 Create in another room though the crate is in my office where I am now. Yeah, so so at night He he he knows I sleep in a different room like no zero problems there So he's going into the crate to go to sleep because you're in the room I bet if that crate is in a different room from where you're you're watching TV But it's not even the TV room. Oh, it's not okay. All right. All right I mean this room in here right now the the studio Is not where like the TV is in a different room. So he goes into your studio to sleep. Mm-hmm. Gotcha Yeah, and he likes it Sure, he's not podcasting Like okay, she's way into the TV show time to do my secret podcast Well, because you know, I I told you guys last week that He figured out how to bust out of the crates, which is yeah, I don't even know What to do with that whole thing? So I I kind of been like all right Well, if I'm gonna be gone for like an hour or two, I'm just gonna leave you I'm gonna put you in the crate, but it won't be locked and I'll be back when I'm back and let's see how it goes well in the course of that a shoe and a Headphone we're eating sure But I don't know I feel like he's sorry He probably is he probably just did it out of frustration and boredom Yeah, they never do it out of actual malice, you know Oh, no Like you could tell like right away like when I walked upstairs because I had like these stairs before I come up to my Living room like he was at the top of the stairs like wagging his tail like in a way where I'm like, what did you do? You've been something and I know you did something, you know, and he was like, I'm sorry I hate your shoe Your shoe was pasty. Thanks for leaving it out for me So I was like, you know, I don't know. All right, though. She was very like four years old. I guess they're none Oh Always something fun. Oh Always something Well, so Roger, how was your weekend? Kind of slow Went drove an hour to go see my uncle and came back in half an hour. Yeah, the thing hmm at dinner saw my other uncle It was there An uncle weekend. Yes So, yeah, it was all my mother's my mother's Mother's sides are seven kids So, well, that's a lot. Yeah, you call a number of uncles like that. Is it a gaggle of uncles? Uncle a bunch a bunch of uncle bunch of uncles Okay, a murder of That's when Roger gets tired of his uncles And then Ellie played with her cousin and they Yeah, you know, they're all they're kind of there are a lot of like they're only four or five months apart Well, I saw some photos that your lovely wife posted about Of of everyone with Santa and it was really cute. Ellie seemed very happy Yeah, it was kind of weird because She she really in she really enjoys it, but I don't think she understands Yeah, she understands who gives the presents, but she doesn't understand the spirit that it's supposedly this guy You're sitting in the next Man Derek Silva suggests a judgment of uncles A judge of them. That's a good one. Yeah, it's like a parliament of owls a judgment of uncles. All right, you guys ready ready right We have a lovely show filled with bread and wrapping Like just like the judgment of uncles used to prove I Would like to start in five Four three two Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly if you're not already become a DTNs member at patreon.com slash DTNs This is the Daily Tech News from Monday December 10th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and from L.A. County. I am we're the show's producer Roger chain Hey, and we have a show filled with bread Ramping and apps that spy on you and follow you around. No Literally, let's start with a few tech things you should know Each Chinese court granted Qualcomm a preliminary injunction preventing the sale and import of iPhone 6 Through the iPhone 10 quite a few iPhones Apple said that iOS 12 avoids the patent conflict And we'll continue to sell all models in China So it's a little bit convoluted at the moment the product of the patents that issue rather relates to resizing pictures and managing applications The for you tab in Google Maps is arriving for you on iOS and expanding to more countries on Android If you didn't already have it you can follow places or even neighborhoods and that tab will give you related news and Recommendations for you know restaurants new things in your area that kind of stuff The law school admission council which administers the LSAT Anybody who goes to law school knows it Is a test used by many law schools for admissions and has decided to administer all future tests on the Microsoft surface? Go the council found that iPads were too expensive and difficult to modify in Cromberg's Weren't high enough in quantity or quality the LSAT will go digital in July except for the writing sample Which is not scored and can be submitted separately. Yeah, not high enough in quality. I'm sure they could find plenty of them Not enough quantity and now quality Huawei pre-announced its Honor view 20 phone with a 48 megapixel image sensor in the now a trend Hole punch design that's where you have a full screen and just a little circle cut out for the camera The v20 will be fully launched December 26th in china and fully launched january 22nd worldwide Samsung also announced the hole punch design will be used on its galaxy a8 phones Which opened for pre-orders december 21st and xiaomi co-founder and president lin bin posted to weibo A picture of a device with the words 48 mp camera on it So 48 megapixel sensors. I think samsung and sony both make them also one of your new trends in phones Let's talk a little bit more about google plus while we still have a google plus to talk about Oh, let's do it google reports that a vulnerability Another one in google plus could have exposed the name and email address and occupation and age of up to 52.5 million users Two developers even if the account was set to private A lot of people are crying foul about that google says the vulnerability was uh only in existence from november 7th through november 13th It was discovered through standard testing and there's no evidence that any developers took advantage of it But it may have been out there google also says it'll shut down api access to google plus in 90 days And closed the network entirely in april it was originally august so Yeah They're uh, yeah, they're they're they're Good good idea to just shut it down if you're if you're still finding vulnerabilities I mean the fact is this is the system working. They have an ongoing system to look for vulnerabilities They found it. They shut it down in six days. They disclosed it Uh, they're fairly certain nobody took advantage of it because they found it first Uh, even if they had taken advantage It's not the worst, you know data breach. We have these days. There were no passport numbers involved or I think that's kind of crazy what you compare it to. Uh, but yeah, it does mean the end for google plus, I think And you know, I I don't know I'm bummed about the whole thing because at at the top At one time google plus seemed like a really great social network just didn't catch on um kind of kind of a bummer What's happened to it? Luke weston got some attention for tweeting his experiment in using vegemite on toast to create a working electrical circuit Vegemites ion from the salt and water content make it conductive Its viscosity makes it useful for drawing circuits because it comes out in a nice line Toasted bread makes a good insulator However, as much to pick up as this got boing boing posted it It was picked up at a few other places. This is not the first time it's been done I looked into it folks. I did research for you a video in 2015 from asus electrical materials Shows vegemite being 3d printed at the university of woollen gong onto bread Working as a circuit and even being eaten by the professor demonstrating it afterwards That professor is an author of a paper That was published in the journal of food engineering called 3d printing vegemite and marmite redefining breadboards How to unpack We were talking before the show like whether or not you like or don't like vegemite. This is amazing However, okay, so as you noted tom in 2015, this was already this has already been uh proven I've been into that before that too Sure probably um, so okay, um Uh Given the fact that it's it's gotten a lot of attention. Sure. It's gotten picked up by some pubs What can we expect from? From from from science such as this this this is the thing you're going to be tempted to complain and say this is joke science You the journal of food science I have some uh having been the son of a man who's subscribed to it Is a legitimate journal that is used to help Wrap your head about what's capable of food. This may sound silly But it could also lead to a kind of food that you would have never been able to use before or that can do cool things Maybe provide sensors. Maybe light up if it's spoiled or or maybe just novelty stuff. That's fun Uh, so this is practical. It's a question of can anybody make something out of it that the journal article was done The the tweet was just someone rediscovering a thing that not a lot of people knew and and looks fun and cool So I think I think it's all good. All of this is really good Where's the love of marmite? That's what I want. I like that the journal article actually includes marmite as like Hey, we're not going to pick sides here. Right. Benjamin and marmite both cool both both very cool in their own way Moving on paul therat's notes that the first feature that microsoft has committed to adding to chromium is ui automation providers That accessibility feature lets chromium based browsers on windows to seamlessly interact with accessibility client applications Like narrator microsoft's kyle add at olden rather said that on reddit That it's microsoft's intent to support existing chrome extensions on microsoft edge He also said that edge html the old edge engine will remain in windows for the foreseeable future so that developers Can move their w uh their uwp apps to chromium on their own schedule There's been a lot of talk about how this is all going to work now that edge is being edged out so to speak And in response to a question about edge on xbox, he wrote quote It is our intention to bring the next version of microsoft edge to all microsoft devices, which means Absolutely nothing. Well, it does mean it does imply that they'd bring it to the xbox, which would be kind of cool Sure. Yeah, it's sort of saying everything without saying anything and chrome on xbox could open up a lot of capabilities But like you say sarah When they say they'll bring it that means they'll bring it doesn't mean they'll bring it fully capable or exactly doing all The same permissions what sites will not work et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, but I think a lot of people would be excited I know rogers a big xbox user and might be excited to have A chrome based browser even if it's edged if it's also supported a lot of the plugins like remote desktop. Yes And that's the thing edge will support extensions Will they allow extensions to be installed on the xbox if they bring edge to the xbox? I don't know That's a it's a hard question to answer 50 years ago yesterday december 9th 1968 dougle engelbart douglass engelbart Gave what is lovingly referred to as the mother of all demonstrations He was a 43 year old stanford engineer at the time talking at a computer conference in san francisco at a time When computers meant room-sized stuff, right? We're not we weren't we weren't talking about desktop computers in 1968 he demonstrated video conferencing A desktop interface remember we're still talking the era of punch cards. He's showing a desktop interface word processing which was brand new hypertext The mouse which he called a mouse collaborative editing and a bunch of other stuff, you know, this was answering a question he had posed If in your office you as an intellectual worker were supplied with a computer displayed backed by a computer that was alive for you all day Remember, this is at a time when computers couldn't even be on all the time necessarily And was instantly responsible Responsive to every action you had how much value would you derive from that? They are still Mining this hour plus long demonstration for ideas today Uh, most of the practical ideas like the mouse and the interface have been developed But there's still sort of ways of thinking about how a computer would work That are still ideals that have not been executed from this And roger clipped out a piece of it to hear him when he's demonstrating the mouse for the first time Go ahead roger. Okay. There's don andres hand and mental park And in a second we'll see the screen that he's working and the way the tracking spot moves in conjunction with movements of that mouse I don't know why we call it a mouse. Sometimes I apologize it started that way And we never did change it We never have we still call it. I love that totally Uh, if you haven't ever treated yourself to the luxury of taking an hour Plus uh to watch this And you're into Computers at all you need to do it. It'll blow your mind to just think this is 1968 and he's showing you a modern computer He's showing you a mouse. He's showing you word processing. He's showing you google hangout video He's showing you uh google docs all all of the equivalents of those In 1968 This is before the internet launched that he's doing this Well before the internet launched the internet we all knew it as arpinette's gonna launch in a few months, right But but imagine being um, mr. Engelbart and and knowing what he knows and sort of seeing the future of it and and being constrained by the fact that uh, you know I don't know that the infrastructure doesn't actually support the vision that he knows is going to come to fruition sooner than later, right 1968 I mean it was about 1998 before a lot of the stuff Became real as far as the you know, the general public is concerned We hadn't put a man on the moon yet right When he demonstrated the mouse and word processing and video conferencing Uh, the other thing that's impressive about this the economist, uh, did one of their podcast episodes about this this weekend is the demo worked Everything worked right Which is a feat in and of itself if you've watched any any live demos at conferences these days So anyway, I thought it was worth pointing out very much. So also worth pointing out I would be remiss if I did not talk about rapper two milley being very angry because he says He's going to sue fortnight creator epic games for profiting off the dance The two milley says he created called milley rock now if you watch anything on instagram or otherwise You might be familiar with this and I don't mean to laugh Fortnight actually added a dancing feature called swipe it back in july milley says that's his dance and He thinks it's sort of like a copyright thing fortnight battle royales, of course the currently world's most popular game It's free to play. However, it rakes in about 200 million dollars a month from the sale of emotes The dance being one of them other cosmetic items in game another rapper Called block boy jb says My dance appears in fortnight as well. That's a little bit weird. It's not credited and actor donald phase on who was in The show scrub says that fortnight. I was actually using a dance that I danced in my show Back in the day as well law firm pierce main bridge is suing epic games for using the likenesses A former nfl player lens skip himmelton to create the character cold train for the gears of war video game series So well law to unpack here yeah, and likeness the likeness one is a little different because there are There's some good tested law around likenesses, but dance moves Dance moves individually like the milley rock are not copyrightable. No, that's the thing It's like well, okay, so if And if that's the case right if you say like that's my dance, but it's not copyrightable Okay, well, what do you do at that point besides, you know, sort of tisk tisk Choreography was added to the copyright act in 1976 choreography has to be one or two more than one or two steps together So in other words, you have to string together a bunch of moves uh Beyonce milley rocked in her super bowl performance He didn't mind because it was part of a bunch of other moves rihanna executed the move in a performance on snl Playboy carti used the move Uh in his song magnolia in 2017 and two milley even created a remix of that song What we're talking about here Is not that he's mad that they used his dance. It's that he wants to get paid Exactly because you know what he doesn't know them like he knows playboy carti And they're making games a lot of money off his move So this isn't about the law. I don't know how he's going to prevail in a lawsuit But it is certainly about him saying hey man, uh, you're you're making fat stacks out of this and I need to be cut in on that well, yeah, and um You know if if you don't have a legal leg to stand on in the situation, but you have I don't know. Um the support of uh folks behind you Fortnight is wildly popular. I mean does this make people play less fortnight? Probably not so You know, it's it's it's kind of a it's it's it's an interesting situation um, and Yeah Look mba2k 2018 used the milley rock to milley caught Contacted them and worked it out. So come on epic games Uh, I I I don't claim to know to milley's music Uh, but I will claim to know enough about technology and copyright law to say even though he doesn't Legally need to get paid He should get paid Do the right thing epic games pay to milley You heard it here folks Tom Merritt sides with milley To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com All right, let's talk about tracking Jennifer valentine or devries natosha singer michael h killer and erin krulik are all writers for the new york times who teamed up on an investigation into location data used by apps And found that location patterns alone Could identify some individuals despite being otherwise anonymized this reminds me of a story about 10 15 years ago About aol's anonymized data that they were making available for research and how you could use that To figure out who someone was based on some elements. This is just one element location But what they were able to figure out was Even though that's anonymous if it's connected to an identity an id tag You can tell like wait a minute. There's only One person who lives at this address going to this middle school I can look up an address on public records bingo bingo I know the people who live or own that house I cross-referenced that with the public information about who teaches school Now I know who that is and now I see from this record that this same id tag Goes to a dermatologist or goes to You know some some a bar Whatever you now can tell who that was This data Is generally shared for advertising purposes or an aggregated form is like a heat map for hedge fund investors Nothing wrong with that Sharing a heat map to say hey, this is where a lot of foot traffic is going up This is where foot traffic is going down can be very useful in lots of situations. The problem is That two things one You don't always know that that's what this is being used for because the pop-up will say Hey, we allow us to track information to show you your weather Or to give you traffic updates or to to give you news about your favorite your local sports teams And you think well, well sure as long as you're only going to use it for that That's fine. But that's not what they're only using it for even though down in their privacy policy. They may disclose It's not disclosed up front and a lot of people don't realize this is happening The other thing is if this data is not protected in this era of data breaches More malicious people could get a hold of it or even people within companies amazon just fired a bunch of people for For accessing data without authorization inside of amazon people could find out Who you are figure out who you are and track you by using this data Okay, so we were talking about this last week and and tom you made a mention that you know in this day and age I think we were talking about uh, the the starwood hotels breach it's like So so much of this, you know data is just it's sort of out there and it's unfortunate. It happens Live your life as though these sorts of things are public knowledge You know and you know and try to protect yourself because of that. Okay, so let's say That in this situation someone knows that i'm going to the dermatologist next monday, which I am I mean, what you know like how how does this like how is this? Going to affect me negatively. Why should I be afraid of this? And here's the thing it's it's just like privacy breaches You probably don't need to worry about it, right? But you should because you you never know Right, this this is the kind of thing that many people won't won't mind They'll be like, okay, so somebody knows I go to school every day. They could figure out where I worked anyway Yeah But what and I you know the reason that I bring this up is because I think a lot of people have the same sentiment Is like well, but like am I really in danger? The the truth is most of the time. No, you're not But you have to understand the implications of someone having this information about you that's very personal And and it's not about you if you don't care. I guess is the other thing It's about the person who said well, wait a minute. I don't like that I don't want people to know All of these things about me. I don't mind if they know where I work But I don't want them to know where I'm shopping without my permission I don't want them to know what businesses I frequent without my permission or You know, what if you're You're doing something legal on the sly or I don't know Maybe you're even you know cheating on someone doing something unethical but not illegal Should that be something that is becomes Knowledge to someone that you didn't authorize. I'm not trying to defend that kind of behavior even but Not no information is out there means that anyone could do something with it if they wanted to I feel like when we talk about these stories it always comes back to Okay, well If you want to be informed about uh, the the you know the data that is out there about you You can right? Um, this is what we're doing right now If you don't care How do we make you care About it. I mean if you don't care, we're not going to make you care. So the the question is First of all for the people who didn't realize see there's there's because there's a couple of classes There's the people who do care. They just didn't know they thought well, wait a minute. I gave the weather channel App my location to give me weather What else are they doing with it? You know that that needs you need to be aware that that could happen That's why I would never allow an app to access location data when you're not using the app Right and android and ios both have these settings where you can say even like google maps You you would say no to that Really? Yeah Unless it impedes the functioning in a way that you're like, you know what the risk of them Selling this data to somebody is enough. It's worth it for me to do this I don't want them to know my location when i'm not using the app Of course, I want google maps to to access my location while i'm using google maps But when i'm you know taking a walk around the block not using google maps They don't need to know that So turn that all off declare location bankruptcy and only grant permissions to anything that you really need it to have access to use I just did this today and I found a few apps that were always Able to access my location that I didn't realize they had that because was was there any app In that list that um is you know Widely used that you were surprised about no, it was probably a couple apps that had been on my phone for so long It was before you could allow them the middle ground option Also, assume any app asking for your location data will share it with third parties Don't don't be under the impression that they won't assume. They will until you know what And yeah, I think those those are the things I would do if i'm the person who cares If you're the person who doesn't care the question then becomes what role do we have in forcing companies to just be good citizens And safeguard this data And make sure is it public pressure? Is it auditing or is it just things like the new york times bringing to light the fact that hey this happens And you should put pressure on the companies if you care To alter their practices and disclose these things better Yeah, I actually uh went through this over the weekend because there's a dating app That I'd use for you know research purposes, of course um and um it was um asking me uh to you know use my uh location information Um whether or not the app was open and I was sort of like Okay, yeah, I sort of got that because there's like a heat map, you know that like that makes the app work better But that's a really good example of a company that probably does not have my my personal No privacy uh interest um In mind or at least at the forefront of you know their money making scheme So yeah, again, these are the sorts of things where it's a personal decision, right? But um if you're in any way kind of squeamish about the stuff It's important to know how many companies Um don't care about your privacy want to know where you are Um and we'll share that information with a third party company for money Yeah, um whether whether you're good with that or not that's on you But know it Yeah, and and take control of it if you if you care if you're one of the people who cares Uh speaking to people who care uh thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You guys care that very most you could submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Also, if you'd like to hang out on facebook, we've got good news for you We're there too facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show You know who's back amateur traveler chris christensen who has a report on high-speed rail coming to the u.s This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute If all goes well over the next 10 years, the us will join many other countries in having high-speed train service Won't be as extensive as you'll find it in other countries because of the size of the us But we do have four projects under construction or at least well along in development They include projects from los angeles to los vegas from miami to orlando san francisco to los angeles and houston to dalas Now all of these projects have run into some problems with money regulations or lawsuits So i wouldn't bet on all four of them happening Smart money is probably on los vegas to los angeles just because of the economic value of that line I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Hyperloop LA to lv What fun? Yeah Oh Because it's not far. It's a good all depends on where they are But it's almost always a huge hassle. It all depends on where they pick up and drop off though. Yeah Because there's a train to san diego. It's not high-speed rail, but it's pretty good But it's so the the pickup point is so far from where I live that totally It's like half the drive to san diego to get to the part in LA where I drop off. It's so true It's so true. All right. Well, um Sticking with some feedback. We got a real nice email from grace who um, I thought this was a good Email given the fact that we were talking about epic games early in the show Grace says the first thing I thought of when I heard your conversation last week about epic games and steam and discord is Oh, no another subscription tsunami. I'm talking about the current mess that is my hbo my hulu my amazon prime My nutflix my v rd v premium berb And you know and the like the logical next step for me at least Is that these gaming services will remain competitive if they're going to be competitive with one another To introduce memberships steam might say pay x per month to gain x Per percentage discount on games or become a member to access these exclusive games What's to stop the situation from happening or are these real life examples of similar software tech competitions where this didn't happen You guys sound optimistic about more options for gamers and game companies But all I can see is more camps propping up in the future Well, okay, uh, yes, that's possible And I have two responses to this one is also my response to the worry about streaming Which is we're still in the midst of the changeover From cable tv to streaming video and eventually that industry is going to shake out Which of these models work in which aren't and you'll have a more manageable set of options And and probably some manageable interfaces To to use amazon is is trying to work on this by including channels in their subscription Which makes it a lot easier to see what's going on apple's got their own thing with apple tv So give it some time My guess is with gaming it would be the same way and with gaming it even is all on your desktop In these situations. So we're not talking about cancel console gaming. We're talking about desktop at which point it becomes No different than just having a bunch of icons from different games separately installed to having You know three or four memberships until the point that it shakes out and you figure out better ways to manage this As well So I would hold off in being too fretful about it Uh until you really run into problems and then hope that these companies realize Hey when we're causing problems for more customers that means fewer customers Well, thanks for the email grace and thanks to everybody who sends us email And uh keep it coming. Yeah, uh, in fact our goal this month like every month is to get one more patron than last month And when last I checked we had zero more patrons than last month I mean, we had exactly the same number of patrons as last month. So, uh, the the call is for you Who are not a patron? 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It's like oh no, oh right because it's the it's the last x of the year It's that time of year. I I like this title But you can fight me on it dance dance restitution. Oh, that's good. I like that. I like that one too That's really good. That's really good. There were actually there were there were a couple that I saw earlier, but you know what? That's our let's give some love to the to the runners up. Well, there's also a legal leg to dance on to milley Bread wrapping and that's that spy on you that's just kind of a circuit of life That's the bread one right the Claire location bankruptcy. I know what you did last night That's all right. These are good. This is a good crop today electronics Vegemite the electronics snack Every app you take do you like the police on? I'll be watching you um The new mobile app mantra or mantra mantra location location location And uh another epic lawsuit, but I think we've done that before yeah, that feels dance dance restitution Dance dance restitution is definitely the one though. I love it. Um Good stuff guys. Thanks. I see you I see you Yeah, there's this you guys were on the ball to this morning or this afternoon or whenever it is for you So here's my question because I realized that I was like Vegemite me Um, I don't actually know the difference between mermite and Vegemite Besides the fact that I'm about to say something horribly controversial. There's not that much difference And I'm sure yeah someone who likes one and maybe not the other would say But they're they're both it's a regional thing Vegemite was made to make mar marmite in australia Yeah, but is it craft or craft that used to make it? Oh, I don't know we we went through this previously and I think craft Montreux on it or does that I can't even remember. I'm still on mantra anymore Well, I just you know I'm sure someone knows a lot about this and I would like to know because um In my mind, I'm like Vegemite too salty marmite. Okay, but maybe they're the same thing and I should It's actually saltier than marmite. Is it just Left over from brewing or no, yeah, it's brewers yeast. Yeah, they're both brewers yeast However, I have brewers yeast that's like, you know, like a like you shake it on stuff like salt It's Vegemite no because it Vegemite's made of brewers yeast. It's not just brewers yeast Right, but why is it so salty? I don't remember being salty. I just remember not. Oh, it's Incredibly wet it Is the is the thing you're not supposed to Well, so this is the thing I've been I've been told by other people who enjoy it Is that you post to spread it thinly on like a piece of bread or toast with butter with butter So this is the thing when I was there At the time my girlfriend or family just ate it straight out of the can or jar just like like a spoonful No, no, you just take it you just took like a knife and just put it on a half a slice of bread And you just eat it like no butter no toast no nothing Well, listen, that's fine But I feel like that's the sort of thing that would be akin to pouring salt onto a piece of toast and being like I like it It's very salty It just is you spread it thin enough on butter Then it's no different than any other kind of salty thing that you put avocado on it. Also, don't use it with salted butter I think that might that might help Right, I could be wrong about that. Hey listen. I'm you know, no judgments. I'm just saying it seems like If you like salt great Vegemite is made from leftover brewer's yeast extract with various vegetable and spice additives developed in Melbourne in 1922 And Was acquired by the Vega cheese group in January 2017 Which is interesting because you know brewers yeast is sort of in that probiotic family. So it's it's What's the left? You know in the yeah in the in the sense of kind of you know keeping the gut Active Marmite imports were disrupted during world war one And a They were and this company was given the task of developing a spread from the used yeast being dumped by breweries So wow, is that what they call a brewer's yeast? Yeah Vegemite was registered as a trademark that same year Using autolisys to break down the yeast cells from waste obtained from the Carlton and united brewery Concentrating the clear liquid extract and blending it with salt celery and onion extracts to power a sticky black paste All of that sounds great to me. However in practice It's been a while again Don't want to be you know, don't want to just miss something that I might like now But too salty just too salty. You had too much of it. That's my my thought that's probably what it is It is very concentrated and if you have too much you're only going to taste salt. Yeah I would suggest you switch over to peanut butter What about almond butter because I don't like peanut butter. I love almond butter. I love all buttered almond butter is like peanut butter, but better It's also not butter No, the same way that um almond milk is not milk right Didn't we just do this conversation And we did with scott. I think it was last week in fact. Um, yeah, we were talking about like why do we call it milk? What's milk? Are you milking my nuts dairy? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can you milk me? Hey, that sounds like a great, uh, uh, website. Well, that's a line. Can you milk me though? Right? Yeah I'm not saying that that was The famous Robert DeNiro one parents. Yeah, meet the parents. Thank you I have never watched that movie Well, that's why you don't get the reference then I'm sorry. You know, I'm not into old people Yeah, old people comedies That's what it looks like looks like an old person's well, you don't know because you've never seen it Doesn't matter. I've judged it to be so Well, so, um, I think um, we were talking last week about I don't know for some reason I Brought up like we were talking about pt. Anderson the director and I was like, oh punch drunk love. Um starring adam sandler Right, like which is like a married not con comedic Um, but good movie that I like And so then like I think in my Weird subconscious I've been thinking about adam sandler since then And I woke up this morning Not even joking with the Hanukkah song in my head And you know, which comes around during this time of year I haven't heard it that I can think of Anywhere on the SNL Christmas special recently, but that's one of those prime time things that's all right Like I definitely didn't watch that like I don't know but but I know the song and I I had to laugh because it's like um, the song is like Somewhat dated but not that dated. It wasn't like, you know, it's not a song from the 1950s or anything It's from the, you know, 1990s, you know, where it's like david lee roth I it's that manora where you're like How many kids know david lee roth even is I know who he is but like is that like Is that like a cool thing that you start off the song with? I don't know That's the problem with making your song too current Uh, perhaps perhaps killer line when that song is new, right? Um, right. I don't know. I I just I don't know. I I I never thought about, um What david lee roth's religion was personally? Um, and it's whatever You know, but that was I actually that was the point of the song was like, I bet you never thought about the fact Exactly or jewish. Yeah, right. Yes the well, and that's how he started like here A list of people that are jewish just like you and me Um, which is you know, it's catchy. Um, but When I heard it The other day or when I heard it in my mind because I like have it committed to memory. I was like that is Yeah, it's it's because it was a very beloved song like a time. I mean, yeah Yeah, yeah, and after david lee roth. I think the next one is dine ashore Uh, who is uh, no longer with us and really from a different out to the older members of the audience with that reference Now is the dead members of the audience with that reference Yeah, yeah, well and he even says the late dine ashore She was very much no longer with us. I don't know. I just think these things are very funny I don't know why they come up in my mind Well, when you reference dine ashore all I can think of is a johnny karson bit where he does the great What's you know the the mind reader the great karnak. Oh, yeah And there's a whole thing about dine ashore backing into a meat thermometer. It was just like part of his joke like, you know Because he does this thing where he says out something Like he gives you the punchline first and then he reads the setup, right because it's a little envelope cards I I just remember johnny karson and so the fact that we said dine ashore made you yes that triggered that particular memory Which is I mean, why did I wake up singing the hanukkah song? I don't know he's still funny Why is still funny well johnny karson is always going to be funny adam sandler depends But like You like as far as comedy I was in grade school when johnny karson was like big Right and so a lot of the jokes were definitely over my head When I was in fourth grade, but even you know even looking back 20 years later 30 years later Still freaking funny like a lot of those jokes still hold up Hmm You don't think so humor is very personal And they hold up itself easily they hold up for you Yeah, I am curious if other people would agree Because you know who dine ashore is for us. Well, that was just one reference, but it's that wasn't there are going to be other Things where you're like, oh, yeah, I get that that's funny and other people will be like, I don't know who that is Well, a lot of his jokes a lot of his jokes aren't people specific. They're just like, you know, I'd be curious What do you call a 400 pound belly dancer? What do you call A mable destroyer See, that's not appropriate these days It's it's also like just like is that funny? Yeah, I mean I get it You have to do is Someone who finds something funny that other people may not find as funny I find most things unfunny that people find funny Everyone finds it. I like for example, I don't find andam sandler funny Like When I talk to you guys about The movie that he had done that I you know, I I found it very Uh, I don't know. Um touching is because it wasn't funny. So I was like Okay, this guy has some range Because the whole I don't know golf Joke movies. I don't I can't even think of what they're called now like Not candy jack, but like the adam sandler. Oh, yeah I but like I don't like that stuff. It's just not it's not my bag But I don't think um, he's a bad actor He's you know, you kind of have to just like sometimes see somebody outside of there Most of his bits Weren't that funny, especially when he was on the weekend update desk and he did like the opera man or whatever I thought the opera man was sick. I thought they were just stupid. I didn't think they were this way stupid But they're still funny stupid funny Now examples of stupid funny are going to follow for audio listeners video folks. You're just the best Your your time is up. We love you very much. See you tomorrow