 Welcome to Toffy TV, Marcel Brands has signed a new deal at Everton. A new three-year deal, his first deal at the club was up this summer, so it's done, probably lost a little bit of this news in all the things that have been going on this week, but what are your thoughts, Baz, on this? I think it's good for the club. I think that Jory's still out, and I think rightly so, in terms of who's coming to the club, player wise. And I think that's fair. I think it's fair that people are lording every transfer, but I also think that if you're going to have someone installed in place on the train of due, a job that's never been done before, and overhaul a lot of stuff that was previously there, then it was always going to take longer than three years maybe to see some of that come to fruition. So from the club perspective of moving forward and trying to keep stability, then I think it's a good move for the club. Do you think the club should define exactly what Marcel Brands does? Because I can't help but think that a lot of the time when a player is brought in and they don't work out, Marcel Brands gets to blame, but when a player is brought in and it does work out, he doesn't get the credit and the manager generally gets the credit. And I don't know which one of those statements is more factual than the other, but maybe if the club defined how his role works, not what his role works, but how it works, we know he's the director of football, but I think in the summer we've seen a glimpse of it when we had the players we brought in. The manager admitted the corey didn't really know too much about, didn't know anything about Ben Goffrey, I think Marcel Brands said they'd been looking at Ben Goffrey for two years. But obviously Hamids Rodriguez and Allen were the manager's players, but Marcel Brands had to go out and do the work to get those players. So do you think as a fan it would be easier to understand who benefits most out of it by just defining what he does exactly? Yeah, and I think you make a really good point about the credit and the blame. I think there's a correlation with that, I think if the player does well, the manager's got the best out of me if the player's poor, it's on Marcel Brands because he's brought the wrong players. So yeah, because I am of that thing that we just haven't in general bought the right players in the last three years, well let's be honest in the last five years, years before Marcel Brands come in, we haven't bought what we needed. And I think there is a bit of that, I think the Ben Goffrey thing is a perfect example of it when Marcel Brands was tracking him for two years with Evan, with the coaching staff or the technical staff and we bought him, he's been excellent. And that's really good because that's the kind of player we should be buying, that athletic player. I think I haven't seen any evidence of any gems yet. I mean Goffrey could be argued he's a gem but he's already played in the Premier League as well and people are more aware of him. I don't think we've seen anything where Marcel Brands has brought someone in and they've developed into this player that we're all shocked and surprised with. But then again depends what his remit is for from the managers. So what I would like to see moving forward is Evan buying the right type of player and that is an athletic player who's capable of getting up and down the pitch, who's got a turn of pace. Everyone, we can all sit here, people out there watching, having discussions with the mates in pubs because you can't sit back outside in pubs and have the discussions about what kind of player. And I think you dare the conversation everywhere if you've ever listened to Evertonings, no pace in this team, not enough mobility in this team. So we can all see it and we watch it. We want that evidence by the recruitment staff now. And I think with Decore and I think with Ben Goffrey we got some evidence of that last season. The real difficulty with this with Marcel Brands is that Marco Silva was the manager when he both came in together. And a lot of those, not a lot of them but the signings haven't really all been hit after. Because people want evidence to do better all the focus goes on who you're bringing in. And in that time we've lost people like Garner who was obviously very important to what I'm in field and to my fields being an issue. And so when you change a manager and then you bring a different manager in, a manager who's very experienced and a manager who, like you said, wanted his own players in the summer as in Hammers, Rodriguez, as in Allen, because they're players who he's worked with and knows and he knew that Hammers would create chances for us and score goals which he's done. He knew what Allen had bring to them in field. You'd like to think now that both of them are on the same kind of path now moving forward. And I've got no problem with, I thought we'd done it very well last summer actually. I thought we brought in three players who could help the team immediately and neither to. Decore I was at the better age than the other two. And then obviously Ben Goffrey came in as well and I think and obviously we had Niles and Cuncoo who was coming. And he maybe the kind of teams that we want to see. Someone who's coming who we've managed to get for not a big, not a big lot of money who we can then develop. Now the sell-on for a big profit or becomes a really important number of the squad. And I think hopefully we'll see more of that now as we go through parts of Marcel Brands' tenure. I look at someone like, I mean you mentioned Cuncoo, but I look at someone like Moise Keane as an example of someone that I think we did really well to get him. He hasn't quite worked out, but we're going to make money on him. And I think that's the kind of sign that shows the worth of having someone like Marcel Brands. Someone who can go out and negotiate with a big club, knows his way around big clubs, can talk to them and get a deal like that done. But then when it hasn't done necessarily right, can also manage the situation in the right way as well and make money on them. So people might look at that as being a failure. But if we get more money from Moise Keane, then we pay it for him, then I don't see that as a failure. Because things changing football, players don't settle as quickly as you want them to or things like a pandemic hits. And all these things have to be put into the factor and into it. I think you're right with the Moise Keane thing. I was delighted when we got him. He was an open coming young hot prospect playing for the events, playing in the Champions League, score for Italy. You know, we all want attacking players that's what we go rematch for, that's what we love. So it was the right thing to do. I mean it was a more Raphael Lau, I wanted either of them. And Lau's being good for it. Malambrae's not being amazing. He's another one you've got to... And Keane's coming in. Moise Keane coming in and not convinced Michael Silver knew exactly what he wanted to do with him. And that might be more a Marcel Branson and Silver. We don't know. Maybe Silver said we need a front man and Brans was like well we can get this kid and he's got loads of potential. But for whatever reason, it just didn't work for Everton. If Everton sell him on for £40 million, which is what, you know, the quote in 43, 44 million, but if Everton get £40 million for a player that we brought in for £25 million and who didn't contribute anything really to us. You know, we scored a goal against Newcastle in the game that we blew, we should have won the game, but we got a point out of that game. And the other goal he scored for us was in the 3-1-1, the 3-5-1. So it's not like he scored important goals that won us loads of points. He didn't really contribute. Some of it was his fault and some of it wasn't his fault. If Everton make a £15 million profit on him, I mean that's exactly what this fell us for. And other people would argue and say, well we got Lucadine for £18 million, if we sold him now we'd get £40 million for him. You know, Yeri Mene, I don't think we'd lose money on Yeri Mene or not much if we did, but we've had them for three years. You know, other people he's probably turned into better players. We were banging on about a centre forward and he said, you know, Dominic Alvalun and the Charleson will, you know, we give them the opportunity they'll come good. You know, when we were asking for strikers in the January and we got the Charleson for, I think, £40 million was the trope she could be. We'd sell him now for maybe double that, don't need, don't lose, I know don't lose before myself, but he's developed over the time. So that's also part of what he does, isn't it? Part of what he does is to look at players like Dominic Alvalun and make a judgement on whether we need to go and buy someone better. And his judgement, you're absolutely right, was the year before he started scoring the goals saying no, no, we've got to give this lad a chance. And we had to do the hard yards before we started seeing the benefits of it. But if he'd brought somebody into a place, no, them, then we might never have seen it. Look at the Doms situation. You know, Dominic Alvalun rightly showed credit to Duncan Ferguson for basically turning his everything career on. That summer, Doms took the 9th year, but we bought Moise Keane, so I think we were all at the time thinking Moise Keane will probably play more than Doms. But Doms was out of the team when Silver got sacked. He scored a couple three or four goals, he was in and out of the team, Duncan put them in, scored a couple of goals against Chelsea and then basically he was in the team ever since Carlo coming and all that. Now, that might have worked out differently, that might have, me might have got a datanguer and Carlo might have gone and won an experienced striker as a kid, isn't it? And Brands had said, yeah, let's give him a chance. And I think maybe that's why when people like Mansi, which were mentioned, Moise Keane was the one that came because it was normal, let's not get a 33-year-old, let's get one or the other end of the schedule. So I think for that in that instance, yeah. But what I would like to see now really is a more joined up process with buying players. I'd like to think that, and this might be happening already, we don't know, because I only really ever hear him speak, when he speaks to someone in Holland. It was amazing to have him speak on that, everything in the USA thing he did last week. I don't think he does enough of it if I'm being honest and I think that would help with everybody else. And I think it also helps to keep things going along and go up here, but I think I'd like to see joined up, or I'd like to hope it's all joined up now with the manager, and between Duncan, and between David, the three of them sitting down with Marcel Brands and Dan Pedy and a couple of other people in the recruitment department and planning the players for our field. Well the structure's being changed hasn't it? There's less focus on some areas, now different focus on other areas, more I'd say maybe like executive scouts, maybe less sort of boots on the ground, sort of more now professional scouts having people in different areas who are attached to the club and following the data and using the data. And I think the first three years have just been an absolute minefield of coming into the club and then changing the manager as well and getting players out and reshaping the academy with issues that were in there as well. A lot of stuff we're not privy to, but obviously a lot of work for them to get through, but clearly the club are happy with them, they wouldn't give them a contact otherwise. And I think now is, now you have to start seeing a little bit of that work coming through fruition now and a little bit, you know, we've seen, okay, recently people will point to the two really good results that the under 18s had in the youth club and I don't know whether that's a sign of anything he's done, I really don't. But I think we have to start seeing a change in the under 23s, players coming through, players getting a chance to get into the first team, players getting better loan deals out going out and making sure they play games, it's a benefit for us and a benefit the club they go to. And then the top and bottom of this, ultimately, like you just said, is better players getting bought, players that fit in the Premier League, players that, you know, everyone will point to Alex Ooby, everybody, that's the stick, that's the stick to hit Marcel Brandsworth, that is the stick. But that comes down to shake, it comes down to as well, that comes down to, that comes down to, you know, the last day of the transfer window, the manager, begging for some creativity, the owner, you know, we're led to believe at the time he was looking at Sahar and wanted him and Marcel Brands was pretty much saying no, we're not paying £75 million, he was the cool head in the room if that's true. And in the end, they've got Alex Ooby and it hasn't turned out for the best, but, you know, the data at the time suggested that he had everything we needed and, you know, the lad, the lad for whatever reason, it hasn't worked. So how do you show he, is it up to Marcel Brandsworth now to get him moved on? Is that right because obviously. If the manager doesn't want him, yeah, but ultimately, he comes down to the manager, doesn't he? Marcel Brands can't tell the manager whether Ooby is staying on or not, that's down to the manager. The manager, I think this is why, and this is why the first thing I said is, we need to have him sitting down, not someone telling us, him sitting down and explaining to us, because he doesn't have to do that and I understand that. Right? I understand that. But do you know if you've got someone to sit down with them and do an interview with them, like someone like Darren Griffiths, you know, friendly face, Marcel, talk us through your week. Talk us through your week, what are you doing the week? Not like breaking it down isn't it, I do this, like, you know, what's a typical week like? What I do this and I do this and I do this. What's it like when you buy a player? What happens? What happens when the manager will come to me and say, I want this player or I want that player or I want this type of player. And let's stop, like, it's obviously a process where they all have a part in it. Let's stop scapegoating people, because like you just said there, well what happens now with Ooby? Well the manager clearly would say, I need a better winger. He probably wouldn't say, we need to get rid of this fella. And then he'd go, I imagine we'll, what just, are you happy if we got rid of him and he'd probably, and if he said yes, then he'd go out and try and find the club. Because that's the, I think that's the key with some of them nowadays, trying to find people to take some of these questions. Exactly, I think that's half of the problem he's had. And that's why a lot of the people, again people will moan saying, you know, half of our players went out on loan rather than getting sold. If that's the only way you can get them off the books for a short time or do deals, then, but I think you're after, you can't just point the finger and go, it's down to him or, you know, you want a player if one comes together and says, who do we need, what kind of player you need, who fits the bill, who's available, and you've got to do it in quick, quick time. And that's the other thing. It's not just, it's not just something that, you know, some of them will be long term processes watching a player, you know, can we get them, speaking to different people, then the agent of the player, the club and seeing if it all puts together. You understand that, that happens, but some have to be done straight away. And it's whether you've got the coolness. I think a good example of that is the Josh King deal, where, you know, something that comes up at that last minute, the club look at him and we end up paying absolutely buttons for him. In fact, it was like a loan fee. We've gone to the end of the season. He's not costing us a lot of money. He's there, essentially, to, as a just in case. And the manager got him into training. I don't know what the situation is. The manager might have looked at him and said, I don't quite think he's good enough for us. Well, if he's not, he goes at the end of the season. It's not a great loss to me. That's how you do it. Because people would have been sitting round going, if Dom had been, obviously with Dom being injured last couple of weeks. We haven't got anyone else. We haven't got anyone on there. And then people start pointing fingers at the bench. You know, what's going on? And then he starts looking at him. So you don't know what you're doing. You don't know if you don't. For me, the process that I'm happy to start signing the contract, because for me, that's continuity. The club is desperate for continuity. The club had, you know, 11, 12 years of everything being run in a certain way. And the club was, you know, it had ups and downs, but you knew what you were getting. People in the club knew how things worked. And for the last five or six years, it's just been an absolute mess. It's been turmoil. How can you plan for anything when you've got a manager, a different manager every year? And I just think now with him and Carlo, working hand in hand, whether you've got reservations about him, whether you've got reservations about Carlo, it can only be stronger if the club had just got that continuity so everyone knows what they're doing. You hope that what they're doing is the right thing, as in what the things they're doing are different areas of the club. But if it is, it will only benefit from continuity. And, you know, he knows the job, he knows the club now, he knows the people involved, he knows what Carlo wants, he knows what the owner wants. There's little things out the way, like the ground and things like that. All those little distractions, which maybe he didn't have to deal with, but people around him might have had to deal with. I think now it's a clear path. And I think this now, whether you're on the fence or whatever, I think now is the time where you can start making, from this summer onwards, you can start making genuine decisions. Don't get me wrong. Listen, it's a three-year contract. It doesn't mean he can't be sacked if he's not doing his job good enough. But the people at the club obviously have faith in them. And ultimately, that's the owner. And if he's got faith in them, we have to just get on board because there's not really, like I said, he was at PSV for six or seven years, I think, as the director of football. So that's what this contract will be here in the six years by the time it's finished. So he's 50% of the way through. We hope that the legwork has been done in these last three years. We're hoping that this is the final summer that players walk out the door with for nothing, because we've got quite a few going on this year that we've paid money for and the going for nothing. And that needs to stop. The summer after for nothing. No, well, that's what I mean, but that needs to stop, doesn't it? And whether that's, you know, the likes of Bernard, just getting three or four million for him this summer and getting them out the door because you haven't got a year left and I think the likes of Towson's are just going to walk out for nothing because of the knee injury now. So that is stuff he can't do anything about. But we have to try to, that has to become the exception rather than the rule. You know, we need these decisions made earlier and get these players out for money and stuff like that. And we hope that you're right. You know, this year people are pointing to, well, the 23s, average age of the starter season was 21 or 22 and the ones that the team that's been playing the last few weeks has started at 19. So that's good. So we can bring that down to 18, 19 and that moves forward. Then we start making decisions on those players quicker so they can get on with their lives as footballers. We can get some money in and we can make, we can bring some through. And if all, act starts running that way and we start buying. My only concern with it so far is being these four players that I think every player he's bought has been a good thought about it. Do you know what I mean? He's been technically in general, good footballers. I think the world would have been really good in Holland and in technical leagues, but this is the Premier League. And it's a bad athleticism and dynamism and mobility. And I'm hoping. And I know if you've got a manager saying, well, I want this because this is what I want to do. And there's very specific ways. And now it can be, it probably can be difficult, but I think just as the football club, we have to buy the right kind of player. But I agree with you. I think if you just come out and give us a little 20 minute video on evident TV or spoke to us and just said, you know, this is what I do. And this is the process and you don't have to go. Max Arans, you like him. You know, just the process of how you identify a player and also how the players leave the club. Is it a case? Does the manager say don't like him or is it all down to inquiries from other or is it agents coming to him and saying, listen up, you know, this play is not happy? What does much of our cell brands is rolling up and how does he see the future? I think it'd be really insightful. I think it'd be really interesting because that's the kind of thing certainly me as a fan. That's the kind of thing I want to hear. I'd rather sit down and listen to half an hour with Marcel Brantz. I do think it would help. I just think there's a mystique about what he does. So therefore, like I said, all the blame can easily be shifted onto him. I don't think he actually, I don't think he strikes me as anyone who actually could care less or even would even get a sniff with it anyway. I think he's just someone who gets on with his job. And you are right. It is about player profiles, but I think you look at last summer. I think last summer was the place we brought in. The best summer we've had, I think. The place we brought in have all contributed massively, even Robin Olson coming in, you know, coming massively with what's happened, different things have happened to the other people this year. He's computed in the league cup. And actually, when we've seen him in the league cup and stuff, you've got a sense of, we've got a good money and we've put him in the league and the manager probably looked him in the Premier League and he's knocked. Nobody obviously on that day thought he's not quite ready, but there's still, you know, from a kid that you brought in, he was supposed to be with the 123s all season and has been with the first team all season. And that's allowed, because he has been with the first team all season, that's allowed Terry Small to come into the 123s. So that's, they haven't blocked anyone's path. So, yeah, it's, as I said, it's, I don't think we're here sitting here, we're not cheerleaders for them or anything. I think we just think that it's about keeping everything steady. He said before, the key word was continuity and stability, they were the key words, and you're right. Everton has, for all the good that Farad Masheir has done, and he's done loads, and his heart's in the right place, and he wants Evan to do well. It's caused a whirlwind of chaos because people haven't done what he, he's the fella who's a businessman, he's probably used to people delivering what he said he'd gone in. But they're in the world of football, and he's not being an owner for very long, and therefore he's leaning on the job, and so people aren't, people aren't doing well enough to sack them, they're gone, and it creates this vortex of madness, and he's come in and had a little bit of that as well, hasn't he? And hopefully now with Carl Antelotti, and that means that most of the questions that he moved about whether the manager should be in place or not, because he's been there, done it, and everything else, then too can take the steady, stable path. Because we're about to, I'm saying all the chaos and vortex has gone, but we're about to go in to a period where we're on the road not to leave and go to St Park, which will be the biggest thing most of us experience now. He did say when he came in that it wasn't going to be a quick fix, and everyone thought it was going to be a quick fix, then they brought the wrong man in, so he's been quite tooters with that, hasn't he? He wears great tight tops, doesn't he? He's a good runner as well. And he's a good runner. He's a good runner. He's a good runner. He's a good runner. He's a good runner. He's a good runner. It looks after himself, perfect. Remember that one of the first times I've seen him. Was around field, and I was in the press box for the Bazelle game before the last world cup. Diolch Iechodd o'r oaf, a mae'n ddau. Neu, honno, dyma i'r ddechrau i gweithio, ond mae'n ddau ond mae'n dda. Dyfodol am mwy mor. Mae'n ddau yn ei weld, fel o'n amlwg, ond dwi'n ddau'r amlwg, ond mae'n ddau. Dw i'n ddau, felly mae'n ddau, ac ac mae'n ddau i'r ddefnydd ease ni. Dwi'n ddau, dwi'n ddau, mae'n gwybod, mae'n paru honno maen nhw o'n gwneudio gwahanol yn ymddangos. ac ond ddim yn bwysig, i'n rhan i amser. Ffair, mae, mae'n gweithio. Felly byddai'n gwybod i'n gweithio yn y cwmwysgol o'r marsyl brans, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio ddim yn bwysig ar y barom? Gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio? Fyddeidwch chi'n gweithio fynd i'r cwmwysgol i'r bwysig drwy? A ydych chi'n gweithio? Felly, and what you brought in, because I have got no idea because that's not something I know. But... but let us know, let us know your thoughts about mass of brands and what we spoke about. Don't forget, give this video a like subscribe if you haven't already. We're really close to 50,000, and we really, really want it. So if you haven't subscribed, why not? Please do. And if you want more great videos. 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