 Today, on the breakfast, the Medical and Dental Consultants Association of Nigeria rejects a bill seeking to make it mandatory for fresh medical graduates to provide services to Nigeria for up to five years before receiving full registration and license to practice. Also on the breakfast, reports say, on abated killings by suspected headers in Benware The state leaves no fewer than 400 dead in three weeks. We'll talk about security situation in Benware State. And don't forget, we'll also be looking through today's newspapers analysing the biggest stories of the day. Welcome to the breakfast in Plasti, Africa. I am Messi Boko. Happy holiday. It's a happy Easter Monday. And that's what it is. I hope you had a fantastic celebration and do not forget the reason for the season. Well, as always, we probably would have started with the top trending since here, apologists were starting off a little bit behind schedule. We're just delving to a paper review this morning where we have up on the bottom, Kotaariah, who joins us via Zoom this morning. And Kotaariah, good morning and thank you for joining us. Happy holiday. It doesn't feel like a holiday for you and I. Good morning, Messi and good morning, Nigeria, and well, happy Easter. Yes, happy Easter. Let's take a quick look at the papers. We'll start off with the punch now and looking at the punch newspaper. That's a lot of exciting stories. The punch says fuel subsidy removal, marketers sick CBN loans for 30,000 gas stations. That's what the punch says. Gas station to cushion subsidy removal effect as PMS may sell for 750 naira per litre. NARTO wants to end subsidy and I'll see to meet incoming government over subsidy removal. I think it's a conversation that everyone should seat on the desk and have. June is almost here. So you have May, June, very close. And asset declaration, defaulters may be removed from office. This is what you find on the punch and can governors or the speech love at Easter? I don't want to say hey, you need to love one another, but are you practicing what you're preaching? Yes. Harry vice president, NBA Mon XI CG George, that's another one, may he so rest in peace. And Bishop demands justice for 41 or attack victims as church reopened. Then again, band is slashed ransom for 85 Zamfra abductees, federal state lawmakers to get 49 billionaire federal government bars, online banks from accessing customers, photos and contacts. I mean, there's a lot of drama that just probably might be going on in the entire space. We'll move away from that then we look at the Guardian newspaper. The Guardian says the United Kingdom revise or reviews foreign health workers, recruitment and returns in Nigeria to Red Lease countries. Okay. So outage over bill mandating five year pre-licensed practice for Nigerian trained doctors, bill poorly researched, reels out inaccurate figures. Federal government's brain drain committee reports not implemented group inactive format. If bill becomes a law, government officials should stop medical tourism. That's also another conversation that you have there. And then still looking at the Guardian newspaper, there's also reports saying co-attacks Nigerians next government on nation building. And how Agbero multiplied used spike transportation cost by 25% is an editorial. You should read it. And we're definitely going to talk about that size of the conversation on the Guardian newspaper. We'll just move away from that then we'll have the Nigerian Tribune on the Nigerian Tribune this morning. NAS pending officers, APC governors may open talks with aspirants, gang up against Southeast thickens and group cautions not in contestants and PDP eyes, NAS presiding officers post. Ten months after our church reopens a me tight security and you can see a lot of persons were on wheelchair, the banks network failure, fraudsters, target customers migrating to digital payment wards. Then you also find traffic cures, looms as trucks, besieged lecky port for cargoes. We have talked about these over time, absence of holding bay worrisome. This is what tractors are saying, electronic call up coming soon. The NPA is also saying, I don't know whether you are fulfilled as president. And then we have the Daily Sun newspaper this morning. The Daily Sun says, Don't disappoint Nigerians, tax Buhari, you have fought a good fight, keep dreams alive, a day of blood, sorrow, and then you have gunmen kill, please injure orders in Lagos 15, burnt to death in Enugu highway crash, 10th national assembly group endorses Kalu for senate president and then the conversation can never end. Cardinal knocks CBN over Nair redesign, don't allow economic political situation way down your fate in God, Bishop and joins Nigerian and totally inflows to investors, exporters window heat 1.49 billion a match and Buhari governor's cooker. Federal Executive Council orders Monday ex justice minister, G Bola, who died at the age of 89. Well, that's the much we can take at this point in time. Open up on Kateria, are you here with us now? I'm always here with you. Okay then, sounds like Jesus saying that to his disciple, I've always been with you. Then let's go ahead then. What are your thoughts on the papers this morning? Looking at the punch newspaper, fuel subsidy removal, marketers are sickened the central bank of Nigerians loaned for 30,000 gas stations. And this has to do with, you know, plans of trying to caution the effect of the removal of subsidy and what the price of petrol might actually be 750 Naira per litre, that's what top quotas are saying 800 Naira per litre. What do you make of this movement and do you think that all the parts of the country, organization, businesses, people should begin to think ahead and, you know, find the way to just make plans for all of the effects of this? Well, when you talk of the effect of the removal of subsidy, there is not that plan you can make because except you have the likes of the dangota refinery when it starts working because it starts subjected to open to the vagaries of the market. Now the federal government needs to subsidize it. Don't forget that before now the federal government had said that the subsidy was a fraud. We expected they said there was nothing like subsidy, not that they were going to even remove subsidy. They said there was nothing like subsidy. It was only a decoy by past administrations to defraud the country. They came on board and continued with the subsidy and said, yes, there is actually a subsidy for eight solid years where they did not bother about the removal of subsidy. Rather, he's transferring the responsibility to his successors so that he doesn't take any blame, trying to escape himself from the hardship the subsidy was going to bring. And if you talk of the remedy like you just asked, what are the consequences of the removal of subsidy? Of course, when you say you remove subsidy, then it's no longer regulated by the government. That is what it means. So it will be subjected to the vagaries of market forces. And so the marketers and explorers are going to determine the price of petrol, diesel and kerosene. They are going to determine the price of those things per liter and usually expect a rise when such things happen. It becomes a capitalist society. And so some might sell at a particular price, others might sell at another price, or they might come together from the union that they've always, as they've always done and come up with one price. But definitely the price are going to be astronomical, whether we like it or not. I simply chose selling for as much as a thousand Naira at the end of this year. And so Nigerians are going to be worst hit. Now if you talk of the alternative, the alternative is gas. But the truth is that we actually utilize our gas. Don't forget that some years back, the world has always talked about the transition from petrol to gas. But in Nigeria, have we really translated? Are we even prepared to transit from petrol to gas? That is the question. Because we have leaders that are full of mouths that with high blood pressure, they come on there, they mouth all kinds of irrelevant bias, relevance and at the end of the day, nothing is done. You haven't had any of this. And have we, because we have enough gas in this country, more than enough gas. But because we have leadership that is full-sighted or leadership that is not able to do that at all, they are waiting for when the whole world will now transmit to gas that we might probably be about the last or second to the last or third to the last transit. Otherwise, ordinarily we shouldn't be talking about petrol in this country. But be that as it's made, I can tell you that at the end of the year, I can see a pump prize, a liter of petrol going fast, much as a thousand naira. And that is because the federal government will hands off completely. And it's to a large extent, I can also tell you that the subsidy is a scam, it's a fraud. Because you have the cocktail that I charged. Look at what happened with said fuel scarcity and look at how much you bought. Some of us bought fast, much as 800 naira per liter, just within that short period, 800 naira per liter. So what they expect when there is no longer regulation, federal government regulation, it will go up to 1000. By end of next year, we'll be talking about 2000, 1000, 5000. Because these are capitalists that are in that business to make money. Profit making is a primary motive for getting into that petroleum business. So definitely by next year, we should be buying petrol for 1500 to 2000 naira per liter. These are going to be the consequences of the subsidy rulebook. Because you can see the marketers are agitated. They really want to increase these prices, but because of the so-called subsidy, because the federal government is subsidizing the sale of this petrol. Example, some saving in the nuts, they have different prices for the petrol. And the prices in the nuts are quite different for the prices in the south. Well, I cannot ascertain the veracity of that. But talking of the consequences, of course, Nigerians are going to be happy. We're going to be buying petrol for 1000 at the end of this year and at least 1500 naira by next year. But there's also another header this morning on the punch, the current governor's orders pretty low at Easter. I'd like to ask you, why is it that we can be described as a country where religion is big? So you have Christianity, you have Islam, and then you have those who are traditionalists because you can't ignore them and those who believe in all this stuff. And then if you look up, if you want to juxtapose the level of crime and criminality, it's not in connection with love that all of this religion believes actually practice. What exactly is going on? You remember who was that? Barrow White. Barrow White. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Go ahead. Barrow White, practice what you preach. You're telling me this. You're telling me that. You know that's some barrier. Yes, that depicts the Nigerian situation. If today, there is one to call rapture. If today, God decides to say it's judgment day, Nigeria will be like him to Sodom and Gomorrah. Because God will assure me one innocent man and I will save the nation. Most of these pastors are very sure to say. No, why are you starting with pastors? You say one innocent man. It could have been you. I mean, I'm not just using. Let's start with the traditional. Let's start with that. If you want to start with that, should we start? Can you hear me? You can also be one person that could save the country or the world. No, no, no. We talked of churches. No, you talked of religion. You talked of the traditionalist. You talked of the Muslims. You talked of the Christian. And then love is far away from us. If you look at that. I want to tell you now. Don't worry. Don't worry. Yes, it does come down. This applies to all. What I'm going to say about the pastor, it applies to all. None is exonerated. But because we don't have time, I cannot go into Muslims, clerics and all this. So it applies to all. Most of them are criminals. Those are the ones Jesus says, still in the name of the Lord. And it's logged out. Most of them are into that business simply because one, you don't pay tax. And two, it's another venue to siphon money. You cannot go and tell the church to come and prove how he got the 20 million around the Sunday. It depends on his congregation. So most of them use that to siphon money. So it is business. Even the traditionalist, you go to them these days. You go to them. You go to their assistance and not they have the same thing with the Muslim clerics. So they are not, they are not, they are not actually called by God to serve. That's the point I'm making. They are businessmen. I always tell people, I say Christ on earth never had a church. I'm using him as an example now. Never had a church. He healed as he walked. There was nothing like you didn't have faith. Therefore you cannot be healed. There was nobody with infirmity that came across Christ that was not healed. Even when the demons in him rebuked Christ, Christ commanded them. Now you see pastors, they have, you have cripples in their churches. They cannot heal those ones. Yet they tell you they have healed the other ones outside, faces you don't know. But the ones in their churches, they cannot heal. They have not gone to hospitals for the deaf to hear, the blind to see, the lay to walk. We've not seen all those. They devised the new means now. What is the new means? You have cancer in your system. Be healed. Be healed. Then the next thing, they come up to the doctor and go, that one has been healed. Can't go to the hospital and heal a cancer patient that is at stage four. You cannot see. So they are just businessmen. And that is why you hear everything. How can everybody, the churches are springing up. They make all the home money. But the truth is, they've not been called. So they don't have the powers. They don't have what it takes to ensure sanity in the society. In fact, they are part of the person disguising, worsening the situation in this country. Because they are like the Pharisees and the Sadducees. It goes across all over. They were, they were, that's what the point is. They are the Pharisees and the Sadducees. So it's a, and Jesus was angry with the Pharisees and the Sadducees. He was bitter. Even those that went to church, he flocked them out. So how can you expect us to be religious? And behave like Christ? Or behave like Prophet Muhammad? Or did Muhammad, other days, people, like, did Muhammad approve of people like the Book of Adam and Eve? Yes. They are killing in the name of Muhammad. Go to the traditional setting. Those good old days, in the days of Muhammad. Open up on Qatari. So I mean, So I think that you have, you know, based your answers to the parts where you have the priest in each of this religion, practicing and what it's obtained. My concern is about the tenet of this religion. If you look at Christianity, the tenet of Christianity's love, if you also look at Islam, love is also it. I can't categorically say what it is for the traditionalist, but I wouldn't say anything different. So for me, it's not about those who are leading, but I'm saying that those who are believing it, the behavior and the practice over time has constituted, because open about, just allow me land with this one now. If you look at the way how toxic our society is and how the entire governing space is, and even the elections that we have just finished, and even the fact that you have issues brewing after the election, you ask yourself who exactly are these people? They are Christians, they are Muslims, they are traditionalists, and their actions and behavior. Can we correlate? Can we connect them to the tenet of what they believe? How come those, because if you look at the people who snatch the ballot boxes, I don't think they are spirits from different planets. They are people who are professing either they are Muslims or Christians or traditionalists, and what advice is that they are believing? And all of these tenets of religion or what it is, if you look at them really, love is the ultimate thing. And so how come the world is so chaotic? We are just so, there's a lot of wickedness everywhere. People are dying. People are just, I mean, there's so much that's going on that you can't find to them. So it is that, and of course for the Christian religion, it's a time to talk about love and everyone is preaching it. And so my question is, why is there no connection with what people profess and what their practice in terms of manifestation of what we see in policy and every other thing? Not just they needed to, you know, the priest in charge, but every one, including you and I. We use the priest because they are supposed to serve as role models. I'll get my point. We use the priest because they are supposed to serve as role model. But don't also forget that Christ himself said, not all that say, Lord, lords are getting to the kingdom. It's not as if you don't have Christians. Good ones. It's not as if you don't have Muslims. It's good ones. It's not as if you don't even have the traditional, like you say, good ones. But not all the services, as far as I say, they were calling God and calling all kinds of people. They believed in God. But the truth is, was it from the heart? And as I said, it is not what comes out of view that defiles what goes inside, but what comes out of it. It's talking of your mind. So definitely you're going to have everybody calling God. Okay, look at you want to go to church in the morning. As you get to the church, before you leave your house, you're quarrelling with somebody. You get to church, you get of this message, in church. Then in church, you keep working. It may have that service. You resume the quarrel. That's the kind of society we live in. So it's an individual race. That, as I say, it's an individual race. But unfortunately, the bad ones have nobody good ones. But you still have good ones. But the bad ones have nobody good ones. And it has all been like that. Even before the coming of Christ, even while Christ was on earth and after Christ. He came for the sinners. He didn't come for the righteous. And the sinners were bound. In every situation, the bad thing will outdistance the good work. That is human nature for you. So there is nothing we can do about it. And so it will be until Jesus will come, the judgment day. He cannot change it. The number of churches will not change it. Because the churches, the pastors of Jehovah's years are businessmen. That's the point I'm making. They are businessmen. All they go to most churches, not the fifth, fourth, fifth, fourth churches. In fact, in most cases, they misinterpret the Bible. They interpret the Bible to suit themselves, to see how much money will come. They are more interested in the congregation. Because the more they know the number, the richer you become. And unfortunately, their followers have also been misled. But it's an individual race. That's what I keep telling people. Because even if you die with your son, with your father, with your wife, with your husband, you'll be judged differently by God. For those of us that are Christian, you'll be judged differently by God. So my dear, we shouldn't even bother about that. But even apart from that, for you to redeem your moral life, you must not even be a Christian, a Muslim, or a traditionalist. You Muslims, you can have an attest that is very, very, very, very civil. It has to build your conscience. You must be a Christian. You must be a Muslim. We all know what is good and what is bad. Prevent what is bad and do what is good. You must be a Christian. You must be a Muslim. So it really has nothing to do with the churches to say, no, no, no, it's an individual thing. It's an individual race, like the born against, we'll call it, individual race. Up in the Bancatariah, this is also a very strong one. The United Kingdom has actually reviewed the foreign health workers recruitment process. And however, according to the front line or the front page of the Guardian newspaper, Nigeria has been returned to Red Lease countries. And at the time, countries that are on the Red Lease are not supposed to be hired. Even though there were reports in 2022 that, you know, the UK was still hiring from Red Lease countries. I like to share your thoughts, you know, on this particular one, especially if you juxtapose that with the Jaqba syndrome and also, you know, the fact that you have medical brains moving here and there. Well, it is unfortunate. It's a sad development. I must say that because when you consider the working conditions of our doctors here, most of them, when they travel out, they excel in their various clinics and hospitals and what have you. So it is quite sad. It's been a disadvantageous to the doctors. Unfortunately, in this, because even if you look at the bill, which is a bill where they said I mean, every new medical practitioner will have to wait for five days. That's ridiculous as it is. You know, I mean, there cannot be a proletarian in it and that's perpetrated under the shield of the law. You're trying to untwist them. You wanted to remain here. You know what? They are working in the environment where the condition is not conducive. Now, back to your question. The building government probably has a reason for that. I don't also want to think it has to do with all this. Because I understand it was a Nigeria. Nevertheless, they have a reason. I don't have not read that story and I cannot for now speak on the reason, but our doctors have performed tradition. So I can't really fathom why the British government will want to put Nigeria on the red list and prevent them from moving over to the coast. Because from what we got, if for example, your medical doctor and you perform at this personally, you cannot defend your satisfaction or know what your audience are for, that should be an individual business. But for you to do a blanket one, I am surprised about most medical doctors, even if you travel out before you've been employed, of course, there has to be some level of examinations you have to pass. So I don't think it should be a blanket thing, but I don't have the details when it comes to that. I don't have the details. That's just about that. Let's just look into that. Just as we move on from the paper review this morning, you have APC governors may open talks with aspirants. There probably might just be a lot of back and forth with all of that. I'd like to share your thoughts on it. Sorry, the APC governors may open talks with aspirants. Yes. NAS presiding officers, APC governors, that's on the Nigerian Tribune, by the way. Yes. I mean, it's a normal thing that the elections are over, the litigations are on. Definitely there are great parties, even though they belong to the same political party, but there are good persons and probably they want a situation where they'll smitten out the rocks and don't also forget that people will be adjusting for positions and so on. So basically, I think conflict is a functional interaction. Man cannot not come to the field, but the real essence, the most important thing is resolution of the dispute. So the conflict. So I think that is what they are working on right now, to see how they can have a united party. And based on that, you could have appointments, they could compensate you with appointments, because definitely a lot of aspirants would have been agreed. We are not talking about candidates, we are talking about aspirants. A lot of them probably would have been agreed. And most of them would have been trying to maybe leave the party or something. So it is important for them to judge you with a view to resolving whatever the issues are. And most of them will be compensated with appointments and so on. I mean, it's normal for people to discuss in the world. It's quite normal. But the important thing is the outcome of that discussion. So it's okay. Well then, how would you also react to this particular one? The fact that the National Assembly tent, National Assembly groups are actually endorsing or a group is endorsing Kalu for Senate President. The conversation is that, oh, we should get to the South. And then we are saying, if we look at the on the college, it's not a gentleman's agreement, an agreement that is not constitutional. If the entire polity was unable to respect that, that it should have been the turn of the South. Precisely, people have said it should be the turn of the South East, especially when you have the rotation going to the Southwest, and the not at large, then it should have gone to the South East. If that has not been respected, even at political party levels, what is the guarantee? What's the effect of having these groups endorsing Senate President? And even the Senate, I mean, Audrey Zocali already putting out the argument for him wanting to become the Senate President. Is there any logical reasoning or backing to that argument? Oh, yes. You see, the presidency, when you consider the office of the presidency, most people might not want to gamble that. Even if they make you the vice president, they make you the Senate president, they make you the speaker or deputy speaker of the National Assembly, your powers cannot be compared to that of the president. And so it could come as compensatory. What a lot of persons fight for is the presidential to get the president every other thing is second, including the vice presidential to get second. Like most people say, it's a spare tire, you know? Well, it has some constitutional powers recently. But then, I'm not going to talk about Audrey Zocali. I'm not going to speak on this competence. Well, I think since the vice president is from the southeast, the vice president is from the north, the Senate should come from the east. Because they have to be compensated. They have been so marginalized, you know, there's this level of discrimination. I call it mana coast segregation and change discrimination against the southeast. So the Senate president will go to the south. I'm not saying you should go to the south. That's not what I'm saying. I cannot vouch for this. It's integrity. I say governor. I mean, I just can't. And I hope there's somebody else. Nevertheless, we are talking about the zone now. We should go to the south east so that you can start pacifying. You can start the healing process. Oh, yes, we did not get the presidency without whatever it takes. But at least the southeast, we have the Senate president. He could compensate. He could pacify them. He could deal with broken and wrong state. Because the people are really agreed. And I am in support of that. And that is what is responsible for that. So let the Senate president, the Senate president is no small man in any way. In America, the speaker of the house is almost as powerful as the president of the country. So let this office of Senate president go to the south. At least to make them happy, they're very loud. Because the Senate president is number three man in the country. That's my take on the issue of zoning. But, you know, I'm not saying it's not those. I mean, I'm just saying that let's be very, you know, rational with how things have panned out. We have made several excuses. We have given reason why that agreement that was made when you and I were not even present. I'm not sure. Maybe you were there at the time, but not physically present. I wasn't there being consulted to have this sort of agreement. The point is it has not been respected to any point. And then again, what's the rationale? Because it feels like at this point we're throwing, you know, the argument is still who is very qualified. We don't really need to think about where you're from, whether you're from a certain ethnic religion. And we have also, no, no, no, no. No, open up on Kataria. You know that over time, we have also made it look like religion and ethnicity has not influenced our polity. Meanwhile, that has always influenced, you know, who becomes the president or whatever it is in this country. But on the other hand, you know, so far, we have ignored it. We're making it look like, oh, it's not the point. It's not supposed to be a conversation, but this is who we are. That's what it is. And that has become. So why are we even talking about this one? We didn't even pay attention to the previous conversation that has been going on, even in various policies. For instance, a party has, you know, the PDP, the APC, the Muslim ticket, and then, you know, not having it zoned to the southwest or a bigger part in the south is in the PDP. These are the conversations. And then again, why should we be talking about who cares whether it goes to a certain region or not? As long as you have a Senate president, should all Jews or Kalu be bothered about what comes to him? He goes to the east. Was he part of the entire conversation for zoning and not zoning? Open up. I'm sure that, can you hear us? Yes, I have. You went up there. You went up for about a second. So I really don't know where you heard me from. But no, no, no. It's okay. At least I can comprehend what you said. Go ahead then. Okay. Now, you see, the truth is the major, the main of our policies has to do with, is a lot of people that are going to send you. You know, it's, it's, they don't believe in the thought that they, they, they argue. When they think it's going to be in their favor, when it's not in their favor, they try to discard it. That's the problem we're having this country. And it's a lack of ideology. Now, if you suck up, the elections are gone. No doubt. We are against a lot of us. We're against Muslim, Muslim tickets. And you'll be living in self-denial. If you think that these things are not important, they are. But the truth about it is that we always look for ways to circumvent. Now, the issue of the Muslim, Muslim ticket, yes, they've given them the ticket, they, they've declared them the winners. But I have a conviction that if we had a free, credible and transparent election, and if INEC had not compromised, definitely they won't have won that election. That's the truth about it. If, if, if the sentiments of the people, if they won't have won that election, then secondly, on the issue of the South, a lot of people have said, if you come to the South in the last presidential election, you should come to the South. Now, a lot of these leaders who said they should come to the South, they are mischievous. Their thinking was that when they come to the South, then they, it might come to the South-South, because it's South. So it might come to the South-South. None of them wanted it to go to the South East. They frustrated people. None wanted it to go to the South East. They thought they were going to eat the gravitas to ensure that it was in the South-South. And when that did not work, they now said, oh, even South-West is South. Let's go to the South-South-West. So it's all about interest. The politics is a consented circle of conspiracies and articulated interests. It's all about interest. It's not about the nation. It's not about the policies. It's not about any region. That's the truth about it. So we advocate, we shout, we should go to the state court. Those, the gravitas, have different agenda. They just use you. They brainwash you, use you to follow them. But they have a different agenda. And that is why we are where we are today. So yes, we all agree. We all recognize what the fault lines are. We all agree that yes, if we have to talk of a unified nation, this is the way to go. But then interest comes in. Selfish interest comes in. A lot of these leaders are not at risk. They don't look at the bigger picture of a one United Nigeria. No, it's, even the President-elect said it is my turn. He did not even say it's the turn of the Southwest, my turn. I did this for worry. I did this for worry. It is now, I've made leaders. It is now my turn. You can see that it's all about selfishness. It's not about national unity. And that has always been the drive. So they are prepared to truncate any process that will ensure unity. If that process is a vast to your own interest. Well, we have to go where we are today. Open the box. We have to go on. For the want of time. Thank you so much. It's always a pleasure to have you on the show. That's on the breakfast. We appreciate your time. Thank you. And happy to start once more. Thank you so much. Have a happy holiday. And happy holiday to you right there. And I hope you're having a great time already this morning. Just sit back. We'll return with more interesting conversation now. We'll be looking at the conversation as to brain drain and the resistance, of course, from the medical dental association rejecting the proposed, you know, service year for doctors when we return. Please stay with us.