 I wanted to see about maybe scheduling that interview with the one candidate we have. Excellent. And are all those dates okay for you? Or you already gave me the dates that work best for you, I think. I don't think I did actually. I'll send you those again. Okay. Okay. Great. Have a great meeting. Okay. Thanks so much. Yep. Bye. Just hear her writing at the other end of the room. Jim, just so you know, we're actually recording. So you might want to mute yourself and keep the video off for a minute until everybody gets here and then we'll start officially. Thank you. I just noticed that. Thanks. Yep. Bye, Ellen. How are you? Hello. So we are already recording. So Jim is here. Jim, if you want, you can unmute, but we won't. We'll give it another minute. I also see that we have Hannah Reichaffen in our as an attendee. So I'm going to say hi to Hannah. Hi, Hannah. Can you hear me? Yes. How are you? Good. So we haven't officially begun. We'll begin in a few minutes. Was there something particular you wanted to speak to today or you just wanted to join us? No, I was kind of just on to listen, especially about the electrified earmarsh staff and other plans you have. Yeah. Okay. Great. So if you want to join in, we don't usually have visitors, but we'd be happy to have you. We'll start officially in a few minutes. Thanks. No rush. Yep. Okay. So why don't we give it another minute for Shona and for who else are we waiting for, Amy? Amy. Yes. I haven't, I haven't heard that they're not coming. So I will assume they are. Actually speaking of devil, there's Amy. Yes, I'm here. I guess we'll start. We don't need, we don't need Shona to start. She'll show up. In fact, I remember now, she said she may not be here till a little later. So that's good. Jim, you want to unmute and I'll read my introductory script and we can start. Okay. Pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the Open Meeting Law, General Law Chapter 30A, Section 18. This meeting of the Amherst Public Art Commission is being conducted via remote participation. I have to do a roll call check to see who's here and make sure your audio is working properly. So I'll start with Ellen Kiter. Here. Jim Barnhill. Here. Amy Crawley. Here. Bill Cazan is here and Shona King is not here, but we do expect her here. And we have one guest attendee, Hannah Rexhafen. So she may or may not have something to contribute, but we welcome her because we don't usually have people who come to our meetings. So okay. So the meeting is being recorded to the web and can and could be shown on Amherst media and broadcast on and or broadcast on the town of Amherst YouTube channel. I am calling the meeting of the Amherst Public Art Commission to order. How's everybody? Pinging in, I guess. How are you? Thanks. All I can say. Yeah, I hear you. So excuse me. I don't have anything particular to report as chair. That's off topic. You know, we can, I have some electrify Amherst stuff, nothing big. I can get to that one, get to that poetic dialogue. I think it'll be what we spend most of our time on today. Otherwise, it's been relative to the public art commission anyway. Pretty low key. Excuse me. My threshold is actually given all sorts of other things that are going on in town. So why don't we, since Shona's not here, hold off on the treasurer's report and jump right into the poetic dialogue grants. So Ellen emailed us the draft of the grant application for the cultural council grants for updating or for refurbishing the poetic dialogue sculpture. I had a chance to look it over. Hopefully some of you other folks did. I could always share my screen or maybe even Ellen could share her screen if we wanted to look at it together. And so let's let's talk about that and see where we are and what we need to do. And if there's any issues with word smithing, we could do a little bit of that here. We don't have a lot of other things on the agenda. I'm also secretary. So I have to try to between taking the minutes and doing this. But so some are I, yeah, I think what I'm looking for is if anybody feels we need more explanation, I can't recall this is a web form we fill out and I can't recall if there's a character limit or word limit, but I can always cut down. But I feel that anything needs further clarification or description. Happy to put that in. So I just created this word document. I copied all the questions off the web form and created this just so we could look at it all. So summarize the proposed project. You know, I don't know if it's worth mentioning when these were installed who the artist was, why would the artist is not included in this grant proposal? Yeah, I think I mean, I think a little bit more than certainly the artist's name and the date the piece was made will be important to have and maybe some of that background depending on the word count for the submission. I was I don't think Amherst cultural mission lacks information on who the Emily Dickinson and Robert Foster. So Ellen, to your question, the different fields, especially for the explanations, there are some again, I can't remember if it is word or character, but there are some limits. Yep. There is a section where you can include additional information. So that that might be a place if they're supporting documentation that you want to include it. Yeah, I definitely want to include photographs of it. And also I would say the artist gave us permission to do this work. So I would include that as a relevant piece of information somewhere. The question I did have was the funding amount. Had we settled on it? That's a question that I just fill in. But I was hoping Shoshana could confirm might even be helpful to have a estimate from Camille Kamal on Letterhead or something. Otherwise it seems rather vague just to say $800. And I think she said 1300 plus if it will go back to his studio. And yeah, I just want more clarification. Like, does that mean $5,000 or $1,300, but below $2,000, just better range. And transportation could be very costly of these, I don't know. So that was also you saw in my email last night. Right, right. We'll have to wait till Shoshana is on. Yeah. The only other question I had just with the information that you sent to us, because I think there is a section like on partners or who else might be involved. And we've got the DPW or BID. I might be inclined to include the Dickinson Museum as a partner. Are they a partner? I don't think you can say that unless they said yes, we're going to be a partner or whatever. Of course, of course. Are we going to attach a resume or anything of Camille Peters? I can put his website. Something like that because if you're giving money to somebody who's going to be repairing it, then that's the key piece of information I personally would want to have. Whether that person could do it, which I'm sure he can, but let's put it. Yeah, I forgot he did the benches at Jake's. Oh yeah, that's good. I'll put that into. I'm just highlighting here notes. I'm not going to, I'll put them into complete sentences. But we did agree, just let me point out too, we did agree when we went to full refurbish for sure. So we want to get the quote for that, which I think the previous number was like 1200, which seems low ball to me. So just definitely go back to him. Get a quote on paper would be great. He's going to be back up a minute. I think if you attach your resume, it wouldn't be in your work count. No, it would probably be in the supplemental materials. Yeah. I can do that with the photographs and hopefully his estimate, if I can get a written estimate from him. Well, I would highly recommend it that we have a written contract. I wouldn't be in favor of it, actually, if we didn't. And say he's an artist. I'm trying to figure out if he has any copyright rights. Well, here's the question though, when we submit this grant, are we saying we're committed to growing with him? Or are we saying that we're committed to doing the work? And here's an estimate from a qualified person in the area. That's two different things. Yeah. Well, yes, I don't think we're committed to him necessarily at this stage. But if we decide, if we get the money, then I think we would draft a contract. I don't want to have to contract with them before we have money. And Bill, I saw your email that if the project is under $10,000, we don't have to put it out to competitive bid, which is good. Please make a mental note that in the contract, you should say it's a work for hire. Okay. We'll get to that. Contract drafting when we get to that, hopefully. I just didn't want to forget. Yeah, no, that's all. It will be very helpful to have your legal eyes on the language. So one question I wanted to see, this is due, I think the 15. Something like that, yeah. I can reach out to Jane Walde at the Dickinson Museum to just see if she can lend her support. You know, at this point, I don't know that I would ask her for money, but just her, you know, maybe a letter of support or yeah, I think all I would want at this point. But I didn't know if somebody wanted to reach out. So last time we applied for this grant through the CPA, Eric had reached out to the head of the DPW and got a verbal agreement. So that was two years ago. So I don't know if somebody, I don't know, is it Guilford Maureen? I can do that. I've been in touch with Guilford for a number of things over the years. So I can shoot him a quick email, say hi. I haven't talked to him for a while and see if they're still able to do that. That bottom line, how are we going to adjust the project? Are we going to be able to do the project if we don't get the funding? Yeah, that's a good question. Because if you can't, that makes it a better sell to the funding agency, I would think. We can't do it unless we get some funds. So we, I think we should say no. So APAC does, what is our, well, we'll have to wait for Shoshana again to get up. I think you can just say we have no budget for this other than contributions. Yeah, because for some of the, well, for the electrify ammers, in that situation it was we were, if we didn't get our full amount, we might reduce the number of boxes being painted or reduce the stipend or get donation support from businesses. We had some wording like that, at least for those projects. So, well, that doesn't play this up for me. I'm really curious about how we could reduce this project. We could, because what we could say, I don't know if we want to, but there are two renovation options. One is that he comes on site and does just a quick fix. The other is he brings it back to his studio for a full long-term repair. So the question is, do we want to open up the possibility that the Cultural Council might say we're not going to give you the money for the big repair, but we'll give you a lesser amount for the quick fix. I can almost guarantee you that the Cultural Council will be thinking about partial funding, although I'm not saying they would only give us partial funding, but I know that's in their minds. So is it worth saying that, then? Maybe we should say we'll attempt to solicit funds from other sources, and then as a last resort, we could drastically reduce the scale of the project by blah, blah, blah. How about that? Okay, so, yeah, I think in the past, we tried to avoid, tried to not put in there, if we get X amount, but if we don't get X amount, we'll only do this amount. It was a little more broad in the statement. That's too blunt, I agree. I like the way you're doing it now. I wouldn't put the dollar amount in. It might be, Ellen, something like options would be on-site repair versus removal of the sculpture, but removing the 800 and just saying repair maybe could be done on-site versus something like that. I would actually say something stronger. I would say best practices dictate that the sculpture be removed and restored for long-term repair. Yeah. While a short-term fix on-site is maybe possible, it would require another in the near future and another in the near future. Something like that that says something along those lines. That's what you're doing now. Okay. Yeah. I mean, you can write later, but just something in that effect. I think she's been said in an email like it could last up to 10 years or something with the, it's like, yeah, fully stripping. I'm just taking notes here, so. Yeah. I would just clarify this with Kamal. I mean, I think that's really the person to go to at this point and just really tell him what we're thinking about doing and just make sure he's still on board, that these are the two options. Obviously, we prefer the long-term real solution and then spin your wording carefully to push heavily for the good solution. I mean, it's a small piece pot of money one way or the other. I mean, I don't know how strapped the cultural council will be this year. GMC was in decay pretty strapped, but. I didn't say that. I just said I know they think about partial funding. Yeah. Okay. How much are we talking about? Under 2000, we think for the full repair, maybe under a thousand for the short-term repair, maybe about half of the short term, but we don't know for sure. Yeah. And sometimes, again, the electrical box project just being my main point of reference. I think two years ago, we maybe asked for 2000 and we got the 1500. So there's usually some percentage of that full amount that we've received for either the public art commission work or even for art site plus, there's usually, we've never gotten 100% of our ask. Well, that's good to know because we know for sure we're getting zero from the town. Paul said no money from the town. But let's say we get 75%. We might be able to get it from the Dickinson, you know, if it's a few hundred dollars or I don't know, I mean, I just want to get out there, but. Right, right. Exactly. So that would also be something to think about talking to Jane about. There might be individuals. So sure. Is there a way to do a 501C3 contribution? People can make donations to, there is a way that, the way things are set up now, I believe people can make donations to 501C3. Well, be to the town. There's some, there's some charities that can only give to organizations that are organized under 501C3 of the interim revenue. Well, right. Yeah, yeah, we have the individuals can. So anyway, that's something to think about. There's been a lot of discussions in the past about whether there should be a separate organization set up that was an on-profit. And in fact, you know, there is one now in town. It's the one that's run by, by the bid. So it might be possible to partner with them for something like this, too. So that's another thing to think about. We want to start our own. It's a very long process. I certainly can't get it done now. Right. Yeah. We debated this a lot in the dog park committee and decided ultimately not to form a nonprofit. There were a lot of reasons for it. Ellen. Yes. Would we also want to possibly include the cultural district as a partner or, you know, a supporter because that is in the cultural district? Right. Okay. So, so they're located within the newly, is it sort of newly designated? I might say within the boundaries of the cultural district. I don't think newly designated adds anything to the persuasive field. What you're doing is you're talking about community support when you say that. That's the, that's what I think the persuasive aspect of that is. You know, third party support. And I think the full is Amherst Center Cultural District. Yeah. You have an expert that can comment on the art or the repair or anything like that so that you can appeal to the expertise. Is there someone that could say, yes, this would enhance blah, blah, blah, whatever. Well, I think we, we are all saying it will. Yeah. I know, but I'm just going down, you know, I teach persuasion theory, so I'm going down my checklist. That's all. Well, let me just, before we jump to that, do we want to get the support of the Amherst Cultural District and who is the, the head of that? Is that Ann? Right now it's Ann, yeah. For the year. I'm not sure. I was going to some of those meetings. I haven't been to one recently. I could, I could reach out to Ann. I personally think the more community support you get, the more likely you already get money. I lost something here. I lost the sentence. I gotta look that one up. I mean, actually, we could just appeal to her as chair and say what she is chair, just be willing to write us a short note saying, because I don't know when they're at the next meeting, because they would then have to get together as a full meeting and vote on it. I'll just say what do you think? Even as an individual, it would be worth something. Sure. Okay. So, I'll do that. I'll do Dick and Ann. And you'll also do DPW. Do we want to reach out to Gabrielle at the bid? I think you should. I can do that. So, if you've got the bid and, and you've got DPW and, and one other person, that's pretty good. Yeah. And the Dickinson Museum. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty good. When we reach out, Bill, should we just ask for what do you think, like a letter of support or just an email of support? I think we just need to say we have or APAC has received letters of support from. Yeah, that's it. Okay. Does it have to complicate the easier, the shorter, the better, because it's easier to get. Okay. Yeah. I don't want to like bog anyone down or make anyone feel they're committing to anything major or they have to give lots of money, because they're being strapped at the moment. Actually, if you go and ask for a letter of support and they give it to you and you want money, you're much better off having asked for a letter of support and got it than when you go back, you're more likely to get money. And if you'd ask for it up front. Okay. Yeah. And I think an email is fine. Unless we want something on letterhead, but I don't, if we're not going to submit it with the grants, I don't know that it's necessary. Yeah. I think they just want to know that we have it. And we can even put the names in, like Jane Wald at, you know, Executive Director of the Dickinson Museum, Gabrielle, I don't know who all these people are. So the, I was just going to say something to keep in mind. We apply, we get some money, just to kind of put in the back of our heads again with Florence Bank when I talked with them about possibly being on the jury for the electrical box project. They, the branch manager here, did indicate that, you know, they are interested in supporting events projects. So that's just something to keep in the back of our minds of if we're looking for other financial sources or support. They've expressed an interest in Yeah. Go to that. We don't get the grant. Right. The possibility. Or if we need, yeah. I think you're going to get a grant. I'm not sure you'll get all of the money you need from this one source. That's the thing. Did anybody have ideas about promoting the project to the community? I just made this up. I know there was. I was wondering about that too. I mean, certainly right now we don't know how much in person we would be able to do, but I do think if there is something that ties into like you've got there, you have some sort of gathering or a little event that that again brings the community together, which is is often what the council is very supportive of. I would say we really can do a tie-in when it's done assuming COVID is passed a little bit with the Dickinson. That could be a good thing if they had some kind of other, because it's a close to where they are anyway. Something to ask Jane about might be a good synergy there. You could have an installation ceremony when it's done. Yeah, that's what I'm writing. What a good idea. No, I don't know. I got it from you guys. Little poetry. Maybe we could have somebody dressing up like Emily and Robert. They can watch themselves get reinstalled. That was a guy though. He went around impersonating people. There must be a woman that does that. There was a woman just as a side note. Yes, there was a woman and Ann Tweedy would be able to clarify who this was when the trolley was around for Art's Night and she would dress up as Emily Dickinson. There you go. There's some guy that's a Mark Twain impersonator I think or something like that and various other people. It's really pretty cool. Yeah. Ellen, I looked at the original, the one where you said you lost the sentence. I don't see it on the copy that you sent us. It's probably on my computer at work. Okay, yeah, because mine is, yeah, there's nothing after that dash. Okay. I'll just, I can reword it. Okay. I think it looks really good. Thank you. I think we just need to get those support. So we're not saying we will solicit support, but we have the support. And I think I just need Soshana to, I feel, you know, I just don't feel confident until I have better sense from her that this 1300 plus, you know, I would just like, I know it's hard to make an estimate, but I'm sure he's done it before. So, and I have photographs. You should probably get that, you know, we need a written, all the stuff that's oral. I would recommend to be in writing, including estimates. Okay. Oh, here, guess who's here? That is good timing, Soshana. I can stop sharing this. Amazing. Oh, you're back. Soshana, join us. Okay. So we are just at the tail end, but it is the perfect time of discussing. I sure we should have waited till you were here. I apologize. The poetic dialogue grants. And we wanted to really talk to you about Kamal and getting back in touch with Kamal and getting a better, an updated number from him. Yeah, I'm actually still working on, I talked to him this morning. And because I was looking to see if I had gotten a new invoice from him and I did not. And so I called him and he's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to get it too. So probably some time today. Great. And I'll email it to you guys when I get it. Great. Thank you. Perfect. So we were looking at the draft that Ellen had sent us of the grants. And did you have any comments you want to make on that before we move on? If you didn't have a chance to look at it, that's fine. But if you did and you have anything you want to add, or you could shoot her an email later, if it's just to her. I haven't looked at it yet. Okay, no problem. No, we had a good discussion. All right. Anything else on this before we move on? Thank you all. Great. Thank you for putting it together. Yes. Thanks so much. Okay. Electrify Amherst. The third round of Electrify Amherst is done. All of the paperwork is in. The money should have come into our account, gone out of our account. So actually, Shona, I don't know if you've had a chance to check. We'll come back to you for Treasurer's Report. But I had been in touch with Holly before Thanksgiving two weeks ago. Amy did all the paperwork for me, basically. And Shona came over and signed it. And I put it all together in a package, dropped it off in town hall, boom, boom, boom. And Holly said everything went out. So hopefully, while the money came into our account, and then the checks went out to the artists. Amy, have you heard from a new artist? No. No. And then, you know, I guess it's what, two to three weeks for the town to process and all that. So I have not heard anything. So I guess the question I have is, we're applying for poetic dialogue for the cultural council grant, which is what we usually apply to for elective amherst money. Does this mean we're going to pause elective amherst or see our work on that is done for now as we move on to other things? Or is there any thoughts on that? My sense. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. I think we felt that poetic dialogue should take precedence this year. But I don't think we discussed ending the project necessarily, but just asking for this to the cultural council to fund this project. I don't know. We should maybe discuss if we, if this is something we want to look for other funding for. Sorry, Amy, you were going to say something. No, in a similar line of we were, yeah, maybe pausing is the right word. But having gone through it for the three years and just switching gears to something a little different and certainly going forward with it, it moves into who else starts running the project. Because I think there will be some changes on the committee at some point. So as terms are up for different people. And then I think too, the other question was we did the boxes for three years. Did we want to think something bigger like the mural or, but I think poetic dialogue was brought in because we had applied for funding through other avenues. And that didn't work. And there is a definite need to get the repairs done on that piece. And it's, you know, right there in the cultural district. So it seems like we pretty much agree that for the moment electrify embers is on pause. And this will come up later in our meeting, but yeah, we're definitely looking toward getting some new members on board hopefully sooner rather than later. And so that's part of the piece puzzle for me also a big part of the puzzle is percent for arts, because there's going to be a ton of work to do on that in the next year. Just getting prepared for it, let alone executing it as it ramps up for the school building and possibly the library, still not clarified. So it seems like a good time to sort of pause that and wrap up this very old piece of the poetic dialogue if we can get that back up to speed. Yeah, I actually just got a text from Kamal. It's not a written invoice yet, but for the removing of the piece and doing like the resurfacing that lasts for like a decade would be 1400. Okay. Do we ask for 2000? Anyway, well, we can figure that out, but that's a good question. Oh, go go go bigger and right. Well, because because that's one one quote. Well, anyway, yeah, I mean, Yeah, the camera and say it's going to cost 2,000 it is 1400. Right. Okay, anyway, so are we agreed that that's on pause for the moment to be discussed with incoming members in the pile of possible things in the future? I think that's fine. I think so. Yes, I love the project and I'm happy with all our boxes, but I think it's fine to pause it for now. Yeah. Okay. So what would walk gallery proposal is Paul never followed up. You know, here's the thing about Paul. I'll get his attention, have attention briefly, and then things don't always get done. So but I don't necessarily want to keep bugging him constantly either. So nothing had been done last I spoke with him, which was about three weeks ago. I will ask him once again, what might be happening with that because that's another long, long, even long understanding piece under our purview that is just, you know, out there doing nothing that I would really like to see something happen with. So we'll insist that you could get involved. It might be wanted to push it because that that person probably has fewer balls in the air and probably more time. No, because it has to go to the lawyer and Paul is really the the person who authorizes that. And I think the those windows was also something else that might be grant funded through, you know, if we're moving from the electrical boxes, that might be another big project. If we decide to turn it into an outdoor gallery as we're thinking about doing or something, or even if we're going to restore it, you know, that's going to cost money. So whatever happens with that will also be another potentially medium sized project. Let's say show us as a extra little, you know, interesting tidbit about the about that. I was talking to somebody recently about like, you know, what is the Amherst public art commission and that was actually the first thing that popped in their mind was that old defunct thing. And so like that's actually like the image in people's minds of what the Amherst public art commission is, is this broken thing that doesn't. And ironically enough, that was not a public art commission project. So it's not, we had nothing to do with it. It fell in our lap after it was done and didn't work, but it was not originally a public art commission project. So that's sad. And all the more reason why we should turn it around if we can. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So moving on to percent for art, no news there. I think I'm going to mention this maybe not the last time I talked to Paul, he had suggested Sean Mangano is a possible person for me to work or us to work with. He's the finance or actually forget what his title is, but he he's in finance. He was with the schools focused on schools and now more broadly, I think for the town. He's a young guy, very smart, great guy, would be good to have as our touchstone. Doesn't know much about the arts though, but that's something that we could supply. So one of the things that we should do moving forward is set up a meeting between maybe myself, whoever in town hall is going to work on this. And then Lily and shoe from Cambridge who runs their program and just start to get a list of best practices down and really because, you know, we need to come up with a set of guidelines or how to run this thing. Before we're just charged with running it, I think if we can. So moving forward, that's something I'd really like to concentrate on in the next six months is trying to lay as much groundwork as we can. 4% for art before it's a suddenly dropped in our lap and we have to make this thing happen. So that's really where my head is. I mean, as you guys know, I've been really focused on that project for a while anyway. Any questions about that? Do we have any updates for PR? I know you had reached out to Brianna. Yeah, we did do a press release. I worked on that with her quite a bit. I don't know that she ever pushed it out. This was leading up to Thanksgiving, so I should double check. But there was a press release. We were going to actually use that also as a recruiting tool for new members, which I guess I'll come to with plans for moving forward. But that's good to remind me and I should reach out to her again. I'll make a note of it just to see where we are. Yeah, because there was a nice, well, maybe you guys didn't see this. In fact, I should send it to you all. There was a really nice article on it published in the Mass Municipal Society's online journal, but that's like a big like every local government that's like they're all under the umbrella of this nonprofit that really connects all of these towns together, especially for smaller towns. It's a really big deal. Paul is a huge proponent of it. All the town counselors go to their big yearly meeting. And so they wrote a quite a long nice piece about our percent for legislation. So that'd be great. I was interviewed. Andy Steinberg was interviewed. Somebody else puts all share that with you guys. Yeah. Because if there's a link, we could put it up on our Facebook page too. So that's separate from the press release then? That's separate. Yeah. This was just an article that they contacted me about. But we haven't gotten a lot of other press. There was a small mention in Mass Live. But this is something that I think could have had, there's so many other big things going on relative to COVID. But it's a nice piece of news. And if we had somebody doing PR for us or press for us, which we don't know if we were better at those kinds of things, I could imagine the globe covering it and other bigger papers covering it. But it hasn't happened so far. No one can do it a little another rollout for it. When we have our guidelines and everything. Yeah. Okay. Town Hall Gallery. Amy? Still just doing the online feature for our artists. Our current artist, Chris Bordenka, he shares. Because there's a post that goes up every week with one of his images. And that leaped out to some other blog that he was featured in or something. So he's been very good about doing some of the promoting. So that's kind of where we're at right now. And I think that's where we will be staying for the near term. Just offering that option to the artist for the online exhibit. And it does tie back into the social media. So as I said, that goes out on Facebook. Otherwise it's kind of quiet. It's just kind of holding its own that we have plans moving forward. So that speaks to us being two members down. And Angela got in touch with me recently about scheduling interviews. And then she looked to see how many of the community activity forums, the CAFs were filled out to be on our crew. And there was only one, but it's one very good potential applicants. So I'm excited and hopefully we'll be able to schedule an interview with her. She's still interested. Who knows how the interview will go or if she'll accept, et cetera, et cetera. But at least we have one good candidate in the pool. But we do really need to shake the tree and get more applicants. And because at some point, I know they're allowing people to extend their membership on town boards for a while because of COVID. But at some point, Ellen and Amy are due to rotate off. And we should be seven, not five. And if we're down two, that'll leave us with three. So we really can't function as three. So we need to get some good new blood on board. So if anybody has any thoughts about what's to reach out to people, I mean, I'll do a little bit of that myself. Yeah, there was the person, I don't recall her name, who relatively new to the area, UMass art history. And I think, yeah. And I did a follow up with her email wise, but I didn't get a response back. I don't know if she went and looked at the forums or reached out to you or or she got the email and I don't know about that either. But if I think of anybody, I'll certainly encourage them. Yeah. Okay. Well, all of you do the same. I know I'm trying to like rack my brain. I can't come up with anybody, but I'll rack it more. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the things I am thinking is that percent for art and working on that I mean, that might be a turn off for some people, but it could be a real attraction for people because especially if you have, like I do, you have kids in the elementary school or the school system, the idea that you'd be able to contribute to or, you know, the library as well, potentially a permanent work of art, you know, either there's places is a, in my, to me, that's very attractive, obviously. I mean, I, you know, so I think if we pitch it that way that we might get more applicants. You know, I think with COVID. I'm sorry. Can people who have rotated off come back on? I think Paul is not super inclined to do that. I don't know that there's any rule against it. Okay. Did you have somebody particular in mind? No, I was just thinking about Eric because of the. Baby, and he might be, or he might just volunteer his time to help with the. I think I heard somewhere I, that when you rotate off, you have to do a year away and then you can come back. That's a normal rule. Yeah. Yeah. Like would you want to art historian? Sure. Okay. I'm an art historian. Okay. Come in. Another one. Sorry. We don't have anything against them. I didn't mean to exclude President Covey. But yes. All right. Let me see if I can, they need to be in Amherst though, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm thinking of photographers and I can probably get a photographer, but I'm trying to think of one in Amherst and I can. I believe that the, the woman who filled out this CAF is a, is a photographer. I mean, which is great. I mean, it doesn't, you know, we've had lots of photographers have one on now. I'm just trying to take the people I might go into that way. All right. That's it for me. That's all I have. Anybody have anything else? Just want to see if we can approve the minutes from October. You want me to pull them up or? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think I look at them, but I should just double check. Oh, sorry. One thing in the, in the form that you filled out for the cultural council grant that I found is it better to refer to me as William for formal things, although in the, in the minutes, not so, it doesn't matter to me, but just to me and the grant application. Oh, okay. So don't worry about it for the minutes. Okay. So these are the October minutes. Can we just read them on the screen? I guess. Yeah. Okay. So we didn't do a treasurer's report. Oh, right. Oh, yeah. Do you have an updated because show it to the money? Did you see if the money came in or out for the, with the grants? No, I didn't, I didn't, I haven't bugged Holly about it. So maybe that's worth doing for next meeting. Okay. I'll do it for next meeting. And yeah, we'll be able to see what kind of stuff came in and out. That was pretty much it. Yeah, looks fine to me. Yeah. Move it, we approve. I second. All in favor. Okay. Hi. Approved. Excellent. Thank you. So then the last thing is scheduling our next meeting. I do apologize for dropping the ball on the schedule for this meeting and having it rescheduled. It seemed to work out okay, but I do apologize. So let's see if we can find a time for the next meeting. And I will, or do we want to actually schedule further out than that? I don't know, but at least for the next meeting, get into the, well, nobody's really traveling. Well, maybe they are. I don't know, but toward the end of December, I don't know. Do we want to move one to January? Like early January or I guess the question is we have the grant. Mm hmm. Do on the 15th, do we want to have a meeting on the 14th in two weeks? Is there any reason to do that? Actually, I think the grant is due on the 14th. Oh, okay. So, so then we'd be looking at the 21st potentially. The 28th or the 4th. 4th for me. Yeah, I don't have any strong. Yeah, I might be taking off the, I mean, I'm not going anywhere, but the 28th is, you know, the kids are home and whatever. So, well, they're always home. I have an appointment on the 4th in North Hampton at one. So we'd have to either do it like earlier or another time. Do you want to do the 21st? We'd do the 21st. That's also winter solstice. Oh, perfect. I need to something perk ourselves up. Yeah. You're going to say in the end we can celebrate it's over. I feel like we live in Alaska. It's dark so early. 21st is fine for me. All right. Do we want to schedule out after that or should we just be doing one month at a time at this point? Just do one month. I'm okay. Just doing one at a time now. Yeah, that's fine. Just 12 to ones again. Yeah. I mean, I've scheduled until two, but I've tried to keep it to an hour on Zoom. Okay. Noon on Thursday. Wait, no, I've got the wrong month there. December. So we have our Monday. So, Ellen, you're going to be doing a lot of things behind the scenes for this grant. I'm doing a few things. Shona as well. We'll get you our pieces individually. You can reach out to us individually. If you need anything else. No, I'll reach out to Jane and Gabrielle probably this afternoon. Just get that going. Okay. And I'm going to reach out to Guilford and end Tweety. And then Shona, you're going to help with Kamal. Yeah. And when you reach out to Guilford, I guess when Eric reached out to him two years ago, he agreed to help with the landscaping. And I keep forgetting if, you know, because they planted hundreds of daffodil bulbs as part of the installation and there was a walkway that's now been overgrown and you can see parts of it. But I just don't know how much of a commitment the DPW wants to make to helping restore it. Does it need to be restored? Or can't we just say make it look nice? Sure. Commit to making it look nice. There used to be, there was metal edging along the pass which were gravel, which had now sunken and the gravel is mixed with grass. So you can't really see where the pathways were. Much nicer if that were back. Yeah, we do have the maps of sort of how it was laid out and you can kind of see it, but it's not obvious at all the way it once was. It led from the sidewalk and wrapped around the sculpture. And then, yeah, they planted hundreds of daffodils, which I don't think DPW, we wouldn't ask them to do that. But I can't even recall in the spring if the daffodils are still blooming Who planted? Yeah, their photos, then it was just like a field of daffodils it was really Do we know who planted them? It was part of the original design, I think. So maybe that's where we need the more money. Or the garden club or I don't know. But seriously, if we're going to ask for 2000, we ask for the extra money for the landscaping. Okay, right. And then if we don't get back on the landscaping, which gives them an out. Yeah, yeah, that's perfect. I like that a lot. Should there be money for like print and advertising to you know, have some sort of re-release of it to the public? And boy, that's a tough sell. Yeah, I think we could just do social media, if we can, a big push on social media. And maybe, yeah, a nice article in the local papers. And Amherst Media might come out. Yeah, there you go. They might do something for us. I could do something for us. Okay, I'm going to run one. If you talk to that guy blocking on his name, there's a guy that handles art stuff. Steve, Steve Farmer. Steve Farmer, yeah. So I would say then the 1500 is for the, it's Kamal's quote or 1400 and then the five or 600 is for landscaping. And then the DPW helped with the physical restoration of the site. And they're going to do that gratis, something like that. Yeah, yeah, excellent. That's beginning to sound pretty substantial. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, if you have the photos that show all this fabulous greenery or yellowery or whatever. Yeah, that might be interesting to include in the grant is sort of what it looked like at the dedication and what it looks like now. I have, I think, three photos from you, Shoshana. And I have some I took with you two years ago. So, I mean, anybody walking by it will know it's not, you know, it's in deplorable condition. So, well, you know, visual approach to the Polar Cart Commission's request for money seems entirely appropriate and very effective. Yeah. All right. All right. Chance, I hope. Thank you. I think some of the, the comments you guys made were very helpful too. So, thank you. All right. All right, everybody. Thank you again. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.