced to do it if he doesn't want to say why he didn't just don't say that i don't know what i don't know what the fuck are we supposed to do with that also an urmation then dragged kicking and screaming i mean this is a meme though right i mean that's kind of interesting if it's true but the thing with this he's he's so vague about it though it's yeah north east mystery daily journal what is that this seems like what like are you sure that this is real or not just some bullshit well i mean like you know if you if you just google ryan johnson kicking and screaming like there are several articles just keep on quoting it over and over again so i'm not even really sure well i can believe it seems pretty simple so far the 49 year old director admitted he tried to consider whether or not the audience would accept a twist and he thinks the placement of the reveal makes it work he added i thought will the audience ever forgive me for this i think we get away with it because it's not like the reveal at the end it's a complication in the middle that leads to a deepening of the stakes in the story no definitely no he said it's a joke that i thought was pretty brilliant and i ended up giving it some serious thought as much as i take the middle mystery genre seriously i take the genre of muppet movies seriously well okay this has to be a meme come on like dance calling for a crossover with the muppets oh i see oh can you imagine fucking hell so don't ruin the muppets as well dude come on don't be a muppet don't be a muppet yeah so obviously so for those listening that's that's the reality we're dealing with here you're in a murder mystery with this far in close to fucking two hours and they're about to drop on you that one of the recent victims has a twin sister and it's going to recontextualize everything it sounds like something in in future arm is the scary door or some bullshit where it's like there was a twin sister all along you're like now someone can be like wait you might wonder hey what what are we actually gonna do now like this can't be too long like we we already had the murders happen and we're about to reveal everything so i don't know what we got like another 20 30 minutes no they're like an hour left or something at this point sorry to make sense of what i said this reveal and the recontextualization i didn't mean it happens in a minute this happens in the course of like 40 minutes right it is long and it's yes this is the part where i was like fuck you've destroyed the pacing of your film it's like yeah annihilated um but anyway someone out there is going to be like hey so you're saying you can never work to reveal a twist twin and it's funny because one of my favorite movies of all time has exactly that in it it's just that's right but one of the actual subversion in that movie though it's fucking fantastic in that movie first and foremost the whole movie is about magicians that use doubles all the time and it's presented as an option throughout it we've shown the trick in many other ways with doubles and one of the characters keeps saying it's a double it's a fucking double i bet you it's a double and everyone's like no no it's gotta be more complicated than that it can't be that it has to be someone else this movie i'm sorry where was the reference for how we even thought of a concept that there would be another andy when was that a thing where did you pull this from and is this does this link into the whole idea of the glass onion being see it was really simple all along she had a twin sister who impersonated go on the island to figure out who killed her sister who was being killed by one of these people wait you know what i mean like yes it's just it's totally new absurd piece of information it doesn't fit the theme of the movie at all it doesn't get the theme of the movie it directly contradicts it i would say yes this is not a simple explanation this is absurdity and it also just means that you're in a position where any amount of speculating you were doing before at this point you gotta be like oh well i guess fuck that right fucking everything i was trying to figure out beforehand is now gone it's out the window completely and maybe that's the point i don't know this to me maybe is so out of left because like the 40 minutes is going to contextualize why this is a meaningful twist we had no concept for why this is a meaningful twist yet he's going to explain why the twist matters after the twist like that is an incredibly awful way of trying to do it um and part of it it would be like if you had like you know a billionaire is killed and there's five people that might relate to who will want the inheritance and then halfway through you're like the billionaire was a clone by the way you're like okay this changes i mean this doesn't really yeah well you're asking yourself what does that change like what of what have we and it's like let me explain how this changes everything you're like okay all right i'm glad we bothered all right let's hear it you may have wanted to do that ahead but okay fine yeah so here it comes um man i gotta redo all of this basically so yeah this you have andy who uh i think she she goes on to explain this uh she was sitting around doing a thing and she gets called and told her sister andy is dead andy is dead this is helen she is a different character helen brand her sister is kassandra brand andy that's the one that we've been seeing the whole movie in reality she died well before we even uh got to the island and stuff right so that's actually helen you're like okay accepted how does this change anything it's like so she received the call it if her sister was dead and then she went to her house to clear up some stuff she thinks it sucks so this happened that sort of thing then she gets uh i think the first thing that happens is that uh the gift arrives the box and she's like what um so it's already but like oh that was coincidental that you end up getting it that you were there to grab it when it comes along it's not like a place that you live but sure fine and then um she starts getting all suspicious about this the whole nature of everything and so she's like one of the first things she mentions is that uh she checks her emails which she can just do um it is as far as i'm aware the average person just doing like i think if i asked my dad or my mom to go and check my emails i don't think they'd be able to do it uh well first of all they wouldn't have the passwords but i think the application is the it's just it was just left open on her computer in her house and somehow the police just never thought to check that well so yeah i was gonna say you lose one way or the other with that obviously one way it's too hard to get into the other way it's easy enough that the police should have had that and there's an investigation uh it's it's literally two hours two hours after the email was sent uh that's when she died and the email is like i'm gonna ruin his life something like that but but you know what that's all great it's excellent and that gives her the motive to to seek out benoit to discover whether or not she actually killed herself because she doesn't believe it and then she says uh he's like um you know like why why are you involving me specifically and she said i googled best detective ever and you came up basically as well as your address i guess oh there i suppose um yeah this world where he's the super mega famous detective i'm like i guess yeah and by the way this is what the email reads or i could be paraphrasing was basically i finally found it i'm going to use this to burn his whole empire down you know where to find me and uh she sent that to four people of interest being the uh duke birdie claire and linel not miles no and uh and then she she ends up saying i couldn't find that that envelope in that picture that she's threatening has everything she needs to destroy his empire she couldn't find it so it's gone and then ben was like compelling and then he says if i was to get these people alone without like an army of lawyers surrounding them that i'm able to get some information do some kind of investigate you want me to go to the island yeah and then she's like yeah it's stupid isn't it and he goes i'm not batman i can find the truth i can gather evidence and present it to the police and the courts the implication with that line is him can't do this this might be there's such a weird line i was like um is he saying that he can't kill them because he's not batman batman well i guess these kills a lot but i think i think he's better known typically is not fucking killing people so i don't sure what he's implying with that i think he's saying that he's not a vigilante he can only do these things within there yeah but she wants them taken to law when he does he can pull some strings she wants them taken to law though right i i guess he might be thinking like do you want more than that like what exactly you like i can't guarantee anything i can just do my investigation and then that's that the backup issue to be there is wait ben what do you not believe in that as in like do you consider your position restrictive you'd like to be able to exact some vigilante justice that part of his character well i imagine that i imagine the steel man would be no like the point is that that is not who he is that's the way that he operates and that's the way he always will you know what i'm not so you can do keep that in the back pocket a pain in that well i mean of course we'll put a pin in that no we're not going to pin in that we're getting an enormous steel steak and we are hammering that it's like a vampire this movie is like a vampire and we have to put wooden stakes into it yep so uh she says uh yeah like i understand your position but you are going to be better at this than i am which is fair point and um and then he says wait a minute your sister's death it i don't think i've seen that in the news and then she's like oh shit was i supposed to announce it i don't know how any of this works i don't need to announce that did you know that um i'm not yeah you go ahead because it's a it's a crime to not disclose that you've come across a death or a body this is a very casual thing that i have just said and it destroys the entire movie again yeah because basically i think we should go a little bit further ahead then we'll roll back basically no it has not been announced that her sister is dead and he says you know oh why don't you pretend to be your sister go to the island that's gonna rattle them enough to possibly talk about different things this there and that and you know we'll be able to maybe coke some stuff out you pretending to be your sister and i'm there as an investigator we'll be able to we'll crack this case so you know if if it was public knowledge that she was dead when she turns up they're all gonna be like you're dead aren't you yeah basically the whole movie can't happen yes unless this is the way that the arrangement works oh i didn't notify the world if i can roll it all the way back to the script making process right was probably like interesting ain't it interesting as an idea a twin sister to investigate the twin sister's murder as that person because they know one person committed the crime that the others did not and therefore the only one person that knows that she's like a zombie right now you know it creates an interesting dynamic right it's like how you're gonna pull that off it's like well we'll uh we'll have it be the oh fuck we need to have it be that she's found but we also she's famous right like she's pretty famous well so i was actually gonna bring that in a little bit later but yeah yeah he's decided she dies and it hasn't been long enough that it's made it to the papers yet but it has gone to the coroner and the autopsy has happened uh the sister supposed to announce it and she didn't there you go we've done it it's up to the sit because the family gets to decide is that a thing well it doesn't work honestly they fucked it up when they had to say i don't know how any of this works if they had asked to you know to make a statement and how they want to do it she would have done it by now exactly because she didn't she didn't it was like she only just got asked it's like oh is that something meant to do somebody there would have said well so what's of course yeah so you also have to imagine she has no other family members at all she's been processed there's there's official like information that regards this but this also exactly do you remember when i can't believe i'm fucking having to do this i have to though so when it gets announced officially and we're gonna come back to that as well she his phone blows up in seconds she has like 36 messages i think from people individuals talking about like oh i'm so sorry if you lost that sort of thing it's like you're telling me that when your sister died she contacted nobody no one she she doesn't have any friends or family it's like well you can't tell me that because i already know she has loads of beloved friends and family because first of all she's a wonderful perfect person of course everyone in the world loves her but the like all of the fucking protagonist and absolutely her phones blew up people are desperate to give her condolences she of course has good relationships with plenty of them she would of course be like my sister has just passed away well this would have been well before she had any reason to be going to Benoit Blanc exactly yeah doing any of this investigatory exactly there's the fact that she is a human being who just found out that a family member has died and would be destroyed yes and to be you want to get to the bottom of it as soon as possible so wait at the time at the time that Helen is talking to Benoit on on his little terrace she died four days ago and she found out about it two days ago oh my god so it's been two days after finding out the circumstances that the film has created are pretty implausible well yeah to be fair right just to echo what you were just saying because this is where i'll bring it in now so you know all of that precious precious audience put on top of that Benoit actually eventually says i thought i kind of recognized you because you looked like her and she is incredibly famous you can't you can you struggle to get away with it with just a normal person non-famous person but the idea that a famous celebrity and you managed to accidentally hide it from the world sure okay and the only and that was the whole plot to happen recognized by face alone this isn't even someone who's famous and no one knows what they look like sort of situational really does this is the Benoit recognized her almost just by her his twin sister with a different hairstyle right like it's i don't know why you cripple your own movie by doing this as fuck it but yeah it destroys the whole movie as in several ways we're going to get to that eventually if the information came out it destroys it in a very big way specific to this film there's something that happens if someone finds out that information right um yeah so yeah that's really bad but we can keep going why not i stopped there i think it's worth emphasizing as well in terms of the whole could you figure out this twist it's like well we have no point of reference for who andy is or how she behaves we never got to see that no never see andy she's been dead the whole film so the only point of reference that we have for who andy is is framed through the lens of her sister pretending to be here which is all we know about her yeah and we never knew she had a sister do any of the characters know she has a twin sister i don't think so they don't and it makes no fucking sense she never mentioned she had a twin sister i miles would know miles would absolutely fucking well they they do know right no they did record and i know they do mention it when they say wait are you how are okay i say that or so the problem is doesn't that make it worse though i mean yeah it works because of course if you know that this sister has a twin sister which you're gonna know then if someone looking like the person you killed shows up yeah well yeah what everybody thinks is not this person has returned from the dead they're gonna think oh this is the twin sister trying to fool me because i've seen that thing right well remember rags not everybody specifically the person responsible yeah which is oh yeah that's right it's even worse than what i said yes i keep one we keep not explaining how bad it is consistently damn no it's always worse before you didn't listen i'm pretty sure mola just mentioned it like five minutes ago wow about which about wait about which thing specifically laying out the groundwork specifically for like isn't it like ryan johnson probably thought it was really interesting to have a scenario set up where this is the case where people have access to different information that's not what i was like what i was saying was every single time that we like as a group talk about it we don't go far enough and explaining how well yeah we're getting there we're getting there this is a bit of an onion no i didn't i didn't know it's a different thing no no no because before you laid out the whole thing of like well wait a minute like if if you know that she has a twin sister then surely you would also deduce like wait this is the twin sister not that she's alive from the back from the dead that was just to support the second thing i was gonna say oh okay yeah which was the how every time we describe it it's like it's actually worse than it's just the sound like you said it as though it wasn't something that's already been mentioned that's all right we have not even gone close to the bigger things yet by the way i'm just going to know i think that's going to be the comments by the way problems with their plan oh well i was actually going to say max right this one actually annoys me a lot is the she says is this safe and he's like no one person knows the truth the killer and they will want to kill you and they will likely actually be willing to do so to cover the tracks for having killed you before so absolutely if they're willing to do it once then they'll then think they'll try to kill the same person again yeah so that that sound and then he says i'm not a bodyguard i i can't help you and then she says no one of them killed my sister do you think we can get that son of a basically he says you are not safe and then she's like all right let's do it it's even worse than that he changes his story when he's explaining everything to everybody in the room that he says that everybody in this room had a real life reason to wish this woman harm everybody on the island had a reason to hurt this lady not just the killer so he put her in incredible lions den yeah alone and island the reason is because if he goes alone it's going to be weird to try and bring up the topic of andy but if she's there then it'll be easier to pry them open on it the really is just a measure of oh she's just not very good at your job yeah exactly like you're a fucking world-renowned detective what you have to do is find you need to talk to helen forever about those stupid journals and figure out every last angle you can come in figure out how much of this information is public for example my old miles miles alpha i thought that was wasn't that you and um uh kassandra something right didn't you guys run it together and then he can be like yeah we did you know and even if you were like oh that's too overt too i'm just like you fucking bring a zombie vision of here over here i don't know like how this is gonna help this would mean like and i don't write fucking who done it's but if i did i'd probably work for a while trying to have a detective come across as a rather so than yeah okay so than many other genres this should be like it may be the number one genre of a kind of movie that needs to rely and be very very strict with its logic more so than any other yeah it's a it's a puzzle basically oh this you have to you have to have all the details perfect basically uh someone's uh presented the question i think it's fair to give it a little look see what do you guys think uh why did miles send a puzzle box to andy yeah that is a good question i figured i didn't know that i didn't know that she said because i think it's a good enough explanation that he did it they said this was yearly and has she been invited to all of them so uh every one of them i guess i guess so but it would make perfect sense if he didn't send it to her because the trial just happened a few months yeah after that length he just like destroyed her life i don't think uh she don't want to go to no one would find it suspicious if he didn't this time is the idea though he sent it to be like really piling on the idea of like i don't know what happened to have no idea what happened yeah i think that would make them look more suspicious though the issue that i think this presents is that he is characterized as a really really stupid person thoroughly it's kind of like a point so we can never figure out what he would do well so how i can do this admittedly fairly i guess clever thing to act as if he didn't know she was dead by sending her the box is a kind of a breach of his character that's done in order to further a reason for her to be here at all well yeah i was arguing that it's the worst thing to do to send her a box i i it would be less suspicious to you'd want to send her a box you want to act as if she's alive well wait what's the argument for how it would be the worst move after a court battle where they basically have been estranged and there's surely no longer there's no you'd still do it i still i still think you do it because um what didn't want to argue that you're like something that you do to cover up something here's the relevant question what is what would actually be the risk of sending that box to her like what would actually happen that he should be scared of yeah if even if you think that she's not going to actually come you would want to put that out there as if anything or you or at least you'd want to present that oh no it's it was just business we're still together it's no problem we're fine we're cool i think that we're i don't know specifically for a murder party at that after you've murdered her part of it but you murdering her that's not known it's it's about what you present to the world could it be that the the true drilled issue here is actually it's really coincidental that she found the napkin two hours later he commits to killing her just one week before this annual get together you know like the coincidence being she found the napkin in the timeline of the event happening yeah i suppose the chances of the yeah because her death would have been announced but her death should have been fucking announced anyway but it could have been any number yeah you're right like what happened a month earlier the whole film con happened yeah i just think under normal circumstances you just would not send this box to this lady you have you're not normal circumstances well of course they're not normal circumstances they don't say under no circumstances part of your argument but you want to pretend that things are normal you want to pretend you're not friends with this lady anymore but you don't want to present that you're on good terms with her even especially because especially if you actually know that she's dead and you killed her right then you would want to you would want to show no i was i just wanted to extend a thing of goodwill i wanted to say we're totally cool we have no personal issues with each other he annihilates her like he fiscally annihilates her he did more than he ever needed to he took everything from her i still i still think it'd be better to send her one well but like are you really gonna maintain like oh you know we're in a good good good good relationship i took everything she has you know we chill wow what's there to lose by sending one um well it makes you look a little bit weird i part of what you think of is overcompensation uh someone could be part of what makes it look suspicious is that the box arrives two days after she dies or three days well he would just say that in order to try and get back we're gonna do the thing that we typically do and it was this attempt to reach out to her and that would be not an unreasonable thing to tell the world i guess the thing is is that i can just reason after you completely destroyed the lady but that's i i think i get that in a more it's just that you see examples in real life where people who obviously hate each other or don't get along like politicians or like business rivals or things will still like be all chummy chummy or something apparently and it's something you could say out loud that you've done at each other you always like can you think of something to that degree where you essentially bankrupt them and take everything they built themselves i don't really have an i don't have like an example that i could give i think i think that despite how shitty obviously their relationship is i can believe that like a billionaire would be like well yeah i'm still gonna like invite her to into the thing you know just i don't even necessarily expect her to come but like she was part of it so i'm just gonna invite her anyway yeah the worst thing people will say is that was really cheeky of you i guess yeah maybe but even that might help you right that you're being a little bit of an asshole that you were the one reaching out to yeah i'm being an asshole to someone that i believe to be alive i totally agree that it is pretty crazy the timing and everything that enables the whole plot to happen the timing is the issue i believe he could make this choice i don't remember oh wait i can believe this character would though that's not really my issue because the problem is that he could do anything kind of right i mean i mean maybe it's really nervous arguing because he just does not act logically in anyway so the the thing is here i'm not actually appealing to isn't like it like i'm kind of appealing to this being like a fairly logical choice to make so maybe it's not character maybe it would have been in character if him did not stand that's kind of that was my original point where this is kind of this is a logical thing to do right i'm on the fence i could be convinced by the side of this even then it that doesn't even really that matter that much he believes this to be a logical thing that he thought about doing and committed to as part of a plan which does that match with anything he does really in the rest of the kind of kind of because there are moments when despite the fact that the movie makes him seem like a complete and total retard there are moments where he's actually quite good at misdirecting and yeah like especially when okay so taking the gun taking the phone using when he specifically puts it in everyone's head that oh he picked up my glass oh yeah if i can trying to kill me if i can actually develop that because i want to simultaneously that is true what you're saying is supports his like into the ingenuity you could say but simultaneously he is doing fucking benoit's job for him in that moment he's waiting for him to discover the glass but he won't he's fucking missing it so he's like oh man what does the glass say and then i was like oh man look at the glass like it's this kind of hilariously has to do his job for him in that moment well so you seem all this is why the film is brilliant because unlike a glass onion you actually peel back in the layers reveal yet more and more interesting information so really that miles was more intelligent than benoit is that intentional yeah i you know what maybe he would say yes if you said it to me like yeah sure he was here's a question um how do we feel about the fact that benoit says he could pull a few strings and keep it out of the news for a week oh that would happen don't think he has a jurisdiction to do that no this is absolutely he would have to let so in order for this to be like remotely impossible what he would have to do is say all right police and he's talking to all the police and the commissioner and everything like that i am i am leblanc i am matthew leblanc and i'm the world's most famous detective and i believe that i know this this this this and this that leads me to believe that this murder was part of a larger conspiracy or a larger plot and in order to get to the bottom of it we need to keep this murder from going out into the news so that i can do x and then the police will be like but matthew leblanc world famous detective what is x what what are you going to do right what are we facilitating by hiding this death and then he would have to explain to them this insane plot and also here's a question what's what the fuck is his jurisdiction like where did she die america he's a private detective he's not he's not a police detective he's like a is he a p i or is he uh is he a he's a p i for sure yeah he would have to be right so like yes he has no jurisdiction like he just had to ask them to do that for he's a private citizen yeah so he would have to like if his plan if we watch the different movie where his plan was really amazing and excellent and he was connected to it in some way he might be able to convince the police to keep the murder from going public for a little bit that's probably believable if he had a really good plan that he was involved with and he had his reputation as he did well the problem was in order to do all of that stuff he would have to present some kind of a plan to the police to convince them to keep the murder secret but the plan is bonkers but i just trust well also they're like oh sorry i don't i guess i wouldn't know well also it's only been what was it four days we established yeah i don't quote only yeah yeah oh already i meant already not only already oh he he he he doesn't even know who knows by now so who are you even gonna ask like all the news outlets in america or wherever we are all right well i my guess would be that the logic is it's still within the police and it hasn't been released yet so he'll ask the police and wherever the town that she lives in you have to hope that nobody files a missing person's report though yes exactly uh you would have to hope for a lot of things actually that she just never get to phone call from somebody who's like hey i thought we were like meeting to talk about this yeah like her attorneys or something yeah exactly if people go missing for a couple days especially i mean there's a lot of people where they you might not you know they go missing for a couple days but they don't have a they're not constantly keep in touch with people but some people go missing for a few days you can't reach them can't find them they're not at their house they're nowhere there's absolutely people who are going to be putting out reports no one else is shit is the they don't have a backup plan for if that's discovered uh that's right point actually why the hell did they not like it could leak at any moment so we need to be prepared yeah we need to know what our story is why we're here and it needs to like if we want any chance of fucking rescuing this whole operation we should talk about what we're going to do at that point yeah it would be really awkward and it's just i've lost my track of thoughts just ignore me just go ahead i assume you would say it'd be really awkward if we discovered the truth during all of this which is what happens yes there you go reading my mind what exactly is his is plan here you want her to be there to prompt them to talk about andy and everything that happened in the business and then you can poke at it detective style he's gonna snoop and what does that gain information oh andy does yeah he wants her to snoop while he distracts people as well i think is what he says well she would be you know absolutely the worst candidate for that correct yeah kind of these people she are like if if everything had worked the way they told us she scoots off to go and search their rooms then she goes the first door fiddles with it doesn't unlock and she's like oh oh damn it oh yeah i guess i can try and bash it open oh i should try the the room with the glass onion oh it's locked oh fuck that i do that was everything i can't believe he he locked the door especially given that he's not his greatest enemy i can't believe it people knows he knows and especially now because they have a stranger here with blanc i would there's there's a higher chance he would lock all the doors everybody lock doors i don't know this fucker we're gonna start being able to retroact like go back to what we talked about earlier and how it's so much stupider now in retrospect so one of the ones that just came to my mind was how when she arrives with so miles believe she is dead she arrives you know who else arrives fucking benoit blanc the wil's greatest detective you absolutely didn't invite so if you're miles you'd be like get out yeah sorry i want you here why the hell did he let like we said he had plenty of surface level reason not to have him in now he has an incredible powerful motive to not let a fucking detective on the island when you literally killed the person you're looking at right now yeah remember like how is that when you go yeah but he's stupid yeah but it doesn't even work with the character you're present because he clearly has the intention to keep himself safe so he would totally you can't you just can't every time it's a dumb decision you can't being stupid is complicated you can be you can still make smart decisions you need someone it's usually not that no character is ever described as stupid because they just always make bad decisions they make bad decisions in direct like alignment with their flaws that's what it's supposed to be that's how you write character you're supposed to just go they are stupid therefore they do stupid things here and there you just like it's the same in in kind of in the direction of like oh well this character is competent so they just do competent things like well no they do common things related to their skills um at least that's what you want to aim for jesus i guess miles is very much self-interested i'm happy to concede on that why would he allow a detective it doesn't make any sense again the whole film falls apart if you just behaved in any way like he would behave so whoops again and now all of you are like all right fine we're gonna buy it we're buying everything to continue the story a little hiccup in the plan she's already admitted she doesn't sound anything like his sister his sister talks in a completely different way she's from alabama his sister is from wherever the hell she hangs out most of the time i don't remember however she tells story me and my sister used to have the same accent but she adopted this like rich bitch sort of uh accent that i know how to do actually i i know how to do it and oh and i've got a ted talks on my little mp3 player i'll just listen to them and i'll just nail her accent also she has this journal where she kept every information that we need hey i was making fun of the first thing i think that i'm gonna have to make fun of things one at a time sorry sorry i got to make someone who's never done an additional accent outside of when she was a kid pretending to be posh she's now going to be able to assimilate the entire like dialect and just well every every ounce of the operation of her fucking voice she's gonna absorb it all to the point of convincing all of her closest friends okay remember this is this is like the plot of my fair lady the entirety of the plot is essentially doing this and then this is a really difficult thing to do this would require a very skilled not just actor to imitate one's mannerism but you'd have to know all the personal information of hers that would be relevant you'd have to be able to do the voice and all that sort of thing that's yeah those are that's like a skill set that few people have no she could just do it when she said she had Ted talks right Ted talks I talks and yeah so then you might be like well having a voice down is one thing but how do you know all the stuff that happened in your life how are you gonna be able to talk about it and as Mel mentioned that she mentioned that she says this as a part of characterization but you realize very quickly it's not characterization at all he says like you know when my sister was six she would write in her journals daily and she would title them for my future biographers she always knew that she would be special she always knew she would matter you know that that's sort of thing that she's like so luckily I have all these journals that detail every last thing that happened in her entire life I can read them all and assimilate her entire life there you go yeah I will know that in an amount of time I don't even know how much time it's incredible absolutely fucking incredible good thing she did that it's just dumb it's just dumb this is what I mean like this is what people are referring to what they say like this is terrible the writer gave up so many times like I that is a twin sister oh how are you gonna get her voice and her uh information about her life so like journal and head talks done yeah there you go wow that's great that she didn't need to have her have a different accent the convenience necessary for because that makes it more meaningful when she switches back in the finale okay okay great payoff anyway the next set of flashbacks she's talking about what she's learned from the Ted talks and the journals and stuff and she says that in the glass onion when they used to meet up birdie was a washed up model duke was a nerd doing gaming tournaments she says this alongside washed up model like Johnson has a very strong opinion on most most oppressed minority well it gets funnier too because you got clear lost a race for city council so it's like you know washed up model lost a race did and then the last one is Lidl is a substitute teacher not even a real teacher like the nurse of teachers and um yeah you find out that she says true reveal it's not that um you know the story kind of goes that Miles is the one that helped them all out right but truly Andy is the real reason that they all got anywhere she believed in them she saw in them like potential and then she goes on to say but you know Miles uh Miles got Lionel published Miles got birdie a tv show Miles got duke set up at twitch he made him a little account so right I just still legitimately think that both youtube and twitch you have to call them and say hey I got a great guy you got to let him in you have to this this is the thing I think Ryan is that stupid at this point you need to understand all right I'm going to read the other three out this time and then we'll finish with twitch you go he got clear elected locally he got Lionel published as like a scientist related thing right and then birdie got a tv show so you understand that like I couldn't argue with like yeah those three are kind of similar in terms of their power level I can understand that why did you throw it set up at twitch do you know what that means Ryan do you actually know what that is like there's fucking great twitch streamers are like people on the dark web just being there is he probably thinks you have to like submit to a job offer and you have to like get approved several counts like all this bullshit you don't know what a country is okay so uh so this is established that 10 years ago before they were before they all hit it big there were a very very eclectic group of friends that all hung out for some reason yeah the only thing that united them I guess is that they all lived in New York and Andy I guess or something and that Andy was like you saw the potential in them yeah you all have potential and then as if that isn't strange you saw Duke's potential you're a weird right-leaning twitch streamer guy considering they had almost nothing in common before you have to imagine that they liked each other at this point I guess like you know I don't understand it but and then but the question is so how does Miles do all this stuff in terms of getting birdie a tv show when we're about to find out that it's after this point that he becomes successful with alpha with alpha yet no idea uh I guess he gives them all the inspiration they needed I mean he to be fair set up a twitch account it's not that hard you know it's like you can do a buddy good job now click click accept yeah yeah oh you need to change the bit right a little higher oh it's gonna be blurry you want to have your uh your twitch channel buddy it's like I don't know well let's sit down and figure it out together how about boob lover 2000 all the views oh look at you you got a hundred concurrent viewers that's awesome they broke a million followers yes he was the first one I guess it was apparently in this universe great job duke okay good good shit good good on you okay so anyway uh based on a napkin idea on a napkin they make alpha Miles finds the fuel he's obsessed he's willing to sacrifice everything for that it's like okay so this company was made from a napkin idea and it's like I can understand that I guess like the initial the first idea that isn't quite a problem yet it will become one um the company's made the first thing that ever happened related to alphas ideas was written on a napkin okay fine okay and then um you have him discovering this fuel he wants to use it and he knows it's volatile already and so she's like no and she says it'll blow up the world like so don't so you know it's kind of thing like okay and then she says I'm gonna walk and I'll take half the company to stop you because you'll need like the full company to do it and um so then this is quote I fucking love he says in relation to this event then Andy found out Miles worked the contract so that she was cut out completely and it's like I'm sorry what they so on her ideas they jointly made alpha and then he worked the contract so that she was cut out completely and she did another sweep under the rug thing that so that means to assume is no this is this what happens when you write shitty right so he's like that makes sense cut the car whatever it's like no what you've just made canon now is that she is so reckless she signed a contract that fucked her over at some point she didn't read it or she didn't get lawyers to clarify here for it like that's what would have had to have happened for that to make sense like there's a clause somewhere where he could just cut her out that's yeah that's just not how it works but get someone in the movie I think it was at all though there's a board of directors I mean well it is way yeah so to be fair right so the first thought you might have is like none of that could possibly work so then Benoit says well she obviously sued him then right he's like yes and then she says Andy's whole case was based on intellectual property on her having the founding idea the napkin unfortunately she lost it yeah so there's so much wrong with so stupid first of all characterized Miles as a really shrewd clever guy then yeah well he's annihilated her because she's an idiot they make it sound like her case was built on the idea that she has the napkin which she doesn't have why why did you do that yeah why did you do that it's just it's like she made the case and then started looking for the napkin oh I know it's somewhere here and it's like oh no actually it isn't oh fuck didn't look very hard fruit oh yeah um and so yeah claim ownership of an entire company because of a fucking napkin yeah I don't think that's obviously the signed especially if you signed a contract that was a bad business deal you know what I mean yeah yeah there's all the imagine the sheer level of like production layers this whole fucking thing went through the idea that right at the bottom is this napkin that that's whoever wrote that wins it's like that's not how that works it's it's incredibly stupid but then it gets even stupider right because she doesn't have the napkin and so Miles says I have definitely written that napkin she didn't and she's like I wrote the napkin not you and then Miles you know through essentially getting them to a position where you'll take care of them all as the the team of shitheads as they called over and over again to back him up in court and so he wins the case is that enough to win that case having four people say that he wrote it in their own rules so to speak if in there well if the rule is that if she has no other evidence to the country I guess no but you know what I mean like like who has the intellectual property of this thing it's like I do no I do so neither of you have evidence you just have your word and then four other people say no it is him not her is that enough uh I mean that's just not how it works period I feel like none of that I don't even know what to start with talking about it the scenario was absurd yeah this for me like I can't even I don't know where to begin in terms of breaking it down uh even part if we accept that's what the case is is it concluded when four people say pretty sure he was the one that wrote it it's like okay well wouldn't he just wouldn't he just uh do you think he would always have in his back pocket the ability to say all the things he did for him or something like that is that not something he could use against them no I'm not I'm not questioning the leverage I'm questioning whether or not in court that would that would have enough weight having the four of them say like pretty sure he wrote it yeah yeah he's the one yeah but I mean if if this is a intellectual property copyright case then whoever got a patent or a copyright on the idea would have it wouldn't matter who fucking wrote it down on a napkin right yeah it's just pat me ridiculous the problem for me is the yeah I don't feel like that would even come into question like like the idea that this enormous company that has all these different the outreaches in every different place like this napkin is the one you know what let's talk about the napkin like if they're talking about 50 50 that she earned 50 and he earned 50 it's like so now he owns 100 right so it's a private company it's not a publicly traded company right like yeah I presume yes but isn't even a company or is it a partnership I I guess it has to be a company right if you cut her out of it like it just relies on being vague and super duper duper vague so they can be like well yeah this is our scenario we've set up it just happened that's how it worked I have a million questions and I'm not going to get any answers so I just have to accept that that's the scenario that they presented me with so if we can let's get a little let's get a little look see at this uh this napkin shall we yeah like what's written on it oh I've been waiting so long so I've got I've got it written down all of the actual like things as well so if you want to it's not clear 100 in this image but um what's interesting the only the only compliment I have and it stops here okay it fucking starts and stops here is his copy he has a couple of things written wrong like the idea being that he copied it badly from memory or whatever it's like but it's like for example it says ICO he writes icon without any initials like that's how he remembers it or whatever with the thing is that's going to become hyper relevant when we go through these this is the core foundation of the alpha company let's start with the top three that go from the top that that is tracking cyber risks and security so essentially she's trying to claim that a mind map is her like intellectual property that asserts like it's her control 50 percent yeah this is alpha this is the foundation of alpha now but reading this what is this bullshit yeah because fundamentally like what is this by way of how you actually structure the company in terms of like you know different parts of the company divisions their legal structure the way that finances interact like nothing is on this thing they didn't even try they just they just were a bunch of bullshit yeah because like actually read it tracking into crypto management into diversification what does that mean like what is this just bullet yeah what the hell is this well look at this you go like this is corporate lingo my favorite one is timestamp there's just the word timestamp yeah timestamps uh because it's got dark web efficacy exponential growth that's more of like an ambition that it is like an actual idea no fringy that comes from crypto management we know that oh i said what exponential delivery uh what is this i don't know what this is this is supposed to be the foundation of alpha this is basically and you're just saying stonks and then have yes we go because she's down on paper her intellectual property rights here supersede her actual contractual rights which she signed away apparently this where i'm saying like read the thing and say like wait does this cut me out of the company it's like yeah i was actually causing it might have to cut you out of the company because duke i think it's duke says something about how you got social networked right so that's clearly what they're just cribbing this from yeah exactly but in the social that's the same yeah but in the social network he notices that he's being written out of the contract he's like what the fuck are you doing bro and then they go to court yeah they go to court because of that and then all of the shenanigans that are involved the reality is that shit like this can get real complicated the film wants to present it as very straightforward and simple like just a jumble of fucking words like it's just she gets to keep fishing percent part of the company regardless of whatever was agreed to in their subsequent contracts in which i presume there would have been more than one given that she's like what ceo of this massive company a massive company filled with employee nah come on so is it a desktop like manpower time stamps we really need isn't all of this development i don't know man like this it's just the big thing she would have to argue is that this is actually like workable that there was like a direct correlation between this idea that she wrote down here and the company that actually exists now and that that it's like unique to her or at the very least like a really significantly stems from her contributions among other things he told them how to spell ico so i did that yeah guys you don't understand i drew those little stick figures on there so those are mine it's too much but like unironically like we're gonna return to it it's gonna come back and it'll get even worse this is just for now that's how bad that is it's all nonsense it's already incredibly annoying it's gonna get worse amazing it's so much stupider than that it really is um so yeah uh benoit says like while they're talking it's just he's really bad at dumb things so it's uh gonna be tough not children's puzzles though i wasn't like why didn't they make it that she was like really intelligent like in terms of science and she created some super duper crazy algorithm and you don't show us it do not show us the algorithm yeah algorithm it's like a weird macguffin it's a glowing suitcase we know well we know what it is but the second we see it original yeah you take yeah because once we see it we can read it and then it's like crypto stability what is that what is that um first of all that sounds like an oxymoron to me but like whatever so this scene comes up not not really oh wait joshie remember you brought this up the first time around you want to bring out so that they're talking to each other at the when they open up cap when he's doing his shoe yeah so yeah so to be clear when they arrive at the island and they're pretending you know that they've never met but they they introduce themselves when no one is looking i'm not sure why they do that and then they have this other part is it to be extra careful but the thing is they don't extra careful from that no they're not nobody around them to even hear this conversation yeah but the more relevant part would be if someone turned around it's like why are they talking to each other for so long do they know like what what are they doing wait and they look they do look a little suspicious a little bit weird they do yeah and if you had if you had a thought like man it would be really bad if that detective over there was actually brought in by zombie andy to try and prove that i'm a zombie andy and then you see them talking be like yeah so she's definitely brought him in that's so you know what maybe i could figure it out by asking everyone to give in their invitations i could probably do that i won't i wonder if i have an incentive to do that too you know it's just like a life hinges on all this wait so did we i forget i'm going back a little bit did we talk about how stupid it was that andy sent the email in the first place oh yeah i guess we haven't know so yeah the uh uh obviously so sorry yeah i skipped over it fuck so andy she loses everything in the court case it's over she's done she goes home and she's like when breaks everything and oh she happens to find the napkin it was just in one of her books it slips out and she's like oh i have the napkin now i can win how convenient well first question i was gonna have was isn't the case over and she actually like well she wants to re-litigate i suppose yeah when does double jeopardy happen uh this is civil law not not criminal law so it happens to be a civil case so she can she can try again if she wants doesn't seem like she looked very hard for it in the first place no i know on her shelf yeah moron she's great okay yeah well so yeah she can try we can't answer the quick funnily enough when we were watching this film i think it was now drinker was like well but that napkin how are they gonna i was like you're gonna have to wait the validity of the napkin is gonna be a big subject that comes up into the half an hour from now okay so we'll get there um so anyway yeah she's got it now and so then she's like i'm gonna tell the four friends she's like i finally found it it's right here i'm going to use it to burn this whole empire down i'm giving you all one last chance to make things right so this is her invitation to them to tell the court they might right right i guess which is pretty fucking radical in terms of uh like do you really think that's the wise decision here no no um no not at all somebody else just in any case something happens to you you dumb ass well so yeah the the first thing you need to tell her if you were a friend is like do you hold in your hand the power to burn down the empire of him and them as like you can get them on perjury at this point right like i guess you have to prove they knew they lied as opposed to they remembered it wrong uh which would oh you know what yeah that might keep that in mind anyway no you know you're sorry keep that in mind anyway let's grant it let's grant it that she could still prove that anyway um but yeah the point being you're gonna do serious damage to many rich and powerful people you might want to tell at least one other fucking person you're doing this yeah and you might want to say if i end up dead i didn't do it yeah well her mistake was assuming that nobody would ever try and do that to her i suppose you know what that's a great fucking thing you just said because when does that line come up the fuck that's later i really want to say it now though i'm not gonna remember sorry well i've got it say it uh well let me go let me find it it's yeah here it is so yeah you know this is this is ben war saying this and it's about that event right because in the Tim's the timeline she makes that threat two hours later i think it is because uh it gets faxed over to miles straight away by uh Lionel but he finds out he goes to a house straight away to kill it um now you might be thinking to yourselves well hey why did she let him in the house if she hadn't done that she would have lived you know he's he's the last person she wants in the house right well we can't sell her as an idiot right but simultaneously she has to be killed by him the ryan's in a pickle here and if you remember we're gonna before i tell you the line we're gonna cycle back to knives out when you have someone who is incredibly good-hearted and expert nurse but the plot hinges on her mixing up the bottles of her medicine you go like you are just so good that you did that actually you're just so good that you knew the very vague differences in the viscosity that's what he says and that's how you knew the correct one you see you're such a good nurse you mixed up the balls it's like uh now in this film in this film he says uh about her having let him in you know it's probably not a wise decision and of course she was killed by him so it's like what what do you have to say about it uh oh wait one second all right how do i lose it where is it oh yeah there it is so he describes that event as she was so clever she was clever enough not to fear miles so she let him in there we go but you didn't see the real threat until it was too late that it's it's so bad that one is one to one as far as i'm concerned with the goodness she is so clever she doesn't fear miles but then she died because she probably lover she died so clever that she died to the stupidest character in the film you can't have it both ways you've written it so that she was killed by the clown she is a clown too you are clowns it's it's so bad you know it's it does he try he bends over backwards to try to make it seem like andy is not a clown while miles is but if you think about like andy came up with that napkin like andy's it's stupid moron as well that was all andy's idea just to scribble nonsense on a napkin and be like this is gonna be the big thing i'm telling you it's gonna be well then he stole everything from her because he's an evil whoa even one no uh one one thing before we get to recontextualizing all the scenes everything on the island when they're when they're talking about their plans um she's she says which is a fair point she says like well obviously it's miles right like he's the one with motive and panwa because we're still trying to misdirect from miles even though it's just going to be miles in the end he's like no he wouldn't be stupid enough to kill her yeah yeah the the obvious point being that it was stupid to kill her and but really it wasn't the only one with motive oh the only one to do so the film makes the argument that she would have won like if that went again or she appealed and then they had another uh trial for it that she would have won so like and then he loses i guess he i guess he only loses 50 well it depends if she's trying to claim that she owns 100% of the company i guess so yeah well no way right dude we already went over how much this doesn't make any sense like once she found the real napkin she said i'm going to use this to burn down the entire empire so well i mean i suppose it wouldn't be burned down it would be i'm just gonna take it right i'm gonna yeah because she's like part of it or has an investment in keeping it or one she said burned down that's what she said i think by burning down she's referring to how she can prove they'll lie now right which she can't actually prove that oh no she can't prove it it's not going to go back to well still would it would it be a jury that decides whether or not they are being honest when they say that uh or judge it's well it's it's probably going to be it's simple what's interesting about it to me is like if they say all of us misremembered how you wrote the whole thing it'd be like uh-huh well it's just awkward right that could just be like yeah i misremembered um yeah i think it's hard to prove yeah hard it if it was like handwriting and stuff like that yeah um so next scene this this really i'm gonna go a little bit of commentary for it but it kind of surprises me right this is to show andy and whiskey having a back and forth that lost a decent amount of time and it's to set up why she's gonna say something to whiskey later that can get her in big trouble uh but it doesn't mean to she actually has sympathy for whiskey after this conversation and i think it's absolutely ass backwards they basically go over how whiskey is kind of cool and friendly and stuff why is she with duke the horrible right-winger crazy man and she basically just says she's an ethought she wants to build her channel through him as best she can and then ditch him that's all she wants to do and then she's like oh well yeah okay fair enough but you probably should ditch him soon rather than later it's like what the fuck yeah that's just that's not great that doesn't make you a good person what do you mean it's like oh he's such a bad person i'll use him for whatever i can and then ditch him it's like yeah i don't like why does the the the the film think that's a like a good thing i don't understand oh well she doesn't like it's a good thing right well because the idea is that she's sympathetic to whiskey after this conversation and it's like you shouldn't be why it's worse right because she doesn't believe in any of this shit but yet she'll advance these positions in order to make money yeah that's what i'm saying yeah that's worse and if you presumably believes in the things that he's saying yes she's just like everybody else she's exactly like everybody else here right but they just yeah for sure lie in order to get more money look like dude just to read it out she says duke treats me like arm candy and she says so why are you with him she says i'm building my brand he's putting me on his channel more often so like you're worse than him yeah for portally believes in the things he's saying you don't and you'll throw other women under the bus to like get more money why would you be why is she sympathetic yeah why is she sympathetic is it just because it's subversive that like she said it's expeditious actually it's expeditions with a kind of a shit show you got that fucking right you need to have a spine woman yeah the funny thing is she'd be fine on twitch you could build her own career of course yeah which is weird you say that because literally when we were watching i was like damn is she's like distractingly hot yeah rags was like i can't i can't wait to watch her play league of legends in a hot tub that's just i want her bathwater yeah uh seriously this this conversation supposed to be like oh those two you know there's a little bit of a connection there and then she's gonna try and tell you something later that will get her in super much trouble just by trying to help her out if you remember something is is misunderstood between the two of them it's pretty dumb all right what happens next oh no it's the secret secret secret conversation between the senator and the scientist the one i can't believe this one happens i'm not even gonna play i'm just gonna leave it on pause and say what it is so two weeks ago the senator signed off on the power plan and she said if that gets found out my entire base will fucking abandon me i'll be done and it's like okay why did you do it and of course the answer i guess is that because she wants miles is support rather than miles is uh i guess remember who's mentioned miles would support her opposition or whatever it's like okay i mean you're just not much of a character at that point you're just at the women's ability will be completely destroyed though exactly i don't see how a career continues if she does the opposite of what she's standing for um yep and then he says so did i i signed off on clear to be like in a manned mission the staff don't even know how could they not know dude already i feel like you're not serious army of the dead we've destroyed this movie 17 times like you can't be serious you you just said the scientist is like organized clear to be part of a manned mission the stuff that he thinks can kill people and he hasn't even told his staff the people he was likely talking to at the beginning who were like do not fucking let him do this so like do you understand like these people are pathetic they have no spines they're horrible they're so mean how long ago did he say he signed this into or he like green light this plan unclear obviously here's us two weeks ago and he said so did i i don't think he said exactly when though because he was talking to those other guys who were telling him he was a scientist over and over he was talking to them like less than a week ago it was less than a week ago when the invites showed up well i think the implication is that he'd already signed off on their manned mission and that they didn't even know that oh cool makes him an asshole that's what i'm saying these are all assholes and she then says well let's pray and he was wrong and he just goes no she was right if you put a clear into a gas form in household piping there's a massive hydrogen gas leakage that's just how it works and she said hydrogen gas leakage and she says it can literally turn people's into homes into the Hindenburg but not literally not literally yeah yeah yeah yeah but um stamped this out every time it pops up the way this works is that when you use it for your source of energy in the in household piping it'll like like the the assumption is it i'm lost on this okay if it just is gonna explode everyone's houses you can't use it you just we would know this that's the other thing i was going to get to like first of all you guys you guys would be talking to miles like miles this is like nuking the planet we can what are you doing i know you're evil and all that like cartoon initially this doesn't it's like it's like that shivers just like yes but i will have buddy and it's like you're not a real person you're like an avatar person it's a yeah this is a cartoon land you can't be doing this no work out until the first home explodes we'll find out so yeah the fact is the characters would never sign off on it miles would never sign off but let's pretend for the sake of the movie they all sign off on it the second this becomes available people will test it and be like so this is toxic and kills everybody yeah we should not use this to power our civilization this is bad but look how good it is and then miles and he Lionel and uh claire all ruined they're all gone no no in the nothing from anyone else involved that's just they've destroyed themselves they already and you could argue yeah that's why they're so worried it's like no you don't understand that this is it's over already if you say you can't sign there is nothing worse than signing off on this is what i'm saying so they wouldn't you can't it's over why have you made this the consequence you dumb asses if you fucked this is over so insanely stupid but it's useful information because remember the glass onion itself runs unclear oh i guess it's not that dangerous after all or it actually man you wouldn't want i guess a naked flame in there a big enough one i don't know but it's just in so at least through piping well so that's the thing put it put its gas form into household piping there's a message of massive hydrogen gas leakage well then don't use its gas form in piping or don't allow it to become gas form like do they understand that like oil is really like toxic and harmful and natural gas pricing good to breathe and it'll explode like you know pretty much all sources of energy are dangerous because their volatility is kind of what we need to you know make energy out of it so specifically right specifically as you put its gas form in the hydrogen particles are too small so it all leaks out and then everything explodes then why don't you just transport it as a solid and then when you need it turn it into a gas well bill you'd have to read just be dangerous if it gets ignited this well so this is the real gas gas gas as well i was gonna say hilarious in a comedy movie if they were like but if you introduce this to flame it goes on fire we can't use this to power our homes we'd be we'd be crazy as a civilization put this in our houses so this is the thing if the reality is then that oh it's usable we just need to reformat like piping or we need to go about generating systems that can use this safely or something it's like so do that well yeah it's kind of like and it's almost like well yeah but he wants to rush it out and it's like why is he so stupid why yeah well cost that's the point usually he's really dumb but the the safe way gets him more money yeah but he's really stupid see how this goes it's really easy yeah so painful and yeah by the way this incredibly sensitive information they're just belting it out here and uh and he's out well helen is listening to it just below them and yeah block is staring at them but they noticed that that's right it's just funny yeah sure is a good thing so he just keeps me andering around and running into important conversations again well you know it's about time i think that i i made a list you got benoit eavesdrops on peg and uh myles discussing birdie statement that's the first one duke eavesdrops on myles and whiskey wait wait wait i'm sorry i'm so sorry but he's hiding behind the butt statue and they would obviously be able to see them see him there she looked right at him she does look right at him she didn't even notice it was so bad anyway continue good thing he was invisible too i think rags you were the one the point that we were watching it right you were just upsetting at least stupid it was really frustrating yeah yeah oh but he's such a good director though it's okay benoit blanc has cloaking powers he goes into benoit blank i think he said cloaking powers by the way like no all right here it is i think yeah yeah so she's gonna look right at him look at this shit he's gonna he's gonna come out from behind the statue it's uh yeah it's it's cut it away that makes you think like wait look at that look at that they looked right at each other uh it almost looks like oh man yeah why did they do that you could have shot this any way you wanted but you chose to show this powers why so anyway in totality you have benoit eavesdrops on peg and miles discussing statement duke happens to eavesdrop on miles and whisky doing fuck and making deal benoit happens to eavesdrop on duke eavesdropping on miles and whisky doing a fuck ellen happens to eavesdrop on clear and linel talking about the destructive gas benoit and andy happen to eavesdrop on duke making his motive clear about miles that's in the the the gym we're getting there in a sec and andy drops on blank dropping on duke dropping on miles and whisky that is the one that's hilariously stupid it's a tiny island but i wouldn't want to paint it you wouldn't want to paint it you gotta show this shot though you gotta show it well we're actually not there in chronology so we're gonna get there it's also funny that when okay when they get there she's like okay what do i do now and he just says snoop and walks away doesn't tell her anything you know that's not a skill wasn't wasn't me i'm not a detective so can i come back come back you think the detective would do the snooping no no he's not a bad just not familiar enough everyone here hates um right so you got the uh yeah that so so yeah that she that information has been overheard wonderful so then andy shouts to them in the actual original timeline and we added extra context on they talked to her just after it and they they like uh it's senator lady and uh duke they're talking to her about what's going on because she's she's clearly mad and they say like she said you want to talk about the email you didn't write me back and then she says we rang you i don't do email i'm senator and then we couldn't reach you so we went to your house which is really weird she would have missed calls from them she would know they called her and this to me is a huge like realization like something fucking weird is going on she very angrily is like you never wrote back to be which is true because they called her do i mean if a friend of yours said that to you you'd be like the fuck like are you drunk which he was in this scene so to me i suppose what i'll grant them though is that you're not going to jump to you're dead so yeah i guess they have they can't really do anything but be hyper suspicious that is a really fucking weird thing she said basically but they do confirm that they all turned up and that she talks to uh benoit about those information she's collected which basically confirms they all have opportunity and motive so now it's about trying to figure out they decide we should find out who has the envelope that's the last thing we can really do um but i can't believe this scene happens it's for a joke but i feel like it destroys everything again they're sitting next to each other talking about how duke birdie linel and miles could have gotten there really to kill your sister and circle back so really like we have nothing we haven't proved anything yet and then they realize that in the background serena williams is watching them oh god fuck oh yeah serena so yeah i think anyone in chat listen oh anyone listening to this in general it's just like what the hell are you talking about uh so miles has paid for serena williams to just be in the background and give you i guess tips or encouragement on a video call when you're in the gym yeah and she's live and this they just said all of this in front of her this this is a meme right this is a joke this is supposed to be like haha that's kind of funny because in the future maybe in a rich person's place they have a live action gym instructor just sitting there even sometimes famous as serena williams and he's like okay she just heard you say all of that and she works for miles like miles would have hired her there's nothing stopping her from being like hey miles there's two people uh one's like a guy dressed in a blue and white striped outfit and the other one is uh well i mean anything you want to describe where it's sort of black and white dress on it's pretty easy uh you'd be like they're talking about how the the sister has been killed and that all of you are the potential suspects and they're trying to figure it out it's not my contract but i just think you should maybe it's just fucking weird and i don't know who these people are but i don't kill me are you well i would just have it go as far as saying like i don't think you should trust these people i don't know what the fuck's going on and miles would be like gee wills i should have fucking figured this out myself actually this is what's going on it's so weird that the person i killed and the detective turned up together but i guess that is what they would be doing but it's all for a joke it's supposed to be funny that she's there but i was just like man that just fucks up everything again maybe let you take a breath you know they're gonna take her to court after all this like after all this Mona Lisa stuff and everything happens and the murders and all that they're gonna be like oh serena williams what did you hear anything while you were that's actually i guess you don't wait wait are these sessions do these sessions are stored do you think they're recorded or they're live right she was do you think they might be recorded like well she was like acting bored she was reading a book because she was like bored well when someone comes in in the session yeah that's what i mean though that there's no reason why it might not be recorded for safety or for whatever right like and they get the quality assurance purposes it's a possibility yeah especially when it's like official work you maybe want it to be recorded so that if anything went wrong there's proof right yeah like you're actually it's actually likely that it's recorded because she says oh i'm on the clock and you probably want to prove that that's what i'm saying like there's a lot of reasons why that would feasibly be safe especially in this day and age like yeah yeah someone said it was sent to the fax machine the whole the whole call frame by frame and what really bothers me is you see this lady just listen to everything you've just said who works for miles and bedwell's reaction is go away no not right now it's like no right now no that is a major leak there's a character watching you but he doesn't kick because he's a shitty detective so anyway you gotta take one breather for about two seconds they'll give you that and then i'm sorry it's back to cringing so damn it let us appreciate you all know where i'm going with this let us appreciate this shot see a fax machine right there oh god there's so much to talk about this is such a bad film the fax machine is going off but just i want you to appreciate the environment okay appreciate it where everything is all right oh yeah you're right yep yep i think we all appreciate that so we're gonna have to go this piece by piece actually let's copyright protection so judging from what you're seeing they walk up to the fax machine you can see it right there there they are excellent uh wait i'm actually gonna rewind and talk about what they found in a second but basically before they can fully discuss what they found duke is about to just jump into this room and they don't want to be seen together they don't be seen doing anything so they gotta hide guys where do you think they're gonna hide where will they hide i'm super curious about oh shit super curious about where they're gonna hide uh there they go they just squat squat down pop a squat i think soldiers if it's kind of just the reference like aim for the bushes kind of shit like yeah he duck out of the camera they don't exist anymore that is yeah cover your eyes while you're at it so this would be in your collection of he's not very good at like this is a form of a director's responsibility right you could even file this under fucking choreography like what are you doing you can't what does it look like on set when they're like oh but you're like just you're not probably like out in the open it looks hilarious it looks hilarious like for a comedy skit it's like oh that's high and just they just squat down and lie on the floor and cover their eyes or something and can't i imagine that uh neither of those two thought hey are we not going to be hiding behind anything yeah that's kind of weird ryan exactly during the direction yeah i'm just trying to go no but it's funny it's funny no it'll look good i actually want this to be or i think it's supposed to be something you don't have to think about just i think it genuinely whoever i can't i don't remember who said it but when they go out of frame out of mind like i i think that's what this is yeah which is unfortunate because it's just shit it is just shit now rewind you took a breath now time for another bullshit they searched through the faxes posted here and they find the uh linel forwarded the email two miles meaning miles is just as much a suspect as the other four they not a how did they not assume that that would just happen anyway well you're this correct because the thing is that he could have just talked to them irl he could have just gotten access to a phone i know he doesn't have one so stupid it's like people like phones are like a gay boy you you might have what you might as like no phone phones no no everyone has a phone on them unless stated otherwise well he didn't rags the tech billionaire did not have one is it not in a long enough messages to people he doesn't need to he carries his fax machine around with him i don't like fax machines have funds like touch them like a boombox on his shoulder he's got a machine like but i thought i saw phones next to those fax machines yeah i mean you need to dial to the fax machine yeah yeah well but yeah the point to be made is that they now realize that miles is just as much suspect as the other four but he was already anyway there was no reason not to have thought that so greatest detective ever was like wait a minute the people that testified on his behalf in court and perjured themselves might have just told him when they got that email yes and this is the image by the way until he saw the fax oh yeah this is the fucking absurdity you got miles sorry duke is the one that's eavesdropping that's what makes this so stupid that's so stupid look at the original shot and it was just long yeah so this is just a lie like when we first saw this there was no andy and they cut her out because that's a spoiler exactly so they just lie to get around it yeah that's that's what knives out did and that's what glass onion is doing now yep nice really cool thank you all right what else is that to say that's how long and short of it the seeds cut dry yeah that's about it yeah in the like in this 40 minute section of the movie it's just like oh that scene you saw before well you're gonna see before is other stuff happening yeah all that was in there the whole time we just cut around it so yeah we lied to you be subverted I mean there's nothing to figure out now imagine you look actually a super invest like oh that I didn't notice that and then you go back it's like wait that's it's not there wasn't there it's funny because what we were watching the smaller said there's somebody else watching him and I thought like it was some idiot in a tree or something I didn't really I didn't realize it was that fucking stupid yep so I've seen I've seen some people try to defend this bullshit like oh it's a you know it's a who done it mystery like they're it's supposed to mislead you yeah but like that doesn't we don't have to worry about lately lying I know I want the killer to lie to me yes yeah not the movie that is the very very very well yeah if you notice that's the lie that you can't use the excuse that it's unreliable narrative now it's just the film is lying to you that's it yeah and so obviously I think this is like that's a very good point it's it's not that a character is lying to our point of view character it's just that the film itself like the omniscient ever-present sort of you know point of view of the movie is just like no I'm not going to tell you that now I'll tell you what later Ryan Ryan's lying because also I really think about it this the the perspective of the audience is not really aligned with any of the characters not even Benoit Blanc because he finds out things that we don't find out until like an hour later so there's no one whose perspective like that we as an audience that we mirror at all it's just the director lying to you that's all it is and yet to to kick on uh what they're discovering there is the Duke has the motive to kill Miles because he's angry that he won't help him save his twitch channel slash youtube channel and he's also doing doing fuck with with whiskey and then we move on immediately to we find as she dropped the recording thing into uh Bertie J's bag and so that she listens back to it with Benoit which by the way isn't this all done over an afternoon yeah pretty much like we're talking about like possibly three hours or some ridiculous shit she gets everything she could possibly need to the point where Benoit is like wow you're really good at this and you did it drunk which is even cooler so shit but anyway they find out that the through this what she recorded they have a back and forth which is um uh Bertie J gets sent an email saying the factory that you're suggesting for the creation of the uh sweatpants is notorious for being one of the biggest sweatshops and her response apparently was sounds great thanks dab emoji implying that she doesn't know what sweatshops is she thinks sweatshops are there to make sweatpants she just it's really stupid in case you haven't noticed yet she's really stupid that's why i call jim's sweatshops because there's just that's where the sweat is made that's yeah they sell it certainly is uh it's so bad i hate i hate it so much it's so stupid well so that's the thing right this was dropped earlier as a she's in trouble why is she in trouble because it's about to be revealed that a lot of her stuff is made in one of the worst sweatshops in in history and the she signed off on it and if that email goes out which i imagine it could from the other end like she's in hyper trouble but the problem is she just didn't know what a sweatshop is uh oopsie do any of us truly know what a sweatshop is i don't want to make it this as well because if this happened in real life and a celebrity said i just didn't i thought that's where they wake sweatpants i feel like all of us would be like that's what you're going with that's yeah you could have lied don't insult my intelligence yeah lie though you're gonna have to you're just trying to make fun of me also if you're the person on the other end of that message email whatever you're probably right back like wait what do you mean sounds perfect like what why would you say that like wouldn't i feel like they would ask back it's like wait no it's like a bad thing why are you saying this there's so many ways it would have been stopped right had she yes had anybody interested in reading the fucking messages that wasn't just that's like apparently that was closing off the biggest deal too so if birdie j just cared to even tell a person about it at all yeah they could then be like ah with my basic human knowledge i can inform you of what a sweatshop is great but it's so funny how stupid she is you know so yeah uh they need to find the envelope because that is the key at this point since all of them are as as fucking ready to be guilty as each other it's kind of like well why would the envelope even exist you know there's no reason for it to exist it would have been destroyed but anybody who thought that was stupid very stupid because the film actually accounts for this really well oh Benoit says they wouldn't destroy it they would want miles to see their work they want to know they want him to know what they've done for him they wouldn't destroy it of course they would because of course yeah like you could tell him but that's not the same as showing him it so yeah you know getting rid of the evidence on daddy miles of the destroy napkin it's like it's tiring because that's stupid as fuck we're like is that is that more stupid or less stupid than anything we've seen yeah it's like it's kind of middle isn't it it's kind of middle it's ranking as some of the we call that we call that mid mid stupid and then uh it follows up with they brought it here and it's like what no okay you've jumped again why would they have brought it here and that's it there's just they brought it here that's it but they did no okay okay yeah that's it that's all you got so like they haven't destroyed it they have brought it here and then well would it just be on their person at all times protected and uh like no they say it wouldn't they wouldn't have it on their person they have to have hit it in their room why the fucking napkin dude yeah you can it's not it's not heavy or anything you can just put it in your pocket it's no problem you could take it out of the envelope and put it into a small pouch and then put that with you there's no reason to but nope they said you wouldn't have an envelope on you that's not what people do you put that in your room okay and a world where people just carry hot sauce and yep solid nitrogen or hydrogen those are three significant leaps in order to make the story keep going hold up what's uh maybe talking about what is the name of that old game show where you brought weird random things to uh as like an audience member does anyone know the show i'm talking about someone in chat what's anyone yeah chat help me out here i think there was an old tv show where people brought just weird random let's make a deal would go up to people let's make a deal maybe um because i'll it just let's make a deal all right a lot of people are saying it there you go that was just like a thing Matt LeBlanc world famous detective just thought that he was it might he might be bold aside to be in the audience for let's make a deal he wants to have his hot sauce um yeah i don't know it's been said it's it's done it's just i really hate that scene it's they established three things to be fact which couldn't possibly necessarily be facts and and they just say that they are it's just annoying they do this all the time just like okay fine um but yeah we move on from there to you need to find that envelope so go she he's explicit he's like get into a fight and lose one so you can storm off without seeming like suspicious and then you go ransack everyone's rooms until you find what you need so that's what a lot hey but what do i don't find what we need long what do we do come back no what labumbo uh yeah there's no there's nothing for that and of course uh that slots right in the murder happens and so she is ransacking the last of their rooms and it happens to be duke she did duke's last had she done them in any other order she would not have bumped into whiskey because that's what happens and then whiskey is like oh god this is this is duke it's done this happened oh my god and helen at the time thinks she's talking about leaving him and so she's like it's good what's happened to him is good he deserved it and so whisk he's like wait a minute you killed him oh my god and then she grabs the spear gun and andy is like oh helen is like ah and runs away and that explains why she came in saying andy did it you got that and then she's running around ben was running around and they bump into each other and we've almost caught up to the fucking movie finally i'm almost there who however i guess it's oh yeah it's not been revealed yet jesus christ because they do we have to we reformat the whole movie again soon so annoying because there's so much more like information this is what i mean making a video on this like if anyone was to do that i don't understand how you could do it in a complete way without basically trying to like do it from the end if you know what i mean like once you get all the information and then doing it because fuck me the amount of times you have to reset if you try and do it chronologically just pain all right so we've caught up yeah uh they they basically realize there's one place they haven't checked for the envelope because they're fucking stupid and it's the glass onion they haven't actually checked there so he's like you gotta go do that and then well rather sorry she gets shot ah this movie sucks ben was like oh dear you've been shot it's all over but she gets up straight away yeah i'm almost like hey in my head i was about to just roll out what happened as a casual thing i was about to say why she's not dead as a casual like yep so that's convenient moving on it's like no actually this is a huge it's just that there's so many huge stupid in this film that you can overlook some so it's like yeah that happens i mean not surprising do you mean like a giant hole among a thousand giant holes kind of looks small it's just like yeah there you go it's just another giant hole i guess basically the bullet did not kill her because just where she was shot in her pocket is her sister's journal and the bullet cannot penetrate a journal yes yeah we know this scientifically if it's really thin yeah the fin is contrary to intuition makes it even the harder to penetrate because i mean it is we'll just suggest it would have been great if at this point they're like tins out there were three twin sister this is a joke this is like you can't fucking be you've pulled the twin card all this other bullshit and now she has her sister's journal stop the bullet fuck like you're doing all of the the most worthless writing choices ever to escape any kind of consequence in your writing really dumb you know in hindsight i'm not sure why neither of them like wore a wire just like hi i was recording you the whole time a private investigator would never have that especially if he had lots and lots of time to prepare for all of this that is actually a really fucking good question why do you know why i would really help do rags that's the payoff in just the payoff in the first knives out as they record ransom at the end yep exactly maybe you should have done that with miles you fucking idiots you fall well it's fine anyway because they solve the problem we're getting there we're getting we're getting real close to the the explosive finale oh god so explosive finale there's a lot to think about with this moment um the the shooter decided to shoot her once and he was unlucky enough that he shot her in the one place of very few in her body that wouldn't do any damage because of probably wasn't even that lethal of a place to begin with so i i don't know i feel like there's a lot on the line popper a few times and also the world famous detective standing yeah pop that yeah i was about to say like whether or not even the shot is lethal yeah you go for more you double tap you triple tap and then of course you kill she obviously whatever she knows he knows you be a dumbass not sure fucking figure that out i know he called her helen he literally called her helen that is not the name you're familiar with and you already know she has a sister right like some of them do i don't fucking know anymore point being kill kill kill kill kill kill kill all destroy you probably committed once like you're in it like might as well but it's okay mauler say it with me kill he's just stupid we don't have to worry about literally anything ever again we solved it okay so after shooting once he should definitely have shot more than more than that but maybe this is a stupid question but why does he want to kill her at this moment okay so we have to remember what what does everyone know about everything because last thing uh i believe because we we went and reset but before that if we if we go all the way back he he is like oh whiskey says oh um and he did it and he's like going after her so everyone the idea has been put into everyone's head except for benoit that she did it so why would he go kill her um he could it be the ease of ven helsing type underneath and he wants to stop the undead from rising maybe that would subvert my expectations yeah i like that it would be fun if he shot her burst out of the glass when he's like i saved you benoit she was a zombie but here's the thing so okay if she if he's trying to present it like she killed uh duke why would he kill her because then it's like well then it must not have been her because the killer is still at large i'm gonna be honest with you i'm actually racking my brain a little bit for why he's so motivated to kill her in this moment and i'm not a hundred percent sure does the film want me to think that he is aware of everything she is aware of and she's looking to destroy him or or is that way too much like i'm not actually sure now i'm thinking why would he want to even kill kassandra a second time what does he gain from that exactly is he under the impression that he didn't do the job i don't know or is he under the impression this is a twin sister he shouldn't be right at this point he should know it's Helen because of course you could say he's killing her to prevent her from telling people that he tried to kill her like as i think ryan thinks that he's trying to kill kassandra yeah you think but even then i don't see how that makes a lot of sense yeah this is the problem we're another situation of i'm not even sure who he thinks that is exactly and even whoever he thinks it is i'm not even sure what his motive is exactly yeah Jesus this movie and it's gonna get worse we have really yeah no oh yeah it's gonna get worse in this very seed right because the thing is benoit and uh helen are incredibly lucky the gunman isn't either in vicinity enough to actually see that he didn't successfully kill thus tried again but also to know what's gonna happen next um but anyway she gets up and they make a plan which is we're gonna fake that you died i'm gonna grab them all into the lower glass onion and you're gonna go upstairs and search for the red envelope and you're gonna fucking find it because myles did this and he's stupid that's like just the the angle because he's basically figured everything out he just wants the red envelope to be gotten um but you're all sitting there thinking but but the bullet was caught by the journal so are you gonna fake blood like if you got some red paint on you some red ink or some hot sauce maybe i don't know i think what this happened it was such a like what the fuck you you need fake blood and you just have hot you was oh fuck so unsatisfying so he uses jeremy red as hot sauce to fake her death sure does so here's an interesting part like he kept this fat ass bottle of hot sauce on him while he was wearing his crackerjack uniform and then he had time to change clothes and still keep it on him it's because he's white doesn't mean he really likes his hot sauce he wants to pop it on everything like this big ass bottle pulling his pants down they could at least have done that way i think calvi you're the one that mentioned it you should have had to be like oh wow that's great i love this hot sauce i'm definitely taking some of this like that would at least make it feel a little less stupid when he's just like oh that is a kick he's like yeah take some i guess take some hot sauce whatever go go go on yeah okay yeah that would make it more believable and so yeah she was when ryan was there like having her like telling her about all right you need to um you need to take this hot sauce and squirt it all over you to pretend that it's a gunshot wound do you think ryan ever had that little voice in his head that said what are you doing ryan i don't think he's ever heard he doesn't have that little voice and little voices says ryan he's assassinated that little bastard a long time ago it won't work this time ryan they'll see through it ryan it won't make any sense at all they won't see through it ryan this is this is madness of the highest order you need to think about this again like ryan you fool you fool what are you doing it's like the voice you normally have when it's like should i really order food again today like i don't know if i should i just wrote a bit for him it's like should i really write that it's like i don't know man but obviously that doesn't happen so uh everyone turns up and now you might be thinking wait so if she was alive that whole time it's like that was a fucking huge risk they are incredibly lucky if you remember all of them the dialogue follows that they were all alerted by the gunshot and there's a decent amount of time between the gunshot and then successfully like laying out the death scene so to speak so if any one of them had shown up beforehand the plan's fucked exactly if somebody was like 30 seconds closer which you know reasonable i don't know it's a big place but still everyone seems to show up all the time they show up at the right time though when it's convenient for either teleport powers or enabling private conversations to happen yeah yes and so yeah uh this is also a bit of hot sauce on her like chin and it and it because of the way she's lying down it it like strolls down into her nose very uncomfortably yeah her back and neck i think are on steps which is just funny like it's like oh god you better hope they go in fast because the second drama the hot sauce is heading for that nostril like i'm a get there yep and then yeah it gets there just just a few seconds after that yeah so uh which means for some reason he's written it now so that if any of them had hung around for just i don't know three seconds longer it all would have been over mm-hmm yeah one that's also a good thing that nobody in a panic tries to like check her pulse or you know shake her out of it i guess you forgot benoit said she ain't going anywhere oh yeah right there it's a weird way to say it isn't it it really is the fact is as well by the way she only put blood on like the inside so you know it could make anyone think like i can't you know if it's closed up it's like there's not as much blood maybe it's stopped but there's there's just it's so absurd to be like all right like whatever i think i may have believed it if you had been while like pleading like trust me she's gone we need to like gather to make sure no one else gets hurt yeah or this is a crime scene don't disturb it or something yeah that could have worked too but he just says she ain't going anywhere she's gone nowhere it seems mildly hypocritical considering how much the prior crimes scene got disturbed which is funny right because okay nobody cared about it by the nobody actually cared about duke they were just cared about no i don't need it except for whiskey kind of kind of it's unclear yeah she was crying but everybody else nobody cared yeah and that's probably the one of the most dimensions we have the fact that she like rips into him but then simultaneously is actually really sad yeah distraught doesn't have to kill her back that's like you know what she might actually have the most depth of any character in this story because she's kind of got her own objectives and agenda that is hidden beneath the surface and that other layer as well yeah man she might actually be like the most which is interesting considering she gets way less time than a lot of the other people just less time to be ruined i guess uh well i guess yeah well wait no we talked about how she's like a bad person at the film thinks she's great well so less time to be ruined to the other she's not as bad as the others the others are fucking killing people and yeah of course oh yeah sure relatively speaking yeah he's one of the best people here by the way i know for a fucking fact the people would say isn't it wonderful isn't it beautiful writing that the sister's journal saved her her sister saved her from beyond the grave that's it's so funny because didn't know it was a magic journal sorry an unshotted one uh they find um they find uh francer strake's journal in his empty coffin that leads them to eldorado and they do the pay off where uh sully takes the notebook puts it in his shirt and then he gets shot nates thinks that he's dead because like i don't know like the bullet wound actually did like hurt him it didn't kill him but it hurt him and then they do that pay off of like oh yeah like you know francis took a bullet for you and it's like yeah it's been done before it's not like an original pay off of like isn't it kind of neat that like the book saved somebody's life uh i always go back to the simpsons with that gag it's like whenever they're firing at the guy the true cross twice yeah good thing i keep a bible close to my heart i think i was wearing a true piece a piece of the true cross today it's more likely i can definitely believe that a bible a thick bible could stop that but what better than that thin journal well to fit the power of love add the power of love from the sister that's that's right the power of love slowed the bullet down well power of love can travel through dimensions and universe oh so i'm pretty sure that francis breaks journal with sticker as well then that one too so you know what i this one is one then back in 2007 so anyway all right really 2007 jesus we get to benoit is about to unravel the onion he's gonna make it all make sense oh and hang on did we mention that this is another scene that lies to us visually as well then time wise oh do you mean about when she's set up as a corpse yeah because in the time where they where they uh yes set set her up as a corpse it takes like four five minutes or something and when we see the scene first it takes like 30 seconds maybe maybe a minute when they all arrive and he did just put in like five minutes of dialogue is like are we gonna do this this this you're just gonna lie down there someone would argue to you on that one that we saw a montage cut meanwhile the reality was shown to us later i don't i don't think you can make the argument here it doesn't look anything like a montage shot at all not well just just cutting out expectations battle oh shit sorry yeah um just uh well jogs on you i'm very stupid so there you go the thing is it is to sell don't ask any more questions they cut it to sell to us what blanc is gonna sell to everybody who finds the scene right that's what they're going for and then we get to see the truth there's something there's something i find that more defensible than the the one where they blatantly lie and then the one where they i would almost argue gas line is the one with the the show a different scene but you don't know if that's supposed to be the scene or not you're like is that what's that is that what happened or i don't anyway um so he's gonna unravel a lot of stuff among the things that he says you have something that seems densely layered mysterious and inscrutable yet is hiding in plain sight i expected intelligence i expected a puzzle a game but that's not what this is it hides not behind complexity but by mind numbing obvious clarity it doesn't hide at all miles brawn is an idiot it's dumb so dumb sorry the response to that is so dumb it's brilliant and he goes no it's just dumb it's just dumb so the reason why i wanted to say all that first was that's that is what the conclusion is for what he's about to explain to all of us as an audience it's just fucking dumb it's just fucking dumb version it was just stupid and this is what people think you know like all the stuff we've just been through and why we'd call this film dumb as fuck they think that's all like not the criticism that we're just we're just missing how do you miss this blank is saying that's the whole point of course we caught this everyone catches this this is not some brilliant art it wears every single thing it has to say on its sleeve there's no misunderstanding this just like there was no misunderstanding knives out like they're really at same with that there was no misunderstanding the last jedi old looper then right forward films they're incredibly straightforward he tells you what you're supposed to think and in this case what kind of defense is that i wrote it stupid on purpose it's like did you are you aware of all these other stupid things that happen in this film uh yeah like which things were not stupid right tell me which things were the smart things that are curious like good job all of the characters that you wrote are incredibly thin like was that that's not stupid that's just thin like was that on purpose and that even when they were in congruent in some instances was that on purpose and that's for like hiding in plain sight it's like because i didn't you didn't explore i guess we're about to talk about that yeah the hiding in plain sight plays over what's her name going up into the glass onion and seeing that the uh the the envelope the envelope is hidden behind the fake uh napkin behind like the golden it's a golden ratio right there or yeah or mine yeah like between the golden ratio the little red square that's the real one it's like oh so he's wow he didn't destroy that shit like he kept it yeah and by the way uh they don't give us a reason they say why did you destroy it at one point i think linel asks him that and he just goes it's the one thing that you won the case is over you won yeah and she said she's never gonna go for you again it's over you won you don't need it it's the one thing that apparently can unravel your entire business why didn't you destroy it why the hell yeah and forget who ends up destroying it in this film oh yeah oh he does so like it's it's just crap it's just stupid more it's just stupid it's just exactly as plain geography would say so um yeah that's it is one exactly as plain okay he says i assumed miles brahm was a complicated genius but he's just an idiot and like he keeps pushing that and then he starts like ripping into him and he says this his dock doesn't float his wonder fuels a disaster his grasp of disruption theory is remedial at best i want to stop him there his dock doesn't float i don't think he built the dock dude i think someone else would have he would just wanted like because i don't think miles can do that kind of carving i don't think he's like a glass smith yeah but so the thing is the things he thinks to complement him for are the mystery that was written and the puzzle box but he says he can't have credit for them because the puzzle box is designed by a puzzle maker and the mystery was written by a different writer like i don't think he built the dock i think someone would have designed it and if it doesn't fucking function as a dock that's not miles is fault you know what i mean like if you're gonna if you're gonna take those achievements away you can't give him the ones that don't work that's not fair and the whole dock thing was fucking stupid anyway then you got his wonder fuel is a disaster it's like well yeah it's kind of the point isn't it there's some other people in this room who are responsible for that though well and like the science doesn't work tries very hard to absolve the wonder fuel being such a disaster just it just doesn't the film can't function there's lots of reasons for that uh i'm yes um and what was a lot the third one his grasp of disruption theory is remedial at best that doesn't even sound like much of an insult that's not that much of an insult it's like i mean if it's remedial it means it's accurate right if missing a little bit of information it's that's what i've known that to mean it's just like okay all right um and then he says you told us meaning uh miles you told us you picked up uh that uh that he picked up your drink but what did we actually see and then he says you handed Duke your own glass i remember being so annoyed at this point i was like what did i i don't even know what i saw anymore i don't know i know you showed me two pieces because i think the intended reaction is oh where's the intended reaction oh fuck you like yeah fuck you something completely different yeah and then also if you go back like what did we actually see it's like no one saw that at all like everyone was looking at uh birdie right i don't think anybody would have seen that yeah no audience the audience was shown it and we barely saw it like it's ridiculous everyone in the room is not fucking looking at it couldn't couldn't you say that it was pretty intelligent for miles to be like hey dude look at what she's doing over there not me handing you my glass it's kind of clever i think so i think that is a point in miles's favor despite being an absolute clown character apparently yeah apparently well it's funny that you said apparently when he does it but then again he kept the envelope because he's an idiot because he's a clown character he's an idiot when he needs to be and he's smart when he needs to be for the sake of the drama so yeah there's it's it's really fucking annoying because he tell he does what uh Miles does Benoit just says he gave him the glass right everyone you remember that right and it's like now who's lying i don't know who's fucking lying to me then i don't know what really happened that will be relevant suited up to the idea of like uh would i be lying if i said i saw that sort of thing we'll just we'll just put a pause on that a second the other thing he's picked up on is all the things that miles says wrong like the word imbreviate or um oh just yeah made up just just words that he's making up to sound smart which is funny because you know a step away from using made up words is using correct words incorrectly like triangulate or using unnecessarily more complicated with it like if he was correct in some distant understanding of what it means to triangulate you know what i mean like it's like what an unnecessary fucking word you mean she's a cross from the crossbow right you mean she's like well and also the fact uh you know what i'll let him have a motor car that's okay he can he can have that one that's more of a curious what it is just like what why would you say that yeah why would he use a motor car he's a quirky southern man who likes motor cars okay i feel like if there were actually a well-written story i would enjoy benoit blanc a lot more than i do feel like i would have a great dialogue behind him his quickness might actually come across as charming yeah and if he was actually hyper intelligent if he did the thing right the disarming detective kind of like what colombo is where like people don't they underestimate him so but he's incredibly stupid at almost every turn in this yes i would yeah i mean in this case he's admitted right his Achilles heel is when it's simple i fuck it up it's like you know i'm a guy who can do like the most complex mathematical equations ever but then he goes and it's like two plus two oh fuck this one always gets me especially when like the idea of akam's razor is you know with a lot of the cases he's probably tasked to solve it probably is something really straightforward well it's just it's an it's an interesting question right if you if you struggle at basic things what is the nature of you figuring out complicated things like what does that look like it's kind of you know it's the reason why they want you to show you're working in maps is like well i want to know that you understand how to get to the right answer yeah if benoit blanc just gets to bullshit answers through like instincts that he barely understands i don't know if that's just a wizard you know because he can present all of this he wants but again you got to make the case in a court and if you make the case in a court you've got to present like a coherence um story or explanation that people can follow through that's tied to all the evidence not just some shit you pulled out of your ass you know like it's not going to be very useful if nobody can understand how you arrived at these conclusions well and he's got he's got a lot of conclusions to let us know about first of all he's something he overheard remember when we mentioned the anderson cooper birthday party where he almost got pancake is uh he says no no no he was trying to say andy's andy's place we almost got pancake meaning uh that that puts miles was coming away from andy's house and he almost hit duke who was on his way to andy's house now this is happening because if you remember the timeline she sends the email at 4 p.m two hours later miles goes to the house kills her he's coming back and he happens to cross paths with fucking duke who's going on his way there to contact her as well do you understand how fucking unlikely all of that is yes a lot of coincidences and timings line up very perfectly well where do all these people live they don't live in the same do they live in the same street married or right or just other totally because if not it's like because then it's like we're dead hey finally a reason for them to have mingled in the first place they live on the same street if miles got that after the other people everything is different because they might have made it a choice that he wouldn't that would have been really detrimental to him so like the fact that he got there first is very convenient for him in order to execute his plan right because if you get there first that's like one thing compared to getting our afterward it's so funny because it's going to build up to an enormous like series of problems in the writing but like where it starts this foundation the idea of you have her house they all arrived like arriving even in the same day like really available at that time the politician all available within time limits and ability like it's just like fuck me man and then yeah and yeah the same time to the point of almost pancake him as he said but like why is this being brought up and it's like well if he saw him at that time in that way and then when he gets brought up he's like Anderson Cooper which by the way I think Cap when we went over that the first time around you were gonna say something else it was there because I've got a development of it but I was gonna let you go first if you had something well the most straightforward thing is that Duke would obviously know that he's lying and so you might wonder as an audience member on a second watch how Duke would respond to that lie because he's dead now once we've once we've you know let it all all the information's out now but he's dead so at the time he would have been like huh that's weird that you lied about that but we don't get to see it because the camera literally just pulls away there's there's a lot you're on track for what I think is a huge problem right so I'll try and have an argument in favor against then in favor again so in favor of this being a fuck up like would he not say Anderson Cooper no Andy Andy what are you talking about and it's like well wait what if he heard that and he sussed at himself like ah he wants to keep that a bit secret is it sassy sassy okay maybe there's a reason for that and I'll talk to him about it later he doesn't you know so it's like what else we got it's like you know what I'd be fucking sweating if I were Miles because the fact that he's so casually almost announced that I was at Andy's when that's a literal secret I've told people I wasn't even in the fucking country or whatever at that time so that is a lie I haven't spoken to him who knows who's he's told he already knows he's told the others that he got pancaked almost did he mention who nearly did it why hasn't he mentioned who nearly did it when he's about to announce it there as far as I'm concerned Duke has already told all of them that Miles almost pancaked me on my way to Andy's really weird he was heading from there I wonder what that's about especially when she turns up missing she's about a nice thing she's about to turn up dead so I think the why don't do anything to dispel the idea that it was him maybe I'll go on too fast wasn't his car right like he called him later like oh hey man how you doing I've just been out here and like the Bahamas or something chilling out what's up man and then he's like I did not nearly at Andy's house it's like uh okay why did you do that oh sorry I just what's the thing right it's a good question it's literally like it's your lying eyes against my lying eyes okay so like yeah it's just I'm just gonna say that wasn't me you didn't see me I wasn't I've got an alibi you're crazy it wasn't me or he could be like you saw me there and that's it I'm done because I know that the secret's gonna come out so I have to start bribing you slash doing what I have to do to keep you silent or kill you and the funny thing is of course you'd be like well oh he doesn't have a phone that's right okay maybe what's stupid are the tech billionaire who refuses to use a phone or the murderer who can't lie the other thing the other thing that should tip Duke off about the strangeness of that encounter I mean granted he doesn't know that she's dead until you know we'll get there in a second um but even at the time he's they go over to her house looking to talk to her and she isn't answering her phone and she's not at her house and so they're very concerned about where she is meanwhile Miles almost pancaked him driving away from her house so wouldn't he be like hey Miles what were you doing there do you know where she is what's that about like like Moeller highlighted maybe he let that slip earlier like maybe when they're at their house it's like I saw I saw Miles he nearly hit me yeah it's so casually said in the pool there's no reason to assume he hasn't talked about this several times already yeah could you imagine if they all know imagine if they're actually well he's at the house like banging on the door then Claire and uh Bertie show up and he's banging he's like yeah no one's answering I saw Miles by the way he almost killed me yeah he wasn't even we're going to hurry it's kind of weird the what are the like Miles isn't just going to be casually here as a coincidence just doing his drive like of course that's relevant information he had no reason to keep that secret so yeah it's just fucked again because if everyone knows Miles gonna have to kill them all and then that gets a little bit suspicious doesn't it but uh yeah um so you got all of that by the way Kate Hudson not as familiar with her work man if I was to pick the worst actress slash actor in this film it would definitely be her and uh one of the big ones for me is when her Helen comes down and she is supposed to scream because of course she's seeing someone who's dead and covered in blood but oh yeah and then she goes what is reality yeah and it's like oh she sounds like a robot it's supposed to be funny as well right like what is reality because oh my god I can't even with this it does feel like I can't even yet but um so yeah she's she's come down she's got the envelope now and so now everything's oh she's got the proof this is crazy um have we gone to the reveal yet of yeah because they're all slowly figuring it out they're like wait a minute that's Andy question mark what's going on imagine being fucking Miles right now you'd be like I've killed you twice what is happening how many twins do you have how many of you are there yeah so they said they legit say like like Lionel faxed Andy's email to Miles he printed it out and faxed it I fucking can't believe this is how you get information to Miles absolutely he actually picks this shut up he's like oh yeah let me check my fax for you what is that like I just get a little looser all right didn't the fax prints him a lot of different fact does it print adjust him or everywhere every version every copy every one of them has copies of everything that you sent all of them yeah and all around the man yep yeah we went over this huge security breach I know we did I just needed it like because that's insane it is really restating how nuts that is it's insane just a random intern it's just walking past this oh here it comes we're actually in the timeline now oh she was clever enough not to fear Miles but then she died then she dies like fucking hell so funny it's a riot line yeah because the thing is right this is the real threat you can I can guarantee you that he was like man it sucks that I have to write like a good like powerful woman is killed by this asshole clown man how do I write it so it sounds better than that she's clever she's too clever to live was that meant to be like a meta commentary right when I make a really smart movie nobody understands that and then they shit on me so I make a really dumb movie and nobody misunderstands it and it's it's well received and well regarded but here film's about to annihilate itself again we haven't even gotten to the big wow yeah haven't even gotten to the big one so with everything we have now explained to you precious precious chat you have let's accept all of it we're buying it all it's all good it's great it actually it's genius so what happens next with everything in place well Duke knew that he was with Andy alone that night because he saw him on that road and there's only really one place he's going to be coming from but he didn't know Andy was dead so really he's just got a suspicion of like what were you up to there however that night do you remember I said that he was like wow my views are blowing up dude my channel is going great maybe you could do me a favor and you know help promote the channel now things changed and it's like oh yeah yeah yeah but what was actually happening on that phone was a google alert went off or Andy because the information had been released she died I really need to do this slowly because fucking hell think about this right like so they try he said he pulled strings to delay it but the information got out it's official and so all the news outlets are pushing that Cassandra brand is dead which is big news it goes straight like I'm happy to believe with how stupid everything is whatever but the first person to know would be Duke because he has alerts for fucking everything fine Duke finds out but he reads that I need everybody to think carefully because this is something that we took a while to really pass out yeah what what it with everything you know about Duke when he reads Cassandra brand found dead suicide what what what do you do what is the first thing that you do I thought she was fucking here where'd she go who is that so that's the who the fuck is this that is the first fucking thing you do is you go why is there a zombie what is happening it's uh that is the reasonable reaction you are baffled because you just talking to her like five minutes two minutes ago even she bumped into me I felt she was there the police have confirmed she is dead suicide this is this is kind of a little creepy terrifying even wait hold on she's wearing the same outfit yeah she had to make it more convincing like I said so yeah I guess you could say isn't this hyper convenient or rather inconvenient it's like yeah basically the writer said no the whole will doesn't know she's dead trust me actually know now they do because this would be fun at this point to reveal it you're just like why and you're like fuck you it happens now fuck you fuck yeah that's obviously hyper inconvenience but the reality here is that Duke should be freaking out you'd be like what the hell Cassandra is dead where is she gonna get it like they think you're dead Cassandra they think you're dead exactly you know what you might even do is be if you knew she had a twin sister you'd be like oh shit your twin sister dies and they think it's you I think I'll be realistic however what actually happens is Duke reads this and he immediately figures out in his head oh Miles must have killed her and I can use this as leverage to boost my twitch channel really Duke does not strike me as smart enough to even like control himself to this degree I'm gonna be honest I don't even think he would have put this together that quickly no exactly it's so quick too well it it's crazy he instantly put it together and used it to his own advantage like just like that this is the kind of news with who he is isn't it I think so I honestly think Duke's the kind of guy that would be like you you killed her like what the fuck yeah like the guy who would not accept that yeah I don't I don't believe Duke could just go hmm this could boost my youtube channel well I could get this this is talking about a real pump in the algorithm it's so sad because I'm not sure that I believe yeah I don't think I believe that he would Duke as I understand him in this crazy crazy film would do that and then and then because uh fucking Helen is like so then what happened did he get a vial of poison from his tooth is that like a rich person thing this is times like that where you're like please look it's bad enough with Benoit but can you just shut up please but also remember remember somebody is dead here uh this guy was actually killed so now might not be you highlight that this type of quits and remarks yeah you highlight that and what is what is Benoit's response considering what Fringy just said as well he says no it's much stupider than that can we could we like be a little bit less I guess call us about like this he was murdered by who's just been killed nobody cares about Duke I mean I guess you could say like he was trying to use I suppose that exactly he was trying to use this death to his advantage so I don't believe that no I don't either maybe I'm maybe I'm over exactly you know maybe twitch streamers would say that's exactly what twitch streamers would do in that scenario we already have one little forest that's what we call content brained yeah he was admitted to his advantage to get more views yeah so yeah um what happens next is he's like well I gotta kill Duke and he pours pineapple into his drink and just gives it to him and he drinks it and dies it's as simple as that remember yeah pineapple and he has no means of our saving himself no I don't know if there's like an epi pen for pineapple I think you're skipping something Fringy oh god you're skipping if you would taste that and instantly spit it out spit it out that's right it's like the second right you're right it's your tongue you'd go are you trying to kill me yeah pineapple and I think oh my god oh and I think all he gives him is whiskey with pineapple juice yeah very strongly tasting personally I wouldn't take a drink from a guy that just tried to exactly that's what I wanted to bring up what a fucking moron you guys understand he was smart enough to immediately leverage this information to beat Miles and then he just accepts a drink from him imagine imagine he handed it to him and he did smell it goes and remember did you just put potty you fucking kidding me dude and he'd be like oh my god it sucks it's so bad there I mean we haven't even gone to the bit yet chat not even gotten to the bit oh yeah I think it's better this way I feel like at this point it's already worse than the first knives out like it's I think I believe it was there halfway through when we started doing the abby scene so it's just it's so bad people think this is genius how does he get away with it isn't it sad it's really lame so it's not fair yeah so so I guess that that it's all out now that's the series of events and uh yeah they even have once everything's over and figured out fucking dumbass character goes oh you're Helen the sister like she's just figured out the earlier twist when everyone else is already figuring out all the later ones like money she was before this while she was adding that that whole time I mean I kind of hate birdie because not for any of their own faults it's just Ryan's like isn't it isn't funny how stupid someone can be you know like yeah man yeah it can be I'm not seeing it here but can be pretty funny yeah so yeah oh uh Benoit gets really fucking upset because he considers the attempt of murder on Andy again was stolen from him as an idea where he said you've got all these desperate people in the dark with a gun and he's like you stole my idea for a kill or whatever and I was like yeah such a genius move man it's the dark and there's a gun I love the idea that he's probably genuinely jealous of the fact that uh yeah that he did the like what the fuck is it is that just an evidence of his ego I don't know also we got the I was hoping I was hoping we find the shot actually but uh we've got it now so this is where he hid the gun or stashed the gun do that hang on let me get it on the screen isn't that amazing right out in the open you can't miss that there's a gun in the ice bucket what the fuck just keep it in your in the back of your this would be like we would be critical of hiding it in his back pocket or whatever it's like oh well that was better than this his fingerprints fingerprints on it if someone would have fine you can clean it yeah his fingerprints are on it and then he puts gloves on it's like too bad dude you haven't touched that thing did he have those gloves nearby or did he run up to his wardrobe it's like fuck gloves gloves all right so fucking stupid it's not fair so yeah he's upset about that but we move on finally to Helen asking oh I think it's Lionel yeah you didn't burn it it's like the fuck and there's just no answer for that we move on yeah so she says you recognize this and he's like how can you prove it's the original which is a really great question how can you prove this is the original because there's a lot of reasons why you can cast doubt on the idea that it's the original and she says well and this was funny by the way she says the bar closed down nine years ago remember 10 years ago is what it's happened I think when she said that I think drinker immediately it was like of course it did and she says that this has like the the stamp of the glass onion bar on it so you might expect me to be continuing but that's it yeah that's it she's this is man if this is the original because it has the logo of glass onion on it as a napkin which means you couldn't possibly have forged this afterward yeah no way especially not with billions of dollars like if you had a spare glass onion fucking napkin in your house from other times you visited you couldn't like that just wouldn't happen that's impossible you couldn't just go on the internet and print those things out en masse and of course business cards we know that he presented the quote unquote real one later and it doesn't have the glass onion logo on it so it's like oh so was there any doubt then that it could have just been on a normal napkin could have been on a normal because that's a big part is like are you telling me that there's never been a night where the glass onion they're like yeah we're out of like people bring their own napkins sometimes it's possible people do yeah exactly you know what I think this isn't a very good argument it's not a very good argument at all and the implication is that there are no other napkins to verify this against I mean this doesn't have any more credence than his napkin no and how can you check it if there are no other glass onion napkins by what means trust reference the way that they actually are supposed to look and then as soon as you have a reference that means that you could have gotten it and there's plenty she could have forged this there's so many you can never prove it and besides what does this change when everyone there on record said you didn't fucking write the original yeah exactly well yeah there was that big problem and we're back to the fact that it should have never have come down to the napkin in the first place no no exactly it was so smart that she so we need to sorry we need to we need to start back no no no she was she was so smart that she didn't make sure to read the contract that she signed to figure out if it enabled him to steal all of her like stock in the company all of her uh all of her basically position in that company and then when she found the real napkin that would save everything she was so smart that she didn't think that he was going to kill her it like her smartness is manifesting in bizarre way his smartness is very detrimental to existence it's definitely not code to say your character so smart that i got them killed and also by the way yet another yet another movie where they need to tell you character smart see other characters said it rather than the character being smart evidently through like the way that they behave and conduct themselves you know the way that you tend to write characters typically a good story yeah we all know what happens next so i'm just gonna i'm just gonna be tapping that oh boy um chat you're not ready for this let's see you're not you're not it's just no see i think you're ready for it but you're not sorry i'm i'm i'm this is gonna take a while this is this copyright protection but it's also just it's think of it as slowly radiating them instead of blasting them with a nuke we want to take them piece by piece they're meant to be better is what yeah quick and painless versus long and torturous but of course well so let's talk about the the logistics here is funny because she was really far away from him the last time we saw them in terms of logistics but we don't really know exactly where she is between cuts now and one of the things i mean it's it's evident that she is closer to him i guess but one of the things you really don't want to do is let him get anywhere near uh this evidence remember we're gonna take the the films on it's on this word now everything everything's happened how bullshit all of this no we accept it by break okay so this napkin is everything we got to be really fucking careful with it so walking right up to him is probably not a great start no no and yeah so when we were near this guy napkin to disappear everybody yeah well you see she was just too clever to be afraid of holding that napkin out in front of oh no by the way they even have a shot of benoit like being like got you but of course the greatest detective in the world is simultaneously fine with putting the napkin right in front of the villain who needs it to be destroyed and he says okay but second and look at this i'm playing it nice and slow something's happening what is that what's going on there oh dear oh oh it looks like the napkin is disintegrating before our very eyes oh my god oh look at that he has he has applied a stealth fire to this napkin yeah unbeknownst to her he got a he got a lighter use the shadow step and then just fucking burn it shadow step and uh this is this is the kind of napkin that you put a fire on it for a split second and it's poof and even benoit is like oh no no no no fire no and miles is like i did it well well it looks like i wish this is why does everyone seem to the point that point that he makes why does everyone seem to believe the napkin is the end all be all well but that's the thing right if they do this is even funnier yeah that's what they think because we're all sitting here like the napkin didn't even fucking matter but all these characters thought it did and they didn't care about it at all oh my god what a disaster seeing this you just you can't be uh that's that's actually a pretty funny napkin image you're right natural predator you can make a thumbnail out of that for sure you're so happy with himself the napkin was made of hydrogen that's probably true look at him he's so happy with himself you thought i was just gonna grab it but i did better all this effort and we cocked it up yeah he says anywhere you go it's your word against mind and i think that's gonna go the same way it did for andy which they're like ooh because obviously he's even referencing as far as fucking suicide is the official story so yeah he's uh he's won he's doing his victory lap haha i win you guys got nothing and um i genuinely at this point was because i was washing it with metal the first time and i was in my head like well how are they gonna beat him now i didn't think they could beat him with a napkin but how are they gonna beat him like yeah especially how does the film reconcile this what's the film gonna do now yeah chat you're not prepared at all some people know what happens but let's let's do it you're not you can't there's no amount of belts you can tighten and fasten there's just nothing this yeah yeah so um uh yeah yeah uh she compels everybody there to say in court that he did all of the horrible things he's done and she even mentioned stuff like you saw him burn the napkin you saw him give the drink to duke you saw him uh you saw that i or rather andy was the one that made the original and they're all just like and then she goes so you'll lie for a lie but you won't lie for the truth which is really saying tell me what you mean it's so funny because when you don't know what the truth is it's like well you mean i won't it's a lie still that's what a lie is like what do you mean if i am lying what do you mean i'm lying for the truth like if i lie and say i definitely saw that he killed duke that's a lie that's not lying for the truth what do you mean look moller it's not about fighting what we hate it's no it's that kind of shit i hate because i'm just like oh no you know what he was trying to get across it but it's so funny we do it yeah because i was gonna get to that i was like this is there's a reason we're not supposed to lie in court oh yeah so whatever fine yeah she's really mad and we're all you know if the credits dropped here i'd be okay with this movie it's a shorter movie it's a weird movie uh so yeah a little unexpected ending she begs benoit to fix everything and he says this is where my jurisdiction ends i answer to the courts the system all i can do is offer courage and a reminder of why your sister walked away in the first place now if you remember she split the company 5050 to prevent him from being able to fund all of the clear stuff that's what he might be referring to he hands her a drink meaning the courage i guess this is in reference to how she got drunk earlier in the film and was better at her job as a result and he hands her something else but we don't see what it is um so she starts destroying everything and i mean literally all of the sculptures all of the items pieces of art in the room she just picks them up and throws them and they smash this is pretty much as simple as that uh to the point where like it's kind of fun like miles at first it's just like yeah i mean i can understand how you've lost basically everything so you're just acting out like a little brat fine i guess like he's like even just like yeah just go nuts whatever i'll let it out well my favorite part is when he smashes his own glass he's just like whatever i guess um so then the weird part is that uh whiskey linel clear and birdie they all start destroying stuff too and they're like yeah and it's like what the fuck are you guys doing well yeah i don't know what the film is going for but it's like all these people they are involved they all lied to support miles for money exactly they threw at the woman who actually created everything and was effectively seemingly the means by which they all managed to accrue wealth they threw her under the bus for bullshit and now i'm meant to be here like haha yeah they're rebelling against this person who they've chosen to continue to be friends with taking with his money in order to advance their own ends including some of these guys who were willing to like do man missions with explosive as far as they're concerned like an explosive chemical and then distributing that widely and it's like fuck these guys they will suck i literally don't understand this see they're all like celebrated how they're destroying his stuff what like with you know helen helen's doing it because her sister was killed by him after her whole fortune was stolen yeah like her new plan failed miserably because she's a moron i can understand why she's doing this everyone else like you're all fucking monsters what are you doing yeah you're all involved in everybody get it now smash so um yeah she starts destroying more and more and more things and she destroys the piano and it's like okay and you start you start feeling a little bit awkward because it's like you're um what is your goal right now like you're kind of just destroying artwork uh there's so much violence against musical instruments in this movie and i don't like it not a fan no um but the thing is you start to think you're like what what are you even in oh oh no the money leases in this room no and it feels like we're destroying things and we're going up a ladder and one thing she does next is she sets fire to the bar essentially that was in the center of the room and at this point everyone else is like screaming and like oh my god what the fuck you done and even miles like whoa and this is such a moment in the movie it's like okay you were destroying stuff but now you've like put people in danger what are you doing yeah and they have this fucking lame as hell they have this lame as hell shot where the flames are going and you you have everyone screaming but she by the way it looked like she had alcohol on her like shoes when she lit it it'd just been funny if those lit up and she's just like somebody help um lie for my feet but yeah they they they do this they got they got this shot where she is rising from the flames remember the speech about disruptors keep that in mind this is cringe I guess uh yeah of course because uh especially coming in right at the moment where I'm like I don't know about this love I'm not sure if I don't know about this like you're going a little bit too far now because uh like I said putting people in danger is not a great look uh because I'm one of the uh I think the piano belong to a famous um musician or a famous artist created it I can't remember who exactly um I'd be careful to trust it though because it's it's a birdie that says it so oh right true if you remember Ryan Reitzer is a moron so I'd be careful to trust it I mean nevertheless these were created by somebody and have now been destroyed yeah that's what I'm appealing to is that they're all artwork and you're just destroying them to get back at Miles question mark which to me feels like the opposite of what most movies will try and go for is a strong message when they have writing like I just want him to suffer at this point it's like oh uh a lot of movies will try and take what is essentially the high road this film is not interested in that no it's like a temper tantrum he's mad for a reason but she's just like letting out her aggression like I said I think she's crossing the line hugely when it's just gone beyond even it didn't even seem to be maturing to Miles at first and she was just destroying it for the sake of fucking destroying artwork but also endangering other people it's where it's like isn't this fire yeah so yeah actually getting by the sky I'll still say for people in chat you're still probably like how is this gonna help her overall though she's just is that the point is she's just gonna destroy things he likes and then she feels she's won like well I guess this continues she's um she set the sprinkler system off and Miles is like all right you gotta seriously stop now this is getting ridiculous it looks like she's uh he's kind of reaching a climax here what's gonna happen and he says you gotta walk away and she says yes with a reminder of why my sister walked away in the first place it's like wait what and we flashback Benoit handed her the stone the of clear basically the thing that he's no fucking way he should still have that was given to him by the end he still had it that whole time he never got it taken back off him now again you might be thinking well what does that change what is here having that do well you gotta treat for you like look at this it's just like okay like there's a lot of significance on this I think even me at this point I was like and then it zooms into like the heating systems the cooling systems and the fax machine and you're like okay it's funny it's funny for someone to reference the this is not math scene because you don't understand how suitable that is that's right so um she's throwing it and everyone's looking and they're all like uh oh it starts up a big fire and it all gets sucked into I guess the air conditioning of some sort ventilation and smoke sucking uh Claire says Hindenburg which is what she referenced before and uh now I'm just gonna go frame by frame oh god here we go and here we go I don't know I want you to keep an eye on how it's so big yeah look at where the other fires come from it travels through the pipes or something I don't know I don't know man look there's other explosions off on the side like a chain reaction look at that explosion look at the other explosions that everyone's dead it's a hell of the ending the entire area is dead this this yeah for when I first saw this film I I was what the fucking several times over I couldn't believe what I was seeing like what is this I don't know who's the good guy look at this boom oh but if you were it gets even worse it actually does it's not over uh this uh yeah and so Benoit Blanc is just watching happily and he just says disruption oh by the way he's he's chilling with the rando from the beginning of the movie I genuinely think he's out here rather than just yeah I actually have a feeling that's what's happening here for writing is that it's like see Benoit rescued that guy to make sure he wouldn't have been hurt it is like okay you know what that's that's really concerning about what it means exactly that means that means Benoit knows what was going to happen which we already know he was like a hobbyist about this well yeah that would essentially means that he needs to I get how to phrase it dangerous enough to consider it a rescue yes and so we see the room as you can see here it is annihilated but everyone's okay there's fire rubble and destruction everywhere his fucking ass breaks through the ceiling and crashes into the center of the room it's going where he's going remember how I said that earlier it's really clever and brilliant so good um great so yeah to make it clear major criticism is the Helen has been annihilated she tried to kill everyone and herself pretty much yeah I don't understand and no reason for you to assume that Benoit Benoit is the one that put that in her head and it matches all the shit that he said earlier and I don't know if this was intentional where he says like I can't operate outside of the courts you're gonna have to do the fucking part where you kill everyone I can't operate outside of the courts but you a citizen who lives in a country with war you can't do it I don't understand what the fuck did she actually what was her intention can someone make like can someone actually argue what her definitive intention was with supported by references she had to have known that that could have killed all of them and in fact it shouldn't look at those explosions look at that shit think about the debris the shock waves the heat like come on having glass showered on top of you can kill you too this I know that this is a movie but in real life glass is sharp look at those flame throwers that go towards the Mona Lisa a room that's almost entirely on fire would suck almost all the oxygen out of the room too no there's no smoke no smoke either is a great little little sequence that uh yeah so it's just nothing makes any sense anymore and ben was a bolstered character too he was already bad enough to use so stupid but he signed off on killing everybody because they couldn't solve the fucking case that is the worst result for a detective in anything ever when they go I can't figure this out I'm gonna kill you all talk about a sore loser Jesus Christ but seriously though you have to do it you have investigative stories where they sometimes like there are plenty of episodes of law and order right where they don't succeed oh yeah that's the consequence you you failed it didn't work maybe you did everything right and it didn't work it's just that's that's how that's how it goes yeah and you have to find the right everybody right yeah you just kill everybody as though you know what if you can't beat the bad guy within the system you should just fucking lop their head off enough yeah and and way to pin it on a black woman by the way it's like come on she blew it all up well it's it's a really weird choice in general because she's sold as a very good person throughout this film but she does the most monstrous act in all of it because the others came close right by acknowledging the man mission by securing clear but she deliberately tried to blow everyone up I yeah like it's but I think the film almost believes like well no she didn't try and blow him up she just blew up all of the property and it's like but they are inside the property a lot of them are injured plenty of them are injured they've got cosmetic you know scars nothing too bad but like that's that's because you wrote the story to bend the laws of physics and it's gonna get worse yeah I suppose it's time to move on so as was mentioned by mell there are flamethrowers piling into the Mona Lisa right now for some fucking reason that's just the way it's working but of course it's protected by the glass and it's not going to go down in time soon unless someone was depressed the world's most famous painting yeah such an unfortunate unfortunate reality sorry I'll put it on the screen so you can see about it they're just flamethrowers piling into it um but yeah you need to press the override and you kill the Mona Lisa now that's just how it works so not as her objective right now is to destroy the Mona Lisa which genuinely at this point the film is confusing she just blew up this room full of people and then she gets up after all of that is like you you're next Mona Lisa I'm gonna get you fuck you for ruining my life Mona Lisa I'm gonna get my revenge on you something that's curious is it looks like all the other characters don't like wanted to stop which makes sense I wanted to do that well of course it makes sense it's the Mona Lisa like there's no why would you destroy the Mona Lisa like whatever it takes to make a rich guy cry but isn't it funny though that they the two of them can't stop her because there's an explosion near them but it knocks them to the ground like oh god what have you done all of that gloss and fire hope that don't get serious injuries from that but he's barefoot along all that glass I saw die hard but we can all calm down because ultimately she ain't gonna get anywhere this is Edward Norton is gonna run her off the trail because he's he's actually about to connect with her pretty hard and he's a guy he's gonna slam right into it you don't even need to actually like grip her you can just fucking bash her like it's over and you know the direction he's coming from this is gonna be pretty easy too it's like lined up perfectly so here we go chat I hope you're paying attention here all right so he's got it you can see from here he's just gonna fucking annihilate clearly he's a big guy he's a yeah he's so much taller than right man oh so lucky he said or what he's just put so it's done right here and I'm so lucky he got her man it's not a great no not a great grab here of all the options he had but he's opted for this and that's fine it's gonna work all you know need to do is just uh close down on them tendons make sure that oh that's not a good grip either it's just oh that's your fingers close them no curl your fingers so I want everyone to understand the reality here this this is the hero tried to rescue the Mona Lisa and failed that's what happened yeah every every person it's like Colossus said they have like four or five moments and he failed yeah going up to press the button what like what why would you write this I don't know well yeah so this this is it this is yeah this is glass onion and I know that loads of people never even thought to consume this fucking story but they have through evap and yes this everything we've told you is true this is what happens the Mona Lisa is incinerated or into a pile of ash we can just sit on that image I suppose yeah we we often talk about like the just the inconsistencies but like the emotional impact of watching the hero of the story desperate to burn the Mona Lisa for the only reason of annoying someone yeah really fucking weird yeah I don't know chief maybe don't put this in your film or have the villain do it as like the inciting incident for world outrage and really as I think it's what you're you're destroying the Mona Lisa you turn the hero of your story into the ultimate villain there is an additional reason she does this we're not going to bring it up yet because it destroys the full again because we can just go on this image of going up there to destroy oh like I don't even know why I keep saying one of the most well-known pieces of art like ever something that is nearly many many many many people around the world and you destroyed it yeah because it doesn't even belong to him it belongs to France and broadly it belongs to the world I know that yeah in a way you know and you burnt it and you did this and you didn't add this right after try to blow up all the people in this room yeah finish that's like that wasn't that wasn't enough no seriously consuming this is a story it's baffling you just like why why it's baffling why why would you do this what what is what is the way that I'm meant to read this that it's hilarious if someone was to destroy the Mona Lisa by fire like I don't know why this is what I mean I don't know what I'm supposed to triumphant like she's good good on you for willing to be willing to do that he fucking destroys something that doesn't belong to him belongs to the world ultimately and why I just found out why yeah well we're gonna move on soon enough I just like can you can you consider as well from a mantis standpoint it's like well those fuckers who think I killed Star Wars I'm gonna kill the Mona Lisa because the thing is is that later we'll have to talk about the argument in favor of this from the story's perspective um it's not good no it's not and this image though isn't it just like there's a reason this is our thumbnail it makes me uncomfortable I don't like it yeah it's not comfortable I really don't like looking at it and it would be really lame if someone's like it's just it's just a painting or like it's just a piece of property it's like I don't know man I know it's not real things it can be replaced oh wait no it can't it is real though talking in the context of the story itself if someone's like yeah but it's property it's like well it's not yours for starters but even then I thought we all agreed that like art what are we watching here this is meant to be art right this is a movie well she went out and just like tore like went out and did a big book burning like what then it's just I don't know man like a moment why would I believe that you're the hero for going out of your way to destroy a painting you didn't have to do it you didn't have to do everything that you did up until this point but then you woke up after blowing up this room full of people and looked at the Mona Lisa and decided I'm not done yet I just don't understand what am I meant to make of her but look how funny it is look at his reaction what a loser yeah I mean oh yeah exactly he gave us his explanation for how it made him feel and the inspiration he got from it and how much Carrie wants to consider it with yes there's a selfish element of like I want to be remembered alongside it but like this means everything to him it's like you haha I made you feel bad now you're like okay many many many people who are in this room I'm the point of the point of highlighting him is that we don't even need to bring them in I almost feel bad just for the fact that this man here is experiencing trauma from the fact you destroyed the Mona Lisa why is this like a good thing it's like well he's a bastard he killed other people it's like okay but like punish him for that why are you destroying the Mona Lisa she didn't do anything to you she didn't do anything Leonardo da Vinci certainly didn't do anything to you no definitely not friends I don't know what friends to do either but like you know what straight class or whatever the hell it was I guess I mean like come on it feels like when well we know what the point is I don't like if I murdered someone and instead of putting me in jail or whatever you kill my mother I'd be like yeah but you're pretty upset now aren't you there was just some guy walking by and you punched him in the face it's like dad that's what you get and then he's just there roll it on the ground like oh I was just walking here who are you so why did she do it oh I'm sure it's make all the sense why he just said you've accomplished nothing and she said your fuel of the future just barbecued the Mona Lisa the world's most famous painting you dumbass well it didn't have a will of the zone and then she says congratulations on the public launch of clear and the end of miles brawn and he is stunned into silence there's a lot of physical evidence miles brawn he'll go down in history well so yeah she's you're ruined and you got what you you got your wish you'll be remembered in the same breath as the Mona Lisa forever I actually want to summarize more of the scene because then we can just pick it to fucking death because it's a horrible scene yes so yeah uh she walks off happy she's done everything she wants and so he's like all right everyone let's get our story straight she did all this bullshit no this is we're not letting this happen we're gonna we're gonna beat her up we're gonna annihilate her right gang we also the same thing we know what happened am I right and they one by one decide you know what we're gonna say what we need to say we're gonna lie to bring down miles we are switching teams Christ so yeah I'll pause I'll pause there and we can talk about that man where to where to start Jesus Christ yeah well first of all we can start with them just going what because all their eardrums are blown out from the explosion yeah you know she tried to kill them all the big thing to take away is that they've had their change of heart after she tried to kill them all yeah then burned down a priceless artifact that we will never get that they tried to stop her from burning down which I would hope that even if they don't care about that painting they wouldn't understand how much it means to people around the world I feel like the film and just normal you know human nature tells you that if anything they would be further to miles side than hers but no they're apparently now switching why yeah considering that switching that side means admitting that you lied under oaths you're going to jail I would have expected you to throw that in as a just knowledge of how things work and that you would throw but it's like it's mentioned in the film uh Ben was already said they committed perjury and he's talking about the fact that he knows they're lying they are now going to admit they were lying they will have to deal with the consequences of having committed perjury exactly and also by the way all of you guys you are all committing to going down with him too he'll bring you all down with him and you'll all be able to be responsible for the destruction of the painting which that'll follow you forever so yeah doesn't make any sense wouldn't happen not happening in fact I almost don't believe it would have happened post this scene they're all just they're all just delirious right now yeah yeah like well that was insane guys she tried to kill us and then destroyed them I'm looking to be on her side I believe I had to say that sentence so then you really think these gaggle of douchebags are not going to squeal on each other the moment they're interrogated honestly dude I didn't know that they're fucking testimony would matter compared to like so he's got no way of proving any of this um because there's no cameras but he does have fingerprints that are everywhere oh yes building burns down there was physical evidence with a button there's the big thing is that her fingerprints will just be on the button and even if they're not there would be other information that would be available to them like people people are pretty clever you'd be surprised by how clever people can be oh yeah how many things you can figure out if you get the right people with the right amount of knowledge be like so something went into the ventilation system of this place from a fire that originated here around all of this shattered glass and destroyed stuff yeah also there's this weird substance in there that we don't really know what that is like oh what's going on with this that's weird because this substance would have been flowing through all of this all day so there must have been some sort of conduit for that oh somebody threw like a substance into a fire and then caused an explosion yeah also hey that wood in this bar looks kind of weird did that someone smashed that before that happened and then all he needs is for one of them to roll he doesn't need all of it like and as soon as you do that yeah at least one of them is gonna well what i'm suggesting is as soon as one of them does they're all fucked because like this just yeah yeah and they're all gonna keep a lying like how are they gonna maintain a lying story about whatever happened and they were like they're gonna say miles did it all what is the motive i guess the insurance this is oh that's the other thing miles mentioned he has all of this it all of it's insured he's gonna be fucking trilly at it yeah yeah yeah malicious act by absolutely your insurance company didn't know about the clear or whatever so you're not protected the thing about that is i'd be curious how it all works when the person who did it you know like um what what if the insurance doesn't protect against clear would be a strange thing because it's just an explosive at that point right the reality would be that it would like oh you did it so you're responsible for this and all the damage that followed from it which case it's like we should probably mention Helen is going to jail for the rest of her life oh yeah she destroyed the world will never forgive her no they'll be people who want to kill her they're gonna be it was yeah absolutely yeah she might she will probably be killed yeah yeah way to go ben benny i'm glad you pinned that all on her yeah this should just address the major thing then because she's under the impression that the news story will be the reality of clear is that it explodes and in that disaster having happened the launch of clear it detonated and destroyed the Mona Lisa now yet you know what that could be thrown out by some pathetic hack of a fucking reporter doing that because someone's gonna be like how'd that happen then it's like oh well you know you saw someone threw clear into a fire and it blew up the whole room and then they removed the security from Mona Lisa so the flames aided up it's like i'm sorry who did that uh Helen Brand Helen Brand did that and being the schematic surely of like oh there was a mechanism to guard the Mona Lisa that activates when things like this happen so did it fail it's like well if we look no it doesn't look like it failed so again i'm just like we don't need to do a like oh i wonder what may have happened in that was like no no no no the seven of us now remove this fucking movie from your memory and we find out the Mona Lisa is destroyed we'd all be like what the fuck how did that happen and you find out there's this new energy source called clear it exploded and destroyed it it was a horrific horrible thing that happened we'd be like more information please what happened and they'd be like what do you mean what do you mean what happened you know the clear did it clear is responsible and the guy who runs it is called you know john smith we all hate him now it's like no what happened what happened and then they'll be like well there was a woman who tossed well into a fire removed the security and then we can be like who the fuck is this woman and you go well her name is uh her name is helen brownie like right where does she live would start even earlier it's like well first of all france needed a bit of money it doesn't it gets we're running short so we don't think they understand like the history books are not going to remember miles as having destroyed the Mona Lisa with this project clear they're going to remember this horrible witch lady that tried to assassinate the Mona Lisa for the reason gas leak at the lube or something if there was somehow a gas leak and then it got ignited and then it blew everything up people wouldn't be like ah natural gas we hate you natural gas dude that would go as far as like who the fuck made those pipes who was meant to oversee like induce maintenance and all of that like that's the scenario that has been concocted here is absurd like they're gonna like give people some credit they can figure out some real crazy things with forensics and science and just using your brain to like talk to people and then piece together their stories give them a little bit of credit i know that your investigator is an idiot but like their investigators out there are incredibly intelligent and this is the Mona Lisa man you know how many eyeballs are going to be on this like how many people are going to be involved in this investigation oh a lot i feel like we've said that like 50 million times by the way but if one of them is i saw him driving away from adi's house at night she was killed that's just little say that's like that is a straight up lie it's impossible to have taken place with the information you've already given oh by the way doesn't she also get something for i don't know burning duke's body or something nobody cares that dude nobody yeah all of this last oh dude i read there i wouldn't even know where to begin to stack i need to talk to someone to figure out all the crime she's committed it's a bunch i'm sure there's gotta be some law degree guy here in the chat you've got a you've got some homework ahead of you my friend oh the list the list of things the list of crimes she's doing it it's staggering and like what what was it all a day off like well the rich guy feels bad now doesn't he yeah it was not worthy i'd say a lot of people are gonna feel bad when they find out that the Mona Lisa has been destroyed this is like miles brawn is not gonna be the focus of the conversation no it's gonna be a certain lady yeah but even if even if everyone has got good lawyers too even if everyone bought the story that really this was all his fault it's like well we destroyed the Mona Lisa in the process just to blame it on him like that's that's revenge i guess he didn't have to destroy it yeah you oh man what have we made of all these people like am i meant to be like ah good on you guys because like it's not you had opportunities you could have done the right thing and this was the worst time to do what you believe is the right thing you're protecting who just who tries to kill all of you for starters including people who had absolutely nothing to do with cutting the sister out from the company like what a whiskey had to do with any of that no whiskey feels disconnected from all of this yeah nothing to do she wasn't involved in that yeah peg yeah well you could have killed this guy you didn't know that the guy that Benoit whatever his name is hanging out with was okay but you don't even know if there were actually like people who work in this building you know like he said that no one else was there but what if there was like just some little janitor guy he's just like i'm the janitor i'm just around to clean up you know hang on that you blow him up there's a lot of people have been saying i think it was in a super channel a couple people in chat saying like why didn't they incorporate him playing with his lighter and then the gaseous nature of the you know you make it so that his own creation destroys his own obsession with the Mona Lisa isn't that the way you do this instead of having this is how we all kind of set it up anyway because like oh look how bad this is and how fucked up in anything and like he can make him lose too his hubris destroyed the one thing he loved more in the world than anything yeah this seems like the fucking obvious way to do it he has a mistake but we make this fucking meth dream at the end where it's like haha now the now the rich guy is angry it's like the fuck are you why why what am i what am i to take from this oh you can fuck shit up if you want to make someone bad you don't like it's like what what what am i supposed to take from this what just throw a hissy fit yeah what is the actual deal man in terms of like the moral framework here you've been wronged by somebody therefore you can destroy something that isn't theirs yeah i can't you can't spin this it's impossible it's the Mona Lisa it's the fucking Mona Lisa why didn't you make it like no you don't know because the actual argument applies like like even if it was some like little imagine if it was you know just like a little stick figure it's like oh yeah my son drew that and then you destroyed it that would still also be like wow you'd have to go and do that you know that you get this fucking walk off just like yeah i say yeah i say the story isn't quite over we got like two seconds left basically the police are arriving so benoit and uh helen are arrested of course yeah hope so yeah glass yeah because no one's leaving here anytime so they're still on the island right there's no way off so they're still there and they said the police would arrive by six a.m and it looks like i guess this would make some sense that they're coming in now dude just imagine them them them starting to arrive and all they see is a big ass explosion it's like what the fuck is happening on that island yeah and you have them all rushing out and like what what are we can you imagine all the stories this is the kind of thing the police need bodycams to record everything everyone says but myles is going to be like here that one officer arrested she blew everything up she fucking nearly killed all of us and what are you going to have like the shithead people running out going no actually myles did it uh myles was the one that i saw myles kill the the i just don't want you ever to see that they're just sitting there all chill it's like you're chill after an explosion do you know how suspicious that looks yeah yeah by the way this film is not over having the police arrive and then we hit credits you're like you're kidding me dude by the time knives out three i'm meant to believe i am myles brawn the welder the destroyer of the model lisa they're going to mention that they're going to mention it yeah one that you're absolutely you're damn right they'll make it canon that myles brawn is hated yeah yeah jail cell or something oh my god yeah they'll make sure to tell us he's lost everything he's on the streets escaping the police and then he got captured and thrown into jail for 10 life sentences also can we can we talk about the random guy the fucking stoner guy that just hangs out and gets drunk or whatever what do you want to say about i don't know it's just he just he seems to be friendly with myles because like oh he hangs out here he has to have a phase or something and they just happily watch as the whole thing explode and doesn't even give a shit like who the fuck are you dude there goes my home man that's cool i didn't who the fuck are you he would be like holy shit what happened here no no no normal people normal people see an enormous explosion when they know that the place is populated and they rest they go oh okay that's what normal people do that happens me he's gonna be he's gonna be a he's gonna be a witness i'm sorry oh what did you say it's like i know this guy came to my room it's like oh it's gonna explode everyone we better should get out and watch the explosions from the outside and have a beer and a cigar this is my home dude what are you talking about i legit i'm baffled by this film because it's like we'll never get justice for uh andy's murder that's not like gonna happen that case is just done there's no evidence oh yes gg yeah like what if she's not in the film what a bold fucking choice where you just have that be the case like oh well and it's not like it's intentional it doesn't come across like the film is saying sometimes you don't get the bad guys sometimes they get away with some it just seems like we sort of gave up like whatever yeah we're gonna think about the other one no they got the revenge yeah last shot of the movie is absolute fucking genius she's just like the Mona Lisa fuck off you don't have the right i wish she was gonna do a crisp don't even yeah some jets jets of fire just come out of the beach floor yeah it's such a after everything even angry after everything you threw at us you throw this like really thanks yeah thank you so much i just destroyed this this this valuable piece of art and i'm gonna post like it is and do the last frame is i say what why why you just showed me that you legit you don't give a shit that you just did that so why why are we doing this what is what does it mean bring you what doesn't mean i don't understand what it is you guys don't understand the point is that she really just because remember how you don't destroy like nobody actually wanted her to destroy the Mona Lisa and she did it oh good job there's that there's a disruption there's another thing as well and if you go back to what myles said of why he found the Mona Lisa so inspiring or interesting is that the way that it's built all the brush strokes and stuff every time you look at it you might be able to interpret something else is she happy is she sad is she satisfied i think the point of that is ryan's asking his audience how do you think she feels about this ending and it's like she's satisfied she just said i got the but like i got the son of a bitch like what do you mean she's a bad person it's pretty straightforward i find it funny like she's like what is truly going on in helen's head it's like she's an asshole goes to jail for a long time ever trying to think about the sort of morality of what happens at the end and i was thinking about it and it's like okay you have a you have a loved one who gets killed by someone who tries to rob them and they accidentally kill your parent let's say and then you try to you know get them arrested and charged for the murder but it doesn't work right you don't have the evidence right so then you go blow up an art museum and frame them for it and it's like and it works and you have like an orphanage or something like a normal person well i mean that's rags is right we can we can have plenty of orphanages and orphans we can't have plenty of Mona Lisa's yeah you can always get more orphans yeah that's easy our problem isn't that we have not enough orphans they're everywhere Mona Lisa's are not running around everywhere what you see why i couldn't get justice the normal way so i did something horrible and then framed them for it so it's that makes it all right for some reason the others went along with it i don't know it's just worked and that's that's the movie people are saying you can't understand it's it's too intelligent for you yeah that makes you feel better i do believe i dropped all of my rq points watching it so maybe they have a point now so unfair that this this gets to get away with it there's lots of the films that got away with it this one i like that in chat just now that's it that that's the one that's it that is indeed the movie everyone's gushing over i saw it not even necessarily i wasn't even really looking to watch it me melt threw it on so we're having some food and i was like oh i can watch yeah and like wow and then i was like i need to inflict this on rags and fringy and boy did he which meant i had to watch it three times and you watch it four times now i think i did yeah i watched it today to get all the notes in place and it was not fun there's something actually wrong with you hey this is what this is what happens when i go visit my friend here let's watch this awful movie three times we also watched it crowd and that was great that was great yeah it was awesome some boots the last wish and i thought it was pretty solid oh yeah and i would well i would like that's a film that i would would prefer to spend some time talking about and now we we talked about this film instead and hopefully never again there will be another one and it will be some more bullshit i cannot i would like this to be remembered it can't be that the third one is worse than glass onion it's not possible they're running out of art to destroy right it can't be right pick up this point they would have to have the main characters butcher an entire orphanage like one by one and still try to frame them as the good guys i think that's how you do it make it worse yeah and then the movie ends with the glass onion of course playing in the credits one of the worst beetle songs so i feel like um it's it's already over there you go that's the best frame i think i've got it there you go it's an explanation ah yes you know the place or nothing so yeah if they announce that night's out three is gonna have time travel then i'm immediately gonna be like fuck we already did that though he did the time travel where in the future you can't commit crimes except the whole catalyst for the story as the crime is committed in the future yes glass onion in the multiverse of madness and then it changes its rules part way through the film in terms of how the time travel works you know i've seen and i think i talked to you guys about this before because i was just fucking baffled by a post that was positive about the knives out films very positive thought they were brilliant and said what they love the most about it is that benoit blanc is in reality a bumbling detective who likely got to his point through like lots of luck and lots of other things but but we see that in action in these two movies that he raises two women to the point where they can like sort of self actualize and become exactly what they needed to to sort of win their stories and that that's what his role in these movies are is to kind of be an idiot but to facilitate someone else's story it's not about him it's about them i mean i know it's not about him because central plot okay you just said they're like what the fuck i kind of agree well it's just but it's odd though because in universities recognize as being the world's greatest detective does that mean it's stolen valor he steals the the accomplishments of other people to so like do you like him or not i think if ryan heard that he'd be like he's not bumbling he's he's smart yeah i think he's super smart he's big smart he plays among us for god's sake he's my son very good at it though of course he's smart no he's not maybe it's better quibble i should we didn't see that so yeah this is you got lupa tlj knives out knives out too that's what i have seen of his work in thorough degree and like all i can believe they were all made by the same guy they they ooze this like this is the worst one out of the four though some people said like you think it's worse than tlj it's like yeah well wait to be fair i think what i'll say is the damage done by tlj is much worse much worse impact yeah but in terms of like look the amount of inconsistencies in every single thing we highlighted like i don't know this is pretty fucking horrendous well and it's always subservient to some other objective that isn't like the internal uh integrity of the story it's always something else like some sort of statement about the matter or some like attempt to do twists on like genre or um like it's always in service of some other objective other than the integrity of the story yeah to make it like that'd be a point right just in favor of the the broader art statement the artistic statement because i think some people are actually like well yeah this fucking film beyond the Mona Lisa is like so that there's still a sense like culturally of its impactatives of just what a piss state of a film but i would say like if i could undo one of them it's going to be tlj it's not going to be this like this i don't care he's he's destroying the knives out franchise which was already shit so i just yeah and that's nice out pretty gloss onion is that's correct i guess but because we covered knives out in the form we did on drinkers channel and then we did like a video praising it i think that was a was a film mentor one i think he was saying like finally it's proof that ryan can write and it was like no oh no no we've got a point of like he is just consistent he's reliable like i said this this is little similarities you can spot in the way that he writes shit it's funny pathetic but funny like the the i've seen people say like describe his workers having biting social commentary uh it's all right bite biting is what's the social commentary here is it just references it's references there's no commentaries just references yeah you guys have seen the crazy right wing a shooting his gun talking about rhino pills and in fact his mum controls his life because he's actually not an alpha male right like that's the common theory that's that's it's like what was what is your point though and it's like what do you mean that's the point again the more the more relevant question always i find interesting is can you tell me what his film is about without referencing anything he said in interviews um because that's what happened knives out everybody referenced and they use like the the quote the clip of him explaining like yes who done it then it became thriller then who done it every single video i said i saw on that film referenced that interview so what is the interview he gave for this film that will be referenced in all of the videos what i'm seeing all over the internet it's kind of how we began this stream as well is the whole like you didn't understand the point of this film glass onion is that not everything is as complicated as you thought it was it's actually very simple i got it a bit it's not like what what is even that beyond is that like what i'm supposed to take from this movie sometimes things aren't as complicated you thought it can be really simple like you dumbass viewer thinking that it was going to be more complicated than it is you came into that sort of you've done it and therefore came in with expectations about how complex it would be but it wasn't but it was because you had the whole thing of the twin sister and the entire plan that they concocted it wasn't simple it was kind of convoluted and then of course like the broad structure of the film is pretty convoluted as well like there's a lot of jumping back and forth a lot of new information that is totally and i mean does that have anything to do with like oh would there's no layers you you can see right through to the center it's like well no you can't because in order to do that you need a lot of information that isn't available at the beginning you can't figure out the twin thing until about an hour into the film there's no information as far as i can tell that you can use to figure that kind of thing out anything that i because like i said i think i guessed that miles did it but it was because i was trying to figure out the meta i was like so you've set a glass onion it's basically deceptive so you're fucking with me you're trying to deceive me what are you doing ryan as opposed to what is the story presenting me that i can latch on to to start to figure things out yep and directed by ryan johnson it's just a bullshit movie like i think that's a good way to scroll it's just bullshit if you thought this was good you didn't you didn't pass the test you fell for everything that the movie wanted you to think you have no brain of your own i think the more interesting question for me is like so what can you like can you walk me through it like what is it like genuinely like what is the what's the thing about the film that's so like mesmerizing and interesting to you and like could you lay it out i think that's what i'd want i'd just be interested and i want to know what the references are as well right like what references can you point to in the the story that'll be the things that appeal to you a lot rather than broad meta things like what you said it's like he's bumbling and he raises up other people it's like so that's just the dynamic that you like okay like i guess that's something but it's not much of something really i said um i asked someone to tell me like just positive from from the writing just let me know what what is positive about glass onion and then they said they listed soundtrack a lot of the performances the cinematography and i was like oh yeah so i was looking for like a writing compliment and then they said well that's not really fair and i was like it's not it's not about that i just want to know what like just well there is funny thing but i was trying to say like it's not about whether or not anything's fair i really just wanted answers to the question what is like a positive about the writing please let me know when ryan johnson is praised as a writer director i want to i want to know what the praise is for the script people praise the scripts it's just on a very vague level or it will be like what happened with knives out where it's like he changed the genre that in and of itself is smart so i mean that's again that's genre like prescriptively versus descriptively like it's yeah i don't know well don't you don't you see both it have i failed by even trying to figure this film out don't you see fringy the people i hate also hated the movie that means it was a success right yeah i see yeah because that's a great way to watch media criticism these days that's a wonderful way to watch films is through the lens of yeah but what did the people i hate think about it and i'll just what the hell would you people say if you didn't have the internet if you had had actually you know yeah what about yourself without twitter or like yeah if they didn't have a phone and only had fax machine oh you know what else tell you what you were supposed to think like what would if they vomited when they lied and they had fax machines to talk about the movies we'd actually get some really decent content because to be honest with you like a lot of people accuse different people here and there like oh you're just shit like it happened under the drinker tweet it was like it's pretty obvious drinkers trying to bank on the hatred of tlj he doesn't actually think this movie's bad and there's someone who like fucking watched it with him and talked to him about it it's just like guys it's it had he didn't like it he actually didn't like drinker uh drinker enjoyed knives out right no drinker is one of the few people on the internet including us that thought knives out was bad yeah oh i must be mixing up with someone else a lot of people like nice that one who you can watch well because there was a prevailing statement of get him away from star wars but on his own thing he's great yeah well yeah yeah well that is which uh i mean i've seen the films he made one star wars film and i've seen the other i haven't seen brick should we watch that no just find out just complete the puzzle you know it's so boring some things were not meant to be solved well well evidently right by trying to figure out this film you failed because it was simple and you're not meant to overanalyze it because i'm sure that ryan johnson didn't spend a long time sitting down with the script well actually you know what fuck me yeah maybe he didn't maybe he didn't write it in the afternoon i don't know i don't like it when you get penalized for trying to figure something out like that you made him make for even attempting to take it seriously oh why did you put it in if i'm not supposed to like watch and pay attention why did you put it in but surely you turned down all of the accolades right when people are like your film is brilliant you'll be like no it wasn't it was stupid like no it's consistent i'm sure that that's how he would approach it when he looks at because knives out in glass onion were very well received both of them they're both highly well received very very very highly as in regarded as among like the top 10 films of the years that they came out um yes one thing i wanted to say is that i i don't know if there's a director who's better at wasting talented actors than ryan johnson it's incredible right he got edward norton he got now um michael shannon and like chris evans and tony collett and uh i can't believe i'm figure halloween lydie halloween lea kurtis what about em night shaman you think he does a pretty good job of fucking this up as well oh he's up there but uh disney in general always found his films to be more fascinating though i yeah you know our god how many of you have seen puss in boots the lost wish how many i have i haven't seen you i'm considering seeing it i've heard a lot of good you should it's really good i probably do i would like to see it now i plan to do a fortune item uh someone i wanted to bring up especially now that we post film is that that that tweet quote in drinker right it's collectively everyone's like shitting on him being like ha ha he didn't understand it but when you start reading some of the more popular responses they all have different reasons for why he's wrong and some of them are contradict right at that point it's like one of the first ones is people say there are so many plot holes and then you find out the plot hole is just that they didn't like it like oh genius so so you're saying like the film is actually coherent then it's interesting and it's like have you looked into what he said and have you got an example of like something that he's clearly wrong because he's got his video out on it you know um you know i think glass onion is really smart but it's just that the mystery itself is incredibly obvious the subtext of the film and some of its symbolism is genius so just some of the subtext like symbolism like yeah like tell me really she posed at the end and someone else said that the movie makes fun of these people oh so like the people not very well i just don't mean you're sitting there like what and that that reminds me she hope it's like oh she just calls it dumb she hope made fun of the haters but it like it did a shit job of it that wasn't embarrassing at all but also i don't believe that ryan johnson would watch any film uh video that's an appraisal of this film and go wow idiot you actually tried to like analyze my film he wouldn't do that and conversely the same people who would say like why are you even taking it seriously if you got a reference wrong they'd be like you're fucking wrong you got that wrong like that piece of information is incorrect you're fucking idiot you're like shitting on this film and you don't even have the references right it's like you gotta you gotta make up your minds here what is it is it stupid and there's no references that are necessary in terms of like making claims that can be disproven or a falsifiable or are they falsifiable claims is it actually an intelligent movie that's structured coherently you gotta pick one no i mean i guess to be fair i'm not applying this to people who made different arguments themselves that's just more interesting that nobody can even agree on what's great about it because you know what i think people agree on what's great about saving private ryan you know or like citizen kane or any number of just general good films people tend to agree or like you know toy story i don't know i haven't seen people coming away with weird disparate perspectives on person boots everybody seems to be in unison in terms of understanding what's strong about it both in terms of its presentation and the story itself and the messaging can we talk about that briefly there's there's some that have got some likes that again i'm just like op is obviously dumb but i don't see how the glass onion concept absolves the film from criticism it's fine if its intention is to be silly and not focus on the minutiae of the plot and writing whatever but it's valid to dislike it for that reason like wow uh uh no no stop it careful like i said can you make a glass onion movie that's bad the reason i i did stop possible to do i stop before the end because then they said especially since the first one was so good no god damn it you had it all there you blew it did people complaining about this movie even watched the first one the reveal in that one was that it was obvious to the point of being comedic who did it isn't the real mystery to these movies unfortunately what's the real mystery then um they are right about that's the real mystery they are right about one thing is that it's it's it's very similar twist in both movies the twist is it's the guy you thought it was going to be the most obvious guy with the most screen time most motive yeah as someone who likes who done it's i think they did a great job fucking with people who over analyze every clue in story beat i do you like and why do you know done it's why yeah i hate my life that's genre bedding i want my mommy yeah that's that's that's all yeah i'm done it's just that was glass onion it was so fucking bad and i'm so done with this fucking movie we can stop now we can rest please