 We have everyone here that needs to be, so we're good to start on time. Sounds good. Yeah, I was just waiting until like we had 15, 20 seconds left. That's all I really did turn on their stuff. Thanks. So that being said, if all board members could turn on their cameras, we'll get rocking and rolling here in about 10 seconds. And with that, it is 430. So I'd like to call the regularly scheduled meeting of the City of Santa Rosa Design Reboard to order. Remind everybody why we're here in the virtual setting. Pursuant to government code section 54953E and the recommendation of the Health Officer of the County of Sonoma. Design Reward members will be participating in this meeting via Zoom webinar. Members of the public can participate virtually by navigating to www.zoom.us or by dialing toll-free 1-877-853-5257 and using the meeting ID 876-2004-5098. Public access to the meeting is through the Zoom platform and the public can provide comments during public comment periods. Additional information related to meeting participation is available at the city's website at srcity.org slash design review board. The meeting will be live streamed at the city's Legistar website, santa-roza.legistar.com slash calendar, click on the in progress link to view. The meeting can also be viewed on Comcast channel 2928 and on the city's YouTube channel www.youtube.com slash city of Santa Rosa. So with that, I'd like to go back to the recording secretary for a roll call. Let the record reflect that all board members are present. All right, excellent. Approval of minutes. So we've got two sets of minutes here, September 15th and November 17th. Did anybody see any issues with those minutes? Okay, I saw one and it was just in the number from the cultural heritage board in the September 15th meeting. It said present for, but there were five board members present, I think one, two, three, four, five. Yeah, Muser, Prettellus, Boren, Fennel and Garrett. So there were five, four, but not four. And that's the only error I saw. So seeing no other errors, I guess we'll enter that into the record. So I'm good. All right. So at this time, I'd like to go to item number three, public comment. This is a time when any person may address the design review board that is listed on the agenda. But within the subject matter or the purview of the city center as a designer group, excuse me, city center has a design review board. You may comment on agenda items when they're called. Each speaker is allowed three minutes and I'll turn it back over to the recording secretary to tell you how to raise your hand and gain access for public comment. If you should make a public comment, you can do so by selecting the raise your hand icon at the bottom of your zoom screen. If you're calling in, please press star nine. All right. So seeing no public comment, I think I'd like to close public comment this time. So we'll bring it back to board business. And this is where we read the statement of purpose of the designer review board. I get that open real quick. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This comes from the zoning code chapter 2052.030 F project review. The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general. View shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan. Any applicable specific plan, applicable zoning code standards and requirements consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines. And the proposed plan can be used in the city's city policy statements and development plans. And with that, we'll move on to item 4.2 board member reports. Are there any board member reports this evening? Nope. With that, 4.3 other, I don't think we have any today. Item five department reports. Amy. Department reports. Hi. Thank you. Chair Weigel. We do not have any department reports today. So, unfortunately, I have to recuse myself from item 8.1, which is a concept design review for MCM at Santa Rosa, not a project located at 3991's pastapole road. The architecture firm that I work for has a project immediately adjacent to this parcel. And because of that, I felt like it would not be in, you know, the best interest of myself to to to chair this item or comment on it just because we have something immediately adjacent to it was a pretty rare thing for that to happen. So that being said, we'll go to item seven consent items, which we don't have any. And then we'll go to item eight, which is 8.1. And this is item 8.1 concept design review MCM at Santa Rosa, not a project at 3991's pastapole road, DR 22-047. And I need a motion to continue this to a date certain, but I need to confirm with our board liaison on that date. So, Amy, what was the date that we were going to propose? Plain or two minutes, please jump in. If I have this wrong, I think I want to make sure this is the date that you discussed with the applicant. We were talking about the second January meeting. So that would be January 19th of 2023. Yes, I think that day will work. Okay. All right. So I'm looking for a motion to continue item 8.1 to a date certain of January 19th. Before we go to that motion, Drew, is there any, is there an opportunity to give any comments or advice to the applicant team being that this is a concept review in light of the fact that it's being extended, or is that something, I just have a couple of comments that might make this a better concept review in January? I mean, I'm going to, what might be helpful, Michael, is maybe what we've done in the past. An applicant can always reach out to a member of the board independently. And so I think if you've already got some thoughts queued up, I think it maybe makes sense for Plain or two minutes to connect the applicant with you. That way, perhaps they can take your feedback if you have any between now and then and try to maybe update it, or at least have some thoughts on your feedback. I think that should not be the best approach, just in my opinion. I don't know, what do you think about that? Yeah, that sounds great to me. And, you know, they're not going to be comments that relate to anything that is in the package or that other board members wouldn't know. It's a couple of comments about, again, like I said, I think hopefully having a better opportunity to review the project when we do see it in January. OK, Kristen, does that seem like a good plan? Yeah, I think that's fair. And it will give the applicant team time to respond or absorb the comments. Yeah, because at that point, they would just become expert discussions if they're individually done correctly. They're correct. Correct. Yeah, as long as it's just a board member or vice chair, and the applicant independent, you know, individually violating the product. So many disclose that he met with them. And I'd encourage Kristen, that we have had a chance to look at this. So, you know, this could be a good time for the applicant team to reach out to the board members if they want any feedback before the next one. I'll relay that because I don't believe they're in attendance tonight. So, OK, relay that to them. Yeah, it'll be a short it'll be it'll be a short tape to watch. So. Exactly. Yeah. All right. So with that, obviously, we have to continue this because I have to accuse myself because I have to accuse myself. We lose quorum. Therefore, we cannot act on an item, even if it is a concept design item. So with that, I bring it back looking for a motion to continue item 8.1 to a date certain of January 19th. I'll move to move item 8.1 to a date certain of January 19th. Excellent. I'll second that. All right. And a second from board, I'm sure. All right. I don't think we need it. I guess we need a roll. I've got a question. I don't know. I've got a question. If there's just four of us and we come to January 19th and there's still four of us, we're going to have to continue this again. Sort of. So there is a there is a pathway forward. OK, could you explain that, please? Yeah, it's a little complicated and it requires some additional things. But it's called the rule of necessity. And it can be used to assemble. I'm reading an email from the city attorney to me. It can be used to assemble a quorum for the. It's it's a where an official has a conflict of interest. The official may participate if his or her participation is legally required. The exception is the rule of necessity is very narrow. And it basically is saying if there's no other board member present to help make the decision with the purposes of the statute or authorizing the decision. So there's a there's a way forward. There's some additional things that I have to do. OK, we just didn't have enough time to kind of do that for tonight. But what I'm hoping and I think what what Amy is hoping for is hopefully we'll have maybe one or two new board members appointed here in the next couple of weeks with our new council members. And hopefully that will solve the issue. OK, thank you. Got to get our former colleague to get his acting gear. He's been on the job for two days now, right? Yeah, yeah, right. This should be top of the list. Yeah, it should be. Yeah. And so again, this is this is a very unique situation again. It does not happen often. I think I very rarely have to recuse myself. It just so happened that this project is immediately adjacent to a project that we currently have on development. So unfortunately, I just didn't feel really good about chairing the meeting on this project. So so with that, we've got a motion and a second on the table. And I think we need a roll call vote, right? To continue. OK, so turn it over to the recording secretary for roll call vote. And I'm pretty sure I can vote on a continuance. I just can't vote on the actual item. That is correct. Board Member McHugh. All right. Board Member Sharon. Aye. Vice Chair Birch. Aye. Chair Weigel. Aye. So that passes with four eyes. All right. So we have a continued item to January 19th. Thanks, everybody, for doing that and bearing with us, as we don't have to do that very often. Again, it is a little bit of an oddity. So thank you for for doing that, for jumping on for a couple minutes here. And then with that, we're at adjournment. And so this is our last board meeting of the year. So happy holidays. Enjoy time with your families and friends. Take some time off from work and sitting on city boards. And hopefully we'll see everybody next year revived and refreshed and ready to go. Well, happy holidays to everyone. So thank you. Happy holidays. Happy New Year, everyone. Thanks to the team as well. Yeah, thanks for all the work you guys have done this year. Happy New Year, everyone. And just to reiterate, thank you, staff, for all the support. And thanks very much. We'll see everyone in the new year. All right. With that, I think we are adjourned. So have a good one. Happy New Year. Have a good one.