 What's up everyone welcome into the Sunday night recap presented by fan duel. I'm your host Simon joint as always by my beautiful co-host Jay John Luke and Josh. Yes. What up. Feel good. This Sunday's games. I feel like we're kind of living in like a backwards football world there's still some stuff going on that I don't quite understand. We're going to walk through all of that today guys. Before we do that though I want to remind everyone watching if you have not done so already it was on the loading screen right here. If you're watching this that means you are already on the fan duel YouTube or Twitch channels. If you're on YouTube hit that subscribe button and if you are on Twitch hit that follow button. 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The word I forgot existed was preview the sequel that is the word I was looking for but I figured it out or recap the Sunday night football recap pre recap we are fortune tellers over here but tonight guys we have the Kansas City chiefs versus the Los Vegas Raiders playing each other the Raiders over the past couple seasons have played spoiler to the chiefs quite a bit during their successful runs but this is not the Kansas City chiefs we've seen the past couple seasons they're not looking like they are the number one question I had going into this game and Jay will start with you do you think this is a Patrick Mahomes bounce back game I say bounce back he's been killing it for fantasy but from an NFL perspective do you think he gets the interceptions under control leads this chiefs team well this week. I think it's going to be more of the same that we've seen I think it's going to be a high scoring game but I think it's going to be ugly game you know especially going up against the divisional opponent those games seem to seem to always be tough. I think this could be a lot of points I'm hoping at least I just trade for Travis Kelsey in one league so I'd like to see him get some work done but you know with the offensive line look the way it has he said to dink and dunk a lot you know it's basically the entire offense has been Travis Kelsey and Tyree Kill so I do think he's going to have a solid game but I think it's going to be ugly. Josh what about you do you think Patrick Mahomes bounce back or are you more in line with Jay. I'm close to Jay but yeah I expect Patrick Mahomes to have a great game that's just what I've come to expect over the course of his career I know there's some things that are just not right with the chiefs right now but they have the weapons to do it Travis Kelsey Tyree kill I expect a very good game of Patrick Mahomes still. Yeah, I'm more of the same if you look at his full season he's been pretty good I know the last three games have been wildly disappointing for Patrick Mahomes managers but the season as a whole he's still a top five top six fantasy quarterback and I'm going to treat him as such Jayle do you do you feel the same as these two guys. Yeah yeah I think we'll finish I think we'll finish top five on the week and hopefully we see him back track I feel like I said that last week so you know maybe maybe I'm wrong again but I still believe in Patrick Mahomes. I think a lot of the a lot of the talk with Patrick Mahomes to is those crazy plays that he's trying to make aren't working and they're not you know they're struggling they're five and four so fantasy wise he's been fine but just those amazing Patrick Mahomes plays are turning into the interceptions instead of touch and I don't want to make excuses for him but some of that stuff isn't as far I've never seen more interceptions that have bounced off of receivers hands. There's had to be at least five of those so far this season so I want to make excuses for the guy but I do expect a bounce back eventually it's got why not this game. The inverse Josh Allen from last season like I had never seen more interceptions dropped them from Josh Allen last season and this year I've never seen more interceptions caused by a receiver than I have for Patrick Mahomes. We got Jordan in here what's up Jordan he said when will football become easy to project again. Never what's it ever. Next year maybe soon. Maria said ready to recap. We got you Maria we are so ready over here and Jay wants an assignment Josh who's going to win between you two we're actually facing off in two different leagues this year. And Jay while in the league you're talking about Josh absolutely should be. I absolutely should but I don't think I will at this point. I think I'm going to go to one of the best teams in the league there because fantasy football is wild guys before we move on to our recap for today all the games that have already happened. I wanted to get some score predictions for the Kansas City Chiefs Las Vegas Raiders game for the nights of jail. Give me your score prediction for this game. The Raiders are five and three ahead of time for. All right let me look up the lines real quick. Well then Josh we'll come to you. I'm ready to go. I got I got a score ready to go. I think the Chiefs are going to win this game 28 to 24. 28 24 Chiefs from Josh Jay what do you go on this one. Going 33 31 Raiders. I thought I was going to be the only one taking the Raiders. I'm going to go 35 27 Raiders. I'm calling. I think Kenyan Drake has a big game. Oh I hope so. Jail we've got two Raiders and one Chiefs so far where are you going. I thought I was going to be the only one that goes Raiders. I'm going 31 31 27. No 28 sorry. 31 28 Raiders. So you know what I'm switching to now that you guys did that. I'm changing my my prediction. It's Chiefs 31 Raiders 28. I'm with you Josh. I'm with you Josh. Jail just knows where the vibes are. We're going to change to the cheat knobs. Jail knows where the vibes are. Yeah every time Josh and I team up against you two we win. Yeah you know what that's not untrue. That's been the case. But just wait for the listener league. You guys are going down. If you even. We won't even play each other. Jay Wall and you said I'm living for the upset Simon me too. I hope it happens. We've had a long term bet. Is Aaron Jones have a serious knee injury. Jay Wall coming in with a little bit more information a sprained MCL. We'll talk a little bit more about that during the Packers recap. But yeah it doesn't look good over there. And then and stuck up. What's up gentlemen and Simon. That's fair. What up Anthony. How's it going Anthony. I'm upset but I don't disagree with your judgments there. Guys we're going to move into our first game of the day that we are recapping the Atlanta Falcons versus the Dallas Cowboys and the Dallas Cowboys did all right today. You know they bounce back after going down big against the Broncos and put together a decent performance today winning against the Falcons 43 to three. 43 to three. I mean I think a lot of people saw this game being a lot closer than it actually was but the Cowboys did bounce back. They destroyed and the Falcons frankly just did not show up Matt Ryan at a horrific game completing only nine passes on 21 attempts for 117 yards and two interceptions. He ended up getting benched like a lot of the Falcons starters at the end of the game. So what did we take away from this game right Kyle Pitts. He's still a tight end that I think you have to play every week. He's a top six tight end locked and loaded outside of that it's Cordell Patterson. I think we were expecting double digit fantasy points from Cordell Patterson every week and this is the first week we really haven't seen it and you only had four carries for 25 yards only one catch by far as the worst game of the season so far. Guys Wayne Gaulman also had 15 carries for 55 yards while Mike Davis only had five. My question for you guys is are you nervous about Cordell Patterson now that we're seeing Wayne Gaulman get 15 carries in this game. He was getting this early Simon let me come to you here. Are you nervous for Cordell Patterson. Early in the or in the off season I thought there was a very real chance Wayne Gaulman would take over this backfield because he seemed like the best runner on this team not receiving back but just the best pure running back on this roster and you know what they use them that way this week I'm not buying into the fact that they are switching the guard Wayne Gaulman's the primary ball carrier and honestly I'm not too concerned about Cordell Patterson rest of season like there's the normal nerves you have with a player who kind of breaks out out of nowhere are we expecting this continue are we not but he's going to be more involved in the receiving game that the Falcons went down big had no shot at winning this game like you said a bunch of their starters got benched. If I had to say are the rest of Cordell Patterson's games going to be more like we've seen the previous nine weeks or this week going forward I think it's gonna be more like the previous nine weeks he'll be more involved in the receiving game and he's never been the kind of back to like all of his points were made off of the the ground game right because he's a legit wide receiver and a legit running back so even if Wayne Gaulman takes over 15 carries a game Patterson's going to be fine. Yeah I like what you said there how about you Jay are you nervous do you think Wayne Gaulman is could be a fantasy play going forward do you have any interest in picking up Wayne Gaulman possibly. Honestly no the only players that I want to play until Calvin Ridley comes back the only Falcons that I want to play are Kyle Pitts and Cordell Patterson and I'm not necessarily nervous about Cordell Patterson but people who thought that he was a running back one a wide receiver one yeah that that's out the window because you're going to have these these low four games like this I think he's still a rock solid you know high end RB two a middle of the road wide receiver two that will still have big games because like Simon said his production doesn't come from rushing the ball it comes from catching the ball and that's going to continue defense is very good there's still going to be in a lot of negative game scripts this one just got out of hand too quick for them to even bother trying to compete so long term I think for fantasy he'll be fine and the best thing about Cordell Patterson especially read draft leagues he was free so it's not like you had to give up a lot to get him he was he was a $1 scratch off that was a $1,000 winner so you know it's not like you had to invest a lot to get him I think you keep him you hang on to him he's going to put up solid games but he's somebody that you know if people there was definitely some people that were thinking that he was going to put up running back one numbers and that's not going to be the case absolutely and I think that's the big thing here is that we're still starting this guy right I think that's the general consensus that we're still starting Cordell Patterson every week we still expect really good things going forward but he doesn't have quite the floor we expected do you agree Jail you you're starting we're still starting I do believe in Wayne Goleman's talent I think you know watched him all through college I believe that he deserves like more opportunities than he's been given in the NFL but and I do see him impacting Cordell Patterson possibly going forward for the rest of the season but I don't think that this is like you know now Cordell Patterson is no longer as relevant I think that he'll likely have the same type of production that we've been seeing and also projecting going forward I mean to to bring up a player that we talked about already a little bit I know it was because of injury but AJ Dillon getting more carries hasn't scared me off of Aaron Jones know what I mean like I know they're very different backs but there can be room in some of these offenses for for multiple backs find success especially if they're used in different ways Wayne Goleman and Cordell Patterson are very very different styles of running back so I agree great parallel there Simon yeah completely agree going to push out Mike Davis more right like this is more of like he's going to be exactly what I was just about to say if anybody I said it last week I'm going to say it until his roster ship percentage is zero if you have Mike Davis just drop them it's it's over also a great reminder from Fandall in here if you guys have any fantasy questions for us we love answering questions we'll be here for the next about an hour a little bit more recapping the games but if you've got questions for us we will answer them in the chat also we got Annie in here saying hello to everyone minus JL of course thanks Annie that's cool JL you get no hello's and Maria was very impressed with the points the Cowboys defense got her this week Cowboys defense right there by the way the Panthers just beat the Cardinals yeah well yeah it wasn't really surprised if you're watching any part of the game but going into the game if you haven't been paying attention to anything all day 3410 so it's it's officially wrapped up now hey we got a question here in the chat the lock-in saying should I trade AJ Brown for Terry McLaurin and Michael Carter so should I trade AJ Brown for Terry McLaurin and Michael Carter the values there right for me personally I think that Michael Carter he's a he's a back-end running back to if it's a PPR league I like Michael Carter a lot more obviously but we we haven't seen Michael Carter with Zach Wilson which I do expect going forward so how far away is Terry McLaurin from AJ Brown J what do you what do you think AJ Brown for me is a top 10 guy Terry McLaurin if he had Ryan Fitzpatrick in there chucking the ball I'd be a lot more comfortable and you know McLaurin's had some good games but it's been very inconsistent because Taylor Heineke hasn't you know he had a couple of decent games but I'd say Terry is more of a middle you know high-end wide receiver to middle of the road wide receiver to where I see even with the down game AJ Brown is a top 10 wide receiver for me I think it's fair if you're in desperate need of a running back I think it's a it's a solid move if you don't necessarily need a running back I would stick with AJ Brown because to me he's the best player in the deal for me personally yeah again it comes down if you're desperate for a running back if you need a running back I'm fine with this trade I would do this trade and I love AJ Brown yeah I think it's a fair enough trade AJ Brown is Terry McLaurin has scored more points in the season I think he's played one more game than AJ Brown if I'm not mistaken I think AJ Brown was out of game earlier in the season but consistency wise they didn't pretty similar so I would rather have Michael Carter how about you Simon you have any input here I think I'm a little bit higher on Michael Carter than the rest of you guys rest of the season so I would definitely take Terry and Michael Carter side I think Terry and AJ Brown are close enough for me to grab a very startable running back out of the deal and RB2 rest of the season in my eyes that's not nothing an RB2 so it sounds like as a unit we're a little bit more on the Terry and Michael Carter side I'm sorry Jay I know you're a little bit more on the AJ Brown side but it was fair enough right yeah it was definitely I could completely see accepting the deal no question yeah okay perfect so I look we're a move one from the Falcon side of the ball the Cowboys side of the ball however was a little bit more exciting right Dak Prescott he had a great game Ezekia Elliott and Tony Pollard both had great games CD Lamb a Mari Cooper's game was a little disappointing but he held in there four catches for 51 yards really what I want to bring up here is Dalton Schultz only getting one catch for 14 yards we were nervous about Michael Gallup coming back into this lineup and Michael Gallup got five targets himself we were wondering if he was going to eat away from Dalton Schultz jail jail are you nervous for Dalton Schultz going forward because I think a lot of people thought that you could just kind of throw them into your lineup and feel comfortable with it I'm nervous now what about you um yeah yeah I mean I am a little bit nervous I want to see it I'm not sure like only two targets is pretty alarming in a game like this um but I would want to see it I want to see it over a course of a couple games I don't want to take one same as uh who are we just talking about Cordero Cordero Patterson yes thank you same as Cordero Patterson I want to see a trend I don't want to just take one game and say alright now Schultz is not worth anything uh but he's absolutely on on uh on alert here yeah how about you Simon the way I see this playing out this this Coway's offense in any given week cannot support a Mari Cooper CD Lamb Michael Gallup and Dalton Schultz all four of them cannot have good fantasy weeks but I think they can get two or three of them to have good fantasy weeks on any given week and you know what I think it's going to be a rotating cast of who performs like Dalton Schultz will still have his games Michael Gallup is going to have his games and then CD Lamb and a Mari Cooper are probably going to be your most consistent options for this Cowboys receiving game uh but uh the the target share that Dalton Schultz was getting prior to this week with Michael Gallup back I don't think is going to be as consistent as we saw it through the first nine weeks of the season I will tell you this uh Dalton Schultz only had two targets the other target was a barely missed touchdown grab he could have had a touchdown here and then maybe we're having a different conversation here right guys but again the target serves what kind of we love to see I think he kind of goes back into that boomer bust needs a kind of touchdown tight end category J do you agree you literally took the words right from my mouth you know we were talking about before we came on the show you know Friar Muth stay where you know the there's this big group of guys that if you don't have one of the elite tight ends there's this big group of guys that you're expecting about eight points from and if they get a touchdown you're happy for that week and that's where I think he fits you know especially in this explosive offense and Simon like you said it's hard for this offense as good as it is with all the receiving options to support everybody well there's also nine catches from the running back position three from Zeke six from Tony Pollard so you throw that in there as well it's just it's going to be it's going to be hit or miss the lower options on the the receiving game for the Cowboys I think we'll start to see a care care cell I think we'll like next week it'll switch and you know Dalton Schultz will have the highest targets and CD lamb will have none or Michael Gallip will have none you know I do I think that's what we're going to start to see here because that's what we see in the rest of the season I will fight John Atwood too I think CD lamb is the only guy who I think he's taken over as you know I was big on a Mark Cooper this off season and I still think he'll be fine but there's no doubt in my mind that CD lamb is the alpha on this offense he's so he'll disappear he'll disappear at times right we've seen it a couple times throughout the season but again he's still getting all it seems like even the games he disappears he's still getting a really good percentage of the targets it just seems like those are off that games a little bit of anything yes I don't know between him and lamb and Cooper that their target shares pretty pretty close lamb does have like one or two percentage point more on the season and in the last three games yeah well I mean otherwise I think we're starting our studs we're still starting a Marie Cooper pretty confidently as a running back wide receiver two more CD lamb closer to that wide receiver one but maybe a back end wide receiver one if anything maybe a front end wide receiver two and we're feeling comfortable starting seek so you know the studs studded out stud stud and you know what would you say that like it's expected we have not been able to say that about a lot of teams over the past couple weeks it's been some weird players coming out performing it was nice to see the top dogs on this team who expect to come out perform well perform well yeah did you guys know Corey Clement is on this team I did not until this moment I just learned that right now so if you guys are ready I said we go and move on to our next game the next game we've got is the Washington football team upset over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers final score of 29 to 19 in this one yeah so we'll start with a Washington football team even though they did win Taylor Heineke did okay 256 passing yards he had one passing touchdown McLauren had an okay day as well six catches 59 yards so you would hope from a little more especially you know against this porous passing defense for the Buccaneers but Antonio Gibson lives again 64 rushing yards two touchdowns two catches for 14 yards so Simon we'll start with you here is this an opportunity to sell high on Antonio Gibson are you holding and expecting similar production for the rest of the year I just it is so baffling to me Antonio Gibson who has disappeared and disappointed all year puts together this game against the Buccaneers rush defense like of all weeks to come out and put together a game like this this was probably the week he was benched the most like nine weeks disappointing he goes against one of the best rush defenses in the entire league and as a two touchdown game absolutely nuts now that being said yeah I agree the first thing you said I would be trying to sell Antonio Gibson if at all possible in redraft leagues right now yes he did have the two touchdown game but he only had 64 yards on 24 carries that's less than three yards of curious sound like he was wildly efficient on the ground he just got the touchdowns and that that saved his game I'm not I'm not expecting this kind of performance from Antonio Gibson going forward this isn't a precursor to what I expect the rest of season I think Jared Patterson will still be involved JD McKissick still the receiving back this was just a great game for Gibson great game for Gibson yeah so it's really see we got there's so many factors here he only had 2.6 yards per carry but again it was against a great defense and for some reason they decided to give him 24 carries by far his most carries of the season and he has this slightly fractured chin so I'm trying to think about this do I sell hi maybe maybe he's overcoming the injury a little bit I don't know how he's doing that midseason but they're deciding to give him all this work all of a sudden I wish he was a little bit more involved in the passing game if it was me personally yeah if I could get a return for Antonio Gibson off the back of this game I would be selling jail yeah I think that's fine if you can get he's like a sell hi if you can you know I don't know that you'll be able to and if not I think he's a fine hold too I agree with Josh the 24 attempts is definitely we haven't seen that since week 5 he had the closest thing was he had 20 attempts so the last 3 or 4 weeks the last 3 weeks not including their bi-week he just hasn't been getting that many attempts so what does that mean either the coaching staff or him are more confident in his ability to not get injured here so staying on the same team just curious here Antonio Gibson or Terry McLaurin would you trade Gibson straight up for McLaurin right now I'd rather McLaurin yeah not not taking into account positional scarcity here right yeah same same just wanted to see where that temperature check was yeah and I'm with you guys I think so I wouldn't trade Antonio Gibson at a discount you can get you know somebody who's healthy you know I'm I'm concerned about like you said Josh that shin injury everything that I've read all the doctors are saying that this isn't something that's going to get better until he's able to take time off it's not going to happen till the end of the year so I'm with you if this is I think your cell window is opened up don't necessarily you know give them up for 50 cents on the dollar but it's something you should explore about for for net I would I would take for net Josh would you please stop taking my questions I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm just looking at this game stats right now and like comparing the two right I think I would take for net honestly just because I'm concerned about that shin holding up the rest of the season for net what was the eight receptions that's nuts I'll take the guy involved in the receiving yeah yeah yeah yeah I will do that sucks to say but yeah it's crazy I'll take for net we're bringing up low numbers for JD McKissick today yeah two carries for four yards for receptions on four targets for 35 yards that is interesting the usage between Gibson and McKissick is I think very interesting in this game do you guys expect that to stay stay like this moving forward do we or do you expect to see McKissick get as involved as he was earlier in season it's a gamescript thing they were out they were up most of the game and they didn't need their past catching back in as much they needed rushing back in which is not something they're used to and I don't think it's anything and no one expected I guess I was gonna say and I really projected them to like be struggling in the rush game down and have to pass the ball this seemed like it screamed a McKissick game and here we go with Antonio get the Andre Carter got six targets he got more than a kiss like what sense does that just one of those things but on the other side of the football Tom Brady was rusty today 220 passing yards two touchdowns two interceptions I wish rusty day for Tom Brady is still two touchdowns yeah yeah the two interceptions is a big deal the way he's been playing this year that that's a horrible game honestly yeah yeah you know people are expecting him to be QB1 and not so much Uncle Lenny did get 47 rushing yards on the ground but he saved his day being involved in the passing game it catches 15 yards so JL will start with you and go down lead 4 net is running back one running back two or flex play residency Leonard for net is a probably a high-end running back to like he has been all season Josh yeah yeah yeah running back to Simone I'll say high-end as well yeah I wish I could come out here and be super hyped and say like he's gonna be an RB one but he's he's a very just middle of the road RB two for me which is great for fantasy yeah he's another one that was a super value everybody was expecting Ronald Jones to take over this back field and it's been Leonard 4 net Mike Evans two catches 62 yards the quintessential Mike Evans game he had one long touchdown and one other catch and that was it Chris Godwin was banged up wasn't sure if he was gonna play seven catches 57 yards and like we said Leonard 4 net eight catches for 45 yards when Antonio Brown comes back is this gonna be similar to what we saw in the jump right in and throw a monkey wrench in and you're not gonna know which wide receiver to go with or let me let me rephrase the question rest of season which Tampa Bay wide receiver do you want Josh we'll start with you in PPR league it's it's Chris Godwin for me I still don't think we know when Antonio Brown's gonna come back healthy he was still in that walking boot last week but it could be soon it could be next week it could be as soon as next week but I'll take Chris Godwin Simon yeah I uh I think Chris Godwin and Mike Evans finish very similarly on the season it's just gonna be a different path for each of them Chris Godwin is going to be a bit more consistent week to week like Josh said he's the PPR guy and his role seems pretty safe in this offense Mike Evans from week to week there's gonna be higher variance but he's gonna have bigger games than Chris Godwin does probably the way it depends on roster construction but the way I play fantasy I'd probably prefer Mike Evans on my fantasy team I don't have any options but Chris Godwin and Mike Evans are right there Antonio Brown's gonna come in have big games week to week but um these are all great options for your team jail yeah it's Godwin for me as well yeah and I'm with Godwin Simon I think you said it perfectly Godwin is the he's the safer option and I still think he has just as big of upside as Mike Evans I prefer to have the guys with the safer floor that's why I lean Godwin but Mike Evans you know is gonna have those huge games as well okay guys before we move on to our next game I know we had a couple comments in here I wanted to get to the first one very important breaking news Anthony wants to know why does Jay hold the water bottle so we how's he do it how's he do it show us I don't know I'm just like wondering like what would normal be that seems pretty normal to me I don't know Anthony Anthony just told him he just told himself he holds it weird yeah exactly we're gonna check the tape Maria lost two minutes trying to go back and see this weird water bottle hold Anthony is heading up everything over here getting people um Anthony I'm glad you're looking so hard at me on the screen that you're noticing how I hold the water it's hard not to for being honest it is what it is also add in here let us know that one interception was not Tom Brady's fault in this game and you're not but it was still a rusty looking game for Tom Brady we can't deny that and Tim with his answer to your question Jay he says Leonard Forna is a running back so does that answer your question it does thank you know what I bet Tim has the highest percentage chance of being accurate on that one out of any of us we all said RB to Tim absolutely nailed that one guys we're gonna move on to our next game now and unfortunately we are gonna be talking about the Cleveland Browns versus new Patriots New England Patriots ended up winning 45 to 7 against the Cleveland Browns after Odell Beckham Jr left the team I said those two together I don't think they're related at all about the same there is absolutely zero correlation or causation between those two things but this was a very rough game for the Cleveland Browns in general we are gonna start on the Cleveland side of this ball though and the first thing I wanted to bring up Dearness Johnson giving the opportunity again to be the sole like lead back in this offense and yet again he put up another great fantasy performance so my question for you guys is if Dearness Johnson is the lead back is he just the start like if Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt are out is Dearness Johnson just the player you plug in no questions asked, Josh how do you feel about Dearness Johnson yeah if Nick Chubb or Kareem Hunt can't go you're starting Dearness Johnson he's locked and loaded running back to if you told me Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt were out for the rest of the season I would slot him in right around probably James Robinson a little bit behind him that's how I feel about Dearness Johnson Jail are you in agreement with Josh on the evaluation of Dearness Johnson yeah absolutely he's the 8th most attempts out of all running backs this week which is pretty significant 19 attempts that run first offense I would want whoever is leading the back out there let's talk about the pass catching my next question is going to be Jay is this Dearness Johnson or is it just this Browns rushing attack and they plugged in this is the guy they're plugging in I think it's a system I think they're just plugging in this guy I agree with everything that's been said other than ranking him close to James Robinson for the rest of the season if those guys were out as much as I hated on James Robinson very high in him right now but I don't necessarily believe in the talent but as we know in fantasy volume is king and if Hunt and Chubb are out they've shown that they're not afraid to give Dearness Johnson the volume I got something to say to this I remember Simon you and I discussed this when Dearness Johnson first guy started a couple weeks ago and I was thinking he was going to have a good game and he started having this good game we were having this conversation just this Browns run scheme is good kind of like the 49ers run scheme they just know how to get the running back going they have a good blocking scheme it's just set up for fantasy success from the running back position I tend to agree with you and I think that's purposeful the Browns have tried to build their team that way and it's showing with their two stud running backs out they're still getting it done on the ground but that was about the only positive thing to come from the Brown side of this game all of the receiving options were pretty poo poo unless you happen to start Austin Hooper which man if you were starting Austin Hooper this week in a redraft or dynasty league you must have been really struggling but it worked out for you there my question JL these Browns receiving options so Austin Hooper four receptions 25 yards but he got the touchdown Jarvis Landry similar line with no touchdown four receptions 26 yards we had Donovan Peoples Jones with one catch for 16 yards rest of season are there any receiving options on this Browns team even it's like a flex option yeah yeah I think Jarvis Landry is still a solid flex option I'm I can't project him any better than that though dearness Johnson led this team in targets this week eight targets and that is wild right there Josh what about are you similarly valuing Jarvis Landry to JL or do you have a different take on the receiving options here you're going to see Jarvis Landry on some waiver wires going into this next week and I still feel comfortable in a PPR league playing him I think the targets are going to be there throughout the rest of the season he is their best receiver still in my mind I know people are arguing about Donovan Peoples Jones it's still Jarvis Landry for me I think he's going to have better weeks yeah and then Jay I do have any interest in Donovan Peoples Jones going for these you guys hit on Jarvis Landry but Donovan Peoples Jones we've seen the big playability from him and OBJ no longer on this offense some people are excited about him do you have any reason to believe he's going to be a fantasy option going forward and he's going to be the definition of a boom bus player you're hoping for a long touchdown if you know if you're in a position where you're the underdog in a game and you need somebody who could potentially blow up then I think he's somebody you can throw in as flex play but other than that especially the way this passing game is look recently I don't think that he's somebody you can depend on week to week I'm agreeing with you guys unless you have anything else to say on this Cleveland Brown side of the ball we're going to move over to New England the last thing I did want to say is I know Austin Hooper had a good game David and Joku had a drop touchdown pass he could have been the one to score the touchdown Harrison Bryant has some good targets in this game you can't start any of the three Cleveland tight ends because they're all involved and you don't know which way the ball is going to go it's a touchdown or bust for all three of these guys this week the touchdown with Austin Hooper on the New England side of the ball here guys Ramon Dre Stevenson the Rhino with the big game the Rhino he had what was it we were talking about how D. Ernest Johnson had what jail you said the fourth most carries 8th 8th most carries well Ramon Dre Stevenson was one of the seven backs ahead of him with 20 carries for a hundred yards and two rush touchdowns he was actually right in front of him he D. Ernest Johnson had 19 he was 8th out of all running backs and Ramon Dre Stevenson was 7th with 20 so that's how it works exactly what Simon said you nailed he was one of the seven that was ahead of him that's what Simon said well done but Ramon Dre Stevenson this week this was way more involvement than he had seen the previous nine weeks he had 20 carries this week prior to this he had 35 carries on the entire season Josh I know you've been a big Damien Harris guy Damien Harris missed this game are you worried at all about Damien Harris going forward with the production that Ramon Dre Stevenson showed on the ground today very very weird Ramon Dre Stevenson looked really good today it's the Patriots we're we're not going to know well I could there's absolutely it's a coin flip whether they go completely back to Damien Harris next week or maybe they use both or maybe they just stick with the Rhino Ramon Dre Stevenson so yeah I'm worried for Damien Harris very worried Jail what about you do you feel similarly to Josh on this one yeah yeah I mean I think the fact that we have the production we've seen out of Damien Harris so far is very is not really on par with what we normally see from Bill Balcheck and the Patriots running backs he usually does spread it around it usually does split up it's a lot of work to where all the running backs are not that enticing for fantasy I could see I could see that happening I'm still going to be semi-confident and Damien Harris I think he was looking very good when he was playing as well but I agree with Josh the Rhino looked fantastic today yeah the Rhino did look fantastic now Jay we're going to come to you with a different position here on the new England side of the ball Hunter Henry the tight end has been showing up recently in six of his last seven games he has had a touchdown which like we talked about earlier a touchdown for tight ends is where the money is once you get out of that top six you're just looking for the guy that's most likely to get into the end zone how do you view Hunter Henry rest of season is he a must start tight end must start I'm going to stop short of saying must start but I think he's at the top tier of that big glob of tight ends that I was talking about earlier yes I just said big glob I think he's one of those guys that he's going to get three to five catches roughly 50 yards and if he gets in the end zone he's going to have have a good game now you know seems like Mack Johnson have a connection he's got a lot of touchdowns here recently and I would also like to add can we just give a round of applause for Jacoby Myers hey you stole my thunder we were getting there Jay I'm sorry I hold your horses you were bearing the lead you're bearing the lead Simon we wanted to end on the big exciting news about Jacoby Myers and you stole that moment from me no no we had to give you a steal Jay's question earlier so it's only now we're even sorry I got Josh got away with one not yet we're not done yet well the last thing I was going to say is congratulations to Coby Myers on your first touchdown round of applause round of applause for Jacoby great idea you not like Jacoby Myers or something because both times you refuse to clap I'm clapping you just can't see my hands well Jay I was going to say Jay lost his hands this weekend that's why he's not clapping he's embarrassed about it I think patty ate them Jay's dog is what happened right there guys unless oh there was one more thing I actually did want to touch on this game we were going to do it before we got to Jacoby Myers but Kendrick is 98 yards in a touchdown he actually got three carries for 43 yards as well Dale I know you're the snap share guy here is Kendrick born involved enough or target share is he involved enough in this offense there is there is fantasy upside going forward or was this just a great game for Kendrick born in a weird game script with how big they were up you know he's a little bit more interesting on the season he's got 13.2% of the target share last three games 19.5% so a little bit more interesting yes but out of between him Hunter Henry they both got four targets the whole game four targets it's not a ton for for wide receivers tight ends so I don't think that it's going to really translate to consistent fantasy production are you agreeing or is Kendrick born a guy that's on your radar now I pretty much agree with everything JL said he's not necessarily somebody that has a lot of confidence in this offense okay then guys we're going to move on to our next game the Detroit Lions versus the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Detroit Lions for the first time this season did not lose they didn't win they didn't win what an accomplishment they did not lose 16 to 16 they will not be the first oh and what is it 17 team ever they will not lose every record looks so funny here though yeah it is a weird one 0 and 8 and 1 yeah this is a wild game on the on the Detroit side of the ball I think it was it was pretty much chalk what you were expecting you know Jared golf had a terrible game as expected Deandre Swift 33 carries 33 carries 130 yards three receptions on six targets for five yards I haven't been a league that rewards a point a half a point per carry oh my goodness so you got 15 or 16 points just for existing it was crazy it was crazy we had a hold on we got a fan deal just summed it up perfectly this game was a walking Benny Hill song that is the perfect way to describe this game absolutely fantastic the perfect way yeah and so yeah yeah Deandre Swift we yeah some some backup running backs got some touchdowns probably not even worth noting more one-offs a modern St. Brown four receptions for six I'm sorry yeah four receptions on six targets for 61 yards I think he's in that same sort of category that we've talked about for but the only interesting really interesting unexpected performance on the steam was Hockinson posted a dud zero receptions on one target Josh are you concerned at all for TJ Hockinson going forward am I concerned for him not really it sucks to see I feel like he's still a lock and loaded starter for your fantasy team look there's again we always talk about this tier of about six tight ends it's Travis Kelsey Kyle Pitts Darren Waller George Kittle Mark Andrews and TJ Hockinson is still in that tier for me but he's at the bottom of the tier and he's the next man out so am I concerned for him a little bit a little bit the offense is not very good but I still think the targets will be there going forward I still am starting to get what about you Simon how you feel about TJ Hockinson going forward yeah he's in that top six tight end tier you start them each and every week this was a dud game but like you said we had some weird touchdowns too from back up running backs the touchdowns aren't always going to go that direction it was a it was raining there was some weird vibes going on that made it 1616 this was just a weird game overall Hockinson's fine like you don't ask these questions if Waller puts up a dud note I mean you keep starting them and Hockinson's close enough to that tier that I'm going to keep on starting them week in week out you agree Jay? I agree exactly the way Josh put it I think he's still in that top tier for me but I mean you have to move into the bottom of it and if this continues and honestly I don't think it's going to get any better until they benched Jared Goff I think he's shown that he was a Sean McVay product and it's it's ugly right now when you can't trust any but the only player on the tour you can trust right now that's it you know Amon Ross St. Brown was looking decent in a few games but yeah until is it is it going to get better when they bench them though because David Blouse the backup quarterback it came in worse just go out there you know and chuck it so it can't be any worse than Goff Dan Campbell is standing behind Jared Goff said in the post game press conference that they felt it was the right move not to bench him so I guess we'll see moving to the other side of the ball Ray Ray McLeod led the Pittsburgh wide receivers in targets and PPR fantasy points go Tigers I just saw the smile trail in Simon's faces when we brought up Ray Ray McLeod I have a feeling I know why this might have taken place with Claypool and Juju out Josh let me ask you is McLeod worth picking up this week or is this are your theories around this game yes so I'm going to say no he is not worth picking up that's because I do believe that Ben Roffelsberger will be the starter going forward and I think that Ray Ray McLeod had such a good game because Mason Rudolph targeted him 12 targets 9 catches on 12 targets I'm not 100% sure about this but I have a feeling that they practice with each other quite a bit because they're both you're right so once big big comes back I do not expect this level of production for Ray Ray McLeod he'll be back to muffin punts for the Steelers now we might have I believe it was reported today that Big Ben is symptomatic with this he has Covid that's why he missed this game and that he is symptomatic this week which could prolong you know he might not see him next week depending on how the how his recovery progresses so you could get a week out of him do you really want a one week Ray Ray McLeod I want I'll take I'll take every single raindrop out of that cloud I'll take a quarter if you told me that Mason Rudolph is going to start a quarter next week JL the league that we co-managed team we're not picking a program we'll see about that Deontay Johnson had a pretty good game 7 receptions on 13 targets 83 yards and a very costly fumble I don't know if there's much to take away from that James Washington also had a good game I think your theory Josh it might check out I think that might be why we saw James Washington and Mary McLeod have good games Pat Friar Muth he did not have a good game 5 receptions 5 receptions on 9 targets 31 yards and a costly fumble do you think that this is because of Mason Rudolph or Eric Ebron being back what is causing or what caused Pat Friar Muth to not have a great game what do you think Jay I think he had a game that you would expect I think people were having unrealistic expectations with Friar Muth he had two amazing weeks but he's in that glob yes I said glob again of guys that you're going to get 8 to 10 points and you're hoping for a touchdown 5 receptions 31 yards 8 points if he would have caught a touchdown even with a fumble nobody would be saying anything about Friar Muth I think he's somebody who is a back end starter but people who are expecting him to be making that jump into the top tier of tight ends that's not going to be the case what do you think Josh I know you've been pretty high on Friar Muth going into this week I mean Jay kind of summed it up 9 targets for your tight end is fantastic going into next week unless again we talked about the top 6 tier of tight ends unless it's one of those guys I'm probably still starting to have Friar Muth yep he's near the top of that glob as Jay put it he's not in the top 6 but he's at the very tippy top of that glob and Brian in here seeing covid shoulder same thing just to clarify Big Ben was placed on the covid reserve list which is why he didn't play and his newt alarm is no reason why he hasn't he's played all 9 games so far this season with a newt alarm whatever's going on with his shoulder but it is the covid reserve list so I'm going to throw him out of this game this week yep and that's it I ended a sentence I said held him out this week the sentence was over do I need to say period at the end of my sentences and we're at the formation mark for question mark yeah either one any of those will do I'll take every raindrop out of that cloud she's going to embroider that on a pillow once I learn to embroider Tim said shut your Friar Muth Joey shut your Friar Muth shut your Friar Muth shut your Friar Muth moving on to the Buffalo and the Jets game okay guys we will move on to the Buffalo versus New York Jets game next um yeah Buffalo won 45-17 in this game 5-3 Buffalo Bills beating up on the New York Jets 2-6 this game actually was not living in backwards world like some of the other games we've seen recently yeah I mean this game uh really another one that wasn't all that exciting that it kind of sums up this week it feels like but hey Buffalo won we kind of expected that right at least I think most people did on the Buffalo side of the ball Josh Allen he had a very good game maybe you would expect more rushing intense more rushing ours but he didn't need to run because he beat up on the Jets so he had a very solid game at the running back position Matt Breda where did he come from guys Matt Breda so 3 carries 28 yards and a touchdown and then 3 catches on 3 targets for 22 yards and another touchdown he also had a fumble um but Zach Moss and Devin Singletary were very involved as well this running back position has been a mess all year for the Buffalo Bills and Matt Breda is just making it more confusing we were like like this is the one match up where you're like they're playing the Jets maybe they can have a good game but Matt Breda comes in no one started Matt Breda guys do you feel comfortable starting any running back going forward Jay let me come to you with this one how do you feel about the Bills running backs I was starting to feel comfortable with Zach Moss simply because he was getting the passing work but that's changed so honestly you can't I think this is exactly the Bills backfield that we thought in this off season you know it's going to be a Singletary game it's going to be a Moss game apparently it's going to be a Matt Breda game um Josh Allen is the running back one and the rest you're just basically hoping for their game so you know if you need a you know if you're in desperation mode you need a bi-week replacement or flex you know if they've got a good match up maybe but you're not starting any of them with conflicts I honestly think Jay summed it up perfectly unless someone else has to add anything I think it's a mess I don't think you can start any of these guys feeling good about it you can throw in one of them and cross your fingers it's not Matt Breda for me though Zach Moss was an RB3 flex option prior to this week and RB3 flex option going forward that's the only running back you can have any confidence in there yeah I'm a little interested in Devin Singletary and like an emergency flex like situation in the right matchup I think you can probably throw him in but it sounds like it sounds like you might like Devin Singletary more than Zach Moss going for jail no I do not I was going to have you and Simon fight about this but never mind never mind I don't want to fight about Zach Moss and Devin Singletary even if jail did say Devin Singletary with Zach Moss recipes now I just said yeah okay Simon do you want to fight about real estate law or any other things that don't matter at all before we go to the next point Josh we did have a question in here from come here now Peach 89 do you like Elijah Mitchell tomorrow person on bottom person on bottom is not here Matt McCarthy is not here but I guess I'm on the bottom you're the person I love and yeah Elijah Mitchell is a great start tomorrow um I am trusting him in the way you can trust any running back that's not Christian McCaffrey Alvin Kamara Dalvin Cook going forward he is a he's getting the work for a decent offense you you got to keep starting them and you can tell him all your deep dark secrets and he's good you can keep a good secret so that's true yeah I view him as a middle middle and RB2 here this week yeah I mean at this point yeah like you're not you're not changing it feel good about it it's got your fingers Elijah Mitchell's got this no he's gonna have a good game also come here be come saying hope your games went well well if you're talking NFL um no they went horrible if you're talking if you're talking fantasy it also went pretty poorly this week so oh man my week is great my week went great because the giants were on buy so they couldn't lose so actually that fancy week but hey guys back to this game bills versus jets bill bills destroy the jets like I like I just said Stefan Diggs he just had I believe to be his best game of the season yes it is his best game of the season he had 13 targets eight catches 162 yards and one touchdown hey jl you're vibing to Stefan Diggs coming into this game I said it in our ranking into like that elite category like right next to Tyree kill Devonte Adams he's got these types of names um no I mean he's still behind them he's still behind them realistically one game is not going to change that but I do think that this should hopefully quell some and it's against the jets which I know a lot of people are saying like the jets are good against wide receivers this season though yeah but I'm the more and more the more games I see the more I think Josh's theory is correct here that it's because the jets are so bad that teams don't need to use their wide receivers I think we're just using points allowed metric to gauge that and I don't think that's super accurate in this case and I said that going into this week which is why I had Stefan Diggs in my top five and we saw that play out I think he's right where he belongs right where we were all expecting him to be going into the season now how about these other bills receiving options Colby easily two catches Emmanuel Sanders two catches Gabriel Davis three catches for 105 yards I think we were all playing Colby easily and Emmanuel Sanders over Gabe Davis is the second wide receiver position just a mess right now Simon can I come to you to this one do you feel comfortable playing these second options are really just these options out of Stefan outside of Stefan Diggs for the Buffalo Bills I mean comfort is a weird word to ask answer no to that one but which one of these three would I start week in week out it's still Emmanuel Sanders I understand Gabriel Davis had a great game today but it came up three receptions 105 receiving yards you don't count on that kind of game each and every week Emmanuel Sanders the production that he has gotten seems to be the most sustainable the most likely to repeat so I have comfort as much as you can with these options plugging Emmanuel Sanders in as a wide receiver three flex option but outside of that no I'm never plugging Gabriel Davis or Colby easily into my lineup if I can avoid it right now Colby easily feels like he's a consistent PPR option but today that didn't come through am I right Jay how do you feel about Colby easily I think Colby easily Emmanuel Sanders are pretty much in the same tier for me I think they're both going to have good games Colby easily had to 20 point games in the past three games had double digits last week as well he just didn't get the targets this week so I agree with Simon Gabe Davis is like a Donovan Donovan people's Jones for me he's a flex play that you're hoping for a long touchdown that's about it I think Beasley and Emmanuel Sanders are both solid wide receiver threes that you know if it's their week it's you know it could be a pretty good game yeah so let me just let me just interject a little bit here before we move on to Dawson Knox yeah I think this is a I think a big reason that none of the real receiving options did a ton is is the sheer number of targets outside of Stefan Dakes who had 13 targets this week the next highest was three targets which is wild you know that's it's absolutely a game scripting they got up so much I think I think Emmanuel Sanders and Colby's Lee are going to be good after you know whenever they're not in games where they're going to get game scripted out yeah and I think you can throw Dawson Knox into that category like you said there was only 28 past attempts in this game Dawson Knox was coming off an injury I think there's still better weeks ahead for Dawson Knox and all these past catching options Gabe Davis is still the bottom of the barrel for me out of all these receivers and the jet side of the ball oh my oh my Michael Carter puts a smile on your face with 16 carries 39 yards a touchdown and four catches I think Michael Carter is a consistent starter going forward the receivers are a complete mess I know some had good games I think we're all going to agree that Michael Carter and we were talking about him a little bit earlier he's and he's running back to right guys yeah I think he's a solid running back to the rest of season with some decent upside they are going to be down in a lot of games he's a great receiving back now Zach Wilson coming back instead of Mike White we saw Mike White dump off to Michael Carter a ton didn't necessarily work out fully that way this game he didn't see the receive the insane target share we've seen in some previous games but Michael Carter is a solid RB 2 with RB 1 upside on the given week Michael Carter is the running back nine in terms of target share on the season 12.7% and in the last three games it's gone up to 15% and again that is tied to Mike White a little bit so it's Mike White going forward yeah yeah yeah I'm in the last three games yeah last three going up yeah for sure but even on the season it being you know him being a tight end or I'm sorry running back nine that's pretty impressive I did not expect that absolutely absolutely Jay do you trust these wide receivers for the jets going forward now that Elijah Moore has kind of broken out he broke out last week but now that kind of Corey Davis coming back into the lineup I feel like it's just a mess here yeah I think it's going to be a mess and I will say it's encouraging for Elijah Moore that even though Corey Davis came back Moore only had one less target than him I still think this entire offense I want to see what it looks like when Zach Wilson eventually gets back under center I do still like Michael Carter I think he's pretty much locked in as a RB 2 with the way that the running but the receiving options right now you just it's there wide receiver threes flex plays and you're hoping for a touchdown exactly I'm right there with you I mean other than that this this game was a blowout the bills show what they were about the jets really didn't show up and again I think like Jay said we just really need to see what Zach Wilson can do with this team going forward you mean Mike White didn't steal the job from Zach Wilson? No he didn't I think he did and then he gave it just about he had one foot out the door and then right as he was about to leave with the starting job he triggered the security alarm and Zach Wilson Is this the proper way to hold a water bottle? I think so if Zach Wilson had or if Mike White had a good game today I think it would have been tough for them to keep or to plug Zach Wilson back in but he did not he showed us that he's still an experienced quarterback I was going to say I don't think they would get dragged so hard but he took him second overall and then it's the jet so before we move on to our next game dribble out a question for us what to do with AJ Brown then rephrase it over here thoughts on AJ Brown so Josh how do you feel about AJ Brown going forward the rest of the season? I'm still confident in AJ Brown I know he had a bad week this week against the Saints I'm not sure if March on Line or more followed him around the field but again it's probably part of it he only had one catch for 16 yards but look at his past few weeks he's been killing it you're starting AJ Brown with a lot of confidence going into next week I mean you're not trying to sell him right now because you'll be selling low so I'm still very confident in AJ Brown Full agree and I have a feeling all four of us are going to say the same thing on that one anyone disagree? Nope AJ Brown's a stud keep him If somehow you can by low after this week by all means 40 targets in the past four games I was going to say in the last three games his target share 30.6% which is the fourth highest amongst wide receivers I can't believe that's only fourth We also got Ray in here also Ray nice KK Slider picture I'm digging it since my opponent has Stafford and Odell left Daniel KK Sliders the dog from Animal Crossing he sings songs he comes and visits plays concerts for you You didn't know that but he has Daniel Carlson and Van Jefferson throwing up against Stafford and Odell and he is ahead by 14 points does he have a chance Jay if you were a betting man and you had to bet $100 on one side of this outcome which side would you be taking I think I got to go with the Stafford and Odell side and the thing is if Van Jefferson has a good game there it's going to come from Matthew Stafford so I think that that really is what bears you now if you had somebody on the other side of the ball maybe but I would put it on the even with the Daniel Carlson in the lineup you got to go Stafford and Odell You've got a chance Ray but I agree with Jay if I was a betting man I would bet on your opponent but there is very much a very real possibility that you can end up winning this game and I'm guessing my mic just exploded for a second there with the reactions Jay how do you feel on this one I don't know what to say I don't know what to say I'm still struggling trying to predict this over here it's actually a better chance than I initially thought let's just say Daniel Carlson gets 10 points we'll throw that one in 98 let's just say then Odell has to outperform Van Jefferson almost in my mind I'll give you a 45% chance okay so that's rather that's not a bad chance right there Jayle that's a Josh that's a Josh guarantee yeah actually I think the math does check out like Josh is saying I would still take the Stafford side Stafford is going to be throwing to Van Jefferson and he gets points and before this next game starts so this one is time sensitive for Mike right here he's with Darrell Williams for Elijah Mitchell he was like oh god oh god oh god find someone who's your fantasy stuff this is a tough one is it a PPR league we don't know so Josh who would you be starting Darrell Williams or Elijah Mitchell it's Elijah Mitchell Jay I give Josh credit he's bought into Elijah Mitchell a lot sooner than I did but I'm in now you gotta go in Jayle but I would go Elijah Mitchell it is close it is close and it's so close that I almost want to give some props to Darrell Williams here in a high scoring or what we project to be a high scoring game I would I would give the I would lean then Darrell Williams I think I'm leaning what about Frank Gore's great great great great grandson Derek Gore I'll lean Elijah Mitchell as well it's unanimous Elijah Mitchell Mike but it is much closer than a unanimous Elijah Mitchell sounds guys we're gonna go ahead and move on to our next game it is the Jacksonville Jaguars versus the Indianapolis Colts Jacksonville teased us a little bit there thinking maybe they would come back and win this game but ended up blowing it at the end 23-17 final score for the Colts yeah so Trevor Lawrence continues to disappoint less than 200 passing yards he didn't have any interceptions but he did have a fumble lost at the very end yeah the Colts defense played really well all Agnew I think I'm saying it right I'm not very good at that name three rushes 79 yards he ran for 66 yards rush for touchdown he's everything that I thought Levisca Chanel was gonna be I'll just go ahead and admit it but I will say Levisca Chanel did lead the team in targets so if they're able to get this passing in going eventually maybe he can have some value but that's give up on a J give up on a J but I know you were too did Jamal Agnew not get any receiving work five targets and no catches no catches they just looked off the only thing that was really running next that line it was James Robinson like I said earlier I was out on him and the reason is he still wasn't I mean 4.8 12 rushes 57 yards 4.8 yards per carry it's okay it's average but it's not great yet the touchdown what has been given him so much value is usage in the passing game five targets four catches 27 yards you know that adds basically a touchdown to his stat line so JL will start with you James Robinson is he a running back one or running back two the rest of the season I think he's a running back probably a high low end running back one if he continues to get the volume that he's getting I think more realistically he's going to end up as a high end running back two though Josh he's a high end running back two for me he's an RB one for me I think with the volume he's getting in this offense rest of season even if it's a pretty poor offense he's a back end RB one in my eyes it's not that different from what these guys are saying it's the difference between RB 11 and RB 14 but I'll give him the nod and say I think he's a top 12 back rest of season I'm with you Simon I agree I think he's a running back one and the big thing for me is he seems to be game script proof even when they're down they're still using him in pretty much the same capacity a lot of these running backs who are getting a lot of production out of the through the air when they're up big they're not getting usage well if they're up big let's be honest that's not going to happen with Jacksonville he's going to get the rushing yards and they're using him in the passing game so I really like that aspect from him moving on to the other side of the ball the Indianapolis Colts Wentz didn't have necessarily a great game they did win the game but under 200 passing yards I don't know if the big story was that if his child was born today that he was going to miss the game I don't know if it was or not but he might be sleeping on the couch tonight Jonathan Taylor he just continues to roll 11 attempts 116 yards of touchdown 6 catches for granted it was only 10 yards but hey that's what that's 7 points in PPR that's over a touchdown if we were drafting today Simon would you consider Jonathan Taylor the 101 yeah I don't think there's any other answer to that question besides yeah like would you consider him or sorry you asked would you consider him the 101 not would you consider him at 101 right would you consider him at 101 absolutely he's in that conversation but we knew the talent when he was coming out of college I remember being absolutely flabbergasted when the chiefs drafted CEH over him but he's showing it and the Colts are finally using him like they should use a running back of his talent he's got to be in conversation for the 101 just ask the question ask it CEH or Jonathan Taylor I mean not CEH Christian McCaffrey I was going to say what just ask the question CEH I'll still take Leviscus and all with Jonathan Taylor I'll still take CMC over Jonathan Taylor and especially in a PPR oh so I mean rest of season yeah I would probably take CEH I would say next year but oh I thought you were saying the draft right now oh next year okay I may have said one way and thought the other way that doesn't matter I would definitely consider him maybe Alvin Camero there I would still consider Christian McCaffrey but the fact that he didn't get much second half work a little worried about that injury but we'll get to that later so that would definitely put Jonathan Taylor a little bit ahead of him they were winning by a lot that's true when he had the whole 10th thing we'll get to it we'll get to it I watched a lot of that game and Michael Pittman he had a disappointing game because a lot of people he was in a smash spot but he had five catches 71 yards I don't really think there's much to say there I think he's going to be just fine I think he's emerged as a wide receiver too pretty much for the rest of the season is there any disagreement if anything I think that might be a little bit low on him like he's a he's a great start he's a high end wide receiver too he's on that wide receiver one wide receiver two fringe rest of season for me and this cold passing offense I like it yeah that's both sides of this game okay guys before we move on to our next game we had a couple more updates in here Maria said favorite players in the NFL as of today so we're going to go around and each of us is going to say our number one favorite player in the NFL I'll go first because I know right away and you guys look like you're torn Darren Waller is my favorite player in the NFL I love him as a player and as a person he's got such a cool story overcome a lot of Darren Waller and he's fun to watch on the field Jay who is your favorite player in the NFL this guy right here Mr. Lamar Jackson are we going to have the same answer for the other three people probably you can't mount like that sorry Josh even though I'm a Giants fan I love Lamar Jackson he helped me one he helped me one more time yeah there you go Josh is going to say Kwanzaa's fight Josh who is your favorite player now it's a Daffae Owe the Ravens linebacker no actually he's been killing it I loved the draft pick I ordered his jersey it just was delayed for like seven months and I had to cancel it so I'm really upset about that now but yeah Daffae Owe check him out Jay what about you this is tough it could be Seyquan Seyquan is definitely up there but it's Mike Williams is the one that's sort of ringing out right now in my mind that is a fun one right there and I just wanted to shout out Josh a little bit the projections say that he's got a 46% chance to win and you said 45% so your prognostication was almost once again using josh math I see silence wants to know do you guys believe that Hunter Renfrow can get 11 more points than Mahoney the exact same thing happened to me 11 points 11 points absolutely can you get 11 more than Mahomes that is very unlikely I'm sorry if Mahomes gets bubble guts before and isn't able to go to the game that's pretty much the only way you think it's happening yet this year whatever don't worry about it I was just like did I say that out loud hold on guys we're going to move on to our next game well Josh figures that out right there and this is the new Orleans Tennessee Titans game and Josh I wanted to come to you first on this one we're going to start on the Tennessee side of the ball and I know you were very excited about McNichols whenever Derek Henry went down yeah I was but the rushing options in this offense Deansiform in 11 carries 30 yards with 2 receptions Adrian Peterson 8 carries 21 yards can we trust any of the rushing options as a fantasy start in this Tennessee offense going forward he dropped the touch he actually he caught it he dropped the touch down but that doesn't matter Deansiform is the running back I would like to have in this Titans backfield at this point just watching the game he looked like the most explosive running back he actually looked really good in my opinion I think they try to get him more involved going forward he actually got two catches himself so if there's one running back I'm starting going forward it's actually 4 minutes the one we all least expected you stealing my takes man come on yeah I mean it's just a smart take we're just smart guys I was going to say we're stolen you guys are just double takes Josh said for both of you Jail we'll come to you on this one so Julio Jones was out and in his stead Marcus Johnson stepped up 6 targets 5 receptions 100 receiving yards if Julio misses more time do you think Marcus Johnson is a guy that we can trust in our fantasy lineups or was this just a great game for a receiver I want to see it more than the one game games where Chester Rogers gets a lot of targets where Westbrook Keene gets a lot of targets yeah I would absolutely want to see it on a sustained basis but I think he's good stash you can probably stash him if you have a spot this week but I'm not super bullish on him get him out of here get him out of here even with Julio and IR you guys have no interest in Marcus Johnson or any of these secondary receiving options Jay is there any secondary receiver you would want to pick up from the Titans I honestly know it's AJ Browner Bust okay AJ Browner Bust and we're going to move on to the New Orleans side of this ball and Jay we're going to start with you on this one and this is a simple question so Trevor Simeon put up a line 19 for 34 298 yards in two touchdowns today MVP who's the starting quarterback for the Saints rest of season is it Trevor Simeon or is Jason Hill going to take over I think if he continues to play like this he doesn't eat good not great I think he's got to be Trevor Simeon he's got a lot of throws the offense and this was without Alan Kamara Mark Ingram was in the backfield so I think he's bought himself a few more games honestly Josh are you agreeing there yeah I mean he's not throwing picks he's not turning the ball over I'm sure that's really what the coaching staff is asking for him when it comes down to it so as long as he's not making mistakes it's probably his job to lose Jay I'll agree in there do you think Jason Hill is going to take over Titans are they look fantastic the last couple weeks they have really all season they've looked great as an offense gosh something am I the fact that the Saints got so close to beating them this week I think is a testament to Trevor Simeon how well he played he passed the eye test watching him play today he passed the eye test his accuracy looked good he was hitting his targets he doesn't have a lot of weapons right now and so the fact that he's putting together these games against a pretty good Titans team with virtually no real help or support from the skill position players is saying something yeah I'm agreeing with you there and Josh talking about the New Orleans skill position players these receivers so this week we had Trayquan Smith 4 receptions 44 yards and a touchdown Marcus Callaway 2 receptions and a touchdown which of these receiving options for New Orleans do you trust the most in your fantasy lineups and who has the highest upside am I allowed to say none you can say none yeah that's what I thought I don't trust any of these receivers in the New Orleans it's often still I trust the running back the starting running back who's hopefully Alvin Camero going forward but if it's Mark Ingram you trust Mark Ingram if it's Ingram I do trust Ingram I do I trust him going into this game receiver position I don't trust any of these guys who has the most upside maybe Trayquan Smith I just believe he's the most polished receiver all in all but you know again they're all about the same to me but if I had to choose one it'd probably be Trayquan Smith Trayquan Smith guys or Jail do you agree with that would you pick Trayquan Smith out of these options or are you on the Marcus Callaway side or it could be one of the Titans Troutman Johnson Deontae Harris has been good was the one is the name I was gonna bring up is that he's the one that I might be interested in out of these three but really no no strong interest between the three of them yeah guys if you are ready we're gonna go ahead and move on to our next game the Philadelphia Eagles versus the Denver Broncos in this one the Eagles ended up winning 30 to 13 they did they did oh wait this oh okay this is this is my game gotcha so the Philadelphia Eagles yeah a peek behind the curtain to be fair you were traded this game so yeah yeah no no yeah yeah okay so I mean Traylin Hertz Traylin Hertz look good you look good I don't know what else there is to say you look good he's not great in the NFL necessarily we've seen some really bad games from him but week in week out if he throws at least the touchdown pass he's the top five quarterback option what's that rushing upside 178 throw it doesn't matter if he only throws for 178 yards he's gonna touch down rush for 50 and he's a great quarterback option I mean I've been saying for weeks though at the running bag position we're not gonna be able to trust any of these guys and that's more or less what happened and look they didn't look bad I'm not saying they look bad but it's just it's a mess it's a mess only Bolson Scott's got two catches Jordan Howard he had 12 carries for 83 yards but Bolson Scott had the best fantasy game I don't trust any of these guys do you Simon do you trust any of these running back to go forward I said earlier I forget who was on the call when we were watching the games together I said the thing that has made me angriest this entire season is the Philadelphia Eagles running back core nothing has made sense we talked about it last week Miles Sanders was not getting the carries they weren't getting the running and going he goes down Kenneth Gainwell who was stealing touches from him we assume is gonna take over as the lead back and then bam Boston Scott Jordan Howard take over I don't know what to make of it week in week out you can shoot your shot if you want I want a Boston Scott and Jordan Howard Boston Scott's probably the guy I would trust the most based on how they've used him the past couple weeks but man I am just so confused and upset about their usage of Kenneth Gainwell with Miles Sanders being out and then Miles Sanders is coming back I don't know what that's gonna do to this back field are they gonna keep running the ball as much and give the work to him like I'm uh baffled I'm baffled at the running back usage by this offense week in week out Austin Scott was pretty pretty efficient 11 11 attempts 81 yard and the Denver run defense is is not it's no slouch they're they're they're good so that's a little bit encouraging but the Kent you're right the Kenneth Gainwell stuff just that that does not make any sense to me like did he eat Siriani's cereal or something or take his lunch out of the fridge I'm not sure and Albert saying Miles Sanders expected back next week so that's going to throw a wrench into everything we've been doing with the Philadelphia Eagles he was asking yeah is he is he expected back next week and from what I've seen I think he sent out a snap face or insta pic or whatever saying I'm back yes no boomer right my face my face instead I'm back so whether he is or not there's nothing official but he was setting out pictures in social media saying that he was yeah this backfield just a mess but you know what's not a mess down to Devonta Smith you know the connection he has with Jalen Hertz he is having a great rookie season and I feel comfortable with Devonta Smith every week does does anyone not feel comfortable there does uh so you guys want to play a game real fast real fast game well let me throw something out here real quick I hear a throw it at me I wouldn't say I'm not comfortable but I'm not necessarily as sold as everybody else only because he's not getting a huge amount of targets especially with Jalen Hertz the way he's passing the ball yeah he had two touchdowns but he only had four catches for 66 yards like the past three games he said six targets three targets you know I think he's going to be a lot more boom bust the rest of the season than many people are anticipating with the what you know the past two games that he's had yeah I mean well who would you rather have Brandon Cooks or Devonta Smith Devonta Smith Devonta Smith oh man okay so how about T Higgins or Devonta Smith T Higgins T Higgins oh wow okay um that was a whole list wow in there I like that I beat him I'd rather have both Brandon Cooks and T Higgins over Devonta Smith Brandon Cooks or unanimous except for the Brandon Cooks one Josh is on the opposite side there okay okay but yeah so all in all this was hold on let's get this on the Denver side of the ball well I do want to mention that Dallas Goddard also got knocked out of the game so don't put too much stock in his two catches we'll we'll you gotta keep an eye on what this injury looks like but on the Denver side of the ball it was again it was a mess they did not look good on the offensive side of the ball but Melvin Gordon Devonta Williams both looked pretty solid but it doesn't look like there's going to be any separation between these two going forward guys is this one true or false Melvin Gordon Devonta Williams are the same going forward in fantasy Simon what do you think yeah true I mean they're both RB twos in this offense if one of them gets the full workload they'd be in RB one no questions asked both of them it doesn't matter which one they gave it to but the way they're using them now it makes perfect sense for this Denver Broncos offense keep running Devonta Williams and Melvin Gordon the way they are it's frustrating for fantasy but they're both good backs they're both relatively efficient with the work they're being given and they're going to continue to use them that way there are be twos yeah yeah I think it's also a true Jerry Judy was the most efficient receiver like he's been a mess I I don't even know if you can feel comfortable starting Cortland Sutton well other than that no fan got five catches six targets 59 yards and that's the Broncos as they fall here I gotta say our Cortland Sutton has not gotten more than 10 points in the last four weeks and you know who was there three of those weeks Jerry Judy I still do you explain the first week then Jay magic anxiety about Jerry Judy he said oh shit I better get people ready for when Jerry Judy comes easy man to this this expectation I think Jerry Judy is still I said I put out a video earlier this week I think he's still a screaming by low I do think the offense is going to have better days he had his most targets on the season with nine targets I think he's the alpha in this wide receiver core and I think he can put up wide receiver two numbers very easily I full agree with you Jay and I think in a dynasty format if people are still valuing Jerry Judy low go try to trade for him right now when you talk about the best route runners in the NFL I'm not going to sit here and say Jerry Judy is number one but he's a name that has to be brought up whenever you talk about just running clean routes and that is an underappreciated skill for receivers I love Jerry Judy and I'm sorry he loves you too he does yeah we talked on the phone in my dreams the other day guys we are going to move on to the next game Carolina versus Arizona in this one in Carolina got up big and stayed up 34 to 10 the final score over the eight in one Arizona Cardinals without Kyler Murray this week the player everybody wants to talk about this week Colt McCoy tears Marshall Cam Newton came back and his first two touches had two touchdowns a rushing touchdown and then they faked the run any through the ball I'm I want to jump right into this question because I think there's a lot of good conversation to be had JL will start with you and go down Cam Newton where do you rank him for the rest of the season it's that's impossible to do considering that he is not I don't care you there today and if they I'm assuming that he starts next week I would hope you started next week Kirk cousins Kirk cousins Kirk cousins it's close though with the rushing game and they said they're giving him an opportunity to win the job for 2022 Hey man we said earlier Jlan Hertz is a cheat code for fantasy football he's not good I think Cam Newton's rushing ability is better he's got a better chance to get a rushing touchdown on any given week than any other quarterback in the NFL hey hey hey he's a top 12 option rest of season if he's the starter he's got better wide receivers he's got arguably the best running back in his backfield I'm not happy about it but like Cam Newton if he's the starter for the Panthers he's the top 12 fantasy option rest of season because of the way rushing and rushing touchdowns are counted for fantasy quarterbacks Josh yeah he's not top 12 for me he's a top in running quarterback two kind of deal for me like Simon said the touchdowns are flowing and the injuries aren't a hitting and Christian McCaffrey isn't scoring all the time because yeah he's he's going to be good in fantasy yeah I tend to agree with you Josh it seems like we're on the same page today but yeah I do think Simon I agree if he goes out there and looks the way that he did the first half of the season last year with the Patriots I think he can be a top 12 option but until I see him do it I'm going to put him you know 15 18 around that mark somebody who if he is somehow still available in any league he's definitely worth picking up because he still does have that upside especially with the the rushing production so do you know who QB 15 on the season through nine weeks is? Mack Jones Teddy Bridgewater would you rather Cam Newton or Teddy Bridgewater rest of season? Cam Newton yeah but I'm not ranking Teddy Bridgewater as the number 15 quarterback okay that's fair that's fair he's more like I'm just saying we say not top 12 then we look at the guys 13 14 15 has to fall in but yeah I think we're in the same range just different by a couple spots man even though he did have a little bit of a scare he went to the blue tent Christian McCaffrey does Christian McCaffrey things 13 rushes 95 yards he did not get the rushing touchdown that went to Cam Newton and Chua Hubbard he had 10 catches for 66 yards he's back to being the top tier option that everybody expected when he's going to be on the field is there any concern you know he was like I said he went to the blue tent he was seen on the sideline trying to it looks like I think somebody fell on his leg he was working on you know rubbing using a football to try to work out the cramp or whatever it was in his hammy are you concerned about him being able to stay healthy the rest of the season with this usage JL we'll start with you yeah I mean it's a hamstring injury and those can linger so there's absolutely concern there but he looked great when he was playing this game I think Josh mentioned earlier the game script might have might have helped them to be able to not you know not want to not need to push him too hard in the second half of this game but it's normal concern and if he's playing he's Christian McCaffrey so you're playing him it's kind of he makes it really easy for for any fantasy managers out there yeah Josh I feel I'm not worried about Christian McCaffrey I guarantee he plays the rest of the season he doesn't get injured I can absolutely guarantee that why are you saying like that I'm joking I don't know I think it'll be fine I really do I really yeah Simon yeah I'm not I'm not too concerned if they're playing on my assume he's fine and I think the Panthers will manage his workload if necessary but I mean we look at this today he didn't score a touchdown and he got over 20 fantasy points Howard like you can't be too concerned like come on 13 carries and he's going to still get to over 20 fantasy points yep absolutely on Christian McCaffrey yep and what was encouraging too is that the game was pretty much at a hand and even after he went into the tent he still went back into the game so I agree I think almost scored another touchdown yeah he should have yeah he came he was this close to two touchdowns so 10 receptions 10 targets if this isn't a monster game enough for three of the monster games are coming for Christian McCaffrey just wait can you imagine he throws a receiving touchdown and a rushing touchdown on the back of this which is well within the range of outcomes he's people are if they're still down on him that's it's going to be corrected soon it when you said that I thought you said like him throwing a touchdown I mean yeah McAfrey could do it all like why not but you know Colt McCoy on the other side of the ball Colt McCoy was he looked pretty good last week yeah not so much he finished with at least in my league 0.18 points he looked terrible granted he didn't have Deandre Hopkins but it just this offense couldn't get going from the get go James Connor disappointed Christian Kirk 7 catches 58 yards Simon will start with you is there anything worthwhile that's a takeaway from this game or you just throw it away with Kyle no Kyler Murray no Deandre Hopkins I mean you said James Connor was disappointing but he still put up a decent line I know 10 carries 39 yards but he got in the end zone in a weird game script for the Cardinals especially for a non receiving back like James Connor like that's not what he is prototyped as to still put up 13.9 fantasy points and half PPR scoring year you're happy with that if anything this was confirmation that James Connor should be an every week starting fantasy this was about as bad of a game script as it can get for a running back with his skill set and he still was fine and the Panthers defense is really good the Panthers have a great defense and underrated defense yeah this was truly about as bad as it can get game script wise plus a defense and James Connor was still good enough for fantasy now having said that he he didn't have an efficient game he did get a touchdown that's really what saved his game but three catches isn't bad you'll take three catches with James Connor skill set so as long as Chase Edmonds isn't in the lineup James Connor is in your lineup every catch is 25 receiving yards that's almost a touchdown so take that whole day yeah jail yeah I completely agree with you all yeah guys we are we're wrapping up we're approaching the end here I know everyone wants to get over to Sunday night football the Raiders and the Chiefs have already kicked off so we are going to go watch that I know you guys are going to go do that too before we do that though I want to remind everyone if you haven't done so already if you're watching this on YouTube 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Yep I'm with Josh Jay? Yep and you got a unanimous yes silence I don't think it was coincidence what Dawson Knox was doing to start the season so hold on to him a little bit more we are out of here for this week though thank you everyone for tuning in we will be back next week same time same place so make sure to come hang out for the Sunday night recap next week until then adios everybody adios