 is to approve the agenda. The only thing I was going to suggest is that we have an executive session to talk about the water and sewer discussion prior to the dialogue here. I've only talked about public sessions and we have a chance to re-talk about it together because there is a chance for litigation. So do you want to put that before or after the discussion? Yeah, so I would put it after the water and sewer budget but before the discussion. And what is it? An executive session to talk about the water and sewer discussion just prior to the item. I'm not real certain that you're going to be an executive session because you're not discussing anything that's... I mean, you're talking about either abating somebody or not. That can all be a public session. I don't know if there's really anything to do with this. There has to be some information because they put the board at a disadvantage and it's public too soon. Right, that's all. So if it's not, you're not going to do that? I mean, it doesn't... You're rather making a decision if you're not, right? Well, we can, I guess. I mean, if you want to go into the session, I just don't know what to call it. You haven't had any order. Sure, I think it could be... It's legal, I guess. It's potentially a matter of your... negotiation. It's not much meaning as water and sewer commissioners. So, I don't know if you're going to be talking about maybe such an executive session. Could we amend it then or would we have to have it in the agenda now? I don't know if we should do it. I just think prior to us talking about the financial independence that we should have clarification of the numbers and how that affects the town legally. Yeah. In this case. Prior to... Yeah. The question is an executive session due to legal, possible legal. Yeah. Does that... Anybody have anything else to add? I don't know. Would you accept the agenda as intended? Second. Any hall favorite? All right. All right. All you said about it. Do we have anybody in regards to the federal body of the camp? Not yet. Not yet. Okay. So we will move on. Move on to our first agenda. Just to follow up on our discussion we had last time. Oh, I'm sorry. So is there anybody here that has anything... Yes. Okay. Say something else. Well, I'm Betty Ann Scamble for those of you who don't know me. I'm here regarding the charitable cemetery. And I'm specifically speaking about the upper lots in the charitable center. I have been here before. Before. There was one cult that was moved and has now been placed. That you go running to the ditch alongside that cemetery. I have just been up there now. And the water is running down the ditch. Now the roadside is higher. So there's quite a distance between the water and the road. There's not much difference between the lower side and going into the cemetery. The ditch was built three years ago. To divert water from running over the cemetery. And creating more damage than has begun. Because of the water in the area. But that ditch does not fill past the cemetery area. So that it immediately stops and rolls over prior to the grave sites. There are three other culverts that run along the bottom of Kirkwhite's land. And the road. And they are diligently right now stealing water along to grave sites. And here are three of them. They were there before. And they're still there. It was loud. I don't know why. But the discharge of water through those culverts is great in most cemetery periods. The scammer lot is in great problems. The lot beside the scammer lot, the tall headstone, has now fallen over due to the denigration of the soil beneath it. You can clearly see where that water is just eroding the soil under the grass roots. And eventually caskets and urn are going to start to shut. I would like for the town of Bethel to think about doing something that would permanently take care of this water issue. So that we don't have these sorts of things. I don't know. We used to, years ago, they had a ditch. Ditch fills in, doesn't get cleaned out. They put in a culvert. Culvert gets plugged up, culvert gets old, culvert walks away. Now we keep doing this. I have been here speaking to select boards on and off for 15 years. They put that in crime cemetery again 55 years ago when they put in Christian Hill from going straight up between the Taylor Docks and the cemetery. And they were supposed to do upgrades to that area at that time to make it acceptable. They sold the lot. People are now intern there. And I really do believe that it's the town's responsibility to see to this water issue. And I respectfully thank you for listening to this. Is it, do you think, does it run water all year long to just rain water? Oh, it's all your, all your, all your water that comes off will come down from white. The statement now is down through Tooksbury. This is down the side of the road. But the three culverts that are still left are right across Kurtz Drive or road on the bottom. And they are right on to one is going on to the balloons. One is going on to this cemetery along for the balloons. There's one going on to the cemetery a lot before that. And the culvert that was moved, which was the largest one, was being directed onto the white cemetery. That is now the move. So it's kind of getting corner and going into the ditch. But in theory, we're overflowing with this amount of water. So, you know, anytime we're having the rain that we're having lately and et cetera. You can just see where that water is. Nothing but a river. You can't access the cemetery any longer because the ditch is so high and wide that there's no accessing if you want to get to a cemetery lot. And there's no place to park there either unless you utilize Kurtz Drive. But then you still can't get to your cemetery lots unless you're there. I'll take a look and see if we can get there. You want to stretch and see what the next one is. I'll just follow back up to this break. I'll try, you know, maybe each board member. Yeah, spare a moment to go up there and take a look around and see. I had a conversation with Cecil there a while back. Did you mention anything? I remember he was a local gentleman. He used to be very very kind. I'll take a look. Oh, we'll each take a look as well. Maybe an hour or something and see what some possible remedies are up there. Cecil, too. It's hard for all of us to get across to them. That section of the cemetery. Over here. Right. I didn't see how to get a vehicle in there. Is this further up there to the hill? Towards the end of the cemetery? Which end of the, it's up the top? Okay. All right. I'll see what I can do. I think when you and I came on is when they were doing some upgrades. Right. And they were supposed to fix that. All right. They were supposed to alleviate the issue. They were supposed to dump more water into that ditch. Instead of bringing it directly on the grave site area, they just can't go into our ditch. This one's water. It was the larger culvert that was going on to the white property, over the white cemetery lot. They moved that at an angle to put it into the ditch, but they never addressed the other three culverts out to the end that goes across the entire length of the cemetery, which are also stealing water onto the other grave sites. It almost sounds like the vine water is too much for the culverts, of course, no matter what sites the culverts are. Well. I'll look at it. There may be a way we can burn water upstream and alleviate some of the vine cutting down the hill. Because if you've got, you know, water, wine or water in the grave, you pick up a lot of skin. That's a problem. So if we can do something to change that. I was thinking possibly, and it's just my thought process, is that before that road was put in and there were no culverts. So there was just the natural flow of water. If you had a firm or whatever behind, up above that road, and let it go off towards the noble property where the gully is, the gully is made for the water. Versus trying to put it all to the roadside. There's three other smaller culverts. Just put it off to the noble side where that big gully goes up the side of the cemetery anyway. Okay. We'll take a look at it and we'll put it back on as an action item for the next meeting on the 10th. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is there any other questions? Are we anticipating that the pilot camp will be here right for the next meeting? As far as we know, we've put it, I don't know if Kelly ever got it, we should try to contact them. I don't know. I'm not sure if they ever got it back, but they're still, as far as we know, they're supposed to be here. But we haven't got an indication of that. And Bill Hall will be here. Bill Hall will be here. Steve is over here. So we may have to just give her an update. Well, why don't we, why don't we just move ahead to our action item for water and sewer budget. And then we'll see if Bill comes in for a six-thirty, if not, we can move Steve up. Bill will be here. It's the pilot camp people that we'll be sure about. Okay. So the last time we left the water and sewer budget, we were talking about potential proposed increases. And we had some questions in regards to the budget versus projected versus, you know, the actual that we had here. So they're going to get the added information paper. What was the, what was the recommended proposed increases for each one again? Like three and a half? Have you had that? No, I haven't. I believe the water was 1.92, 1.92 for water and the sewer was 3.47. 3.47? Yep. So you did what you asked for. Tim and I just worked on the projections and Tim updated the spreadsheet. So the, there's a change in the numbers. So obviously the, here's not over. And, but as far as the water, you know, in this projection, I was looking at like 11,169 dollars is what we were looking at as possible for us. Yeah. But now I had looked at some numbers after Tim and I discussed this morning and, you know, there's, I came up with one, two, three, I had six, you know, we had a tax sale plus some other, you know, I was able to get some three major collections. So, you know, 22, over 22,000 dollars here in this, in the water, in the water rental revenue is some old flexion. So that's one of the reasons we have unanticipated revenue that we were doing well, which is, you know, exactly what we have to do. But so we do have some unanticipated revenues there and Tim is, you know, prepared to sort of elaborate on all the projects that they're doing. I do have above, I just get the updated draft and the audit and just eyeballed it in the last, you know, a few minutes just on the water sewer. And, you know, again, I think it's important that you, you know, that you understand that the, as we said, along the water sewer systems are, you know, more than, you know, they're half depreciated and you have no money set aside. So you need, you know, enterprise funds, water and sewer are enterprise funds. You can make as much money as you can make. That's great. So the fact that you're, you know, right now running a tentative, you know, surplus is a great thing because you need to have a, you know, you guys have unanticipated fund balance and we also put it here in water, the water fund still owes a general fund over $70,000. So, you know, that's a snapshot of time, but, you know, the general fund wants that money, wants our money back. You know what I mean? So there's another thing is to let you know that, you know, you don't propose increases lightly. And as I said before, I still think it's important that you think about, you know, with water so it may be a possibility of a small increase every year just to stay, you know, ahead of time. But, and certainly as far as ongoing projects, that's, you know, Tim can certainly speak to that in water and, of course, sewer. And sewer is the same thing. You have a $15,000 surplus right now. And again, there's another $20,000 in unanticipated revenue and sewer owes the general fund in $188,000. So those are things that you should keep in mind. And obviously once again, we do not propose an increase in the sewer rates last year because we knew the water rates were going to take such a hit. We could have, but we chose not to, you know, to be physically non-conservative, so. Because I know those are some of your questions from the last time. Yes. And then you wonder about pending, you know, work and that certainly tends. So a couple of questions I had on the revenue end of things. The projected revenues that you have here for both departments is that, is that with 100% collection? No. What I, I'm putting out the bill tomorrow. So what I did was I looked at, you know, the past few four quarters and kind of came up in average as to how much we collected. And then just put that average of those quarters in here to give me a projected number based on current year. Do we have any idea what we think is on the water or sewer? No. It's included in here. I don't have the breakdown. Sorry. No, I just, that's how I did the calculation. I don't think I left a little longer. But, and the bills will go out tomorrow. So that gives us a month to, but that's how I came up with the number in the projected collection. But the reason that looks so good is, you know, it's because we, you know, picked up some back, especially in sewer, you know, because there's less people on sewer. Three people that I got back, collections from made up $20,000 in sewer of unanticipated revenue over the $2,500 that we budgeted. And then it took six people to come up with just, just over that mountain water. So. Do you have what are current, do you know what are current water and sewer? Rates are. Lates, lakes are. Oh, I thought you'd use the. Oh, that's that. I was going to say. That's the tax. That's all right. That's all right. All right. That's all right. That's all right. That's all right. Kelly gave me a copy. Oh, here we go. Taxes. I don't know. I'm sorry. It's just taxes. Oh, it's just taxes. Maybe you can. I don't want to see it. Oh, how long are you guys going to do the billing tomorrow? So, you know, I don't know, Chris. I haven't looked at it. Like the other question. I mean, I was doing collections before I left on vacation, but I don't remember what the number is. The other question I had was now that, well, while we are collecting the back revenues, you know, because these are revenues in some way have been have affected the general budget over a long time. I mean, is there an opportunity to pay the general fund faster? You could. I mean, we budgeted, as you see, we budgeted $5,000 at the time we just started doing the reverse in the general fund. And as the collections, you know, continue, and we collect money, water sewer won't get left. They won't get deeper in the hole because they'll be able to pay their own bills each month. We'll be able to do what you do to do problems if you transfer money. So that number should get less over time. You could. I mean, in this budget, we proposed five, but we could do more, four. It just looks like, well, currently, we're the anticipated time to pay back the water would be about 12 years. Right. And then the sewer is like 19. Right. And you can change that amount. I mean, we could do it in that future budget. But at this point, since you have, you know, been running a deficit, it made sense. And you don't want to increase the water rates too much. So 1.92% increase with a $5,000 payback this year. But things continue to run. Sure. In the future, you could put that up. We're just happy that they're meeting. No, I guess the way I was just looking at it was, you know, you said there was what, three accounts that made up $22,000. In fact, sewer. Six. Oh, three for sewer, six for water. Yeah. And being that sewer's in the hole to the general fund, $188,000, could we be putting more money towards that faster to pay the tax people back? We could. Because again, this is an enterprise fund. Right. So it shouldn't owe the general fund any money. Right. And you could also wait until the end of the fiscal year to see what it is. And then you could make that determination at that point. So yes, we could do that. Right. And like I said, you know, a due to due from is a snapshot of time. You could just process a payroll. You could, you know, anything like that. So that doesn't match up. So other than what's in here, Tim, is there any other issues that have reared its head well since then? I don't know. I think everything rears its head on a rotating basis to a point. But what I have is a laundry list of items that need to be done for us to stay compliant with our permit to operate with the state. And some of the items, if we don't address them, we're going to end up being on the bond boat when we rebuild the bond system. So part of our goal has been to address these as we can financially take with them and pull them out of the budget, which then keeps it off from the bond and makes that end note cheaper. The other thing is, is the state of the month is part of why they're high-fiving us right now and treating us well, because we're receptive to their needs and demands. There was previous demands that were agreed to by the town that were not committed in 2016. They didn't follow through. And we were pretty much at the end of the good graces of the state. And some of the things that we're doing now are bringing us back around. We have two drinking sampling stations coming. They're $2,000 apiece. I got to install them from the mains up to a piece of property. Very nice. We've been working on it together. That's just a piece of that 11 that's left. By the time we get to the end, it's going to be very small. The other thing that's going on is we're trying to rebuild the roads to the reservoirs. We're going to have to do work up at the Boulevard one. We installed two new culverts on it last week. We installed two new fire items last week. I've got to get the grader up there and ditch it and then we're going to have to stone line up and do something to make it so that it's kind of stable that we're going to end up doing a pile of work up there. That's just a couple of items that are going by right now. As soon as we do some of those things, then we can work on the reservoir. We can get it up there and do the work. We can keep moving forward ahead of what the state demands are. Can the board have more questions? These are the new rates. We spent a lot of time working on it, so we didn't just shoot from the halfway point. I just wonder if we can, at some point, like you say, get to a consistent, I don't know, second number of 2% or 5% or whatever. And then it's definitely not stable. I understand what we did last time because the water was such a big increase, but when do we get to do that? Once we get the budgets stabilized where it's a consistent growth, we can make it work that way. Right now we're just basically trying to put out a fire and throw the money where the money needs to be thrown and move on from there. It's always fires. It's always going to be fires. We're also trying to do it the right way at once. We're not trying to put a Band-Aid on it and wipe our forehead. Yeah. And the other good is it's not going to be, because we're making strides in collections, there's not always going to be this back pot of money to collect fire. So we were able to get some serious headway just because people would do so much money. Eventually, obviously, that's not going to be the case. So, and then we're making good strides to get there. We're trying to take advantage of the ball going by. Yeah. Sorry, but another thing I do want to warn you, I did do some calculations on when you give them abatements and amendments to the people, what they owe us for the water and sewer. Some of these feel-good moments actually cost us dramatically in our budget. So I want to caution you to how many of you try to... Yeah. Chris Jarvis had talked about two before. That's certainly something he said in both taxes and water sewer that it is hard, because when you make those, we're counting on, we base this on X amount of use and when those change, then obviously that becomes the money that we had anticipated that we don't. Well, it's much easier to follow this budget, projected budget, this time around. Last time, it was gaping holes. Well, we're using actual... Now I can actually see where... Absolutely. It was there before you were Chris, we just didn't provide it to you. Yeah. I had just used what we currently had at that time. I hadn't do that. And we did try to include some notes and things like that, more notes and... Of course, again, like you were saying, now that we have some of the back revenues coming towards those first questions, we're able to get stuff done. However, if individuals in the town paid on time, a lot of these maintenance costs would be even less. If you're doing maintenance more often, it'll cost you less money than doing maintenance, putting fires out. Right. And just like... I don't know what the number is, but we're heading in the right direction, but we still have a lot of uncollected utilities. Yeah, not bad. And we're from shutoffs in June. Right. So we have sent the quantity of the notices and then the next step is we just like get another number of tax dollars. So we do have a couple that are... that will be shut off in June. So we do have a couple of those. And I'm always working with it, obviously to make deals with people to get tax payments paid off. The tax sale certainly helps because that gave you some big ones. You know, that... because they were going to go to tax sale and then they got taken care of right before, and then one, obviously, they got maintained, you know, taken care of at tax sale, you know, about, you know, over $20,000. Okay. Any further discussion from the board? You know one of these categories? And typically one half of these set, well, it's helpful to have it set for the first week of June. Yeah. I think you already said it now and then obviously it takes effect July 1st. But what's nice is, we're doing the bill in March. I mean, the bill's out tomorrow. So you set the rates tonight and it's going to go in that bill tomorrow along with the length to this CCR. So then that way people will know in this bill in the cycle, which is what we did last year, when this is this bill and then when you see your next bill, this is what the increase will be. So it was nice to be able to add that. I mean, I think after looking at everything with the updated information, you know, the increase has seen reasonable. You know, at this time, I would entertain a motion that we take to propose sewer and water rates for the next year starting July. The sewer at 3.47% increase and the water at 1.92% increase. So move. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody from the Bible cans? Still none? I heard our half hour bell chime, so it must be 6.30. I'm a doc. We knew you were coming down so we just rang the bell for you. So, you know, we were talking here at the last couple of board meetings about certain representation that we have in the town and, you know, getting the representation in every once in a while to just kind of what's going on and what do you need from us or what should we be prepared, you know, to work again. So, Greg, I reached out to you about coming out tonight. Yeah, so I think that should be because it is nice to touch base every once in a while. You know, as board members change, you know, you may not be aware of, you know, what my role is. So, I'm Bethol's representative to the two members' transportation department committee. So, this is a group of all of the members of the two members' commission. They get together and we're mostly concentrating on transportation issues. You know, you have other representatives, I don't know who your representative is to the commission, but they can do a planning and other things. But we're just concentrating more on the transportation issues, what's going on for road products and things like that. And so, basically, we get together six times a year every other month. And what we do is we usually will have a representative either from AOT or one of the other organizations that are out there that are dealing with transportation with some of the more current issues, whether it's, you know, what current grant programs may be out there or what other things may be going on. So, we'll always have one new issue coming up. On an ongoing basis, every, you know, on an annual basis, we will review the state's list of prioritizations of various transportation projects, whether it's bridges, ports, or, you know, leveling programs or just paving programs. And we get to input, we get to re-prioritize them. If we don't think some thing is in the right place, we get to move it around. And so, you know, that's one of the things we do on an ongoing basis. In addition to the ongoing projects, which, you know, you're aware of now we're about the bridge up in Gilead and the messed out down here, there's many, many things. In addition to those, there are a number of projects that are in the way to be done with us. They'll go, they'll move up when some of the other projects move along. And we have two in this area that I think are concerned with us. And they're basically the E-Mine bridge and the Gageville bridge. And they are number two and three now on the next part of our organization list. They got moved up last time. We kind of said, you know, these are, some of those, when I said it again, it's like, what do you even do? This is the only way to get there. So, they did agree to move them up. So, the next time some of the other projects move along, they'll move up into the planning stage. Any idea on those bill when the state is thinking about putting those projects out to bid? Well, what happens when you move up into the thing? Excuse me, it's like a five-year process where they do the design and all of that kind of stuff. My guess is, based on the priority, they'll probably move up in the next year or two. Okay. So, it should be coming along. Is there anything at the town level that we should be preparing ourselves for these 100% funded state jobs? These are going to be state-rich projects. So, I would assume it may be like a 5% or a 7% match or something like that. Most of it will mostly be a state project. Okay. So, the other thing that I've done up to you is like there are all kinds of other projects that are going on. There's this municipal bridge maintenance and management seminar that's coming up. They had, you know, four or one couple of years ago, which I'm sure he went to. So, we always get these regular presentations and I don't know whether you get this information passed on to you or not. If not, I will... Yeah. If you could, I'm not getting really what... Yeah. It used to be that, you know, man, you got all of the stuff that I used to get but I'll make sure that I forward this stuff to you as a state. Because we get, you know, upfront information on any of the new grant programs that are coming up and we have to do a reply for them. Reader is really good about helping to put together the grant applications. So, I'll pass all of that stuff on to you. I know we've taken advantage of a lot of the stuff from them. All of our inventory is all done through them and things like that. And that's essential for, you know, getting the grant money going forward as they have all these utilities there. Are there any municipal grant or road grants currently that maybe we're not taking advantage of, that maybe we need to look harder at, you know, Bill, or are we doing a good job of getting everything that's out there? Well, we've got a grant aid that we do every year. We've got an equipment grant this year and this year that we're going to apply for for small equipment. Other than that, I don't know what else billing they've got. Maybe you could bill it. Most of the ones that I gave are probably most appropriate for here are some of the structures grants, you know, because they're doing a lot of, you know, bridge and culvert things around. And those are the ones, I mean, those, you know, they cost a lot of money. You know, the more of those that you can, you know, apply for, I think. So just, I think those are the ones that continue to, you know, keep looking at it. But I will be shocked to read it and see what things are out there. Yeah, we've used the structures grants in the past. I don't know, maybe we applied for one last year and didn't get it. Yeah, but they went up on Lily's overflow where you did the big, the big, the big culvert. Yeah. Yeah. And I know there will be a bunch of them coming up. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the only thing other than I would suggest is that what prompted this was there are some of these, you know, bridge maintenance things coming up and she was basically suggesting that there are particular items that the town has that are of interest to them and to let her know that she can probably include them in this presentation and see whether there's something that we can add onto the list. So other than the two structures that were mentioned, are there any other ones, Greg, that you can think of that when you just start prioritizing in town? Yeah, we've got a list. That big culvert on, on Pevine that had barrels next to it for a while. Two years? Yeah. That's one we actually applied for last year. And so we're going to reapply for that one this year. That's going to require some hydraulic engineering and probably a larger squash pipe type of a structure of some kind. Possibly a box holder or something like that. So that's the one that we did that was our next double-axed or top railroad for that program. And then the grain and aid is that project that we took we did four corners last year. And for last summer we did that work and rock mining and all that. That's the grain and aid project. And we've got another one of those that we're working on. But the application for it. And then the equipment grant is another word I'm definitely going to try to take advantage of. It's a small equipment grant. And we're talking about getting any out. So basically a bucket mounted blower that allows to blow the debris and stuff out of the ditches. So leaves and twigs and whatever else allows to blow all that out of the ditches. And it's something that is, I think it's a 10% match, I believe on that equipment. So something else we'll be looking at taking advantage of. Just as an operation for different means of financing equipment purchases one of the things we might want to consider if it happens to be appropriate the state of Vermont Turner's office has a municipal equipment loan fund very low interest rates and municipal equipment. But if you happen to be able to finance piece of equipment with an adjoining talent if you can share something 0% interest. So if there happens I know sometimes it's hard to share equipment because if you need it you need it, but if you can share something it's no interest. Right, if it was something like if you can share it with a portal. It's like a mowing attachment or something that you can do. That's just something to keep in mind. Okay. Yeah. Now is there the grant process through two rivers is it are all the grants like at the same time of year like they all got to be done by April or they throughout the year the deadlines on them? The deadlines are pretty much they're all set because different agents have different deadlines. I was just thinking maybe if they were all like come in like a month or two prior that kind of this is what we should be thinking of or you know. One of the pieces that I got the breakfast meal that I went to was a list of all the grants for the entire year and when to do when they have to be processed. That was part of the information. I don't know if I passed that one to you or not, I don't remember saying that. There was a chart that had each one broken down by what had to be applied to or whether or not it was matching what it was going to be. Can you bring that copy? Yeah. So how would you like to do it Bill? What works better for you, you know you guys mean six times a year? We mean six times a year. I think what I would do looking for is anything that you would like me to bring to the community and the projects that you might address again. Basically what we do is we get to see all the when they want to propose changes to regulations we get to speed them up from and we get this comment on and make our observations and things like that. We see things up at the very very beginning but if there were anything that you would like me to bring before the community to address whether there are specific projects that you would like to have added on to the list. Bridges are culverts or things of that nature. Let me know and we'll see what we can do. Because I simply was very successful in having the P-line and the engagement of the bridge. Bridges moved up on the list because of their connectivity and so you know this is a trial. Right. When's your next meeting, Bill? We're meeting in so I'd love to so I'd love for it to be helpful Greg with us putting something in maybe the town manager's report and the thing where we could cycle through that you know maybe a meeting before is needed. Once a month we would once a month when you go through your town manager's report have a little piece in there just two river domes that maybe you can talk about some projects that maybe we need to start thinking of and then we can kick it around at the board level and get that information to Bill to kind of represent us or vice versa hope we get done in a meeting and get some information on hey, heads up on whatever share that that flow of information back to the board. I think you find the discussions that we have to be very interesting and we have discussions about like say among payment management how they're managing the payment when they do the and how it's different from what it was how it sustains better things of that nature which I think I find to be very interesting conversations just trying to figure out what the effects are on to get the information from Bill's meetings to our meetings and through you so that we can we always get happy at the end of the meeting what I'll do is basically send all of the information off the grays that we distribute to you and we also usually have you know minutes afterwards which gives you some of the observations that people have really talented people so maybe we can have Bill come in like I don't know, twice a year or something we'll also get it to you like Bill said you can get it to me and we'll just send it through the packets maybe we can have Bill come back again like right around budget season and we'll just know what's going on kind of corrupt over issues or okay does anybody on the board have any questions on the guys no, that breakfast man is ready for a lot of folks that are there that didn't realize the scope of what TRO obviously did so thank you Bill for coming in there's a sign-in sheet so if you haven't signed in Bill I know you but some people are not quite sure of this sign-in thank you thanks so if you haven't signed in and you could do that that would be super helpful thanks, sorry I know you're the last one but I have time on this name I'm gonna have to ask Kelly so I think we'll be talking about this is Steve Levy I don't know Steve Levy executive director of the Concertancy so I'm here to you can update and ask for some offerizations to move forward with the Purchase Ability property just for background I don't know if you folks signed 7 agreements back in January Purchase Ability for $55,000 with August 1st closing deadline and we were written into that agreement as a potential assignee of that right to Purchase Ability so that's basically one of my goal shape type is to present to you which is Purchase Sailing Agreement that we drafted along with the town attorney makes formal that assignment of the Purchase Right to the Remembrance of the Concertancy under the same terms of conditions that were in the settlement statement so I have three copies of that agreement because there's really three parties involved in this there's the buildings themselves that the Remembrance of the Concertancy as the purchaser in the town as the Remembrance so I don't know if you agree to go ahead with this we would like to have signatures on three of those copies we'll get the signatures from the buildings and then everybody gets an original original signature this back so the Purchase Sailing Agreement is pretty straightforward just this purchase price the closing date the only condition that we have in the Purchase Agreement is that we're able to raise the funds to purchase the properties we don't believe there's any issues with hazardous materials on the site we didn't see any evidence in any of our site investigations so we're ready to move ahead the funding part really is affecting the lineup so how do you want to handle the purchase agreement I just wanted to make sure that you all had a chance to put through that and if there were any comments or any concerns about the agreement we could discuss those now in a new photo on this if that's what the report was to do so were there any after reading through it were there any concerns in the document so again this was put together with utilizing our attorney as well as the River Concernancy's legal counsel questions and regards I personally didn't have any more I know we've been through this several rounds of questions and rewrites I guess the only question I had was regarding the funding it's still kind of a gray, nebulous kind of area but this allows for us to basically get out if we're not able to acquire our funding necessarily for you and the reason why the River Concernancy is because they're working through all the grants they're working through applying for all the grants essentially purchasing the property and then they're going to give to the town with some easements and things that we'll get back to so does that become part of this agreement, the easement that's a second document that you may have basically it's just a memorandum between the town and the River Concernancy this kind of lays out what we anticipate the steps to be and great, exactly right if we can raise the funds we will purchase the property and then convey the property to the town and we'll have the conservation easement attached to it, we can spend on the property as a recreational floodplain protection property and basically we can hand over the town for a pocket town purchase from us so that's kind of the second, I mean I extracted something along those lines I just didn't know there was a separate agreement yeah I'd say separate and this is the first draft of this we'll get to that but this was I think the courts have already seen this as well the judge has seen this document I don't know, we never ran it it was just unfortunately so I know when we first talked about well the property the biggest thing when we were considering all the funding sources coming together was what the what the value of the land was going to be assessed at has that been done and did it come into I don't remember maybe I missed that one but I don't remember you know we had a number that we were hoping it was going to land in and if it went below that then we're going to have to raise more money obviously if you hit that it wouldn't be fine that's the next discussion we've got kind of three things we're talking about here this original the first piece is this and if I go ahead and just show them each other there's this piece here secondly we've got the agreement to transfer the property the results of the agreement should we do the results of the first and go through those before any signatures on no whatever I mean that what's the board thing I mean I know right now the risk of the town is the deposit as of right now I mean I think it would be probably helpful to hear of where the appraisal came in and how that either you know changed from what we initially had thought or you know what are we looking at raising a little bit more money you know what is there skin in the name at this point before we sign things yeah so we just got to think the bad things as we came in considered the world the purchase price came in at 37,000 and basically the appraiser look at the as all the appraisers do look at the highest investors in the company and because that in the appraisers opinion because that property is so restricted it's in floodway it's in the graduate zone it's a well had protection zone and his professional determination was the highest investors of the property was for agricultural use so he based that 37,000 dollar figure on comparable sales of agriculture so that complicates things a bit from our fundraising perspective mainly because one of the primary funding sources that we were looking at is the demand housing conservation we'd actually submitted an application to them it was for about 38,000 dollars and their board is going to rule on whether to commit to that I think it's a June 24th board meeting so I need to have a conversation with the demand housing conservation board about whether they're willing to still participate in this project even though the appraisal level is significantly below what the offer to the building is and just so you kind of understand how it works with some of these fundings that they they use fair market value appraisals as their sort of baseline for what they're willing to participate in this could be good a property really doesn't from a lot of people's perspective in the conservation world it has values to the public that are not affected in the fair market value appraisal so the fair market value appraiser is saying you know if you could of course say I'll sign up on this project who's going to be one to pay the most for it but that doesn't include in this case is two major things one is the flood planning values that are being protected in this project and second thing is the public access values that are being created by this project so if I can convince the Vermont House of Conservation Board staff to consider those to add values to what the fair market value appraiser is then I'm hoping that they'll still be willing to participate and consider the funding people that will be asked so I'll have that conversation then first thing tomorrow because I want to kind of uprise you folks about the situation with that funding we often get secure through the Department of Partnership over $40,000 from another state grant program which is the River Corridor Protection Program and that's separate from the BACD grant that would be added to if we got both that would give us within $10,000 or $11,000 of the final purchase price and so I understand from Canadian Conservation Commission and other folks there's been a very robust kind of local fundraising effort that's going on that has beaten this close to that figure so if the BACD money can be secured the Ecosystem Restoration Program grant has been awarded and we're pretty much at the projected budget so I'd like to go ahead with the work we've been doing all along and continue to get this money from BACD and add it to the others the worst case scenario I guess is that don't get that money from BACD and you have to figure out some other ways to fund that gap that $33,000 gap we may look at there might be some alternative ways to run the funding or run the purchase but we would pass that issue of BACD if it's a little bit complicated but if we had an internal owner who was willing to pay it full value but essentially donated it back to the River Conservancy at its lower value at the appraised value then we would avoid that appraisal problem that's kind of a tricky but what I'm going to say is that alternatively we believe this is a really important project a lot of other organizations do we're looking at this life's first deadline though not that far away so the third thing I want to say about it is the the state clean water funding program has a new called a whisper program it's a way that we could do interim financing on this project that we have a lot of concerns you could ask for a bridge loan to basically get the money together to make the purchase on August 1st and then figure out these other funding sources pay off that bridge loan it's a little bit riskier pathway for us but we will definitely put that on the list of things to do if we're having trouble finding it so I don't think that will make sense it's still a complicated a lot of moving pieces but the appraisal company will already complicate things for sure is there a possibility that the the housing commission would give less than the ask for of them or is it a this or nothing they won't do anything I'll find out more about that I'm not sure I don't want to prejudge what they say because I think that could change a lot of factors great we're still in but only 25,000 versus 30,000 or more the issue kind of comes down to this issue of creating a special benefit it's for a private manager or somebody if you pay someone more than you've raised value from certain governmental and IRS regulations you're actually creating a special benefit for that person that they would not have gotten in the other way now I know this is a unique situation where the town agreed to that value because it was avoiding a lot of potential costs that the town might have incurred otherwise unfortunately the craving doesn't like that that was a one-time unique situation at the time I was willing to pay that value from a conservation point of view it's totally a worthwhile project at that level so that's what we have to do is figure out how to convince people so the first step people go back to the beginning talking about it would be to sign the per-sale agreement so I have the ability to have them commit to that and then we can take that per-sale if that's a necessary part of all of our funds that we have signed agreement and I guess the second part would be talking about sort of the agreement between PRC and the town about how this is all going to go along and Greg described it I think very accurately the third thing would be if the town could better convene the government and see that I can take the amount of conservation work to say that the town is in support of this project just so you know from the board or from the board it needs to be from the now so I don't think you're authorized to do that can be thank you Mel so first thing first so that we can complete his applications and try to secure his funding he needs to have a signed agreement do we need a motion to sign that? we actually have to sign it we all have to sign it yeah we all have to sign it yeah in the motion we approve the purchase and sale agreement with two orders from our river from our river to service second all in favor you guys have the copies this will be the draft for that yeah I can have you so basically this is just with the proposed agreement there's a settlement agreement that establishes the purchase price and closing deadline the town has a will by sign this agreement to sign that purchase right from our river to service you will continue to do grant writing fundraising and when we require sufficient funds to purchase it we will purchase it on August 1st and then once it's purchased and if we have all the funds in hand we will then re-condate to the town with a conservation and post access incident test one stream that comes attached to all this funding is that there will be easement it will be held by us and the environmental conservation board is a funder as they as co-holders and basically it says the land is restricted to municipal youths for recreational flood management purposes and public access so that's the easement which is really just a swap no it's the whole property so is that limited or does that still allow the add-us that's on it now? that still allows add-us it'll still be it allows for an environmental enforcement use it just restricts permanent structures so yeah I think I can say this so how does that impact if you want to put a recreational area or something down by the river is that part of the swap? so that would be something that when we get to the details of the easement we should talk about because we know that's a very active flood plan and you know even after the 15th I would have the crazy after the 15th flood and you know there was 6 to 8 inches of new sediment in parts of that field so probably you know would not be a good idea to invest in like formal structural easement series but it certainly could be a place for passive access you know sales down to the river we talked about parking a lot on the top and then on the trail down to the river maybe a kiosk yeah a kiosk but I there's a lot of higher units so there are going to be things like parking areas or kiosks or but that would have to go through the RV then do you want to get access yeah partially but it would also make the easement dictate some of that as well it's similar to the theme of operations where you just get sure, yeah but we wouldn't be doing any structures of any kind so it wouldn't be a issue that's something that we can hash out when we look at the length of the easement but we never really, there was early in the old thought of putting any massive structure or any real structure of any kind other than just a key concept possibly and I don't want the conservation to be this thought of yeah yeah it should be pretty desperate so I'll give those secret charters and you guys will reach out to them hopefully soon and you'll be able to finish all of the or some of the funding, the applications and things that's kind of been waiting on that the main thing is to be so now we have this development time that's we could give a letter or we could write a letter when you send me that just tell me which one should it come from the town or should it come from the conservation committee from the town it's part of the VHCD's processes, they want to be sure that if they invest money in projects in the municipality that municipality is supportive so that is that should come from you guys so we can talk about how you want to go meet the riders I'd rather have you all have your signature on it but it would be a lot better than just having mine on there well, why don't we entertain a motion to allow Greg to draft our representation of the town and we could sign it at our meeting or is that going to be sooner or later we cannot win if your motion it gets in the minutes indicates that the select board is supportive of this and the letter is sort of codifying that support then that would be just with my signature of that would that be enough? if you're offered to do that I just want to make sure that you're getting what you need to do about that do we need a motion? so I'd entertain a motion to allow Greg to write the draft for the town in regards to the easement which is probably the letter of support all in favor? if you could email do you want to see it? yeah yeah I have to prove for you that's right okay great, as soon as I find out about the ACDA I'm going to report it back in the meantime in the background we have had a contract with the commission has been diligently fundraising events doing a good job, doing a great job I guess you're making all sorts of money actually we actually I think this is potentially more to be raised here in Mississippi so I mean we're really confident that we're going to be able to do this in town so when there's no fundraising for this we're going to put them to work fundraising for other parts of town yeah we need to tell garage okay okay, thank you thank you so Oscar is here apologize for the wait this is one of the subjects I took in high school I'm Oscar Garter those of you who haven't met me before I think my turn is awesome so I want to clarify some responsibilities and duties that we're going to pursue as you know some constable in this primary force of activity I mean segue off that and I was actually fully certified from the state of Vermont from any council to exercise law enforcement in the state of Vermont and to do such I'd like to do the same thing here in Bevel within the confines of the general but I'd like to take that from the select board that's one of the things I'm going to tell you today I go over chapter 12 of the constables if you wish we go to clarify that now we can first bear that both the Town of Constable Harris from Town to Town whether he or she is elected or appointed and whether the voters have elected to limit his or her law enforcement powers at one end of the spectrum the Town of Constables, the Town's local law enforcement officer with all the powers of search, seizure and arrest within the town on the other end the constable only has the power to search civil process assist a health officer in discharge of his or her duties for the rest of the year remove this orderly people from town made it to the collect taxes and no tax projects elected as of July 1st 2012 all constables are now required to have training to exercise law enforcement within their Towns as I stated earlier I have basically what I'm going to do I'm going to do a level 2B certified law enforcement officer my law enforcement powers granted the scope of my training within the Town of Constables I'm also a police officer in the village of Town of Hamilton so that scope veils me statewide jurisdiction but I'm asking you to exercise my law enforcement authority within the Towns of Constable unless you guys have some other future endeavor it's also in the stashes the town lets the other towns agree I'm summarizing the paraphrase of the big time exercise less authority that authority can't I'm not asking for that but what I am asking is to get the clarification from your honor to select the members that I wish to exercise my law enforcement scope of training and authority granted to me by statute to hear from the town about that can you outline a little bit what's different from what's written here for the constable where I don't know what you're referring to you just read what's on my screen so typically the constable their job description is really defined as just doing traffic control the dog stuff really that's about it and we were and it's limited by statute by what the person in that office their certification will allow them to do as well as the town itself can limit what the constable can do so Oscar being a high level certifying police officer has a larger scope so he can do you can go to that point of it as a regular constable it's really just traffic stops you can do a little DUI enforcement and the dog will killing deer and things like that it's very limited and what are the additional things that you would bring to I bring anything that's on the list of the last page that you can't do I put everything on the last page all those statutes all those statutes I can within the town I'm allowed to execute the criminal process and so what's on this list would be what you're asking to be allowed to do in the summer I was really asking to be able to form my the duties and getting ready for the criminal process within the confines of my scope of training which I will not do death investigations which means there's a lot of this that the state police want to do because it's outside of my scope he's also confined by the talent so as an officer you can actually, you're statewide tell me if I'm wrong, don't push that there but as an officer you're actually statewide you're allowed to be an officer everywhere as a constable you are by statute confined to the town at your meeting so if he's after somebody or whatever he kind of technically has to stop the talent except the fact that he's an officer but if I were to pursue somebody I'd go outside but I can't go outside and come back in but he would basically pick up he would basically pick up so if he's coming into town he's coming down out of the highway and he's not quite in the mouth but he sees somebody doing 110 as a police officer not a constable he can stop that person and police officer not as a lethal constable so it's kind of a play I'm a killing police officer I'm not asking you to work under their veil but by statute as a police officer I'm allowed to have state jurisdiction as a constable it limits it limits me and in the audience I'm not asking you to do that I'm not asking for your permission to do that it's under the veil of my state life it's under the jurisdiction of the other title I can do it it's not to say that I would but I'm not asking the town to grant me that because you can't what I'm asking for is clarification that the select board members in the town realizes that I'm going to exercise all the law enforcement powers that I have within the scope of my training inability under statute to do so within the town of Bethel in this area let's say there's some drug duty I can investigate that but I can't do that if you can find me so if you're to give the proverbial pun I'm asking you to make sure that you guys are aware that I don't have to pay any cost on you to perform law enforcement duties within the town so when we had this discussion with Mark last time it was about a year and a half ago we had that same question what is your job as scripture because nobody would never have anything well statute again statute says it's whatever your certification allows and what the town allows you to do so we basically told Mark do whatever is in your certification and he has a lower certification so he was doing mostly tracking stops and things like that we've got a different a different circumstance here we hired a very well trained person and he's now asking do you do everything that I'm able to do or do you want me to anyone can find a guy that's kind of I think what you're trying to get at we just need some sort of clarification guidance as to what the town how they want him to move forward nor have I seen any limitation as to not to do it so that's why we're here to get that certification to get your understanding of operation what we don't want to do is come in in any town and especially in town that hasn't had a real strong constable or highly certified constable and just go for a roll I don't know if that's what the town wants maybe it's what the town wants that's why we need some sort of case what the original concept of the constable was the original concept was just minor things compared to your vast amount of responsibilities that you can do is there going to be any pushback right from so just in my limited experience history has said what I've seen history was back way back a constable was basically a untrained elected official that did very limited things but because it's gotten so specialized the training is required now you are required by law to have after-training and according to what I've just read off as of July 2012 all constables that exercised the constables have to have that training and I'm what I'm advising is that even I think you've got copies of the trains because I've had an advanced training I've had an advanced roadside impaired driving enforcement I've done animal cruelty investigation classes what I'm trying to say is if I work in the town of Kilington I've got all all kinds of authority and what I'm trying to do is give that opportunity to the town of Bethel so if I have a complaint across my desk so-and-so is committing crime that I can go okay, yeah, I'll look into that not the fact that I have to wonder if I'm not restricted to do anything we just need you to find out what it looks like really? I don't think that we want to restrict his training in any way I think what we have to be careful of is that in the time that I've been on board we have had a couple of constables during that time and each time the common theme from the community seems to be that we don't want to have a police department we want to have a more of a traditional constable however, I don't think we want to limit his if you're able to the three things that usually come up people want to see speed enforcement done the community relations piece of schools, events different activities that bigger stuff and then obviously there's the animal enforcement piece that comes with it I'm so used to be practicing but we've gotten so used to I think our community here has gotten so used to the state the state needs to rate down the road drug issue or something like that but I don't think we have to necessarily limit your experience if you know that something is going on in this house here that you don't take care of people would want to see that but I don't think we want to see you know out and about grabbing every little person I think there's a big fear in the community of having a a police department we've always been very careful to be told that we're not giving a police department we're going to have a consequence and I'm completely crystal clear I've already started walking around and seeing people going to shops and introducing myself I've been to the school I'm entirely wanting a layback approach but yet no I'm available I want people to be able to talk to me I'm making a point and I will continue to this point to go around and develop anybody can call me my contact information is on the website they can call me if they have an issue I'm not going to take the responsibility but I want people to be able to call me and talk to me and I want people to know and if they have an issue they don't feel it's being addressed by another entity and it's within the common client they can come to me it's within the scope of my training and authority made by statute I don't address it I understand you're coming from I don't want to come in here with a hard approach although I have already been put on Facebook I can stop that came like the first real quick and one of the things I want to do in a very we don't have a patch so I'm going to go to the school and have the case design come up with a design for a patch for my uniform and so on and so forth that's the type of thing I want to do I don't want to create a police force that's not number one on my list those are the things that I've heard over the years a lot of the community members are looking for however we have been in some cases handicapped in the past where if we know that there's a lot of drug activity going on and people at the park at my age it wasn't really too much that Mark could do about that other than get the state troopers involved where I think this would be handy that if we know that down out of town the bridge or something like that you can look into those more and I think people who you and me would see that as being served rather than being departmentized have you been approached by the state police yet because I think Oscar can attest to that by towns that basically are getting free coverage by DSP there was a push for a while from the state police that towns like Afal who didn't have their own police force if they had a constable I think that was one of the things behind making constables be trained more because DSP wasn't going to respond to a lot of like small criminals yeah it was but how have you been approached by the state police yet to ask you to employ a constable not an art tenure but before that like in the last five years I was curious because that was a push for a while and I thought that was the impetus behind the getting the constables more trained because the state police is you know sometimes they call people and say oh we heard you have reported burglary because they don't have the main power I really know because we have four or five individuals on per shift that kind of huge yeah I was just curious well I do know that speaking with the various sergeant that their conducts if they know I'm on their conduct if there's something going on with that they're kind of relying on me to go deal with that and that would be a hindrance again and if you guys say no you can't deal with it so there is an impetus that she has addressed and it has been in the dialogue for a number of years in small towns like Duttville they're trying to create towns that have their own I would say a lot of folks that are comfortable I guess those were the concerns of the community that I've heard my personal opinion is that we hire you with your credentials that these speed enforcement community relations and animal enforcement will be your priorities but if there is something else in the state is he doing or a crack down on I guess my personal opinion would be good with that obviously if the state police can handle it let them handle it but if they say hey we just can't get there then you take it I think there were things in the past that we just lack of credentials well I wouldn't say lack of them but we hired a constable and there was obviously some of those things that they can't deal with we could say all day long that someone told some drugs into that house but we couldn't think about it or whatever so I think it's an added benefit to the town we also only have so many hours a week some full time so how do you prioritize 20 hours when we do 7 traffic and 4 on this I mean it's hard to with what I've done so far you've got to do it all at once you can't really I mean if a call comes in I go to the call you know I've written to speed violations already but you've got to play by it you have to manage your time and you're out there let's say I do get into an investigation type of activity is there going to be some kind of administrative time I've kind of taken a seat at the town manager's office to be my home all of the year so I can't decide how I'm going to manage that until I do it like 20 hours a week I'm not asking for this I'm not asking for this I'm very happy there's only got so much to work with I just want to point out would you be monitoring the bar or making your presence known there if I'm requested too short it also depends on the scheduling too we're going to have more of a defined schedule so that people can help when he's here we had some problems before with people there was no way for anybody to know when he was going to be on his schedule is going to be posted a lot and if you do have an issue with the bar and you want to drop me an email in the midst of creating an email and contacting me I am more than welcome to take calls off duty if there's something that needs to be pressed and they can't get the state police to come here I'm more than willing to deal with I can 20 hours a week I can pull around with my mom and make that happen as we discussed that so I am available off duty for contact and usually the hot press to answer it's not so much you've got to be monitoring that bar but if somebody calls if there's an issue but we have spring summer and fall especially probably the biggest instance that we have in town is the city I won't necessarily say that we've been out of the state but we do have the 55 and the 30s so there's a lot of guys just outside town they can whip around that corner awful fast and then they don't make the transition into the school zone and then all of a sudden they're 25 they're doing 55 and 95 and the other thing that has been a nuisance in the town I don't feel that has been addressed very well because we had to be just like all the other towns we do have drug issues and it flares up from time to time it'll be very dormant for a while and also there's a lot of activity in one area and it would be nice to maybe in that respect just recently let me back up the hair I'm also wanting to let you guys know what I'm doing so I'm entertaining the idea that maybe letting you guys know what I'm doing from time to time like a log to that effect less than any crime detail any information I can't give you letting the town know that your council is doing this being really trying to be transparent with that we actually entertain maybe putting out water let's say I could get a real Facebook or whatever and the drug thing I've already made aware of that I've really gone home and tried to hit that as quick as we can but that's why I'm here so that's what you're doing and so we will get done in the past we've gotten daily reports you know put your stuff and your software together to make it look a little better you just throw sheep print stuff off from spiderdada you know just kind of the updates not like reports we used to get you know if you weren't for three days that we'd be able to get you know I haven't really had you can't get those yet you know it's not very detailed it's very vague but it'll say you know hold somebody over you know say 55 you'll get that which we admit the driver's the license plate and stuff because we'll tell you that so we'll probably force that into something a little bit more yes but I'm really here to hear from the select board that I could do the job that I wish I could do for and you've got many things I guess I'm hearing that it's okay for me to do that does anybody from the board object to using I don't know to his abilities in times of the state police are not available I guess you know well the thing is if you know that there's something going on in town that could be very long administratively you know if the state police can take care of it you know because I know what my friends are I have a budget I've been in the car for so many hours because I know my trooper friend you know they go out and pick somebody up on the interstate and they have been having druggers in the car it's an all day affair it's an all day it's a family paperwork you've got a bunch of copies of your dash cam you've got a writing affidavit if you have the license plate I had to get copies of the video from the gas station next to you it can be a sort of administratively time consuming but that's why and I think it's just important to be visible get to know the different community relations with the school especially school with the kids and any type of events that attract some water for crowds you don't usually have issues but you know it's nice to have that presence I just have another housekeeping issue I'm already in chapter 12 and maybe you can help me it says both in bond requirements the constable must take it both 24 BSA 831 and we're all subject to bond I haven't yet taken those it's just a form that the time protocol download offline all constables you know take it and just find it and do it yeah just talk to Pam and she can she does trouble she got I think we'll just wait more so I think let me just kind of summarize what we're trying to find out is if there is any sort of any sort of priorities you might have anything you'd like to not have Oscar doing if not he's going to do what he does I know there was some talk with Mark that traffic of course was the big thing but I just want to get you kind of spelled out so that you so he kind of has an idea of what he's doing moving forward what the priorities are and what is what the order is I'll leave out that for when I've heard already one more time I can do whatever I can do within the scope of my training that's what I'm hearing from the board does the board have any priorities they would like to see I mean I speak freely but I would just emphasis again on speed enforcement and community involvement and then obviously we have the animal enforcement piece of it and then anything that the state police can't cover for you as required or as needed I guess it's the way I see it if we get a possum in the town it is an honored guest they need tips like crazy do not honor guests so are we okay okay any other questions for us I'm good so far we'll not be using the taser oh yes you want to talk real quick okay I have I told you before I want to stop I don't feel the need to be cared of I do I am already certified to care of the town I'm not even going to care for the town but I am going to care for what you see here with Kepifon which I'm certified to care if I that's the look I'm looking for I'm really wanting people to approach me I'm not looking for that paramilitary environment as a matter of fact this is basically what you're going to see I do have shirts coming with a badge in my name but it's all cold, it's all cat's hands nice soft nylon belt so as far as the movie goes I really don't unless you guys know I think I just wanted to get that since it came with the certifications I think you've got pretty much the equipment you need so far I feel like the computer equipment in the freezer okay so I'm a computer geek I rebuild computers you don't have to worry about I don't have a laptop I don't need any computer stuff I do need to get the internet I've already looked into that we've discussed it that's going to happen here we're also working Oskar's going down to talk to Rochester about we know they're going to be getting rid of some stuff so we've talked to them a little bit we're first on the list to get the speed trader if they get rid of it if they get rid of it and they can't use it and I've asked them to I just wanted to be first on the list for maybe the body camera if they don't they don't let us have the body camera I will be purchasing the body camera what I'm thinking is we own part of that taser so the thought is maybe we just have tell them hey we'll swap it get the taser and we'll take the body camera so we're done and that's how we confused if the model was a body camera it's also called a taser so if you're not buying a taser and buying a taser body camera so it's a good model it's a good brand so as far as the body camera I'm pretty well equipped there's an opportunity like to say we'll try to see if we can trade off we both talked to virtually no need in this town for a taser there's too much to push back I don't think people will laugh about so how much equipment have we actually got we only have a third out you know it's really hard to tell because everything is so different every town had a different agreement the computer was actually purchased by Rochester we didn't pay anything for it so it was not ours although we could probably try to buy it from them I don't know there were a lot of little handshakes and things that went down I don't know I guess one question I have and I appreciate this question is training so yearly trainings that you need to keep your certifications and how would that be looked at with what portion of the town would the town be covering for that versus say somebody else at this moment nothing because I'm doing a lot of my training I'm going to try to do a lot of my training because they're PD so there is the annual Constable's Association there may be some stuff through the town that I may attend I'm not asking I'm not asking for a huge training budget if the state changes things maybe but at this point I don't see huge costs I've done everything that I have to that's mandated by the state I'm current I may have to do some stuff with my hours I usually do online for the most part through police one and I know that got a little confusing with us because we shared between three towns that's not an issue if it comes to that if it comes to training you should all come back to the board and ask for a training budget I don't think any training is really itemized I thought that was a little bit I think there's some money in the budget yeah I think there's some money it became very convoluted to figure out Bart was trying to work it out through three towns he picked a cruiser this time and one guy would pay for the hotel one town would pay for the training and it was just really a mess it was hard to figure out if they were really holding their peace or too much there are certain classes that I'm mandated to take I feel like it's not going to cover I'll go to $500 for training I mean especially if I if I go to the range the cost of animals isn't that cheap either but right now I think it's fine if I do something I'll address it with Greg if I need anything more over and above the $500 in my budget I'll stop it all but primarily speaking I can't I can't tell you but you don't see any huge expense I don't see any huge expense because you don't have to send me to a part-time academy you don't have to send me to the best domestic violence I mean a lot of our core stuff is all done okay like I was telling you every two years I've been trying on this every year like the first aid in CPR trying to hook up with speaking trying to hook up with White River rescue to do their EMP courts I may come to the town and ask you to be satisfied because I will add you to EMP in town I'm currently a first responder at my core level of first aid in CPR but I can't see the town I really need to become an EMP being an EMP within my duty being accessible to the town that's something I may address later in the year as well I'll go for a break and do that okay we appreciate you coming in we appreciate your work thank you, like I said if you ever need to reach me we can contact members on that oh, speaking was that I swear out there I've probably gone I've arranged to be told that it's okay I've been there for a couple of years I've been there for a while stuff like that, call me let me know they'll call me and I'll let you know call me? I've had an occasion when I called the state police and a certain member of the cycle told I was there too so yeah, probably, the tags just expired I've had an expired in April this year Deans are going to come get it they'll be able to get the equipment in their funds we're good to go so the next agenda was to was to go over the hill account for the water and sewer so we'll continue discussion from last time the owners had brought to the board's attention of some discrepancy and some billings so at this time I would entertain a motion on this I would move to credit their account $1,805.37 as well as waive the interest fees accrued on their account during our deliberation period okay second, all in favor aye okay blackboard meeting minutes for the 14th watch it all is that a challenge? yeah I said I regret what I said call my team very good no no there's a problem you guys have to hand up you picked the wrong guy the gentleman's name is Ken Carter not Kent oh I thought that's what he was saying and he didn't sign it on the sheet so I was like and we'll name him just Kenneth oh Ken, alright thank you so Ken not Kent alright perfect thank you I don't know what at all that's right so I would entertain a motion to approve the some move meeting minutes as amended on the 14th aye all in favor and we have the Caldery letter so it sounds like currently we have the Caldery uh trust that every year that we that we just signed up on that in the last I don't know what it was six years probably anyways that it hasn't hasn't occurred enough interest to do anything with any type of maintenance or above and beyond we had received a letter from Jack Caldery in regards to some issues or improvements that are required on the properties there and I guess at this point from what I'm reading they wanted to see if they could use some of the money in the trust to make said repairs I don't believe we can if the trust is just the interest so you don't have to know where they're doing this so that when I read through there's nothing that we can do now since the flooding there's supposed to be problems with that that money but I don't think there's any language in there that says that you have the authority to pull that money from it anyway can Jack do something I don't believe so they would have to do something on their end that's what I mean through the family through the witness I need to talk to Mr. Ketchum on this honestly and see if there's any way he doesn't win I mean I think it would be great if they could do that but I don't think we have any power Jack it's more than that the road is actually higher down the road is higher now than it's ever been and so this thing here it drops way down it drops down it's down a little bit now it's in a bad spot but I don't really know what you can do with this do you know the reasoning why that monument's there that's where Jack Ketchum's mother moved out right well we need to hand it because let's think how we put that up Jack will follow there's a sprinkler right there's a sprinkler because people take water all the time I don't know what we can do with it I really doubt that maybe we don't have the language you mean we don't have the language for free we don't get any response from that trust so we just gravel up there down the corner all the ground came around the van because it's right around the corner so when the storm came down it took all the gravel and it pretty much deposited it right there inside that people are still taking a waterfront it's still working it's just not as pretty as it could be can we smooth it up a little bit he thinks it needs to be raised up but all of a sudden there's no money involved oh yeah we'll clean it up but he wants it built up and get up to where the road doubles at everything I just don't know if that's really what we need to do or even possible we don't stick relations to that we just have to maintain it we don't have to maintain it only if it makes it past the we've been doing it because it's the right thing to do according to the note that we really don't need to do anything unless the interest is over or whatever what would you like to do if you catch it and just see what he thinks about it but I'm trying to get at it it doesn't seem like we've got to stay it all washed out because we've got to replace it I don't know I don't know all it says in there is that we have to the town is required to maintain it and use the money to add the interest if there's a certain problem I'll talk to Mr. Ketchum and see what I mean nothing's come out of there the problem is is with the interest levels being so low nothing's come out of that fund in six or eight years I think there's I would say it would have to be something on there and if they can make I don't know if there's a someone's in charge of the trust I don't know I don't know I don't know well the trust is pretty much doubled in size but you can't take anything out of it based on the wording of the interest I don't know if Jack will maybe just bring that up to him do they get a balance of the trust over here I don't have any idea I have to talk because the trustee of public funds alright projections everybody have anything make you want to bring up through there the only thing I just wanted to point out is that projections-wide we are projected to come about $303,000 short on the revenue collection end of things on time anyways for property taxes for property taxes in our budget I mean even though we had a really hard winner with overspending for materials and then diesel fuel and repairs to vehicles and all the other stuff that came with it right now our right now our projected deficit would be at $133,000 now we just have to take that into consideration that the deficit right now would be or we've spent $133,000 more than in our budget but we also got to look at this number that we're projecting there's $303,000 of the revenues that have not come in that we're not counting here so if those revenues came in on time then there is no deficit you have a surplus so currently I like the way you think I want to make sure that we get that out to the public because we're looking at that our cost overran by $133,000 now we still have unappropriated funds so like capital funds and things like that that have not been appropriated that we can hold on to and that's a tune of about $99,000 so we can hold on to those to get as close to even if we can get so if we hold on to those funds then our deficit is $34,000 however if everybody paid their bills on time there wouldn't be no deficit right now we would be at we would be able to pay put all our money into our capital funds that are supposed to be there and still be $170,000 and these are the things that $170,000 on what is 8 cents really so I mean there's 8 cents where it's tax money every year that's to well at least not every year but this year that's bound up for people just not paying the bills on time and so again that's a projection I already looked at the other each quarter to see what the percentage of collection rate was like right after taxes because that's how you calculate what you pay to school you only have to pay to school within you know X amount of days from the day you collect the percentage of what you collect so it was about 93% so that was kind of how I came into that number but we did just mail out delinquent tax bills on Wednesday so you do see an influx right away of money from people that maybe just forgot to pay or so you do see some influx and when we pay to school it doesn't make sense the way you tell them they just pay they got to pay and the school gets paid regardless of whether you collect all the money or not they get 100% so at the end of May when we do projections again here we will get a nice little influx of cash out of those bills that 90 you know 3% that might be higher so hopefully that will take care of it because the good thing is you have to set the tax rate, you'll set the tax rate in June by then you'll have a better idea so if you have to do any deficit reduction you'll make it up in that tax rate that way you're not sitting on it for 100 years and then you'll have a 1.4 million dollar response so I mean and the thing really to get out here is if magically tomorrow or before July 1st everybody came in and paid their money we would have we would be able to have money in our undesignated balance and people are farm heads of them well they know but they're I did don't spend it now just to put it in perspective because at some point some of our budgeting we budget for delinquent taxes and at some point very soon we're not going to budget for delinquent taxes so if there's going to be like this year we budgeted $50,000 we plugged it and next year we already cut that and kind of take some interest so if you take that out of it and I was just kind of doing a comparison everybody based on the the cost overrun of a really severe winner of $133,000 if everybody did pay their bill on time this year and if you take out all the if you take out all the delinquent taxes and penalties and interest that we collected over this year our true disc we would have run a deficit this year I don't think anybody would have said we wouldn't have but we would have run a deficit but it would have only been to $37,000 overall now the good thing is that we had you know lots of delinquent taxes and penalties and interest that we collected too so it should have been really a good surplus year for us everybody you know should have been able to keep $200,000 in our pocket but instead we're running a slight deficit because we're still lacking payment and that's kind of what I wanted to get out there earlier with the water and sewer is the same thing if everybody showed up and paid the water and sewer bills we'd be able to do the upgrades to the water and sewer systems on time and not have to be behind time so just about as far down as I can so a couple of notes I had on here so we still have repairs parts and tires on equipment you know we're over on that budget currently I projected over just $45,000 and then did that $45,000 include the $10,000 you said you have $10,000 more coming in for the water so that covers that and I know we've been extremely busy but going back through the material that we use this year can we get the discussion for the winter winter maintenance schedule or something can we get that back on the agenda items that I talked about I know it would be nice to have that formalized done this summer so we can give everybody the opportunity to get ready but I was just kind of looking at the salt and I said I don't have to get that on there I didn't see anything else did anybody have anything that stuck out or wanted any more clarification on I tried to put an old sign of life well this is the EP3 visiting evidence yeah this is just a clarification email that we got from our passive people about that waiver form basically what he said is that workman's comp will cover all of this under the form it's just it can't be a whole lot to the language of the form so we're on the hook workman's comp will cover yeah sorry yeah workman's comp will cover and last time we made a motion accepting it as it was unless it needed to be amended of course of course it is nowadays even if you have all of your eyes not in the case across I wouldn't still sue you for whatever right does anybody have any further discussion on that matter I didn't look at the tax report did we receive that big concerns so yeah it was kind of a dull panic you know when you see that that was what the method was because you know we just issued that was like right after same day that I generated the interest and penalty bill so a lot of this you know you will get you know some of the common 30 days people will get it I would be honest we've had several people at BCA who may be seeing this as a BCA member several people came in the day after a couple days after the taxes were due obviously when you come in we're going to charge 9%, 8% penalty 1% interest and some people were very upset because they felt that due to you know place paving that they couldn't get to the office you know my answer was I'm sorry this would be harsh but you knew when your taxes were due when it was issued to you in July it's on our website it's on Facebook I have a sign out there because of construction you did kind of the day they were and I spoke with VTrans the day taxes were due they spoke with the flaggers you know and like they were great about getting people in and out I said look today is tax day and they happened to be in front of the building but people were good residents parked in downtown and walked to the office so they also if anyone called Kelly told them they could get a postmark you know so there were some disgruntled people but that was the deal and we had another one today and I did tell the gentleman that no one in the town had the authority to waive the interest in penalty except for the board of civil authority and I explained that process to him and how that would happen whether or not they would well again you get you know if it's due on the 15th you can pay it on the 14th or the 13th yes absolutely and I told him that's really what we did I mean I could see if it was like you have to come on that certain day pay a bill and there was a disturbance but you have a whole line and Kelly was terrific because if someone called she said get a postmark there's a slot in the door you know there's like you know she gave them options on how that they could take care of it or they could park and walk if they weren't willing to wait the 15 minutes in traffic or something so I'd rather than go through all these I'm assuming that any of them that are multiple year ones that those all have some sort of standing right I think I wrote some notes in them I got them in the upper corner because Oaks and Goldworth did not sell the tax sale so you can see what that is there's an estate that I'm trying to get someone to contact me there's another number here someone who is in bankruptcy is in here so you can't you can't agree with them you can't support and you get this little tiddly payment so a couple of the bigger numbers are things that didn't sell the tax sale and then most of them a lot of people at this point have pain arrangements so some of it might take a little bit to catch up but another taxing is my opinion Alice, my hope is to any stragglers the other thing is to if someone have a payment arrangement and they're not adhering to it then it's right to be remit that will sell them and involve female and girls so I think it's going to take tax sale or two and maybe a garbage ordinance to sell it to sell it to sell it to sell it to sell it but otherwise I think it's you know, fantasy monsters it's come a long way I was unhappy after the tax sale that I didn't sell two properties but we got it from a quarter of a million down to two so that wasn't bad because we had a lot of interest in that tax sale we had a lot of interest in that tax sale and we sold and a lot of people took care of it before and then the ones that we sold we sold all that too so that was bad and we started such a big list Any further discussion with Eric? So the going to the tax report Yeah So while we're talking about the Chris Jarvis garbage nuisance ordinance because my name seems to get quite everything just checking on to see where the Chris Jarvis pump balance are at but look I hate I told my friends that we were going to install them on Chris to drive but I don't even remember what we said about those We said it May 15 We had made an adjustment so we're going to move so the one down to the bank was still going to be there but we were going to take the one in front of the hardware store we were going to move that down by the press Right? And I didn't know we had you know we tried to plug and I think what we were looking at was because the one by the hardware store seemed to get run over the most and if we could put that on up further We'll put two on your side and then get some more feedback through that maybe we ought to because when we initially put these in we were going to give it a year or two and get some feedback and they've been in for one year so we've only gotten one year where the feedback and damage are for itself I don't know They will get installed I know that as soon as the guys get caught up and they can get to striping the crosswalks they'll do it at the same time I recommend that we wait till Pike is out of here and the bank has steps Oh yeah, of course What is Pike going to be out of? Well, to find out But they're not even working in this area The contractor will probably be over over like around later I mean this area gets pretty well As soon as we get the stairs down and these guys with the poles I think are out in the downtown area are parked by the bank and traffic is way behind me as far as I could see and then I started moving and by the time I got up going home there was all the way up to Nobles and that was three and a half minutes What are the lockouts affecting with traffic in terms of that? People just, you have cars in the road I don't think you want anything out there other than the road until you're on track backed up all the time Right, and my question is how is the bump out any different than a car parked along the side of the road in relation to moving or stop traffic I don't think there's any difference I mean that's been our argument this whole time It's no, it doesn't make the road any more narrow than a parked car would You know, so I just don't see the why wait till that's just past where we'd be putting the I mean the idea of the bump outs is to have them installed prior to the tourist season so that we're slowing traffic down the downtown to keep the noise level down We're slowing traffic down now Eventually in the day and they pack up and they leave and then people speed up and down this road We just need to kind of know when we're going to put those back in so that we can coordinate So we're going to have to get the downtown people interested in making them look good Those are scheduled future to go into Sinclair Street which is either the end of May or early June But the bank, there's going to be construction right now That's a different story You won't put the one by the bank Yeah, it's no more easy to do that We can't get her to start doing all that anyway, so I'll just talk to Alan and see what his schedule looks like We'll be in Sinclair Street because it's all right there I mean, if the bank says, hey, we got three weeks of working on the steps then maybe we do it at the end of June or both then at the end of June or something or whatever makes sense Just knowing that they're going to be put in we should really thoroughly track feedback this year and that way we can really establish what we want to do with them going forward This was not anybody on this select board's idea to put these in This was something that came through an opportunity that came through the BRI that was piggybacked on top of other successful downtown initiatives that this came out of the original initiative which was limiting the noise decibels in the downtown because Kelly kept this detail list last year on the Word document and I think she provided you guys that information she kept a very detailed list I will talk with Alan and see what his schedule looks like and I mean, I think on my end I would rather see the crosswalks painted as soon as we can like last year we've got done but if they're working in the right way they're always going to have last year because if we get to cover before the month we'll do it all I'm assuming it'll be soon we try to do it in May but the weather is not that difficult well, you've got to get a few days of nice weather too it's not that difficult never going to run talking about any other discussions