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No copyright infringement intended all rights belong to their respective owners This countryside is Britain's big in the heart of the Essex countryside is Britain's biggest traveler side I have a half of them live there illegally and the local residents have had enough Hey illegally Okay, I've never really know how to use caravan campsite situations be working So obviously you can buy a plot or rent a plot legally and they give it to you Well, how do we probably well I put a boot on they Got that free burger is since the travelers have been Oh, so they meet face to face the local community is at breaking point Can a former you and negotiator colonel Bob Stewart uses military experience and broker a peace settlement in this troubled area Right now it's a standoff between homeowners and the travelers I've got to be clear on who's who because I'm confused. I didn't when they showed each person I didn't know who was traveling or homeowner Today they're at the right idea or not sometimes you say yes now that you're actually in a gypsy's place Do you still think that we're filled and scoped got licensed for shotguns and everything else? And if I don't talk to place that if they come in after me mob and you don't use it. You're dead now, Mr. Grigley Despite court orders establishing the majority of the travelers are there illegally. They still remain accusations of intimidation antisocial behavior and prejudice arrive on both sides Leading the fight for the travelers is Kathleen McCarthy Don't know if anybody else caught what they just did leaving the fight leading the fight for the traveler is whatever her name And look how the camera panned look where they're panned over Leading the fight for them. So you mean to tell me that they're not throwing this trash over here Or y'all not insinuating that that's what's happening by doing it like that travelers is Kathleen McCarthy. I Have run and water. I have a flush in toilet and I have electric can turn on my telly or my electric kettle whenever I want That is luxury to us people Everybody's terrified to go back on that road. Why can't we just be settled and have a bit of comfort in life and get our children Educated the same as anybody else The man who's taken it upon himself to leave the fight against the travelers is Len gridley a self-employed builder Who's waging a very public war against the encampment which now has expanded so far it backs on to his property He is a very spiteful man and a very bitter old man One day he decided to look out the back Gate and say I have nobody to love me and care for me. So I'll just pick on these gypsies at the back There's only one other person that I have ever known Tree the people I came and that was Hitler 46 year old Len has lived at Windy Ridge a four-bedroom detached house for over 15 years Len claims that it's been forced to turn his home into a fortress and that its value has plummeted It's an insult to call them gypsies and it's an insult to call them travelers. I'd call them Immigrants Breaking our laws and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. I don't want to be build my place like a prison camp I'm in the green belt, but I've got to because of them To keep them out. No lie. They both both representatives look like Hey, can I speak to your manager? Just get a manager. Well, they both giving that Lends main issue with the travelers and noise pollution and flight chipping, but recently he's received several death threats Got licensed for shotguns and everything else and I've told the police that if they come in after me my band Did I use them? For the Colonel it's a classic conflict to entrench sides and able to see any possibility of a compromise. I Don't trust them. I don't trust what they say. The only way I can find the real situation is to get on the ground meet people Actually get their view of what's happening. I'm going to do my very best These people don't realize that I'm not just a pretty face I gotta stop pausing no more pausing Colonel Bob Stuart was a former UN commander in Bosnia and the specialist in hostage negotiation He has over 25 years of military experience Whilst in Bosnia Colonel Bob won the military's second highest honor the DSO for helping lay the foundations of a piece that still exists there today This is a man who knows about conflict and how to solve it Negotiation is something you learn from life. Everyone negotiates. It's part of daily life Whoever came up with this idea for a show is Particularly when I was in Bosnia when I was right in the middle of a battlefield And it was crucial that I got the negotiation right because people were dying Listen, I married your French woman Negotiation Every day I want to challenge where it's a real problem. I want to make a difference If I do that If I really do that I Will be highly satisfied. I don't see it. I just don't see him getting the job done But you know he got awards and things of that nature Colonel Bob sets off Just like when he was in the field he called upon his right-hand man Captain Martin McGowan Scanlan Martin and I served in the army together And I need Martin to give me a hand here because what I want to do is to go on the ground meet the Protagonists and when I'm doing that I want him to get good intelligence And what is actually happening on the ground because I'm gonna be fed a lot of public relations bullshit Yes, you are from both sides And I actually need to have someone who I trust absolutely to sift through the BS and really judge characters To tell me what he considers to be the objective truth. He looks suitably Absolutely never seen this Scruffy perfect Not even close Martin. Hey Bob. How you doing? Get in get in. You okay? Yeah, I'm fine. You look as ugly as usual On their way to Essex Bob brings Martin up to speed on the history surround not gonna lie this guy He looks like the dude from benedorm Though with the swinger couple He looks like the guy in the travel site. He then outlines Martin's task for the conflict primarily information gathering First day I want you to have a quick scout of the gypsy camp get a feel for it I want you to look at the roads see whether they're making a lot of noise See whether they're making a lot of rubbish keep outside the camp But look look at it and actually get the feel and then I want you to go and see the the council Go and see what they think should be there. Have a word with the press Okay, what I want from you is intelligence on actually the attitudes of people to the gypsy camp Okay, no problem. All right. Absolutely. No problems. See you This is pretty If gypsies are here illegally you can understand the local people that have paid a lot of money for their houses Objecting I'm too listen shout out to all my gypsy homies and things of that nature. I ain't even gonna lie to you I'd be upset if I was a homeowner Like put it like if I owned an entire home And a lot of it would be me just hating on you that you just getting around the government like this And I didn't bought a home. I could RV did he legally too rubbish and objecting to noise and perhaps a lot of vehicle movement Before any successful negotiation the colonel will need the support and trust of both sides He starts by meeting local homeowner len gridley Wow Morning, my name is colonel bob Stuart. I'm the negotiator I'm here because there's some chance that we can actually sort out a problem And I've been asked to come here and the decor of this house is Actually today. I just want to get the feel of it. Yep First up bob asked to see the border between lens property and the travel site. So here's a few questions for you I left the door open have a walk down the gardens show you how close they do live So you say about a thousand people live here. Well, as you say you've gotten from the left here Right down onto the right hand side, which is all the illegal site So this is the front line. Is it this is actually what we're talking about. Well, that's what I call the front line It's pretty big obstacle actually. Yeah, dude's backyard is huge. This is all his backyard They can throw things over it. They say throw things over they dump things over it. Yeah, and all of that Hey, I look beer bottles Hmm glasses. Yeah Be honest with you. Yeah, where the hell's that come from? What's that? That's been dumped that's been dumped over the fence. What is it? That's not mine A rat Whilst the colonel gets the grips with what does and what does that an anchor doesn't belong in lens garden Martin sets off on his brief to find out what the local people make of it all The problem. I think the problem is he might just be shown what they want him to see, you know That's the danger So hopefully we can find out a little bit of stuff for him that will give him a bit of the edge when he Comes to the negotiation side Martin's first visit is to local councillor Malcolm hope He explains that whilst given 30 legal plots the site has now been illegally extended to twice its original size 30 legal turned into 60 Also outlined despite an evicting court order and an objection from the deputy prime minister Legally the travelers can't be removed Wait what what do you mean? So we've got a situation despite what the council want to do despite what the deputy prime minister said You've got to sit on your hands and do nothing because They've found some way around the law so that they can stay there. Absolutely. There's nothing you can do about it Is what you say we we cannot do anything until judicial review hearing has been addressed. That's crazy They found the loophole of finesse. Do you feel sorry for the guy with what he's got to put up with there? Um, yes, I think you you have to because you know Somebody that buys a property and lives in the rural area doesn't suddenly expect to have a thousand people living at the back of their car See what i'm saying like yeah, I would have been mad too As a hormone The full legal process to remove the travelers could take several years However, the local residents need a solution now The sewage in the corner there is the overflow from their sewage in there the gypsies. It's an overflow. It's an overflow their pipe flowing into my ditches You can smell it yourself. What's that? What's that's the sewage from there? Yeah How come it comes through here comes across there into these ditches. Yeah, I've piped all the way along there I've got photographs of it me piping it and all that. Yeah, that's what we have to uh That's what we have to put up with. Oh, no, bro. I I'm trying maybe because we're only hearing his side right now But I'm like it ain't really nothing that can be said to me You know what i'm saying? I'm having to do all this extra stuff. You know, I just came here pay my little Mortgage and I'm supposed to be living carefree Gusting, I mean you've got what you've got. This is the forward edge of the battle area Yeah, and you've got a sewage system overflow coming down the bottom of your garden horrendous friendly mr. Sheridan another one that gives a regular abuse In the lane and all of that He'd look like he'd be cussing dude out. And how would you defend yourself? I defend myself to my best abilities if it means uh firearms firearms it will be Okay Things are looking ugly. He wants all the smoke Meanwhile, Martin McGowan Scanlon has been doing some digging He's managed to arrange a meeting with one of the male members of the encampment Hey, John I'm martin Pleased to meet you. How are you doing? Oh, this is saying we're very tense and they're reluctant to appear on camera Okay. Yeah, so you just give us a shout and tell us when you when you're ready and then I'll I'll start off Yeah, that's the same dude That's the unbeknownst to martin. It's the very same man who was recently staring out the colonel It's a victory for our homes And we've nowhere to go and the ones in the bailouts are nowhere to go Okay, but I mean that's that's one part of it, isn't it? I mean it's been also this problem with Len, isn't it? He's got a figure of speech. Everyone says, you know, I mean But if they got something to say, let him say it Say he's got a figure of speech. What? I got no problem with McGowan Whatever their public position. There is no question that Len has been seriously affected by the constant run-ins with the neighbors Have you ever tried to do yourself in? Uh, it's got very close to it. If anything happened to me the gypsies would never be there tomorrow I've made you Insurance policies against that In what way? Terrorists coming in and just blowing the sights to the kingdom. So you know terrorists. Oh, yes You're you're not pulling no, no, no, no, no, that's an actual truth Threats don't bother me, you know Well, they do actually but if threats didn't bother you wouldn't have as friends there you would That's what now see I don't know I can do no type of behavior, but that that the level of negativity, bro Is on it's crazy. I wouldn't have a dog that would attack them And you wouldn't be talking about suicide bombers coming in from presumably Lebanon, which is rubbish Uh, you know, it's rubbish Len. Come on. No, it isn't. The suiciders are sitting in turn a rave That's what they do on holiday. Yeah, they're on ology there Are they on a deck chair? Do you think these guys they're just sitting there waiting for the call working out there at the moment? Ah, fine The situation is escalating and things haven't been made any easier by a recent tragedy when two travelers died in a house fire Just after Len agreed to have his picture taken with them for the local newspaper Martin meets a local journalist and discovers that a major part of this war has been waged in the media Not just a local paper headlines, but also in tv reports Many residents are too Just a local paper headlines, but also in tv reports I'm not gonna lie bro. Sweater game is bar none. This is the second sweater He has many residents are too frightened to speak out for fear of reprisals And that's for a fact. Yeah, and mr. Gridley doesn't exactly get on with his neighbors If I saw a gypsy caravan with kids in it, I'd let it burn. Now. I couldn't care less I'm no more Whilst martin continues his research the colonel makes sure lenegram really cares then leads to a day of head-to-head negotiations Totally Within the next 24 hours, I'd like to get you together with the opposition and then actually start talking to others Is that acceptable to you? Acceptable we've got as you say unless we talk to them and tell them our point of view and nothing can be done He's seen what I have to put up from with the gypsies Now he can go and speak to the gypsies and see what they say about me and what they have to put up with from me And the rest of the residents I think it needs to be an ex-soldier man to go down on that site. I call it mini bay route down there I think if they were just average citizens sitting there and not doing anything They would have nothing to say about them But this guy hates like he literally does not like The site of the You know what I'm saying the traveler so I'm pretty sure he's just being petty at all cost Every scenario. So I'm they might have something to say but I I don't we'll see Well, that's lene. Um, what's clear is that this man May well be prepared to compromise and that's good Because if he's prepared to compromise I can probably get a deal from him at least and that's the way forward I didn't get that feeling from lene from dude at all I ain't here. No type of comp comp. What is it compromise in his voice? I've never been to a gypsy camp before so it will be my first I want to go to one And we're going to see Kathleen who apparently is the leader of the gypsies and I'm on the map This is the way Kathleen Colonel Bob Stuart. I'm the negotiator. Very nice to meet you We have a negotiator. We might solve something a negotiator. That's what I do After exchanging pleasantries the colonel gets Kathleen's views on Len gridly And we're walking around Len fights with us through publicity the media And newspapers but the more He decided to talk about us and bring hatred against us the more it really did become that he is spyfield Jealous and bitter Kathleen takes Bob on a brief tour. It's a fairly known tactic though, right? if we want to get like If you want to get people on your side go to the media go to the media simple the site taking in some of the bigger houses Is this one here? Oh Wow Very careful here. Now. This is my mom's home, which is quite comfortable. These are these these grandchildren My mom's grandchild. This is my this gotta be legal though. She fell and hurt at her knees. I must say it's absolutely lovely I've never seen this now. Can I show you in here now? This is static. I don't want to walk on the carpet No, come on fine. I I have to say I'm pretty gobsmacked because this is beautiful They make you want to look at your look in the situation and make sure you good because That house was immaculate. I ain't even gonna lie. Whilst the kennels being wowed by the travelers creature comforts Martin has hit the town center to canvas local opinion The reality of the situation is that these people seem to be above the law and uh It's not just crazy. It's all over the country, isn't it? They seem to feel that they've got some sort of god-given right to totally go against The general rules and order that society lives by people built buildings on there on greenbelt land um And they shouldn't have done I think honestly they're taking liberties and they need kicking out And if I'm being honest and people ain't said them wrong Because that is all factual that The council whatever they just said they can't do nothing They're they're above they found loopholes that makes them above whatever we have going on right now. It's facts Do you pay council tax? We do. You do? Yes, we have all the proof for that Yeah, so everyone pays council tax. Everybody pays council tax here. We pay road tax. Yeah, we're paying short We don't We pay I think the problem here is that they don't like gypsies That's the main problem when somebody is saying things that don't happen That's it causes the problems. This is the bathroom It's not really what you call large but to us. This is everything You know what I mean? That has to sink. It has to tile it to flush and tile it It has everything. You know what I mean? So Lane claims it's the travelers flushing toilets that is causing the sewage problems He's demanded the council get involved and work out who or what is causing the overflow to the system But to no avail. What happens to the sewage from this place? Same thing that happens to lens Len is no different to us. We only all have Subtanks. What happens when it overflows and where does it go? The overflow is all connected I don't know where the overflow goes. They're not going to tell you a lie Yeah, meanwhile martin takes a trip. I think she was about to cap She don't know to an estate agent to see if lens claims this property is being massively valued and true Let's just give you give me an example for instance, you know All bedroom detached house if you had to sell it now it backed onto the encamer What sort of price would you expect to get for it? Well, we've got one down at the moment It's up for just under 500,000 we've land actually backs onto it Right, but when you go there, you're already going to have in your mind a figure of Less than you would perhaps value it for otherwise. Well, no, I think the figure will be okay It's just not going to be as saleable. It's not going to he's not going to have maybe 20 or 30 people looking at straight away You know, it's going to probably suit the right sort of place. So you're right And the price is going to be right. It's going to be the same, but it won't take longer to sell Martin is more cap, you know that price going down Cut the lies. Why are we lying in the face of the meat? Like don't cut that lie Complete to the fact finding and property value going down because of certain people living in the area is a fact It is not even the people living there. It's what they do and then not taking care of the area Well, if I walk up to a five hundred thousand dollar house and I look around and send an inspector And they're like, yo, there's people that's living across and a lot. There's overflow landfill coming through the black Five hundred thousand. That's not five hundred thousand. I gotta deal with that. That's instantly three hundred and seventy five thousand now Colonel Bob has persuaded Len and Kathleen to participate in the day of discussions Very pleased to meet you. It was an honor for you to come and visit us. It was my pleasure The negotiation is on He didn't even talk to her that much seems to be a very decent man that won't take no side of the story, but he will judge us as he sees us They think they're right. We think we're right. We haven't broken the law. It's them that have broken the law There may be no compromise, you know, it may be just them and us and that's what I that's Maybe it's because I'm too basic, but that's what I see It's the laws being broken on one side and it's not being broken on the other side And the people who are not breaking the law are mad Ain't nothing wrong with that. That's that's you know, a natural response That evening the colonel catches up with his former captain and over a pint They discussed the intelligence gathered over the previous 24 hours Okay. Well, I found out a lot of things. I mean I started off talking to the leader of the council and um Martin explains that some of the travelers on the site are there legally but over half a knot He tells the colonel that the majority of local people are unhappy with the size of the encampment But he also explains that the effect on house prices has been exaggerated And the main problem lies with the people's perceptions of the traveler's site The fact is there is a gypsy site there. It's always going to be there forever and ever The the whole issue is not about oh, we're gonna get all these people moved on. There will still be 30 pitches left They're gonna be there We've got a classic illegal ones that I call here Totally different approach that you gotta sit like think about it, bro If 30 pitchers if that is a lot if that a lot is made for 30 30 And there's 60 there has to be overflow There's only built for 30 There's gotta be doodle running everywhere. You know what I'm saying, which is Two communities both are fearing For their homes you and I both know why people fight in the end. It's to defend their homes their families On the one hand you get local residents who watch the quality of their life Go down markedly because they're frightened on the other hand you have the gypsies Who most of them seem quite decent and without realizing it often They're actually coercing the local people and some of the things they're doing are pretty antisocial Overall is the misunderstanding on both sides. The answer is big. Yes And perhaps that's where we can start Another gift itself from crypto you always going crazy, man I salute it I've designed a setup for this negotiation With each side sitting on stools and me standing because I want to be mobile and I want them to face one another I want to try and get this out in front of the other side because only if they do that Can we then start to find a resolution? Bit nervous now. Yeah, tell you the truth. I'd be a liar if I said anything else and then I'd say the church Yeah, I'm a bit nervous But I think it'll be all right I've spoken and phoned to about half a dozen residents in the road and in the village different questions they want aren't me to ask this woman today and See what her replies are The history of this conflict has been primarily played out in the local media Numerous accusations claims and counterclaims, but now the two protagonists will finally meet face to face Hi, Kathleen. How are you, Bob? Hi, Len. Morning, Cuff. So you don't mind shaking hands with Scott? No, no, as long as you don't think I've got the gypsy curse because unfortunately Someone had their arm around me last time and unfortunately they died. Not my fault. I hope So you haven't got a curse with you. I feel safe then. Okay, let's go in That's a great Opening line. Why would he lead with that? That's just automatic animosity. Oh, you think that's funny. You brought that up in a joking manner Is it there? What I want to do now is to actually do the negotiation And this is where it becomes much more serious from my point of view so far Unbeknownst to Kathleen and Len the colonel has brought Martin along between them They've concocted a plan to put both parties under pressure from the start The colonel has placed a double page advert in the local paper declaring that should this negotiation fail It will be down to them. He believes they both use the media to their own advantage So he's turning it against them by you 100% using the media himself Hoping that they'll disarm them right from the start What we intend to do Is to take out a full page double page feature In the gazette, but we're actually naming you. You see here Len your name and Kathleen as representatives of Len your name and Kathleen as Represented It's not even a real See here Len your name and Kathleen Never seen such a terrible fake Like this is not real like I okay He said he's going to so he wants to like shock value, right Let me show you a paper with it in there, but this is As page not even the same length. Look at this. It's not even the same paper Representatives of both sides of the argument and we're going to put that into the newspaper this week At a stroke the colonel has taken away the main way the two parties have previously waged their war Playing chess not checking the house will focus their efforts towards reaching the resolution The next thing I want to do is I want to actually ask each of you To talk to the other and tell the other Person will start with you Len what really makes you mad and I want you to say it's straight now to Kathleen I think the first thing that makes Me mad and the village is the sewage problem we've got in the in the road Where is all the sewage coming from and where absolutely and that is a respectable reason to be mad Is it all going to the constant two innovators down there? Um It's night and day Um seven days a week There's so many issues that people have burnt the fly tipping in the road and the rubbish that's chucked out the windows It's not come from the residents the road used to be completely clear and the residents haven't changed Anything else you want to get off your chest? Nope. No, they're all facts All all of those are legitimate concerns Okay, so that's it. Yeah, your statement is over. Yeah good Kathleen your statement, please. Well, first of all, I'm going to say what I don't like about you And then I'll go on from that Here's the puss. Let's get negative Kathleen. Oh a type now What I don't like about you. You're a selfish man You think of nobody but yourself Right, you're lonely. You're sad and if you could get a life And a partner you'd see how happy life could be now the fly tipping Yeah You are you trying to bring that man's whole morale down That's to be real though. He's not selfish. He's on here. He's here on the behalf of the community because You know what I'm saying? So it's not really selfish All right fly tipping issue is the rubbish ye live on the road where the rubbish is not us Ye live on it. So as far as I'm concerned, if there's any rubbish it belongs to ye No, that's selfish That is selfish That is selfish. She know that's cap That ain't come on man. Now you're not trying to get to the bottom of this With things on the boil the colonel steps away from the protagonists As the more random and personal issues of the conflict bubble to the surface You've got to get it out before you can move forward That's why bob hasn't interrupted a step back out of it. That's the technique he's using at this point. Let him get on Another one crypto pre six and you're making the stream look lit It is Back to back in it And be honest with you I don't feel safe if you're living down in the caravan when the english was down there I could drive around to that site and knock on any one of them caravans Don't talk about getting hurt down in our cycle. You come down and try you have not tried it So you're telling me You're telling me now if I come down there at any time at any time. I'm welcome. You are more than welcome But it doesn't take a television pro I just believe in my whole heart of hearts that this lady is over captain right now Graham to get you to come down Even he think This is going quite good now. They're both getting a bit heated about each other. Let's see what happens They've had free burglaries since the travelers have been what you're trying to say is the travelers moved in my house was burgled three times Yeah, that's what you're saying, isn't it? Yeah. Well proof that the travelers done it You videoed christmas day the children and the young girls you could tell exactly what them young girls had I've never I've never on a video camera. I have you video in video in cheer I have it. You said the young girls was dressed up as mary christmases. Stop. No, I did not say that. Stop at all. Stop Now we get an offer negative. She just called bro, uh a file a file of You know what i'm saying pedoism That's crazy Enough borderline. That's what she said. Yeah, it's going around the circles. I said bob's just bringing it back to uh bring it back to earth I'm really glad we've got stuff Everything out into the open what I want to do now Is to get you to look outside the box and then actually think where we go from there agreed Agreed good That was clearly Not as far as That was clearly not as far as it might have been. I'm very pleased by that now what I want to go on to do bro Not hear what I've just heard The lady called him A predator of some sort that is tough Is to get each side to look at the other person's point of view how they see the conflict Because that will help them when I come to actually push them together Next time and try and get some kind of compromise Phase two of the negotiation for this stage the colonel is going to split the protagonist up But to do that he's forced to break martin's cover and inform both parties about his covert role Kathleen, you know, I wanted to show you the gypsy site from a different perspective Well, I meant that literally to do that. I'm going to put you into a helicopter to look Don't worry. Don't worry. It's great fun. Yeah, and I'll turn I'll send martin a lot. That is crazy Putting her on into a helicopter To see the damage Okay, as well. Okay. All right. Okay Martin's not going to be too happy with that decision. He's not been up on a chopper for the best part of 10 years The problem with martin is that I've flown with him to kazakhstan. He hates flying. He's bloody petrified Kathleen look, there's nothing at all to worry about. Okay. All you got to do is feel a bit dodgy. Look at the horizon He's a really hard guy, but flying Flying gets him going. So I'm trying his best snifter um He's um rejected it. So I'll have to drink it for him Yeah, get my way Whilst Kathleen takes an aerial view of the site the colonel has persuaded lend to actually enter the traveler encampment Bob is guaranteed lend safety and will be with him at all times That's like me guaranteeing somebody's safety when they come to chicago Yeah, bro. You good. No, that's impossible. You can't guarantee nobody's safety when you not especially in bob's case You're not even from there, right? One of these things here, well, they're very gas bottles. Why? You tell me. Yeah The colonel has arranged for lend to meet Kathleen's mother for conciliatory cup of tea Ah Good old sprite. Kathleen's mom. Yes. I'm colonel bob. I'm the negotiator and I'm coming in if I if I might It's a nice house. It's lovely. I think you've got a beautiful house here Very very nice Thank you, sweetheart. Thank you very much Bro is in fear for his life. Yeah This is the first time lenders ever entered a traveler's house. Oh That big fella right there in there with you the colonel eases lend into the situation and understandably the travelers are keen to hear What he has to say something's got to be done Down the line. Um, yeah Look how he's sitting This how you know, bro uncomfortable boy in there like a little turtle here that one Help me what the answer is. I don't know. I don't think Kathleen knows the answer And everything as my job to suggest a few things Whilst the colonel eases the tension marketing is getting a much rougher ride What you to think about is other people's perception. So put yourself in other people's shoes. Look at it I'm not gonna leave other people think that we're doing something that we're not I never volunteered to do this program. I also I also understand that Kathleen Here Martin's role is so she not even really willing to take accountability for Challenge Kathleen's position that the travelers are the victims in this conflict You see the rubbish on the far side over there over by the steel cans You're talking about the gas cylinders. Yeah. Yeah, is that rubbish or is the gas cylinders? Well, it doesn't matter They're one and the same it shouldn't be left lying around there But it's there for a reason look at the rubbish down here on this side. Where what's the reason? Try and see where's the rubbish try and see it from other people show me the rubbish first Just down here by this building there. Look at all the crap there on the side. You see it Look coming out of the back of the house. That's people being too lazy. They've just thrown it out the back there No, that's not being lazy. Look at the percent Oh, she's not even trying to hear it You take yourself away from being a gypsy for a moment. You fly over that. What do you bring me to the council estate and I'll show you dirty felon She's talking about a council estate. It's not a council. All right What I'm trying to explain to you that is that whatever you tell me whatever you show me the perception is going to be a certain thing And that's what we're trying to stop and that's why I'm trying to help you do No, no, you're not trying to help me. You're trying to bring me down and say yes, we are This is you you're filth in your dirt and I'm not having that. I'm not having that. Sorry Kathleen, I thought we'd moved on a bit this morning, you know, you recognize I would have moved on only for you are trying to assimilate that we are living in filth and dirt and we're flight tipping Which is lies. No, and I when I She is This is this is I feel like she's led the motion cloud her better judgment right now. It's coming up here. I told you I wasn't going down Skipper Oh It's all right. Don't worry relax Relax, you're fine Nothing was learned up here There was no eye open. She's not even taking accountability that that that that therefore that's their trash that they're doing that We have dignity. We have respect not like people is making our kitchen. Look, there's dirt there's dirt Yeah, so what it wasn't filth and dirt that we were gathering up and we were shown outside Glenn's house or anybody's house. I'm not going to let people think Wait, so her reason is it's not filth and dirt that we put in front of nobody's house Wait, what are you talking? What is she? That we're filth and dirt one or not. I'm sorry, but I'm not having it. No 100% I don't believe that the travelers or anybody Anybody that in this program for that matter is filth and dirt It's actually it's the opposite, but it's the disposal of the filth and dirt The filth and dirt that is the in question It's the disposal tactics now in the beginning you said we got water. We got flushing toilets. We got electricity I did not hear you say we have regular trash pickup. That's not something I heard And I've waited I waited I waited 32 minutes to see And and and and to this moment We still not we're still not talking about Garbage men when do the garbage men come? They don't So clearly unhappy Bob had hoped that the helicopter ride would have made us see things from the residents perspective Big mistake. Whilst the colonel has done a good job building bridges between Lennon and the travelers He's completely unaware that Kathleen is in an almighty rage There you go So you had a cup of tea did you we did we met you Hey, what kind of energy was that kind of So you had a cup of tea did you that's tough. That's the hardest line. I heard in a minute. Fine. That's fine. You're gonna come sit here Now replay it. That's tough So you had a cup of tea did you we did we met you That's fine. You're gonna come sit here. So you're right now. Mr. Grigley. How's things looking for you? You still take for a filter dirt scum. Oh, you haven't seen my place. You would call me worse than that What I'm trying to say to you now that you're actually in a gypsy's place Do you still think that we're filled and scum? I've never thought that you feel any gypsy feel for scum I know the gypsy. Well, why did you say we were I've never said that you Fuck is this your face? I haven't where you said Why did you say we were I've never said that to your face You feel for scum. I know the gypsy were alive. Did you say we were I've never said that to your face I haven't where you said that we couldn't think of anything else but scum. We were scum And have I have done that bro did say that he did say that I heard you I said on camera you said it in the pub with all your friends and I have you now When a minute shush Lorraine plus the fact that you're training your dog to hate us As well as yourself Now do you still think that we're filled and scum? No, I can't thank you very much. I said on camera if I had said it I apologize to you. You did say it because I haven't on tape. Kathleen. He might Have she's super confrontational. She is Very confrontational. You know who's you remind me of right now? Hold on. I said Let me hold on. Am I wrong? He didn't really mean even at the time and lots of us do that including me and probably you and Len The colonels hushed tones have calmed the situation so much so that Kathleen decides to give Len the guided tour Yeah, right. Not to show you now We put our rubbish in here in black bags Right, we don't open that black bag and take a nappy and run down to oak lane and chuck it in anybody's garden Do you honestly believe that we that's trying so hard spending a lot of money trying to get stay in here that we're going to get rubbish Go to oak road and tip it where you can see it take pictures of it and send it back to the council. Yes Not you not the 30 people who are there legally The 30 who are not Bro over here in the cut It's plotting To do it the moment he when everybody leaves Now come in. I want you to see my caravan It's not mulch. I'm not posh like these now, but I survive in here as you can see might be the best in the world But it's tiny. It's as tiny as I can keep it. It's the idea of my house now Have you seen it enough for the day because I want to go as far as being go after a brief wobble The peace process appears to be back on track This has been a fantastic day. What we've done is brought both sides together the representatives of both sides They've had a go at one another which is great. They've got their grievances off their chest They've said it openly and clearly and at the same time There's no but there's there's honestly no coming to a conclusion with the lady She sees no wrong She's she's blind to the fact that anybody could do any type of wrong In her campsite So she's not even thinking about the possibility of somebody doing that Salute crypto appreciate it again Each side has had the chance to say that's wrong. That's that's a mistake And actually we've also got some agreement that mistakes have been made and things can be put right I I think that's a fantastic. I've never heard. I'll say that for this day as the negotiator I think the negotiator is delusional as well The visit has clearly been a success and the two parties are starting to look well like neighbors You sit here my dear And I'm not pulling my chair any chair out for you. You sit over there It's supposed to be a gentle, but I never I've done the lady But what now what can happen is bro could just be like, all right This is going nowhere And let me just play nice So they'll will stop Because maybe they'll just stop now. All right. Everything's cool. Maybe she'll go holler at everybody like you'll cut it out Because now we playing cool Let's go. How many is there? One two, I can't even tell me that's tough. Appreciate it now The kernel is keen to have one final meeting before the day ends He wants to capitalize on the momentum that it's built make sure both parties continue with this new vein of optimism I let them just relax and enjoy each other Well, I'm suddenly you chilled out you're chilled out now. I needed this. You needed that. What about you? You think you might be friends I'm just worried about a lady friends. Well, I tell you what you could do worse len I think that mr. Gridley is not as bad as he's painted to be he pretends to be tougher and Angrier than what he is. He's not tomorrow. Are they flirting? I want to actually Bring us together again And finally finish the process and try and get a sort of a road map to peace if you like a road map to understanding All right Listen, she just said all that But it applied that he was some type of predator and things of that nature I've got some thoughts, but I don't want to say right now. I want to develop overnight Are you fun to catch bro spending the night at her house later on? You're a wee bit late Uh-huh. Well, maybe um, it's a misunderstanding. You see it's a beautiful house, isn't it? Once lens arrived the colonel takes both parties to what he calls the front line There he'll attempt to put into place some measures that he believes will enable both the residents and the travelers to coexist amicably The first point is the media. There's got to be a ceasefire The media have been stoking this bloody problem up because it makes a great story and actually it's making it worse than it Yeah, the media definitely gonna make it worse. Yes. Okay. The second point is keeping the house in order Kathleen the cleaning up of the lane everyone is going to try and get together and actually clean up the lanes On all sides the sewage Frankly, it's a shit pit there and it's got to be Sorted now you're talking it could be fixed. My third point is the cordon sanitaire french word What is french what I mean is a a neutral zone A no man's land and I'm suggesting that mentally then You think of this area as not particularly a part of your garden I would like you to put a fence across there and that would allow you to stop being so fixated about it Absolutely not no What are you talking about? This is my property line If it's within my property line I'm not putting another fence To make somebody else feel good to no no no no no no no no. Is that what I just heard? Go back as not particularly a part of your garden I would You think and no man's land and I'm suggesting that mentally then You think of this area as not particularly a part of your garden. I would like do you know how dumb you sound? It's a part of my garden because I paid for it. No Cute to put a fence across there and that would allow you to stop being so fixated about it And the fourth point no is a hotline When there is a complaint or a a winch or something From the settled community He can ring you And if you have a problem you can ring len communication between you two Call it a hotline is very important Just as he did when he was in the field the colonel sets out his roadmap to peace Now the len nor catalene have raised any issues with the four-point plan So before the colonel departs he gets them to sign an aid memoir confirming that they agree to these new living conditions Handshake I thought these few days was pretty amazing I have visited len and len has visited me and I think that's something called might just come out of this He's a pretty amazing guy Um if I stop I'll stop If they carry on What do I do carry on they've agreed to do what I suggested But I have been witness to many ceasefire agreements What I like to see happen Is when people have gone back to their positions and put them into practice And I want to see that happen. This whole show is cap in a few weeks time. I'll be back then. Sure. Yeah Oh With the colonel gone the two parties are left to interpret his roadmap to peace for themselves Len cleans up and prepares to build his cordon sanitaire Whilst Kathleen tries to bring her own version of the highway code to the traveler site I'm going putting up The signs no tooting the horns No speed and no rubbish The next day Len re-enters the traveler site to talk about solving the sewage problem Was when the film crew were there the other day they said what's the smell and I said this is the smell is the sewage problem And even places a call into Kathleen to discuss the media blackout. Hello calf. It's Len up the He didn't give her a short name calf Ah All right, not too bad. Do you have all the press on the phone to you today? On the surface both parties have taken the colonel's measures on board But by the end of the first month, will they still be following the road back to Pete? Let us know Hopeful that that the tension's gone down a bit and there's a line of communication at the very least and that's wait Is that the is that really? That might be due from being a dorm If it's not they are strikingly Similar that's crazy. Some of the measures we proposed in our four-point plan Have actually been carried out The colonel's aim is to actually find out what's been happening in his absence So we're in the position that there's been some cleaning up. There's the two teams gone down There's much more courtesy on the road. Len says people are being friendly and that sort of thing From both sides, they're stacked come friendly as well. Well, that's great. That's something you you haven't fulfilled one The sewage that is a raw open sewer And it's got to be sorted. I want it to happen Kathleen It's got to happen because that's part of the deal the one point That has gone slightly wrong And i'm amazed that we've only got one point is this matter of sewage But i'm so thrilled to hear that the relationship between the two communities has got much better Thank you very much for taking part and I hope the results of all your work End with everyone in this community beginning to trust and enjoy having people around them who are not quite like themselves Thank you very much And it was a pleasure and an honor for you to come down to the gypsies. Lovely. Thank you very much Fantastic that this might be the happiest show I've ever seen both sides capping The host capping on his success Like come on man I know this little this little thing whatever they had going on didn't let her It was really a result. I couldn't have dreamed about when I started this project We've got the local communities talking to one another the local communities trusting one another. I'm really quite pleased mission is accomplished The resolution was welcomed in the local area and the kernel was once again back in the headlines Now three months later both sides are still on good terms as they wait to ruling from the appeal court But len is delighted noise and fly tipping at down by 75 percent the kernel leaves smelling a distinct width of success Still look very cap show Very very capy t.l. Only will I comment subscribe turn of your post? I'm gone