 What's up friends, this is Steve your neighborhood CRT expert and today I'm going to jump into the pricing. That's right recent pricing for any Pro CRT monitors and this is a segment that I've featured in the past, you know six months I've really been tracking sales of Pretty much for any pro video monitor that happens and the ones that I'm really taking a look at are those that are on eBay because they are very trackable and anybody who wants to go back and find any of these individual sales Should be able to do so by just doing eBay search history and sell listings for the specific time period So again today's video We're going to be looking at specifically March and April in 2020 because I want to see what kind of Reaction the market is taken to our quarantine situation. So if gamers are locked up in their house Are they spending more money on pro CRTs to make sure they can finally play with one? Well, let's see What the statistics say so first off? Let me move myself a little bit Back down in the picture here and we'll get started on this presentation. So again, here are the details Let me move myself a little bit out in case you want to read him, but It is we're looking at pro CRT monitor sales on eBay mostly in North America Okay, the sales data does reach between March all of March up to May 5th I even went a little bit beyond May 1st So we've got a couple extra days of data in there and in sales Most of them are going to include shipping costs I did mark on there if they were a local pick up So you'll be able to tell which ones were locally picked up They do not include taxes and that's something I wanted to say a quick second about Because over the last couple of months for sure I've noticed on any of the sales that I've done that eBay has charged Sales tax for your area sometimes for the monitor So that's if you're already paying a high price for the monitor Then you got to think about that too. Is it am I going to be taxed or if I'm getting this transported across Some kind of line of a border That's outside of the country am I gonna have to pay a tariff most likely so check those out See what your normal tax rate is for your area and then I'm gonna have notes on some of the monitors that were sold Highlights some specific monitor sales and I didn't list this on the details But then we're gonna look at everything at the end and we're gonna see you know what's actually happened in the market I'm gonna give you some more tips that if you're looking for a monitor What's the best way to get the best price on one and then we're gonna keep going and that'll be it for this today's episode so first thing let's jump into some sales data right away and The first thing I want to look at here. Oh, excuse me real quickly is the sales data for Ekigami CRT monitors and again, I want to say something else. I've highlighted like smaller monitors in the past I did not go through if they were not, you know 14 inches or 13 inches or larger and if they did not have Pretty much RGB. I left them off this month's Statistics, okay, so let's just go back into this Ekigami data. Okay, you have five sales of noteworthiness During that time period for Ekigami The first ones are just some standard not I know just regular RGB monitors what I will warn people is that these ones are not gonna Look the same as like, you know these higher this higher end one the one I have highlighted in the middle is the highest end one and it is HTML and that is Or the HTM 1517 are and that is the model that's pictured over here on the side That is a high definition or multi-format monitor So it'll go from 240p all the way up to 1080i so it's on the level with you know your 14L 5 PVM and then of course any BVM that is a multi-format also This is that's this version the other ones, you know, they're going for about 300 Plus dollars I mean the prices are all over the place on this one because a lot of people just aren't aware of what they are So this is a monitor you can get a deal on but you have to be careful We'll warn you because some of the monitors just don't you know it some of them. It can be really old and I don't personally feel like the shadow mask to Ages as well as a Trenatron tube and what I mean is is I just personally I think the Trenatrons can look a little bit better after you know even after 20-30 years and sometimes You get a little bit more washed-out look earlier You know at least in my experience with some time some shadow mask tubes I'm not saying you're gonna have that problem with this but I've noticed on my old Which are come from the 80s my old ikigamis just they just don't look any good that good But any monitor from the 80s would look probably bad. Okay, so This one is our HTMLR sale that was $500. Okay. This was the actual sale right here $500 sale and I brought this up because I thought this monitor should have easily sold for a little bit more than 500 with shipping But you could see what the issue was It said it worked fine. It wasn't tested but when they had their patterns brought up It was all red. So it looked like just the red gun was firing I don't really know anything about this monitor because I haven't had the pleasure of working on this specific version So maybe it was an easy fix for anybody who owns one of these and they thought they'd get another one But I just wanted you to know that there was a reason that the price was $500 Because normally this monitor would sell for at least two three hundred dollars more if it was in really good condition Now I did try to scourge the internet and find some anything noteworthy of a JVC monitor sale And so some of you may know that there are some JVC monitors that are pretty good This was really the only decent one that I could have find worth noting and it was a DTV 170 or 1710 CG again a Completely multi-format monitor that will go all the way from 240 to 1080 I and this one Actually was fully loaded it had a cards for the original RGB card and You know S video and analog video card with it and even maybe an SDI input on there So this is a very good monitor again The price is 850 because I don't know the exact price of it It was listed for like $1,200 but a best offer was accepted and eBay removed the Exact amount of a best offer. So I was guessing that this would have gone for about 850 because I don't feel like Somebody would have just put a really low bid in there and gotten approved. It did include shipping It said so anyway, that's about it for the non-sonies. There really wasn't a lot of movement at least of anything that was quality I couldn't find really any good panasonics that were sold And that that has more to do with just the market not being there where there's no more inventory on a lot of those and We're really running low on them. So another great PVM that I have featured is the Olympus oe v Model and we've got sales data here for the Olympus and I'm gonna go through here and show you What we've got we've got three one for three sales, which are 14-inch monitors and those are the same as a 14 m2 MDU medical version and then the 203 which is the 20 m2 MDU medical version, but I Wanted to show you there is one outlier here that is extremely cheap for an eBay sale And that was this March 8th one that I underlined and that was for $250 it was the only one out of any of these monitors that was game tested It was sold by a gamer, but it was a local pickup in New Mexico So you'll notice a lot of times in here when there are outliers like that It is because they're locally done and locally picked up Some other information of importance here these Olympus monitors most of the time came from Recycling facilities I could tell they were sold by recyclers. So that means they came off of lab or medical equipment They were never used for gaming most likely up till you know somebody buys them now And they're largely untested beyond being turned turned on for power So keep an eye on these Olympuses I always do because they tend to they're really great monitors the same thing and you'll see how much less these are actually selling for then the M2s you line directly from Sony and This is just a little bit more you could see what the pictures looked like on the listing Sometimes you just get a picture from the front and you wouldn't even see the screen turned on and other times you'd get Pictures like this where it would be some wacky color green on that picture. So that was for example the $400 Sale $390 sale of the Olympus monitor. That's that one. So just some information there about that now we're going to go into some BVM sales and To be quite honest with you there weren't again a ton of sales There was just you know, we're running low on the inventory of these higher quality monitors, which I'll speak to more at the end But we did have a colossal sale on eBay and that was for this D 341 or I W you monitor and that was 3750 dollars and it was local pickup only so Just so you know that and then we've got two 14 f5 views one was best offered at 375 the other was 460 so again, that isn't a completely analog BVM and very nice 14-inch BVM, but you're only gonna get 480 I and 240p out of that model and So that's kind of why the the price is a little bit lower and matches more along the lines of 14 inch PVM Now the last one here is a 20 f1u. It was best offered But that one was listed for way high. I mean that was the shipping cost total was 21 48 So there's 20 inches and above Especially on BVMs. It's really difficult to find unless you get a local sale or Something else like that similar. It's really getting me difficult to find a good Low, you know any kind of low price on anything over 14 inches, especially in a good work at BVM now Let's look at some of that m2 data that I was mentioning before when it came to that Olympus oe v and That is the 14 m2 and the 14 m4 u sales. These just generally have a ton of sales but Again, there's still a few these monitors on eBay But the we're really getting lower and lower and lower on the number available each, you know quarter The there's become less and less and less of these listed on eBay So during this time frame, we had nine total sales of the 14 inch m series monitor for m2 use or five m4 use and That's the price. There wasn't a huge price difference between the two. Those are the average prices 430 to 460 now, what does that mean? That means I'll tell you exactly. I've got my list here We got one that went for $334 one that went for $548 one that went for $358 and one that went $480. That's all the m2 sales all four of them So that'll tell you that you're going to be paying the lowest prices were $334 for a shipped one and barely tested just to power on or one that might be fully tested and has a good listing Going for as high as $548. That's a big price difference there So you definitely can save some money, but again the lowest price in two that was sold 14 inches 334 dollars shipped that was working and then the m4 use There were some Lower priced sales on there that kind of threw the average off a little bit So I'm going to show you because and then there were some that went crazy high So that a $460 average out of five sales. We had a $503 sale of $450 sale. There was a $270 sale of a 14m for you that was a local pick up and then there was one that went on there for $240 okay, so that was an instance where somebody had it listed and just didn't know what it was and had it even power tested I never saw the listing, but it went for only $240 so there's an example of somebody that was just patient watched ebay found one for cheap bought it $240 for 14 and for you as a steal because a month later in April one the very last sale was $732 $732 for a shipped 14m for you that was not restored and it wasn't sold by either myself or save on Pat It was just another Actually used audio video equipment company, so there's an idea of the m4 use I will mention quickly that is a price increase over last quarter's numbers of almost 30% Especially on those 14m to use the last average price for those was under $300 shipped for one There was tons of them sold and again, I think the price was about $290 so you got a big jump there especially on the m2's, but there's still an opportunity sometimes to find one It's just far a few and far between All right, so let's take a look at some other Sony pvms that are 14 inches that were RGB That's sold so we got 1350s There was a couple sales of that monitor and they average 290s, so that's in that's a still a pretty good monitor in the 50 series But it's very much the lowest end of the 50 series, so you're gonna get a lower TV line count I believe that's a 450 line tube on that monitor still does RGB But it doesn't have as many of the features as the 51 Q or the 54 Q Which both sold for surprisingly about the same price so that whole family of 50 series I couldn't find any 53s of note that were clean and sold, but there you've got another 7 monitors selling for between 270 294 and that's that's a little pretty even where the place was the lowest I will tell you where there was a 1354 Q that actually sold online Shipping was a hundred and seventy eight dollars, so that was extremely cheap It's the best deal on that one and there was a 1351 Q that was sold locally for a hundred and thirty dollars So that was a pretty good deal for whoever wound up getting that one Some other things to note there wasn't I haven't seen as many L2 series during this quarter only one 14 inch sold for 350 makes sense and Then there were some 14 in six use that are selling for actually more than the 51 Q's and 54 Q's and Honestly, I preferred the 54 Q to the n6 you if you had a choice between the two or they were the same shape The only thing is is the n6 is a newer monitor most of the time than those Q's and 50 series So take that into consideration All right Let me get myself out of the way make sure you could see all this information. We've got the 20m twos and The 20m for you sales data. These are the exact sales of these two monitors first up We got five sales of the 20m to so again When people say, you know, hey, how much of these costed this is how much they're costed, you know, just because you don't You know, you think the value might be too high. It doesn't matter. It's that's this is literally hard data. So The 20m to you. Let's just look at these quickly 647 806 426 457 599 and 8. Well, that's all 20m for use But there's a big price difference the lowest 426 the highest 806 and again, none of them were restored But this is all just a diff. This is a difficult thing to do ship a big monitor and really anybody who gets a Sony pvm 20m to for less than four hundred fifty dollars and it arrives shipped and fine You consider yourself to have gotten a steal or a great deal Because honestly it costs a lot of money to safely pack and ship these so these people did not really make any money Or not much money unless they got the monitors for pretty much nothing Which is a lot of times what happens with these resellers on eBay and Let's look quickly at the last three, which are the m4s, which is the 800 line all analog monitor from Sony and They have three sales there the lowest being the last one at 534 one before that for almost twice that and then a Local pickup for eight hundred and fifty dollars. So this one was an outlier to where someone got one for five hundred and thirty-four dollars Cret an incredible deal when you consider that one sold just two to three or three weeks four weeks earlier for almost twice as much keeping on those again, that's very condition heavy and Don't want to buy One and it's been that kind of money for something That's just not in good shape So make sure that if you are looking at those you end up with a good shape and one in shape But just some really incredible price numbers there on that 20 and 4 and m2 you and again those have gone up Significantly since there's not as many sales data on the monitors has been in the past just a couple of large sales really Kicks the average up on the price. So here's some other finishing up with these analog only Sony PVM sales. We've got a 1354 Q had three sales average five hundred and ten dollars They were all pretty much right around that number 2030s prices of 2030 Surprisingly has gone up and that I don't really know why but it's maybe something to do with the aesthetics but You're looking at it easily now and over six hundred dollar average on general on eBay for a 2030 now 2030s and you can find them generally sometimes one will pop up for four hundred dollars or So used to but now They're definitely where the three sales for an average of six hundred and then I wanted to point out these larger monitor sales We had three of them a 2950 and 225 30s the 225 30s went for about the same price nearly 670 dollars was the average. I mean One was 600 one was 750 And the 751 did include some speakers. So They were both local though no shipping on there and even the sellers would not ship that monitor same thing with the 2950 $950 local sale Still really difficult to get those monitors and if you find one in your area that works, it's worth grabbing All right, here's some of my favorites the multi formats You get myself out of the way just so you can see all the data here First off, this is the 1405 and it is by far my well one of my favorite 14 inch PVMs or even BVMs because it has such a beautifully small form factor You'll notice put I'm about to do some research or you know show you some videos where I'm comparing all the multi formats that Sony made because now I have them all and You'll be blown away by how much smaller in just frame size The 1405 is compared to like the a series or even the D series BVMs So that's going to be a great video, but here's the L5s man April and early May was a huge month for the L5s five sales Let's go through the numbers here because people have been telling me that they think this is just a $300 monitor in my discussion boards, but they're they're way off for you know retail on this Multi-format monitor the price has gone up April 1st 550 April 25th 609 April 25th also was the 393 Which was the video I did about my purchase of my 1405 and that was negotiated down from about $600 list price 1405 again on April 27th for 500 and then another one on May 7th for $770 so again they're all over the place between 500 and Almost $800 so I do have another listing on here for a fortune or an L5 and I'll show you here Soon, but it's not included on these datas and there is a specific reason for that because it was restored so let's get into some restored monitors and Show you some highlighted sales now. Everybody here might recognize this one. This was a restoration project I did and it sold it was a Sony PVM 14 n6u that is a hundred percent recapped 100 or well there was one cap I didn't replace because I couldn't get it so it's 99.5 percent recapped and Fully calibrated great condition. I have installed a newer tube in it and so 500 people like oh my goodness five hundred twenty dollars. Well, that's still new tube calibration and Fully recapped it That's still is a good deal. So That's a lot of effort put into it and again if you even buy one of these they go for you know $300 and then you're adding all again What I just told you most of them won't have the newer tube in them and they won't be professionally checked out and they won't be Professionally recapped. So there's the example on that sale I've got a couple other ones to highlight here like I said there was a 14 L5 that sold for 874 Dollars and that was from our buddy mr. Save on Pat himself That's the listing right here. You can tell his listings all look high quality and they look the same So but just make sure that if you do get on there and find a listing it looks like this that it's coming from save on Pat Because there has been a bit of a shadiness going on where people are like copying his listings and listing them online for quick sales And these high-end monitors especially out of the country somebody from Canada was doing it and kept getting called out for it But you know, we'll talk about that in a second, but I just want to highlight this This one was just professionally serviced by save on Pat and again the 14 L5 for 874 dollars shipped and of course he had a couple of other monitors a 20 L5 to so another one of the greats and this one sold for $1,650 and that was a local pickup. So no shipping there $1,650 so when people you know say how much is a 20 L5 and someone's like well a good price for a Recapt one is a thousand dollars Well, honestly, you're off. Okay a good price for a recapt one shift brought to you is going to be at least $2,000 now, okay. There's just a huge limit on the number of those 20 L5s and currently Even me I have a list of people that are willing to pay $2,000 a piece for them. I just don't have the monitors They there's literally a list of two or three people that want them so badly and I just don't have them available myself or I would provide it for them and that's So so a 20 L5, you know, honestly if I found a 20 L5 You know, that was for a thousand bucks and somebody had up a day were restored I'd probably buy them just so I could get them to these other people that are on my list of people and that would be You know a great profit. So there's not any reason To go through and think that you're good. I mean if you find one for, you know, a thousand bucks It's working good. You should grab it All right, and then finally we've got the highlighted BVM sale that is this huge BVM this D24 E1U that was WUU that came with the remote is fully loaded Reserviced refurbished by Save On Pat and again $3,750 and there was no shipping in that so that was a local pickup out in California And I just love seeing that kind of a sale because it just doesn't happen very often Especially on eBay and especially one that you know is going to be legitimate And that's what this is when involved Save On Pat. So those are the huge huge restoration sales from this quarter and I've got of course some big takeaways here. Sorry for the silly little bar graph thing on the picture But let's see if you can go through and read these with me First off most Sony PVM and BVMs have increased in price Exponentially I just showed you on the M series that was enough to throw in some good data where we had over a 30% price increase in a quarter and Then other monitors that are going for just huge amounts of money are the 20 inch ones especially a good 20 inch one that means a 20 m2 a 20 m4 and Definitely anything that's higher quality than that The best deals are still going to be your local sales And that's because you're going to save anywhere from 150 to 200 plus dollars on your shipping and freight charges and you're also going to avoid the risk of Having it damaged or destroyed So just take that into consideration if you find something that's local to you and you want to buy it Don't wait go ahead and get it because again somebody else will some people are driving I was listening people talk about driving 400 plus miles one direction just to get a monitor and then driving home. So You know people are doing desperate things to get them, especially if they're cheap So if one comes available locally, that's the way to do it your best prices locally are going to be usually retro gamers that want to get rid of a monitor they sell them for pretty decent to local people and then obviously the still old school ways of trying to go out and hit up every local Instance of every local industry that might still have had any of these in stock whether that's some kind of medical facility or medical wholesale supplier or Medical resupplier reseller and then of course anybody in the audio and video Industry that still would have these okay Good things come to those who are persistent and random and what I mean by that is the People are persistently checking on eBay every day. Maybe twice a day for new listings. Those are the ones who are getting the best deals That's obvious. I mean ran because random great deals are available. Like I said, we had some incredible deals where you had a 14m for you go for $240 shipped that's an incredibly random deal that somebody got on there some other Incredibly good random deals would have been the hundred seventy eight dollars for a 1354 queue and of course nearly all those Olympus mod well half the Olympus sales were incredible deals too because People just aren't searching for that as much as the name known monitors like the Sony's Restored monitors are selling for more and a premium price and that's a good thing for me and Pat Because that means we can still keep doing this and people still want to get them So that's actually a good thing that they are selling for more And it's a way for you to add value to your monitor if you go and buy one and you get it for cheap You think well if I can do what Steve's taught me or shown in any number of his videos on restoration If I can do that to my monitor, it's gonna instantly add three four hundred dollars in value to the monitor depending on which monitor is easily I I've said this a few times, but supplies are still extremely limited on larger monitors and better monitors And I don't see that changing there's no Place that is shown up with large amounts of stock anymore and our friend mr. Nick he Who you know you've seen some of my episodes in the past about? CRT sells Sales on eBay would have definitely involved the only shop first watch all those other names this guy was using to change up his store Well, he's gone from eBay So he's not even providing monitors back to eBay He must be running low or just holding on to his stock, which I doubt I think it's more of him running out of monitors Most top-end monitors are not being shipped outside of like a 14 inch Most people are just not willing to ship those top-end monitors, especially anything that's multi-format and over 20 inches, okay? And it's not a good idea to really do it even if you trust your shipping company You're still going to be taking a risk no matter what Be cautious about deals that are too good to be true because scams still do exist And I've had people send it to me where again if something's listed and it's too good to be true And you're getting shady information from the seller or no information back when you message them Don't feel bad if the sales gone and you missed the deal because most likely it was something shady involved always check people's feedback Definitely check what else they have listed for sale make sure that it's not a bunch of bogus looking stuff Ask them if they do know how to pack it. There's nothing wrong with putting a message on there and saying hey how do you plan on packing my monitor and Can I you know some people would even pack it better if you do that because they know you're paying attention So those are just some quick tips. The last thing I do want to show you is Etsy because There are some PVMs and BVMs for sale on Etsy and we just talked about our friend Nick and I'm sure some of you will recognize these listings because they've all moved over here to Etsy and Nick's over here slinging his wares on Etsy now and so these are just the monitors that he had listed at the time of this video and still super high prices and I know that He doesn't pre-service these he offers to take him to save on Pat for you and let's save on Pat charge you more to Fix them, which is fine for Pat because but you know just so you know these prices are gonna be extremely high for him and He didn't have much left. He had one 20. Oh five still listed down here at the bottom, but there's our famous Sonic 2 picture and Here's just the last photo of his listing page, which I thought was kind of quite kind of funny here because It's cause this is a CZC so many PVM and BVM enthusiasts So he's trying to remarket himself over here, which is fine on Etsy. I don't care He's getting better feedback on here and kind of hit reset So just know that that is what you're looking at for PVM and BVM sales I will warn anybody that buys something on Etsy. I've gone over there like return policy and customer service policy It's nothing like eBay's so you're not nearly as guaranteed on the protection of your money You'd have to pretty much rely on doing a PayPal transaction and again. I'm not sure Whether there's a direct pay option. I've never even bought anything off of Etsy. So Anyway, make sure you're familiarize yourself with The rules and know what risks you're taking when you use that but that folks is our big-time episode for MarketWatch this month and So hopefully you can see just kind of what prices are doing and it takes some of those tips and try again Don't be in a rush To get one if you find out about BVMs and PVMs Don't be any huge rush to go buy one sit back watch some of these things because the worst thing you can do is get Into a rush overpay for a monitor that's not as good as the price is asked and then have a bad shipping disaster And then all the sudden you've gone from something you really wanted and we're enjoying to or try to enjoy to play and it's It's just been messed up Now that's it for this episode. Hey, if you stayed with me this point, please make sure you like and You know subscribe and all that stuff to the channel But if you have any experiences you want to share about sales, maybe you've bought in the last two months And you want to add it, please do so in the comments. Let us know, you know, how much did you pay? Did you feel like it was a good deal? How did you find the monitor? There are some other places to still find monitors There's a reddit page that has CRT listings in a CRT Enthusiasts page on there. There's a new Facebook page that's taken the name CRT market watch and put that on as their name So look for that group. They're sharing listings from all over the world in there So you can look into Exporting but remember export is gonna take longer usually and then you're gonna have to deal with tariffs depending on the Negotiations between your governments of your country and the country you're taking it from and so there will be a specific tariff Applied to the price which could be high depending on how much you paid for a monitor because there are a lot of good monitors that are Multi-format and larger that are still available overseas. But again, leave me a comment Let me know what you think whether you've had a good sale experience or anything like that and guys I'll see you all next time with some more retro content. Have a great day