 H because at the end of the day if you say you want a judiciary and bootsman appointed by the president you know, in Kenya as we see he's bound to be manipulated because the ombudsman is supposed to have reports supposed to take down currently the ombudsman that role is being played by the DCJ so when you say now the president will appoint someone majesiteswo majestisten, na kufiwa kwenia ya kutiyo zeli waisil Danielaaga tawapani yun ya kikisha tuoshi yun kufiwa kwenia kutiyo laksa ktu kufiwa kwenia kiyon waisil Waisil waisil kya hansu nashikurati kufiwa kwenia crabs was the assumed that every single passed on in Kenya has gone to school so they publish a document in English that's number one they assume that everyone can see so they forgot that they have been so we need to be sensitive when you doing certain things talking about the country moving forward so when you tell people go and read if I never went to school nukupation, they'll tell you, okay, when you get one, you will solve it, that can be done easily by a letter, you know. Right. So when you talk about empowering the young men and women, you can do it, you have the executive authority. You don't need a certain referendum, which we know the main reason for the referendum, is because of expansion of the executive. So when the DP say something like, they have been cured with certain inclusivity, it's true because what happens to this, what happens to this side of the divide when this side wins? Let's say you have the president, the prime minister, two deputies and what not. Those are like five people. It's five versus five and these five go in. What happened to these other five? Because I believe according to inclusivity doesn't mean every tribe must, we can't have 47 presidents or 47 prime ministers. I believe once your soul is a president in Hurupak or at Hurupak holding the constitution of the Bible up, you say you're president of the Republic of Kenya, not Kiyambu or Nairobi. So you're supposed to be impartial, you're supposed to serve each and everyone equally, irrespective of the tribe and that is what we're talking about. If they want to cure inclusivity, we need to take care of that leadership that is there because they are the cancer, they are the problem. Okay. Fair enough. To finalize on what was mentioned at Bomas, there are concerns by senators being demeaned and I don't know whether it's quite unfortunate that they now support it having gone to Naivasha. We'll be listening in to some of the sentiments that were made at the Naivasha where they are trying to lobby to see these document is passed without being contested. However, there was something else that was mentioned by the DP and of course even A&C party leader Modavadi pointed it out. I want to ask you this question of the IBC Philip. How do you feel the issue of the commissioners being selected by political parties? I think when we resort back to the IPPG model, we are going back to an electoral body that is less independent. We are actually going pre-2010 constitution and they must state here that the issue is not really on where these commissioners are coming from or who they represent. If they might represent political parties, they might represent religious organizations. The issue is the substance of the people who get into these offices. As presently structured under the constitution of Kenya 2010, IBC is very independent. But then we get problems when the people who have been selected into these independent offices do not meet the threshold of integrity. They do not meet any moral standard. I think we have seen with the debacle that we experienced with the commissioners. There was the trio that resigned yet did not resign and now we have seen them being rewarded with some appointments by the president. And it goes to show that these are people who could not make a stand and defend the constitution and the office that they had been selected into. So my understanding of what the issue is with IBC and electoral bodies across the world because the integrity of an election rests with the managers of that election. And for us we have an IBC whose commissioners do not meet the threshold of integrity. If we pick one by one, we can identify men and women who are not decisive, men and women who have people pulling their strings. And I think we have examples all over. What we have been experiencing is commissioners leaving and a colleague of mine mentioned that most of the time they leave with tales. And some of them plan to publish books and tell us stories about the experiences there. Yet when we counted on them to make a stand, to make a stand of integrity and ensure that our elections are integral elections, they did not do so. So I think the problem is that we are having people who do not have integrity occupying offices of integrity and that is the malady that IBC has been facing. Alright, we'll be listening in to what Deputy President Rutoz said after conspicuously missing at the consensus in Naivasha. He had a delegate from Uqambani region. Actually, let's hear what he said in regards to the consensus of this BBI report. And I think we will all be respectful to what has been said about building consensus and about reasoning together if we can find the mechanism and the place when all of us can come together. It's not necessary to divide the country. It's not necessary to divide to create a necessary division. And whatever it is, in this scenario, there could be those who are looking for how to make money from the referendum. I want to advise them there are many tenders they can apply so that they can make money. Let them leave this constitutional making as a Kenyan process. There are those who think they can use this for politics. Let them wait for 2022. We will all do politics. For now, let us find a mechanism for this constitutional moment so that and bring all of it. So, the deputy president is trying to say there could be some people trying to make money out of it. And maybe if we could get some of his comments from earlier statements he had made in public, he'd always say, I am not mad, I am the deputy president, and he's not drunk. What do you make of these particular statements? It's unfortunate. But it's true. You see, in every situation, in any crisis that we might face, we always have the so-called, they call them cartels. We don't know who cartels are, they call them tender premiumers. Those people who always go there to make money. That is easily you can just check the COVID millionaires. We have in a crisis, a pandemic, but the people are becoming billionaires overnight. Now, this PBI process will leave us with two things. One, political formations. Two, new billionaires. That is true. Now, at the end of the day, we're going to ask ourselves one question. Is the BBI meant for you and I? That's the question. Because if it were for you and I, then they would consider what we want. Because someone right now would rather have a house, would rather have school fees, would rather have the next meal and employment than having to run around being told about BBI and going for referendum.