 So I guess the next thing I can cover is what exactly it means to take up your cross. So he introduces this video as saying that it's something that a lot of people don't understand and so he's going to explain it for you. So he shows the quote from Luke, now he's quoted in other Gospels as well. But if any man shall come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me for whosoever should save his life will lose it, but whosoever will lose his life for my sake will save it. That's the verse there. So it then goes on to a very long video about what exactly that means. Now we're already off to a bad start with this video because the first way that he's going to explain it is going to find verses that don't even mention taking up your cross. So as he progresses through this video, he just picks random verses to make that the definition of taking up your cross. And this is not the only time he's done this. Like there's another video where it is a message to backslidden Christians and it's Have You Been Born Again? And he asks that question by providing a verse that doesn't mention being born again. Instead of just going to John chapter 3 where it mentions the concept. And this is what unsaved people constantly do. They just, they find a term in the Bible like a Christianese term that people wonder about. Like what does that mean? And they just pick something random in the Bible and say well that's what it means there. So it then gives all this about like how it goes on to say, you know, suffering in the flesh and ceasing from sin and this, that and the other like it in 1 Peter. It gives quite a bit of thing about 1 Peter. But what's that got to do with taking up your cross? What's the connection there? Because Peter doesn't talk about taking up your cross. And so all he's done is he's just picked something random. And he's made that the definition of taking up your cross. And so how he's going to define this is all the suffering that we've got to do in the flesh in order to take up our cross daily. Like you've got to suffer this and you've got to suffer that and you've got to put up with this, that and the other. And then he points out these verses about how you will be hated for my namesake and if they persecuted me they will persecute you also. And so because Jesus told his disciples that they would be persecuted he's now made this a requisite for salvation essentially and he's going to argue in this video that if you're not enduring persecution every better day of your life then you must not be following the will of God or you may not even be saved. Okay? I was on to say for his namesake you're being hated by the majority of people. The vast majority of people are just going to completely hate you and if you're not being hated for his namesake you haven't denied yourself and you're not picking up your cross daily. Right? Here is what so moronically stupid about that though is that if you want to make that like a requirement for salvation if you're not going through this you must not really be a servant of God is that when you look across his videos the vast majority of his comments are generally positive. Okay? Now yes there are people who rebuke him there are people that argue with him there are people that say this, that and the other but you'll notice all the little sort of hearts that he gives to say all the comments that he approves of he generally gives a lot of favourable ones because he gets a lot of positive comments but the majority of his comments are positive. Okay? And it's not just this video it's pretty much the piece across a lot of its videos it's like amen this is such a good message oh I can't believe you're covering this he gets positive messages so he's not exactly being hated himself if YouTube comments are anything to go by now they don't prove everything that happens in his life but we're not off to the best of starts folks if you want to make that a requirement, okay? And it's going to keep progressing on this though for a little while later that you know people will say to them I don't really get persecuted that often it's like well guys listen if you're not living a godly life and you're not being persecuted like Jesus said you would you must not be following Jesus and you've not picked up your cross because you're not being persecuted with like him he's trying to argue that unless people are attacking you left right and centre you're not really saved it's utterly ridiculous about 14 minutes 36 this is when he gets super cringe that he quotes the thing that Jesus said about if your right hand causes you to sin or it offends you pluck it out for it's better to enter into life maimed than to be cast into hell having both eyes, right? Work Salvation Heretics they love quoting that that's their ultimate go to like if you're not plucking out your eye and you're not cutting off your hand you know these are things that you must do to be saved here's what's so stupid about that though bear in mind that he's already done a video about Baxan and Christians and he mentions in this video that he was a backslider once himself so at some point something caused him to sin okay ever notice how they've always always always got two eyes and two hands themselves so you must cut off your hand and you must chop out your eye it says the guy with two eyes says the guy with two hands they always have two eyes and they always have two hands but they love to quote that to you don't they folks they love to tell you to cut off your hand and pluck out your eye they've never done it themselves like stand by what you believe in you went through a backsliding period why didn't you pluck out your eye then because the rules are different for them folks the rules don't apply to them and I have never ever seen anybody quote that verse who themselves has one eye or one hand I've never ever seen it now if anybody confronts me with that verse and they've got one eye or one hand and they took it out deliberately I will go to that verse carefully and I will examine the implications of what that verse is saying you know the person I'm dealing with but if someone like him wants to quote it he can shut his filthy mouth he's just been a hypocrite if he wants to point that out he hasn't done that himself but he wants to tell you that that's what you've got to do for your salvation just cross it off hypocrite okay he's got his portion with the hypocrites and here's the cherry on the top folks when he says whosoever does not renounce all cannot be his disciple so again that's another one that they love to quote but this is like the the plucking out the eye thing look at his background he's got a fairly nice house now I don't know what property prices are where he lives maybe it just happens to live in a place where big houses are really cheap there than they are where I live I don't know but it's a fairly nice house he's got quite a lot of space he's got some nice furniture over there he's got his own dining room he's got big windows he's got plenty of open space it's decorated and you know in another video he's got quite a nice office he's got a fairly expensive computer I mean there are cheaper computers that you can get than an Apple Mac you know and the thing is folks if he's worked hard and he puts a paycheck on the table I'm not against his nice computer okay I'm not against his nice house if he's worked hard for his house he can have a nice house fine but if you've got a nice house and you've got nice stuff in it don't be giving the rest of us all this crap about how we need to renounce everything for Jesus when you haven't done it yourself okay why don't you downsize and spend more money on tracking and doing this that and the other oh because you like the nice house well fine again enjoy your nice house that you've paid for but don't give us this crap about and we need to bring give up everything when you haven't given up everything okay and so he wants to make it out in his video like you've got to go through all this persecution and everything's got to be coming at you and you know you need to be walking into this thing but folks if you live in a house as nice as that how bad is your life really you know how bad is the persecution and bear in mind we looked at this a lot earlier in the in the video this is a guy who thinks that because somebody posted this on social media and it wasn't even directed at him he thinks he's been persecuted by one saved always saved and faith alone somewhere in his video it was arguing that if you preach conditional security and you preach faith plus works that you're going to be hated for all these names so you can you know you're going to be persecuted with left right and centre by faith alone well the thing is folks the vast majority of Christians actually do believe you can lose your salvation okay the Methodists believe that the Catholics believe that the Eastern Orthodox believe that the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the 7th Adventists believe that most Christians believe you can lose your salvation and believe in faith plus works and even the reformed crowd that kind of give a lip service to one saved always saved they still have some form of works where it's repent of your sins to be saved okay so they still have a workspace salvation and so you're not going to be persecuted by the world for that and really how much how much hate are you going to get from Christians anyway of any persuasion you know what I mean they're not exactly the they're not exactly the hardest bunch in the crowd are they really in terms of the persecution that you're going to get from them and so you know if you live in a house as nice as that I mean how bad is your life really how bad is the persecution you live in a comfortable country you've got the freedom to go out and preach publicly legally you know you've got a nice house to go to and nobody's throwing fire the persecution isn't that bad but the thing is with these works folks when you have a workspace salvation and when you think that you've got to take a fight to the devil to be saved feet for your salvation they think that any tiny bit of work they do is like a great work for God like they do the tiniest little thing and they think they're taking it for the mat you know they're taking it for Jesus it is pathetic okay it really is pathetic that he's not going through that part of a deal okay and here's a video where we went street preaching and again he thinks that this is you know taking a tough fight for the Lord and you know he's going to get persecuted because he's going out there giving it all this first of all just look at the camera panning who's he preaching to there's nobody there there is almost nobody there and there may be a tiny group of people in the distance I mean why are they miles away and the thing is these people who preach repent of your sins and stand in street corners doing this they get nobody saved and yeah they agitate people because they get in on the nerves or whatever but the Bible doesn't advocate just shouting at the same people over and over and over again and bantering them to death about being saved okay the Bible says go out two by two you know if people won't receive you wipe the dust off your feet and move on you know there are independent fundamental Baptists out there who believe in faith alone who believe in one saved always saved who are doing more hours of soul winning than he's doing whatever he's doing here and they're actually knocking on doors and speaking to people one on one and I guarantee you that two hours of their time is far more effective than however much time he spends doing this and so people like this what they have to do is that they do things like this and they scream repent of your sins at people because what they're trying to do is they're trying to agitate people to get annoyed by them and then because people get annoyed by them they think that that's persecution and that's how they vindicate themselves they just invite persecution for the better sake of it it's kind of like I've heard a preacher compare it to cow tipping it's like yeah we're going cow tipping like acting all tough but folks this isn't persecution okay you don't live in a Muslim country you don't live in North Korea stop pretending that you're going through something that you're not and stop giving us the rest of this crap about all this stuff that we've got to endure to the end to be saved you're not doing it yourself it's as simple as that a few YouTube comments here and there is not persecution a few people getting agitated because you won't shut up for 20 minutes about repent of your sins to people that aren't interested in what you have to say that's not persecution okay so let's examine what it means to take up your cross and unlike Epi Eusion apologetics we're not just going to pluck some random passages out of the Bible and make those our definition we're actually going to go to where the Bible mentions the topic where Jesus uses this same phrase and some other passages that are actually parallel to some of the other verses here as well okay so we have in the Luke example Jesus is talking to his own disciples it's quite an intimate conversation with his disciples only the Gospel of Luke is the one where Jesus actually says take up his cross daily so I'm guessing that's why Epi Eusion chose to use Luke's account for that reason but there is some important context in Matthew's Gospel that isn't included in Luke now Matthew's Gospel actually mentions this take up your cross twice actually so we'll look at both of those as well so let's compare Luke's account with Matthew's so introducing Jesus' private conversation with his disciples Peter has acknowledged that Jesus is the Christ and the same thing happened in Matthew 16 it's just that I've started it from verse 21 so you don't see it but Peter acknowledged that Jesus is the Christ just before leading up to this conversation okay now then hearing green where you can see in 22 in Luke and 21 in Matthew that Jesus explains to them that he must go to the elders the chief priest ascribes to be slain and raised on the third day so Jesus must be killed in order for everything to take place okay now before we just look at Matthew let me emphasise the fact that it's the son of man who must suffer these things so to read the next immediate verse and make that about you dying on the cross you know metaphorically for your salvation well you're not saved by you dying on the cross you're saved because Jesus died on the cross okay while we were yet seen as Christ died for us the shepherd lays his life down for the sheep okay it's not about you taking yourself to death to be saved it's ridiculous so it's the son of man that must suffer these things now in Luke it jumps straight from that to let him deny himself in Matthew we've got a two verse gap because something else happened in this story that Luke's Gospel doesn't document okay Peter took Jesus and began to rebuke him saying be it far from you Lord that this shall not be on to you and then he rebuke Simon and said get behind me Satan so Peter doesn't seem to want Jesus to go through with this now obviously we don't know all of the background about what's going on in Jesus head and what Peter's head I mean and what Peter was thinking but it seems to be from what we do know from these two verses that Jesus explained he must be killed he must go to suffer this and Peter doesn't seem to want this to happen right Peter's against this obviously Peter maybe doesn't understand the implications of why Jesus has got to go and do this so in a carnal sense Peter doesn't want this to happen so that sets the premise for Jesus saying this statement let him deny himself now then I've just painted these bits in green as well if any man will come after me so we've got those parallel verses there let him deny himself take up his cross and follow me now there's kind of a double entendre I don't know if that's the right word to use but there's kind of two things going on here that Jesus is saying because there's the literal application and there's a spiritual application to his words as well okay now that the literal application if any man will come after me will come after him where where is he going right well he's going to be rejected by the elders the chief priests and scribes and he's going to be slain by them and raised on the third day that's where Jesus is going so if any man come after me in that literal application let him deny himself and take up his cross because remember Jesus is going to his cross Jesus is going to die on the cross and follow me so that's the literal application to his death on the cross okay now idiots want to make that about salvation well the thing is we know from the story that nobody did follow Jesus to his death his disciples for suck him okay we have the hindsight to already know about that part of the story so we already know that going into what Jesus is saying here Jesus is talking to his disciples look I'm going to go away to the cross any man come after me onto this cross let him deny himself take up his cross and follow me to where I'm going to go nobody did follow Jesus to where he's going to go okay Jesus went to the cross alone I obviously had the two thieves with him but they're not part of this exchange here they're not relevant to this issue the disciples did not follow Jesus to his death on the cross okay he was abandoned he was forsaken so if we want to make this a salvation thing by doing that well immediately we've got a problem because Jesus as close as disciples didn't even meet the requirement Jesus went to the death on the cross alone and well we can't follow him to the cross now he's already done it okay it's too late so that falls apart immediately let's just focus on what Peter said to Jesus before this deny yourself business that he didn't want Jesus to go through with this well if we compare it with John chapter 13 at John chapter 13 Peter seems to be a bit more at ease about it so where do you go Lord he says in John 13 36 Jesus answered him where I go you cannot follow me now okay so again Jesus already knows that Peter's not going to go through with this but you shall follow me afterwards so Jesus knows that Peter's going to follow him after his resurrection okay and I'm not going to go into the reasons why all that is you know it's far too lengthy and profound to discuss it now but Peter then said unto him Lord why can I not follow you now I will lay down my life for your sake well again Jesus has to correct him there because Jesus already knows that he's not going to carry it out okay you will deny me three times and of course that's what Peter did we already know this Jesus already knew this Peter would not carry this out so again people want to say well you need to deny yourself and go to the cross with Jesus himself to be saved well his closest disciples and one of them said he would and he didn't nobody followed this through you're not going to follow it through either because you're not better than the disciples that actually are around with Jesus okay so the literal application for salvation doesn't work but we do have a spiritual application this is where I've put it in red because in verse 24 in the Luke one and in 25 in the Matthew one this is where Jesus says who so ever will save his life shall lose it but who so ever will lose his life for my sake the same shall save it and so what what does Jesus mean by that well a good parallel is something similar that Jesus said in John's gospel in chapter 12 now in John chapter 12 Jesus is not speaking specifically to his disciples because this is a chapter before he'll do that he's speaking to other people but he does use a similar phrase he says he that loves his life shall lose it and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it onto life eternal okay so whatever it means what what he's basically saying here is love not this life that we have now onto death focus on life eternal so don't throw away eternal life because you're so desperate to save this life don't worry about saving this life hate this life now lose this life because you have eternal life anyway okay that you're going to keep it onto life eternal so it it doesn't matter if you die in this world if you have eternal life okay that that's the essence of what Jesus is saying here so that's how he's defining let him deny himself take up his cross and follow me okay now then that was Matthew 16 but Jesus uses some similar language with the disciples in Matthew chapter 10 so six chapters before this one and yes it's with his disciples again but it's in a slightly different conversation because it's when he actually sends them out whereas that that's not the context in Matthew 16 and Luke 9 okay so let's have a look at how Jesus used a similar wording in Matthew 10 to what he says to them in Matthew 16 or Luke 9 okay so he's sending out the 12 he's going to send them out to preach the gospel here the sake etc etc they're going to you know go this way go that way go everywhere now he's telling them a few things to prepare them for the journey and then he goes on to say I send you forth the sheep in the midst of the wolves but be aware of men because they'll deliver you to councils you'll be brought before governors and kings they'll deliver you what but think you know don't worry about what you're going to say because you know it will be given to you what to speak brother shall deliver up brother to death so you know you may be betrayed by your own family betrayed by your you know father child children rise up against the parents cause them to be put to death so you could the the the typals could essentially be killed by members of their own family their their own brethren okay now in my country today I probably don't have that problem you probably don't have that problem living in the United States but someone from a muslim family or you know a jewish family maybe that's a danger in some parts of the world particularly in some cultures and that was a danger during that time that the the jews would go out and kill people who were professing Christ we know that that happened in the bible okay so that's going to happen and then that's all going to happen because you will be hated for my namesake okay but then it goes on to say that he that injures to the end should be saved an epiucion will love that because that's like you know you must go through all of this to be saved on to life eternal here's what's so stupid about that though folks this is not an instruction it's an encouragement because the thing is with persecution or if you're hated it's not a command for you to go out and get people to hate you okay like epiucion is doing when he screams repent of your sins to people who aren't interested in listening you are not commanded to just invite persecution and invite all this hatred and make it happen to you okay but just by preaching the truth just by giving the gospel these things can happen to you so persecution is something that will happen to you but it's not necessarily in your control you don't necessarily invite it you don't necessarily ask for it but it will come your way and there's nothing you can do about it it's just going to happen so that's why he says he that injures to the end shall be saved don't worry about the persecution don't worry about people putting you to death you endure all that it's going to happen but you know what you shall be saved you enjoy to the end because you shall be saved because Jesus already passed the believers from death on to life okay don't worry about this life don't don't be scared about what's going to happen in this life have confidence in your everlasting life okay now people believe in conditional security can't have that confidence now then he says in the next verse but when they persecute you in this city flee into another well why have I bothered to highlight that because Epiucion apologetics made it all about you going to your cross and dying on the cross for Jesus you know for your if you don't do that you're just not saved well the thing is he didn't say but when they persecute you go to the very cross itself okay he said flee into another city so you know what if you're being persecuted it is okay to flee into another city believe it or not okay so you know he wants to you must be willing to go to death for you know stick that up your pipe and smoke it idiot so that's that and then further down he then goes on to say fear not and again this is just understanding why is he telling them these things why is he saying this fear not them people men persecutors who can kill the body but they can't do anything to your soul fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell so we should be fearing the Lord we shouldn't be fearing men we don't have to worry about what they can do to our body we have eternal life that that's that's God's thing that takes care of us okay that's very similar to what he said in Luke 9 who so ever shall save his life should lose it but who so ever shall lose his life and I think the same shall save it it's not that well you must do with these things to be saved guess what believers are saved okay so don't worry about this life don't fret about physical life and what man's going to do to you that's the point of what he's trying to get across to them okay it's not a salvation instruction that's ridiculous to read it that way so there you go that's what he's trying to explain to him and then again he's using similar languages so he goes on to say whosoever therefore shall confess me before men him will I confess also before my father which is in heaven but whosoever shall deny me before men him will I also deny before my father in heaven well again why is he telling them these things well they're going to go out and preach the gospel they're going to go out and heal the sick and they're going to go out and do this that and the other preaching the kingdom now then if I preach the kingdom to somebody I don't necessarily know always whether they're very receptive to it or not okay now some people will be happy to talk to you for a while but they still won't get saved another person will be listening but they may not want to just accept it there and then they want to you know go home and mull it over think about it and some people a tiny number of people are just like yes I accept your testimony and I accept that now let's get saved so different people are going to give you different kind of responses but this is just an easy test to understand how do we know if somebody is receptive to our preaching or not well if he confesses me before men or before you when you preach to them he will I confess so that's just a way that we can tell well that person is receptive and got saved and believer on Christ because they confessed it now we don't know for sure but it's a good indicator okay and if they deny me before men they say no I deny the Christ well then we assume that that person's not saved okay so that's what that is it's an easy test to understand is somebody saved or not by how they receive the preaching that they're giving alright we then goes on to explain this further that he's going to set people at variance with one another okay people are going to fall out because of Jesus here now he's already explained don't fear those that are able to kill the body fear him who's able to destroy soul and body now you might wonder well if the disciples are saved what why is this even a relevant warning because that if he's not going to destroy but remember that the disciples are preaching to other people as well and so the disciples need to get across to Jewish audiences hey don't fear your family the people that are going to be set at variance fear God which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell and he will destroy your soul and body if you reject the Christ because it's whoever confesses Christ and whoever denies Christ and although that's in a different color yellow that's very similar to what he says in the other account where it's whosoever shall be ashamed of me in my words him shall the son of man be very ashamed very similar there not not entirely alike very similar so he explains all that to him and so now we've got all of the context all of the premise by what he means he that takes not his cross and follows after me is not worthy of me okay now what's the danger who are these people who will not take up their cross and follow him well it's those that are going to deny him before men and possibly maybe the reason why it might be that actually they're quite compelled by the message of Christ but Jesus is going to set them at variance against their mother their father son daughter whoever okay now to us again in Europe today or America it seems a bit silly that someone would reject the gospel because of what their family might think but again we didn't live in this Jewish society where people could be killed if a member of the family converted to Christ and you know what in Muslim countries and in some even some Muslim families in the Western world that is a real danger okay there is such thing as honor killings and various stories where you know Muslims have been at risk because they've converted to Christianity it's a genuine danger and so that the overall fabric of what the Jesus getting across to the disciples is if it's all about you know we don't fear what happens in this life don't let fear of what can happen in this life and don't let fear of men stop you from confessing Christ and getting saved okay now obviously the disciples they're already believers but they have got to preach this stuff to other people as well because when Jesus departs after he resurrects well then it's left over to the disciples to carry on from there when he sent them out it's the disciples that are going out and preaching Jesus is not doing it himself okay and so then we see he that finds his life shall lose it and he that loses life for my sake shall find it so it's not that well you must do these things to be saved that that's not the message here folks the message is don't let fear stop you from getting saved and I've talked about this in more detail in a video gospel of John chapter 9 biblical salvation and I discussed in a bit more detail this issue about people who were fearful of confessing Christ because there were examples of people who were too fearful about being thrown out of the synagogue or what the Jews might do to them and so they wouldn't confess the name of Jesus okay it was a very real danger for these people okay so Epucion can brag about how he accepts all this persecution and he's a tough warrior he's not that tough folks because these people actually had real things to deal with so this is the context right now it's so stupid then to read this statement deny himself as all these works that you've got to do for your salvation because that's not even what deny means now if you deny somebody you're either you're not allowing them entrance to somewhere but obviously that's not really the context here because you want to be admitted to heaven you don't want to deny yourself heaven but deny can also mean well it's the opposite of confess we've already read that in Matthew chapter 10 you've got confess and you've got deny so what do you need to do well you need to deny self and confess Christ and people like Epucion with their work salvation and just their butchering of these passages and how they just misappropriate what Jesus means here they're not denying themselves they're confessing themselves if you think your work's going to help you get to heaven you haven't denied yourself you confess yourself and you don't fear the living God okay it's as simple as that but let's just have a few more parallel passages while we're on this point so Mark 8 is obviously the same narrative as Matthew 16 and Luke 9 but there's nothing really new or important extra detail that it's going to give us so Jesus does also use this statement to take up your cross in Mark chapter 10 so we'll have a look at that in a second a good parallel passage to support what we read in Matthew 10 is that Luke says in 18 and he said on to them everything I sent to you there is no man that left house or parents or brethren or wife or children for the kingdom of God's sake who shall not receive manifold more in this present time and in the world to come everlasting life so there's a great encouragement you know don't worry about being set at variance with your family over the gospel you you know there's more to come in life everlasting so again it's this focusing on life everlasting not focusing on this life that's what keeps being coming across here so let's look at the Matthew sorry the Mark 10 issue so this is where it's actually the rich young ruler story and he comes up to Jesus saying good master what shall I do that I mean her eternal life and Jesus says why do you even call me good there's there's non good but one that's God well obviously we know that Jesus is good that's another story for another day event again it's quite interesting that Jesus says this he says you know the commandments do not do this that and the other well the problem with this man is that he claims to have observed all of those commandments okay and so it's like well why do you call Jesus good if you think that you're good because you do all of these commands and again here's the problem with people like Epiusio they think that's an instruction they don't grasp the irony that it's quite well established in the Bible that man doesn't do these commandments that's why Christ had to come and die for us okay so Jesus beheld him and loved him he said one thing that you like go your way sell whatever you have give to the poor and you shall have treasure in heaven and come take up the cross and follow me so there's that there's that same statement again taking up the cross okay so again this is another one where Epiusio and he's gonna jump on that and say we'll see he's got to give up all his wealth and do this that and the other that's what it means no because if you just keep reading the verses it's gonna tell you what Jesus actually meant so the rich man went away grieving and then it's how Jesus looks to his disciples and said how hardly they that have riches enter the kingdom of God okay and then he also says in the next one how hard it is for them that trust in riches so there's the problem with the rich young ruler he trusted in his riches and he claimed to obey the commandments that's why he couldn't get saved so that's why he says take up the cross so again it's the same thing you're so worried about your riches and you're so worried about this life and you think you obey all the commandments now that you won't believe that only I am good okay you need to take up your cross that again that's what it means it's perfectly consistent with everything else it's got nothing to do with what Epiusio is talking about now one last point then just to top this all off you might ask well okay why does Luke's gospel say take up his cross daily because if it's all about just getting saved well that's not a daily action then is it yeah well that's a good point but the thing is though folks again we already dealt with this earlier in this refutation video all the way back when we dealt with John chapter 6 we saw disciples of Jesus who walked no more with him and guess what Jesus knew from the beginning they believe not so if somebody takes up his cross in theory they what we would say they believed and presumably got saved but then they're not doing it daily and there's a point when they fall away again well guess what they never saved it was a vain belief there you go perfectly consistent with everything else in the Bible again and so you can sit there and say well I don't agree with that definition I just think you're totally off on that well the thing is we went to the passages where Jesus actually said take up your cross he didn't do that he's just picked a load of random passages that have got nothing to do with the issue and he's made that his deaf definition you can't do that you can't just pluck random verses out and make that your definition of stuff otherwise that's just why everybody else has their own definition but you know it's all wrapped up in this false surrender your life to Christ to be saved business anyway but you know you can't just make up your own definition let the Bible define it for you and Jesus defined it for you okay so that's all I can really say about it