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Boy, you're gonna piss some people off. Boy, are we just on this kick right now of just to fend everybody? I know. We used to punch everybody in the gut. We got all the cardio queens after us right now on YouTube. Cardio queen. Now you're gonna get all the bodybuilder intensity failure guys that are getting spots on every one of their lifts. You're gonna piss all them off. There's a study that shows this. I know. Okay, so here's the deal. First off, to explain failure lifting. What that means is you lift the weight until you fail, right? You can't lift the weight anymore. Now there's always a debate. Do you fail on technique in form or do you fail when you just can't move the weight anymore, whatever? Either way, it's too much intensity most of the time for most people. That's the problem. And there are studies that show that there's benefits. But studies are always eight to 12 weeks long. Temporary. Exactly. And when you train to failure, it is not, even though you reduce the volume of your training to make up for that intensity, it really does fry the body in a different way. Well, when we talked about the workout partner thing, this is kind of what came to mind for me because I wish I remember the exact study, but I do remember reading a study that talked about the benefits of training to failure. And it's benefits as far as muscle growth. And after reading that, that's all I needed to hear. Like, okay, I need to be doing negatives and a workout partner who's taking me to failure. This entire modality is devoted to just ramping that intensity up to a really high level. Yeah, and so I was stuck in this kind of trap for a very long time, at least a decade of training looked like every exercise that I did, I definitely did at least one set, if not every set to failure. And if I wasn't struggling, then I didn't get a good workout. That was my thought process. And that's also why I used to think that a workout partner was so valuable was the only way I could take this thing to failure every time is if I got someone to help me out. Yeah, now, the truth is that the failure training does and can produce some pretty significant results. The problem is nobody programs it properly. And failure training should be used appropriately. And I would argue by people who really understand technique form stability and know their bodies. Because when you go to failure, the risk of injury does go up. That's just the bottom line. Just the amount of intensity that you're putting your body through. Because here's the thing when you train to failure, if you don't ever do it and you try it, it's further than you think. Like you'll get to a rep and be like, oh my God, I think I have one more. Then you'll do it and be like, oh my God, I have another one. And you'll keep going. And when your form starts to break down, oftentimes it's the weak link that breaks down, which dramatically increases the risk of injury. And for most people going to failure, not only is it not necessary, but it tends to set them back. And so with client, I mean, let me ask you guys this, with your clients, did you ever train when you were good? And forget when you sucked as a trainer, when you started getting good. Did you ever train clients to failure ever? No, rarely ever. Do you guys remember what it was that shattered your paradigm? I remember. Cause I had no interest really in power lifting or Olympic lifting and I really didn't follow that. That's probably more Justin and maybe even you. I didn't really pay attention to their programming and training until way later. And I was shocked that the strongest people in the world, like never trained to failure. I mean like literally hardly ever trained to failure. Like they're trained, not only that, like 60 to 70% intensity. Their intensity was even way, we talk about two reps in the tank all the time. So we promote that. Like that's what most people should train for is having two reps left in the tank in their sets. And that's like what Olympic lifters and power lifters train like 80% of the time. It's not until they get like to their peak or getting ready to get into a meet, do they test those limits, you know? And I thought that was so crazy. And I was like, how funny is this that you have all of these weekend warriors or gym bros that are lifting and we're all using spotters and you got this man, you got this and we're training this way. And yet the strongest, most muscular people on the planet when you talk about power lifters and Olympic lifters are never training that way. Or like you're talking about a 5% of the time they are training this way. It completely just shattered my paradigm. You tend to hear training to failure from bodybuilders but even if we use, you know, I don't necessarily like using bodybuilders or elite athletes as examples because what we're dealing with is a very, it's a very rare, you know, portion of the population with genetics that are on the extreme end. I mean, it's really no different than people who are over seven feet tall. It's so rare in real life, you know, you walk around a real life, you know, you never see anybody it's over the seven feet tall. That's how rare the type of genetics are that produce bodybuilders. Well it's not just that either though, Sal. I mean, when you're talking about that community, a big portion of them, especially the ones that look amazing, are on anabolic. Then you throw that on top of it. And then I tell you what, one of the biggest things that I notice from taking testosterone for as long as I did, one of the best things was the recovery ability. I mean, strength, yeah, that's cool. But you're eventually, your body kind of adapts to that and you start hitting your peaks anyways. Yeah, you throw shit at your body and you don't really get sore. Yeah, and I don't really get that sore anymore. So that, it's not like strength just keeps going up forever as long as you're on, you know, steroids. What was amazing though was the recovery ability. Yeah. Was that I could throw anything at my body and destroy it and my body had this ability to recover and get back. Yes, but genetics, the extreme genetics plus that produces this insane situation. And so taking advice from that, you know, category of people, you have to be very careful. I would say you'll get some answers if you look at all of them and kind of look at trends but you're not going to get all the answers. But here's some clues, right? If you look at the pro bodybuilders, the elite top muscle building people with the best genetics and of course on antibiotics and you look at the ones that train with the failure intensity model, what you tend to see is a high rate of injury. You tend to see, I mean, the most popular being Dorian Yates, right? Dorian Yates trained what he called heavy duty style training where, or excuse me, not heavy duty, blood and guts was the name of his style of training but it was borrowed off of heavy duty, which was invented by Mike Menser and he had lots of injuries, right? Ronnie Coleman trained with an incredible intensity, right, tremendous amounts of injuries. Then you have bodybuilders that didn't train that way who had a lot of longevity. Dexter Jackson. Dexter Jackson being a great example of a bodybuilder. But, you know, so the risk of injury is very high. It does fry your central nervous system, it really does and the CNS needs time to recover just like muscles do, if not more so. Now, if I see a program with failure programmed in properly, then I would say this is good but I never see that. I'd never see failure programmed improperly. It's almost always either the feature of the program or somehow it's the feature, you know, where they talk about intensity and how hard you need to train. But no, yeah, intensity is important but going to failure is too much for most people. And now when did it change for me? I'll tell you. It changed for me. I want to say late 20s maybe. And up until then, like you, I trained to failure quite often and did the body part split the whole thing. And then I started reading these old strength books that were written by people in the early 1900s. And I noticed they all trained full body three days a week. They looked incredible. This is before supplements were even invented, really. Forget anabolic steroids. And I thought, and then what they would write about in these books was make sure that you save some energy the way that they put it, right? Because they didn't say failure. They said, make sure you have enough energy to train the next workout. And don't, you know, essentially it would say don't beat up your body. And so I took it as, okay, if I'm training my whole body three days a week, going to failure, I know is gonna crush me. What if I stopped a few reps short of failure? And the gains I got were literally within the first week I saw my strength start to go up. Well, that's why I had the biggest epiphany was like measuring more so on how my next workout felt. And, you know, there's this whole thing, like your body needs to heal, right? And so at some point, you know, there's healing or adapting, like which one are you doing? There's a sweet spot there where if you're adapting and you go into your next workout, you feel stronger, you feel more energized. And if you've never felt that in a workout and you just felt almost dread, like you're grinding your way through every single workout, you gotta assess, you know, that amount of intensity you're bringing. Well, that's where it came full circle for me. So first it was seeing the programming from power lifters and Olympic lifters. Then I remember like the first couple of times that I took like a, like being very consistent, like in hardcore training, right? And training intensely. And then I took like a week vacation. And matter of fact, we used every July we had this 10 day vacation, we go up wakeboarding. And that was all I did. No, I wasn't lifting weights, I'm out in the trees and the lake, like, and then I'd come back, you know, worried. I'm gonna be, oh my God, all I did was eat candy and sit on a lake and, you know, lay out and stuff like that. No training whatsoever. Sure, I was doing a little bit of cardiovascular stuff by doing wakeboarding, but not any strength training at all. Oh my God, I'm gonna lose all the strength. And I come back stronger. And that was kind of when like that whole thing came together for me. It was like, what the hell? And it's like, oh wow, maybe my body really needed to fully recover like that. And now that I am fully recovered, my body is responding and I'm getting stronger. And that was when it all started to come together. And now here's what's interesting with failure training. And this is where I think some people get sold. When you do it for a short period of time, you do gain strength and you do, you can gain muscle in a very short period of time, but it's very short-lived. Which, well, that's where the studies are built around. That's the, because if you were to... Especially if you never train to failure. And then you do it like for a couple of weeks, you see like, oh my gosh, I'm getting stronger and building muscle very, very quickly. That happened to me as a kid when I first picked up heavy duty by Mike Menser. And I was like, for a month, I saw these crazy gains. And of course it all stopped and plateaued completely. So as a long-term approach, it's really terrible. And again, I think it's just never programmed appropriately or properly. And when people use failure, they use it all the time. It's just all about intensity. And so one of my favorite things to do as an older trainer when I started to get real good is if I had a guy hire me who had worked out for a long time and I'd look at their workouts and I'd see that they trained to failure all the time, I would confidently say to this to them, I'd say, oh, I'll get you 10 to 15 pounds stronger on most of your lifts within a month. And they'd look at me like I was crazy. And I'd say, I'll refund you if it doesn't happen. You know what I would do? Just have them not trained to failure. And then all of a sudden they'd see these crazy gains because they were overdoing it before. You know, it's tough. It plays with the ego a little bit, right? Because I remember lifting, I mean, I'm still guilty of this, right? I think we all are a little bit where you have a workout and you can just feel the weight like moving so easy. And it's like, oh, shit, this 225, that's not a grind right now. It feels like it's moving up slow or smooth. Oh, let me throw another quarter on there and see how that goes. And then all of a sudden you're like, whoa, I've never lifted this. It's a PR for you in your workout. And then what do you want to do the next week? PR again. Yeah. Well, if that was the best I've ever done, I mean, what could be next week be? So it's, you know, it messes with- Running as fast as you can into a brick wall. Yeah, that's really, so this isn't, I don't feel like this is us pointing at everybody else and saying, oh, everybody's doing this wrong and we're so right. Listen, I'm guilty of doing this too. It's, you know, it feeds the ego. When I get in there and get a lift and it's the most I've ever done and it's very tempting to want to keep doing that, to see where the end is and see, wow, how much stronger am I? But, you know, and initially you may see that. You may actually be able to do that back-to-back weeks and see gains and go, oh my God, I am getting stronger but it's really hard to do that and then go, okay, it's time for me to go the other direction. Like, you're fighting with the ego. Yeah, totally. All right, I want to tell you guys about, I went on a, you know how sometimes they go on a little bit of a rabbit hole on the internet and just research random stuff? You know those holes. Yes, yes, me and the rabbit holes. So I did, I did that last night. I went down this rabbit hole learning about this pharmaceutical drug and I did not know it existed and I learned some very interesting things about it. So here, let me tell you first how I got there, right? So, okay. Yeah, what's the original search? Yeah, so you got to figure it out. So I got to explain this because you be like, what the hell's wrong with you? So I was just researching a lot about, and I have been, and this is something I've researched in the past quite a bit, but now especially because, you know, I'm on TRT myself. So it's very, you know, it's in the back, it's in my mind all the time. So I'm researching hormone therapy, side effects and what happens here and what happens there and what about this hormone and that hormone? And I learned about the effects of prolactin in the body. So I don't know if you guys are familiar with the hormone prolactin. In women, it stimulates lactation and in men, it does a few things, but one of the things that it does is it creates the refractory period after orgasm. Okay, so there's this big difference. What's the refractory period? Okay, so I'll explain, right? So a very interesting big difference physiologically, I guess, or behaviorally between men and women is that women, I told Jessica this is female privilege. So we had a nice discussion about this. Big female privilege, a real female privilege. Women can have multiple orgasms, like one after another, it's totally possible. Lots of women have experiences. Do you know this, Doug? Yes, I'm aware of it. Doug, what's an orgasm? Women can orgasm? Sorry, shot across the bow there, sorry. Yeah, I think so. I'm gonna keep my mouth open right now. You looked too comfortable over there, I had to shake you up a little bit. He's got a picture of it. There's like a diagram. He's posted up the 40-old version. Here's the clitoris. The clitoris. Front cover, right there, that's perfect. Make sure you focus on this area, Doug. So women can have multiple orgasms, but men rarely, it's super rare for man can't, right? A man has what's called a refractory period. He orgasms and the hormone, we now know this, prolacting. And then we go to sleep. Yes, it comes, the pituitary produces a ton of it immediately, causes your erection to go away. You can't orgasm again and you're done. You're over it and you're satisfied. So you're telling me you found a supplement that we could take? Not a supplement. It's a drug and no, I'm not encouraging people to take it. Okay, I was like, well, this is interesting. And the reason why I got there was because, so hormone therapy clinics will sometimes prescribe, not just testosterone, but an anabolic steroid called nandrolone, this is known as DECA. So DECA dorobolin is the trade name, bodybuilders would call it, but really the chemical name is nandrolone. And TRT places will often, or not often, but sometimes prescribe it to men who want to improve their kind of joint function and feel on top of their testosterone. I just ordered it. Okay. So my last talk with Dodd was exactly this. I was telling, one of my complaints was my joint pain. And he's in my estrogen, I don't know if we talked about this yet. Oh, did we talk about this show about my estrogen levels and everything? It was too low. Yeah. And one of the options I had was actually ordering DECA and trying that. I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I do a low dose and when you do through a lab or whatever and they test you for the whole thing, but one of the side effects of using nandrolone at high doses, not what you're gonna be using, but at high doses. No, two to one is what he says. So two times testosterone, half of that will be DECA. Yeah, so like 200. So if I'm doing one cc of testosterone, which is what I'm on, I'll be half a cc of the DECA. Yeah, so and now bodybuilders use way more, obviously. Bodybuilder doses of anabolic steroids and testosterone are 10 times higher than what you would get at a hormone therapy place. And I don't know if you guys have heard this term in bodybuilding circles, DECA dick. Have you heard of this before? Yeah, yeah. Okay. This is a side effect. I have not. People will take a lot of nandrolone to try and bulk up or whatever, build muscle, and then they'll be like, I can't get an erection. Like what the hell is going on? And they used to think it was because of the conversion to estrogen, even when they took anti-estrogens, they would have it. That's not what Todd explained to me. He explained to me it has something to do with like the body thinking that the DECA is trying to create the testosterone and it's not like testosterone is. Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. That's kind of like the hell though. And that's what's happening. It makes them. So I don't know, but I'm telling you how I got to this place of research. So then what I read is they said. It wasn't lactating porn. Yes. How it started. What? I'm just saying. Did you go through my phone? I did. Okay, so then I'm reading and I don't know, but they would talk about DECA dick and I'm reading more about anabolic steroids and side effects. You see these in these forums are saying sometimes people can get gyno, not from estrogen, but from prolactin or prolactin side effects, like they can't get erections or whatever. And then in these forums, they, and this is what I guess this is the cool and maybe not so cool thing about bodybuilding circles. They're like the ultimate lab rats. They just experiment on themselves. So apparently some of these people would get their hands on black market. Cabergoline, I think it's pronounced or cabergoline. I've never heard of this. So this is an anti-prolactin drug that is, it's a dopamine agonist. So it increases dopamine and reduces prolactin in the body. And so it kind of offsets it. And then I read articles that before the invention of Viagra porn stars would take this thing. They would take this and then do their porn shoots or whatever and be able to just have multiple orgasms. Men, multiple orgasm. Then I read a study where they gave it to men so it's being researched as a potential libido booster in both men and women. Oh, interesting. And then it was a small study, but the men in the study who had like some sexual dysfunction issues, taking it reported that they were able to orgasm many times in a row. And I was like, yes. I was like, what? Many is like more than three. Like if it's two, you say two. If it's three, it's three. But if it's more than that, that's it. I think more than one in a row is pretty miraculous for God. Yeah, holy cow. So wait, okay. Okay, so this is like part of the hormone that's responsible for women producing milk? That's what it does with women. Okay, so. By the way, I'm not a hormone expert, so if I'm fucking this up, please don't do this. I'm just trying to understand this pathway here. It's so, so now they take this drug that sort of emulates that, but it's for some reason in men, it milks them a different way. Do I understand this correctly? Kind of similar, what do you think about it? It triggers the male refractory period. So it's what, it'll, it's, and they've discovered this through using these drugs and through giving men more prolactin to see what happens if there's a longer periods between when they can get an erection and have, you know, an orgasm again. And the answer seems to be yes. So what is it about Viagra that does something similar? No, Viagra doesn't do something similar. Viagra. If you ever are thinking of Viagra, a lot of times you can come and go at it right after it. You still have an erection afterwards. Well, that's different. So Viagra is a, it inhibits the enzyme that breaks the ametric oxides. You just get easier erections, but it does nothing for libido. You just have a useful member. Yes. It does nothing for libido. What this drug has, will do according to some studies. Are you producing even more semen then? Yes. Oh, wow. Also from what I've read. Wow. Oh, wow. Pretty wild. Now this led me down. Sounds fun. So as I'm reading this, I'm like, what the, this is crazy. Oh, by the way, I would not mess with a dopamine agonist for this purpose because messing with dopamine, dopamine is connected to impulsive behaviors like gambling, cheating on your partner, overeating. So I would imagine if you took, if people mess with this drug, you might see some potential behavioral issues that could happen as a result. In fact, I read a couple of people wrote, oh my God, I had to go off that drug. I developed a shopping addiction or what am I? Oh, shit. Wow. That doesn't sound like a good. So we're not promoting this. No. Aren't there supplements? But it's fricking wild. But it sounds like good time. It's wild. Aren't there supplements on the market that make claims of making your load bigger? Yeah. Right? What's, I don't know what the politically correct way to say that. I don't know. Or scientific way to say that. That's the way to say it. A lot of. They are. You know what I mean though, right? I mean, I've seen advertisements for that. Oh, yeah. Is it related? There's one supplement called ball refill. Volumizing. Dad, why don't you Google that real quick for us? Ball refill. Increase your load. Yeah, see what you get. There's another one called ejaculoid. That's another one that I, I swear to God, these are real supplements. Yeah. No, it feels like. Sal's already done the research. I have. No, we're not making any permission of these products without advertising. Now, do you know if there are certain natural things that you could do or food that you could eat? I did not get there yet. So now I'm looking at. That's the follow up. Yeah. I'm going to look up that kind of stuff and see what natural things you could, sorry, I got excited there. What you can do. But really interesting. And then I thought to myself like, okay, evolutionarily speaking, why would women have multiple orgasms? Or more importantly, why did the human male evolve to not be able to have multiple orgasms? And then it made perfect sense to me. If you think about it, we would not be here. We'd be lazy. We'd be like, yeah, we gotta get on, keep moving on. You imagine when you go kill stuff. Yeah. When you're a teenager and you first discover how to, you know, jeez, go to school. No. This is way better. Remember, you know what I thought about? Remember that clip on Indiana Jones where the guy's face like, oh, that's so drained right now. Drink some water, Justin. Oh my God. Wow. Anyway. Speaking of disasters, I don't know how to get out of this, but I showed you guys that video yesterday. Dude, please tell me what the hell. Bro, that is scary. We got a thread of the audience. So we have a thread we're all on, right? And we're chatting back and forth, half business, half personal stuff. And Justin sends over a video that Courtney obviously sent to him. Look at this. The sun is shining so brightly and reflecting off the table that it is literally about to start a fire on our fucking chair. Holy shit. And you had a chair in your house. Almost spontaneous combust. Yeah. Your dining table all of a sudden was smoking and you catch on fire. It was the craziest thing in... It was a demon. Well, that's the thing. Like, okay, so when I bought the place, I guess three years previous to that. So it was like rebuilt. So it's only three years old. And before that, I guess the hot tub had caught on fire spontaneously and the whole house went up in flames. Wait a minute. Hold on a second. Let's stop for, let's pause. You bought it. I need an exorcist. You bought a haunted house? No, it's not hot. I don't feel like it is. And I'm pretty sensitive to those things. And, you know, it's... You're sensitive to spirits? I'm a sensitive spirit guy. I am. I told you guys, let me go stories. Big dream catcher guy. It's all legit. Yeah, but so I... She sends me this video and I'm like, oh my God, it shows that basically what happened, I think was that like through the window, the sun came down and reflected off of part of the metal that was near the table that then reflected again and intensified the light. And then... So it created like a magnified... There's like a magnified effect and literally like start penetrating the wood leg and you can even see there's a little hole. I mean, Andrew will post the video because you sent the video over. So Andrew got posted. It starts smoking and then there's still like a little bit of a hole right there. So this is like... What's the metal? What is it? So this is like, remember when you were a kid, did you ever get a magnifying glass? Oh yeah. It's like ants and spiders and ants on fire and stuff like that. But that's a magnifying glass that you're intentionally holding. So this must have created that effect. It must have angled all the sun rays. What kind of metal is this? And what's it doing? Like where is it? I mean, it literally, it's just almost like... Is it on the... It's like chrome. It's like it's shiny kind of metal. So obviously... On the table, where? Where is it at in your house? Yeah, it's on it. So the, okay. So the actual chair itself has wooden legs. The table itself is the one that has the metal reflective type. It must be a curve. There must be a slight curve to it, to the metal. Yeah. That's the thing. It must have a curve and then it must have bent the light so it like intensified it. But it just made me, it blew my mind because like if she didn't see that, it would have gone up in flames. Yeah, if you were not home. Yeah, that is why. Cause the way she said, she found it was she smelt it first. The video showed smoke coming out of the light. Oh yeah, no. It was literally, it looked like if this stayed going for another half hour, it's catching on fire. Hey, how funny, how funny if you're just, you're there in lunch, you just sit there, you even know it's on your leg. So what did you do? I mean, are you obviously going to get some blinds or something up in that room? Yeah, we got it. We do have blinds, I think, that we just need to use them in the middle of the day now for that specific reason. But yeah, I was like, man, this is super dangerous. And I can only imagine people like that have had spontaneous flames. That's had to have happened before. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy to me. That is why. I didn't even consider that as a possibility. Have you ever, Justin, you probably have seen this before. Have you ever read about the myths and theories on some of the weapons that the Greeks used or the Persians used? Oh yeah. That we don't have, we don't know how they did it, but they wrote about some of these methods. They had like big, I don't know if it's bronze mirrors. Yeah, that they used to try and capture the sun and then shoot on like ships that were coming into port. That's what we think. I remember seeing this. So they would write about, there was one thing first off called Greek fire. This was one thing, and we don't know what the formula was, but apparently they would crush in naval battles because they would spray, it was like napalm. Napalm, yeah. They would spray this, we don't know what they made it with. Maybe napalm, basically. And they'd light it on fire, spray it, and it would stick to anything and stay on fire and you couldn't put it out with water. Like if it hit the water, the water would be on fire, like oil or something like that. Like a grease fire. Yes, and they would spray water on it. They would spray boats with it and couldn't put it out and it was just, there you go. Archimedes set Roman ships of fire with can't see. And we don't know how they did it. Well, there's, it shows you. Yeah, that's reflecting it. Oh, that's different. That's the mirror. Yeah, that's the mirror we're talking about. That's something different. The other thing that we think they did is use a giant magnifying glass of some sort to magnify the sun's rays to set ships on fire. So this was like an actual naval weapon. Dude. Which is kind of crazy. So crazy, and of course it's funny because back to the whole video that Courtney sent, my kids were trying to describe to me, like with intensity what happened and all they wanted to talk to me about is that she swore a couple of times in the video. Oh. She did. Because yeah, they count on their hands like how many times they've heard us swear. So that was, you know, she just got a couple of dings on her mark. My kids hear me swear. But that was justified. I'm like the whole house could have just burst into flames when we're not there. Yeah, that's crazy. I don't think I've seen anything like that before. I didn't even think that that could be possible. It's so rare because you have to have the right angle of the sun, the right glass, the right reflective surface to create a point and then have something at the right place for that point. Like you said, the curvature and everything, the actual geometry of that has to all line up perfectly. Yeah, because if the chair was a little further or closer, it wouldn't have hit that point where the sun's raised. Although you guys have wood floor, so it would have probably burnt the hole on the wood floor though. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing, like in who knows what kind of, like a finish was on the chair and everything if it would have caught even, you know, right? Tensibly because of that. So the house caught spontaneously caught on fire? Before you bought it? Oh yeah, before it bought it. Did anybody die? Is this the same way? I was actually excited about it because this is a brand new house. You know, basically it's like three years old because the one before that. But I guess, yeah, I think it was electrical, but you know, they didn't really explain exactly how it happened, but it was from the hot tub and jacuzzi that was outside like my son's room now. But we don't have a hot tub now. And I'm not going to put it there just because of jinxing, you know, whatever. I just, I don't want to mess with it. All, you know, I was thinking about getting a hot tub but way later. But yeah, so that happened. Wow. And the whole thing just, you know, went up. Dude, do you want to hear something crazy? So my uncle, this was a long time ago. So my family works, most of my family works in construction stuff in Sicily or here. And I had an uncle that worked in construction and they, there were some buildings that were put up in the early 1900s that were supposed to be up for a long time, but something happened and they were going to get torn down. So they go to tear down these buildings and they find bodies in the walls. Oh my God. And they think that they were put there by the local mafia chieftains. So this is where like they take people, kill them, put them in the wall of a building, build the building. It's not, the building's not going down for, you know, 150 years where they'll never find the bodies. There's a book. There's a book I read a long time ago. They talked about this. It's called, uh, Painted Walls. Yeah, I have it in my, I have it. Like Justin's book, Painted Toy. No, my buddy, so my buddy made me read it because his, it's like a distant relative of him is in the book. And he's like, you got to read this mafia book. It's really interesting. And my great uncle or something like that is tied or connected to all this. And they actually talked about it in it. I'll look, I'll look it up and I'll give it to Andrew. Uh, send it over so I can. Speaking of crazy books, you know, before we started the show, we were talking about the Federal Reserve and, uh, you know, money creation and all those other stuff. Have you ever read The Creature from Jekyll Island? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's what dude. Okay, so that's- And it's a true story. Yeah, that book is what got me all down my rabbit's hole of, of, you know, inconsistent things. Your rabbit's hole. Dang, that's not even worse. I know that Ron Paul, Ron Paul's book, uh- And the Fed. Yeah. And the Fed talks about it. So that's, I have read about it, but I haven't read that actual book, but he talks about it in that book. It's so, it's so weird to consider that the Federal Reserve is not a federal agency like Federal Express. It's a bank. Which are gangsters. It's a bank that we literally said- Banksters. Legally, you're the only bank that can make our currency. No other bank can compete with you. And you will make the currency, give it to the U.S. government, and we'll have to pay it back with interest. So the government, our government doesn't even make its own money. Yeah. We issued a bank to do that. They give us interest rate. We pay it back with interest, and no one else can. And if you read The Creature from Jekyll Island, it will blow you, the way that that all got put together made me so angry. So wild. Yeah, wasn't it like a gangster meeting behind closed doors? Bro. There's a handful of people that were making that decision. Oh yeah, dude. The politicians were graced, and this is how we do it. And you guys want to know the last, here we go, ready? You want to know the last president to talk about our U.S. government minting its own coins, not from the Federal Reserve. You want to know the last person to do that? Explain what that would mean, minting our own coins. That means the Federal Reserve doesn't make this. The U.S. government will make its own coins. So there is no interest on it. There is no whatever. It is not a note. It's our money. And it was going to be made with silver. It was a silver coin. And it was, there was the last U.S. president to talk about trying to do this. Let me guess, was he assassinated? It was JFK. Yeah. It was JFK before he got assassinated. There you go. We need the X-Files music, Andrew. Is that what they mean by NFTs that are minted then? You remember we were just talking about ELA. All minted just means it's made. Oh, that's all? Yeah. Oh, okay. I thought it was all on the same lines. No, no, no, no, no, no. All right, I got some more cool studies for you. You guys ready? Yeah, lay it on me. Magnesium III and VIII. So this is a form of magnesium that was created by scientists at MIT. It's the only form of magnesium that could cross the blood-brain barrier and has been shown to improve cognition, reduce inflammation, improve brain plasticity. So in other words, your ability to learn new tasks and new things. And it increases BDNF, brain-derived neurotropic factor. So it's just like interesting form of magnesium that's got all these cognitive-boosting, relaxing effects in the body. So a lot of these other magnesium products aren't as effective as passing through that membrane that separates the brain. So like a lot of magnesium supplements are like magnesium, I think, citrate or whatever. So you put in your water, it fizzes and you drink it and then you get the poops afterwards. Yeah, I was gonna say one of the biggest questions I get all the time if I'm talking about magnesium and supplementing with it is like, well, doesn't that make you shit right away? Yep, those forms well. Three and eight, not so much. So three and eight is what's in mellow, right? That makes me mellow. That's one of the main forms of magnesium. That's what you feel. So why is it, I doubt, Ned is the only people that know this. So why is it that most other magnesium products don't use this? Is it extremely cheap in comparison? It's more expensive. The three and eight, but not the regular magnesium. No, no, regular magnesium's cheap as hell. It's very inexpensive. And some people like the laxative effect. I mean, it's actually a quite safe laxative. I guess if that's what you need, right? Yeah, that would make sense. But it's not promoted that way most of the time, right? Is that how it works? No, but I mean, people, they promote it to calm you. Because magnesium deficiency is quite common, especially in stressed individuals or athletes. And if you're able to supplement with an absorbable form of magnesium, what you notice is you're just less anxiety, more calm, better recovery, better muscle contractions, like a lot of good effects, but it needs to be absorbed. Yeah, so in mellow, one of the forms of magnesium they put in there is the three and eight. But they also have, I think, GABA and maybe Doug, go to the ingredients if you're on there right now. I think this is one of those supplements or one of those ingredients you don't really consider that you're deficient in. Until you actually start taking it and you're like, oh my God, it actually makes a massive difference. It's also got theanine in there, which is the amino acid that I always talk about, where you actually feel chill when you take it. Doug, what's the R next to the magazine or whatever? What is that? Yeah, that's a registered trademark. That's the brand name of magnesium three and eight. So magnesium three and eight is a synthetic form and patented form of magnesium. It's a patented form of magnesium. So it's not one that you find in nature. It's a form of magnesium that they modified to cross and it readily crosses the blood brain barrier. So when you take it, you notice it. You actually feel it. You actually feel the chill, calm. Oh, interesting. Kind of cognitive boosting effects. Have you noticed you dream better? It's been one of the supplements that, and again, and here's the thing, it's like if you're somebody who tries it and you feel minimal effects with it, you're probably not deficient. I recognize that I'm obviously deficient because it was like that dramatic for me. I mean, I have set up, I don't know if you guys have ever seen in my room, but I have like, I keep two boxes that are always there. I have all these little mini water bottles. You took it with you when we went to Arizona. It makes that big of a difference on my sleep and I sleep so deep, so long. I fall asleep right away. Like it has made a huge difference. And I've tried magnesium before. Like I remember as an early trainer, it being touted as this great sleep supplement and taking it and being like, I don't really notice a difference or whatever. And so I never really bought into it and didn't buy it. I didn't mess with it. And the only reason why I did it is because obviously it's a company we work with. They say, here's our new product and we try everything. And I just, and I remember the first time I thought, oh, that's just gotta be, you know, that's be lucky, just random, or maybe I just got good night's sleep and second time, third time. And it's like consistently, it makes that big of a difference. Yeah, no, I'll take it before I watch a movie at night. I'll actually drink it first in about 30 minutes into the movie. I feel like I'm just like, because you guys know me, I'm, I don't know what's for lack of a better term, Twitchy, like, you know, when I sit or something. Yeah, fidgety. Fidgety, very fidgety. Wow, now supplements patented it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's a company called Megsuticals. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They patented it. Yeah, oh. Yeah, so it's a patented form of, so Magnesium 3.0. So they use it also. They're not, they're not. There's a lot of companies that have access to Magnesium 3.0. 3.0. Which is the Magnesium. Whoever created this is making royalties on all these people that are, wow. Correct, yes. But now what? Put it on that rabbit hole. Find out who that is. I want to know who that was. It's right there. Megsuticals. I want to know how much they're making. Okay, well. I'll find out for you. You found out who they are. Like, now tell me how much. If they have the patent on this and it's that amazing, and all these companies are now using it, I can't imagine how wealthy that is. Yeah, so, but remember, Melo has GABA and L-theanine in it as well. So it's got the combination. It's got other things in there that contribute to that kind of relaxing chill. Well, and I've always, I mean, ever since you've introduced me to theanine, I've already, I've loved theanine. So the combination of theanine then with the fact that I was probably deficient in Magnesium is probably what makes this perfect storm of an amazing system. Wow, that's not that much, Doug. But how old is that? Six million is the revenue? Yeah, it's not that much. Shocking. But hold on a second. I want, but not that even makes it big because that's not a lot of money to begin with for thinking. Hayward, California. But I wonder what the margins are on that because Magnesium's cheap and maybe making this version is really cheap. So maybe the margins are massive. Very possible. Yeah, but it was literally a group of scientists from MIT that put this together and created it. Oh really? Yeah, I don't know, when was it invented, Doug? Maybe we can find out. Well, right there's Hayward, right? Can you click on that and see when the patent was created? Okay, let me look here. Let's see, let's see. So we dug down the wrap. Anyway, while he's doing that, I'm gonna talk about another one of our partners. So Felix Ray keeps winning awards. I don't know if you guys saw this. For blue light blocking glasses? Yeah, so CNET did something. There was another, I read an article, and they're ranking like the best blue light blocking glasses. And every single, so far, every single ranking I've seen, Felix Ray is there. That's one of the best ones. I'm glad you brought them up because I want to make or let people know that they have a place on there where you can look at what type of face you have. Narrow, round, fat, little, yeah. And I know I talk about, yeah, it is important because we bought Felix Ray glasses, our Katrina did for our nephew, and he's got a Justin noggin. What I'm saying, he's got like a big head. By the way, if you look at Justin's hat right now. The cranium, if you look at his hat, you can see where he's got the snap on or whatever. There's hanging by a thread. Oh yeah. It's about to just bust right now. Yeah, if I put his hat on right now, you won't be able to see, it'll cover my head. I always have a line on my head. It would look like a bucket on me. So even though I got a fat face, I have a little head. Yeah. I have a little pinhead with a big fat face. It's like a pair face. So, and I tell people all the time, I tell people all the time that I love the Nash classes, but it's because I actually have a narrow face, so the Nash fits me really well. I messed up because I remember you talking about Nash and I bought some and it does not fit me. No, it is not for big heads. And my nephew has a big head like Justin. These are the big boys. These are the Jemisons. Yes, and that's what I told her we had to refund or change them out and get the other ones because those fit. It's just a medium. And those look like the big old glasses on my face. So yeah, but they have it on the side. So you can actually go and it'll say like, they have like a medium, medium wide, really wide, like what your shape of your face is. So you should look at that before, just because one of us says that we like a style, you got to kind of know if you have a smaller head, a bigger head, it makes a difference. You and I have a similar shaped head. You just have fatter face than I do. Yeah, and you have a beak nose. Yeah, just kind of different. Made for peck-peck-peck. I get it. Real fast, but very similar. Very similar. So I was watching Cobra Kai last night. Did you see my story? Yeah, I did. This dude is wearing the exact same shoes as Johnny Lawrence. Oh, not today though. Did you see his son was wearing that like Vans jacket that I have too? The green one? Yeah, the green one. I was like, oh, that's my jacket. So we're super cool. I guess his son's kind of cool. I don't know if Johnny Lawrence Who's your favorite character on the show that's fair, all right, didn't he drive an I rock it man Bro, I they I just got to the episode where they are training to fight each other. Have you seen that one yet? No, you got to watch it. It's a rock But my wife sits down and wants to watch something and then we can never pick what to watch never agreed so All right, okay. I know you guys both are kind of like that right where the wives don't like to see what what shows Do you your wife and you guys agree the only thing documentaries or documentaries and stand-up comedy? That's that's the go-to for the two of us. She's cool with like Fantasy and like stuff like that as long as there's like good-looking dudes. Oh, well, you know like the witcher like Come on. I know you're doing that's funny because that is the only thing that Katrina doesn't like that I would would watch I've been watching handsome guys, too Oh, I've been wanting to watch the witcher But if it's kind of fantasy sci-fi and the other was foundations the other one Oh, those are the only one sci-fi sci-fi and fantasy is the only thing that Katrina and I don't Other than that like I mean I could I watched the ESPN man and arena of binge that last night with Katrina And she loves that like I could watch sports Watch Dexter with me and all that kind of because it's she loves murder like that's right Into that stuff like yes, she's in but you guys doing a role play without her I haven't you know what I should just like surprise her Just come in with like an axe. So how do you guys do it? If there's a show like You know How do you watch something that you really want to watch if they're like not on the same page as far as you have like a special? Well, I mean technically I can watch right. Yeah, I control them out. You know, I mean, yeah Oh, is that right? I don't believe the only thing you can you control remote But you don't control the music you work out to I don't believe no I'm a merciful husband No, it's no all joking aside. It's so here's what's really funny. Jessica will be like, oh, I think there's a movie Maybe we'll both like she'll give me the name. Yeah, and I've already caught on. I'll be like is Ryan Reynolds in it Oh, yeah, but that's not what anyway, honey. I'm pretty sure that's what this movie Yeah, it goes both ways. That's why I want to watch Wonder Woman. Yeah, we can stop it See now you just ruin me who's that who has better taste out of the out of the two of you guys with your Wives, so it's a better taste to pick like if you guys if you since you guys have different tastes and one of you goes Hey, let's watch this the wife says I want to watch this movie or you say let's watch this Who's normally right in that situation? Oh, who's right? Yeah. Oh, that's me a hundred percent Really? Yeah, why don't you decide all of it? And then I have to like come up with something else if she doesn't like it So it's just like all the pressures on me all the time, you know, make me happy No, you know what Jessica'll do I'll put you go ahead you find something. Oh, yeah If I give her the remote fine you and then she doesn't want to do that We'll be certain what is that with like continue to do that to me last night like through the remote of me Yeah, so I was like Drive I'm like, I don't watch Cobra. I guess you're right It's the same thing as we're as I'll go through and we're we can't find something now It's 30 minutes of searching and then finally I'll be like, you know, what if we just watch this like this looks She'll be like fine. I'll just be on my phone. I'm like Okay But we do we do finds we often do find like good stand-up or good Documentary what documentary we watched one he doesn't like stand I love stand-up and she's just oh Really? She's just like over it. She has such a sense of humor. I would think that she would enjoy that she does but like I could watch all day like I just pick apart I just love I don't I love like people's different takes on things You know, I guess Katrina is not a big she'll watch it with me But she's she wouldn't go to a stand-up where I would walk you I like I love what I watch most of the stand-up That's on Netflix just at least give it the first 20 minutes to see if it's something I really like yeah And then I'll bail if I cannot remember the guy's name. I'm so upset now But I found a guy last night we were watching and his humor is so dark. I was I love it He like Netflix or something else. He was on that. Okay, so they're legionous skanks. Those guys are no So, okay, so there's this like series on Netflix where they're showing like multiple there's like four seasons and there's multiple Stand-up comedians so you can watch like 30 minutes of each one Yeah, and one of them on there this dude was so dark like he'll make jokes about some of the most taboo subjects Which I love I love that especially if you do a good job Yeah, because you you laugh because you're like I can't believe he just watched I know Mark Norman was on that He's really funny. Is that his name? I just found the guy No, it is that I think that is him. Yes. Yeah, he's great bro. Darn really funny. Oh, yeah Yeah, what was he what one was you on pull that up Doug mark Norman? I don't know Have you seen that Doug? I haven't you're normally on top of all those too Yeah, I like to watch stand up But most of the time I only get through about 10 minutes No, you and I are a lot of like with the comedians that we like we've taken recommendations from these guys before And I know you and I both of them. Yeah, I can I can you don't have a white through that's because I like I appreciate yes me too them writing their ways that I'm like, okay They're thought process into it, but sometimes they don't land, but it's like I try and still give a chance I really like the guy that Rogan recommended just recently that the black guy that was on that that one series that had like four comedians Rotating him out. He was good. He said I didn't even know Rogan recommend I found him and I just happened to be on Rogan's page Like I don't know a few days later and I saw that like a couple weeks prior He had talked about him being like this up-and-coming comic. Have you guys so I was on a podcast recently Can't remember the name of it, but it was it was hosted by a comedian This is the one I'm talking about right here the stand-ups. Yes, that's what I'm saying So this guy Mark Norman was on the way to see this the black guy I'm talking about Kate was on this one that Joe Rogan Yes, if you go to season four Doug, then we'll be able to see both because he was on the same season Oh, you're talking about I know exactly. I just don't remember his name Yeah, there's only three seasons or third season. It's the last season. He's kind of a heavy set dude Yeah, right bigger dude. Yeah, we'll find him. We'll find him as soon as Doug goes to the you know Yeah, I don't know if I want I don't think I watched the whole thing I caught him and I really liked him. I thought he was because I think the next one was a girl And I so I got interviewed his name again mark Norman mark Norman. Yeah, here he is. Yeah, so No, this is him. Oh, okay. This guy is I'm pretty sure this is him His humor is super dry dry and dark. Yeah, like he'll joke about shit that you're like really Did you just say that? Yeah, so I was I got interviewed. I remember the guy's name by a comedian and that's him right there and Oh, I haven't seen him. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's good And we were you know, we were talking and then I brought up the the topic of comedy and I said for a second there It seemed like comedians were afraid. Yeah, to say certain jokes Now it's like four years ago. Yes And I said and now it seems like the pendulum is swing the other direction and he goes you're totally right He goes Dave Chappelle came out. Yeah, and blasted it and now kind of gave everybody like the okay And now humor the comedians are going dark and touching everything again, which I'm happy I'm happy that that good if you don't like it turn it off, you know, I mean, but you should be able to say what it's just Yeah, like challenge challenge everybody's ideas like that needs to happen always and that's what I love about comedy It takes the air out of it, but it also challenges your idea. So you think about things a little bit differently Totally, I always enjoy when you talk like I didn't know that like the history of it Right going all the way back to gestures and what they were there for in the first place Yeah, I mean that's kind of what the role is right is to kind of make fun of the norm you well It's humor you're you Originally, it's yours be able to say things that you couldn't normally say because it's in the context of humor and When that stops that's they the what they used to say was that's when you know the king is Is gonna go to radical tyrannical is when he kills his gesture for making a bad joke or whatever Now you're afraid because now you can't even joke about what's comedy like in other countries Doug Do you know I don't know Standups originated here in in the US did it yeah And I think that I mean I think it's obviously it's spanned across the world now But like it wasn't a thing it was like more vaudeville and kind of like so I don't know if you guys knew What's it like all these countries like China like you never hear about like stand-up comedians that are that are big China Yeah, I wonder you're making me think like that. I wonder if they like hey China's the greatest, you know I think I think there are different senses of humor though Yeah, I remember going to movies in Japan and they're usually in English with Japanese subtitles Mm-hmm, and so I'd be laughing away at stuff and nobody be laughing in the theater except me You know I like I like I like That was me when I watched Borat with my brother and we were there and like They had this whole scene where they're naked and they're running, you know, and we're just dying and nobody was What kind of humor is that like a Borat Napoleon Dynamite? There's certain Zoolander. There's certain Shows that I didn't like the first time I watched it and then fell in love with it two three four times later Yeah, what is that? I don't know and what causes that if you guys have experienced that before We're gonna show you watch the first time movies. Yeah, like Napoleon Dynamite was totally like what the Remember watching Napoleon Dynamite's funnier the more you watch it. Yes the 10th time you watch it It's how I feel about that Movies are like that. Yeah, that's how Zoolander Zoolander is one of my favorite movies, and I hated it the first You know what? I pick Tropic Thunder although I laughed immediately Tropic Thunder my son, but it's funnier the more you watch it You know what's one of my favorite like when you talk to people and the sense of humor that people have The the the United Kingdom's cultural sense of humor. Yeah. Yeah is my favorite. Yeah. Yeah, they they're silly well, they're just fucking offensive and In like openly and it's funny and nobody they don't get offended so easily and it's great I love that's why we got to connect with James Smith shout out to him That's why I love his his fitness content that he puts out He's got a Monty Python Holy Grail still stands up kids think it's but now here's what's interesting A lot of people don't know this so obviously there's a lot the Western nations you would consider free So European countries, you know Australia US whatever but there are two unique freedoms that Americans have that are protected way more Than others one is the Second Amendment. We don't need to talk about that that one's kind of obvious second one's a speech No other country has protected speech like America like for example. Yeah, you think Canada was like that and it's not even no No, no, no, no like in like in Germany. There's laws against things You can say against Jews or things you could say that are pro-Nazi or whatever, right? And I know there was a comedian in the UK who got fined because he made his dog do the Hail Hitler Which is so ridiculous you're gonna get fine for that. It's stupid, but why are you but my point is in America? That's one protection that we have that is really unique like speech is protected here Pretty much across the board unless you're inciting violence and they have to make a case for that Yeah, just kind of interesting so it makes sense. The woke culture is trying to fight against They're trying hard, but it is such a and you know what's what I love about it Is that it's it's explicitly protected in our Constitution? But it's also the one freedom that Americans have always generally supported Americans have always generally supported The other ones give been in flux But speech for the most part Americans like free speech and free markets is one of the main reasons Why most people want to migrate here those two things I would think are one of the two of the biggest Prosperity draws here is that you have speeches markets are so free and compared to a lot of places Free speech but speech popular speech doesn't need to be protected the protecting speech literaries protect Unpopular speech which includes shitty speech. Yeah, but also includes speech that might be unpopular today Also, you know ridicule shitty speech, right? So that's that's the whole thing is it should be able to be there But you can stuff it by you know mocking it at the same time. Yeah mocking or debating it. Yeah Hey, check this out. Do you like soda? Of course you do. They're delicious. 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Great It's one of the I'd say one of the only one of the few programs that will produce Gains and a lot of people and strength in muscle size. It's a they focus. Oh, it's almost entirely focused on compound Effective lifts. It's a lower volume Somewhat program you're training the body a few days a week. You're focusing on squats and deadlifts and bench presses I mean, it's not super simplistic. It's not that much different than anabolic I mean it is and the anabolic includes more accessory work. Yeah, we phase the reps. Yeah It's it's even more simple than anabolic, but very Okay, you can see that things than anabolic to give you the greatest beg for your buck are in Riptoe starting. Yes. In fact when I wrote anabolic Starting strength was definitely one of the influences. It was one of the programs that actually works It actually does work, you know, you have like five by five and starting strength And then there's principles and bodybuilding that tend to work and you know all that kind of was compiled to make maps anabolic but you know starting strength especially if you're Getting into resistance training now. You're not a complete beginner But you're kind of getting into it or you want to do something that really just focus on building strength and muscle In a consistent, you know fashion. It's a great program. It's free go online. You can get it now The I guess there's some downsides right the downsides are that it's it's a bit one-dimensional So you can develop some imbalances. There's no rotation typically involved. It's pretty much in the sagittal plane Is that all there is to like so I I know that much about starting strength to know that it's similar to anabolic I've seen kind of the phasing in the exercises. Does he not have progressions and What he recommends is programs to follow up or is it like this is the program they do but it's really I mean He really hammers like squat deadlift press row and I understand why right for most people That's excellent advice. Well, it's also why almost every one of our programs has those components That's why it's called starting strength I mean it's the foundational like meat and potatoes that you need to focus on and I think that's why you know I think it's super effective. Yeah, now he can be Himself he can be a little abrasive because he's real hardcore about it. I like him. Yeah I do I like people those I tell you what those old strength coaches are great Like you get someone who's been training people for strength for no bullshit type of guy You're gonna you're gonna hear like who's the guy haven't we hooked up with riptoe? Did our buddy Mike Matthews did my Why haven't we linked with him? Have we not reached out? I haven't reached out personally should he's pretty controversial all the way across That's why he'd be fun to talk to you know what I love to talk to him about because I know he shits all over the trap bar Yes, so he'd be a fun person to kind of he's controversial about everything. I know you talked about anything. Yeah, he's like He's very opinion. Well, I so it's a good time I so what made me really go down the rabbit hole so I kind of knew his stuff before but when we had Jordan shallow on the YouTube channel shallow through a shot across the bow at his squat cues. Oh, right, and and he's got a very Strong following and loyal following of people and like we got a bunch of hate From that, you know why he's got a strong following because a lot of it works a lot of kids went and found starting strength it became really popular early 2000s when you know, you know people were finding it on the internet and Up into that point you had all these kids doing body part splits and these crazy routines and then they're like, oh, I'm doing three Exercises today. This is gonna be crazy. I don't know if it's gonna work And then you got all these reports and like, oh my god I've never been so strong and building on this muscle and so they've got hardcore followers because that's a good point Because the 90s really was the birth of the bodybuilder split kind of are like the really the explosion of that The 90s was was what got everybody doing these body part splits and intensity training and all this accessory work Yeah, and so what a brilliant thing starting strength comes out with something. That's totally counterintuitive to what was popular at that time It's probably what made it blow up. Yeah and in people again We're just so excited about this actually works and it's so simple and I can't believe it and but again I'd say that the the weaknesses lie in the fact that you can develop some imbalances. You're not working in a lot of different planes It doesn't have it there's you know one principle in starting strength is definitely a true one Which is there are certain lifts you should practice often get good at them and they should always pretty much be in your routine But that doesn't mean there isn't any value to lots of other movements to train the body in different Ways to avoid injury to develop and to develop balance and you need to do that kind of stuff Well, this is why maps performance follows exactly this I mean that was the thought process when we wrote performance and we wrote our programs, right? It wasn't like oh, what's gonna sell the most? It was like, okay. We were trained someone. Yeah We were training somebody we just took them through maps anabolic. What are they lacking? So even though we believe that that's one of the best programs It is our most sold program and probably the most valuable for the average person to start there We know that once they're there and they've been following that we wouldn't want them to stay there forever We'd have to move them into something else. What would that look like? It would look like maps And one thing with the the main things that people will say about starting strength is that especially their squat We'll go through the roof So there's a lot of jokes about starting strength people that they got like big butts and quads and everything else Which is pretty cool, but it's again. It's a it's a solid routine I mean, I'll call it out if I need to and I'll be honest and say something's great if it is We have no affiliation. We don't make any money off the program with like that. It's a solid routine It's based in solid principles and for a lot of people It definitely will work and make you stronger. It is not the be all end all unfortunately Especially if you have a long-term approach to your fitness nor is any one of our programs, correct I we stand by that too. I would never tell anybody that oh maps at a ball is the end all be all programs with it forever No, no, you need to do different things to really maintain your body and to make sure you're not You know developing particular imbalances or you know aches and pains and injuries and just develop a kind of a whole You know balanced physique type of doing your body you're strong in multiple directions Your daily movements you don't always move in the sagittal plane So your workout should mimic what real life should kind of look like and that's where some of those programs The cool thing about Riptoe is he says stuff like strength is the foundational physical pursuit very true Yeah, how strength is so important for pretty much any physical pursuit very true You're weak your stamina means nothing if you're weak your flexibility means nothing in fact It's becomes a liability. So he he hits and he's got a he has had a tremendous Impact in the world of resistance training and I would put him up there not as the guy that knows everything I don't think anybody knows everything But I would put him up there as one of the you know the godfathers of resistance I mean if we were building that's a we should do that sometime like the rush more of fitness Yeah, that'd be kind of a cool episode to talk about who's the founder Who is the founder? What was that powerlifting club that was breaking record? I can't believe it? I forgot West Side Barbell. Yeah, who's the founder of that? I can't think of his name right now I can picture him. You know, I can put his shirt off and his tattoos. He's another old dog Freaking great, right? They think of his name. They contributed. He's contributed so much to strength How are all three of us drawing a blank on them? He's so embarrassing. It's like not remembering Arnold's name Yeah, these are all people that had tremendous influence right that down there. Let's do an episode on that Let's build let's build who we think are like it's like the Mount Rushmore of strength Yeah, yeah, we're just fitness in general We could who I think are some of the the pioneers in our space like have really laid the foundation Thomas I mean, I wouldn't even argue Paul check goes in there, dude I would I think some because especially when you talk about unconventional type stuff like I definitely think that he belongs up there Next question is from flunky calm. What's the best way to grow the hamstrings? You know, it's funny about the hamstrings. It's it's in men It's one of the body parts that guys think are not that big of a deal They don't like to place a lot of focus. I'm gonna tell you something right now If you want first off women don't like men with underdeveloped legs It's a joke, but it's true. You want to have balance in your body just from an aesthetic perspective forget performance Obviously important for performance, but if you want your legs to look incredible have developed hamstrings I think I think it's so weird to not think that it's it would be like because no one would ever say Hey, I want great arms, but skip triceps. Yeah, we're not have good just do biceps, but skip triceps I mean, they would just think that's absurd. It's the same concept. Like if you want to develop Yeah, some great legs off. Yeah, I actually think it's it's more so that it's one of the more difficult Muscles to find a lot of different exercises for and people again think that you need all this variety and changing up different Yeah, you know machines and exercises to do it. And so well most people think the leg curl is the best well Yeah, it's the it's the easiest most basic thing you do it And then a lot of people don't deadlift a lot of people don't do good mornings You know which are great movements and are great for the hamstrings, but a lot of people don't do them So between that and then the hamstring machine being kind of and don't bear the donkey kickback or whatever like Yeah, the two main machines that you see in gyms. I think that has a lot to do No hands down Romanian deadlifts was in my experience is the best overall Hamstring developer it just it works the whole hamstring you can load it significantly you can get really strong Romanian involves a knee bend that's fixed so stiff legged would be a knee doesn't come forward It just it's yeah, you bend the knees, but then it's fixed right So that takes some pressure off the lower back and allows you to really load the hamstrings And if you're good at it, you've got good technique and good stability I mean, I've I've I've done Romanian deadlifts with for an over 400 pounds And really I can feel and see the development my hamstrings The hamstrings are super important for deadlifts for any version of deadlifts for squats And then if you're an athlete, oh my god It's crucial you have if you have weak hamstrings the hamstring tears are common because of you know hamstrings About how you decelerate over overpowered quads, too That's why you see that in baseball players running the first base like one of the most common injuries because they're they're so Strong on the on the anterior on the front side on your quads they overpower So they're so fast the hamstring can't keep up with the quad powering them forward and that's what goes so common And that's why receivers Outfielders you see that all the time and it's because we put so much focus on the front on the quads And they overpower and then the post your chain is is essential for keeping you healthy in Injury free, you know, and I think that the answer to this is just Never should your workout not include, you know, either stiff legged Romanian conventional deadlifts Or good mornings should be in there And do not put a lot of energy and emphasis on all the machine hamstrings the seated hamstring curls the line Not that they don't have value. No, they're great. Yeah, if you did the other stuff That's right. It's a great way to compliment all those But you know and I'm guilty of this as a young kid lifting that, you know My hamstring work was just the two or three hamstring machines because I never dead lifted or did any of those hard exercises But boy, nothing developed my hamstring, you know what else brought my hamstrings up Actually that was later was when I started a deep squatting. Oh, yeah, I actually was really there's actually decent activation at a deep Squat, yeah, I it was something I wasn't looking to get or from that And it was like a side effect that when I started Squatting where when I worked on my depth and got to a place where I could get really deep squats I actually would get sore hamstrings a lot. I thought oh, that's really weird I've never had that from squatting always my quads and glutes But never do I feel my hamstrings But once I got into a really deep squat my hamstrings got a lot of work here's one of the best two exercise Combinations have ever done for hamstrings for any client and myself and it produces tremendous gains Romanian deadlifts and then physio ball leg curls Physio ball leg curls first off. Here's why I like them better than machine curls now It's true. You can't load them the same and all that stuff. I get that but here's the difference You activate your hips at the same time Yes, because if you're in it first off if you do a machine leg curl Especially the one where you lay on your stomach if you really want to feel in the hamstrings What you need to do is pull your pull your thighs off the off the pad So what you're doing is you're activating the glutes and then doing the hamstring curl And you'll feel the hamstrings versus what people tend to do which is they stick their butt up And hit their hip flexors while they where they curl with the hamstring try it the other way and see what happens When you do a physio leg physio ball leg curl promotes that you have to yeah You have to shoot the hips up and get that squeeze all the way through do that after Romanian Deadlifts and watch what happens if you think it's too easy. You progress it to a single leg and you'll just Oh forget it who can do that hard Next question is from Nate Brown fit. How do I increase grip strength so I can deadlift more? You know I we get a lot of Remarkably and maybe I guess it's not surprising anymore because it's been happening so so often but we get a lot of questions on grip strength I didn't see that coming when we start this business. I'll never forget when you made that Yeah, I made that video on YouTube. We were giving them grief. I thought it was stupid I'm not gonna lie. I really thought who is gonna be searching for forearm and your grip strength shit Can we please preface this? YouTube You know this clickbait YouTube that we're doing right now Before that we all agree that nothing is going to develop forearms better than just lifting some heavy-ass weight Yeah, I guess maybe just the type of clientele I had or I don't remember a lot of clients ask me that but maybe this is and Maybe that's because we we tend to attract people that are already into fitness and working out that this is something that someone's been training For a while and they find that this is a lagging well, there's two things two reasons I would these are my two guesses one is especially if you're doing heavy pulling and deadlifting and You're you don't work in construction and you're not you're just normal person Which these days that means you do nothing that's physical really in your everyday life Then you go start working out and you have the weakest grip and that becomes the weakest link So then you're like oh my god, what can I do to strengthen my grip? The other reason I think is because for the most part if you're a man The muscle that might show is your forearms and hands and you ask any woman and she'll say she checks out a man's hands and forearms and Can tell if he's fit or strong from that so it's something that's also Attractive but anyway what I wanted to talk about were exercises because a lot of people don't know grip as training exercises They're not very common. I mean we all know hold on to a bar as long as you can Okay, that's great. That's one way to do it farmer walks Okay, that's another way to do it but really what you want to do because when you're holding something for time It's an isometric exercise and the best way to train isometrics is to train them in different ranges of motion Okay, so to give a different example if I trained isometrics in squats I wouldn't just hold the squad at the bottom that would be one way to do it But then I would do one where I'm a little higher and one where I'm a little higher and maybe one where I'm real low So I'm kind of doing an isometric an isometric in different ranges of motion You could do this with your grip as well So you have the bar circumference you can use that and then what you could do is you could use a plate Where you pinch it with your fingers like this or you pinch it with your fingers like this or you take a thick towel You wrap it around the bar So now you have to take a really wide grip or you wrap a towel around a pull-up bar and see if you can hang With your grip like this So essentially the key is to train your grip in different ranges of motion from wide to narrow to pinch grip to where maybe even where you're holding just with two fingers and I borrowed a lot of this from the what I consider to be the people with the most I guess well-developed and Balanced grips in the world which are rock climbers if you rock climbers have Maybe not necessarily the strongest grips But they have the most balanced strength in their grips where they can if you watch a really good rock climber They can they can do the craziest Positions with their hands with their hands way out here or just one finger gripping or real narrow or inside cracks And their hands are so versatile and if you look at the way they train their hands It's through all these different positions and ranges of motion That that they use so that's what I would that's those are the ways I would say train your grip best I did want to bring this up and this is something that I've kind of been holding on to You know Jim Smith Smitty from oh, yeah from DeFranco and Cpps You know went out of his way and wrote us a really amazing grip strengthening and grip testing manual and Actually in it he goes into like thrill detail And so there's like a couple different categories that he classifies some of these different exercises and techniques and one of them is crush pinch support Levering and then he gets into hand health. Yeah, so, you know, there's great And so it goes into all those different techniques, you know when to apply them and then you know how to kind of test out And also the the cool heart rate variability aspect of testing your grip Before you get into working out this to test your stress levels as well So that's going to be included in the next program that we released. Is that the plan with this? Yeah, I mean that's what we're gonna work out is is definitely we're gonna be releasing this attached With a product that we're gonna put up. Yeah, now is now we talked about grip But when you talk about grip, you can't leave out the forearm so the forearm Yes, it has the muscles that close and open the hand But it also has the muscles that flex and extend the wrist and also go laterally So this is all the levering. Yeah, so if you strengthen the grip, that's great but also don't ignore exercises that curl the forearm or extend the form and also Exercises where you're working this kind of laterally with the forearms all of that contributes to a really well-developed strong grip I also don't want us to miss the simple answer too, which is simply just deadlifting more will help this like I I've done a lot of the almost everything we just have talked about and have seen definitely gains in my grip strength from all The things we're talking about But one of the the greatest differences I ever saw was when I when I was chasing after Sal with a deadlift I had never Deadlifted at that high of a frequency and volume. It'll build your grip That's for sure and I just did the forearms came up because I was always practicing the deadlift Right I was and I'm part of practicing the deadlift all time included like the axle bar every once in a while Included heavy singles and doubles Included higher reps sometimes and just because I was Constantly gripping that bar and deadlifting with that bar all the time my forearms got a lot stronger Especially for that specific exercise because there's a difference in saying like just getting overall forearm or grip strength that is applied to all These different things But if it's specifically because I'm having a hard time holding on to the bar for deadlifting You know one of the most simple things you could do is to just deadlift totally and the other thing too with the forearms And this is just my own anecdote or experience is they respond really well to frequency So often like lots of frequent training not at super high intensity So and scale yourself. So don't just jump into this because you will get soreness in your elbows You'll get tennis elbow or what's the other one called golfers elbow or whatever So but you can get those hand grippers are really cheap and just kind of play with them throughout the day Try not to overdo it but frequency, you know as you build up to it, man Like like, you know, I've used I've talked about my dad before he's worked since he was a kid with his hands And his hands are so they're they're freakishly strong and hard I'll never forget once he was we were at jiu-jitsu and he's a 50 something year old man And he's going against this big Canadian pro football player and they were going and my dad's got a judo background so and I remember they broke grips and Might if this was the whole class burst out laughing couldn't believe what happened My dad's 180 pounds at the time that this guy's like 320 pound dude big dude He reached out to grab my dad's gi and my dad literally grabbed his hand and crushed it and the guy tapped out And he was like what the hell did you just do to me? And we were dying of laughter that this old man Crushed his head to make him make him tap out. That's right. And it's so if the frequency, right? That's what it came from him working with his hands for his whole life Developed just that that iron grip Next question is from health reimagined 3000 if you're going to include running in your regimen, is it better to run before or after? Lifting whichever one you want to be good at that's it. Yeah, that's about my you know that principle applies to lift you Yeah, what exercise you want to get strongest that what body part you want to develop the most What skill you want to do develop the most, you know If your goal is endurance and stamina in running you should run before you lift if your goal is building muscle and strength Then you should do that before you run and there's studies on this that show that someone's gonna be asking Well, what if I want to do both? Well, it's the one you care about most Or maybe alternate. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's that's fair. You know I'm saying but but I think that everybody there's always something That's a little more important, right? Like I'm a more focused on building my body than I am being really good at running But I really I want to run really good, too So then that's gonna go after I work out or you're like I run That's what I'm more into but I also want to be strong and lift. Well, then you do that first Yeah, it's and it's true again. This is true for all programming So if someone's like, oh man, you know when I work I work out my legs and my lower body But my my butt doesn't grow or my hamstrings don't grow if you train those first and then go into the rest of your workout You'll notice better gains in that, right? It's true for for the whole body. That's that what is that? There's a term for it where your body adapts most to the thing you do I guess earlier in the workout and it's definitely true for running now I do want to say that that lifting and running can Compete with each other with the signals that they send so that means that if you do both a lot You'll get some of both but not a lot of either So and that's okay for a lot of people. They want to be well balanced. They want to have stamina and endurance They also want to have strength and muscle Then you do them both if your goal is more towards the muscle and strengthly you're gonna do more of that and less of the running And vice versa and there are studies that that support, you know, kind of what we're talking about now Some people may say we're splitting hairs I'd say probably but if you do this all the time, you know Splitting hair starts to turn into a bigger impact, right? So if you do it once or twice or whatever not that big of a deal But if this is how you always train then the order of operation starts to make a bigger difference I would also say there's a there's a little bit of Individual variance here too like sometimes some people like They swear by like running a mile before they start their workout It just energizes them and gets them ramped up. I guess it's easy for you, right? And so some people will swear by it kind of priming them for getting ready to do a lift and they find more energy Other people will be like man every time I run before I work out. I just my lift suffer It's not as strong or what that which is I think most people are like that But there are exceptions to the rule and so some of this is a little bit on your individual preference Do you do you feel better? You know, do you do you when you lift first? Does it does it really hinder your running to where you don't enjoy your run at all? So you have to run first or vice versa like I mean a little bit that has to come into play I like challenging anybody in terms of even if like running is your priority to focus specifically on strength for a phase Just like if if you're just all focused on strength You focus exclusively on conditioning and endurance and running, you know, specifically as you know A period of time where you can devote getting better at the mechanics the technique And really just like honing in on that to bring that skill set Back into the overall, but you know your body really does like respond specifically to things if you can You know stay within one type of adaptation I used to do it before and after but it was because I had didn't have a driver's license when I was a kid I met one of the first gyms. I joined was the YMCA. Yeah, and I didn't run to it I walked and ran everywhere. I don't yeah, but I rode my bike So I'd be a 30 minute bike ride before and after my workout And so that's how I used to train when I was when I was a kid Look, if you like our information, you'll love mine pump free.com There's a lot of guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal and they're all free So again, it's mine pump free.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram So Justin is at mine pump Justin. I'm at mine pump Sal and Adam is at mine pump Adam