 CNN reported Donnie O'Sullivan attended CPAC and he interviewed some of CPAC's attendees and what he's going to share is some interviews And on top of that, he's going to kind of give you his breakdown as to what the general consensus was at CPAC with regard to the big lie And it's not really the most surprising Outcome, but what he's gonna say here is really really bad and depressing because it doesn't necessarily bode well for the long-term health of our democracy nonetheless We'll watch and then I'll discuss when we come back. There's very much the Trump show here in town this weekend We spoke to a lot of people Probably 20 or 30 people every single one of them pretty much everybody believed that both the election was stolen and also lies about the Interaction, I mean it is quite sad when you know speaking to so many folks who have bought into this conspiracy theory About the election which is now undermining their faith in American democracy You know so many folks told us as well that they might not even trust the results of the next year's mid-term elections Do you accept he lost the election? I? Accept that on paper things happened to make it appear that way. I'm I I don't know what would have happened I find it very questionable that he lost given the support that he had do you think what happened on January 6th was a Stain on Trump's presidency Yeah, he didn't invoke any kind of violence. He didn't say anything that was making that was all just Just honestly Ridiculous a few people acted out out of millions of people that attended or I won't say millions But now most close to a million. Yes, I would I'm a Trump supporter. Yeah. Yeah, do you do you accept that? He lost the election Yeah, he did lose the election, but we believe I believe there are some discrepancies and those will be Revealed at some point. What are you hoping to hear from Trump? That he is going to regain his rightful seat as president in 2024. No When as soon as the election is overturned for the election fraud Do you guys think the election was fair? No. No, no No, they tried to tell us the Tarrant County election. We went blue for the first time since 1962 It's not called an insurrection to me. What about it was an insurrection. They stormed the Capitol Who? Who's they the Trump supporters, right? I mean, I'm sorry You don't know who those people were. No, some Trump supporters were invited in and there's video and there's audio that they said So a lot to unpack there, John And you did hear from one woman who mentioned that Trump could come back before 2024 and we know that was a concern of the Department of Justice last week who said, you know, this sort of talk this fantasy that he could be reinstated into office before 2024 somehow that the election could be overturned that there was concerns that that could provoke Further violence. Most people we spoke to, you know at CPAC this weekend did not believe that this Reinstatement thing would actually work out. Most are focused on looking towards 2024 But John pretty much everybody we spoke to Believe the election was stolen. So that last line was bittersweet to me because I was beginning to think that there was really a large Portion of people who actually believed the lies spread by lunatics like Mike Lindell that Trump would Be reinstated in August, but thankfully that's like a small fraction of people there But still he says that pretty much everybody we spoke to believed the election was stolen That is really really bad and There's been polls that kind of give us a little bit of insight into how prevalent belief in the big lie was and You'd hope that over time, you know as The anger over the election kind of dies down Maybe they come to their senses and start to reexamine their beliefs and realize that they were duped by misinformation But no, they still believe in the big lie and it's really it's sad because Trump is such a narcissist who refused to accept that He lost and rather than just like Admitting it and owning up to it. He decided to throw democracy under a bus to save face and that's that's bad like The fact that these people no longer believe in democracy is Really really bad thing because in order for democracy to work people have to believe in and people have to believe that their votes are Going to count and Trump got millions of people to believe that their votes didn't count It was a sham election and that is Really bad. I mean that's not to say that there aren't issues with our democracy. I criticize our democracy I criticize, you know, the fact that there's voter suppression. I criticize voter ID laws I criticize our majority Tarian first pass the post electoral system, which leads us to a two-party duopoly I criticize the electoral college But still even if I have criticisms of our democracy that doesn't mean that the project itself is, you know Trash and we should just give up on democracy democracy is always going to be an ongoing effort right you're always working to further consolidate democracy and the minute you check out and you think that This project is no longer worthwhile. That's when everything kind of starts To become undone and that's really sad So let's get to some of the reactions here So one person said I find it very questionable that Trump lost given the support he had now I feel like now I would like to kind of like pick this woman's brain a little bit to see what she thinks But I mean the general belief According to Donald Trump and assuming she believes everything that Donald Trump says is that Donald Trump was basically like treated more Unfairly than any president in modern modern history But at the same time, you know, even though he was treated so unfairly by the mainstream media and so many political Bad actors. Well, he was so loved that it's not even possible that he he could lose this election So it's a bit of a contradiction Trump is somehow a victim of hatred but also the most loved person ever At the same time and I don't think they realize how contradictory that seems But that's not necessarily the worst thing that was said here in these in these interviews Another person says he lost the election, but there are discrepancies that will be revealed at some point Okay, don't really know what that means one lady hopes Trump will quote regain his rightful seat as president and Not in 2024 but in 2021 It's already bad enough that Donald Trump who incited a literal insurrection on January 6th is able to run for president again I mean he along with a lot of other former presidents should be behind bars for the rest of their lives for crimes against humanity But the fact that he's even able to run again in and of itself is an issue But this person thinks that he's gonna be reinstated in August. I'm assuming in 2021 It's just to be that batshit insane to be that detached from reality is very very dangerous So the last couple said the election wasn't fair and the last two ladies Were probably the most arranged because they refused to believe what was right in front of them They refused to accept that the people who stormed the Capitol were actually Trump supporters I mean, maybe the mega hats and the Trump flags were the giveaway for me But what else like what's the ulterior theory here? I mean, of course if you ask them they probably say well look It was a antifa because we've heard that even by sitting lawmakers like Matt Gaetz so You know, I I don't know what to say This is going to be a really really long project to Rehabilitate these folks to bring them back to reality and it's not gonna happen if you share a humanist report video Even though you should definitely do that But it's not gonna happen that way in reality This is going to be a project where you you have conversations with these individuals one-on-one and You build up trust you build a relationship with them and you come at them From a position of love and concern and you try to convince them that their entire world view that they were Duped into believing because of Donald Trump. It's a complete fucking sham. I mean, it's it's hard, right? But it's not impossible. I mean I once believed in fairy tales I was I was raised as an evangelical Christian and eventually I was educated and I came to my sense in my senses But I mean the thing that's missing here is there has to be like some willingness deep within To want to believe in the truth and I think right now in the short term There's gonna be too much cognitive dissonance that these Trump supporters aren't going to want to fight past But if you have a family member that is a victim of QAnon and I do call it a victim of QAnon because this is basically a cult You have your work cut out for you I mean, I don't even know how to have conversations with folks in my family who are conservative Because it's not even like our world views don't align in any way shape or form Their perception of reality differs from mine And I don't know how to reach people who are operating on an entirely different plane Who exist mentally in a different dimension in an alternate universe? I don't even know where to begin and you know after decades of psychological research perhaps will have some Some answers as to how we de-program people but you know for the next couple of election cycles we're gonna have a lot of folks believe that Donald Trump is the rightful winner and that you know Up is down and left is right and it's just It's exasperating to think about how hard it's going to be to de-convert people But it's gonna take time and I don't think that everyone is too far gone There's gonna be some people who they're a lost cause and you might as well give up on them some people just They're not gonna have a change of heart, right? But there are a lot of people who we can reach and I think it's Important that we do try to reach these people try to de-convert them try to bring them back to reality I do think it's important because you know ultimately I am a humanist I am an optimist to my core even if that optimism has been shrouded in in Dumerism and you know Sadness, but I do think it's worth a try even if we fail