 Okay. Hey, this is Dan Stephanie Burke. You're watching behind the scenes divine intimacy radio. We're about to start a show a little bit of a retake with Monsignor Rosetti, who's the author of Diary of an American Exorcist We had some technical issues before so we're grateful for him coming back So if you're interested in exorcism and possession and all that sort of deliverance stuff hang with us for And we'll start the show in a minute. I want to tell you about a very important opportunity that we've never really made available to the public and that is I'll be leading with Stephanie's assistance a Study through introduction to the devout life. 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Francis the sales Who wrote introduction to the devout life last but not least and we'll get jumping in with Monsignor Rosetti the 2022 Avala summit Which is a summit on spiritual warfare and discernment of spirits which includes Bishop Strickland Father Dennis McManus who is you know top of the list amazing speakers on the planet Monsignor Rosetti of course who's with honest with us today on the show who wrote Diary of an American Exorcist, and I really think Monsignor Rosetti is also a pioneer in serving the church in deliverance ministry and Always worth listening to and following Kathleen Beckman who heads up the deliverance center in the Archdiocese of or the Diocese of Orange in California and written many good books on spiritual warfare and Stephanie and I will also be speaking about spiritual warfare in the family. So we do have a few tickets left 470 of our best closest friends Coming are coming to Washington, DC. Yeah, and So we have a handful of seats left. 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So with that, let's jump into the show Come on senior Rosetti and you ready in market. So go this Dan Stephanie Burke and You are listening to divine intimacy radio your radio Haven of brass your hermitage of the heart your monastery of the mind where we lift our hearts and minds to heaven to the great saints that have gone before us to the Magisterial teaching of the church all of which is ordered the entire divine economy Is ordered that we might come to union with God, which means freedom Liberation joy peace happiness in spite of all of our sin and how messed up we are and how messed up the world is We can live as lights and beacons of light in in this world no matter what's happened to us in the past and We have an expert with us to talk about how to get free from stuff that happened in the past Monsignor Rosetti, would you introduce him in a little more detail? Yep, absolutely Monsignor Steven Rosetti PhD is the president of the st. Michael Center for Spiritual Renewal and a research Associate professor at the Catholic University of America in Washington, DC a licensed psychologist and the author of several books Monsignor Rosetti has participated in hundreds of exorcisms During his journey to the priesthood. He experienced a spiritual episode in which quote in two seconds I learned 80 percent of what an exorcist needs to know close quote And he is the author of diary of an American exorcist Demons possession in the modern-day battle against the ancient evil. So welcome Monsignor Rosetti. Thank you for coming back It's great you with you both We're so grateful for you and for the ministry and that you Participate in that you you founded there in Washington, DC and So many people you're you're helping and and you're you guys have become Somewhat pioneers in using digital technology to help people get free both with the app and with The online sessions that you have and then the training you want to tell folks a little bit about, you know Why that all emerged? Maybe kovat had something to do with it. Well They say necessities a mother of invention the first time we ever did an online Deliverance session was with an individual who was actually possessed it and she was away And we had to do something and so we said well, let's pray over the person try it, you know I mean so we did and it was very effective So during kovat, of course, we did a lot more of that and then what happened was, you know, we've got 35,000 Subscribers right now and it's rocketing up So and we have we're flooded with requests and people say I can't find a priest. I don't want to pray over me What do I do? And so we said well, let's try it. I mean, let's let's pray over these people And we just did again last night. We had 6,000 people registered more and it was people said it was very powerful for them So we've done it several times you pray with them online. It's not an exorcism. It's a deliverance session But God is generous and the grace is given were astounding and so This is our way of helping those, you know, thousands of people that we just can't pray over individually. Yeah, that's really beautiful You know, it's it's helpful to anybody. They don't have to be possessed to Benefit from this. I know that a number of our team all kinds of people were you know connected to us and The Avalon Foundation in Apostoli VA our own son was on last night You know, he was listening and it's incredibly powerful. I've listened. It's really huge So I would encourage people to do that because it's just just really a myth It's it's the Lord's means of providing for his people when you know, there's a Dirds of resources in other areas. So, you know, if we're struggling we can reach out and we're just so grateful for you What's the URL that they you want? It's right there on the yes, the the The you the St. Mike. I don't see it. Oh Catholic exorcism. Or there it is. Jordan just dropped it in Yeah, Catholic exorcism work is where you can find this and the other thing I think you're doing is remarkable is Doing some training for priests as well. So I know we have a lot of priests that listen to this show mostly Not live streaming, but when it airs as they're getting ready for mass, we've been told many times I listened to you when I'm getting ready for mass Can you tell the the the priests listening and the folks who who may know priests who are interested? The about the online training that you have for them. Well, the first thing Dan is that You know, most priests get no training in deliverance ministry now for the first time I was asked to go to a seminary about a month ago and I spoke at the request of the rector was happy to do so and and the fourth year seminary is about to be ordained He said I've been here for four years. I've never heard a thing about this So we're sending our priests out into the field With zero training in this and what happens is that, you know, lots of people come after them and say a father Help me this help me with that and the priest goes You know, you're either crazy. I don't understand what to do with this I don't know if I mean they just throw their hands up and they say Talk to the actresses or something It's a part of our ministry. You know the before Vatican 2 When you ordained a priest you receive the the minor order of exorcist and and still it's part deliverance is part of every priest's Ministry now. Yes, you have to be appointed by the Bishop to do solemn exorcisms But as you mentioned Stephanie that many many many many many people have demonic issues and and and just a little bit of praying Could be very helpful. So what what do we do about that? Well, I put together 10 Videos they're on our website. You you need a password But just contact us we'll give it and and 10 videos for priests on how to do deliverance ministry It's very simple, but these 10 videos will we'll get you there and Get you started in this ministry Catholic exorcism org is at the right URL under under resources. You'll see Deliverance training for priests Great. Thank you for doing that. I mean, I've had a priest actually a young priest recently ordained Actually weep in a conversation Because his heart ached so deeply for the people coming to him He's like, I don't know what to do and I'm not getting any help from my diocese So we definitely are pointing these kind of folks to you guys. We're really grateful for that for that work you're doing Yeah Well, I've just contacted by some priests in Ireland, for example, we asked for help and beautiful priests around the world Unfortunately, it's only in English, but but many people do speak English. That's great Really beautiful and it's kind of interesting because it it kind of it's I think you know There's no mistake with our ministry. It's all over the world. Your ministry is now spreading all over the world and That that we have found our cross path or Crossing is really beautiful and God's providence. So to that end, you know Priests have all kinds of people coming to them help me. This is going on in my family I don't know what to do where my household or my health or whatever How did you and in often Individuals like that priests like that are being called to deliverance ministry or Ultimately, maybe to exorcism. How did that happen for you? Can you tell us about how did this develop? How did it merge in you? And how did you find yourself in this line of work? Well, as you mentioned Before that Stephanie that a lot of priests are being called we had a young priest come to us who was we're training and It just people start gravitating to him just for some reason they would find him and say father I've got problems with this and any He just said they kept coming to me. So there are certain people that God's calling That's one way of knowing when people keep coming to you and saying I've got evil spirits You're probably being called. So we can help you train you up. So that's fine Now how's how did I get it in the ministry? Well, you know The short answer was the proximate cause was as you know, I'm a licensed psychologist, which is very helpful in this ministry and The bishop had a case he asked me to do the eval which I did as a psychologist I said that's psychological problems. Probably a spiritual problem you need an exorcist. So the bishop asked three different priests To do and they all said no Would so I'm sitting there with the with the vicar generalized said well, you know Give it to me. How hard can it be? But and that one fortune I had a wonderful senior exes who remained anonymous, but he really Trained me and which is critical But then that you're applying earlier that the experience I had as a seminary I think a sign that the Lord was calling me to this this ministry. I was and this is not uncommon I just got a call from a seminarian yesterday who had similar kinds of experiences I was lying in bed at night us not asleep, but you know completely awake and all of a sudden there was this Spiritual evil force that attacked me with a speed which is incredible and a power is incredible I knew that I was going to be overwhelmed with in within seconds. So by the grace of God I knew what it was. It was I'll never happened before it was it was a demon, obviously and I leaped out of bed and I Grabbed my rosary beads and the minute I grabbed my rosary beads bang stop well thing lasted about two seconds if that may be a second and a half and I learned a lot that day. First of all Demons like angels move with the speed of thought which is it was incredibly fast And also the weakest demon in the world is more powerful than we are yeah that we can't we can't fight them ourselves, but Compared to our lady. They're dust. They're dust, you know, so just I want you to know by the way I have this rosary beads in my hand 24-7 the only time they're not on my in my pocket over my hand is when I'm in the shower. That's it. Hmm That's beautiful. Yeah, the devotion to our lady is just so very important and she tells us over and over again in All of the church approved apparitions. She says pray your rosary pray your rosary pray your rosary So she's she makes herself Very available to us. We just have to reach out So I haven't I'm oh we're gonna well. This will be our last question until Yeah, after the break. So we'll we'll start it, but we'll have to take a break here in a minute Have you ever done anything in spiritual warfare specifically an overcoming? Addiction and how much of addiction is demonic and how much is purely human weakness? I mean we we can look out into the world right now and it looks like all of demons have you know broken loose everybody You know, there's all kinds of manifestations going on if you think about the anger and the hatred and the rage That's being displayed all over social media all over You know in protests and all of this Some of it's got to be a you know attached to addictions and what do you do if you have an addiction? Is it is it demonic? Is it a weakness? Is it both? Is it all of the above and with that? I mean Stephanie posed that question We're a little too close to the break to jump into the answer when we come back from the break We'll hear from on senior make sure you pick up his book a dive in American Exorcist and check out their app on That's free Exorcism app. We use it Catholic exorcism. Oh No, the app is exorcism app and then Catholic exorcism.org we use the app about weekly I think we used it we prayed before the show using that app the umberlino prayer So check those things out. We'll be right back with Monsignor Rosetti to answer the question Okay, new markets that go like can we can we talk for a second? Yeah. Yeah By the way the app is called Catholic exorcism. Okay, great number one number two I took the headphones off because I realized your sound was not coming through my ears. Okay It's all working fine with the expensive microphone. So you know this one of those special microphones. So yeah, we're good It's all working. So yeah, I'll Stephanie. You'll correct that on the way back in Catholic exorcism app and then So ready and your markets that go this is Dan is 70 Burke Welcome back to divine intimacy radio talking with Monsignor reddit Rosetti. He was the author of a Diarrheven American Exorcist and the founder of St. Michael's Center Who's helping people get free but you asked the question before the break before that one correction. Yes Yes, we need to correct that. So the St. Michael's Center for spiritual renewal is Catholic exorcism.org The app is Catholic exorcism app Not or just Catholic exorcism is the name of it, right? The thumbnail looks, you know, all the word you see underneath it is exorcism But it's actually you search for Catholic exorcism and you will find the app. Perfect. So the question was before the break Many people are suffering from addiction, you know, pornography drugs alcohol sex, you name it food It, you know ad infinitum How much of that is demonic and how much is it just human weakness and how do you distinguish the difference? You know, how do you know when you need to reach out for spiritual help? That's a great question and the reason why I like it because it really focuses on a lot of our work and how to deal with these issues as A licensed psychologist as well as an exorcist. I see both sides of that Psychological and spiritual side. Here's what usually is the case usually When someone comes to us who is possessed or oppressed usually as a combination of psychological weaknesses Which Satan is an opportunist and takes advantage of so for example, we had a priest come to us who was being tormented By a scrupulous thought to death. I'm not worthy. The Lord hates me and they just been pounded by these negative Self-stuff. Well, there were some real wounds psychic wounds. He needs some healing from So he was in therapy, which is helping a bit, but it wasn't doing everything. So he came to us We prayed over him about, you know, five times and his problems, which were this big now became that big So Satan's an opportunist. He will he knows your weaknesses. He will jack that up He will you know, stick a knife in and twist it. And so Most of the cases we have especially the tough cases. We will have the person in some sort of healing work some sort of psychotherapy with a Catholic therapist and and Some prayers of deliverance as well and usually the combination are most effective What out of curiosity? How is it that the we've worked with therapists before and and victims and ecstasy and that sort of thing But how how it does that therapy? What's the most common way it benefits somebody in that scenario? Well, it depends on the kind of problem, you know Sometimes you what's new use cognitive behavioral therapies. Sometimes you use psychodynamic therapy. So depending on the type of disorder You kind of use the therapy, which is most appropriate. For example with depression today CBT cognitive behavioral therapy and the combination meds are usually the treatment of choice and And and that's yes, okay And yeah, I've worked with a seminary and once who was became an atheist in the seminary But it was because of obsessive thoughts that he had. Yeah, and so I took him through all the spiritual work and he was willing to do all of that and Was very submissive to making sure he's praying even though he didn't believe he was doing all of it That didn't get him free. We taught him Discernment of spirits that didn't get him there. He didn't seem to be oppressed in any way just obsessive thoughts but then I asked a psychologist to help and then we tried Behavioral therapy and that didn't work and so that as a last resort We went to medication and everything cleared up. So it was obviously I guess you would call that a chemical issue That medication was able to help him. So I've I've witnessed the two working together You know very well in this case, there wasn't much on the deliberate side, but God be praised. We have Catholic therapists who are who are committed to this. There's a question I want to make sure we get to it's the title of the show that somebody asked and that is can Someone who's possessed Actually make it to heaven and if so, how does that work again a great question? Whether someone's possessed or not because I've had several possessed people say to me if I die and I'm still possessed I go to hell the answer that is not really The demons will possession. What do they possess? Do they possess your soul? No, they possess your free will No, they possess your your body and they can infect your mind But Salvation is in the in the spirit in the soul in the will, you know, so As a matter of fact, there have been saints who have been possessed as a Trial us say Mary of Jesus crucified the little the little Yeah, yeah, and and Jemeth. We there was a point where Gemma Galgani looked like she was possessed so It's and actually it's Shockingly Sometimes being possessed can be a grace Because you you learn the truth when we when someone's liberated after coming to us They're in the front pews of the church because they learned about the truth about God about Jesus about the Blessed Mother and about the saints and about Satan so You know being possessed actually can be a tough and difficult but but a real grace right it's certainly easier to Distinguish the light from the dark if you're experiencing tremendous darkness So here's another question for you. How can we find where demonic attachment or influence is affecting our Family life, you know, and then what do we do as Catholics to clean that up and how do we keep it from returning? well, as you mentioned earlier as Stephanie that Satan with the signs of Satan, you know anger rage Discord what the first signs of Satan's presence is Conflict and discord and that's why you and I and all of us are very concerned about this country that the discord and conflict and Violences is just through the roof so when we see those sorts of things The remedy is fairly fairly Directly you start saying the rosary you go to confession go to mass that sort of thing you do all the Catholic things You know most 99 maybe maybe 80% certainly of demonic problems can be taken Can can be dealt with through these normal practices of the faith? The problem comes is when and this is very common that people say well In my family's broken apart my husband or wife doesn't go to church. My sons are estranged from me. What do I do? Well, that's tough I mean, of course reminds of St. Monica. She she basically prayed Saint Augustine back in the church So don't underestimate the power of prayer being faithful yourself and in our deliverance sessions once a month Our online deliverance sessions often people will come and bring in their heart with them They're family members So pray pray pray pray pray if you can get your family members to pray together Especially the rosary that'd be wonderful. Well, yeah, that'd be really beautiful Here's another question for you if we can't get to you. Oh, well, we've talked about this. I think So we can We can go to the Catholic exorcism org and sign up for The sessions that you offer online and so that was at the beginning of the show. So check that out How often is it true when people become fully possessed? That their spiritual foundation is a wreck that they're not Sacramentally sound like what are the open doors that and end up getting us in these situations? Well, I'd say there's a couple types sometimes people are possessed because frankly, it's their own fault and Typically, I give three steps on getting possessed which you know people unfortunately do stop practicing the faith That the faith is your shield is Ephesians 6 is true I mean, we're being attacked by demons all the time in our ministry But the Lord protects us because we were faithful the best we can so practice the faith to then they some Inner wounds come serious sins. So people start committing serious sins We all know what those are people are doing them and then start doing some occult stuff So, you know Ouija boards magic witchcraft all that kind of stuff will open open the door to say So if you do those things, you know, frankly, it's your own fault There are others who get possessed and it's not their fault and it doesn't seem fair But as your mother used to tell you when you're growing up life is not fair You know that for example, we had a we had a young woman who was possessed turned out She grew up in a family where they were doing extra excuse me doing abortions That one was a doctor and the fan was involved in the in the abortion and just industry So she became possessed other times we have people who grew up in families practicing witchcraft Santoria all those sorts of voodoo and so the parents bring them to these sessions and They get they end up getting possessed. So sometimes it's a person's fault or sometimes it's not Yeah, I had there was a thank you for that There's a commentator recently that came that was speaking publicly about possession and Eucharist and it's interesting because You know, St. Teresa of Avila had a vision. Well, she was was revealed to her and When she was at a mass, this is in the book of her life The priest was actually possessed because of mortal sin. There were two demons wrapped around his neck at the time He was offering mass She said the Lord revealed to her that it was to teach her that the masses valid regardless But in the case in this situation the demons were cowering at the Eucharist, you know, they were afraid of the Eucharist I heard this about this commentator saying somebody's possessed can't take the Eucharist Which seems to be contradicted by this vision What what are your thoughts about that? It depends on the case The we've had some people possessed to some sometimes they can receive the Eucharist It's one priest said once he said I can tell someone's possessed right away by having them say they are father They can't say it then they might be possessed not true In other words, sometimes possessed people we've manifesting and when they're manifesting typically they can't do Something like that. Yeah So but not always But typically I mean we've got a couple cases right now where Two of them right now and the person says, you know, I go to the mass and I just hear the demons screaming and I feel awful I feel sick one person one possessed person says I try to go to mass I feel like I can't even walk through the door. I Blank out so there is a Our times when fully possessed people just can't walk in the door of the church but not always it It just each case is different So friends, I want to make sure you you pick up my senior Rosetti's book a diary of an American Exorcist that you check out the Catholic Exorcism app that you check out the catholic exorcism org and All of the resources that he has there for you and also He will be speaking at our upcoming summit at Catholic University and that's July 15th through the 17th and Along with Bishop Strickland father, McManus Kathleen Beckman Stephanie now will be there if you can't you we still have a few seats open For you to be there physically and you can but if you can't be there physically you can also get a virtual seat So go to spiritualdirection.com forward slash events and if you think Monsignors interesting on the radio or on live stream even more so in person He's a man given over to God and given over to helping souls to get free and and these men who do this work Are just a delight to be a part of so go to spiritualdirection.com forward slash events and with that Until next time may the God of peace make you perfect in holiness May he preserve you whole and entire spirit soul and body Irreproachable at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 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