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Yep So we were talking about the four basics of four basic principles of the Open source projects which we have the first one was you can read the source code and then it was about You can like what was it I just lost Yeah, so one of the ways just to refresh really quick We have these four the four freedoms you can also remember them as the four Rs The freedom to read the freedom to run Freedom to remix the freedom to redistribute So those that's kind of the the quick summary version of those four freedoms I talked about and Bringing it back into the open source conversation of how that helps you learn and gain new skills is People are working on these open source projects in in on these Code hosting platforms like a lot of people probably know or heard about Get hub or get lab and in fedora. We have ag war These are all these places where open source projects are working in the public and by using one of these open source licenses and following these four freedoms of free software This is a place that you can actually gain new skills by getting involved with actual free software projects and you can make real Contributions while you're learning new things and or building on what you already know Like for me when I first got involved in the fedora project in 2015 I was still I was probably 18 or 19 at the time and I still had a lot to learn I didn't really know I wasn't really a great programmer But there were all these other things that I could do in the fedora project like the community operations team The documentation team because I enjoyed writing There were all these other ways that I could kind of learn new tools and new New ways of doing things and actually make real contributions, you know I'd actually contribute to the fedora documentation or I'd actually run a meeting for the community operations team And you know, I was still learning a lot of things, but I was I Had this opportunity to actually give back a little bit while I was while I was getting a lot back of just experience and new new ways of working Which brings me into kind of the last benefit of how open source can help you build a tech career You actually get this opportunity to meet new people from around the world like you and me where I'm from the US And you're in Pakistan, you know, we have these and then the fedora community Specifically, there's people all around the world from there's people. I think watching this from South America from Europe and across in some places in Asia too, so this is one of the things that you really get to do in open source is you get to meet and network with people who are already working in tech and Working on open source projects out in the industry So it's a really great way to meet new people make new friends, but also look for look out for new opportunities as well A lot of people end up. It's not uncommon to at least out Definitely in the US and in Europe for folks who work on open source projects for that to lead to You know, if they even they're doing it in their free time for that to lead to Like an employment offer or a job opportunity doing doing some of that open source work or Getting to work on similar projects so this is where I want to bridge over into the second topic for the live of How you can get knowledge by giving time So one of the things that I think it's kind of interesting because open source, you know When I talk about those four freedoms of software those those aren't new those have been around they were they were basically proposed in the 1980s in Universities working on software in the United States a lot of some people might know Richard Stallman he was Kind of the founder I guess of of the free software movement and he was one of the original advocates for those four freedoms and so now when we look at this in 2020 like where we are today the the View towards open source is so different from even 10 or 20 years ago You know, it's almost becoming this buzzword that everyone Everyone is suddenly kind of catching on to and is starting to learn more about But you have to remember that it's also this thing that's been around for almost 40 years now So when we when we come back to where we are today the one thing that you have to keep in mind, especially if you're doing Open source in your free time or if you're volunteering because there's also different ways of doing open source Some people get to do open source projects as part of their full-time day job responsibilities Some people get to spend a little bit of time working on it for a job or they and they participate in projects They need for their for their work and sometimes folks like like what I've done in the Fedora project for the last five years I I just volunteer in my free time when I when I can help So what are the payoffs on contributing like, you know, if you're gonna especially if you're volunteering You're not getting you're not getting paid money. You're you're contributing your precious limited time as a volunteer working for free. What is that? What is that going to do for you? And It's it's hard at first especially if you're volunteering because you have to think about it in the long run and In a good in a good community, no one's going to expect you to volunteer 20 hours or 40 hours of your week working on the open source project for a lot of folks to look at the Fedora Project the folks who volunteer there a lot of folks will just contribute an hour or two a week, you know when I know people I collaborate with who are who are single mothers and people who are university students and people who are You know working a full-time job and the Fedora stuff is like a like something It's a a side a side a hobby for them But all those people contribute what they can no one's expecting them to you know, like oh You made it you made a contribution now We're gonna expect 20 hours a week from you like that's if you ever do find a project that sets that expectation get out Not not a project Yes, that's pretty good like you people don't get to have a huge amount of Expectations from you whenever you want to do something and I guess that's what the real fun part is Because you can do at your time. You don't it's not a pressure for you so it becomes a lot of fun for a lot of people like it's fun for me to be around Fedora and To work on a huge amount of like different and learn different things I guess which we which I wouldn't have been known if I wouldn't be around in Fedora, so I Guess that's what plays a really important part You get to meet a lot of new people you get to have a lot of fun And you get to learn a lot of new technologies if you are techie So and it's pretty awesome to be here. So just send over to you now Hello, your voice is oops. No, I was muted my bad So that's actually what you were just talking about is a perfect bridge into this next part I wanted to talk about is you know the payoffs on contributing is sort of this long run You know, you're not gonna make your first contribution and someone's gonna give you a job offer or you're going to Suddenly be a night a huge tech person but volunteering and open source Gets you different kinds of knowledge. So say you're just contributing an hour a week and That might be in something that is totally new to you that you've never worked with a little bit But you want to learn about or maybe it's something that you do work with and you want to build your knowledge further But that's really just looking at the tech skills part the other part of contributing to open source is and this is I think one of the The coolest things about contributing to open source is it's not just about the tech and the software But it's a there's a community behind these projects, right? So you also are getting people skills and you're learning Collaboration skills of how you work especially a lot of these bigger open source projects They're international and there's so many times so many times people all around the world all around the world like you know, like I When I started contributing to Fedora, I had never worked with people from India or Pakistan or South America but I got this exposure to different cultures and different people and people it kind of open my There's a there's an echo My I guess it would man on my end I guess I was just trying to say that I read somewhere that Programmers are not really great people when it comes to interacting in person because we are those crazy guys who spend most of their time sitting on Computer so I guess that turns out in ISC. We can make really good friends if someone wants to socialize Yeah, and not to go too off topic But I think there is an interesting little factoid in that too is actually in the us in the 1960s and 70s when computers were just starting to Be the hot stuff and people were starting to pay attention to it people didn't know like Companies started asking like what's what makes a good computer scientist. We don't know. This is a new kind of job And in this 1960s, I be I think it was 60s or 70s, but IBM Created this kind of a personality assessment for What what makes a good computer scientist programmer and it just so happened that that personality test was heavily skewed towards anti-social personality behavior It was also often heavily white men That met that that exceeded in this personality test So just to give some context for that I just wanted to kind of put that out there is there is a lot of kind of Long-term bias even beyond free software back to the 60s in the 70s in the us but that was just an aside. I just wanted to Give some context to that stereotype but But like you like you had said a little bit ago too is like, you know You do get these people skills and these collaboration skills working in open source And these are extremely valuable skills And you know, we often think about when we look at, you know, new positions and jobs in tech you think about the tech skills but You know, even if you're not working in an international open source project You're still going to be working with a team of people You're still going to have to work together on software projects or even not just software but project management and documentation and release management if you're releasing a product So all these things that are kind of these softer skills of working in tech You can get real experience with by contributing to open source software So on one hand, you're also learning a little bit as you go You know, you can make real contributions while you're learning But you're learning more than just tech, you know If you're making pull requests to a python project, maybe you're learning a little bit of python But you're also learning how to make contributions to a distributed project You're learning what their contributing workflow is and how you can get code into that project or where to ask questions and Reach out to the developers There's so many different skills you get by getting involved in open source beyond just tech And those are things that can all really help you in pursuing pursuing job opportunities or or trying to Explore new new places to get involved in tech And this is the the last piece I want or go ahead. Yeah Yes, I would just like to add one thing that you said that open source open Open the world for jobs in front of you because you get to get a lot of exposure with working with people From different backgrounds and you get to work on like for a distributed project you get to work on a project that's on a really massive level and Your little contribution You don't feel like that's going to have an effect but that has an effect like when people use it. So it's like I don't know how to get that on words, but I guess you get to work with the The latest technologies and what's happening in the world because In a general job That everything you are just like if you are a patent developer, then you would be spending all your days working on patent But on open source, I guess you get the freedom to also work on different technologies explore some new stuff and First like it helps you a lot in your job and everything. So I guess now we have we would move to our fourth point Yeah, so just to kind of wrap up on the how you can get knowledge by giving time Is you have to think about it from an interactive learning perspective. You're going to make real contributions You're going to have some successes. You're going to make some mistakes And public mistakes are scary, but they're also great opportunities to learn And I would just advise, you know, there's a lot of hesitation when we start working in the open or By working in open source projects about not done yet or it's like I'm not ready to share this yet but There's a lot of opportunities that do come from sharing. So I just wanted to you know, when you go into open source think about it from Think about it, you know, your your interactive learning is kind of a perspective So that's all I had to cover on that topic. Do you want to go ahead? Uh, I was just talking I was just seeing a talk before we before this and on that it was saying like Channel I don't know what was the name but It was about people who own compilers like sonic pie. Have you heard about that? So when you code you get music out of that the compiler turns that code into music And then rock star language where you would have to type everything on a like 80s metallic type songs type things So you don't write for is equals to and you write in some Pop or rock culture song type thing. So I guess it's just In open you can it's a little scary because after coding even I made some mistakes But there's always a friendly community around you. So they don't they just advise you what use what you can improve on so At the at the first point you're a little hesitant, but once you get friendly with everyone you wouldn't be hesitant the next time So it's just about connecting with people And You know, you might you might come across a project that is not so friendly It does happen time to time You don't have to stick around if you don't find them the community friendly either So there are there are good communities There are good projects and if you if you don't find whenever you find a project try something else Try something else quick so just in I guess Oh, I think your mic is muted So it was a pretty good Conclusion for the third point. I guess now we can move on to the fourth one Yes, so the rest of this live I'd like to actually talk about the fedora project And a little bit of the the reason we're streaming live on fedora pakistan, right? so I'm going to give a very very high level overview of the fedora project and what it what it is I'll assume some people know it's a linux distribution, right? And it's Probably different levels of of knowledge about that, but let's look at it from What its relationship is to the rest of the linux ecosystem? so Fedora is is an upstream project for some really well known linux distributions like centOS and red hat enterprise linux or rel And fedora is and as far as its relationship to the enterprise Fedora in addition to being a stable workstation, you know that you can actually use as a as a Developer or as a as a user it's also Sort of a testing bed of ideas and it's a place to innovate and try out new things And the things that work out well the things that end up being successful Usually make their way into the downstream The downstream projects like centOS And rel and these projects, you know fedora is still a big linux distribution But if we want to talk about linux use across the world rel and centOS are some of the Most widely used distributions globally. I think in the u.s. It's either 90 percent or 100 percent of the fortune 100 companies Or it's airlines. I think it's all 100 percent of airlines in the u.s Are built off of red hat enterprise linux. I think it's 90 percent of fortune 100 companies in the u.s. That have rel infrastructure I'm not exactly sure on that number, but it is still a really high. I know it's I know it's a very high proportion of those companies that use rel So when we look at fedora It's kind of this cool opportunity because there's all these things happening in fedora and across the five years I've been involved I have seen some things that are really cool and you know If we want to look back at fedora history a lot of folks might know about the gnome desktop Or maybe system d these were all things that sort of appeared in fedora for the first time Um, you know, no one had we were one of the first distributions to do gnome three. I think with fedora 16 and system d which was maybe fedora 18 i'm not exactly sure on the exact release But we were one of the first ones to try it out not a lot of linux distributions were adopting it just yet And yes, it was a bumpy road for the first release a couple releases when we did those changes they made some people happy and they made some people not so happy but It was this opportunity to kind of test these things out for the first time with a real project a real community of people And you know, and I've also seen other things that haven't worked out as well in fedora some things that haven't Haven't had as much traction or success, but that's okay You know like that's part of what we do in fedora is it's kind of a place to test out these new crazy ideas that We that we think are going to help make our lives easier as folks working in tech and it with linux, especially the enterprise linux distributions so That's kind of I think where fedora sits and kind of this bigger um linux picture I think that's a good way to think about it is fedora is While it still is and actually this is a great opportunity to mention the four foundations of fedora, which I think is a very Critical part of the fedora community. So we have these four foundations in fedora, which is Friends or I forget the order features friends. No freedom friends features first. There we go So freedom is all about the open source bits that we kind of talked about in the beginning I won't talk about that too much The friends piece is also really important, but I'll cover that in the last topic for the live And the two that are kind of relevant for this one is features and first Fedora always tries to have some of the best feature sets of linux distributions out there by Working with some of the latest upstream versions of projects Which is also why first is one of those foundations is you know We were one of the first to do gnome 3 system d And some of the other things that we're experimenting with now like iot and silver bloom All these different ways of building a linux a linux distribution so That's kind of where fedora sits and as some extra context I won't spend a lot of time on a history lesson, but fedora was a project that started in 2003 november 2003 it was uh So there used to be this thing called red hat linux not not red hat enterprise linux just red hat linux and this was from the somewhere in the 90s up to 2003 and red hat decided to Change their business models a little bit They wanted to experiment with different ways of building their their their enterprise product and that was where fedora was born Fedora was this community project that would be kind of the the upstream for what then became rel red hat enterprise linux so That was 17 years ago And like I said, we've had a lot of kind of interesting Milestones along the way with gnome 3 and system d and some of the stuff that we've seen in the last few releases like silver blue Modularity which I think is really cool because now we see in rel 8. There's these what they call upstream Which in a way is kind of modularity. I wonder where that idea came from anyways So, you know fedora has been around for a long time and it's also been a community project, you know red hat sponsors fedora and it's its primary sponsor but It is still like red hat definitely has a huge part in the fedora community in terms of driving new features and where the distribution Focuses on but it is also a community project. There's a lot of folks who contribute to fedora who are not red hat employees Who work at different companies either, you know, sometimes they work on projects with linux Like enterprise linux and they want to get their stuff into fedora for their day job But sometimes it's just an opportunity to kind of get involved with the future The future of linux the future of open source in this particular part um So I think that's kind of the the recap of fedora that I wanted to give But what I did want to talk about now is, you know, what is fedora today, you know, like What are what are actually the things that make fedora? unique interesting today and In fedora, we have these kind of two things which I think summarize it best We have additions and we have objectives additions are kind of the various Main offerings of fedora like when you go to get fedora.org You're presented with a number of different options A lot of folks will know fedora workstation and fedora silver But we also have some of these emerging fedora additions, which are kind of these testing hotbeds for these really new ways of doing software distribution or running linux so We have three emerging additions right now One of those is fedora core os Which is a container focused minimal Linux distribution is kind of like a bare bones fedora and the use case that I understand for that is if you were running if you wanted to um Run your containers on an operating system fedora core os is kind of the distribution That would make a good fit for running your containers because it's very lightweight. It's very minimal It's really designed to do a few things and do those things well um, so that's the core os fedora core os The door of silver blue is actually more of a desktop oriented so of course, I think core os is kind of more like servery you know DevOps kind of like industry use but fedora silver blue is a different spin on how we do desktops And you know like when we install fedora on our own devices and we use it um So what silver blue does differently is it has what they call an immutable desktop? so You know, maybe you're used to applying software updates as packages and you use the package manager or gnome software to do updates And it's actually changing files on your system If you're familiar with version control systems like git Silver blue is kind of inspired by like something like git except for your operating system So silver blue works in layers every time you make changes they get layered on it's like, you know, here's the base You know, here's the base image. That's what's Inevitable and it will means it never changes So you have that base and then you have these layers that you kind of add on to with your custom changes And it makes it really easy for you if like say Say it's not to do an nvidia driver install and suddenly your entire system is worked and you're like, oh, no There's a little issue at your side in your video So it would be really awesome if you could like close your video because I guess you're interested as a bit laggy Yeah, now Yeah, let me just close my video as well. So now can you hear me now? Yes, can you hear me? Okay Yeah awesome awesome, so silver blue is just kind of the second edition kind of a different way of Kind of a different way of building the the user desktop the user desktop the last Excuse me the last emerging edition the last admittedly. I I don't know a lot about I think is really cool Is fedora iot Which that one is really focused on iot devices, you know and Building a platform for folks to actually build their their um an environment for folks who are building their iot devices Did you want to add anything in there miss here? No, basically I was just uh, what about fedora atomic Yeah, so fedora atomic used to be one of the additions used to be then this actually fits I think fits well into you know, sometimes things work out in fedora And sometimes things don't so fedora atomic so before a fordora atomic it was fedora cloud Fedora cloud was kind of this minimal image supposed to be for you know cloud computing environments And then fedora atomic Uh, it was kind of a further iteration on that that was that first concept. I think of layered file systems um But fedora atomic had some challenges But I think what it led to is what what you would think of fedora atomic today is is really fedora coro s and fedora silver blue um fedora atomic was that same concept of layered images and I think we see while it's It might still be available today. There might still be builds for it. I'm not totally sure but um While it's no longer a featured emerging edition You can get some of those same functionality and innovative features that appeared in fedora atomic Either in fedora coro s or fedora silver blue. I think that's where those um fedora atomic work You know, we didn't just throw that all away Even if it wasn't a super successful idea, we didn't just throw all that all that work away We we iterated on it. We improved it and now we have things like coro s and silver blue Which I think are kind of the the new atomic Awesome, so Yeah, that there's like in fedora. We have like The best part that we all love about fedora is like a sport feature four foundations the four f's of fedora Because like you talked about features and first because we always try to get the best features set for the fedora and Then we are the first ones to implement things that can be served as a better way for the downstream to Implement that on a massive level So like we have a relationship with the well and the center. So We serve as the upstream project as well Am I right? That's right. And can you can you see my screen is my screen sharing? Yeah works fine Awesome. So what about fedora server? Yeah, so fedora server is actually so one thing going back to the history lesson a little bit In your 2014 or 2015 it started with fedora 21 That was when this idea of addition started before before fedora 21 There was only one fedora and you know, you only had um, we did have spins Which are different desktop environments, but i'm not going to get into that too deeply today um You know, we only had really one primary offering of fedora addition started in fedora 21 And that started with fedora workstation fedora server and fedora cloud So the fedora workstation and server are the two official editions. These are the primary offerings of fedora So fedora server is more it's more like your traditional operating system like if you're familiar with centOS or rel you can kind of think of fedora server as like a newer rel server in a way It works the same it's really not focused on desktop technology But it works just the same as it would on Most other linux distributions. It's kind of your more traditional um server linux server environment And it comes pre bundled so like workstation and server both come with different things pre-installed And ready to go out of the box where fedora workstation is going to have gnome gnome is the default desktop environment for fedora workstation Fedora server is not going to have a desktop environment. It's just going to be what we call headless It's just going to be a command line interface Of course, you can install a desktop environment It's never that difficult to do but these are just basically different bundles, you know, we just offer different things in each They're still fedora. They're still they come ready to go with different things Does that make sense? So I guess for Yeah, so for people who don't like using gnome as their default What do we say that as the default? Desktop environment, I guess we have a spins for them. Yeah So so I'll see if we have Go ahead So I guess we have it with kde kd plasma for people like neil gompa who likes to do everything in kde So I guess that's where That's where it comes in xfce So It's pretty good. Like we have A huge amount of community around it and we are on the feature side. We have all this like sugar on the stick desktop for fedora So just in the most important question regarding this Release this thing. What addition do you use of fedora? Um, so I originally started with fedora. Well, actually technically I first started using fedora and fedora 20 when it was just fedora and uh, I upgraded to I guess fedora workstation starting in fedora 21 And while fedora workstation does chip gnome by default and I did use gnome for a really long time I don't use a a desktop environment. I use a window manager But I think that's a Totally different conversation. I won't go. I won't launch into a a deep overview of window managers But I started with fedora workstation. That's where I started and then I started to get more opinions And I started to try new things. So but fedora workstation is where I started So neil gompa saying hey, I heard my name So neil basically we talked about you Encouraging people to use kde plasma I guess the last time we uh, the second last I guess social hour We had we had discussion on gnome versus gnome and kde plasma And there was an apple spool fang going on with kde and gnome that they are emerging together and creating a new Desktop environment and that was a totally a fang and it got me so Yeah, so I guess that's a pretty good overview on how fedora's additions work and was a fedora spin and he uses a Window manager for fedora So that's another thing I'm always in favor of kde neil gompa So, uh, what's next man? I have Yeah, the last thing I wanted to talk about that I mentioned was objectives So if you can kind of think of you know fedora additions are kind of the things that like we're all in we're going to test these things out We have a a new release of fedora Objectives is kind of like When we're thinking about the future when we want where we go next in the fedora project The objectives are kind of those 12 to 18 month visions of where we go from here So anyone can propose an objective um It does require a lot of work. It's not necessarily Um, you know, you this is something that people lead for 12 to 18 months to try out new ideas in fedora and To show some of the things that are currently objectives Uh fedora minimization is all about Creating that lightest possible minimal install of fedora Which admittedly probably fits a lot into I would guess the core os side of things about building that minimal image And there's all these details of kind of the different proposals what the time frame is for it Looks like there's probably some new stuff coming for fedora 32. I haven't read up on it yet Um, there's also more documentation up where you can find details on fedora minimization The next one is for internet of things which actually is really interesting because Uh before we had a fedora iot edition We had the fedora iot objective, you know, someone came along and was like We think fedora could be better for iot devices and as a back end platform for iot And I think it was in fedora 28 It looks like that was when we first tried out these new ideas and fedora 29 was the spin And then it was probably fedora 30. I think where we we officially had an iot edition But the objective was kind of where that That movement started happening, you know, like we slowly were we didn't just decide to launch an iot edition overnight But it was over the work over the span of basically two fedora releases That we kind of figured out what worked and what doesn't what before we have an edition that we want people to actually start downloading and using How do we do this in a way that actually meets people's needs? And so the objective is still ongoing I don't know what the future goals of the objective are in the context of the edition But that's one of the two focuses And of course you can also see there's also other lists of completed objectives and potential objectives So the only two objectives we have in fedora right now are fedora minimization and fedora internet of things I did just want to give a short highlight that they don't always have to be technical one of the Objectives that I tried to launch a while ago, but did not have enough time as a volunteer to do Was this university involvement initiative? Which was all about trying to get fedora in universities and colleges around the world So this is just you know, this is kind of it's in the back burner. It's an idea that's out there It's not currently being worked on But I just wanted to point that out that you know objectives don't have to be technical The ones we have right now are they are very technical oriented But they can also be community related. They don't have to be about tech But that's kind of my my wrap up of What I wanted to talk about with What what fedora does today, you know, I think you can really sum up what fedora is doing By looking at the additions and the objectives Um And the last thing I wanted to say about fedora or sorry go ahead So go ahead like I didn't say anything. So I was just asking that if we can open our videos now So There we go. Can you see me? So I guess the video shouldn't be an issue for now Uh, just an w4. Yeah Perfect So the only thing I wanted to add on there Um about the fedora project is you know, so what else makes fedora different from rel or sent to us and uh I think it's really comes down to the community, you know, you don't have a You know in sento s does have a community. There are people that volunteer on it But a lot of those folks are also paid to work on sento s Which doesn't mean it's not a community. It just means it's a little different context Fedora really does have a grassroots Volunteer community that you don't see in rel and sento s So in that way The community is really one of the things that makes fedora unique beyond just the tech Yeah, so I guess when I see fedora as whole so there are two aspects of it ones about Being technical and being the first and features and everything And the other part of fedora is all about friends and the community that we have around because I guess We have some good amount of headers here But most of the people I find are voluntarily working for the fedora project as a community uh They're just contributing to the open source projects and the first and I guess we have Here's then red hat ones You know and that is actually a perfect image Or go ahead. Sorry All right, sorry, basically go ahead. Go ahead. I don't want to say thing Well, I was just to say you mentioned the friends foundation Which I didn't really talk about before but it's really the last thing I wanted to talk about on this live Which brings us over to that fourth and final topic of how do you get involved with the fedora project? so Before I give some of the the details I'll share my screen here in a minute to kind of talk about the fedora community But I do want to just kind of riff on the the friends part of the foundation You know fedora is an international community with people all around the world People who work at red hat people who volunteer in their free time and You really see this I think at the fedora conferences like unfortunately fedora flock our annual contributor conference won't be in person this year But we'll still do it online I think that's really one of the places where you you really understand that you know we're all you know sometimes we sometimes we disagree on things about how things get done in fedora and sometimes We have you know, we are we are working on the project. We are working on linux, but we're also a group of people people who are Doing this because we like doing it, you know when we're we're friends while we do it and it's not just all about the work, but it's also about Who we enjoy working with and the people we collaborate with So that friends part I didn't talk about it a lot earlier, but it really is a really critical part Of the fedora community because you know like for someone like me I've been volunteering for five years, you know And there have been times where I have been so frustrated with something that happened or I just got upset Angry and I was like, uh, this is terrible. I'm like this is I was so I was got really frustrated but you know like once I kind of worked through that frustration Or that initial frustration and I realized, you know, it's it's still a community of people that I really enjoy working with It's a it's a great. I've made so many friends around the world and in the fedora project and You know not not everything, you know, it's not like I get frustrated all the time But when it does happen I I can take a step back and I remember why I'm really doing it and that friends foundation is one of the things that for me As a volunteer over the last five years. That's really what's kept me kept me going in the fedora project and made the the the highs the successes even Even better and has helped me get through just like anything in life. The lows helped me get through those two so I just wanted to kind of preface with that about getting involved with fedora because I I I don't want to understate the importance of that friends foundation Yeah, so how can a newcomer like anyone like I just completed I completed the google code in with fedora So that's how I came across this awesome Linux distribution But if someone's new and so how can he or she became a part of the project? Yes, excellent question So I'm going to move from the most detail Down to the least detail and I'll try I know we're a little bit over the hour. So I'll try to try to speed through this but This is the fedora org chart This is if you have to get a map of everything going on in fedora Here it is and like for me when I see this I'm like wow, this is really overwhelming And we have all these different things So the best way I can sum it up is kind of there's the four main branches is you have this mindshare Bit, which is really more of the non software types of contributions in fedora you have the ambassadors or the advocates Which is kind of the people who go out and talk about fedora like you've done with your release party in pakistan The fedora join sig which we will we will definitely talk about in a minute The documentation team the design team the marketing team the fedora magazine Comops and globalization all those fit under the mindshare branch of fedora Then on the left you see we have the fedora engineering steering committee or fesco, which is kind of the leading decision body for all the technical all the software Contributions in fedora, which includes things like the working groups for the fedora additions You have the fedora workstation fedora coro s fedora server You also have your traditional packaging work. That's also involved in there different architectures for fedora testing quality assurance release engineering a bunch of other sigs with things like se linux and containers and the games sig The font sig the amateur radio sig all these different things. So Those all kind of fit on that left side And then we have these two smaller branches which are smaller but are still very important Which are the objectives which I already talked about and then also the diversity and inclusion team Which kind of helps add that perspective to the fedora council the kind of the center You know fedora council is at the center of this org chart because it's kind of the the highest level of decision making in fedora And so the diversity and inclusion team kind of fits in there to kind of add this additional perspective to the fedora council so this is a really cool chart because you can kind of Visualize the fedora community, but if you want to get involved, it's not very helpful. It just tells you what's there So this is where I want to bridge to This site, which is the what can I do for fedora dot org? site So this is a handy little website that you can click through It tells you all these different kinds of things you can do in fedora And let's say you want to get involved with Uh, let's say where was it packaging? Packaging say you want to add a software package do fedora You can you can click through here and you can get links to the documentation about how to How to join fedora package how to submit a fedora package to the distribution Or say you don't want to do packaging, but you want to do let's say design Say you want to do design work You can get involved with the design team You can get involved with the websites team that you want to do design. Whoops There's general you can just do design contributions and hang out with the fedora design team There's also specific kinds of tasks like the fedora badges project So there's all these different details you can dig into all these different things On the what can I do for fedora org site? And that's a great way to kind of learn where you know all these links when you click yes It will take you usually to the get involved documentation how how to start on these projects and that's cool and that's great, but You know, it's not a place to ask questions and I actually want to put You on the spot to Talk a little bit about the fedora join sig since you are doing so much awesome stuff with the join sig Do you want to chat about that for a little bit? Yeah, I would love to basically that's where when I joined the fedora after google code in So I saw our mentors introducing newcomers to here. So The join sig what we do is to help and facilitate newcomers to get introduced to fedora and we keep track of them Like what they are doing where we can guide them where they where do they need any help because The people that we have in the sig we have like they are mostly on fedora for five and six years like uncor the dark ripple and some other people so basically we want We just guide new people to become a to become fedora contributors So we have our own that's our I guess mission statement and we have pretty much structured the process that if you would like to join the If you are a newcomer to fedora, then we have We open up bigger Task, sorry Pager issue for you to keep track of your progress what you are working on And if you need any help if you need a mentor or anything so you can we have our own mailing list IRC on matrix discord and telegram as well And people as well because in fedora, there is a lot of things that you can only do once you have that What do you say a cl a plus one? But once you get introduced to the fedora by fedora join sig so we even provide the temporary membership so You can perform the tasks that require you to work on That so if you would go to the organization, this is not where we manage that welcome to fedora so The organization itself and I guess here we could find that. Yeah So on this Is it loading? Yeah so As you can see we have like all of these people getting introduced some are of qa some are of science someone wants to someone wants to work on application development packaging we have some short video There's a video on free software mission and objectives and So we pretty much try to keep track of what people are working on and if there's any way we can help them in Working with fedora so recently became a part of so Hmm great place to get a ship and to have actual people. Yeah help you Yeah, so like this pretty it's a really good place to be in because if you don't know anything, uh, don't know much about fedora so Uh people here can help you get introduced to it and we have some really great designs by the design team like The baby badge Let's contribute to the fedora project and we have all of these like i'm translator web development People's person. So it's a pretty good place to be in if you are a new contributor to fedora So just in what do you think about fedora join us? So I think you I think you did a perfect job of describing it I just really I really want to emphasize to just you know it You know the two tools I mentioned that org chart and what can I do for fedora kind of help show you What you can do But if you ever want to talk to actual humans actual people The fedora join sig is a great place to ask those questions There's no such thing as dumb questions And you can get mentorship get some folks to help guide you along And I think that's what the join sig does an excellent job of doing so Awesome shout out to all the hard work that y'all have been doing with the join sig. It's really awesome to see Thank you very much Justin. So I guess it was So I guess we have covered our four points and we have pretty hour and four minutes So let's just see Add anything else Justin Nope that was the last little bit I wanted to cover So do we have any questions? I can't see the comments in the live stream That's what do folks have any questions or questions we can answer things we can answer So for questions, I would like to just turn off my video for a sec I'm back. Basically. I just want to get my mobile phone from my brother So let's just see if we have any questions there. So he was playing a game on it Uh Pakistan So let's just see So I guess we are open for questions. So if anybody have any questions, so you can ask on the comment section Uh So Justin what's happening is that while I'm watching the stream, I guess it's a little slower so Uh For people watching it sound like there's a two minute gap between the facebook live and the things we are talking about Oh, no I didn't know about that either so When I'm seeing it from my laptop where I have that live producer by facebook going on It says that we are on one one hour and six months, but Uh When I see the same thing on my mobile phone, I can see it's on one hour and three minutes So there's around two minutes of difference. So When it's we are still talking about the join sig there Learning experience with these new uh virtual tools for all of us oops Hopefully it's not I was trying to avoid jitsi to do the same thing like to share my screen Because whenever I would have to see any comments, I would have to go to the facebook live producer page And I was trying to use the blue jeans integration, but it broke at the last moment as well I don't know what we are talking about Yeah, so I'm just seeing what we are talking about in the facebook