 Speaking, when Don and Harvey started his Save the Church Lane campaign many years ago in Leta Kenney, a lot of people thought he, well, he was off his rocker and that he was totally mad to be, you know, considering such a campaign. The houses were nearly all derelict and some of them abandoned. There was very little interest, especially up the way in official circles about doing anything. But now, years later, Church Lane in Leta Kenney is unrecognisable. It's vibrant and regeneration is clear to be seen and Donan was a catalyst for it and still is and it's the, the lane now has been rebranded the Cathedral Quarter and Donan's latest project is a jaunt around the Cathedral Quarter and it's walking tours of what is an historic part of Old Leta Kenney Town and Donan joins us now. Good afternoon, sir. Good afternoon, John. An historic part of Old Leta Kenney Town, even people from the town just might not fully appreciate how historic it is and what that small part of the town has to offer. Yeah, I suppose the Church Lane itself is called Church Lane not because of the Cathedral but because of the Church of Ireland. See, most people would think it's because of the Cathedral because it's such an iconic building and, you know, and they think Church Lane, oh yeah, that's because of the Cathedral, but not so. Not so and the Church, the Church of Ireland dates back to 1636. And then as I've always said, if you go down to the other side at the top of Church Lane is Castle Street. So there was once a castle in the area as well. So we know that there have been people living in and around this area since that time. So it's almost over 400 years old. So it really is an historical part. Did when the first settlements in Leta Kenney were they around the Old Town area? The very first? The very first, I'm just after looking at Paul McGuire's book there and just around, I suppose, like Cornwall that was in the Classical settlement and then, I suppose, Ahanenshin. So they around the area, there must have been some sort of forms of settlement. But the present day Leta Kenney, as we know it, as we know it is a Charter since 1611 would have been a plantation town. Okay, okay. And there would have been early homes, early houses on Church Lane? Possibly around that time. Like, and we've looked at records kind of going as far back as the 19th century, but it's just trying to get that evidence. But we just know there must have been settlements and around there. Okay. So your latest idea is for a walking tour of this area. And we're not chatting about a big area. No, the idea itself, as we're calling it, the Cathedral Quarter, John. And the idea is that it developed and we earlier on in the year, we were asked to help out with settling the Ukrainian community into Leta Kenney and showing them about. And what we did was it wasn't purely in historical terms. It was basically introducing the concept of the Cathedral Quarter. So we would tell them about the Cathedral Quarter group and we would tell them about like the different art installations like the mosaics and the murals and our collaborations with the tidy towns and things like that there. And then I suppose then, also in the the joint, we're also looking into the future. So I mean, we had the Historic Towns Initiative, which got the houses regenerated. But there's also then working with the County Council and the Leta Kenney 2040 plan, you know, this idea of an artisan hub and a green space development and in the line. So it's it's introduced in that their concept. But then I suppose we also look at the social history of the street itself. And as you said, it's not it's not a it's not a length. It's not a lengthy tour because basically we go up Church Lane will go across to go into the Church of Ireland and look at some of the few notable graves in there and then go across to the Cathedral and then Castle Street and then just stop at Market Square. So it's around half an hour in length. So and tell them about that the different information and the events that in the area in a way, it's it's a gateway to the religious and educational heart of the town because when you when you go through the list of what's here, the Gospel Hall, Church of Ireland, Paris Church, St. Union's Cathedral, the Bishop's Palace, and then education welders at the Reddick Convent. There's some common kills, National School, where I've gone small, St. Union's College. There's, you know, it's only when you go through that you realize there's there's a lot there, but there's there's more to it than just that. And some of it is, you know, it's fascinating history. It's some of it's social history, but some of it's but, you know, parts of history that most people wouldn't be aware of. For instance, the site that's connected to the rest of Wolf Tone. Yeah, well, that's that's that we tell the story because that's that's just a topic of debate where will he was captured and and and letter Kinnear was he captured on Bon Crana. But we do know according to Wolf Tone's son that he said letter Kinnear. So we tell that side of the story, but we leave it up to, you know, whether it is or not. But no one will truly really know the Patrick Pierce. There's a connection to Patrick Pierce. Patrick Pierce, his father was responsible for the pulpit and the railings and that there in the cathedral and the cathedral. And Patrick would have the I think it's the I forget that's right, the the pulpit. He a lot of the figures that he designed. And then his brother, Willie, who was also executed in the 1916 rising. He he he would actually have worked on the sculpture itself. And the staying with the cathedral, the the statue that's on the just outside it on the forecourt, if you like. And that was of a of a bishop who was famous for a number of reasons who sort of initiated the building of the cathedral, but famous for being very young. Yeah, he was quite a dynamic figure. Cardinal O'Donnell. Well, he later became Bishop O'Donnell. So he would have been his bishop at the age of 28, which was remarkable. And so it just shows you that he was a real dynamic force. And then a real, real, I suppose, political figure. And at that time, he would have been pushing for home rule and whatnot. And you know, there's there's a very famous meeting between him and what gone at the time of the the land of actions up in Ghidor and things like this here. So he was a very, very powerful person. And then he later, he went on to later become the the Cardinal. But you can see his work everywhere. So it's not just St. Juno's Cathedral, which he would have been responsible for. And there was other attempts to to get the building, but it was, I suppose, under Husrian that it finally came to fruition. But also the Bishop's Palace and St. Juno's College, which was the seminary, and as well. So his footprint is as big as big. All right. Okay, well, so there's there's that another, you know, fascinating facets of a history from the area that are fleshed out, if you like, on the tour. And it's just when you're on the tour, and you have a little bit of time, that you know, you can elaborate a wee bit on these things. And also, it's just you're at the locations as well. So you're able to point something out or point to headstone or, you know, marking or whatever. Yeah, because well, one of the one of the real fascinating things like the Cathedral itself and the world will be shown as the craftsmanship of St. Juno's Cathedral. So even if you go around the side of the building St. Juno's Cathedral, no, just opposite the Bishop's Palace, there's a stone where one of the workmen carved out an image of the Cathedral on a stone. And we'll be pointing that out again, like not a lot of people know about that. And say you ask, you know, the average person from the Kenny who was born and raised here, they wouldn't know about that stone. No, no. And it's absolutely remarkable. And that just shows you the level of detail and the level of craftsmanship that went into the Cathedral and that will be pointing out in the tour. Just going back to the Cathedral quarter and to Church Lane, it's still, I mean, it's changed dramatically over the years, but it's still a work in progress. It's still a work in progress, yeah. And I suppose like this is one of the things that we're doing. And it's trying to create a bit of a revenue stream for our group, which isn't easy. And then hopefully, you know, like it's trying to get a set of fisheldom to really support not just the bricks and mortar, which they seem to be doing, but it's also the people behind the project and things like that there. And we've seen that this model of type of regeneration could be done anywhere in the country if only the political model was there, basically. Well, you know, things are moving. There's that new greenway that's, you know, there's. Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, don't don't. Yeah. And you know, there's around. Most definitely that's very important that when there's a visit, when their visitors come into the town that there's there's something to bring them here in the first place. That's not just about shopping or it's not just stopping off point, but there's, you know, there's things to to see and do when they're here. Yeah, well, that's a little and we've, we've, I suppose we've, we've been liaison or we've informed the hotels of the tour coming up and that if they want to tell their guests that that has happened. And then again, they can be directed. They're directed. So we're going to run the tour every Monday at 8 p.m. And then, like if any of the hotels have got groups of more than five and if they, you know, contact me, I can give a private tour at a separate stage, but it's very much definitely informing those outside of the history of the area and the plans for the future and things like that there. And it's, it's, and as I said, it's, it's not a, it's not lengthy walk, but it, it'll be definitely, it's just, well, you go up one side and you come down the other. So it's not so much. So from that, but and we're hoping that people want to come on the tour. Yeah. Okay. So it's Monday's through until about the middle of September. Middle of September through the tourist season. And then hopefully, as I said, we'll try and get it to wee bit earlier next year, hopefully. Okay, brilliant. And that is starting this coming Monday at 8 o'clock. Is that right? 8 o'clock and it starts outside, just outside Dillon's hotel. Okay, brilliant. And for more information, on social media, or social media pages on Facebook and on Twitter and whatnot. Yeah, done it. Thank you. Thanks very much.