 Okay, so we're planning on talking a little bit about homelabs today, and we'll start off there But as usual, we'll branch off into wherever our Wherever, you know, we can or our minds take us so actually John You have a camera It's the wrong end of the camera, but How do you switch to okay Steve you need to shave my friend I Need a shower shave. I'll blame that on the power. I haven't showered or shaved in a week. We can smell you from here All right, John, I actually think that this was your topic so you want to leave this off. What were you? Did you have some things you wanted to talk about when it comes to home servers? Oh, I was actually well So I'm super interested in setting up a homelab So I know we got a ton of people who are like familiar with that I work somewhat on servers remotely like for a job, but I've never really set up my own Home lab So I was hoping to get some more information about it because I know I've been watching learn Linux TV Jay over there. He's got a huge playlist of like setting up his own stuff with Proxmox and Some other stuff. So the reason I wanted to do the subject was hoping you guys had some Information I know Matt you were also talking about doing that. You wanted to do it at some point. I have so many plans Yeah, I don't play plans plans plans But that that was the idea. I know there's ways to You can set up a starter one with a Raspberry Pi I know you can set up a starter one with even an old janky laptop or old tower that you got off of Facebook for 10 bucks I know there's ways to do it pretty much Pretty much the way I did it. Is that how you did it Jerry? So you're gonna be the expert? I Started with I Started with this Raspberry Pi one be plus this was running pi whole and Very small instance of own cloud back then and Since then I I had my Kaby Lake I5 Sitting around here, and I was like come on. Let's just throw proxmox on it and Yeah Now my i5 is my server Oh, nothing special, but I have a I was supposed to raise my hand to I'm sorry my bet. I also put in the chat There's a discord server that I found That's it's from a website But it's called noted and they're all about Home labs. I haven't dug into it. So I'm not I'm not advertising them. I don't know anybody over there So it's a garbage the garbage But if you guys wanted to help me figure out whether they were garbage that would be awesome, too Time for a great brigade Steve. Go ahead I have a pi 4 that is actively being used as my home lab server. It's got Joplin server to Since your latest video Obsidian the best note taken app Well, and you complaining about sync behind the paywall. Well, just use Joplin no more sync Paywall behind the sync But Yeah, I use it for halt warden For bit warden local Self-posting bit warden server Joplin I use it for many others download services Torrent services and stuff like that, but For torrenting linux So Other than that, it's it's a pretty interesting little machine It's the only thing that I can figure out what to do with this little Pi that I have It was very easy to set up and if you want any help just Contact kudu your resident Docker container mastermind So I've been I raise my hand Matt you can seek Um My so I've been looking into hardwares. I think that's where I've been Bottle-necked is because there's so many choices for what you can do. So you can do obviously with a pie if you can find one You can there's other single board computers that you can try But I've been looking into these little mini PCs They range from like 150 to about 600 700 dollars or so And some some depends on if they come bare bones or they get the all the stuff in them and I've been looking at these things and and they My problem is there's so many of them. So eta prime does like a video like two or three times Uh a week about a mini pc and there's just so many I'm like, I don't know Like do I want one with a lot of memory? Do I want a rise in or do I want to go intel? And the amount of choices for me, that's the bottleneck that I've been having and then I then I have to decide do I want to go with a Enclosure a hard drive enclosure that supports hardware raid Or do I want to mess around with software rate? There's just so many choices and I don't know You know, which way I want to go. Yeah, because first of all, I'm gonna end up spending a lot of money on hard drives I I've I think that My eyes are bigger than what they need to be when it comes to the amount of hard drive states that I really need but I think if I'm gonna do an ass I might as well get like a hundred terabytes or more And people say hard drives are cheap, but not when you're buying that much storage Uh, go ahead, jerry. Sorry. Um This is gonna be really bad. I'm a horrible moderator. Nobody should hire this guy really bad. Go ahead, jerry Go ahead. Yeah, I mean It depends what are you going to do with your homelab? Well, I I'm going to run jellyfin for sure because right now I run jellyfin off from this this machine so it's gonna be a jellyfin server and then I want to Basically just explore I got Steve talks about portainer and all the the all the doctors stuff he talked about I want to get into that stuff too because it looks awesome And I know nothing about it like I tried to set up jellyfin as a as a Docker or whatever and completely failed because their documentation for running that thing in a container is utter garbage like if you're not a if you're a noob There's no way you can do it from their documentation. So, um, I don't know. I don't anything about that. So, um I'm not calling you trafitan, but you can go next You're calling troll bits about that. Yeah, um, okay, but yeah, uh, I have a, um, a 32 bit an old 32 bit, uh I mean, I guess it's like a a media pc or whatever. It was like I really only had like this on it. It's like 32 bits. So I I have that and uh, I was at a school that, uh Like I knew a guy that worked at a school that I went to also like, you know, like more like It's like different than university. It's like right before university. It's like different than us. But anyway I was at school and he had a bunch of hard drives that he decommissioned from old computers And they were one terabyte drives. So I got like five of them rate five. So I get four four terabyte in there And because they're in a rate, I can lose one. So, you know, they're older. So it's fine and then I did that, but then I didn't do anything with it for a while. It was just sitting there doing nothing So recently what I did is I installed, uh, three things I installed nfs I can remote, uh Mount the file system Installed sync things because I use that to synchronize files Now the good thing about sync things now something like microsoft, uh, sky drive one drive The thing that's cool about it is that it's going to have you can have local files and you can have Always remote files like nfs, right? And you can just right click in windows and it's magic because it switches between always local Having the local copy n on the server And having only on the server, but here there isn't really that we don't really have that but we can choose in between So for certain things I choose to have it always have the local copy and have it upload on the server Like sync things, right? You should like how you think of one drive or even if you go offline for example, my password file and uh, with, uh, you know, it's like, uh sxc And my all my notes, my txt files They're in sync things so it means that I can use my phone offline And then I can update them and I can get into my home network Even if there's no external wi-fi and you can it will automatically find it on the tcp network and update Or it can be at school and it will update remotely going through a node on the internet So my stuff is always synchronized But then I also want to have really big files only on my nas because I don't want it everywhere That would be nfs So that's what I use and then on top of that I also did a git server Which I realized is super easy to do um You literally just make a like a you literally just add a repo in On the storage on as your your user that you ssh into And you just basically make a command that says a user Like you use a git command you put the user you put the path on the server and then it just grabs that so like The github URL isn't actually properly formatted like if you just have a server like you I could literally ssh into my laptop With git and then update a repo like that's something I just realized that it was literally just a file somewhere a folder somewhere It kind of made me realize what git really was. It's not just like some you know, weird URL It's actually just a repo somewhere on your on your server But yeah, um, that's what I did with my server and also I have two a terabyte drives in a qnap nas But that one you you you use like a web interface and everything so it's not really like fun But yeah, that's basically what I've been doing I with my server so far and it's funny because I did that like last week I don't know why bother to um say this, but let's see. I don't know why you can't hear us I have no clue what's going on there anybody in else in the audience having a problem hearing us actually say words um, if you are I don't know how you're gonna hear this because you obviously can't hear me Put it in the chat and we'll figure out what's going on. Uh, Steve, you can go ahead and go Yeah, I when you mentioned That we are we are spoiled for choices when it comes to mini PCs There is there is one pc. I would recommend to anyone It's it's an hp little horizontal Thing it's like this big. It's not very big But thin that you can put in a drawer or something It's got 32 gigs of ram and it's got a decent cpu 53 40 g or something like that but when you mentioned jellyfin you just reminded me that That you don't need to configure jellyfin or follow the the guide or anything if you go to hub dot docker dot org or something They have already set already set up docker containers. All you have to do is just They have stacks if you use Portainer they have stacks you just copy paste the stack into portainer hit Publish or whatever and it will just grab the image set it up All you have to do is replace the placeholder URL to your actual server URL or ip or whatever But once you do that it will attach itself to a Port sql or whatever Whichever database it uses it's going to create the database It's going to create everything and you're up and running within seconds or maybe a minute or two So you just said a whole bunch of words and I had no clue what any of them mean Website hub dot docker. You know, you don't even really have to explain it Steve because I mean I understood the the intent behind it that I have to learn more about docker, but I don't I know Literally, you don't need no I mean like I don't know how I mean Do you mean something like this Steve? Yeah, something like that. Yeah Yeah, that's that's a small hp elite desk This one in particular has a wise and five 2400 g 32 gigs of ram And once you're with SSD and wood may Would be perfect for a small little server Yep Go ahead trouble Yeah, I was just had to add that you should probably do a raid At least a rate too. So maybe you would be better with Something that has actual space for like like two drives That's why I was thinking about your music, right? What I was thinking of is getting because I get a mini mini pc and then getting one of those hard drive enclosures that will just hold like five things And then do some software raid that way Um, mainly because then I don't have to connect it to the computer fast Do you have like a seda thing or maybe I mean the one that I was looking at has thunderbolts. So it should be fine Um, plus I I'm not a speed demon. I don't need Like I have I I use open suza as my distro zipper is slow as fuck. It doesn't bother me You know like I don't care. I can just send it to go and and go do something different So if I need to if I'm transferring over files as long as it will Is fast enough that I can you know stream a movie off from it. It's going to be fine And it will be so that's that's not the the big deal the reason why Like josh sent me this gigantic case that's perfect for a nas it has a ton of hard drive bays It's hot swappable. It's fantastic, right? He sent it to me for free. It's in there It's in the box. The problem is is it's F f thing huge and I have no room for it So that's why I was looking at a mini pc and then a hard drive enclosure because then I can just you know put it in a small spot I mean, I think you could even go with to uh, like usb Like hard drives external hard drives Well, I mean I have one of those and the problem with the external hard drive is that they're all Louder and shit because they put the like the the bottom of the bin hard drives in them the Thing that I want to be able to do is just Had that small thing but I think Like my dream would be to like have a server rack with you know actual servers in it. That'd be pretty cool But um, they sound really Really loud like you see people's youtube video and they sound like a fucking aircraft carrier in your room John did you have something to say? Um, yeah, and then I looked at my phone. I was going to say that you can get uh It's mercury or whatever they have, you know four or five year old Servers like actual servers you can get them like a third of their actual price because a real real server now That's you know current state those things are thousands of bucks But you can get them for a couple hundred dollars if they're older I'd look into that but they are loud as hell Yeah, that's something something to worry about and they take up a lot of space I was looking on ebay because if you go on ebay you can find some really cheap like dual zion servers that have you know 200 and whatever gigabytes of ram and all the space for hard drives and stuff and they're like 200 bucks like really really cheap and they're not even that like that old like just a couple years old Um, and and while I don't know the quality or whatever, but the thing is first off They're huge. I'd have to have a rack somewhere. I'm worried about electricity consumption because I don't want to electricity bill is already over 300 a month. I don't want to make the any higher and also I mean you just hear the fans and those things it sounds like you know 12 hairdryers going off all at once and it would bug me. So that's the reason why I've Go ahead John Any of you, um, are you hosting? Uh Applications for yourself on here I didn't quite hear if that was because one of my reasons for wanting to use a home lab is there's a ton of open source Like software solutions for business Um, that are self-hosted. It's free if it's self-hosted. You got to pay for the service if you host it with them Um, the thing the one I'm thinking about right now is invoice ninja But any of you guys run your own web apps the other one the other one is git lab. You can host git lab yourself Yep, um, I'm currently I'm currently hosting Uh, private note or whatever it's got private bin Yeah Private bin is a note taking out with oh Sorry about the electricity. It's it'll be back in a minute. Um, but Uh, it it allows you to share Encrypted notes that self-destruct like uh mission impossible style Yeah, so, uh, I love that I I self-host this Uh With the joplin as well. So Uh, amazing stuff Home lab is A good solution, but as matt mentioned we are spoiled for choices when it comes to Uh mini computers Home lab servers We can use anything That that are hard desires basically Because but the reason I don't go into mini pcs because their price their prices are as high as regular desktop prices So I can build a regular desktop With that huge case that fits that has 14 hot swap bays For hard drives. It's a lian lee pc 49 or 149 Tower that has 14 hot swap bays. So I have that that's my htpc which is running manjaro. So But yeah, you can do whatever you want like No need to buy mini pc specifically Unless you like matt said again. He worries about electrical consumption. This is my case as well Uh, go mini pcs Just just note that if the smaller the pc the more you're gonna and the more external drives you'll be connecting Yeah, that's what I was looking for. I got a enclosure the I think when it comes to actual applications that I'm haven't got that far yet because of the hardware Choices that I've been thinking about but I know I want to do jelly thing because I already do that Uh, I wouldn't mind self-hosting but warren because right now I use just the regular one So it'd be kind of cool to mess around with either that or to check out some of the other password manager things like key pass has self-hosted stuff and you can do that um and then There are like They're like the google photo alternative image. I think is the the name of that I want to try that There's a couple other ones that are just there's all this really cool self-hosted stuff And I think specifically if you want to start replacing a lot of the google stuff that You kind of force to use that you can find Awesome self-hosted stuff for that, but I just haven't able to get into it I mean, I could if I wanted to just set up a linoad or whatever and use it that way, but uh I I feel I I think I feel more accomplished if I did it through a home lab. So um Go ahead go ahead trobus Yeah, um well I don't know if it's maybe it's just I'm too minimalist or something, but I can't really think I mean the the private bin example is is pretty actually pretty nice because I did use that at some point um, but Other than that, I don't really Maybe jellyfin could be interesting also, but most of the other things I just I don't think I'm really the target audience I think I prefer using just a file system and just having my photos there or whatever Um, but yeah, I might I might try out jellyfin at some point But what's what's the what's the advantage of jellyfin versus just like remote like mounting an nfs and like playing a movie Is it is it gonna is it I don't have to mount that I mean it's literally just runs as a system d servers in the background as the server And yeah, but you have to auto mount when you log in Like when you went to service start my hard drive I think it compresses it uses your graphic card to compress the video and send it over Well, plus I mean there's a ui for it and you can do movies tv shows It all organizes has the cover art And is all there there's mobile applications that she can use which is where I usually get it So I I I don't want to have to deal with nfs or god forbid samba on my phone That just that that sounds like something that just would make me want to you know, not Well, the else is pretty good Yeah, uh, go ahead jerry Yeah, that's what I wanted to say Yes, you can do just nfs and then play the video file directly But jellyfin you can think of more like netflix you have your library you can see everything with The color cover art and everything And Just pick let's say you want to watch One of the old night writer movies or shows or Stuff like that. You can just Choose that one and be done with Yeah, yeah, it's like it's like plex It is black. Yeah, the the thing is about plex that I've heard from my friend is that it uses the graphic card in the computer to like Uh encode the video so that it's easier to stream Over the network or something or easier for the device to play back or something But I would it yes, would that mean that it wouldn't work if I just play back the file or it would be like a lag And if you if you just do the smb stuff, then it would probably be rendered using the cpu and That that of course that's lower because a graphics card just Is way better for stuff like video encoding and yeah, so having a Half decent graphics card to for that video encoding would already be A huge benefit in terms of performance Steve Yeah, and To add to what gerry was saying It also gives you the benefit of being able to customize your viewing experience. You can add subtitles You can watch the traders if you have bonus content You can queue up the bonus content watch the bonus content you can and also Plex allows you to set up the back end player you can on linux. You can set it to mpv vlc The included player whatever you want with smb number one is going to be rendered by the cpu number two you cannot do Simultaneous streams. You cannot do anything. You're limited to One stream at a time. So basically if you are a family You want to each person each one of the family wants to watch a movie a different movie in the same house On a different tv you can do that on plex and jellypin But the benefit of jellypin over plex is it doesn't have any proprietary features behind it. It's all open source Unlike plex where it has a lot of proprietary shit behind it Yeah, I might look into it. I might look into it. It sounds uh, like it's it fixes some issues maybe I might I might look into it. I ended up using it through the flap that like I know docker is awesome supposedly but the flat pack was just Stupid dumb simple to set up. You just install the flat pack and run it Like that's literally all you do the flat pack is so good for a server You need a server There's a flat pack of the jellyfin server. You just download it from flat hub Start it on on on boot And it will and then navigate to the proper url set up point it towards where your files are and it runs perfectly fine Now you do have to mess around with flat seal loader to give it permission to the files that you need But you have to do that with everything. Anyways, it's just it's just I mean it worked phenomenally well, I I had struggled with jellyfin for a very long time because the When I want to do something and I want to find a Hey Steve my man you just murdered everyone on the stream All right talked about the mute button earlier He's like a come back to the mute button from earlier All right, I'm just gonna leave up. I'm just gonna leave him on mute I moved him I moved him to audience. Steve when you want to talk again, you have your audio fixed. Just let me know That was that was horrendous. My ears are bleeding Holy cow I'm a little worried not to give him permission to speak. Oh Oh, I have him on 85. That's why I didn't die All right, uh, I have no clue by the way what I was talking about. Um, so Uh something about jellyfin, but anyways, yeah, it was just very very easy Steve I'm still I saw you meeting you had some Very bad audio feedback. So I I don't know what's going on there. Anyways the So there are a lot of things like that like jellyfin and and Image and stuff like that that all look very very interesting to me So are there any specific like john what if you had If you set up one of these what would the software be that you'd be interested in running? well, the software it's mostly business stuff because I still I'm thinking about next cloud I know you can host that yourself Because next out is like 20 bucks a month To have them host it. That's crazy. Uh, I mean All the other business stuff like that that's outside 20 dollars is not that busy crazy But it's outside my budget for a host um But next cloud be one of them invoice ninja would be another one because I I need a solution like that There's something called sugar crm, which is a Like client database um And then really any of the git lab is another one that I would use for work I think uh git lab is cool for like dot files and other than just coding stuff But that's got all kinds of project management features. That's added to it Um, that's neat because a lot of these like I use github right now for most of my projects, but There's that's problematic in a few ways and having a uh a backup mirroring them between uh github and git lab is good, but um uh Paranoid maybe so So being able to mirror all three into my own hard drive just makes me feel Comfortable that makes sense Self-hosting git lab would be awesome because the if you wanted to if you use git lab And git lab just the regular hosen version is fantastic But once you get to the point where you're running on a storage their storage prices are Absolutely fucking atrocious. It's so bad. Yeah trollbush. Go ahead Yeah, so I I think we should we should talk about this a little bit uh What are you looking forward to because? Everyone here talk about different things my server is local only 100% I'm not it doesn't touch the outside world if you're gonna do something like private bin or Where actual other people can have to use it probably I'm gonna use it by yourself because you could just use an encrypted drive and then put your files there or do something else um Well, if you're gonna put something like an x cloud or something where you want other people to use it You have to use it. So it's public network. We need to have a static ip and Or maybe I know some what people do is that they buy a server with static ip But very little like like very super tiny server somewhere hosted somewhere and they they put the wire guard vpn And then they put it in their house So that the server Uses that ip And you don't have to open up your house network and you can use that server ip only on that one server because it It it runs on that server Like a like a vpn and uses that private ip that you buy by buying a vps somewhere and you get an ip But otherwise you have to open up your house network Usually you don't have a static ip because we don't have a lot of ipv4's left We're using not now and that could be a problem And you would have to use like a a a dynamic dns. I think or something. I'm not really Know a lot about this you use do you guys do you want to use basically what i'm saying is I mean, I guess i'm asking you Do you want to actually have it Do you want to just hold stuff locally like i'm doing for now? Or do you actually plan on having something external where you can access it externally? Well, I'd want to access it externally But I'd use tail scale or nginx to make sure everything's working properly outside of the network And we don't have to worry about opening up ports and stuff because that's Apparently nginx is astonishingly simple to set up so is tail scale And a lot of desktop environments now have tail scale built right in because it's just Sits on top of wire yard. So, um, steve go ahead Yeah, that's what steve sounds like. Yeah Steve we can't hear you bro. You're not and I don't have you muted No, no, I didn't I unmuted him. I was brave. We can't hear you. All right. Um Don't know what's going on there. So but yeah, I'd want to go I would want to available externally but the tail scale and the nginx would just for you using a VPN Yeah, yeah, just for me. I'm not gonna like post it for millions My friend has something really cool. He has only the wire guard VPN opened. I can wire guard into his house Into the the main server that he has like running as a router running pf sense and he like connects to that Like router server and then he has access to everything hosted in his house, including his computers. He can SSH into them And that's really cool. Um He only has to open one thing to the to the outside Outer world and he can he can make anyone that he wants in his family log into his house And that way also he doesn't need a VPN because if he was a VPN just because you don't want to like Connect on like like like a web cafe you you connect to your house using your own private keys that you have You know, so it's like SSH making your own private key. So it's super secure You know your keys, you know, you're safe and you're connecting to your own house That way you don't if you just want to protect yourself when you go at the McDonald free Wi-Fi You can just use your own and into your house That way you only trust yourself Yeah, but if you want to protect yourself from your ISP like a VPN like, you know when torrenting Linux ISOs Well, then you you want to use an actual VPN. Yeah, probably Steve I still can't hear you. I don't know what's going on there. I don't have you muted. I have your volume Can you guys hear? I can hear him You guys can hear him. I can't hear him. That's really effing weird Fucking discord Just a second Steve. I'm gonna work on this I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Why does discord hate everyone's guts this morning? It's so fucking stupid um Let's see here. No, we're not gonna Hi, Steve Yeah, I still can't hear you why yeah, I don't know Why can't I hear you but I can hear everybody else Let me mute you and then Unmute you I say something now, Steve No, still no I I don't get it. Uh, go ahead We'll get Yeah, everybody else can hear Steve Matt can't hear Steve. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard my life I can hear everybody else Uh, I have Yeah, I definitely I realize you can't like switch all this up like right now. We're We're yeah, we're never doing it this way again ever Yeah, this is I'm open to yeah, it doesn't have to stick on discord for me Like I will follow you guys wherever you want to go whatever Platform you want to put it on I don't I don't mind at least, you know for me. I'm voting for Uh, the other discord uh community channel was fine Um, except if it gets real busy if there's a lot of people on there that we're talking over That might just be a polite thing people who are not polite can get Muted if you're just polite about it or raise your hand like we've been doing Um, I'm okay with that just Yes, I can hear you now, whoo Fuck yeah, I I agree john This is not and this isn't any better than what we did before. I mean, we're still basically I have to do this thing I mean, it's just it's just more complex and And breaky Uh, yeah, I'll follow you guys wherever you want to go whatever platform you want to go on I would just people who are in polite should get muted. That's it. Just people like Yeah, we'll we'll figure out something different. All right, so let's let's see if we can just Ride it out this time. Go ahead Steve. Yep And his his audio keeps breaking Go ahead Steve. Talk talk, Steve Okay, uh, what I wanted to add to matt's thing is that uh, jelly, I mean, uh, Nginx and tail scale are amazing tools You can they're very easy to set up And this is what helped me because my isp closes all my ports. So what I'm doing is I'm routing all the traffic through my VPS that uh, that I pay what? $10 for a year Uh, thanks to kudo again Uh, but I'm reroute. I'm just using the vps to reroute all All the traffic to be able to access my my stuff outside the house over 3g Uh, and it was what five minutes to set up It was it's amazing So, uh, yeah tail scale is an amazing tool and and nginx is a must because you need to renew the certificates for all your If you're passing everything through a domain that you own You need nginx like I'm routing everything through zero linux.x yz Uh, for example, joblin is job.zero linux.x yz. So I I access it that way Vault warden is vault.zero linux.x yz. So Uh, amazing, you ever pissed me off steve now. I'm going to go ddush your joplin server We can all come together in one lug where we try to pen test his servers the upload that he has And we all we all I'll date your linux. I'll date your linux. Okay. Good. Okay. Let's go Good luck because my raspberry pi is off 90 of the day. I only turn it on when I need it Well, that's just that's just not fun. Oh, are we supposed to do this? Yeah, go ahead john Anything that the critical shouldn't be exposed to the outside world either. This is a general I'm that I'm that paranoid. I have a bunch of air gap part air gap hardware. It's never touched the internet I I agree with you john. That's why I uh I do it on my raspberry pi and I I turn it on only when I need it for five minutes and then turn it back off So yeah, just air gap it. This is the best way to do. Are you really that concerned about it? Yeah I think there's a lot. There's tons. There's tons of stuff you should be concerned about that should should not be If you're really concerned as I said earlier You can also just wire garden to your house and just make sure the wire garden is safe And then you wire garden to your house or tail scale and then you access the stuff so you don't need to set up separate like remote facing services that people can manually then try to pen test them Yeah, but like the password individually of the different thing I worry That if I set this up That I'm going to have to become I have to get a Network certification order to get half of this stuff to actually work. Uh, and that's a little worrying because You gotta kind of know at least I mean tail scale and engine x are really easy to set up But you still have to manage them a little bit and if something goes wrong Then you have to be able to Have some knowledge of you know, how they work or how to troubleshoot or whatever and that's going to tell a lot of Learning yeah, especially when if you are using cloud flare like I am going through the Handshake between cloud flare and engine x is a nightmare because there's this Hashcode that you need to use sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't work It can become a nightmare. So thanks to kudo. I was able to bypass all that John Is there does anybody have a good Resource for where they went to learn that Like where they went to like I mentioned earlier learn linux tv. He's got a pretty long playlist Like to get your feet wet. I know linux Foundation has a real shitty course I'm not a fan of the linux foundation in case anybody Had to have a course for it If you want a teacher go to kudo go to kudo I know we can't I don't want to like all 20 people like kudo teach us like I ask questions kudo's a good dude I know jerry's willing to help but he's also not my dad. So he's not gonna sit down and set up my server for me So the way I learned it is pretty funny. I was just doing learning by doing Yeah, I I set it up checked Checked everything Out. Okay. This is how you do this and that This is how you do that and yeah, that's how I Ended up learning all of that. I had no guides or stuff like that if I really Didn't configure it out then I looked it up but I mostly Packed everything myself and Really tried to set everything up on my own. Yeah That's how I learned a lot of times is go poke it with a stick and see what it does and then redo it And then if I really can't figure it out, I go look at the documentation, but that that tends to take me longer I Do I do do that and just go what does this do? What is that do? Oh shit that broke it? Oh shit What's this button do? Yeah, there are uh, yeah, if you want to I mean So the way I learn a lot of stuff that's the way I learned python is to go searching around for tutorials on youtube and the YouTube is fantastic and it's also the worst thing ever. So either you're gonna find a tutorial that's really awesome Or you're gonna find a tutorial that that guy doesn't know shit and he's trying to teach you I'm usually the guy who doesn't know shit's trying to teach other people but the there are a couple that I found just Searching for engine x that there are a couple that have a lot of views Usually the ones that have a lot of views are okay Um, they took away our our thumbs ups and thumbs downs. So we can't really see that metric but um Wait a minute does I was going to say well does does j have another channel or something because he He's on something called the akamai developer channel. So he um, so I could talk about that Uh akamai developer channel is linode to change their names. No, no anymore. It's akamai and they have uh a list of I guess they're their influencers because they partner with them so you can find uh The linux experience is on there for some reason like they have playlists of like where I've guessed people do videos Garner bryant and uh, they Messaged me and asked me to do it and they pay a hundred dollars per video. That's what they pay Um, that wasn't a hundred bucks, huh? A hundred bucks Uh, I'm assuming that's probably just my rate I'm serving if you when at that point I had like 10,000 subscribers So maybe if you had more subscribers you got paid more. I don't know I just was scrolling through here and saw jace face on their channel. It's like, oh, well, he maybe he has another channel But I forgot that they had changed their name to Yeah to akamai. Yeah Okay, I haven't had chance. I haven't had a chance to use them yet There are my list of stuff to look at but I haven't had chance to really use them I have like a five dollar one that I pay for off and on That I can just kind of mess around with it. It's like when I wanted to learn how to do ssh That was the way that I did it because I needed something to ssh sch into Yeah, so that's how I learned ssh is just because it's like five bucks. Um, yeah, but Yeah, there's there's quite quite a few So let's go ahead and actually talk a little bit about virtual machines because I know that docker and podman are the new hotness but you hear I mean Virtual machines are kind of like the old Fashioned old man's way of doing things. So like there's things like proxmox and Stuff like that And I think that if I were to get into this that I'd probably be running a lot of virtual machines because I'd want to be run have things I I know dockers are containers and they're they're containerized by nature But I'd want to be more control over the the actual things being separated So that's probably the way that I would do it is to have either proxmox or Just run regular kvm virtual machines Proxmox seems to be the way that everybody recommends it right for a home lab If it's small use proxmox Yeah, yeah Because I know if you're going to get docker and you've got it gets complicated at all you have to use kubernetes Or something similar and kubernetes is not easy to work with I can't even and that's for That's kubernetes. Yeah. Yeah, but that's that's enterprise level Uh tech. So if you're running Just a few things. I mean, what would be, you know, what would be used in a home lab? Um, that's way overkill. I've heard lots of good things about podman But I I only looked at it and used it once so I'm not not an expert on it It seemed to be easy to use And docker, uh I'm usually using somebody else's docker container Not building something for myself. Yeah I really need to learn more about docker For whatever reason it's um, very intimidating for me. I apparently it's really easy, but I'm just very intimidating. It is it is it is easy, but most of this stuff Most of that it just talk about personal experience like There's hard stuff out there, but even the hard stuff if you're just patient, it's not that it's not that hard it's just gotta be patient because Most I find that the documentation sucks everywhere, but We all know how to do this stuff. We can all learn Yeah, I'm gonna be learning off from youtube because You're right documentation is almost universally bad in in most places and which sucks Yeah, which sucks for me because I My problem with youtube is I gotta watch it like two times speed because I'm impatient and then I miss something And then I have to go back and find I would rather just read the book I'd rather would just read the stupid book But they're all they're all shitties as as a youtuber I I can very much attest to the fact that not all youtubers are good In fact, most most of us are bad Like I'm a good youtuber mad. I watched your video on uh, shit on my note taping application last night. I watched it Well, I just I don't always agree with you, but I watch your videos. I can't I can't stand vaults I'm telling you man and everybody in the in the in the comments like mad. Just use one fault like I'm Compartmentalize. I want things. It doesn't matter. Um, yeah, the the the thing is with the Watching things on youtube is the the quality is really just hit or miss and it's my favorite way of doing things Is to learn stuff on by some I mean first of all, it's free. I can go there You know, I know how to pay for it and But the problem is is that there's some people are really good at it Explaining stuff. Some people are really bad. Uh, go ahead. Uh troll bless Uh, yeah, so you talk about, um, well Earlier we talked about like ducker for two seconds. So I just wanted to head in that I I did mess around with ducker because I did have like some school related stuff with it And it's fairly easy. I mean if you're if you're not going to be using If you're not going to be making your own, uh, like Images you just look at the read me of whatever project you want to look into like there was this one thing This one project that I wanted to use that I was almost going to install On that debian computer I talked about which is basically it's a web interface written in like golang. I think And uh, it's basically you can open it up And then you see all your hard drives and their health, but I More minimalist. I'm just going to ssh to my server right now and then And then run a couple commands to check if my hard drives are okay Or I'm just going to make that send over to my phone using ntf y using a script in a crumb job Because that way I don't have to touch. Uh, I don't have to touch, uh You know all of that other stuff But if I would did want to install it on my server And my server was 64 bit because I realized that they didn't have a 32 bit image Uh available Which then I think I could have maybe made it work if I made my own image Bond but basically It's a little bit like an image Basically, basically they have a file and they have a bunch of commands That takes a Linux distro that's empty and puts the stuff in there That's basically what they do And then you just download that and it magically installs it in the container a little bit like a distro box that gets set up Exactly like you want and then it just you you just set it up with a couple flags To like give it like a config file and move it into that environment and then it just works It just starts the server and it kind of just works So it's actually very easy as long as you don't have to actually modify it But if you want to make your own docker, then you have a file and you have a bunch of lines of action to do That creates the image or like basically the distro Because you can get a basically like a a small distro without a kernel running on your kernel Docker isn't really that complicated if you're just like grabbing someone else's stuff, but yeah Docker compose literally just work compose And it uses a yaml file Oh good I'm I'm in then I love yaml Yeah Podman works the yeah podman works the same way. This is a it's the same idea Yeah container and there's there's other ones besides that I can't think of the names off the top of my head But they're just containers docker just happens to be the commercial one. That's Everybody's favorite, but I think only because they got popular first I think podman might be I think podman's the linux favorite Linux community seems to be I'm not sure why but both of them are open source. Yeah, I I don't I think you could also manually have containers. You can have like an lx E or lx de or whatever. It's basically just a container But that's basically just an empty distro And then you just manually install the stuff in there But with docker what happens you have a file. It's a little bit like nixos where it says Here's what I want and it just kind of does it and it installed your stuff for you That's basically the difference between docker or just a pure container Pure container would be kind of like distro box. I think Yeah I don't use distro boxes nearly as much as I used to um Because now that I am on fedora. I use it. I have to use it because I miss my arcs I forgot Steve are you actually running arch as a daily driver or or not arch but fedora as a daily driver Or do you just are you just experimenting with it? I'm using it. I'm using it as a daily driver in the store. Yes Wow, I'm in rawhide 41 right now Cool I didn't think I'd ever see the day to be honest with you. I thought you'd be using your Arch ISO forever and ever Is it just for Shits and giggles or did you break arch and not want to fix it? It's growing on me to the point where Um, it might replace arch if it continues that way. I'm sorry, Steve Jerry, what the hell is that thing in your? All right The german coke bottle that is a very oddly shaped bottle. I'm just Let's see how the german engineers everything look how easy it is for him to hold it It's just a coke bottle, but it's all engineered with a little speed grip on it It has a handle that we all need that thing It's got a little yeah, it's got speed grip on it because the german's engineer the shit out of everything We have these big gigantic two-liter bottles. You can't hold on to them. You know, you just fall Yeah, but americans americans drink coke like this I saw him take a drink. I was like, what the fuck is that? He monetized I'm sorry, I just saw it. I was like, wow, it's that's an interestingly shaped bottle. Okay, um Yeah, believe it people I am on fedora not on arch and that that's Fidora's like as a daily driver if you are doing stuff that you're just like I'm not really going to mess around like now because I have a couple of different distros on different things I mean I pop on a laptop and I have mint on a different laptop that's super old And then I have a development machine that's just fedora with kde And like if you're just like I just want to get stuff right down done right now and I'm not I'm not playing like fedora is an excellent choice to just I want to work and then I have other distros that I go play with or that I'm experimenting or that I'm learning But fedora is an excellent choice. Just it doesn't have everything on it. Sometimes It's a little irritating the fedora forums are not super awesome, but I probably hate everything so you shouldn't ask me about that So the solution to that is flat packs number one number two distro box, but my problem with rawhide is distro box, I mean docker does not support rawhide because rawhide is continuously moving It's a testing distro. It's not meant to be used as a daily driver, but It's working so far. I didn't need anything that And besides that if I need something that Like for my toolkit to work on my toolkit. I just remote into my into my arch install Upstairs via no machine. It's a remote desktop Tool and I work on my toolkit that way, but otherwise even plasma 6 On rawhide is table a f and they're and they're running kernel 6.8 dash 63 for fcu 41 And so far absolutely no issues. It's been solid. I even updated my My zero Linux rice because people have been requesting it non-stop I did all the work on fedora rawhide. I didn't need to touch arch Because it's a kde rice at the end of the day. So the widgets are the same. Everything is the same. So It's working flawless and I've been I've been using it for what two weeks now Absolutely. No no no crash. No nothing and some and Brody or I don't remember who told me Uh, just wait until they start working on the kernel. Well, so far 14 days Absolutely solid Yeah, go ahead uh troubles Uh, yeah, that was that just made me think about something. Uh, just a small interruption. Um, I was having Like issues with my with my with my uh sous system But the other day I realized I I looked it up Um, apparently I was using open sous factory as the default repo And that's like apparently before open qa like just the raw Like stuff from obs of the actual distro. So all of the stuff from the main distro was coming from like the raw Actory version on sous and opi lets you do this by default and it has like a thing Uh, I I should find the reddit again that I found this but but basically the the the What the main repo that says like it said like open to it said like, um Like like main Like like tumbleweed main or something and basically that's like a development repo and that just was added by by opi at some point When I install something and like off of the stuff my computer was from that repo. So I just removed that repo. I did a dub uh, no, uh allow vendor change and it's just Now everything is coming from the the main repo that comes with open sous And it had like no issues. So I I think that opi is like a bad thing because if you press the wrong thing It installs stuff that's available in the zipper using uh Like the the unstable repo or you just have to pay attention to what you just have to pay attention to what repos it's adding It asks you every time you install something via opi it asks you do you want to keep the repo always just say no Like yeah, it's gonna not you're not gonna go updates, but that's fine Um, just I always add it but actually the thing that's really important is make sure that you don't have um, you don't have like a Check your repo do uh zipper repo details everyone that has open sous And make sure that you don't have a main repo that looks like a main repo But that says in the url Open sous factory because if it says open sous factory Um, then it it's probably bad It should say open sous tumbleweed because then it has went through open qa and whatnot Uh, I have you guys should look into that. I have a ton of kde Repositories because I installed plasma six. I have Non non os s open h264 os s debug source tumbleweed and that's it and pacman And then a couple opi or a obs repose For specific applications. So no, I don't have I don't have I don't have a factory or anything um not Not that it worried me too much if I did I I went through and cleaned out a whole bunch of my repositories the other day because I added a few like I When I was using the wall leaf through the repository or through the rpm uh, it adds the Repository so you get the updates. I removed that because I use a flat pack now So I I cleaned that up quite good. Um, but let's kind of Circle back to the the main topic if we can the um I think that the What's going to be interesting for me because I I am going to do this in the next few weeks Like I I was this close to pulling the trigger on our mini pc like yesterday because there was a there was a sail A new egg for one of like the top of the line ones Like it's normally like 900 bucks and it was on sale for like 699. I was like, no Not quite there. I want to I I added it to honey. So it's going to tell me if it gets any cheaper Um, so I was really really close and so it's going to happen the next couple weeks For sure. I'm going to buy this thing and when I do I'm going to be messing around with all this stuff and you guys probably will never get any videos for me Because I'm just going to be doing this All the time and I I think that this is going to be a rabbit hole for me You guys think that once you start this or if you've already started it that it kind of is going to end up being a rabbit hole for you Go ahead. Absolutely. It's a rabbit hole. Yeah, john Yeah, absolutely. It's going to be a rabbit hole. I already I wrote down a lot of what you guys said, um Some of the things I already knew about like proxmox Tail scale, I don't But I don't think I heard about that before but engine X. I've set that up a ton of times. That's easy um It looks good the I'm still Like you said, I'm still I'm trying to figure out what hardware I'm going to use Um, because I'm in a boat where I need low power consumption um Definitely need low power consumption and I like the idea of running a mini pc because it will circle I like a raspberry pi because it'll be like super trickle, but I don't think that's going to be uh Enough for my for what I want to do with it. So I might end up getting a a tower or something like that I think that might be my tower with multiple bays. Uh, I think that'll be my best bet But I'm gonna I was going to ask you earlier if you wouldn't mind Um Putting a channel for homelab Or is that too much We can we I'll talk around talk it around with yours and there's the mods and see what we can do We might just add it to the hardware um channel, uh, but Then again, it also does the software. So we we have hardware and software, but they're kind of separated I've been thinking about I've been thinking about adding uh a homelab one, but I don't know whether or not it'd be useful now Granted, I didn't want to add the gaming one and people have been using the crap out of that. So maybe I don't know What's going on here? The uh, maybe maybe do a poll. Yeah, I'm showing you right now Get something like what I'm showing you right now. This is uh It's like, uh, it's like a vcr kind of thing I always wanted a vcr. That's amazing Great elephant because you can modify you can play with the volume from here you can change, uh Hard drives you can switch hard drives from here Uh, it's got an lcd display over here Uh, and you can connect external drives over here. Don't mind the fire wire because Say is that fire wire? Jesus Damn, I haven't seen that one in a while Yeah, I've had this I've had this case since 2005 Yeah, that I explained so And it's got a dead motherboard and a cpu in it core i5, but uh, I'm waiting to get a new hardware for it But I've had this case since 2005 and this will become my proxmox server This is my future proxmox server So, um, yeah, the these cases you'll find a ton of them and they range between It's 50 to to 80 dollars. They're not much Well, you can get a you can get many for really cheap. I mean like there's and if especially Even new ones can range from like 120 bucks Um, but if you go to like ebay you can get really really cheap mini PCs great, but I'm obsessed with the mini PCs because thank you john. I'm very worried about power consumption because I don't want to Electricity's expensive af. I don't want to have to I don't want to increase it by like even 20 dollars Like I want to like I just wanted to be very very cheap There's seven people in my house and all of us are running hardware like all day Like everybody works online. Everybody works remote. The only one who works outside the house is my wife So everybody's on a tower all day Well, no the old man he's not working. He's retired But he's he's got his phone charging his tablet charging his laptop charging. He's on facebook on the tower like He's watching a movie. Yeah, everybody's got the lights on Yeah What's under i'm sure has a ton of stuff about home labs Yeah, he's the one I was hoping who would talk because I know he's got him and jerry. I know we're experts Go ahead Man with your with your linux mitt greatness, are you running linux mitt on a server? Are you are you know, I thought about it though? It'd be funny I mean at that point it's basically a one-two server with a gooey front end. What's the point like cinnamon on your server No, I have to be my server It's actually the same mini pc looked like that. Uh, jerry was using Is what I have it's an octa plex 70 50 micro tower I got it for 75 bucks. No ram. No ssd Um, and I've been messing with kasa os on it because that was something Steve had mentioned at one point on one of your videos Or podcasts or something like that And it does a pretty good job What I ask it for I I want to rebuild it. I want to actually build um an actual box out that's just like one thing because I've kind of outgrown the Synology NAS I had next door. I actually put it in not this chat, but the other chat But I have that Synology NAS doing most of the documents and pictures And then I have um, I want to set up a next cloud, but I'm just playing with it for now To to manage that instead um Then I mostly use the octa plex for Uh plex server to do all the plex stuff. I have jellyfin on it. I was using jellyfin. I've gotten plex to work a lot better for me It was at least a lot more responsive and whatnot, but So far, I mean, I haven't had that server fail me yet um And like the big thing was we started digitizing all of our dvds because Well, my internet here as you saw at the beginning of the Group here literally I went to hit join. I heard a boom outside and my internet went down for 20 minutes And that's just what it does in the summertime. It's literally afraid of all forms of weather and sunshine so I just started buying dvds because you can go to Goodwill and buy some of these dvds for two to five bucks a piece And I've got everything from I've started doing some of the anime's my wife watches to we started digitizing fairytale We started digitizing a lot of movies and whatnot. So when I'm sitting here in the internet's out I can just Pull up my laptop my router will still be working And just pull up plex or pull up jellyfin and go, okay Well, let's just watch a movie or let's just watch whatever tv series I own last and That's one of the things I thought about too is the uh My father-in-law the guy's 80 and he was like the uh Ancestry guy for the family for his family and they're huge Um, Poland and here in the states and all that stuff. So he's got like boxes and boxes of Family photos and documents and you know history from that side of the family And I got them all plastic wrapped and protected as best I can But that's one of the things that I was trying to get him to do was To scan all that shit digitize it So once we could share it with more people But then also so that nothing happens to it because paper doesn't last forever Some of those photos like he's got photos from the 1800s So like it's an actual photo from you know, 1895 From the family so I don't I don't want anything to happen to that but So we're shopping for scanners and stuff like that, but that would be another use case It's not professional for me is to be able to digitize and have some place stored And anything I could do to get out of the cloud I mean, I still use cloud services. I have to but and I don't I don't I'm not against it, but I'm being able to revoke movies. I bought Kind of bugs me you can snatch away my license on a on a movie I bought 10 years ago I probably never get to watch it again. So I don't care, but The principle of the thing kind of bugs me I do Yeah, it bugs me right like they get just gonna I paid for it like I have a license and then you oh, we're not we don't we don't want to host It's too much bandwidth from a movie 10 years ago. It's gone I worry the same thing about books now because I I've run out of of Shell space for physical books and I read seven to ten books a you know month And I usually just buy the physical books because you know, I prefer physical books But I've since had to move to digital. I've talked about this on the podcast and I worry I worry constantly That the books that I get on Kindle or whatever are going to go away. So I've just not I've said, I'm not I'm not buying digital books if I can I mean sometimes I do but most of the time what I do is I get them through Libby Which is the library or I get them through Kindle Unlimited, which I know I won't own So I'm actually happier right now not owning them at all because if they go away, it doesn't matter I didn't pay for them. I'll just find them somewhere else It would bug the crap out of me if I paid for the things and then they went away, which I mean I just have yeah, I mean There's the big Examples of it like Sony just recently taken away all the discovery stuff off the playstation So those things get heard about but it actually happened I mean and the thing is not even a new problem like when itunes first came around I mean that happened all the time And you know, it's just now more of a thing now because more people are doing the digital thing I think that I mean not to be the crotchety old man and say this generation is not used to owning physical copies of shit but Everybody's just used to Spotify now. You like you don't own anything. You just pay for the streaming rights You go to Netflix or Hulu or whatever. You don't own any of that stuff and if in everybody who who who is a part of A streaming service, you know that the content there is constantly influx like sometimes something will be on Netflix Sometimes it will move over to max and then it will move to paramount plus and if you know, it's just a mess And then they wonder why we go all You know Jerry go ahead My grandma actually got burnt by this by the subscription thing because she had a kinder and she bought a few books on that and after three or four years She wanted to read that one old book that she bought at the very beginning And yeah, please buy it Please buy it separate separately now. It's not part of the subscription anymore and she was like Grow you amazon She immediate she threw the candle at the wall Went to the went to the local store and bought all of her books In a physical copy. Yeah theft theft is theft. There's there's something to be said about uh Like having a book and they have like little post-its and they highlight shit and you have your little notes in the margin Like it you know the the the binding gets old and busty like there's When my wife and I first got married like we're poor as shit So we would like sit out on the back deck and this little double-wide in Tennessee And like read because we didn't have cable like we couldn't afford it So like we'd read books like from the library and we would just like hang out drink coffee and read these stupid books Uh or talk about the books that we were reading like we'd you know Both read the same book at the same time or like one after the other there's something to be said about that You don't it's not good to have a screen in front of your face all the time Anyways, but I and I do but I do have a bunch of digital books. I read like crazy like matt Like I just it's one of my relaxing things I tried I have a old Cell phone that's the only thing that's got on is google play Because uh google play google play books or whatever because you can use it to Anything that's an e-pub you can put it in your library. Yeah, and uh and read it So I get a bunch of old books that are in there and it's a it's a older phone But it's still big enough, but like I'll read off of that if it's something. I don't have a paper copy phone Troubles good It's kind of crazy how it you you actually get More freedom if you if you pirate then if you actually spend the money on the popular Places because you know I can go and those archives.org right now And I can get any more book in the world for free and pdf form And that's going to be on my nas forever and you can't can you cannot take it away from me But if I buy something on kindle, uh, that's not the same thing. They can take it away from me You can probably have it offline and and and backed up and the the So I think the solution would be to actually buy pdf's because I think that there's a couple of people that that sell pdf Still on their website at least when it comes down to like Like linux books. Maybe there's it's it's more there's more of it. I know that sometimes there is good, uh, good deals on certain, uh, books like that With hamun bobble. They make a bundle about certain things Maybe you should make a a bundle of a selfless thing so you can have like a dockery thing and other other books, but uh, yeah, um I don't know is there do you know any good certain places to buy like pdf I guess it really comes down to like buying it from the guy who actually wrote it Most of the time is it's usually just um On the person's website. I don't I find them. I don't know about Like non-fiction, but if you will you want to buy stuff directly from the author a lot of the times There's a place. There's a service called campfire It allows you to buy fiction directly from a lot of authors now Most of that stuff is going to be self-published stuff It's not gonna be a lot of the big publishers aren't going to be A part of that because they're gonna sell through amazon because they got exclusive deals and stuff But if you are interested in the self-pub scene, which is I mean That's the direction where a lot of authors are going because it's much easier to do You don't have to deal mess around with agents and all that stuff So but campfire is a place where you can go and you they take like a it's kind of like steam where they They take a small portion of it. That's how they make their money and then the author gets the rest And it's that they're margins or whatever for the authors are Okay Vivaldi just crashed for whatever reason and Steve was first I'm trying to find the right workspace Okay, there we go. Uh, go ahead Steve Uh Vivaldi crashed on crashed on you. Yeah crashed on me like 10 times today It it I don't know what's going on. Are you using the flatback? Are we talking books right now or what happened? Well, we were we were talking about Owning physical media and people seeing those steal your Content off me the places more people more people get audiobook versus anything else I have the entire isek azimov audiobook collection fancy Hmm I pay for audible I've just I've succumbed to the subscription nonsense because it's just easier The I had just next that I had I've had to go digital now So instead the problem is is like I have an iphone That's my main phone and they have the iBooks thing But I don't want to put any money into iBooks because it's it's the only ebook service that's available only on one platform so like if I Give google your money if you want to at least then you can Install that application on whatever platform you can get an iphone android whatever You can read it in the browser if you want to The iBooks is very self-contained. It's only on android So I won't give them the money and I decided they're like I can buy stuff from Kindle which I do when it's not available on kindle limit I was like I look at kindle limited kindle and limit is like 13 12 13 bucks a month and you get access to all the stuff and like That's kind of cool. I'm gonna spend that much money on a on one book I might as well have access to all the books Uh, and then I do the same thing with audible. It's like 15 bucks a month. You get a book a month. It's great. Um but Individually subscriptions are very great, right? Like Netflix you don't think very much paying you know now it's like 15 bucks a month or whatever used to be like seven But you know you just whatever but you add all of them up At the end of the month like I have 12 different subscriptions or whatever and like oh my god I'm paying just as much as I used to pay for cable It's it's stupid. Uh worth thunder. Go ahead I was gonna say if you do audible stuff, uh, my wife does a lot of audible And I actually found her in a open source client that'll actually download those books from audible To your hard drive and then from there you could put them out on a server or something like that You should definitely share that with me. So I can use that's what I do. That's exactly what I do Just open audible. I think it's what it was called Yeah There's a docker container to hold to manage your audiobooks that I have on my uh raspberry pi That's one I forgot to mention. Uh, I forgot what it's called, but it allows you to manage audiobook. It's called audiobook shelf Audio bookshelf the docker container image. I just Pulled the image set it up put a username and password uploaded all my audiobooks and now I have 190 Star Wars audiobooks and the entire isek azimov audiobook collection. That's the only two collections I have Tell me you're a star wars fan without telling me you're a star wars fan Yeah, I'm no I'm not a star wars fan. I'm a I'm a star trek fan star wars is just the bonus that I uh that I uh That I got after but uh star trek first Everything after well, at least you have it the right way around Yeah To be fair, I also do like star wars, but it it's one tear down For me Captain james t kirk bring me up scottie There you go The entire stream just like fall on your star trek discovery last season Star Trek discovery last season final season uh season five final season starts april 4th See this is why I like my plex server Because I finally managed um ironically enough I got the entirety all seven seasons of voyager I got them digitized. I got them on my server. I was on season Five or six and then my parents stopped paying for paramount So the account I was logged into I just suddenly lost my account history for that And I was like well, I know roughly what episode I was on it's on my server now Yeah, I just moved over to my plex server. I'm finishing the season or 1080p upscales They're not yeah, they're they're the So the dvd said I have is just the ones that were ripped off vhs tape We're back way back when so it's standard definition Um, what I thought about seeing if I can re-encode them or if they would sell a better quality version They've never remastered it. Yeah, they are fan remasters AI they they call them AI upscales Uh that I got the whole seven season collection occupies 1.2 terabytes on my hard drive. Jesus I don't have that kind of space not yet. Yeah, I have a one terabyte Star Wars Movies that they've got the original Real from the 70s and they they're digitizing it in 4k every movie And I got like a bunch of version of that. There's a forum if you look at it, it's like uh star wars 4k and it's like the like 77 or something whatever year it came out for every movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know what you're talking about That's so cool. I don't like I don't did like uh, almost like a terabyte just of star wars movies multiple times Just because I was nerding out looking at all because they show they have their forum And they show all the images quality of all different versions And you can look at them and you can you can peak frames and they they do color grades and you do It's they go they have like a like a pdf That's like 10 pages where they like go into what they do and it's pretty amazing Go ahead war thunder I say I'll I'll keep it short The one downside to having all these upscaled things like have on your server and whatnot One storage space like I said my current plex is only one terabyte, which I want to rebuild and have a bigger Have a bigger library. Just haven't done that much plex yet but two What people found out for like Star Trek the next generation like I have the dvd set back here Is when they upscaled it for blu-ray You start seeing ah, if I find it, I'll put it in the chat somewhere There's a guy out of texas that did a all the things that are wrong in the next generation Because on the old tube tvs or on the old standard definition you didn't notice all the mistakes and booms and shot and different things But when they upscaled everything you see like little nicks in the carpet here or stains were like Between two seasons they had a bunch of cats get in and like vomit all over the set So there's parts of the set that are still like stained early on in one of the seasons and You didn't notice that on your tv back in the day, but you see more detail Yeah That happens on all of the like all those shows that get upscaled Part of it is the aspect ratio the aspect ratio widens out So what was not in the shot when they made the tv show now? Like you can see the shadows from the the crew and all that other stuff The one that I found the funniest about star trek is they had Reflective surface surfaces like on the next generation those little because it's plexi Yeah, the plexiglass that was mimicking their computer interface or whatever It would shine into the camera off of the the back light So it didn't mess up the shots what they would have to do is take like black construction paper And like stick it over something that was too bright And sometimes they did a pretty good job of making it look nice so that you didn't really catch it But because of the contrast in 4k Yeah, you can see it there at other times like you can see somebody didn't give a shit that day. So it's like Yeah, there's stuff they left in shots because like, ah, no, it's fine, you know, yeah Like they forgot to put up ladders and certain shots. Yeah, somebody's coffee cup the doors are leaking Yeah To close the subject out, I'm just going to say that I recently got openheimer and 4k 109 gig Yeah, that's my one issue with blu-rays when I started digitizing blu-rays Yeah, that's a lot of data like my blu-ray drive will sit and run for like four hours That's why I'm having to delete old stuff to put new stuff Like recently I got MacGyver the real MacGyver Richard Dean Anderson That was 1.2 terabytes Lucifer was one terabyte What's it called? Let me ask you guys this question. 800 gigabytes Why y'all need 4k like Well, just 1080p is perfectly fine It also is just On a small 1080p screen, but yeah, um, if you get a 4k in code, but you don't put Uh, a gr is and it's actually compressed like Correctly like it's going to be way smaller than than like 100 gigabyte. Yeah, it's gonna be way smaller And if you don't need a gr and you just need 4k, this is yeah, just you don't need you don't need 4k john 4k movies in h265 instead h264 They're going to be around 10 to 12 gigabytes of movie instead of 109 John you guys are all spoiled. I grew up our tv was a wooden hardwood console tv I don't know if you guys even know what this shit is. It's like a piece of furniture It had a dial on the top that had 12 digits. He had to like crank crank crank crank was loud as shit and had 12 13 stations on it and it was zero at the top and he would turn that one And then you turn the one on the bottom and you could get like extra weird shit like the spanish channel and uh My region it was uh WPR 50 or whatever and we watched Star Trek the next generation At seven o'clock on Tuesdays or something like that MacGyver was on wednesday Uh and big console and then we had a Commodore 64 in the other room And if you even walked by the Commodore 64 with a glass of water even walked by it A parent would like spider-man off of the wall and kick your ass because you had liquid by the computer Like it was a big deal And then when nendo nintendo came out. I lost my mind for like two years straight We had a natari, but when uh nes came out like that was Everything was crazy Yeah, you guys with your 4k and we're streaming all over the world with each other So my first tv boiled when I was young I had uh a curtis mathis And it was in wood and it had the knobs But that was that was 40 years ago Jerry go ahead First up I'm not I'm not spoiled. I grew up with this one so I I saw the word of gloria's 240p And secondly, I also don't get why a lot of people really want 4k this tv right here Doesn't even support 1080p just 1080 i and Because I cannot set the aspect ratio I had to set my apple tv to 10 24 by 7 68 and manually stretch the image To make it fit with With the 16 by 9 aspect ratio, so That just sounds bad. That's fine. Well, there's some people out there now who are like, oh, well a k is the next thing Like we don't have that type of hard drive smells folks. Um troll bus go ahead Yeah, but I mean basically my rationale is I I I paid I paid, you know, I I used to have a tv like that like, you know over there And you know, it was really bad. It was like an 80i and you could see the pixels even on the on the couch It was it was really bad and it was like super thick. It was like it was like literally like like this thick like like like And I mean, you know, it's not comparable, you know Like super old stuff, but you know, it wasn't like a flat screen Like like the one behind you. It was actually like like actually like this thick And you can see the pixels and everything um I mean, you know, it's a flat screen lcd, but then the older one and then I went Okay, I'm going to spend like good money like maybe 600 canadian or more and I'm going to get 4k hdr And I did that now I have that and you know, I'm going to use it, you know, I'm going to use it Which, you know, my parents have streaming services. So I I did use it on there and honestly, I would say that if you're far away enough from the tv hdr versus not hdr And maybe if you're in the tv, isn't that big and you have both proper hdr and 4k hdr will probably make more of a difference Because that is like Really big brightness difference. I can't tell the difference between 4k and antenna AP my eyes are too bad okay, it's just like Like the people out there who claim to be audio files and can tell the difference between You know, whatever and whatever like it all sounds the same to me as long as there's not artifacting and I can It sounds fine. I don't need super fancy thing War Thunder go ahead I was gonna say my first tv was my parents had a Hitachi Projection screen tv when those big box boxy tv's my dad had saved up for years for that Yeah, and there's console we have in the house Oh god, it actually came in two pieces and the day we get rid of it I had to actually help The couple that took it out of our like giveaway like in the trash day Um to their house because they couldn't lift it. It was the four man lift to get this big tube You know moving but it was it wasn't um 720p, but it was really close It was one of the really high end projection screens We actually found out my dad put like seven motherboards in it He'd kept taking it to a friend of the family and they kept just recapping it over and over again because it kept blowing caps Yeah, but the picture looked great Um, but the first console we had my brother bought And actually got in trouble for it because we weren't supposed to play games because my dad was against that Um was the original xbox So he bought that around the time the 360 came out his buddy at school bought a 360 Said hey, I'll sell you my xbox cheap And then that's that was my introduction game was the original xbox with the big old dupe controllers and And whatnot. So yeah, those things were really terrible, but I still love them to death. Like yeah, it was great I have them all now, but you know my that was my intro my My cable ripped off the controller. Unfortunately I still have two for mine That are still in pretty reasonable shape. The only issue is I think mine's new enough that the clock battery won't murder it But i'm afraid to take it apart because the fans sound awful at this point I mean, it sounds like a lawnmower um um sent me the manufacturing date of your xbox And I can tell you if the clock capacitor will end up leaking or not I yeah, I'll go grab it at some point. I want to say it was either late o three or four. I could be wrong It's not the last one that came out. I think it's the right before that Okay, okay Then if it's not the 1.6, then the capacitor will most likely leak Yeah If you hold on a second, I can probably go Go ahead John. All right gentlemen. I uh, that's my bell. I gotta dig out for the For the week or for the episode Um, do we know what we're doing on the next one? Uh, we're gonna do a wing in a wing at episode. We'll just kind of chat about a whole bunch of stuff Then we'll do another topic after that. Um And uh, we will do something other than we'll either go back to our traditional room or we'll go to we'll do jitzy But I'll I'll let you all know what's going on with that. Um, was it was nice seeing everybody again Can't wait to see you next time. Uh, have a good day. Thanks for joining us John. Yeah, all right Yeah So I I mean War Thunder's actually just you guys I mean, it's literally just right over there. It's in my living room Jerry just had an Earlier when I was talking about it just Like josh having props all the time I go get my Sega Saturn if you want to see that I don't care. I don't I don't have anything I can I I can get my original Xbox real quick too It's the 1.0 version. It's a launch model. Okay, so Where do you actually see the version number because on on the On the bottom on one of the old stickers there There is the big barcode and above that there's the manufacturing did Oh That's gonna be a problem. This one's been a part before And uh, I don't know if you can see why that might be a problem We see is Steve So I'll have to take it apart If you look at if you look at my screen, you will see I have every single Star Trek tv show that was ever made Star Trek Star Trek The deep space nine discovery enterprise pick cars strange new worlds the next generation voyager You should branch out is what I'm saying. All right. Anyways guys. I'm also gonna have to to pop out here I got some stuff to do. Um, this was it was a great episode. I'm I'm probably gonna buy my home server stuff tonight because I can't wait now because I want to go mess around with stuff Um That youtube money, baby And and matt if you need help hit me up Yeah, I'll I'll be I'll be pinging stuff in the uh in the chat anyways, uh, thanks everybody for watch for uh For for joining this time. It was a really good one. Uh, the room will stay open if you guys want Actually, I don't know if the room will stay open with this with this nonsense. I think once I leave everyone's gonna get kicked off So make it make a new make a new channel right now. So people don't want to stay All right. So under the general category the voice chat is still there if you want to go use it Oh, okay. Yeah, so, um, yeah, it's just it's just called voice chat We've honestly could I've honestly forgot that I kept it But um, if you guys want to go use that you can you can But I do think that once I leave that everybody's going to get kicked off. So if that's the case Um, I'm sorry, uh, but I do have an experiment Yeah, yeah, uh This channel once everybody's out of it will go away and never come back because the the the stage Functionality is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. All right. Anyways. Yeah, it's just so good 10 out of 10 clearly Yeah, so it's so bad It would be better if it worked like uh, uh ms teams anyone use ms teams You can like raise your hand, but everyone is like speaker can speak or something. Yeah, that's It shows an it shows an emoji next to your name It's like everyone is like for example Everyone at the bottom there and here would have like an little emoji of like a hand being raised and you can follow it That's what this was supposed to be like. Um, yeah And zoom anyone can also open up their mic if they want to zoom and jitsy do the exact same thing I think they got it from zoom But uh, that's what this was supposed to be but that's not what this ended up being but that's okay anyways, I will um I'm gonna hop off and uh, I'll talk to you guys all later. Um, thanks for Thanks for being here. See you