 George Bruno with a 21 report. We are at the 21 summit in Orlando, Florida Year is 2020 and I'm talking to mr. Terrence pop welcome Yeah, how'd it go in there? You just came off stage. Yeah, it went pretty good. I'm pretty good I went I think I talked like 50 minutes 45 50 minutes, and then we had like a 10-minute Q&A Excellent. What did you talk about today? Well, you know again? I was just talking about Basically, it is almost exactly the same briefing I would give male soldiers when they would in process process into my unit Try to warn them about all the craziness that takes place and how it can ruin their life in an instant Scary stuff. Yeah. Yeah as men enter into the world. It is kind of a war, isn't it so to speak well the thing is this like These guys would show up there a 18. Yeah, and no idea What lies before them and how dangerous it can be and You know as the first sergeant or platoon sergeant, you know, it was my job to make sure that that didn't happen. Yeah So it was almost identical. There's a few things. I threw in there a couple jokes some swear words that You know, I can't really stop doing that. It's hard trying to get around it Using the military code. I used to used to talk around So when they like you can't say the f-word, I'm like, well, okay, then it would be you become Peg D. The Slot B Yeah, I'm like, why are you giving me the Peg D. The Slot B? We all know what that means. I'm just not saying the big f-bomb. Yeah So they really can't get upset and if they do it there's nothing they can do about it. So I don't care You have a YouTube channel. It's very popular and you speak to a lot of men, correct and Who is your is there such thing as like your typical subscriber who I Really wouldn't know what the actual demographic is I Looked on YouTube and it's a lot of it's like 26 to 35 is a majority of them. Okay, and what does the average man? 25 26 35 ish, what are they dealing with the most these days? They're in the zone to get married That I mean that is you get about 24 25 Yeah, you're in the zone. Yeah, and a lot of these guys probably are like whoa This is getting real. Yeah, I better educate myself. Yeah, and I try to do using comedy. Yeah because You know if you're laughing about it I'm actually in your brain pan Flipping switch and you're thinking me and you don't even know it right So when what what's the biggest thing a man has to worry about or be concerned about or be aware of Before he gets married or when he finally says I think I want to be married He needs to know this the stats of how Easy it is for the wife for him to get a divorce Usually the first ones are 50 50 You have a 50% chance of divorce second one second marriage 63 third marriage is 73 to 74 percent chance of divorce With 80% of those divorces filed by the woman Now if you were facing those odds and you were gambling say a hundred thousand dollars, would you do that? Yeah hell no, I Wouldn't I heard some people talk about if you were going skydiving and the instructor said this Parachute that I'm putting on you has a 50% chance of opening and heard people say that take the plunge No, no, I wouldn't right, but the thing is is a lot of these men don't seem to realize that the actual pain and Misery that lies before them if it should fail A lot of them like I just want to have kids. I look I wanted to have kids do but the Emotional toll the financial toll and the spiritual toll of what happened to me. I Would not wish on anyone else It was bad. I see a lot of Phrases from the financial world being used in The men's community risk and reward ROI return on investment. Yes, and then the more Casual things like the juice isn't worth the squeeze that kind of thing. Let's let's go back to the financial ones risk and reward Explain how that relates to well the term I use is if it doesn't make dollars. It doesn't make sense all right if you are if you get with a woman and and She just stays home as a pain in your ass Oh, it's really just a money pit And it's probably not going to go anywhere good Because all of the laws of the land favor the woman so basically women are dealing with 21st century laws and men are dealing with laws from 1800s and the early 1900s That's like going to war against a modern army with civil war equipment. Good luck with that I've never heard it described like that, but you the dots just connected in my head when you said that That's just the way it is. That's how I think though. I mean the time of the army. I think in tactical terms What it what are the characteristics of a? Relationship that actually does make it. Oh well Well, since I have yet to actually Have that happen to me. I I'm really not the guy to answer that I can tell you the stuff that will not make it work and Maybe they could you know skirt the edges of the jet objective to figure it out Yeah Like one of the big ones I came up with and this is a comedic term is the dick stacking test Because after a certain amount of women just can't pair bond anymore, right? All right so you try to get an actual body count of you know her past and If you once you get that number you multiply by six divide by 12 and in your head you put a platform at that altitude And push her off If she's so much as is getting gets a skin knee That's too many cocks Okay, then they you realize that that you know it is a casual thing You know or you just it's never taken to the next level because To do so was to basically sign your own destruction. Yeah, you said you basically sign your name on the list to destroy your life Yeah I've seen some people say never reveal what your notch count is but know what Their notch count is do you agree with that? Well, yes and no men can actually And this it's not a double standard. It's just the way it works men can have a greater notch count would still provide and you know You know and they'll be a productive portion of that relationship We've done there other hand just don't I mean, I don't even I there's studies out there You just got a Google and we're searching one being or brave browser and I think the number is like four or six That after that the the chances of a successful marriage go into the single digits. Yeah, I had heard it was around Now listen, I personally don't care. I mean I I'm cool with that I just am not cool with them getting mad because they're not being taken to the next level, right? I'm making a hang out with me. We'll go on a boat, you know, I can travel with them and stuff But they're not moving into my house, and I'm never getting married That's the way it is some of the guys would would teach that The woman needs to know that right from the get we're not getting married. You're not moving in So let's proceed How do women object to that? Yes? Yes, they do Even though 80% of divorces are filed by women. They're still instinctively driven for that protection and security Even though when they finally get the protection and security, they don't want it. They want to move on to the next one. Yeah It's it's crazy the way that women are being programmed today Do you think notch count for men is different than notch count for women? Like for instance, if a guy was with 30 women Is and and a woman was with 30 guys in her past Do you think it affects the woman more than it affects the man? Yes? I Believe so too. I think like the door does not swing in both directions No, and when you hear feminists, you're like, well, it's not fair. It's a double standard. I'm like listen it just Goes back to our biological programming. That's just how it is men are designed Instinctively to do that kind of breeding strategy if the other one doesn't work. I Don't agree with it. You know, I mean I I my children I had them on purpose I was ready and that's the way it worked out. I mean having children willy-nilly is not good Do you think we went from sex for breeding to sex for Recreation was our point in in the timeline in history where like I Mean sex has always been fun, obviously But with the online dating apps swiping left and right culture. I don't think those women are on there Looking for a father for their children. I would have to agree with you What are they looking for? I Well, first of all, I I mean I I've done the online dating But I don't partake in this the swipe right or left thing. Yeah, I just don't want to get because just Kind of nasty. Yeah. Yeah, it reminds me it was old sci-fi movie Logan's Run. Yes That's exactly like he like just scans through a bunch of women and yeah, you know One comes to his apartment. Yeah, and then that's it. I mean Granted I guess it's it could be fun for a little while, but I don't know. It's just not my thing Sci-fi in my mind has always been kind of prophetic. I look at some of the old sci-fi things And I think my god, but they were predicting the future. Yes, they were 1984 Just amazing. Yeah, and the thing is a lot of that stuff from 1984 a Lot of those ideas came from the kind of communism manifesto. Yeah, which is being Regurgitated and reworded for the BLM and Tifa and all the craziness that's going on today in 2020 And most people don't realize 1984 was written by Orwell and what 48 or 49? Ah, yeah, right after like right after World War two and I'm thinking holy cow How did he predict what's going on now? Well because he basically looked at the communist manifesto and That is actual a product of of other Movements that took place in France. It's been evolving. So apparently That happens it leaps frogs through time and we are now in the current iteration of the next leap Here in the United States. I've only heard the phrase Orwellian probably only like in the past 10 years Because it seems like it's all true. Yes It's spooky It's it's like he was an astrodomist or something when I've watched 1984 and I watch it every so often Two or three times a year. I have to stop and pause and go How did he know this? It's interesting it is it is it's mind-boggling Did you ever see the movie ex machina the guy that Creates these Android women and they're with interchangeable faces and they can have I guess kind of like These dolls yeah like that except they're like robotic and they have all right personalities and whatever the whole sex doll thing All right now listen I'm not gonna knock anyone if they want to do that. Yeah, I myself No, yeah number one. I it's just kind of creepy to You know, I just Can you imagine a man taking a life-size Doll it looks like a real woman out of the trunk of his car. Yeah sling it over his shoulder Carrying it into his house. You're gonna have somebody call a SWAT team on you Yeah, right and then when they kick down your door and they see what's going on that then you're like, oh man This guy's a good turbo creep, right? Yeah, I I Know there's guys that like Sit it up at the kitchen table and they're like all right going to work See you later, honey, and then when they walk in the door at 5 30 like hi, honey That was your day and I'm like that is yeah, that's not no. Yeah No, I'm cool with solitude. Yeah I mean I'm known for solitude. I love I've known for going camping by myself. Yes hiking by myself love it. Yeah I mean, it's not for everyone, but I I mean, I was only married for six and a half years the rest of the time I've been a single dude. I just roll a custom to do you think someone has to be Happy and content as a single guy before they can be happy and content as a married guy It sure helps. Mm-hmm. It really does Because a lot of times men will stay in bad relationships. They fear Single alone and isolated. Mm-hmm. If you don't have that fear going into it Then that really takes away the hammer over your head that she that's like taking a tool out of her box to Influence and scare you. Yeah, but you're gonna die alone. All right Okay, that's modeling. We all die alone. I have never seen it a side saddle coffin. Yeah, right The movie Jerry Maguire really Jacked up a lot of guys. I'll never forget that one scene, you know, that you complete me you know and you complete me he said or she said in sign language, whatever and That got a lot of guys thinking that they need a woman. She's the missing piece Does a woman complete a man? No No, they compliment, but they don't complete. Yeah, it's different It's like though like women are like well men and women are equal No, you're not You're equally valued but in regards to How you're built and how your minds work You're not you're not equal. I mean like We have a analogy we use like barbecue if I'm gonna have a barbecue, right? And I'm like I'm bringing ribs and chicken You just bring the other sides. She shows up with ribs and chicken They're gonna do eat nothing but ribs and chicken It doesn't work It just brings something else to the table You know, maybe you're good at making Fruit salad regular salad and you you make a mean roll do that and bring it to the barbecue. Yeah, and then it'd be great There you go. I used to have parties and I would say guys bring something to drink and guys would bring cases of beer soda water bottles of wine and women bring something to eat and some women would just bring Chips and salsa chips and dip and then some of the women would make the you know the seven layer Mexican I love those and all of those and I'm like and they really got into it and I'm like I don't know a guy that would do that. No, so it was it worked guys bring something to drink women bring something to eat and it just And they loved it. Yeah, I'm gonna always come in with with their dishes and whatever Is your does your message change from the 25 year old guy to the 45 year old guy to the 55 year old guy? Well, I you know if you go through my video category I Do videos on all kinds of subjects a lot of them for the younger guys All the way up to the guys who are 50 You know like the guys who are you know, oh middle-aged and beyond Just like to your thing man. You don't be afraid Don't quit just because you're old doesn't mean you have a fight. You just have to fight different. Yeah That's what I'm doing. I can't physically fight anymore. I'm old But I shoot up my mouth instead of shooting off guns. Yeah, I can get I can get I can influence a lot more people by doing that You just got to change it up. I have found in the dating world. I'm single. I'm 60 years old Some people asked me, you know, what is it like dating at 60? And I said it's the same as dating at 25 except they have gray hair Like really nothing has changed. They just look older The female nature thing is pretty consistent throughout their decades Yeah, not for not so much for men Usually if as a man ages if he's been seasoned properly Right around 25 to 35 he'll make that that adjustment to like, you know, I am a citizen of this world and I will participate the younger dudes like I don't play video games go to college Maybe I'll get some tail here there. They're not really, you know, the only time that you see that The younger guys, you know at thinking and acting as older guys as guys in the military Because they force you let's go back to the concept of solitude. Okay I find that when I talk about it on my channel that a lot of people respond and sometimes they email me privately because they don't want to Make it public. They don't want to like expose their their word salad. Yeah, so What is what are the benefits of solitude for a man? Tranquility and peace I Mean I do a lot of my best thinking when I'm by myself. Yeah, I mean I'm I literally And my third fiction novel And most of the time I write that between 10 at night and like 3 in the morning. I may or may not be drunk You know, and I don't have a lot of distractions And my money's my money My time is my time. I do whatever the hell I want whenever the hell I want to do it. I have to explain to anyone why and And that adds more to the tranquility and peace It's not a bad thing. It's really not. Yeah, some people think that being alone is a bad thing. You're aware though Yeah, yeah, yeah a loner. That's the problem. Well loner. I mean in the 80s and 70s a loner was a bad thing Antisocial. Yeah, you know in the 90s loner was just a guy just did his own thing Yeah, that's not doesn't really have the negative connotations today as it once did. Yeah Do you go to public events parties or gatherings? ceremonies different things and then you look you desire to have a Girl accompany you like and can you pick up the phone and say hey? I got a party. I have to go to and I really don't have anybody in my life like that. Mm-hmm I mean I It's just not important anymore. Mm-hmm number one. It's not really a top priority anymore number two There are a lot of negative downsides that are a risk versus reward number three You know the time to involve something like that kind of Not really worth it. Yeah, this is my opinion. Yeah, some minute. Everyone's different. Yeah, that's cool. I respect that. Yeah What's the biggest challenge that men have to face today? What do you think? Ah The biggest challenge men have to face today is Dealing with the legal connotations marriage and the fallout from marriage Like I said that the the laws of the 21st century versus the laws of the 1860s to 19 1930s Yeah The imagery of the using civil war Weaponry versus modern weaponry. Yeah, you're done Maybe you'll have a you can inflict a few casualties, but at the end of the day you're gonna eat your lunch. Yeah, you're done How does a man vet a woman? Oh? Well, let's see number one men are all Looks is number one. Mm-hmm. Okay Looks or is what gets you in the door? What keeps you in the game is being cool Holding your you know being self-sufficient to a certain degree and You know loyalty and not being a backstabber I Members of my own family like my sister's Stab me huge in the back a couple years back And that was it. I'm like, you know what? This is actually I guess this is a part of women's nature and There's really not a lot of room left for any more knives. We do my own thing. Yeah Yeah It's regretful to get to that point But you have to do it for your own sanity safety and just mental health. I think sometimes yes Yes, I mean you really don't want to be somebody's emotional punching bag. Yeah, it's just not good You know my advice is any dude out there who's in a relationship like that Pull the ripcord and get the hell out. Yeah I've been using that That phrase recently pulling the ripcord. Yeah, that really does It really it's always interesting when I see like these Skydiving programs and there's a cameraman You know and he's floating down on his parachute and the other person is Falling and then soon as he pulls that He's out of there. Yeah He's out of there. Yeah, that's free falling. Yeah, and The the ripcord analogy is so perfect when it comes to that when it comes to Being in relationships and deciding that this isn't for you anymore. Correct. How does a man pull a ripcord in a relationship? Well, it depends if you've been, you know in a relationship for a while You just stand up tell them to their face. This isn't working. I'm out If you think it's gonna go south and there's gonna be some shenanigans and ghost Yeah, and you just basically close up the sub run silent run deep. Yeah, stay away from the death charges Yeah And just ride out the storm. Yeah Do you have any female subscribers? Well, I know I have like 15 that always Downvote everything I do No matter what no matter what and you know, it's all right. I think it's kind of funny There are a few out there who but they're watching you. Yeah That means they got to be watching you in order to downvote you every time Yeah, I know there are some out there that actually like my content. That's cool. I don't have a problem with that Mm-hmm. I don't limit my content strictly to women anyone can watch it. Yeah You know, and I'm I would advise women watch it to figure out, you know, just What has become of the modern dating market at the hands of feminism? And they want why would a man not like your content? I can see why a man would like it He's gonna get a lot of tools for his toolbox. What objections have you gotten from men like when guys disagree with you? What do they disagree about? Well, let's see. I've had some guys leave negative comments because they don't like the fact that I'm a Republican and I voted for Trump And the only reason I voted for Trump is I want him I wanted him to go against China, which he's doing Everything else doesn't I don't give a shit about it at all You know, I get a lot of white knights on there Get mad at me for telling the truth. Yeah, that's women nature When I did the why we need bullies episode, I got hundreds hundreds just nasty comments and probably 50 60 emails somebody actually made a response video in regards to that which I found hilarious You know, and I actually sent the guy Private message like that's a pretty good video Joined it. Thank you, but it's not that bad You know because when you think about it When you're in grade school Everyone has to face. Well, they say used to everyone used to have to face a bully Mm-hmm, and if you did it early the worst consequences was maybe a fat lip sent home from school Mm-hmm, and the longer that goes on the worse it is. Yeah, and They've taken those lessons out of school. I got a lot of hate now for that one That was insane, but I would do it again. I don't care. Yeah Many years ago was that my son I was invited to a play that my son was in elementary school When I was in school the school plays were like South Pacific Rogers and Hammerstein. Yeah, I mean just classic stage plays that were Fun, this was an anti-bullying play and it was nothing but political correctness for an hour and a half And I just was scratching my head And that really bothered me that this was part of this education Yeah, it's a great sponsored education. It's state-sponsored brainwashing. Yeah That's exactly what it is. I used to do propaganda for the Army Mm-hmm. I know it when I see it and it's all over the mainstream media now If you say it enough it becomes normal. Yes, it's it and the thing is is I've lost a lot of my Liberal friends because they buy this stuff hook-line and sinker. Yeah, and then maybe you tell them Hey, you're being weak-minded. This is propaganda to get offended. They get upset and Then usually they unfriend me on Facebook. Yeah, that's out of care I've I'm a student of the truth in reality and I walk around the world I see the truth before me When I watch it on TV if somebody's saying something that contradicts what I see in the real world I don't believe it. Yeah, I used to go every year to a father-and-son breakfast with the same son I got two sons To his school It was cool and then what it was literally year after year the father-and-son annual breakfast and then it was Father like father figure and son breakfast and I thought Why'd they change the name and It was some women were accompanying their sons women with very short hair. Yes, and I'm like, okay, so that's This boy's father figure and I always thought okay now. They're changing the definition of father. Yes Well, they're trying sure trying And that was weird. Well, I made a joke about that. Okay, okay First of all you and I know men really are not students Punctuation for the most part the comma in my opinion is just a suggestion and It's open to interpretation where you put it when you write well Father is spelled f a t h e r put a comma between the t and h it becomes fat her day and And a man will read it father's day, so you kill two birds with one stone. That's a good one I'm gonna have to steal that. It's totally true. I like that But you know if you want to do it with father day does that a father's day? Does that a comma? Yeah It's fat her day, and it is what it is I bought a dictionary From the dictionary's copyright date was 1871. Yeah, and I love this thing Because think about how different the world is in 1871 And you just look up the simplest things marriage Father mother and you get like the real definitions. Yes compare it just like get ten words just Just ten words like that and then look them up in a modern dictionary It's like they're talking about two different things So and talk about confusion Unreal. Yeah, that's that's another thing I do on my channel. So I try to boil it all down to the basics Yeah You know that's how I communicate With all my soldiers for decades. Yeah, I boil everything down to a tenth grade education I speak to him at that level and Everything's true You don't want to get caught lying to people. Yeah, I try not to do that. I'm not terrible liar anyway Never been good at it So I think the new the new dictionary is basically just a lie. Yeah Propaganda the changing definitions to fit a narrative instead of the real world. Yeah, I mean, how else you get 125 genders? Yeah, I'm counting. Yeah, how do those generous genders interact? I Mean what what I don't get it That's just me though. What do I know? Yeah, exactly I Always say the truth is offensive before it's effective and there's a lot of people Getting deep platformed in the Middle Ages. They would pull the tongues out of people now They just ban you deep platform you and yeah, my my show has been shadow banned for years. Is that right? Oh, yeah You feel like you should have more followers if it was just Out there without some weird Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean my program is really good I Have a very good producer. He puts everything together. Well, I'm just the crazy guy who comes up with the ideas We film it he figures it out puts it together It's only spot-on top tier stuff. Is it independent of the YouTube platform. Do you have it at a? Like your own platform or we're working on trying to set up our own platform But we have moved older moved over to Bryde on bit shoot Ming Tao TV library a D-Tube Six or seven other ones nice Just in case you get shut down on one you can rely on the others. Yeah. Yeah, excellent Excellent. What is the goal of your social media? my oh, what do you mean like your your Your YouTube channel and all your videos. What what is is there my ultimate goal is to keep me from killing themselves. I Mean, this is killing dudes and no one's talking about it. Yeah It is an insane rash of dudes Smoking themselves for a non political correct term But no nobody's doing anything about it. Nobody's talking about it I will say this you are an important voice not just in the men's community, but an important voice in the world It's a worthy goal truly is like when you said that You you defined Your mission in one sentence and that was that's amazing. Well, thank you. Absolutely. Where can people find out more about you? Well, if you go to YouTube and search for redonklist.com you'll find my channel if you go on any Any search bar look for redonklist.com you find me will so I also run second-class citizen org and our Mission is basically to educate the youth of today in regards to divorce The family courts and male suicide Thank you for your work. It's super important Terrence pop. All right. Thank you