 Okay, good morning. My name is Betsy Ko and welcome, welcome to one of our monthly zooms for new and newish members at WikiTree. So this session is really driven by all of you who are attending. Sometimes we have a volunteer from among the audience who wants to let us look at their profiles, graciously allows us to do that and we use that as a jumping point. Today we don't have any volunteers. If anyone wants to spontaneously, Linda, okay, Linda has volunteered, great. And Paul, Paul, you've been before, am I right? I recognize. I was here once before like maybe six months ago or eight months ago. You're a pilot, right? Yeah, you have a great memory. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, welcome back. Okay, so Paul and Linda, fantastic. Do we have anyone who is a brand new, like say less than two months member of WikiTree? Linda, okay. All right. And so, you know, you can ask questions by, you know, doing the zoom, raise your hand or, you know, physically or virtually and or put it in the chat. A little bit about me, I've been on WikiTree for four years. I've been doing genealogy seriously since 2015. And WikiTree, I stumbled, like many people just stumbled across it in a search, looking for one of my ancestors. And I found a research note on her profile, which really impressed me because it sort of expanded on an issue of uncertainty that I was grappling with myself. And I thought, wow, that's really cool that they take the effort to, you know, put a place for expanding on things like that. And then I joined and slowly I got hooked. And here I am. Now I'm deeply involved. I'm a member of the, let's say the England, Wales, Canada, and Scotland projects. We have many geographically based projects. And I'm also a member of the Mentors Project, which is one of our functional projects that, well, as you can imagine, helps people get their way around WikiTree. We have other projects like the Greeders and the Rangers and the Connectors and the Sorcerers. So there's so many areas on WikiTree where you can get involved. So it's, I encourage you to jump in. And I've got three extremely knowledgeable WikiTreers with me today. So I'll let them introduce themselves. Hillary from Wales. Yeah. I've been on WikiTree since 2011. I've, one of the WikiTree Greeders, I'm also another mentor. And I'm a project coordinator for the England and Wales projects. I'm actually project coordinator for the Orphan Trail on the England project now. I've changed my role since I last did one of these. So I know I'm quite knowledgeable on the English research. And much of the Welsh research is very similar. But I'm not quite such an expert as some are on the Welsh research, mainly because I haven't done my own. So I'm quite happy to help if I can. Wonderful. And Steve? Yep, I'm Stephen. And I'm a Germany specialist, I would like to say, because of my big German background. About 90% of my ancestry is German. So I am a member of Germany project. I work with members like Flo and some of my cousins. And I'm also in the Notables project. So I am constantly contributing to profiles like that, you know, if the recent death occurs for a notable, I'm usually on top of that too. And now with the World Project, I would be interested in starting the Tanzania project, because I have interest in that country. And I've been there and actually ties into my German research a little bit. So that's something that's around the corner, depending that that gets approved. So I have, you know, a couple areas of interest different one place studies and one name studies, other little, you know, side projects. So yeah, generally, I try to consider myself a well-rounded genealogist on WikiTree, since I started in 2020, you know, but I have my focuses too. And Murray, Murray is our expert in apps and DNA and many other things. Hi, I'm Murray Maloney. I joined WikiTree in December of 2019, just before the pandemic started. So I had lots of time to learn WikiTree. As Betsy mentioned, I work with the apps team. I do the documentation for the web browser extension, and for Greg Clark's fan chart and his new super big family tree that's coming up. On genealogy, I concentrate mostly on the east coast, Akkadian, Quebec and Maine. And I've been doing some work with DNA. I just did some work writing the Akkadian DNA sources pages to explain to Akkadians how to write DNA confirmations and do all that stuff. So they're doing a lot of that this week, the last week. And then I come on here with Betsy every now and then and try and help out. Yeah, wonderful. I feel really lucky to have three of you on with me this morning. It's great. I know between all of us, hopefully we can answer all the questions. So if anyone feels at a certain point like we're in over your head and you need us to, you know, like do something more basic, please, please let us know, because we want this to be geared towards where you are. Now, Murray mentioned something called the wiki tree browser extension, which is an extension you can get, which really changes your whole experience of wiki tree. I know certainly in my first year and a half, I would say of being on wiki tree, I heard about extensions and what game changers they were, and I wasn't ready for those yet. And wiki tree browser extension is what we call a WBE. It's extremely powerful. I have disabled it for this morning so that in case you are less experienced on wiki tree, what you'll be seeing on my screen is what you similar to what you see on your screen. There is one browser extension called Sorcerer that we will use and that's a little more focused and it's extremely helpful. So the other thing my plan besides showing Paul and looking at Paul and Linda's profiles is I do have a profile to create from scratch to link to on Thursday night I created somebody and I'm going to add his wife on if we're interested in that. Paul, WBE stands for wiki tree browser extension. There's Murray's putting a link into the help page in the chat. We can absolutely look at that maybe a little towards the end of the hour. So Paul, Linda, who wants to go? I have a quick thing I think on and this one's on the wiki website. Okay, it's my ancestor, my great-grandfather, my grandfather. The ID number is do you need the name or just the number? Oh yeah, I need the name. Okay, very, V-E-R-R-Y and then the number is 25325. 25325. Okay, let me share my screen and we'll pull it up. Okay, you guys. Oh, that's not ready. No, is that not the profile? No. Well, no, no, I haven't pulled up. This is the gentleman that we created. I just had to get to 25325. And by the way, so I have this profile ID number and if you have that you can just plug that in here and it will take you, should take you. I thought that was searching only to watch list. Oh, I'm so sorry. I haven't had enough coffee yet. Okay. Up here, seriously. 25325. Okay, that would search my own personal watch list and okay. Is that your guy? Yes, yes. So you'll see down where I've entered all his brothers and sisters and it's saying half and they're not half. Okay, when I go in it looks like I've put the same mother and father but I don't know what I did there. Okay. So let's look, let's look at the parents. Okay. Well, so he was the husband. So they are all the children of Emily May? Yes. Yes. Okay, so let's look at her and let's see what would be the difference between say, Reginald and Amelia because they're showing up as half. So, oh, beautiful picture. Did we click on the right one? Because that's the wife. Should we click on the mother? Is that, wait a minute. Because that's what creates the house, correct? So it's Amelia. No, we want the mother. Yes. Okay. Okay. So we are the question is what's the difference between Reginald and Amelia, the daughter? Yeah, let's have both of them pulled up so we can compare. Well, okay. Well, yeah. There's two Amelia chart berries. Yes. One's the daughter and one's the mom. Right. Right. But they have, do they have different? So this is the daughter. This is the mother. Yeah, I don't have a father. And I see that she doesn't have a father link to her. No. This is the mom, right? Yes. This is the mother of Reginald. Right. Mother of Reginald. There are two of her. And then if I hold on to Reginald. Chartra 39 and Chartra 38 are the same person. They need to get emerged. That's why it's doing it. Because there's a mother and a daughter with both Amelia. Now if I go to Amelia, she should know, here's the daughter and she, the mother is Chartra 39 and the daughter is Berry 25327. Let's go ahead and click on Thomas Alexander and CB's got two wives that are the same person. Thomas Alexander. Okay. Yeah. Let's go ahead and click on. Yep. Okay. So it's only linking to the one. Now is that the one that has the other children or is that the one that only has Reginald as a child? Just in case there's multiple Amelia's here that are connecting in. Because that would produce our half situation if that's the case. No. Chartra 38 does not have a husband. Sorry. Wait, what? So let's click on this Amelia and see if that's the same one we just looked at. Because if that's a different Amelia, then it's going to have different children. We just looked at here's Amelia the mother. Right. And that one, ah, so that's the duplicate. That one has all those children. The other one only had him, the first person we were looking at as Reginald. Reginald. He has not one of the children here. That's why they're all coming up as halves. So if we merge these two Amelia's together, the halves will go away. Okay. So 38 and 39. Okay. So this Amelia, the mom, born January 13 to 1837. And then if I just go up here and I look at nine, yeah, you have a duplicate. And there's the Reginald connection. So we just need to merge together. How can you tell that? How do you see that? I'd never would have found that. Well, I'm just I'm just comparing the names and the birth birthday is precisely the same for years of looking at this. Yeah. Yeah, I probably yeah, the birth dates and death dates are the same. The information is the same. It's the same person. So this was created on December 4th. The other one was preexisting. And Linda, not too, not too long. Yeah, Linda, your your same day of both of them. So that'll be easy to merge. I have a question before you merge them. Sure. Yeah. Can I see this in a tree version? And in the tree version, wouldn't there be two people that you could obviously see? Let's see. Hmm. The descendants chart. The descendants chart. No, I probably should look from her. I should look from maybe Reginald. Again, Reginald is only going to attach to one because they shared the father. The father's the shared connection here. But the mothers are different for the different children. If you go to a descendant chart for Thomas Alexander Berry, I think. Yeah. Okay. So he is the father. Okay. Descendants. So one of these is not connected. Something funny is happening here. Yeah, you can't tell, can you? We should just go ahead and merge them and then see what happens. Thomas Andrew Berry listed the top and the bottom of this photograph. Oh, no. Scroll up a little more. Okay. Now I'm lost again. Yeah. It says he married Amelia Shartra. He's the father of nine children. So this is the tree of Thomas and Alexander Berry, correct? He's. And if you scroll to the very bottom, is he listed again? Well, this is just his profile. Okay. So when you click on ancestors or descendants, it expands on the profile of you. And who do we think was disconnected or not put into this tree right? I mean, that's two of Amelia's. Reginald. The mother, Paul. So Paul, what we did is we looked and saw that there were a bunch of half siblings. Yes, which is a big red flag. Red flag. So okay. So now we look at, well, who are the parents on each of these? Let's see if there's an issue. Well, it looked like the same names on every one of them, right? The same mother, same father. But then when we took a closer look at the mother, we discovered that in one case, the mother had a bunch of children. And then in the other case, the mother had only one child. Which would make sense. And so then we looked at the ID numbers of the two of them and saw that there was a difference. So we think there's two mothers named Amelia. Yeah, then there are. And so if we merge them, then they become the same person, which is who they actually are. And Bob's your uncle. So yeah, version, version one, where she's got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight children. And then that's a Charta 38. And if I just go to Charta 39, I've got the same birth and death dates and one child. And so yeah, it's, it's a merge that needs to be done. And as I said, it's more straightforward because Linda is the manager of both profiles. And we would want to merge 39 into 38 because 38 is the first number and it has the most information. So we can do that right now. And Betsy, I've just noticed that your profile preview is disabled. Well, I have the browser extension off. No, but I mean the wiki tree profile preview. What do you mean by that? There's an option in, well, we'll get to it later. We'll come back to it. Okay, because I turned wiki tree browser extension completely off. Yes. Okay. If I wasn't the author of both of them, would it not be possible to merge them? Oh, no, no. It would just, I mean, you would need to contact the other profile manager and say, you know, I propose a merge because, look, the birth dates and the death dates are the same. And, and then presumably the other person would agree. And it would just go ahead. Sometimes there are orphan profiles where there's no other profile manager. And that also makes it relatively simple to do a merge, if you think. Before we merge, can we take a look at the husband again? Because if we look at the husband, wouldn't he have married two different wives? Yeah, I didn't see that. No, the marriage isn't there. There is no marriage. You didn't connect the marriage. So where are the children without the marriage? Maybe that's what happened. I should be looking at Thomas. Yeah. So Thomas, Thomas is married, but just to, well, okay. Maybe Reginald is just attached to his, his mother and his father separately, but is, but they, for some reason, I don't know. I see. So no father was listed. No father is listed for Reginald. Is that right? Right. There's Thomas. Here's Reginald. No, he's got a father. Yeah. Well, it's kind of goofy. I don't know what happened. So maybe there's another duplicate of Thomas Alexander-Barry. Yeah. Oh, well, okay. So here's, here's something that we could do. That was just my tip of the week a couple of weeks ago is, let's see. You go to, I can't do this though, because I'm, I don't think I can do it for you, Linda. Are you comfortable screen sharing on Zoom? Yes, but I don't know what I'm doing. Okay. All right. So let me, let me make you a co-host so you can screen share. You could request it. And then on her end, she could hit the approval button. So you can go through the process of showing why they need to get merged because they'll do the side by side. And then she just has to hit the confirmation on her. Right. Right. Absolutely. But we wanted to check and see if there were other duplicates lurking out there. Okay. With you from the watch list. Yeah. So, okay. I just made you co-host, Linda. So to Thomas Alexander-Barry's potentially. So, yeah. Can you see my screen? Not yet. Am I supposed to do something? Well, at the bottom, it says share screen. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yep. And then, I guess, this one right here. Great. All right. Okay. So now, let's see. Can you go to your own profile? Or no, go under my wiki tree at the top and you'll get a pull down menu. Yeah. Are you doing it? Yeah. But yeah. Okay. Now, now click on watch list at the very bottom. There we go. Great. Okay. And now, whoops. Whoops. Go back up. Okay. Now, find matches towards the top. You've got those. On the name on the watch list. Come down. Come down. Whoops. Oops. Okay. You see you have activity anniversaries. Find matches. Oh, yeah. Yep. Okay. And we can go ahead and click find possible matches. Okay. So, this is going to cast a pretty wide net. I mean, some of them, you'll see like, oh, the name is spelled differently or the location's completely wrong. But in a sense, casting a wide net is valuable. Now, who are we looking for again? Reginald Alexander Berry. Yeah. Okay. So, who are we looking for his mother? But Thomas Alexander as well. Thomas Alexander. Yeah. So, do I just scroll down? Yeah, just scroll down. I mean, I think they're listed. Okay. Now, whoops. Possible message for Thomas Alexander Berry. No, different. That doesn't seem to be an issue. Yeah. Okay. Those are different people. Different spellings. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But there's a mileage chart just to match. Yes. You see, there's our 38 and 39. Oh, so do I click on this one? No. No. I mean, we knew this already. We had just... But there's the compare button, so we can do the merge from here, right? Sure. So, we do it. Yeah. Okay. There it is. Now, we can start the merge. Right. Just go ahead and merge. Yep. Uh, well, hold on. One way round. I was going to say that the direction of the merge is important in this case. Yeah. It already, I think it fixed. We should be going into 38, not 39. Oh. Yeah. So, ID 2 should be 38. 39 should be merged into it, because this is the final ID on the bottom. And also, 38 has more information than 39 does anyway. So, we're moving Reginaldo over, basically. Let's do a compare. Let's just make sure we're comparing everything here, so you can see them both side by side now. The ADATA should be identical. If there's any inconsistencies, it'll ask you. We can see that one of them is not married to Thomas, and the other one is. So, the more complete one already has the Thomas connection, the one where it's just a mother-to-son relationship is going to get merged into the more complete one. Yeah. But to be clear, you're not going to lose any information. No. So, like that 1841 census data, like that could be carried over to the other one on the right. But it appears that it. I can go back and put that stuff in anyway. But so, now where do I go? So, go towards the bottom of this screen. If it continues to allow you to go to the bottom, it should. Oh, something about. That might be an internal screen. Is that the bottom? The problem is there's two side-by-side columns. Linda had an initiative to merge. Okay. So, go back up to the top of the screen for total. Initiate a merge here? No. Why don't you just go back with your browser? Go back one step, since we already know they're the same profile. So, now we can hit the word merge. And then you can go and actually compare the data. So, if there's anything that needs to get moved over, you can click on these little buttons to move that information over. Further right now, it looks like everything else is the same. The text is done. Don't do it yet. This is important because the text is what's actually going to change a little bit. We have that extra 1841 census that we'll want to keep record of, even though it's not a proper citation. So, you can actually enter that into the new biography that's being merged in here. But can you go back up the top a little bit just to see what it says? Okay. So, underneath, spouse. Back down a little bit. Or down. Okay. Okay. Spouse. A little bit down. Okay. So, you see text from. Charter is 38 and text from 39. So, if you look on both of them, it won't hurt me. I can only do what I want. New text. Please see edit below. Do not click this in the list. There was going to be some kind of warning there when you float it over it. Do not click this after you have edited. It's gone. But if we know what it was, we can simply enter it into the text. So, we know it was 1841 census. So, you can type it into the text. And then you can preview it and then confirm the merch to make sure that you have everything you need. Because it's mentioned in 1851. So, you know, if you want to throw this into the sources section, just type in like 1841. And then, you know, you'll need to do research on it, obviously. That way you don't lose a need. I'm just learning how to use the source for a thing. And I'm more than happy to go back and put it in using the sorcerer. But for now. Okay. Okay. So, you don't want to do it right now then? No. Okay. Seems like it's going to be complicated. No, it's fine. All right. Understood. So, go ahead and confirm the merch then. Just will take a moment. Merge has been completed. Go ahead and click on Amelia Charter Berry's profile now on that top tab. Dear Laugh to go down. That works too. Now, she should have all the children connected. There's Reginald. There's Thomas Alexander as the father. Go ahead and click on Reginald now. And now they're not half siblings. Thank you. Here we go. You guys are life savers. Thank you. Yeah. It's a little bit of a bugger, especially considering, you know, when you have to look at both profiles, see what's up with them. But this is a classic example of, you know, why we merge and why we want to get that data to be, you know, consistent between those two sources. Great. Yeah. Well, thank you. Okay. Shall we move over to Paul and then Linda, we can come back if we have time. Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm good. I just have some other general questions, but I'm happy to go to Paul's place. We can finish with Linda's. I'm learning so much. I don't have a specific question. I'm just, we can continue with Linda's. Well, I just, one of my questions is, is there a way, this doesn't pertain to Reginald Alexander, but is there a way to put divorce in? Is there somewhere that I haven't found that, like you have a marriage and then they're divorced? Yeah. So go under edit. Just, we're not going to edit, but it's easy to show you. Okay. And if we look on the, keep going down to his marriage, spouse number one. Okay. So what you would want to do is edit, go down again. So now, edit marriage to Emily. And so you would be able to put an end date to the marriage. What if I don't have the date though? You could put in what, I mean, you probably have an approximate date, right? Not necessarily, like if it's great, great ancestors that I have no idea when they got divorced, I just know they did. Well, okay. So if you had even an approximate date, you could put it in even a year here and say uncertain or approximate. And you could, well, the reason, the explanation could be a variety of things. You may or may not have a record. It just could be family information. I have a question about that though. So is the death of a spouse reasonable to use as a marriage end date? Yes. I do. So did they get divorced or was it because someone passed away? Divorced. Okay. So they actually get divorced, but you don't have a source for it, then you would just estimate until you get more information. And I've got a question. Yep. So what if we just clicked uncertain, approximate and didn't put anything in there? It wouldn't that tell WikiTree, this marriage did end. We just don't know when. Never done that before. You could either. I just, I just wondered. I don't know how carefully people read the bios. It would be such a small thing. For me, my preference would probably be to put in a research note or incorporated in the bio that at some point the couple divorced, we're not sure when, and state why you think that or know that. So let's break WikiTree. Let's see if it works. Don't need to do it. Do it. Why couldn't you just put the marriage date in and say after this date? Oh, that's great. Go ahead and click the button and let's see if it gives us an error. It worked. Yes. So where do I see that it ended then here? Under. Husband of. Oh, do I go down where it's under? No. No, sorry. But it doesn't display because there is no data to display. So even though you click the button, it doesn't have a data point to associate with it. So now it still won't say it. But if somebody goes into the metadata and actually tries to edit it, they'll see that somebody was said it was uncertain. See that? That's another step now. Oh, you can go back to edit. In here, like where I go back to the top. Yep. Edit and just unclick what you did. Oh, you've got to edit the marriage on the right hand side. No, actually, I don't know if you can unclick a button once it's been clicked. It might look for another selection. Edit. It doesn't unclick once you click it to kind of lock in. I think it's okay because it's not showing up. Right. It's not displaying anything because there's no data point to display. Right. Right. Should I put an explanation that there was no divorce? Well, you don't have to do that. I mean, you've already saved it. It's just an extra edit that doesn't do anything. So you're fine. I would really encourage putting something in the bio because people are going to look at the bio. Or make a research note. So you can back out of this page. We can just edit the text of the bio itself. Go back to Reginald or Emily? No, just go ahead and click the back button. Or is that a new window that opened up? Yeah, it's a new window. Yeah, just close the tab. So now we're on the edit of the correct profile. Yeah, he was married to Emily. Right. So Emily, the back data can be put into the bio below. So the bio should be down there. There it is edit text. Okay. We can put that in between his born in 1877 and passed away information because that's automatically generated by Wickey Tree. You want to recreate it for a while, but you can always change it and make it better. Yeah. Yeah, just type away. What am I putting in here? Just they were married until they died. And at some point, they'd have worse. Oh, they didn't. They didn't. No, we were just experimenting. I see. I see. I thought we could undo it. And so I thought we were just... Oh, no. Let them down the path of undoing. Should I take Reginald right out of here and redo them? No, no, no, no. No, no. But we can always make changes. We can always change anything. And nothing is set in stone. It's just those buttons don't really un-click. That's the only problem is once you click those buttons. Okay. But you can just click another button. You're back into edit the marriage? I mean, we are uncertain about something. We don't have a data point. When you actually get the data point figured out, then you can hit certain. Like, that's when you make the change. So you can keep that whatever. It doesn't actually affect anything by having uncertain collect. Because we don't have a date right now. Well, because they're not the worst. They didn't. Exactly. Exactly. Right. I mean, what I sometimes do, we're on Reginald's profile, right? Who died first? Emily or Reginald? But that is my fault for committing to it. Right. I think Emily died first, I think. 19th September, yes. Yeah. So, I mean, you could say that the marriage ended on her death date. I do that. Oh, I see. That is a legitimate thing to do, too. Okay. Brom salt. Okay. But don't hit it yet. Okay. Oh, sorry. It's approximate, girl. It's approximate? It says about. So, I mean, you can go back in and edit it again. This time, you can select exact. And then it will take that word about out. Oh, I see. Okay. So, if you want to go up to edit. Oh, my God. I feel like that. So, we'll just do it one more time. It's fine. You get three free edits out of this. Okay. I feel like Boris Gump here. That's okay. So, now it's certain. All right. Now we know for certain. She died on September 19, 1944. They're not married anymore because she's dead, right? And you could just say if you want death of Emily. Yeah. So, there's your change explanation for your edit summary. Death of Spouse or, yeah. Okay. Now, we can say the marriage changes. And, yeah, go ahead and do that. Now, it will actually say to 19 September 1944. And that's at least in the data section. If you wanted to still add it to the biography to make it sound a little bit more, you know, flowy, readable. That's what I usually do is increase the biography information. But, yeah, there you go. There's the basic change to the marriage. Okay. Thank you. Sorry, it took a couple of steps to get to it. That's all right. So, and one more quick question. And I'm done on these things someplace that says, oh, it's been accessed 34 times. Is that all me or are there other people? It could be. I mean, you can't really tell. But they count me every time I go in. Yeah, they do. They do. Go up on your changes. Go across. Yep. There you go. And that shows you, I mean, if you've done 34 edits or whatever otherwise, then no, it looks like other people. The Betsy has been here and other people may have visited it. I mean, it's been a week since it's been created. So, however many times you visited it, this is adding that up. You said there was a Betsy. Where do you see that? No, no. Betsy is the host. Just now, like 20 minutes ago, I visited the profile. So, I would have, that would have counted. Okay, got it. Okay. That's it for me for now. Okay, wonderful. Thank you for your understanding. Let me, I just want to check in with Julianne before we go to Paul. Because Julianne, you said that you were a brand new member. Have we lost you? Do you have questions? How can we help? Is Julianne still with us? I'm here. Sorry, I was, I had to get back to my mic. Can you hear me okay? Yes, we can hear you. Okay, great. No, it's interesting to see what is possible on here. I was just making a profile. I think I might have made a profile like a month ago, but I can't remember. Is it a problem if I have two profiles? You don't want more than one profile for us, for the same person. Okay. That's what I was just wondering. Okay. So, I'll just go in and I want to change my email address that I have it attached to. So, I have to figure out which one I used. Is that more of a WikiTree team thing then if she has two profiles as a contributor? Julianne, do you mean two profiles for yourself or two profiles for one of your families? Well, I actually didn't make a second one. I was just thinking of making one and then, but then I asked you. So, I didn't make it. Yeah, the only situation in which an active member would have more than one profile is if they're an adoptee. And then WikiTree does allow you to have two profiles, your biological and your adopted profile. Oh, that's neat. Yeah, but you have to pick one as your primary. So, you have to pick up one email address to register with them. Okay. Yeah, okay. Special cases. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Sounds good. Anyone actually is an example of one. Okay. Yeah. No, it's helpful seeing the different functions that are possible. And my understanding is basically it's one family tree for the whole world. Is that right? Correct. Okay. So, it's not really correct to talk about, well, my tree, you could more say my branches on a global tree. Got it. The 36 million person world tree that we all interconnect into. Yeah, that's neat. One question I have is, like, I've been doing stuff with Ancestry, but I would like to stop having to pay for it. And I understand there's, like, other reasons to not put your stuff on Ancestry necessarily. But so, what do you guys recommend? Like, where do you keep your stuff? I mean, on WikiTree only, or do you also have, like, a desktop program? Well, I think that's a very individual, subjective question. Speaking for myself, I do still maintain an Ancestry subscription. I sort of, like many of us, I hop on and hop off when I get a deal. Right. Because it does have some records that FamilySearch does not have. And it allows me, as you've seen already, before you create a profile on WikiTree, you have to do a little homework, you know, you have to at least know the correct name and birth date in place, death date in place. Oh, okay, okay. Sometimes when I'm doing a project, I do what I call a quick and dirty tree on Ancestry, because I know I'm vetting things, but the way that that program is configured allows me to just add, like, boom. Yes. Right. And Ancestry is fine. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just saying it's fun. Yeah. So I was going to add, oh, sorry, you want to go ahead, Merly? You're muted, by the way. I just, that actually just leads me to a question because there's, you know, there's, I actually started on FamilyTreeMaker when it was just a desktop before there was stuff. And I had, you know, like lots of stuff in there. And so I've got the JEDCOM and, and that's what I was impressed by WikiTree is that it wouldn't let me just dump stuff in there. And I thought, well, gee, okay, I can get it. I have to keep comparing. And I am finding that there's already a lot of stuff out there. But I had played with Jeannie when I was deciding which way to go, because I didn't want to pay Ancestry. There was an entire way back with a free version that I had dumped my stuff from FamilyTreeMaker into Ancestry. And only WikiTree, to my knowledge, is actually trying to keep the data clean, saying you're going to have to compare these records one by one. And, you know, and only let them in if you know they're good. Okay, I say that as background. Because then it seems as though I often see citations to Ancestry. And I feel like, well, why is that a good citation if Ancestry doesn't really? You can have citations to Ancestry to the actual records, to the actual images of the parish records or whatever other record it is. I see. So that seems to be reasonable. You know, that's what I use. I mean, I will put an Ancestry source. Because it's got that image there. Even if I've got something from, say, FamilySearch or I've got the copy of the record for self, I still will put in, if I've got something with an image on, I would probably put that in to my own profiles. Yeah, that makes sense. Because it's sort of like Ancestry seems to have the lock on certain records that you can't get to certain. At least I've run into a little bit. And I know that we can go to some of the libraries that will have access to it. But it's sometimes like a ship records for immigrants manifests. Then I'll find that Ancestry has it. And of course, I can't get to it. Let me just show on the profile that I created on Thursday night. And actually, if you are with me on Thursday, I spent a little time after we adjourned and just did a mass import from FamilySearch. I had earlier that morning, I had vetted all of those sources on FamilySource. And there is a way that's beyond the scope of today's discussion. There's a way to just bring them all over, which is what I did. And they're formatted this way. But you can see that for his death record, that was not on FamilySearch. And the death record had some very key pieces of information, his mother's maiden name, that I wanted to be sure to document. So I did hear this citation that gives an Ancestry sharing link. I don't know if I click on this. Tell me if you see this. It's working. Good. This is what Sorcerer will do for you for an Ancestry record. And so here's a hack. If you don't have an Ancestry subscription, you can take a screenshot of this and then that will allow you to blow it up. Because if I just try and blow it up this way, it gets fuzzy. But not if you take a screenshot. You've done that intentionally. Yes. Yep. Yep, it did. So if you take a screenshot, are you allowed to bring it over as a photo into this record on Wiki, or is that even enough? If you're using Sorcerer, it will bring in the link for you. No. They want the image. Oh, for the image. I've added a thing from Ancestry today. Is this a copywritten item, basically? Can Ancestry say, oh, it's ours when really it's public record? And that's the thing. Right. They have their contract law that's trying to override the copyright law in certain situations. So I mean, I don't tend to mess with it. But at the same time, there's lots of things that they claim are, there's only when they really don't have access to them. Like exclusive access to them? Right? It's not that they own the record. They obviously don't. But they have gone to the effort of putting together an index of all these records and putting it into a catalog. And so they deserve credit for that. Okay. That's the first thing. Second thing, in terms of copyright law, well, I don't know in terms of copyright law. What I do know is in terms of Chris Whitten law, Chris prefers that we not copy images of sources from other sites and bring them over to Wikitrade. He prefers that we have links to them. Who's Chris Whitten? Chris Whitten is Mr. Wikitrade. 15 years ago, he founded Wikitrade. Yep. But here's the thing, I can't remember who. Supposing you were looking at my profile or the profile I had created and you saw the source from Ancestry. You don't have Ancestry. Well, they could just copy my source citation, right? From my profile over to another profile. That would be legal, right? Yeah. But presuming that you've got a source citation on a particular profile, presumably that source citation, for most things, is only going to be relevant to that particular person, unless you're doing a census or something, and then it's only going to be that family or whatever. So it's not going to be relevant. That image is only going to be relevant for a certain number of people. Of course. Of course. But if, I mean, it's a specific situation, but if it did. This is a whole other conversation. I am not well versed in nothingness, but I certainly don't mess with it when I don't have to. No. So the important thing to me is that we've identified an event in someone's life. We've identified that there is a record about that event. And we want to put that information into the profile. Now, we don't have the actual source. We don't have the actual document. And if we did, it would be kind of useless to us because we don't have any provenance for it, right? So actually being able to cite a source like FamilySearch or Ancestry gives us more credibility because they've indexed it, right? So there's some provenance behind it. So the point is, though, that we want to just get to the profile so that we can prove that there was an event that it is recorded. And the fact that we don't have the original source, well, that's too bad, but we've got this fact. And the fact is really the important thing, right? And yes, it would be nice if we had all the original sources and we could trot them out. But let's be realistic. We can't always do that. But what we can do is we could document the facts. Yeah. And just in case anyone's unfamiliar with the term provenance, it just means where something came from. So if you dig a little deeper on Ancestry when you're looking at a record, you're going to see like, oh, that's held at the National Archives in London. So you can see where the actual document is that they... Yeah. So it's traceable. Someone could follow the breadcrumbs to its original location if they wanted to confirm that data. That's what we're doing is creating a breadcrumb trail. Yeah. Because you might have an image of a marriage or a baptism, let's say, from a register in a church. And... But you're telling us that that image is from a register in a church. We don't know that. We want to have some way to trace it back to that register. Right? Right. That's where the sharing comes in. And that's where all those links come in. Yeah. So I was just wondering then with citing census data that sometimes I just actually put like, you know, 1890 census Denver, Colorado, or it was a Rappahoe County or whatever. I'm just kind of making something up as opposed to saying that I found a copy of that, you know, again, in a library I can get into Ancestry and then I can find that census page. And then I can say, oh, well, isn't... That's a clean citation to just cite the census, isn't it, without having... Well, I would say family search is preferred because that's free access for anyone, you know, just free membership. And the censuses, just to use your example, are pretty well covered. And is everybody familiar with the fact that when you're looking at a record on family search, there is a neat little button that the citation is created for you. And all you have to do is copy the citation. Would anyone like to see that? Yes. Okay. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go back to Linda's ancestor. Barry. Was it? Yep. Barry. All right. Reginald, because... Which was the one where you were missing the 1841 census? It was in the L.A. Reginald, it was Reginald, the youngest child was on the 1841 census. Okay. So here, let's put Sorcerer into action. So you can see on my screen I have, at the top, I have this little one. Do you see it? It can't, no, it can't be him because he was born till 1877. That's Amelia had the 1841 that we were going to add. I thought it was Amelia. I think it was Amelia. It's the one we merged. Yeah. 51, but not 41. Okay. This is the one that needs the 1841. Yep. Okay. So anyway, this little one shows you the Sorcerer app. I'm going to click on it and it brings up a whole... Do you see the source, the pull-down menu? Yes? Yes. No? Yes. Good. Okay. I'm going to search family search. It's going to pull over all the name, date, place data that you've already entered into WikiTree and it'll show me what's available. Let's see. The lady in the top probably was the right one. It just wasn't the right census. Exactly. Just the Sour V. Bridge matches. Yep. The names met. It might be attached to her. I might knit. Yeah. I'm going to see if she has a... She does have a family search profile. Oh, she was a brewer. She has 29 sources. Okay. So, wow. She hasn't got it on there. Where's the 1841? Because it's not there. Oh, that's interesting. There might have been some sort of mix up with spelling or... I mean, she would have been four. So, should be... She would have existed, isn't it? Right? Yeah. Well, anyway. All right. Just to finish my point. Let's go to 1851 and go to the web page. Now, let's go to pull something like this up. And on the left-hand side, it will say, site this record. All you do is copy. It says copied citation to clipboard. And then you can go back over to WikiTree and just, when in edit mode, paste that into your profile. And what's curious about this one is that not only is it linking to family search, it's linking to find my pass, which apparently is the original location of the data on the National Archives. Yeah. If it's badly indexed at find my pass, it will quite often be badly indexed on family search because they use their transcriptions. But this is showing me this full-out citation is telling me if I want to go to the National Archives of the United Kingdom in Q, I could do that. And I could look at the original record. Take a field trip. I've been. It was fun. So I have a question. Thank you. Oh, never mind. I have a question about Sorcer. Is that part of the WikiTree browser extension, or is it a separate app? It's a separate extension. And Murray had put the help page for Sorcer in the chat earlier. Yeah. Yeah. Underneath the browser extension, there's a Sorcer. And it might be in the chat. It's at 10 past four on my time. So 10 past the hour. Okay. I see it. Thank you. Yep. Yep. Okay. Can we do something for the profile? Okay. Murray, you're yes, but I didn't hear half of what you said. Getting rid of my hair, but. Okay. Now I'm catching everything. Any profile at all. Okay. Any profile. Yeah. Let me write down one thing that I need to make a note of. Okay. Great. Any profile at all. So let me go back where I was and I'm going to go to. Okay. My friend, Henry. All right. So now just hover over Elizabeth Schnubble shopper there, that link. Yep. Yep. And see that? See that little pop up? Yep. All right. So that's if you don't have wiki tree profile preview enabled. Okay. Yes. So go back up to the top. And open my wiki tree. And go down to your settings. Okay. Yep. And see where it says profile previews and it says disable profile previews. Oh, why did I do that? Well, you know what? For some reason, and nobody's publicly said why it happens. But periodically, that'll just toggle on. Yeah. And you know, the weird thing is I've seen it before the profile previews. And I guess I just didn't really notice that I wasn't seeing them. Right. Yeah. Can you see what it looks like now? Yeah. Let's show them what it looks like. Okay. We should have an image. We should have the data, basic data of the person. Right. Mine's still activated. Okay. Now, back to Henry. Hover over Elizabeth. And matching. Thank you, Jerry. Now, show them what you can do with this, that you can hover over Henry Seymour Schnubble, for example. Uh-huh. Well, that's yeah. And so you can browse around and you can look to see who's connected to who. And it makes it easier to see adjacent profiles. Right. Right. Nice. And on the bottom, what does the turnoff temporary mean in the bottom right hand corner? That's quite useful because it means that if you're, well, I find I use it when I'm greeting. If I'm going through a whole list of people and I'm putting comments on things, you can turn it off so that you don't, so that pop-up doesn't come on all the time. That's how people are clicking the button. They're hitting turnoff reviews for that. It could be, yeah, instead of turnoff temporarily. Yeah, they could be putting turnoff reviews. That's where it's getting toggled is they're hitting that button accidentally when they're floating through those. Well, the temporarily, do you have to go back in and re-turn it on or does it stay off? When you refresh the page, it'll come back on again. I didn't know that. Okay. I use it quite a lot, so. No. That was one of my favorite features on Wicked Tree when I joined. The previews? Yeah, it is. It is, yeah. It's something you can't do on the other. So this person has a mother that hasn't been created yet? Yes, yes. I was going to, well, we're sort of out of time, but well, if everybody would like to stay for another five minutes, I'll create her. Yeah? Okay, okay. So I'm going to go into edit mode and then go over here on the left to edit family. So what I'm now going to do is I'm going to, wait a minute. It's his, it's his wife. Okay. All right. We're good. So I'm going to add, okay. Start with creating a new profile. I don't think so. It said he was four and he had a mother and that's a mother, not a spouse. Wait a minute. Go back and double check, please. Yep. Because Henry, let's see, go look in the text really quick. Henry aged 11 was the son of Barbara Schuble. Right. I'm creating his spouse. Now he's the son of Barbara. Barbara doesn't have a profile yet. But he also married somebody and that's not on there either. Yeah. I'm creating his spouse. Okay. So you're going to create Annie Beer then? Yes, exactly. Okay. Okay. Sorry for confusion. Okay. Annie Beer. Easy for me to get lost in the branches. So, okay. So now I'm back over on my edit tab. Yes, his spouse. Create a new profile. I've done my homework. So Anna, last name at birth, beer, married name, Chubna, birth dates, 18th of July, 1868. Wait, stop, stop, stop, stop. Back up, back up. Change that J-U-L into just J. Go ahead, do it. Okay. Okay. Now tab. Tab. Wait, no, no, no. Sorry, never mind. You're not using the browser extension. Sorry. Go ahead, put J-U-L in. I was going to show you something, but. Okay. Right. Something new I don't know about. I saw that Cindy put in the chat seeing if we do something at the intermediate level. And I think that would be a great place to do a browser extension sort of stuff. Okay. So that is certain. She was born in either marriage location. Well, she was born in, I think I can get a more. Clark County, Indiana. I think I can get more specific than that, but. All right. There it is. Below Ohio. But yeah, generally we wouldn't put county in. It would just say Clark and then Indiana. So the county should be applied to anything that's a city town or village. Yep. Death dates, 19 December, 1942, certain in Louisville, Kentucky. Cross the river from Clark County, Indiana. Some county. Yep. Certain. And before you do that, her preferred name appears to be Annie, right? So should we add that? Yeah. Good, good call. Now, if she does have a middle name and there's, there will be an opportunity to add that later. Okay. So now we continue. Oh, oh, wow. Oh, wow. Okay. I see these are not matches. Yeah. I mean, a lot of these. So it's coming up with beer as in the beverage. Okay. Which beer in certain spellings is also beer? True. In German, B-I-E-R. I don't think I've ever seen this many potential matches. One of all these berries. Yeah. If you could, if you had the browser thing on, you probably could have selected it to just do it by location and it would have cut a lot of them out. Mm-hmm. Thank you. That's very helpful. I have a lot of youngs. Wow. Oh, no. Yeah. I'm glad you said it, Smith, but nicely for that. Oh, that's just me. Now, I am confident that these aren't the same person. If any of them were like really close, like in a B-I-R, but I could see like, oh, she's in a different state. So I know it's a different person. You could set a rejected match to really show that I examine this. I'm really sure this is not the same person. But in this case, I'm just going to say none of these are a match. Would that have stroked out all of them? All of those matches? It would have said they were all rejected? Well, they are, but some of them were quite far-fetched. You know, berry. We don't know. We don't want that entire list to show up at the bottom of that profile. So we actually selected them all as rejected matches. They would all show up at the bottom of that profile, and they're not even applying. So we really only want to highlight the selected matches that are close to prevent people from creating duplicates, you know, and showing that different person. So that way that the list goes away once the system already confirmed that it's not matching any of that stuff. Yeah. I made that mistake by highlighting like 25 people, and then I'm like, wait, what are all these people doing down here? Okay. So now since there is a child, I can click this because she is the mother. Elizabeth is the child of Anna. And I am going to use, as you can see that they, well, the marriage date, that's going to be my source to create her, since that's how I'm linking her in. And so she was married January 7th, 1891. Certain. Jefferson. Yes, I'll be down in a few minutes. Oh, Jeffersonville in Jefferson County. Jeffersonville, no, in Indiana. Clark County. Okay, there it is. Jefferson Township. Certain. In 1891, it might have been a township. I'm going to leave this blank. They were not divorced and one spouse died. He died before she did. So you can leave that. Now here's where, are you seeing me on FamilySearch now? Okay, so I am going to take there this one because it has an image. So again, I'm going to go to the webpage and there's my citation. Copy. I'm a weirdo. I like making articles for the initiators too. You know what I found earlier this morning? This is so cool. In 1880 census, this priest was living next door to her family. Oh, wow. So there's the connection. I know. Okay, now I go back to her profile. I just copy that in. Boom. Um, there's nothing to explain really. It's it's a marriage. Let's put it in a bullet. Well, we'll do it automatically. Are you sure? Okay. Create the profile. I can add in her middle name Marie. Did she have any other last names at all? No. Or not, was it? I can tweak the bio. She married. Now, if I want to do, oh, what was Shubnell 13, right? Shubnell 13. Should be on the sidebar too, right? True, true. She married. Now, if you want a hyperlink within a bio profile, do two square brackets. Shubnell 13. Pipe, that's a vertical thing. Henry Shubnell. Close double brackets. I have a question about that. Yeah. So as long as you get the last name dash 13, correct? Can you, like, if you put Hank Shubnell, it would still hyperlink to him, wouldn't it? It is. Basically, I'm finding it doesn't have to be exact. Like, if the middle initial doesn't have to be there or... Right, right. Okay. If you're talking about the left-hand side, it has to be identical to the name of the profile. But the right side can vary. Yeah, yeah, that can be whatever information. Okay, great. Yeah, don't put in Hank Shubnell 13 on the left because then it'll look for anybody with the last name of Hank Shubnell. And it has an underscore in it or something. There's the asterix that will create a bullet point. Now, I've, what have I done? I've added a source. I improved the bio very slightly. I'm going to do a full save. I know. So, why so slow? What happened to your computer? I don't know. I guess I didn't want you to save this profile. I know. And there's nothing I can do. Can I refresh? Go ahead and open a new window. All right, again, there was the error saving your updates. Are we having problems? This is unusual. Welcome to technology, everybody. Doesn't always behave. It's possible that the server is doing something. Yeah. Right now, that's preventing it from working. Right. Okay, I'm going to leave that be. It's wrapped at least. Maybe the way you don't lose your information. Yeah, yeah. Well, if we did not get to your questions today, you can reach me. I'm not going to, if Hillary and Murray and Steve are open to questions, I'll let them put their user IDs. Yep, in the chat. Just go to our profiles and send us a private message and or reply to the G2G posts. They're carrier pigeons. There are many ways to get to us. I have a whole flock. I know it's at the very end. Can I actually share my screen and ask a question? Sure. Let me make you a co-host. I ended up, I don't, I really enjoyed the session. I learned a lot. I am new to Wiki, so I don't know much. Last week, I got an email from somebody who is a project coordinator. And she had edited somebody who was I who I follow. So they sent me an email. She is a project coordinator for the Poland Europe genealogists. And had it been Tina? It was, the lady's name was Skai, S-A-Y-E, Skandala. And I'm sending, if I'm sharing the right thing, there. So I want to go back and find the project, the Poland Europe genealogist project. She sent me a link. I clicked on it. I think I followed it or joined it. But I don't know how to get back there again. What's the easiest way to get back there? Go under find. Go where? Yep, find. And now go to projects. Do you have to push people? Projects, yes. Yep, okay. And now scroll down. Actually, in the table of contents, you might see Poland. Your screen is really tiny. Poland is number 25. So there's Poland. Okay. And there's Skai's. And there it is right there. Yeah. So that would be the project? Yes. That would be the community of WikiTriers that are actively researching Polish roots and branches. So it's actually the slot. I see. Right. That's going to go to the G2G. So if you want to take a step back and go to the actual page for Poland project, so you just click on the word Poland for that. Where is that? Go back to the previous page. Yes. And then at the very top there is this Poland. Go ahead and get that. That one? Yeah. That one. Yeah. And that's Project Poland. Okay. The Tommy. Okay, that helps. The second find it again. Good, yeah. Go ahead and bookmark it and everything. You know you'll become back to it. I thought I had bookmarked it. How do I find my bookmarks to go there? Well, the little star at the top of your browser, you know, allow you to bookmark it. And then one of the little buttons, the three dot button, will allow you to go straight into bookmarks too. So wait, so slow down a sec. Where? How do we take a star? Oh, sorry. This is not how you treat it. This is your actual browser. So where you have your URL header field, go to the very far right hand side of that. Oh, okay. So you're saying bookmark it in the browser? Yeah, the browser. Here on the right? Nope. I can go back to the, nope. Go back to the edge of the URL button. You see that next to the other buttons? Or there's a star? Keep going. Oh, that star. There we go. Yes. Yep. That's your bookmark. Oh, okay. Now it's in your bookmarks folder. Okay. That makes sense. And so on WikiTree, I thought I had tagged this. Go to your profile. So up there. Just a little quick click. Yes. Okay. And let's see. Are you following? It says following. And does it say Poland or? I see Poland. It says following Poland. It has a tag. So is that where in the future is probably the easiest way to find it again? Well, that's where you're going to jump to see this list. Okay. Right. And if you click on the, see where it says 50 people are following Poland Europe? Yes. Click on that. The following or the Poland Europe? That one. Okay. I thought that was going to take you there. There you go. G to G activity. So now you can find out things that people are, you know, what are people talking about? What are people researching? And how do we get back to that Poland Europe page that had the flag and it had the information we were just looking at? Okay. We just don't marked from here. In that you can type in project and then colon, Poland. So any project pages should start with project and then the name of the project. What if I, I mean it sounds terrible, but what if I didn't remember if it was Poland Europe or Ireland Poland or Project Poland or? You can search, go to find at the very top right hand side of wiki tree. So we go to that and go to search or even go to projects. Actually you can drop down. There's projects links right there. There it is. There's the page you were on previously. But so I want to go. Like I said, I don't necessarily know if I, the name of the project is Europe Poland or Poland Europe or Poland or Poland. So I'm following this though. I should be able to find off my profile because I'm following. You can always search wiki tree through the find function. You can simply search for the text and they'll pull up a list of pages that are using that text. They'll find, we'll then have a search within that. They'll go back to find. So under find. Yes. Under find, drop down and then see how search is bolded. Yes. Right now, oops. There we go. And now that'll open up your search page. And at the bottom is where you'd search for things within pages. At the top is for actual profiles. But you say, use Google to search all wiki tree pages. You can type in Poland and then you can hit go. And that would show you all the pages that Google is indexing from wiki tree to have pulling on it. The first one should be, well, those are, those are ads. But there's Poland project. The first actual listing. That one. Yeah, that's the page. Yeah, there it is. So quick, easy way to find something. Okay. One more suggestion for you. Yeah, please. Take some time to, to take a look at the help page for the web browser extension. Yeah, I got that. I have that right there. That one. That's really helpful. You will find all kinds of things that you can use in there to help you. In particular, there's something called my menu. And so if, if there are links that you want to, you know, always have handy, you can add them to my menu and then they're just always there. That would be very helpful. Yeah, I am new to wiki tree and it is overwhelming. So I use a lot of extensions on the outside of the world, but at wiki tree, I know they will be helpful, but I think it's just too overwhelming right now to start adding on extensions. My recommendation, Paul, is start with Sorcer. That's a very powerful little extension and it's sort of targeted and How would I find Sorcer off of this list right here? It's a different page. Go where? Yeah, they're two different apps. Oh, okay. I thought it was a, it's not a browser extension. It is. It is an extension. If you look in your chat, you will find that I left links for the wiki tree browser extension. I also left the link for the wiki tree Sorcer. There it is again. I just put it in again. Right. But they are two separate things, right? Sorcer is not integrated into browser extension, correct? Or is that the case now? No, they are, they are separate. They are separate. Right. There we go. Okay. Yes. I have the link to Sorcer and do I, I'm going to share my screen. So I just need to, I have the link to Sorcer. I probably should be able to add it in myself. Oh yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Well, again, any other questions where our doors are open? Yes. Yes. And we love return participants. So please come again next month and just follow new members in your tags. I'm putting it in the chat and that way you'll get the announcement through G2G of when the generation side. This was very helpful. I was going to try to attend last one but I had a commitment so I wasn't able to attend last week. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you so much all. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.