 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners. Thanks to all of you including this music teacher James C Smith and Miranda Janell Coming up on DTNS. We sum up the benchmarks for the RTX 4090 summary of the sum up. They're good Roku's getting into the smart home business and Microsoft put dolly 2 into a design app and into Bing and the edge browser Where will this This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday October 12th 2022 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt in Salt Lake City I'm Scott Johnson. I'm the producer Roger and happy birthday Sarah Lane She will return to the show after a well-deserved break tomorrow But she's taken her last day off for a birthday. So happy birthday Sarah Meanwhile, we will celebrate her birthday with a few tech things. You should know Apple and Microsoft support past keys already And now Google has announced support for past keys is launched on Android and the Chrome browser So that magical world of past key interaction We described earlier this year is now available if you want to get into the beta Google backs up past keys to the Google password manager in case of device lockouts That's something you should be aware of if you choose to live in that universe with past key when you log in on a phone It tells you hey, I'm gonna use past key on this site Is that cool? And then if it's cool you The confirm with however you lock your device so fingerprint face ID passcode whatever To log in on a desktop you can scan a QR code to your device and then proceed with the fingerprint face scan Etc. If you want to start using past keys on Android and Chrome right now You need to either be in the Google play services beta if you want to use it on Android and or Chrome canary If you want to use it on Chrome a stable launch is expected by the end of the year though So if you don't want to get on the beta it shouldn't have to wait long If you get in on those betas though You as an Android user could use past key to sign in on Safari on a Mac Or you as a canary Chrome user on Windows could use past keys that are stored on your iOS phone It's a wonderful world. Are we actually talking about a potential present and future where all of these Password managers talk to each other and it's no longer a bunch of gardens Just need the apps in the websites to join now. That's it. I'm all into this that sounds great Well, let's talk about a couple of those companies further Apple Google and Samsung have announced software updates coming soon to enable 5g support in handsets in India Phone sold in India have gotten 5g capable hardware before but there hasn't been 5g service until recently India's two largest carriers Reliance Geo and Artel have launched 5g service in a few cities over the last couple of weeks Apples of Apple's updates will come in December Samsung and Google did not provide specific time frames But probably by December Netflix has joined Barb not from stranger things Not Scott's old high school newspaper, but a non-profit organization that measures TV ratings in the UK First time Netflix has officially joined a ratings organization Barb will begin including Netflix in its published ratings starting the second week of November But it's got some things to say about what it's counted already Barb says Netflix is the most accessed streaming service in the UK right now And even though it lags behind broadcasters like the BBC it accounts for 8% of all UK TV views Nielsen offers Netflix ratings in the US if you're like wait, I thought Netflix did get rated elsewhere Netflix doesn't cooperate with Nielsen and even sometimes disputes their accuracy, but joining Barb means they Probably won't dispute their accuracy at least not publicly. I Was the paper cartoonist by the way for the bar. Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah weird weird kid The memory chip maker SK Hynex confirmed it received a one-year temporary exemption from new US rules Restricting chip making equipment from being sent to China the exemption will let SK Hynex supply its own China based facilities without additional licensing requirements from the US Commerce Department and Expect a bus of Huawei people to be hanging around outside the SK Hynex plant You might have I just take a look around Apple analyst Ming Chi Quo predicts that Apple could supply the US market with devices Entirely supplied outside of China within the next three to five years The move would represent up to 30% of its global shipments This is a great piece of perspective setting from Ming Chi Quo if you're thinking like why doesn't everybody just stop making things in China? Apple could do it 30% in three to five years supply chains. They're complicated They're hard to move around Quo does expect MacBook production could move to Thailand and that India's Tata group could work with either Pegatron or Wastron or maybe both to expand Indian iPhone production to be enough that they could export iPhones right now The goal is to make iPhones for domestic use in India But India could become an exporter of iPhones within the next three to five years and they'll have the 5g to match All right. Yeah, and it'll be turned on by them. All right. Let's talk a little more We were gonna have if you if you were paying attention you might have noticed that we mentioned Will Smith Would be coming on the show today to talk about the RTX 4090. He was unable to join us We're gonna reschedule that But RTX 4090 still getting a lot of buzz. It's the latest flagship We mentioned briefly some of the the benchmarks and early Reviews out there, but Roger Chang has been digging into those benchmarks and reviews to give us a little more detail today So Roger Tell us the what it is what it does and is is it worth it? What do you what do you found? so Quick review the 49 RTX 4090 is NVIDIA's flagship GPU based on the new Ada Lovelace micro architecture It is a monster both physically as well as performance wise and all the reviews So far have said that the car does live up to the expectations that people put on it It has both with DLS as Turned on which is the upscaling technology NVIDIA Uses to get higher image quality out of lower resolution. So you keep your high frame rates whatever game that you play Onwards you're seeing anywhere from 60 to 90 percent increase depending on the game nice increase And and that's with ray tracing turned on it gets even crazier if you use our DLSS Compared to the previous 3090 TI as well as the 3080 chips And it is a screamer it is so the guys over at IG and Chris Coke and Beaumont managed to get cyberpunk 27 2077 which is one of the one of the games that allows you to crank everything to 100 to really kind of Buff test your machine They got 120 frames per second at 4k resolution with all the eye candy turned on Ray tracing turned on with DLSS enabled So that gives you an idea of how incredibly powerful This card is it is it is It is rendering things so fast and So much that in many cases you're limited by your CPU in other words your CPU is bottlenecking the system because it can't Give the GPU enough information to chew and so and in one retrospect If you don't have an up-to-spec PC if you don't have the high-end CPU Lace-Gen motherboard you might be doing yourself a disservice even if you want this card because You're the rest of your system can't keep up. Yeah, you don't put a Porsche engine in a nova people. Yeah This hasn't been a problem for a while. So hearing this in these reviews is interesting because prior to this it was like CPUs are ahead of the game. You kind of don't need to swap into that out You can live with this core machine for a long time. Just keep swapping GPUs That may not be true for much longer. I mean this thing Yeah, I mean there is a there is a limit to your CPU not being able to support this because you first of all Have to have a big enough machine with three slots and to handle this monster and you have to have an 850 watt power supply So likely you're gonna have a better CPU if you've got those two things to begin with or you're building a whole new machine from scratch, right? Yeah, I mean, you know and three slots just so you know it physically needs the three slots plates on the back of your PC But the fan juts out half a slot in over to the right. So technically it's three and a half So it's a very big card and the 850 850 is the minimum minimum PSU that they recommend because it does have a max draw of 450 watts, which is a lot now Everybody is complaining about this price because it's a thousand six hundred dollars From what you can tell If you can afford it, which is a big if I get it But if you could afford it, is it worth a thousand six hundred dollars? So this is the thing from all respects Yes, if you have a machine that can feed this beast the information it needs And you want to do the 4k gaming with all the eye candy and let's say you got a side business of doing twitch streaming or adobe after effects, it's it's actually not that bad the original 3090 released at fifteen hundred bucks when it came out three years ago and the 3090 ti Initially shipped at two thousand right so for sixteen hundred dollars It's not a bad price for what you in other words for what you're paying you you are you are getting what you pay for If you know whether you're not you're saying if you have the means you highly recommend Yeah, if you have the means you can get it And I mean I mean the thing about these these video card upgrades. There's gonna be a big Middle pack of players or gamers or even creators who this is going to be overkill for for what you're doing If you're already enjoying, you know cyberpunk 2077 at 1440p And you're doing so at 120 frames per second And you've just had to turn off a few things here and there to make that work You're probably not gonna be able to plug this in and go wow I'm so glad mm-hmm. I spent fifteen hundred dollars on this very minimal change totally You'll know who you are if you're getting this and you know I'm glad you brought that up if you're a person that's still on 1440p or 1080p gaming You don't have a 4k, you know high frequency, you know 120 plus refresh rate gaming monitor It's really not it's it's really not a jump. It's not worth the extra cost. Yeah It's not it's not worth the extra cost because you're not benefiting From this card's power and your card already if your card can already do those do that gave me at 60 frames plus I'm you're not gonna see a huge you're not gonna see a benefit just plunking down 1600 this is not everyone should scrape together 1600 bucks go drive an uber and buy one right now This is if you have this set of requirements and this set of existing specs Then and you have 1600 dollars. It's worth it. That's what it sounds. Yeah And I will add this as of right now best buy which is the partner for NVIDIA for the founders decision for this card is sold out Yeah, that's the thing they're gonna be a little hard to get at first Maybe not as bad as the long hauled supply chain issues We saw a couple years ago, but it'll be you know if you didn't already get yours on order You're probably this is because of demand though Yeah, actual demand just regular demand. I know that crazy All right, let's see if we got a demand for some new smart home things Why not the month that everybody announces all their new stuff Roku also announced some things eight new smart home devices that you can control from the Roku OS the device includes smart bulbs with white and color versions So that's cool for those looking for that light strips indoor and outdoor smart plugs a video doorbell a floodlight camera Indoor and outdoor cameras as well and an indoor camera that can pan and tilt Should think I want one of these you can also control them with Roku smart home app on your Android or iOS phone And by voice on the Roku remote So you just do that in the house Roku partner with ways wise rather to make this line So if they look familiar, that's probably why I want them to partner with ways so they could also do Anyway Roku integration adds some interesting features if you use a Roku powered TV device So for instance the video doorbell can send a picture-in-picture view to a television and alert you when it sees packages or pets Or what have you? They are not locked down to just Roku by the way The devices are also compatible with Google Assistant Amazon compatibility is coming in early November It also makes sense because they're partnering with wise and they already do all that too Do they support matter? No, sorry to tell you Roku is a member of the matter working group But the devices are not yet certified as matter compliant that could change The devices range from $14 to $100 and Roku says there will be a cloud subscription service for Sorting or excuse me storing cameras and their image or images from the cameras rather There's no price for what that service is going to be at I'm guessing it'll be in line with what others are you can order Online or wait for them to show up at Walmart on October 17th. Yeah, so I this this is interesting if you're in the smart home Marketplace although you can get all of these things from other manufacturers including wise who's making these for Roku But I think it's interesting that Roku is seeing this as its next step So the way I think of it is Roku made devices and made money off devices until they started to max out the amount of money They could make off devices then they started selling services and advertising Until the advertising market started to get a little thin out there And I don't think they've maxed out services and advertising But as that money becomes a little harder to increase they're moving into smart home Which makes sense if you if you've got the biggest screen in the house I think it makes sense to be the one to say hey, we'll put some camera stuff up there for you They're not the only one that could do this But they are the ones who own the whole system in this case right with the Roku OS on your TV as well as the Roku camera, so there's there's a compelling thing for some people like oh, I have a Roku TV I'll get that Roku camera because at least I know it'll work now granted if they were matter compliant Then they should work with everything too, but you know the way where our minds work We'll see Roku and Roku and go for that. They'll probably sell a few of these things Yeah, and I I don't know about you, but I see Roku staying in the pack despite inroads made by big companies with big names and Staying in there as as a device you can get for your television a TV integrated with their services This stuff coming down the road. I don't know why I just like seeing the little guy who was there early Stay in it and not get pushed out by Apple and Google and Amazon and everybody else So the little guy who's there like Google the little search engine that took down out of Vista. That's right. Yeah That little upstart computer maker that yeah those little guys who just Microsoft, you know Desk view was a much better operating system, but that little Microsoft that they were all Sure, but I think I think Roku, you know look just their name you recognize and they've earned it and I hope they do well I'm rooting for them personally. Yeah Beatmaster assay very important question Roku doesn't have a particularly good or bad security history They really don't have one and wise has a bad one So hopefully Roku can improve on that, but that's a question and W. Scott is one had a really interesting thought in the chat About like Airbnb owners who have Roku TVs maybe wanting to buy the cameras and stuff For people who stay in their Airbnb's If you have thoughts like this or anything about the show send us an email our email address is feedback at daily tech news show Microsoft announced a bunch of new hardware at Ignite. They also announced software and services So let's run through them. Let's start with the hardware Scott Right, that sounds good. The Surface laptop 5 now runs on Intel's 12th gen i5 and i7 processors No more option for AMD. Sorry guys, but you also get Thunderbolt 4 and Wi-Fi 6 The display has a Dolby vision IQ support, but overall it's pretty similar to the latest version or the last version before this one You can pre-order now It's available in 13.5 inches starting at $1,000 US and 15 inches starting at $1,200 US Shipping begins October 25th Yeah, so that's a very minor update surface pro 9 and 9 with 5g Are going to replace the surface pro and surface pro X lines respectively the surface pro 9 is replacing the surface pro and gets the Intel 12th gen Processors and the 9 with 5g replaces the X line and gets Microsoft's sq 3 arm chip No, you can't get 5g on the surface pro 9 with Intel only on the one with the arm processor That arm chip is qualcomm snapdragon 8cx gen 3 but customized by Microsoft to work well with windows and by all accounts it works really well Both surface pro 9s have 13 inch 2880 by 1920 displays up to 120 Hertz refresh rate The Intel models also add Dolby vision IQ support. They both weigh around 880 grams or so A neural processing unit is coming to the 5g model that can do things like adjust your eye contact automatically frame shots blur backgrounds remove background audio for Microsoft teams but also for zoom and other things because it's happening on the chip surface pro 9 starts at $1,000 And the pro 9 with 5g starts at $1,300 you can pre-order those now also shipping October 25th Wow, big day for all these now if you're an artist out there and you're like man, I sure wish the studio Was a cooler device the surface studio good news. Maybe Microsoft announced the studio 2 plus this has a 28 inch 4500 by 3000 touchscreen display This runs on Intel's 11th gen i7 CPU and Nvidia's RTX 3060 GPU, which is a great card I know we've been you know a little overshadowed by new GPUs But this is a very fast car with a terabyte of storage It adds Dolby vision auto color management wi-fi 6 and bluetooth 5.1 along with Dolby Atmos speakers It's got three usb c thunderbolt 4 ports and can support up to three 4k 60 Hertz External displays you can pre-order this now this ships October 25th as well for 4,299 or 4,499 with the stylus keyboard And mouse included they didn't say anything about whether they're including that weird dial puck thing that they had on the initial Yeah I would have guessed the nine and nine with 5g because of the npu Because of the improved sq3 chip would be the one that most people would say is the most improved And none of these are are huge leaps forward, but you Surprised me. You said you were inspired by the upgrade to the studio 2 plus and it's using 11th gen intel And a 30 60 gpu. So tell me why well, here's the reason. Um, I always kind of kind of secretly Root for the surface line all of them actually to be more creative tool focused And once in a while they get it right the surface two way back in the day Was an amazing stylus pen combo screen thing and then they changed it It got weird and latent latency written issues and all this and it just wasn't as good anymore The first one of these came out the original studio surface studio And I got really excited the screen laid down You get you fire up photoshop or clip studio whatever it is You're using and you get your stylus and bam your your big art studio desktop based art studio at your fingertips But it was way underpowered horrible specs. It wasn't great. So I was like, well, we'll see what things, you know May change down the line as much as people are using ipad pros and even surface laptops and other smaller devices To do this work on now and even waycom's got a few options that are both, uh, you know, some based in linux some based in windows They're There's still I think a need For a big I got this whole desk dedicated to my production stuff And I always just think just maybe these studio these surface studio models are going to be the bomb when it comes to that But they always just kind of limp over the line of Adequate specs like this is a huge jump over the original studio obviously But it's not a huge jump in terms of some other competition out there. Yeah. Yeah So I don't know that I would say well, yeah pull the trigger on this go for it I still don't know how that's pen behaves. It was latency bad latency on the last one So maybe they fixed that that may fix a lot of things But I don't I just keep hoping that these could be cooler and that they would throw more at them They certainly charge for them. This is not cheap. Yeah By any stretch So they're actually going for that that kind of price point that people are used to paying For an expensive mac and an expensive waycom tablet and all the bits and pieces that go with it But i'm not sure you're getting that full value here quite yet. I still root for it though I want to see you'll always have the parts for it though because that's true very old parts All right now to software and services microsoft announced two design products microsoft designer for the web and image creator for bing and microsoft edge Yeah, the browser both of these use open ai's dolly 2 which microsoft has been the client for They they are the ones who are paying to use dolly 2 microsoft designer is a web app similar to canva For quick designs of things like posters invitations graphics stuff like that You can start with text just describe what you want it to make the generator It'll give you an image and then you can modify it from there You can also use stock art user created art just like you would with any other design app It's free during a private preview period and will eventually be included in microsoft 365 Although they'll have a limited version for free for people to try as well image creator is available to everybody for free It's going to show up in the edge browser and in the bing search engine And works like a front end to dolly 2 you you put in the text you get an image no editing stuff like you do Have in design but otherwise You're going to get the ai created stuff It'll launch a preview and select locations so they can make sure that they keep misuse down Before they roll it out more widely microsoft is also launching a new hub For all of microsoft's design related products at create dot microsoft dot com. What do you think of this? We've talked a lot about using algorithms to generate stuff. What do you think of microsoft's take on it? Well, I would say to all my artist friends out there and to myself included You might see this and go great now. I can just they're not even going to use me for their cool flyer They'll just make a generated piece of art on the fly and now they've got this thing working in designer And they don't need me even more than they didn't need me last week And I would say Not really they were going to use clip art anyway. You weren't in this Discussion to begin with like you were you were never going to get paid for any of the work being done here So I'm actually kind of excited to see how it works and to be honest The idea of having a browser that I could use secondarily and pop up to do a quick Generation of an image. That sounds kind of fun. Edge might get some use for me again. So we'll see it might actually increase big use Yeah, maybe all right There are a lot of other announcements here a few more highlights defender cloud security posture management And defender for dev ops are new offerings that you can get in microsoft defender for cloud Now if you don't know what any of those means you probably don't care about this But if you do they work with github and azure dev ops to use some algorithms to identify security weaknesses And prioritize fixes just making it easier to secure a corporate network Microsoft edge is getting workspaces. This is a feature that lets you share a set of microsoft edge browser tabs With a project member as a single link So you send them the link and it opens the files and the websites and everything and the tabs update in real time as you progress with the project The microsoft team's app store is adding an avatars app that'll let you customize An animated avatar that'll show up on video similar to what zoom offers Microsoft teams premium is a new tier that offers lots of premium features. It's right there in the name Including intelligent recap which can automatically create tasks Chapters and highlights for a meeting As well as translate captions into 40 languages Microsoft places lets you see who's working from where so you can better plan office use in in a hybrid world It includes things like travel time including traveling within an office if you're in a really big building That might be helpful Places is coming in beta soon and finally apple tv and apple music apps will be available for windows in the microsoft star Starting next year. So you won't have to use the web Or itunes for windows so long itunes for windows you're getting an apple music app The windows 11 photo app is also going to add actual iCloud integration Right now you can download all your iCloud stuff But there will be more integration so you can manage it the way you do in iPhoto except with the windows 11 photo app Nice i'm excited to get apple music on my series x of all things I always like having a nice loud tv running some you know cool video while music's playing And just do it from a console i'm i don't know i'm simple that way So thanks apple and microsoft for shaking hands for for making making nice with each other All right real quickly. Stephanie rob and terence over on the tech john talked about this this week I've also seen it kicking around elsewhere on the internet So I thought it deserved a little attention cnet and wall street journal both reported that the warren county of Ohio department of emergency services has received about 12 emergency calls from the kings island amusement park Due to the iphone 14 crash detection going off during a roller coaster ride Now the department has dealt with accidental calls when your phone gets squeezed and it automatically triggers emergency But these new calls specifically identified a car crash with unknown injuries So they know it's the crash detection Wall street journals joanna stern noted that similar alerts have been triggered by the joker roller coaster at six flags great america near chicago It's unclear whether those are the squeeze though or if they're actually crash detection My theory on this scott Is that kings island's roller coaster? Just is uh a little jerkier. It's a little maybe less um Proactively stopping your neck from getting whipped around and therefore triggers the crash detection because otherwise they've sold millions of iphone 14s We'd be hearing about this at lots of amusement parks And we're really only hearing about it significantly from kings island. So yeah, maybe maybe just haven't heard about it yet But if we don't hear about it from other places I'm going to think it's the roller coaster at fault not the iphone 14 Yeah, if there were a string of stories about space mountain or something then you know, we would have heard those by now I agree with you and I also have a very I think what is an elegant solution On the software slash server slash something level apple needs to say Look if you're in these parks The the phone is going to say hey looks like you're entering a place where this can be a little screwy Do you want to put this on a pause for a day for a month for or you know Not a month. Hopefully another month but like 20 minutes or something So that we don't get false positives or whatever just have an option like that I don't know if they'll do it But if anything this is just advertising for this particular kings island amusement park and that ride Because if you're chasing these thrills spine health head to king's island. Yeah, if you're chasing the thrill I think we got a good idea for if you're next trip Listen, if we don't see this widespread outside of kings island I think the solution is for apple to call kings island and say you need to stop your roller coaster from jerked people Around that hard. It's not good for people Like you could look at this is roller coaster Inaccurately sets off car crash or you can look at it as roller coaster as bad as a car crash Yeah, right. Yeah, either way those headlines are bad. They're bad for kings island. Good luck out there All right, let's check out the mail bag I got a great email from jeff here who says love the show but listen to tom and sarah since the tnt days I'm a tech guy by trade but a musician at heart and I love to often mix the two as a guitar player There's a wealth of software and hardware that makes my life more fun and easy Friday's episode about ai for music creation got me thinking about another use of ai for musicians guitarists in particular ik multimedia's new tone x capture software lets a guitar player connect a hardware device to their guitar amp amplifier and computer And using pink noise and a series of pre-recorded guitar tracks Digitally capture and effectively recreate their favorite amplifier sounds in their computer and then use that in their favorite recording software So you're you're basically training it There's even an ipad and iphone version covering the software uses machine learning to analyze the differences between the real amp and the simulation to get it as close as possible It's a slow process. It requires a very modern computer, but it definitely hints at what's to come in the future. Thanks for your time Oh, no, thank you for your time. Jeff. Uh, that's amazing. I I love that using machine learning to train amplifier noise You know atmosphere To replicate it very cool. Yeah, that's awesome I love hearing about how machine learning the the ways we don't think of machine learning yet coming to to bear You know, like it's always up to now it's been well, we're gonna make a bunch of images or we're gonna replace artists So we're gonna change the way Videos made or whatever these are all the obvious ones Once in a while something like this pops up like oh, yeah machine learning can be applied to so much other stuff And it makes me excited for the future of this stuff. Yeah, and pink noise is a constant sound in the background It's not Songs by pink No, these are those are those are although those are not noise Those are you kick something over at night like a can I guess that might be pink noise. Yeah Well, thank you scott johnson. Of course when you kick things over at night, it's johnson noise What else you got going on? Well, if you'd like some more johnson noise, here's the deal I do a show on thursday's called core which Is a show about video games and we're gonna talk a lot about these reviews for the 40 90 And what it might mean for pc gamers along with a ton of other stuff if you value great conversation And a good time and a lot of laughs around the video game industry What's happening at the top all the way down to what we're playing? 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