 It's so stupid it's positively brilliant Greetings shawlamain the god here one half of the brilliant idiots our guy Andrew Schultz is in Japan Chris says he's lying to the people. What's the name of the sushi place that he went to? Jiro Where it's a thousand dollars a table or something like that? Two people a thousand dollars a table post me the best sushi in the world Andrew Schultz is on Instagram saying his garbage I can't say that he's lying. I just know that whatever everybody likes Andrew will not like that's just the way he is But Miko is here Miko grinds and my guy intern John is back. Yeah, we don't plan any of this stuff by the way Taylor been asking me all week, you know who I'm have on the podcast when I have on the podcast. I'm like, I don't fucking know Who who else is coming? No Taylor who else is coming? Who else is coming? Who else is coming? I'm not gonna be here by the time we don't get there. I might be though. I don't know so to my god. We know we know he already I Thought he told me he was gonna be done till 12 15 12 30. That's what it is right now Keep up. Okay. I will be here when we don't get here. Jesus. By the way listen, um Andrew I was with a TV executive yesterday And um, he's sitting down eating and he goes yeah, I owe Andrew some flowers And I'm like, why do you owe Andrew some flowers? And he said because um Because my girl my girlfriend that I'm that I'm really into That I'm really into right now like um, she's with me because because Andrew I said really And he was like, yeah, he was like, um Andrew stood her up one day one night He was like she already had her hair done and she was dressed and so she called me And so we went out and we've been together ever since lit and I'm like she told you that your second choice Why would it hurt your feelings? I mean it's honesty, dude, you guys don't like the truth Is that what it is? Listen, I'm all for the truth, but I don't understand the point She probably didn't know they were going to be together forever She probably called somebody that she knew was good company possibly good dick Just a vent to about her shitty night and boom one man's trash is another man's trash. I'm not cool with that Do you up text at two o'clock at bar clothes? Like I think girls know what that is Yeah, you know, it's like, okay, everybody else didn't work out. I'm gonna throw my dick your way Yeah What's the problem? Why can't we why can't reciprocate to keep that same energy y'all do to us You up text at two in the morning goes both ways men and women, but I'm not telling you the only reason I'm texting you is because uh Every other girl passed on me zone. It wasn't I'm sure it wasn't like that. It's probably a friend zone situation Well, they've been together ever since boom. That's all that matters and he said he's gonna see an Andrews from flowers flowers Those we Flowers is weak when I told Andrew I was texting Andrew yesterday telling them and he was like, damn. She was cute too Okay, where do we start man? I don't want to start too heavy But I feel like we have to go ahead get it out the way only only because you know I I have very bad anxiety about stuff like this anyway This is the reason I don't like to be in too many public places where there's a lot of people You know It turned John Chris y'all might be like two of the only white men I trust like to just be I'm serious Like to like like be around Because I just don't know when white males are going to flip the fuck out and start shooting everybody. I mean that's serious No, I feel you I feel you 100 percent. I don't get it. That's just what it is This country has always been like that though the white man is always no shade The white man has always been the terrorist and that is a fact I don't know and I and it's the craziest thing in the world to me is how they have convinced The world that everybody else is the threat except for them. Yes Explain your people John. I can't explain that No, I've always thought it was like weird like when there always is the mass shootings that it's usually a white guy And it's in schools and there's no question as to why is that happening Obviously, it's either we're hiding other shootings or it is just that and if it is just that the what why aren't we figuring out? Why like what? The problem the reason you can't figure out a why Is because everybody uses these things to their own political advantage So whatever agenda they're trying to push they put behind these mass shootings Like I can watch fox news and agree with some of the reasons they think the mass shootings happen And I can turn to CNN You know MSNBC and agree with some of the reasons that they think that the shootings happen and guess what none of them are wrong Like I think it's wack for people to be trying to dismiss The mental health issue, you know me when they're like white supremacy is not a mental health issue I can debate that I think it's pretty stupid And pretty insane to not like somebody just because of the color of their skin Yeah, I mean and I think it's more I think it's easy to influence somebody who's already dealing with some type of pain Who's already dealing with some type of hurt some type of trauma. Yeah, so you feel like racism is a mental health issue I've always thought that I'm sure I've said that on this podcast a million times before to hate somebody Just because of the color of their skin. It can't just be learned behavior. Some of it is learned behavior I do agree with that. Yeah, that's what I think the majority of it I think that there's obviously people that have mental health issues Some of them are you know a little bit crazy. I remember a lot of the stories coming from white men Just mad that a girl dumped them and wouldn't talk to them or you know, and then they shoot up That sounds a little mental But when you say you're shooting people because of their color of their skin, I don't think that's a mental health I think that you are just an angry person and you were taught this type of anger and now you're going out And and displaying the anger instead of just verbally talking about it. Now you're doing something about it I don't think that's a mental health issue But don't you got to be a little off to be that influenced to go do something like that like don't get me wrong That means racism is off That means you're off if you're racist like that's what that means To walk into a Walmart and just shoot 20 random p. Yeah, I think you need a psych evaluation immediately Especially put your own life away then like a good gf rest of your life You can hate people without getting locked up yourself. I mean, I think that's I agree There's a little bit like something's gotta be off to like I don't even care if I get shot with this Or somebody I don't give a damn. I'm gonna you can hate from the sidelines without getting the game You can buy season tickets to the hate and hate from the booth They don't gotta be on the field tackling people. Exactly. I think I respect that It's a lot of people that hate people in 2019, but they're not trying to harm them They're not trying to hurt them I think when it gets to that level of you you want to harm somebody you want to hurt somebody and You don't care what happens to you because you know, it's a good chance. You could Get killed. Yeah at the least. Yeah, all right I'll spend the no get killed at the worst spend the rest of your life in jail at the least And your family have to explain it that you are the one that raised Absolutely. They had no idea like that's like I couldn't even imagine I embarrassed like talking shit on the radio My mom I can't imagine if she had like deal with an actual like crime Like I for the rest of my parents life like that you're the one that raised the idiot I saw somebody say something like that. They was blaming it on the parents I don't know if I can put all the blame on the parents I think it's probably signs, but you probably wouldn't assume it and what other signs and there's like especially as a mom You can actually raise a child Amazingly like in a great way. You can do everything right and it can still be a fuckhead. Yes Absolutely Or they could just snap at some point. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not just I can't dismiss the mental Health aspect of it, but I'm not gonna dismiss You know what people say when uh, donald trump was saying the movies in the video games like american culture is violent We've been from the beginning. That's how they took the country. Yes violence That's the history and the culture of this country is violence taking things killing people doing what the hell you want Changing the laws. That's why I laugh whenever I hear people talk about Immigrants in this country like this whole country is is built with immigrants like why are we even How do we even say who shouldn't and can't be here? How how this country is is the one country that I feel like Shouldn't be able to do that. We should make ways and laws and rules And you know, we have to control the population in a way But to say that an immigrant can't come over here when this land is stolen is ridiculous to me I agree with you. But I like I said mental health uh racism bigotry Um, what else did I fucking say mental health racism bigotry? Oh the glorification of violence in america And the fact that there's too many motherfucking guns on the street. Yeah, america's created a problem That they can't control anymore. Ain't no two ain't no putting that two face back in the tube. Nope That's over And he's not only trying to regulate anything it's always made things worse like prohibition Right on the mafia the war on drugs even if you want to take the guns off. How are you going to take the guns away? You know, I don't I don't agree with taking the guns. Let me What I do agree with is taking assault rifles and automatic You know weapons that shoot a hundred bullets in two minutes. What do we need that for? Yeah, I don't understand even when motherfuckers say they need that shit to hunt I don't even believe in hunting either just so we're clear. I don't it's because to me this is how I feel You eat meat, right? No I eat crab every now and then but listen to this think about this for one second You're a lion. You're a deer. You're whatever money you're business in your habitat And somebody gets to put on camouflage and sneak shoot you What I respect about hunting is is if the animal's gotten alert to know humans are on the premises You can hunt their asses too. Make it an even game. I'm pretty sure lions hunt humans. No, I'm saying like If you take your ass in the jungle, you're not coming up. They don't know when they're being hunted They're minding their business. No, I don't believe that and somebody shoots them. No, you ever been hunting? I watched it. No, them deals. No, no deals know what time it is But I feel like it's not fair to shoot an animal that's in their own natural habitat minding their business trying to live their life That's not really gamesmanship to me. It should be equal play the animals should know you there They it should be an understanding and they should be able to hunt your ass too equally And that would make hunting legal for me. I can see why you say that but you can't put none of that Camouflage on you can't hide in the tree. You can't do none of that You walk your ass out there with your gun and whatever you kill you and you can get it back Get it back. But you you know, that's that's sucker shit to me I hear what you're saying, but you ain't ever had no deer hash if you have some goddamn deer hash You ever have some deer hash if you got it the right way I mean you went out there and you didn't do no sucker shit and hide yourself in camouflage And you got the deer cool, but I don't see that's almost like a sucker punch Imagine they say you beat your ass and all he really did was come from behind and punch you without you knowing Did he did he really whoop your ass? Is he better fighter than you? Does he taste good? He didn't give me a fair opportunity. That's how I see hunting honestly, and I don't think it's fair So if that's the case you see another gun then I know you should have to kill Whatever's out there in the wild whatever's out there because that's what they're doing That had to happen at some point like clubs and stuff. That's how they like the spears and stuff Yeah, they can smell you though. That's the other thing like my brother goes hunting where it's deer year And so they can't smell his ass. I mean, that's a little too far There's no one you there did be on alert way too far to kill some innocent animals that don't even know you there This is too much. How long you been vegan? I'm not a vegan I live a predominantly plant-based life is what I call it because vegans eat oreos and twinkies and all types of goofy Shit like that. I don't need any of that You told me some wild shit earlier. You told me that fucking eggs a period period chickens period. Yes Yes, you were like, why are eggs healthy? I don't understand why it's not healthy I said imagine your girl. She has fallopian tunes, right? And she she leaves she drops an egg each side every month every month they alternate that egg is the yolk Of your that of your egg. Why can't I scramble period blood? You can do whatever you want. Oh, you can You can scramble the lining of try it. I bet you could I bet you if you put some butter on the pan And and take a take a tampon squeeze the blood out of it. I bet you could probably scramble that up That's a good social experiment I'm just saying in general I would like to see if you can really scramble the eggs because I don't believe that A egg is a chicken's period. It's the same thing. It's it's actually an egg that a chicken is dropping to have a baby It's the same thing that shit don't come out of y'all does it that's the blood The lining that we shed and our vagina and our uterus that comes down. That's the egg whites I'm talking about the shit you can crack like take the white shell. We're not in a shell though Like it's different. You know, you got to you got to think a little bit. It's the babies don't come out of eggs Yeah, our babies too. Yes, the the chickens become they become no, no human babies don't come out of eggs No, because we we carry them in our stomach. This is our egg Yeah, this is the shell right here. Boom You want to see my c-section scar? I see one every day But this is our shell right here. That's essentially what it is. I mean, it's cool. You could keep eating them, but You don't need any eggs my god. He just told me that eggs are hold on. This is dr. Seve's grandson He said eggs are no good for you because They create mucus and it causes high blood pressure and mucus is the first for any disease is a mucus It starts with mucus any disease. That is a fact that I know if you're going to eat Mucus things that cause mucus you're you're increasing your chances of getting a disease period But taste that's like dairy Milk butter cheese all that is mucus. I don't like dairy. I don't like dairy just because it makes me shit I don't feel like anything that makes me shit isn't good for me I don't eat dairy because it came from an animal. No other species eats drinks milk from another Mammal besides us. Who else does that? No, that's true. Listen breast milk is so good. Ain't it? Is it? Yeah wait till you get a girl pregnant and you have some kids That shit is so good One of my favorite things to do is like when my wife don't have her pump And like we out of town and I got I get to suck the breast milk myself I love it. What's it? What's it taste like? It's like kind of sweet. It depends on her diet It all tastes different, but it depends on her diet So she ate a lot of flaming hot Cheetos it probably won't taste like come for a dude that and like that pineapple thing Yeah, kind of but people think they eat one. Let me tell you something like come for a dude Yeah come like guys nut tastes different based on their diet. You wouldn't you shouldn't know that I know that allegedly makes its ISF heard. Yeah, I heard you eat pineapples and your Let me say something about the pineapple people think they eat a couple of slices of pineapple and suddenly There shit is different. It's a lifestyle. You have to be consuming these fruits and things over time It's not like oh, I'm out of fuck so and so today. Let me drink this pineapple juice No, it doesn't I like on my wife drinks a lot of liquor because you know when she drinks liquor She's still got a pump because you're not gonna. Yeah, she can't yeah, I get to suck that out. You're nasty dog Breast milk good as a mother fucker. Yeah, but you nasty that should be that shit make you feel strong Oh When he was playing for the uh the falcons he would drink breast milk after work out if you're gonna drink any milk It should be from the titty. Yes People will literally drink cow's milk a stranger cow. They don't know but if you pull a stranger titty out somewhere And be like suck this they'll be like that's disgusting, but you drinking cow's milk. What's the difference? Yeah, I don't like I can't do the cow's milk. That should make that should give me the runs I can't do ice cream. I can't do none of that. You shouldn't be no It's just not for us and breast milk does make you feel strong. I promise you it's like your energy Shoots up after you drink it like you feel the difference in your body. Like it's mother's milk Yeah, squirt gunner. We how does it work when you suck on it? Does take a while to get going? You just suck it like you're sucking the titty I haven't done this before As soon as any any Monables getting hard now. That's funny. As soon as anybody As soon as the baby or even your man comes near your breast when you're um when you're um breastfeeding when you Your breasts naturally react and will start to like squirt Like anytime I if my son wasn't even sucking if I just held him by my titty It would just start leaking because it can sense him there And it's like it's like tells the body like it's time to feed whenever you you can feel that energy And I think it gives you a different connection with your with your woman That's why you know, the kids are so close to the mother because they was on that titty And I think it's the same way with a man because I get jealous when I see my 11-month-old sucking on the titty I'm dead serious. It worked for that shit Why she just get to get that whenever she wanted She needs nourishment. She needs to grow up. That is this is important. You don't you were already a grown-up Why don't we do that? Why don't we drink more breast milk? Because we're stupid because we're brainwashed because the food and drug administration has told us That cow's milk gives us all this vitamin D and calcium, which is the dumbest shit ever You can get way more from plant-based food. By the way, that's been proven so fucking false Over time. Well, yeah milk don't make you do a body good My son got my son got wrote up in school one day and he came home He was so scared. He thought he was in trouble and I was like, what the fuck did you do? And he was like the teacher said that you know, I was being disruptive And I was like, what happened they were having a nutrition class And she told them that if you don't get a certain amount of ounces of dairy in your diet Every day that you can't grow up big and strong. My son has never had dairy in his life. He's eight years old And so he raised his hand. It was like, oh, that's not true Because he's a tallest kid biggest in the class and he's like, I've never had dairy and she said, oh, that's just because you're allergic This doesn't count for you and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no So he wouldn't let her get away with it. And so she said that was disruptive that he kept trying to correct her That's you goddamn right And I told her you're a little right up rip rip ripity rip No, he he checked you get your facts together. I understand you have a curriculum You have to teach but when it's false and a child checks you you just got to take that L That's my problem with america too When we go so hard with these mass marketing campaigns But won't emit when we run like with the campaign that's telling people, you know what milk doesn't really do a body good Yeah, you can't destroy the milk industry. You see what happened open when she tried to destroy the beef industry Remember that episode back in the day? I would bet that the milk industry probably is already discreet If you go into grocery store nine, I'm maybe I'm tripping because maybe that's just what I'm focused on I see more almond milk and other types of milk because they're finally yeah, they're finally allowing Like you never see those commercials and stuff though You don't because they won't allow them in the industry. They won't allow the commercial Chains to silk all you don't see that you don't see those commercials almond milk ones before barely Barely and that's because the milk industry is like get the fuck out of here We're making too much money for y'all to come in here and try to take this money from us Fuck milk, bro. Fuck it. What else we got Taylor let run me down. I just need a I need a uh refresher You said what? She said it's right in front of you. Do we give a fuck about asap being home? We talk about it I wouldn't come back if I was ace up. Why would you go back to sweden? Alex ain't going back to sweden I know alex better not. Why the fuck would you go back? Oh, you know, he was locked up in sweden. Yeah Oh, really? Yes. He was like recently Eight months ago. I don't want to ask you something. I was glad I'm like I wanted to ask you something, right? He said, oh man It don't have nothing to do with your butthole Do you think asap got preferential treatment? No, he had to do he had to deal with everything I did. Okay, so how long how long were you locked up 28 days? Yeah, he was locked up about a month They charged me but they gave me time sir Got you same thing they did same exact thing. So he got no preferential treatment None of the donald trump shit Didn't help. Okay. I thought it was gonna hurt actually did you tell andrew that? Yeah, okay He's in contact with that team. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay, cuz andrew's kind of acting like trump got him out No How do you feel about the stuff he said that there's so much controversy about him saying You know, he's lives in malibu and bevelly hills. He don't care about You know, michael brown and that's not his world You know, how do you feel about him saying that and then wanting the culture To stand for him arrive for him when he's in a similar situation. I don't know if he has the culture to stand for him Well, that's just what's what was happening on social media is like how come y'all nobody's like, you know, free asap I didn't um, I didn't like his comments that he made about Ferguson, you know what I'm saying, but you know for me That whole situation that happened in sweden wasn't about asap rocky. It was about justice So if you're a human being that stands for justice, it don't matter who is for or who is against Those aren't even my words. Those are my comex's words. So it's like I didn't care that he made those comments What happened to him in sweden was fucked up, you know, I'm saying and that could be any black man in any You know any situation like that. So I wasn't standing up for asap rocky necessarily. I was standing up for What was right? But can you see the correlation though? Mike brown that was that could happen to any of us Maybe So you feel like this kind of taught him something I mean, I don't know. I haven't heard him speak. I would hope so I would hope that after spending 30 days in sweden and seeing how black people came to your defense You would know Bro, whether you agree with what happened in Ferguson or not, don't go against your own people I'm so sick of that shit. I'm so sick of people cutting off their nose despite their own liberation Like that's what they're doing like they're really going against your own liberation Deliberation of your people when you see somebody fighting for somebody that looks like you don't get in a way Because they're helping your dumb ass whether you realize it or not. I know you don't watch the NFL, but oh watch You know who champ bailey is Champ bailey just was inducted I don't I don't know that you do. I never really see it on your social media I know you are but that's dallas kelwood. That doesn't mean you watch the whole NFL I just fell back this year because we was fake protests The whole of fame happened this weekend in champ bailey in his speech. He said He he just basically talked to all his white Players in the NFL and friends and everything and he said whenever we tell you our stories believe us He had a whole speech but the most important thing that he said was black people If someone is campaigning for us riding for us, you know, you know trying to do things to help us And you don't agree just shut the fuck up forever Mind your business Go that way like why do you have to say? You're against it because they gotta because they gotta look good in front of mass Massa they gotta tell you gotta show master master. I ain't like them master. Yeah, I'm not like what you're doing for us master You keep this And you let me give us all the best parts of the p. That's all master. I don't know them over there master I'm cool. Oh, I like it over here. We're gonna get them master Yeah, it's a guy. Uh, I was my man soups my man. Collin cap and ex luta. Uh, nessa We was all sitting around another day and they put me on to this, um Haitian rebel. I don't want to miss miss miss quote the story, but it's a Haitian rebel named bookman And what bookman did when he was rebelling in Haiti Was one of the first things he did Was start killing all the sellouts That's what you gotta do. He knew the main thing that was keeping them from liberation and being free Was going to be his own people. Yeah, and he went around killing all the goddamn sellouts Yeah, I wish we were still living in those times where you could just kill somebody like that because now we have to just Now we have to just say, you know what? We can't take everybody with us You know, you got to like try to ignore them or push them off to the side, but they still can talk We can't kill them now. It's it's even it's even worse that they can talk because they're on Platform sometime big platform All of America hears them and they're like, oh, I think they got bad because I saw that nigga on Fox saying this and I saw that I went on cnn msbc saying this like so people don't Take our plights seriously sometime. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's why it takes people in certain positions to say no, this is this is still what's happening right now You know today What do you think of people John? I mean, I'm listening. I'm John is over. I like him already. You know what I like about you I have just met you today and we have a really good dialogue right now And you are observing like a motherfucker like you ain't over here trying to like It's just I like that people whenever somebody's hearing two black people speaking They're not black and they're engaged and they're observing, you know the situation everything I like that. I feel like you're you're learning right now. Well when it's him in wax though I turn it off. I'm like, I'm not gonna learn anything this shit I know I want to tell you what this is my this is my homegirl Maggie Olson. She's a principal and milwaukie white woman You know I'm saying another white person I trust there's some white people I do trust She said this earlier today and I thought this was where she said white supremacy is real white people cannot be silent We must be the strongest voice and fighting it. Yeah, and I truly feel that way That's the only way it's gonna change is white people have to because this is we don't we don't have enough It's like it doesn't matter what we say we need them to acknowledge it and fix it We didn't create that problem. We didn't create it So how can we be the motherfucking solution for a problem? We didn't create like it got to be White people who know better than their forefathers did. Yeah, and they got a Rescruction and change this shit, but that's why I I don't know if you agree, but that's why I feel like Desegregation was our biggest downfall as a hundred percent. Yeah, a hundred percent Because you know what would happen if we would have stayed, you know segregated Black people would have had the most pop in town Just be clear Best dressed white people would have still loved our culture Concerts they just still been trying to come to Whatever they would have called it schools. You think they would have called it, huh? They would have still been calling it a little africa or whatever they've been coming And we would have our own culture. We've lost our entire identity in this country And I do believe a lot of us were born here. We didn't all come over here on slave ships But what we what was taken from us is our culture when you look at like I drove through new york today I live in la I live in florida every single town in america has a Like korea town or you know china town ain't no black town. Ain't no africa town We don't even have our own little networks in other cities like city to city like other cultures We have lost ourselves completely Because of desegregation. Yes, and and and and I think that not only what we Would have this I really think we would have the strongest communities Especially if they would have kept things the way that they were when like The nation of islam was heavy in certain communities, you know what I'm saying and teaching people knowledge itself You know, I think that we would have had the strongest communities But like I said, I think that all everybody would want to come to our shit Yeah, because it's like I need Still our coach now I love our coach now and embrace our coach now They would want to be around the cool shit. Yeah, you would have the coolest towns in the world It'll be fun and when you say, you know, you wish Like when I say like desegregation with our biggest issue what people take from that is all you hate white people No, I don't I feel like we would have all been been fine like that I think that white people and black people would have respected each other a little differently They would they would see us our flourishing community So they wouldn't be able to say black people are lazy or you guys don't work You don't want to do anything We will police ourselves So you would see how we regulate each other and how we treat each other That doesn't mean that I don't want to communicate or congregate or even engage with white people I just want them to see us how we're supposed to be how we were before We were brainwashing to believe in where nothing and by the way every time we've tried to build those communities They burned them down white man has burnt them shit down literally black wall street I can't remember the play I can never remember the place in love canline The the bronze was bronzerville bronzerville in chicago, but I can't remember there's been about four or five lynchings of our our communities to to let us know that they could do that whenever they want No one's going to jail for it. There's nothing wait that they make the black wall screen movie That's why movies are so important because you know niggas don't learn no other way. Let's be for real Like if it ain't entertainment if it ain't mean And entertainment like people just don't learn especially black people right in a lot of cases So it's like wait till the black wall screen movie gets made and you see this thriving community I think a lot of us don't even realize that that was a thing. Yeah our own lawyers own doctors Dennis Dennis hospital schools like and White men do what he always do send the white woman in to fuck it all up For real that's what happened white woman accused the screams rape And they went around looking for the people that raped them and raped the young lady Which never happened and they ended up burning the whole motherfucking town down. Yeah I mean that's my paraphrase of it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I think yeah, I think it's not a movie. How's it been made yet? Oh, yeah, you know you can read about it though. Yeah, you read about it black wall black wall street Yes, that's gonna be the last movie. I just hope it's done right I hope that that it's done properly because my biggest issue with a lot of our stories is they're not We're afraid to be Real truthful like all the way we try to soften it so that it's polite. I want it to be brutally honest like real I think they've been doing that lately. I think it started with um Burp of a nation by Nate Parker. Yeah, you know, even though y'all got Nate out of here for no god I was so mad about that. It's the same exact thing that you got Nate out of here. Nate was like the first Me two times up situation. Yeah, you know, I mean and it was so the Nate Parker situation was so crazy to me because That whole situation was a black liberation story Like first of all the story of nat turner is a black liberation story But how Nate parka raised the money himself To shoot that film was a black liberation story, right? And it's like, you know, we really let this system First of all, they didn't want that story to be told because that's the last thing they want you to do is liberate yourself financially uh mentally Emotionally spiritually, they want you to be dependent on whatever this system has taught us So it's like when you saw that happen with burp of a nation and I had a lot of different people man hit me up like Higher ups and say, yo, this movie's coming out. We got to get behind this movie Yo, we got to protect this guy. They're gonna try to lynch him whatever whatever and then they hit Nate Parker with Oh, he's got a white wife. Yeah, I didn't get too much traction on social media a little bit here And then I got whatever want to see burp of nation the next one was Oh That was the third one the second one was homo all he made homophobic comments back And I'm like, you know, they've been doing movies for 17 years and all of a sudden you want to bring back as homophobic comments I already brushed that back But then here came all he raped somebody and which he did college which he got found not not guilty of like And freaking buried him that's it buried him when it was something that he's not even guilty of and listen I everybody was saying that he was too defensive when he would do interviews. Yeah, I think he was the first You know, I'm saying he was one of those first me too It was tough for him times of cases and if you're if you're if you know your innocent you've been found Not guilty you like anus crime. Yes, I wouldn't have even responded. I would have been like suck my dick And you also this is happening at the biggest moment of your career You didn't busted your ass for years money to to make this Some shit from college that you were found come on I'm beyond what you I still don't know how we feel for that one I mean, I don't know how to coach yourself for that We as a culture like we try to come together and do all this stuff We try our best to get our people on the same page and and to do this do shit Right and we can never do it But the one time we can come together is when we want to cancel one of our own fucking people and that's crazy You like the white man The white man John's people yeah God Nate Parker to fuck up out of here and we fell for that shit fell for like fell for burp for nation got buried Yeah, that was a great. I think it's still on netflix. No, I'm not mistaken great movie I cried in that movie and I'm a thug they but listen What did that movie automatically made you want to liberate yourself? Yeah in some way shape or form You like man, fuck that. I would rather You know die for something as opposed to just go through this Type of treatment and then once again that man raised his own money. So imagine that would have been a success Imagine that film would have been a 100 plus million dollars People want to raise their own money to do their own Stories And they shut that down. Come on man. Come on, but but I think I think Nate Parker did it, right? I think um Ava Duvenay definitely does it right. Yeah Ava to me Ava is the best Storyteller. Yes when it comes to uh Activism through art There's nobody better than Ava Duvenay because every time she puts something out. It's a game changer. Like think about when she put out um the 13th 13th documentary Why do you think she's not getting is it because she's never done anything cancelable? Like why haven't they come for her like it seems like she's gonna Keep doing this. Yeah Because she's no one's coming for her at all. So she's free to keep on doing it. I mean honestly, we don't I don't know what happens Behind the scenes I'm sure she has a lot of difficulties in hollywood. I'm sure it's not easy for her, you know, um I know when wrinkling time came out. They tried to you saw people like Coming at her acting like, you know the movie underperformed and this and that she's not capable of doing x y and z blah They blasts. It's like no everything not gonna hit. Yeah, it's not all gonna be a Home run. No, my daughter loved wrinkling time wrinkling time wasn't for me That was for somebody my daughter's day. She's 11 now. I think when we saw that she was like eight or nine You know, so I don't I mean, I don't I don't know I put it put it like this. It's never too late. So I'm not I can't sit here and say it It's never too late if it's one thing that we've learned it's never too They will dig some shit up on you from but here's my thing I don't when when the attacks come you got to be prepared for them. I just don't like when they use us To attack us. They do that's that's the way to get us. It's through us. That's the that's the game because That's why that's why we get canceled. It's us. Anybody getting canceled I mean what you canceled air quotes canceled, you know really got canceled Bill Cosby got canceled. Hell no, oj thriving oj chilling OJ on twitter talking so much From a golf cart By the way, oj ain't never lost. When did he lose when he went to jail probably that one time for stealing his own stuff And then when he came home all the media is right back on oj It's like white media is obsessed with oj because they can't believe that nigga got away with that shit. They're mad I'm serious. That was one of our wins as a people Honestly, when he got away with that that murder, which I still don't think he did Really? No, I don't I love you. Miko so black. Yeah, you know how black you got to be to not believe the fuck that oj didn't do it I ain't even that black, you know I don't think he did it really I don't tell me why I personally think his son did it I ain't oj out of son. I know either oj got a son, you know, what let's move on because you're Jason Hey, jason's a chef jason's a grown-ass man. He good with not Yes, that's why Is there's a story behind why his son Break it down. This is the brand new It's a legend. I don't want to yeah Drop it. Well Oh, yeah, there's actually a documentary about how he would never harm a white woman It looked like you don't want nothing more than the being the arms of a beautiful new being white queen new being white queen Is sick. Yeah, but there's a documentary about it and I did a little bit of research And there's people that actually believe his son did it and he low-key is covering for a son. Really? Yeah Which is makes him honorable In his 20s, I would take the fall from my kid and like nah Say that's that white Listen The court that was Nicole's son Well, they have kids together, you know that right? Hold on now. I'm tripping. Justin wasn't the cold son. It should say he was the cold son The theory is the first the first son Yes, so it wasn't justin OJ did that shit and if he didn't do it, he knows what the fuck happens Yeah, he definitely knows definitely knows but I didn't look at that as a win For us. No, I didn't look at because when you see let me tell you something why it's a win charlamagne because I watch white men get away with shit All the time that they're guilty of you just look at just the fact that the pharmaceutical companies Are doing all these you see the commercial did your family member die of this or this? Well, we're giving away money to you because the the pharmaceutical company has been found guilty of putting chemicals in the pills That your family member took nobody's going to jail for that Like there's millions of people dying Every year over pills that are prescribed by our our doctors food That is approved by our food and drug administration and no one goes to jail But as soon as a person that's not a billionaire that doesn't own a fortune 500 company is not on a forbes list Commits a crime. They got to go to jail. Why? So you're saying if OJ was a pharmacist he would be he wouldn't be just fine If he was a billionaire running this country, I believe there's like Eight or nine billionaires running this country if he was one of them and he killed his wife No one would care Yeah, but I guess the only reason I didn't look at it. OJ is a witness because when I saw the 30 for 30 I realized like OJ really wasn't down for us anymore. He wasn't like OJ didn't give a fuck about black people I don't like when mainstream america when when he does some bullshit. He's black But when he OJ running the ball and in the soup commercials, he's one of he's not he's one of us He's not black. He's OJ. Yeah, I don't like that. No, y'all keep that money. I'll keep him over there I don't care what he says. That's the problem Niggas going at the end of the day. You're gonna eventually get your nigga wake-up call And be reminded that you are still in niggas. What happened to uh, look what happened to tiger woods He got his nigga wake up. No, he's still asleep. But still no Tiger was tiger woods was condemned He lost his entire career because he cheated on his girl And guess what he was that guess what he was that early this year getting a goddamn medal of honor on around his neck from donald trump Yeah, that's his guy. Yeah, man tiger was gonna give a fuck about black people Yo when tiger won early and everybody thought I was tripping when he won early this year I saw all the black people this black excellent Since when no, no, no Oh, did I'm the only one that remember? It's a golf excellence is what it is. But what what you have to understand is It's difficult to say but it doesn't to me it doesn't matter if somebody's Not like like oj. He didn't like us Uh tiger I'm not black. I'm cobblin asian whatever he said. He's still a nigger to me He's still a nigger in my eyes. I don't really care if you ain't claiming you niggered him You're a nigga. Yeah, you know and so for me I I still support black people Regardless even when you lost a little bit. It's it's not a support. It's more of an understanding You know, it's tough. I try not to turn my back on my people. I try Wayno, do you support niggers at all costs? Oh, Wayno, just walk in That's how I feel I feel that Wayno just came in uh a and r of asylum records Co-host of uh everyday struggle. Wayno. This is my man intern john. This is mico We ended up having a conversation about niggers I'm leading it. So yes That was crazy What'd he say out of here? I said I was leading that I was leading the conversation Oh, no, you're not here What's up, my brother? How you doing king? Hot hi, Wayno. I'm mico. We was talking about tiger wood specifically tiger woods And I remember everybody got so excited when he won whatever he fucking won a couple months ago Oh, he's black excellence in this and that. I'm like, I don't tiger don't give a fuck about us Yeah, I don't look at tiger woods as a black person. Me neither. I'm sorry. I'm just keeping it Me neither how many masses he went masses whatever I don't I don't like I don't look at like I don't think all And it's gonna sound crazy. I just don't think all black people are creative You're you're correct. No, you're correct. You ain't you ain't wrong in that aspect It depends on what in what context are we talking about but you ain't wrong. No like and it's Somebody like r kelly. I don't think r kelly getting done wrong No, and by the way, he's not being done. He might be the first person that really got canceled Like in a real way Not really. He's not a little bit like cleaning at the bottom of the pot. It's all fat women And the only people still hanging on the r kelly is fat women. I promise you go look at the people in brooklyn Who's supporting them? What are you considering canceled though? Wait, wait, nothing. His music is still streaming so crazy. It's not. Oh, is it? Yes, it is Yeah, because people I've been heard all that music is streaming like every time his name is brought up in the media his Spotify numbers jump You know straight everybody who like is attached to some sort of murder or some sort of case like every time There's some a new story on them. They get pop. They get pop in everything. Yes, you know what I realized about r kelly I didn't really like his music that much really I didn't I didn't realize that all this shit happened like I can live without my uh r kelly's music I can live without it. No Live without it, but I like his music. I don't I I'm not into it like that Like there's no r kelly song I have to hear like and I I realized my favorite r kelly song was I wish remix Because it makes me think about a lot of my partners that guy You know I'm saying I just think that's a dope Tribute song from when somebody died, but there's nothing else. I really really loved by r kelly R kelly used to have me jamming like I have a party with him and I can have sex to his music Like he got a lot of different lanes with me. You can still have sex r kelly's music I mean, I don't anymore, but I did I have memories of it from you know the past I don't really need his music and there's so much other new music 12-player kind of trash, bro I only liked I believe I could fly to keep it 100 The only r kelly song ever that that I love like love Yeah, because it was around the time when Michael Jordan had retired. I just watched space jam I used to get sad about that shit No bullshit like I never liked his music like I But I really never really liked his music when I was a kid. I just it was some of bottom How old are you? I'm 36. I'll be 37 this year. I'm 44. Okay. So I feel like we we're right there, but I feel like Well, I was I was I was a grown-up before you like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, you fucking niggas way no age right now Now How to play him like he's young My husband is his age. Oh, see exact age. Yeah, but this is the thing like I we're watching we watch old Jordan Um, they replayed a games on nba tv and there was a game and it was in um, I think it was like 90 90 or 91 there was a game we're watching and my husband was like, oh man I remember I was eight years old and when this game was happening I was begging my mom for those sneakers and I was sitting there like oh my god He's like, what's wrong and I said I was in high school giving somebody buckets in those shoes and he was eight Wow, and I'm just like that's so crazy. Like but you see what I mean? Yeah, absolutely Our age difference isn't that much but when I go back, I'll be talking to people like it's different I have conversations with people. I'd be like they was born in 96 and I graduated junior high school in 96 I'd be like I started high school in 96. I'm like damn you wasn't so you didn't see the 72 and 10 bulls like He wasn't there for the two pocket big like I met a kid that uh, he was born I think when Jay and Nas was dissing each other like yeah, it was born in crazy when my artist was born in 2000 I was supposed to graduate high school in 96 And I graduated in 98 in high school I graduated in 93 I got kicked out of high school. I got kicked out of gd school. What'd you do? I kicked out of gd school. I was you got to be a terrible human being Yeah, how did you get kicked out of gd school? At the time I was getting a couple of dollars and like I felt ironically I had a pair of Jordans I brought that I had just bought and I fell asleep on them And uh, the teacher was like he asked me to answer a question and I got up and I looked at everybody I just walked out the class like I just oh my because I was so embarrassed that I fell asleep I just didn't want to like he was he purposely asked me like the question because I was asleep But I just felt so stupid. I was like man. There's nothing to do other than walk out the class And you never went back. I never went back So you never got your gd I got one. I I pay for it Respect, so you know He could buy anything College degree everything. Yeah, I wanted to hold up. First of all, our kelly, uh, 12 players trash. I just want to throw that out there Right, I don't want to tell you why it's 12 songs on the album. Okay. Let's see your body's calling That's a jam bumping grind jam homie love a friend It's cool. It's dope seems like you're ready jam Freak that body trash. I like the crotch on you trash. I like the crotch Summer bunnies trash All right It's okay for you trash Back to the hood of things trash. Sadie dope dope sex me part one and part two I like and then untitled song. Yeah, that's a 50% of that is trash That's what I mean when you go back and you look at some of these projects like we love these records That was so big, but I can live without all kelly's music. You can't yeah, I think I could too now I think about it, but from back in the day I have so many memories with his music You know what I mean? I don't listen to it now Like I find myself singing it randomly like I will definitely start singing It's the remix to ignition is hot. So it's a dick you got off some r. Kelly that made you just like What parties, you know, like cookouts, you know Barbecues, it's a lot of those things not just the sex, you know, but you think about weddings, you know family reunions That that's how our culture we came up like that Like that. I remember all Kelly no cookouts. No, that should I ain't gonna lie to you like I didn't I did But you know what let me say this my family's from from st. Louis So That's us So that might be why as well because my family is big are kelly family We gotta go act like he's not talented, but that doesn't matter like like I'm just cool on his music period I don't I know listen this situation showed me. I don't really fuck with all kelly's music like that Yeah, I want to pay some bills and I want to come back and talk about college degrees Since we since we mentioned them, right? 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Let's get back to the show Now what? Oh tell her come on in and we got a whole family affair going on right? Okay rich paul Yes Oh, they uh have implemented something which is the ron james calling the rich paul rule What did the rich paul rule because well the rich paul says i'm the sports person here. Hey sports reporter So um whenever you are an agent for a player You don't have to have a degree anyone can represent someone the contract that you have to sign has to have a lawyer You know to do with it, but anyone could be an agent and rich paul is probably i'm guessing Probably the only agent that doesn't have a college degree to my knowledge. I went out there you think yes The majority of them are lawyers Most agents are lawyers Uh, he is breaking the mold and basically like my homie about to be my representative now They're trying to stop that now It's not just a college degree. No, isn't it something else like some type of certification that they have to have They actually want you to have a degree. I know it's a degree, but it's something else too. Hold on. It's they said it's the uh It's a it's a degree the bachelor's degree and something Certified with the nbpa for a minimum of three years. You got to take an in-person exam at the ncda office All this shit they're trying to do just to stop one person and they hate them They're mad because rich paul is out here doing his fucking thing. You got to be the biggest agent in the game right now, right? You got lebron james, anthony davis Everybody john wall jr smith tristan thompson said that he's the third most powerful a second Two lists one. He's the third most powerful the other one. He's the second most powerful person in the nba Yes, yeah when sports illustrator had rich paul on the front of uh The magazine they said that he's the most polarizing figure In the nba not no executive not no owner not no player nothing because he they feel like he's not supposed to be there because he's nobody He hasn't done the work. He hasn't done everything that everybody else has done together You don't have to if you're lebron's homie You don't have to there's they they let their people take shortcuts. We saw it in white kids They parents was paying for them degrees. Why can't we do it this way then? So basically this is uh, The nc double a trying to give rich paul his nigga wake up call the lumen idea c double a is the real lumen idea There's no bigger robbers There's no bigger rapists. There's no bigger stick-up kids out here than the nc double list She's talking about an industry that makes billions of dollars and they pay these student athletes nothing Yes, I want me out of theory on this right? He was like, yo Because remember lebron never went to college, right? Imagine if lebron went to duke, you know how much money they be making off his Yeah I had jamelle hill in my podcast and never heard about If he had gone to an hbcu if you're gonna be used Why not allow an hbcu to use you? Why not? Why are you going to these white schools? You know that don't give a fuck about you that truly if you get hurt that year They're gonna throw you away and people always like oh you get a free education. No, you don't I think it's a damn shame that no hbcu has ever had a super popping basketball program but I think that the conversation that people don't have is that like young black kids Kids that come from poverty that are good at sports are not going for education They're going because they're trying to get out the hood. Absolutely. And nobody wants to have that conversation. Yeah Absolutely. That's that's the way out for a lot of us. It's like, you know sports Drugs rap Those are only the major three ways that we as a people see our way out. None of us are thinking education. I try all three Well, I mean one works for you to Yeah, and that's what rich paul is doing. He's breaking the mold because what rich paul is doing He's grabbing these kids and he's like man. Fuck school. Yeah I can't remember the ballplay his name off the top of my head right now But he made him he made him go get an internship with new balance and he ended up getting a million dollars And then got drafted this year. What was the guys name? I forget his name But you don't that people argue me also you don't need no college education for real If you want to be a doctor or some of these things that require that certification sure But there's so many different ways you can employ yourself without a degree job. No college degree. Yeah, bill gates. No college degree Fucking mark zuckerberg. No college degree ellen degenerates. No college. Why no I don't have a high school diploma. Look look at look at the flu. I don't have no college degree That's why I think that that shit needs to change in any industry I don't even like the fact that radio makes you have to be in school now to get an internship I didn't I didn't go to college. I had they I played professional basketball and when I retired I thought boom just like all the other NBA niggas as soon as they retire They just get ahead of their job and radios TV whatever I was told I had to go back to school because I got a pussy Men get walked into those sports reporting jobs when they retire But I went back for what somebody told you that verbatum like you gotta go back to school because you got a pussy Not because I Listen I heard when I said to them so how come I named all these other athletes that walked into jobs And I said they all got dicks. Is that the difference and they was just like whoa like she even said that So what was the difference? But I did it I went back to school and then when I finished then that's when I started getting jobs I wish I'd have went to school for the experience though. I ain't gonna lie But I dropped out very very very young like very young. Oh, yeah I dropped out probably like I was 16. I was still in the ninth grade though. Like I was fucking up damn It was behind behind but it wasn't due to my like intelligence I just like I wasn't able to learn the way like I now that I'm an adult and I'm a parent I see that kids learn so many different ways and it's like I had teachers tell me like, yo, you could be stupid as you want. I'm still gonna be paid on friday So you'd be as stupid as you want to be is like to be a teacher. You got to be a superhero That's just like being a firefighter like you can't just You can't just come in there and clock in and clock out Regular job that takes a lot to be selfless to be a teacher because you really invested in people That's going to be running shit one day potentially you can't just Play around with that and a lot of kids the way I grew up with the way I grew up Shit, all my friends was drug dealers at 12 years old. So it's like we're not coming outside with a lot of hoping shit Yeah, so Yeah, I just I just like one of the first generation of black people who have other things to aspire To be you know one because we're now birthing We're now creating way more millionaires and and not just millionaires We don't have to be a millionaire. You could be a thousand air like we didn't even have thousand airs You know i'm saying my the generation before me There wasn't these people that have millions of dollars to pass to your kids to educate them and teach them the things You learn now We're figuring out ways to make money create our own income and our own wealth And now we're able to tell our kids these things and that's how I feel we can grow as a people But there's still so many obstacles being created every time we figure out a way to navigate through some shit They they put up another luck brigade or you know, like a block they're doing what they're doing the rich fall right now Hold on. Can we hold that thought because I got to get on a call. So my kids can be millionaires Hold on one second. All right, so listen I just want I just want to say what's happening in the rich fall right now No, different than the long history of government policies that facilitate a wealth for white americans and shut out blacks That's what I think they're trying to do right now. Yeah, absolutely You know, it's crazy because I feel that same way about like the whole rule of uh, kids can't Kids not being able to come out of high school because I felt like all right Too many black young black millionaires, you know, I mean taking money out of the nc double-a Yeah, but not only that not only that you got all if you got all the top athletes saying fuck high school Let's go right to the pros then eventually and nc double-a basketball on stuff. Let me tell you this last night went to combat jacks event mogul I was sitting outside smoking with dalis and a bunch of people and he was arguing with me saying that he doesn't he thinks that Athletes should go to college before they go pro and I said to him. This is what I said I said I said he had a photographer right there. I said this photographer He came right at 18 if he has the money to start his own photography company He can go be a professional photographer Why do you think that an athlete has to go to college should be a professional athlete? And he was like they're not ready. I said, who are you to tell them they're not ready It's not yours Like I agree what you're saying, but I mean everybody isn't right. Everybody's not lebron. It doesn't but you if you are Everybody's not that photographer if you are able to and capable of you should be able to go pro The minute you're an adult make your own decisions. Don't get drafted. It's a business Showing you that's what happens to you. That's a business decision and business is calculated risk, right? But if we look at if we looking at timelines Colby uh Kevin garnett Richard Lewis the real right, you know, I mean the real right it's so many Examples of kids who have come out of high school and become something as opposed to not so it's like even with lebron Lebron came out of high school. He's probably like the most legendary basketball Aside from personal opinion about the game. I'm talking about like just overall impact In sports period stop. We know They come out of high school. I'm not talking about game. I'm not talking about a game to come out of high school. Yeah. Yeah Oh, yeah Basketball like he's bro. Who else made a difference Lebron is the only person to make as much of a difference in the NBA other than michael joey when michael joey left I thought I didn't hear you say out of high school. Yeah Come out of high school, but i'm just saying it's like we could have so many more of those So many more of those but they hate you know There was one other cultural shifter before lebron What do you mean alan averson Oh, well, yeah, I mean shifted coach in a different way. I don't think nobody has had that much cultural impact in alan averson alan averson Forced to address code change. Yeah Made everybody want to get tattoos. He made everybody Had a slight thing in the sport with the crossover, but i'm talking about like just affecting the overall sport Like the overall sport. He didn't affect the sport in the same way that lebron did like Lebron going to a team or staying on a team makes all the difference in the NBA You know, I mean, that wasn't the same thing for alan averson make the whole league shift. Yeah, everybody waits to see All right, what is he going to do? I don't know if that's the case now Oh, it is. I don't know Damn one year off like whatever team lebron would if he would have left the lakers this summer and went somewhere else It would be a huge deal That's because of the championship that's because of media hype doing it Listen, I respect lebron, but a lot of that is because of media hype because right now True like quietly the best player in the NBA on your team. You are a frontrunner to the championship This is the problem with lebron and I love lebron We always talk about the difference he makes on these teams. He does but it's not like he's winning everywhere He goes lebron isn't like what you consider a win a championship. Wait a second. All right, so if that's Wait a second. Wait a second. Look Michael Jordan plays 16 years right 16 15 years. He won six times Right. Everybody loves to forget that year when shack and penny bust the bulls Can we talk about this for a second? I love this conversation. All right, first of all 16 years We're not gonna count the last two with the wizards that she don't even matter. All right So he actually played 15 years. He played 13 with the bulls 13 with the bulls, right first seven years in Michael George's career. He was the guy But he couldn't get out to play off and get out the east conference finals But when he figured it out Which means he got when he don't matter when he figured it out There was no doubt of who the undisputed king of basketball was right lebron has not done that You know, there's a reason for that. Why there's super teams now. Okay. Has he hasn't had him? He's had him. He had one He had one team. He had one two. No. No. No. No. He had one super team one Kim and Kyrie Irvin is not a super team. No, I'm not Miami That's one team. And by the way, he's the guy that got on stage and said we're going to win five six seven Two If you the best play in the league, right Jordan was the best player league and he still didn't win That's not true. When Jordan figured it out. He did not lose. No, he had other people with him By the time credit the rest of the team. Listen, buddy. Listen. No, he had a squad But by the time he figured it out. He did not lose because of his You know why? All right. So look because we're going real crazy here. We're going. I love lebron But I'm just saying what people don't talk about about Michael Jordan is how much he didn't do that lebron is doing And I'm talking about to affect stop Not not basketball I know you want to do this outside of basketball. It don't matter. No, it's bad. And I love Michael Jordan We have nothing else to talk about but basketball It does like if we want to talk outside of congress, that's a whole different conversation It is we talk about what's on that court. What's on the court? Yeah I mean, listen lebron had a chance. He could have what nine rings right now He went to the finals eight times in in itself is a yeah, that's a that's a win. No, that's a win Just going to the final no going to the final no matter Let's go one time and never go ever again in life roster. You're you're going to the finals a weak ass eastern conference Yes, he should have went You obviously don't know what it takes I mean, you can't like listen, listen, you can't you can't lead a team of grown men To to the playoffs against a bunch of 14 year olds right now I respect Lebron James, but this is what I'm telling you It's levels, right? Yeah good It's great It's king and it's god Lebron the king You said he's not a god. He's a king respect on the court. He's a king How many gods are there? You gotta die to be a god in my opinion. Who are the three gods? Michael Jordan magic johnson and Kobe Bryant. Listen why I love Kobe Bryant Why I love Kobe Bryant to death. Why I love Kobe Bryant, right? That's sick that you put Kobe in there Kobe is not Kobe is one of the near Kobe is one of the greatest talents I've ever seen but affecting the mba He did not affect the mba. How Lebron affect the mba. I see what you mean Kobe is like brand-wise. No not brand-wise as a player as being a difference maker When listen when when Kobe Bryant, he only asked to get traded that one time, right? And when he didn't that shit wasn't the big the biggest difference maker in the whole league when he when he wasn't winning Shit still went on There's not a time when Lebron hasn't been winning since he's won. Yeah Now not winning the championship is one thing, but since he's been bro nine years. You know what her Kobe though What? The rape charge that no the rape charge They didn't mba would not market Kobe the way they would market the Lebron And it was average of 40 every time he went to court. What do you mean? But that's what they didn't like he won two championships after that. They never put him on that pedestal Like he's the face of the league. Well, they never made Kobe the face of the league. It was the face of the league Yes, he was when he did it He did it by himself meaning without no way without we had no choice but to look at him But every commercial with either Kobe Lebron remember they tried to get that shit going But he never got to play in the finals. I mean, I was like he wasn't get there Kobe was there He's gonna be four No, there was only one. Yeah, I mean literally Kobe's off years was 06 and 07. Yeah 08. He went to the finals 09 2010 2011 he got bump and then it was seven and big finals Yeah, but he also never got washed in the finals. You never got washed, but he got washed in the finals Kobe was swept in the finals. What are you talking about? Kobe gets swept in the finals. I swept Oh by the pistons. Yeah by the pistons. Yeah by the pistons, but they won one game But no, he got swept No, it was the pistons. The pistons beat them 41 Yeah, but that's when Shaq was there Kobe Kobe he also played with one of the most dominant forces ever to exist one two rings after him. Stop it He did listen dog. There's no bigger Kobe fan in the room than me. I'm just telling you Kobe is an incredible basketball player. Incredible. I think Kobe's a god. He is not a god, bro He's not a god. No. He's not a god. He's a god Why and I love him to death, but why because he toys and killies and shot a free throw No, because he's like Because he's five and two in NBA finals because he won three with Shaq and won two on his own after everybody said he was done He went on his own. Wait a second. Stop that narrative, bro He had pal Gasol who was one of the best offensive threats in the league at that time He was one of the best big men in the league What was pal Gasol doing before that winner? He was fucking killing that Memphis and he was he couldn't win Nobody ever thought away in a pal Gasol jersey before he came to New Jersey Guess what? Nobody thought about it. As soon as he got traded they went to the finals. As soon as he got traded, they went to the final Because he got with Kobe Okay Kobe didn't win by himself I'm not saying nobody wins by themselves So what are we talking about? All I'm simply saying is it's disrespectful to put LeBron James over Kobe I think it's disrespectful Do we believe in a will to win that some people have that some people don't That when you know, this is the thing when you see Kobe on the court and you see Michael Jordan on the court You're like, I know they're gonna win this game You know what? You're gonna find a way to win this game With LeBron you're like, he's gonna find a way to lose this game I've watched I'm sorry go ahead. No, go ahead. All right. I've watched every Every NBA final since like 1991 up until today The best championship I've ever seen when one ever was LeBron and That was the best No disputing that So that doesn't make him a guy Beating a 73 and 19 down three and one Down three and one and winning that chip doesn't put me down. That was that was that was a godlike moment. Oh, like moment That was definitely a godlike moment. That was a Michael Jordan, Kobe, brian-esque moment That's the kind of Not gonna do it. Listen. That's the kind of stuff that I would expect From somebody who's been marketed the way LeBron is marketed for the past six years because by the way He's lived up to it though. He's oh, no. No. No. No. No. He hasn't I'm gonna tell you why It's the media's fault Right. No, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna do the important thing. I'm gonna tell you the story. This is how I look at it LeBron never asked for any of that LeBron didn't have to be called the next Jordan He didn't have to be called the golden greatest of all to and if they had never compared LeBron to anyone LeBron would be godlike Everybody for the rest of existence. He wore the number 23. He did ask for it Jordan it was his his idol LeBron should be compared to magic johnson. That's what I agree with that No, I Every great basketball player needs to be compared. Just like every great rapper needs to be compared Just like anybody who does anything at a high level needs to be compared But the bar that they set for LeBron, but it's not they're not the same type of player You know what the problem is everybody regulates the game of basketball to the last 10 seconds and and that's all Fuck everything If he don't score in the last five seconds, he's a trash But you know what I seen him do it a bunch of times like he's done it. You know what remember the ray allen shot Yeah, nobody talks about that. Remember that three on the side of that Brought into three before yeah Nobody talks about just like they talk about kairi shot. Nobody talked about the block that created this shot I know but that block. I mean that three was a mother. It was a monster. The president makes you come gets the credit Boom respect. So ray allen made them come Listen This is like, all right, did you see when glasses with loans on breakfast? I just want to say salute the rich paul, right? Keep going with the fuck you doing I think he should sue the nc double a I feel like this is some type of I don't know. It's got to be some type of violation or something like this He has to do something to like get back at the nc double a and show them that if they try to do that The hold though when he was getting when they try to do some shit when they was like, he doesn't have a To be an agent to own a sports agent. Well, hold falls under this category too. Cause he ain't got no degree Yeah, but he's not the actual agent. He's the owner of the agent Oh, got you got you got you got you got you if I was the actual agent If I was the nc double a and I was any of these agents I'd be trying to connect with rich paul. They they don't want to do that That's because then you're about to make more rich pauls and they don't want that It's gonna happen regardless. You know why they don't see that they they don't see that it's gonna happen because there is a rich paul Yeah, as long as there's a rich paul, there's going to be other rich pauls They're trying to put up brigades right now to block that. That's what they happen Yeah, that shouldn't happen and if the lake is won the championship this year, and you know, anthony davis I'ma talk to already a top three top five play in the league If they win the championship this year and it's gonna be cousin anthony, right? He's gonna be the guy now. So now you got to deal with this guy for the next four or five years Absolutely, and he's he just he just took on like a when he hasn't signed an extension another year He just took a one-year deal. No, there was a trade. It was a trade, but he's only there for one year He's a free agent. He's gonna next year. That's he's about to cash out. Yeah, that's a done. Oh, absolutely Especially they don't pick up anybody else. That's a done deal. But I mentioned the glasses thing with snoop and pop because you know, he was talking about from 1992 to 1996 there was no bigger rapper and snoop dog and It's like when I when we talk about Kobe and brawn, we're talking about two all-time greats It's not that far apart. It's not like we're talking like It's a super gap between the two No, that's ridiculous. No, that's ridiculous. It's not a big deal. I had sugar free of my podcast last week. The rapper? Yes. Wow. Yes. Oh man, did he talk how he rapped? Yes, he does. And I I um, I asked him to watch that interview before we went on and we talked about it And he said that he agrees with glasses. He said that snoop is Like it's not even close snoop is the greatest ever. No, no. We just talked about that four-year period. He said snoop Is that I listen to that when you when y'all did that right now the thing about snoop is I think that snoop is really swept under the rug as far as like as an artist Like people really don't give him his credit and and I got a lot of flack for something I wrote like in the comments All I was saying was is that when pock pock was a big he was a big rapper and all that shit, but nobody was Let's keep it a hundred people really gave a fuck about you starting up. Everybody was in a movie Everybody was selling a million records. Everybody was going gold. Not then everybody was not then All right, let this count the movie shit Pox moments and it's like him signing a death row was the biggest Move he ever made in his career, but you know why? Because he was already starring in above the rim because he already had starred in jews because he starred in poetic justice with jannah jackson Oscar nominated director john singleton because he put out me against the world and went uh number one in the country Right, right and when he was in jail. So that was like kevin durant signed with the warriors I'm just saying don't let's all right with the warriors. Let's not this count But let's not discount the house that snoop and jay built. That's what i'm saying Let's not act like snooping. I seen a kid. Tell me jay didn't even mean nothing. I said my nigga You wasn't even born when this shit happened. You can't listen to people But this what i'm saying is like people really think First of tupac fans are the i'm talking about the hardcore tupac fans are the most delusional craziest motherfuckers on the planet Why you say that because like they know from hollum. He's still mad about it I'm not mad about it No, listen tupac because they're obsessive like they're obsessive like tupac is really he's great I've seen that list like the list. He's 15. I think that's ridiculous that he's 15 on the list But if we talk about terms of rapping, he wasn't as good as a rapper as a lot of people But the nigga was great at making he had a song about everything He made you feel he wasn't a great lyricist like he wasn't a great lyricist. No, but he was he was a great artist I think that he's a great artist. That's what I say music is supposed to make you feel If it doesn't make you feel things and what why would you even listen? He had an amazing flow But a lot of people can't separate the lyricism from the artist Like yeah from the man and his actions and what I love about tupac is that he was us as far as humans being a living contradiction We all are contradictions. We feel one way and feel the next. He just was doing that shit every five seconds Yeah, I mean but Bring them in here. Taylor, go get them. No um As far as as far as star powder like the question what what glasses said was From 92 to 96 snoop dog was a way biggest start in tupac and it wasn't even close Yeah, that's not Wasn't even close is crazy Most west coast rappers people in the west coast do agree with that. I don't see how but the crazy thing is like when I was a kid I didn't even view too. I mean before he got the devil. I didn't view him as a west coast rapper Like he wasn't like a west coast rapper to me when I was technically not He technically not but like I didn't I just didn't view him as a west coast rapper like You know when when I was I didn't think I didn't look at him as a west coast rapper at all I don't know what I looked at tupac as to be honest with you I wasn't really a big tupac fan when he was alive I like I like tupac the the proud pro black, you know, I like his music too, but like I just liked his his message I've always thought he would be a great politician You know, like like just a leader one of our leaders type of his mind was just having a rap I've outlived him 10 years and I still feel like he's older than me Like for real like he's just his mind and his intellect was just on some other shit to be that young Now what year were you born? After a quick question Who's the biggest star from 1992 to 96? Snoop Dogg or tupac? tupac Why do you think that? Wait, you said from 1992. I wasn't born But but in your mind tupac the biggest star. I would say that. Yeah, just based off impact I mean, I love snoop. I would look he's one of the people I wanted to meet but um Yeah, tupac or maybe just because he passed and you know when people passed. Yeah It has more of an impact. I just want to know why why do we discredit the movies? But you understand that this guy was starring in movies. He had already did three movies by the time he got the death row Yeah, like when he was in jail madonna was so but what are we talking about? Are we talking about as an artist? He said biggest star. Yeah. Yeah, definitely tupac Musically was musically it wasn't a big gap between him and snoops That when doggie style came out that shit was a big 800,000 800,000 plus records first week another 800,000 Ain't no streaming This is going in the store and from Englewood, california. Okay. Yes. It was a big deal. It was a big deal Yeah, but Listen, I think in that moment snoop probably was a bigger rap star. Yeah, that's why I think we're talking about I don't know about star but rap star I think it was the west where tupac is from the east and the west like people knew him on the east coast Just as they knew him on the west coast too Yeah, but snoops crushed the buildings. What about movies? Like above the rim. No above the rim is a juice Disagreeing with you, I'm I'm in the middle of saying I can't even choose but me being from LA. I just came I just flew here from LA It's no question in los angeles that snoop is bigger was bigger in that area. It's just what it is Maybe in LA. Yeah, but not throughout america. You guys don't know One of the most snoop is one of the biggest like worldly stars even till this day to this day Like it's the biggest rapper in the world. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah, people don't know that like and he's the best west coast rapper ever But you know, it's crazy that you said Hip-hop a lot of people in the west coast don't feel like that though. Well, I I looked at snoop as like jz of the west coast and then when I said that niggas was like, no, he ain't So who is what are we talking about though? We talk about lyrics lyrics Yes, I got ice cube as a beast with lyrically. Yeah, I would choose snoop Snoop is I mean snoop is the biggest star snoop's discography Yeah, I would choose this. I choose you choose ice cube. Disagraphy over snoops. Disagraphy It's crazy how y'all don't remember turning y'all back on snoop in the second album It's crazy how y'all don't remember how everybody thought that album was so wack It's crazy. I don't father Don't father was trash. I'm not saying it was a period of time. Yo, y'all y'all hated on snoop so much. You had to sign with no limit No But I like we're talking this Yeah, we have my whole body of work after like after friday this nigga ice cube stop rapping. Are you kidding me? Like I saw from west side connection. I saw from west side connection. I saw from west side connection On south west side connection Hold on Let me name some of these ice cube albums because I you you must forget when ice cube came to the east coast and started working with the Bomb squad, bro. That was that was how he tells us about it then All right, good. Hold on. Hold on now America's most wanted america's. What year there come on the 1990 Okay, 1990 nigga. I was nine years old. Deft certificate. I was one Deft certificate. Okay When did he stop that's 93? Leafal injection That's what I'm saying So snoop at with when is with the doggy style came out 93 no disrespect to snoop, but I love snoop These first four albums are better than snoop's catalog. Damn. I don't agree. I don't know about that doggy style is the one and then what We know about that zip lion. I don't know about that Listen If you go watch new perform he got records after records, but we talking about albums Albums Albums, but we songs Snoop got better songs. It might be they might be around even when it comes to Certain songs like that because I ain't gonna act like ice cube is sweet like he got a lot of shit Yes, you got a lot of shit, but snoop has a hell of a discography I think you got to be in the conversation if you're talking about west coast But the reason why I say snoop is because snoop adapted to them snoop played in every fucking era Every ever bro every ever he got a record in every era snoop is like LeBron is still LeBron came into the league with a whole group batch of stars And he that he basically outplayed and then he his era he outplayed now. He a grandpa and he's still outplaying I'll give a Kobe Kobe played against Michael Jordan. He played against LeBron. He played against KD He played against Steph Curry played in like a bunch of different eras snoop got a record in every almost every In a 90 early 90s mid 90s early 2000s late 2000s drop it like it's you got a bunch of fucking records The difference between LeBron Wait, let's not go back to There's nobody that could say they busted Jordan ass. Yes, there is you Wildin It's niggas that gave Michael Jordan buckets. Steve Smith used to give him buckets Steve Smith used to wait a second Wait a second Let's act like championship Bro, you have to watch the heat in the first round of the play I'm saying you acting like nobody never gave Michael Jordan work before my name is no, I'm talking about Kobe Bryant gave Michael Jordan work before I think about it, right? Like you got a girl Like you was dating a girl and his dudes. I could say they fucked your girl. Yeah Can't nobody say they fucked Michael Jordan Michael Jordan got six Michael Jordan six and oh Dr. Whiskey can say he fucked brawn. Think about that No, whiskey The greatest white players ever. He's in my top 10 white people all the time. What you mean? The year that that the my man was formed Don't bring up Dirk. The way Dirk new whiskey got bumped. Yeah, he got the fucking MVP First round exit to the golden state warriors. He ain't get bumped by them. Miami heat That was supposed to be a major loss to the miami. He went do the way shut destroyed them niggas. Yeah without LeBron I remember that But you bring enough dirt if you bring enough dirt you got to bring up every day if you had to be dirt Then you have to be dirt now Dirk is a legend Dirk is married to a beautiful black queen also. Yo, Dirk is black. He didn't marry the black queen Dirk by the way, Dirk got the best fucking Because that was the year after that big carnival. Remember they had the big carnival in Miami Remember they had the big carnival in Miami. You're like we're gonna win eight to nine championships Anybody's gonna see that. Dirk fucked them that year. They outplayed you right. Hey, nobody look Michael join the cross table and say I fucked him. Nope I'm just saying don't act like nobody did anything about Gucci in the NBA Finals In the NBA Finals, he played a little time. Don't act like nobody never gave him buckets. That's what I'm saying Nah, I've got buckets don't count. Buckets don't count. No Nobody nobody remembers that. All you remember at the end of the day is the one in the championship Allen Iverson only had one one game and if that's the case. Yeah No, no, no, no, no. Allen Iverson had one game in life if Buckets don't count. He got swept after he won that one game in the finals. Allen is the only player who doesn't have a ring that doesn't seem like he doesn't have a ring. What do you mean? That's the dream, like Patrick UNC's ringless, but ringless is a mother. He seems ringless is a mother. Charles Brown he won an MVP, then Charles Brown he won an MVP. Call Malone, Steve Ringless, Allen looks like he's a champion to me. No, he does not. Not what I'll not know. He's still waiting for a Reebok check. He's that, no. Really? Yeah, no. You don't consider him a cultural champion? Cultural champion. What are you talking about? Where's the conversation? Don't make me gotta chill dawg. Let's move on. Let me pay some bills. Shout out to LeBron. Postmates. All right, other than your absolute best friends, who could you ask to bring you red wine at 4 p.m., sushi at 9 p.m., and a breakfast burrito at 8 a.m. Postmates. Postmates is your personal food delivery, grocery delivery, whatever you can think of, delivery service all year round. No more trips to the store. You don't even have to know where the store is. Postmates will deliver anything to you. Download the app for iOS and Android for free. Browse local restaurants and businesses and track your delivery. 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. 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Is that the rap list? Yes, man. I had to sign off because this is just too much rap talk for me. I'm an R&B kind of girl. And I was just like, I'm not going to do this with y'all. That's my problem. I already told you who the best rapper alive is and you don't agree with me. Who's that? Drake. He's not. Stop it. I don't even know why you say things like that. Jay-Z just took some pictures yesterday. I don't count him no more though. You don't count him? No, I don't count him. This is my opinion. He's a god. I feel like he's on Mount Rushmore. Jay-Z shouldn't be in that category either at this point. He shouldn't be on a list. He's got the statue. No, he's not on a list. Yeah. He's got the statue. I mean, he's in your top five or you're, you know what I mean? If you have to include that. Jay-Z, first of all, Ghostface Killer is my personal favorite rapper of all time. My personal favorite rapper is Ghostface Killer. The greatest rapper of all time is Sean Carter. And it's not even, it's really, it's honestly not even close. You're probably right. But Jay-Z has never made me want to have sex to his music. Because he ain't making them kind of records. I have an opinion. I have an opinion. You see what I mean? America has an opinion. I think Jay-Z is yours. And Drake sells a lot of records. Do it again. No, I ain't doing that. I think Jay-Z is yours. And I think Drake is LeBron. Wow. I do. Really? I think Drake is LeBron. I think Kanye is Kobe. That's weird. I do. That's weird. What part of Kobe's career is this? Yeah. I think it's the, I think it's the Kobe that won five championships. Right now? What do you mean? Kanye. So right now, right now, is Torna Killies. Torna Killies, absolutely. 100%. Okay. I feel you. What is your issue with the list? Do you guys have issues with that? I don't know who made it. I don't know who made it. Why are we giving this shit credibility? We don't even know who the fuck made that. Joe Budden might have made that list. Joe, I said, how the fuck is Joe doing? Speaking of Joe, last week I just heard a song by Joe Budden where I was told he was talking about LL Cool J and his wife. Do you guys know this song? No. Oh, I got a plan for you. It's great. He talks about going to Vegas and fucking his wife. Is that Joe? That Joe Budden. Or is it somebody impersonating him? No, it's Joe Budden. No, but Joe, let me not take none from Joe. Joe is today's not the rapper. He's a fucking great rapper and a lot of people can't tie shoes when it comes to rapping. If you got to put him on the show, he could wrap around a lot of people. He don't make great records though. He didn't, but I think that he made the records that satisfied his fan base. That's fan base. Word up. Now with this list, my biggest problem I had with this list was one, there's no women on this list. Because I don't say one thing. That's what Brett said. She said that's what he said. I don't know anything about what Mika was talking about, Joe Budden sleeping with LL Cool J. I'm going to find out the name of this song right now. I don't want no problem with LL Cool J. LL Cool J will beat this shit out you. Oh god. All right? Okay. All right. Okay, cool. The next thing I had, I think that there's a lot of the right people on here, but the placements are wrong. There's no women in this, and the placements on here is all wrong to me. Brett, I don't give a fuck about this list because I don't know who wrote it. I don't know why this can go on the internet and everybody start giving this shit credibility. We don't know where this shit came from. Because the internet nigga, it don't matter. You seen a kid that was faking like he was Travis Scott and almost broke him and Kylie Jenner into some bullshit just because he could. Yeah, he did a whole thing. People do shit just because they can. These niggas is lit. If they don't drop an album after this, they need to do something with this shit. Ooh, we don't know where that came from. It came from The Brew. It's some dudes that do a podcast called The Brew or some shit like that. Oh, I never heard of it. And now they get all the shine on it. And I didn't know that. All the shine on it. They should have put The Brew on here somewhere so we know where it came from. I heard it from Cincinnati though. These dudes are from Cincinnati and some shit. Is there any rappers from Cincinnati? Bow Wow. Yeah, no. Is there any rappers from Cincinnati? Whole legend. Bow Wow is a legend. Legend. Whole legend. Bow Wow is a legend. Whole legend. Bow Wow is a legend. See, y'all think of Bow Wow now. Bow Wow was selling out the garden 20 times a night. I don't care. Bow Wow is a legend. You know how you got to be selling out the garden 20 times in a one night? I don't care. So did a whole bunch of people that don't matter. He birthed a nation. Bow Wow is lost. People would give Bow Wow so much respect if he was taller. If he was taller, they wouldn't play with him like that. I think if he didn't make up lies and do some fake corny shit. Nah, if he was taller, none of that shit would have happened. It wouldn't have happened. It wouldn't have happened if he was taller. So you're saying he wouldn't do the corny shit that he did if he was taller? No, I'm just saying people would give him respect. Niggas wouldn't call him Bow Wow. They'd call him Shad if he was taller. Bow Wow was six feet people. And it's fucked up because that's a lot on his mind, man. Like a lot of shit. No, I'm going to keep it all the way. You do have a complex. No, I'm going to keep it. You got a complex. You got a complex. He was a kid. Like he was a kid. I can't imagine like having to wake up and fucking rehearse and shit at 10 years old and all this other stuff. He did so much shit before he was 18 years old. Yeah, but he's still stuck in there. And that's the problem. He still thinks he's a little Bow Wow. That's what he just said. He did it first. If you would have been taller, I'm gonna ask that nigga that question. Yo, my nigga, if you was taller, you think people would treat you the way you do? Bow Wow is, I guarantee you Bow Wow is going through a midlife crisis right now. He did that whole, I didn't do that first thing with Sierra. Why? That's so corny. You did it first. First of all, like you really didn't. But it's just corny to say. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like imagine having Bow Wow as a body. You know what I'm saying? Nah, but see, they made him a butter. You married Russell Wilson. Did you all see his pictures of him with her on his tippy toes taking pictures with her? It's bad because he became a butter people's joke because of his height. You're with guns the size of a little Bow Wow. Right? Did you see the shit that Conceited said? What did he say? What he said? He said, he said, he said, your bitches must be psychics because they keep seeing the future. You ain't saying you ain't that long? No, no, no. Yo, I'm wilding out. Because you know there's Sierra and there's other baby mom. That's crazy. That line was crazy. Yo, GZ predicted, he was sick. Young GZ predicted the fall of little Bow Wow. And he's the first person to use Bow Wow as a verb. No, maybe he wasn't 50. But when he said, first off, I'm a motherfucking G and I never let a bitch little Bow Wow. I never understood why he said that back in the day. But now I say it all the time. I'll be like, don't let, I told somebody that I told the artist that they, yo, stop Bow Wowing yourself. Oh my God. I did. That's what I'm saying. I did. So you can't change his whole trajectory of his life. I swear to God, if Bow Wow would have been like six, three, people wouldn't joke with him like that. But would he be Bow Wow though? He wouldn't be Bow Wow. That's what I'm saying. The perception would be different. Because everybody looks at him as like this little guy. He's a grown man. He's still bite-sized. Really? They say he's like a little Wayne though? He's bite-sized. He's going to be on the same height as Mars. The little Wayne always was little Wayne. Like he just became the game with little Wayne. Little Bow Wow. Exactly. He's not little Bow Wow no more. Little Bow Wow. He just don't know. Because Bow Wow's not really his name. I'm not joking, man. Bow Wow's not even his name. You know, Wayne. Because him is Shad Moss. Yeah. People would call him Shad Moss if he was 6'1. Yeah. Nah. Yes they would. I don't believe that. They would have called him. Because I'm telling you, because a lot of rap niggas would be like, nah, yo nigga Bow Wow, I'll probably give it up. Big Bow Wow. Imagine Big Bow Wow. Nah, that's wild. And I'm going to tell you, the only thing I do like about these lists that I'm seeing is the fact that it is generational rappers on there. But there's no women on that rap list that- Yeah, how you don't have Missy on there? How you don't have Brat on there? No, it depends what you're talking about though. Brat should be on there. Okay, if you're talking about lyrics, yes, the Brat should be on there. The Brat is- What are we talking about when we talk about these lists? Are we talking about impact? Are we talking about lyrics? Are we talking about album sales? What are we talking about? It's a lot, because I felt like, and even with me being from Harlem, I felt like Missy ain't been on there. Nope. Missy ain't not be on there. He got one classic album. You don't like Harlem World? I have Harlem. I still play that to this day. No, I love- I loved me at that time, but like, he had one good- Like he had a few good years, and then after 97, that was it. Yeah, you're right. Me, after 97. Nobody cares about Welcome Back. You're right. Nobody cares about that June and shit. I'm on record, and I'll say this until I'm blue in the face. Harlem World is trash. Wow. Trash is- That's a trash album. Okay, let's go to the trash list. Let's go to the trash list. No, because let's do this. Now, it's- I don't think it's a classic. It's a trash album. It's cool. To me, it was cool. Bro, it's trash. I fucking loved that album. I was- when Harlem World came out, I was disappointed. You won't know I was disappointed though, because I was in high school, and that was- we had this whole Brooklyn Harlem thing, and Jay-Z was the man, and Mace was like, Mace was a bigger artist than Jay at that time. He was selling more records than Jay. Listen, I'm not a rap person though. 20 tracks. I'm not a rap person, and I'm from LA, and I think Harlem World is a classic. Gobbage. Let's go through it. Do you want to get money with Puff Daddy? Yeah, that was trash. Trash. Take what's yours featuring DMX. Decent. Niggas want to know. That's a decent song. I'ma take yours. That shit? That was good. That was cool. That was cool. Would they die for you featuring Puff Daddy? Oh, I love that song. Would they die for you it was good? Looking at me was fire. I hate that song. Why are you over them more? But I'ma give y'all that. I'ma give y'all that. Oh my girl's taking yours. Love You So featuring Billy Lawrence. I hated that. The Playaway featuring 8-Ball. That was hard. That was hard. Niggas want to act. That was hard. That's the best record on the album. That was hard. It feels so good. Hard. Hard. What you want? Hard. Yes. Cheat on you. Decent. That's decent. With Lil C's A.P. That's a decent song. 25 hours to live. Fire. Fire. I need to be featuring Monifa. Nah. One of her mace. Like? I didn't like. I'ma tell you why I didn't like One of Her Mace because he spit it on the radio. Jealous guy. Jealous guy was fine. Classic. Jealous guy was fine. That shit is garbage. Jealous guy was fine. Are you serious? Jealous guy was fine. Yo, don't get me wrong. You can shoot yourself guy like this. You know. Jealous. Jealous. Jealous. Jealous. I don't fucking knew what this shit should over. That shit was garbage. You can do that to me. My name is Puff Daddy. I'm a Scorpio and I'm not a Jealous Guy. That shit was plastic. It was a good album. Fire. Out of 20 tracks. Not giving it a T-Shallowing name. Out of 20 tracks, four, five are interludes. Y'all name, y'all name. So let's go. Let's go. Let's go. That's 14 songs. 14 songs. Y'all named five bangers. No. No, we got to say more than five. No, I just said five bangers. Everything else was like, aye. No, I said more than five. You said, do you want to give us whack? That was whack. I said more than five. You said take us yours was whack. No, we did not say it was whack. That was good. That was good. Will they die for you? Will they die for you? Classic. No. Oh my god. I didn't like that. I didn't like that. I didn't like that. I'm going to die for you. Looking at me. Fire. Okay. That's one. That's the first fire we got. And we six tracks in. And that's not like that. No, but you look at them. You looking at them. You look at one of the best interludes. All right, so one. That's two interludes. Say that and that white girl interlude. They won the best interludes ever. We three songs in. Yeah, white girl interludes fire. We three songs in. Looking at me. The first one y'all say was fire. Oh, Arvion? I love Arvion. Love you so. I love you so. I didn't like love you so. The play away. That way it's fire. Fire. That's two. Niggas want to act. Yeah. Niggas want to act. It's fire. Three. It feels so good. It's fire. Four. What you want is fire. Five. Okay. Cheat on you. Jealous guy. 24 hours left. Six. Fire. 24 hours. No. Watch your back. That's interlude. One of her mace. One of her mace. I didn't like that only because he spit on the radio. And Jealous guy, which I've never heard anybody say. That's eight songs right there. That's seven. I counted eight. That's seven out of how many shows? I counted eight. Fourteen. Fourteen. That's half. That's half. That's half. That's half. Gobbage. I counted eight. Gobbage. Eight. You could make the Hall of Fame show of 50%. Thank you. But mace shouldn't be on that list though. No way. You're right. Not with that sub-par album. That's what we come with. You're right. Okay. Who else? Who else? And then we can go to the top 50 R&B. What? He got more credibility. I can't even see it. He wrote this? Oh, never mind. I can't see it. Mike Tyson even put out a list today. You serious? Every list-tongue rapper was top three. I hate that shit. Thank you. All the list-tongue rappers were top three. He had Biggie, school G-Rap. Yo. Did he put 50 Tyson in there? 50. 50 Tyson. 50 Tyson. Yo. We had that special air there. The special air. Were people trying to flip retarded people? By the way? No, for real. They were trying to flip them. They were trying to flip them. They were trying to flip them. J.J. Icefish. J.J. Icefish. They were hilarious. But the A-town, it was like, I knew dudes that I was like, I'm going to find the special needs niggas in my hood and put some money behind it. And put them on. They were. It was going on. That was a wave that was happening. The reason I fucked with Mike Tyson's list, because number one, Mike Tyson is a hip hop head and Mike Tyson is the only person unless I'm mistaken that I've seen Scarface on this list. Okay, what makes Mike Tyson a hip hop head? Yeah, what? He grew up in that era. That makes him a hip hop head. Man, watch out. Like, so people care about Mike Tyson's music opinion? No, but Mike was the first person that was like, at least on a mainstream level, that I can really remember embracing hip hop in a real, real way. Coming to the ring with rappers. Coming to the ring with rap songs. He did. You know what I'm saying? He got Melly Mellon here. I mean, listen, it's generational. It's generational. It's generational. I didn't grow up on Melly Mellon. I don't know what Melly Mellon was, but I know he's the first person I saw with Scarface on the list. No, I said that people had an issue because I said that about rock music. Oh, no, they do have face on there. Because I said that about Rock Him. Like, Rock Him doesn't mean to me what J.D. kissed me on the ring. And that's what, you know what I've heard a lot? Like, whenever I hear people having a debate about hip hop, Rock Him is easily the name I hear the most. Like, the most. Rock Him taught all these new niggas how to rap. Like the greatest. He did. Like, people say lyrically, he is like the greatest. But you know what the problem behind me with that is like, a person that asks me, yo, like, people watch Pay the Phone and be like, yo, how is New York in 88? I be like, I think I was five years old. I don't fucking know. Like, oh, I thought you meant like, they thought you was Wood Harris. That's why they was asking you. Whatever. But no, but even with Rock Him, I didn't, like, I started to understand Rock Him's music as I got older. I didn't, like. Set a flashback. My bad. I was playing a celebrity basketball game. Yeah, no, like, hold on. Let me get to that. Hold on, go ahead, go ahead. Wait, don't finish. No, I just said, no, that was crazy. But no, all I said is that, like, I didn't grow up, like, listening to Rock Him. Like, I went back and listened, but like. First hip hop song I ever heard was Rock Him. First hip hop song I ever heard was Walk This Way. Run DMC. My cousin Ty let me hear Rock Him when I was 10 years old, I believe, 9, 10 years old. Paid him for the first rap song I ever heard. Or at least the one that caught my attention. I was the first one that ever caught my attention. Like, oh, shit, what is this? But why you say fuck with Harris? I just had a flashback. You ain't never heard that in your life. No, it ain't fucking. We never heard about it. I just said fuck with Harris. It's childish. It's really petty. I feel bad I even said that. I was playing in a celebrity game and we were down two. I was on fire. I was hitting the shots. And then it was the last play we had called the time out to draw up a play for me to hit the shot and win the game. And he, instead of setting the screen for me, he slipped the screen and got the ball. The nigga passed it to him from out of bounds and he shot the three and missed it and we lost the game. You on the team with Motard. And I was looking at him like, the play was for me. But how many years ago was this? This was 2005. Why are you holding on to this? 2005. Why are you holding on to this? I shouldn't. That's what I said. It was tattiest fucking I even said that. I just had a flashback. It was like a bad flashback. Like there her goal. I got left that goal. Who here is my bad dog? I didn't mean it. I love you. My bad. Why are we giving this list credibility? Are we giving it credibility or are we just discussing it because it started a conversation? I think as we just... And I think top 50 is way too much. Why don't you put on a list, Charlamagne? Where's your list? I don't give a fuck that much. So why you give a fuck about their list then? Because I don't like the fact that... Well, until I found out that it came... I didn't know who it came from to where we were giving so much credibility to this list. You know what I'm saying? And there's certain things that are just biased. Like, it's not a subjective list. When you got Joe Budden at your number three greatest rapper of all time, you just loved Joe Budden, which is cool. But you're not going to make the rest of the world believe some shit that we know is not true. They might have trolled us the whole shit though. Because I even feel like Big Pump being 44 is crazy. DMX being 22 is crazy. 2Pac being 15 is crazy. And what's the list based off? That's the other thing I want to know. You can do any research. They probably had a whole podcast about this list. None of us listened to it. We just saw they listened to it. Now they fall for putting it out with no context. There's no rules to make a list though. That's the tough thing. There's no rules to make a list. So it's like everybody has a different criteria as to why their favorite... Like, it's Niggas that's going to say, KZ is my favorite rapper because he had the number one album and called a gun charge the same year. People say shit like that. That's why Drake's my favorite because I listen to his music so much. There's so much of my life revolved around Drake lyrics. It's just what it is. But am I wrong? What's Drake lyrics? No! Am I wrong? That's your guy. I understand. I thought Drake is one of the... I put him as one of the best ever. Like, I definitely think he's the best ever. Yeah. The best ever. Liggas Charlamagne. Look. Yeah. Oh. He's one of the greatest ever. Objectively, he is. He's one of the greatest ever. I mean, it depends though. Listen, regardless of whether he writes his music or not, I must still say he's one of the greatest ever because it's very rare that you can find somebody in any genre of music that can do all those different genres of music successfully. Everything. Yeah. He takes me to the club. Whenever you go through a breakup or you're having a fight, even not even with a man, just with your friends, then he makes music for sex. Then he just talks to us as women all the time. He's always talking to us like... Like a lot of rappers, like the reason I don't like hip hop that much is because most of it is about like, the content is stuff that I can't relate to. Do you know what I mean? Drake be talking about, I should have told you I was coming in town so you could have got a shift off from work. That speaks to all of us. Yeah. Do you see what I mean? Not when it's Marvin's room. You know, that's when you don't want to hear. You find out, you know what I mean? Yeah. But you see what I mean? Like a lot of hip hop to me, I get mad because whenever people say, well, he's not a real rapper because he didn't write his own lyrics. But what happens if a person writes a song that's not true even though it's their lyrics? Is that still cool? That's all subjective though. You see what I mean? It depends on what we're talking about. But I don't think that he didn't write anything. I think he got caught with a little couple things that he got caught with. But I... If he shows us. It can't be that good and not right. Not how somebody helped him. If somebody was writing that much for me, like, and I'm not saying that, like people writing at 4 a.m. or 6 a.m. But if you rap like that, there's no way possible you don't know how to do that shit. I don't say it when great people you perform as an ass of drugs. Yeah, it's the PED. If you already great and you use the PED, great. It's not going to make you any more graded than you already are. You understand what I'm saying? Like, it's not like the wackest nigga on the team can take performance and have the drugs and then become Drake. You're right. It's not going to happen. Correct. Like, it's just enhancing what I was in you. That's what I'm saying about HGH and sports and everything. I think they should allow athletes to use it because just because you take HGH, that doesn't mean you're going to get to the league. No, not at all. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yes, you're right. I'm like a friend of Drake is the last person that made me feel hate, though. Why? I saw that nigga house on Instagram. Bro, I hated for like 30 seconds. I mean, I was just like filled with hate. See? And I was inspired. I'm not even going to lie to him. I was after 30 seconds. Because you know, you say you watching it and you say a little petty shit, like, fuck, he got lights on his house. You know what I'm saying? That's a little petty shit. Same to Christmas. And you know, I didn't stand to nobody. I was just saying it to myself. And then I'm looking at him like, fuck, he got a bar in the bathroom. You can also look the bar. You can stand on the bar and overlook the basketball court. That's the bullshit. I'm like, I'm in my mind. I'm like, why? Nigga, because he can't. Because he can't. And I ain't mad at him. You earned that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you should build the house of your motherfucking dreams. Yeah. Then you started hating again. Like, he ain't got no family, though. Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you know what I'm saying? But I was dying. But I was dying. I was dying. I was dying. His kid don't live with you. He's just imagining drinking that big ass house. Big ass house lonely as hell. Hate. And it's fine if you can recognize that in yourself and then you turn that hate into motivation. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Then you start hating again. You're like, what the fuck am I motivated by? A 30-something-year-old nigga from Canada. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's how you feel, money. But I respect it. I'm not mad at him. I'm like, yo, that's what you work hard for. Yeah. That's the type of shit you should have. That's all the sacrifices. Everything he's done and he can do those type of things. I hate when people think like, you got to do what they want you to do with your money. It's my money. If I want to take this shit out and set it on fire, I can. You get your ass something. Ooh, let me ask you this. Being a father, do you feel that way about baby mothers that get child support? I got one baby mother, so I don't know. But do you feel like a woman, like a guy is always saying, like, I give her this much money and this is what she does with it? It's none of your business once you give it to her. She can do whatever she wants. I just be looking at shit like that. Like, that's the penalty. That's a penalty in the game. Like, it's like a foul. Yeah. That means like, that's a penalty that comes with being successful. It's like, because I've seen something one time where an artist had to pay like, I think he had to pay like $9,500 a month for child support, right? $9,500 a month. What the fuck do you need $9,500 a month? It's not even about that. Right, but look, but then, when he was in a movie or some shit, they upped it to like $18,000 or some shit. I'm like, damn. So like, is it based on the child? Is it based on the career? It's what it is to create. This is what you should understand. It's like, it's like a basic living arrangement. And that's, you know, just enough to live nice, comfortable, not nothing great. As soon as your kid goes to his dad's house to visit, he don't want to go back home. Yeah, I get that. See what I mean? I mean, I went when my kids living in a, like, I went and like, if I wasn't in a situation, I wouldn't have like, be living in some crazy ass house into my kids. But that's how people think that it should be. I ain't got nothing to do with your poor ass mama niggas. Right? No. They should change child support to have that money go to the kid and the kid get it when they're 18 years old. Or you should make better, raw decisions. That is very true too. Yeah. But that's, okay. But women be hitting licks too on their kids. They be hitting licks on kids. All right, so when the judge says, you know what, you had a baby with her, you know, she got to introduce to us to a certain lifestyle. Like y'all fucked in a holiday in express. All right. Okay. That's why I'm fucked in. That's the lifestyle. That's where it started. I didn't know her before this, John. I fucked in one night. And then she nine months later, she pregnant. Your nut is worth $18,000 a month. No, we're going to keep that holiday in lifestyle. Your nut. Free breakfast. Free breakfast, that's it. Your chips is worth $18,000 a month. You should be careful where you squirt it. You might got a point. Yeah. But I just think with the child support, it should go to the child. Child support. You're right. Now, spouses support something else. I think that what they could do is change child support in a way that the child gets it when they're 18. That's what I'm saying. Not all of it, because you still got to live. You still, she's, the mother still has to live. It's different when a man has a baby and he's not in the household with her. He has a life. He doesn't need a nanny. He don't need to take off work if the baby's sick. It's a lot of stuff that women have to deal with. And I'm not saying that validates $18,000, but what I'm saying is you don't have to deal with that when you're not in the house with the child. She has to pay for things you don't know about. $1,000. You know? Well, I just don't like the $1,000 puff. Andrew Yang, universal basic wage. You can work at McDonald's and make more than that. Universal basic wage, $1,000 a month, she good. Yeah. Listen, it's just all, it's all a hustle. Yeah. You just got to know. I don't pay child support at all. I'm not in no situation when I'm not in that situation at all. He's blessed. I'm going to say blessed. I'm not in that situation at all. He made correct, raw decisions. I did, absolutely. I listened. There was some bumps along the way, but I did. I brought the wrong things, but you know that's what abortions are. Not anymore. Not anymore. Look, they trying to ban abortions. That's crazy. They trying to tell. This only thing we own is our pussy. And they want to tell us what to do with that too. That's wild. Jesus. That's wild. I think anybody that wants to ban abortions never had the wrong person pregnant. That's a very interesting perspective because I synthesized with you on that one. Yeah. And even since some men don't want the abortion, women want the abortion sometimes. Absolutely. The two times I've had abortions, three. The two times three. Whatever, three. It wasn't my choice ever. I asked my husband to abort my son when I was pregnant because I had just gotten a job, a sports reporting job, and they will fire you as a reporter if you're pregnant. And I was like, this is like my job. I was so excited. I hadn't got the job yet, but I had made the final stages of the interviewing and there was only two people left. And I felt like I was going to get it. And I found out I was pregnant. And I was like, you know, can we just abort this one right quick and then have another one? Right quick. Yeah. Put him positive. And he was just like, nah. Because, you know, I was thinking about my career, like I had been working my ass off at what, to school, graduate, everything. And then I found out I was pregnant. So did you have the abortion? No, my son's eight years old. Oh, got you, got you, got you, got you. But I wanted to and my husband was like, nah, nah. Does your son know about this? That you wanted to abort him right quick? Yes, he knows. I should have aborted him. Why would you tell him that I ate? I told, my son knows his entire journey into earth. I told it through voice and I have documented video. I've been documenting my pregnancy since I found out I was pregnant. Wow. Yeah. But I mean, I'm truthful. I'm honest with my son. I tell him, I want him to know everything. I want nobody else to walk into his face and tell him nothing about his mother, or his father, or his life that he hasn't already heard. That shit is depressing though when you start thinking about like abortions and stuff like that. Yeah. My dad told me that his mom told him she tried to drink something to get rid of him. Oh, God. For real, like she tried. You're ready, you? Nah, no, my dad told me his mom. Tried to get rid of him. Like she tried to get rid of him. He's the oldest of five. But she, so he always like had like a, a bitter, I wouldn't say resentment, but they had a crazy relationship. Like, you know what I mean? They had a crazy relationship. It was like knowing your mom was like, she's not even abortions. I don't know if they was even, let me not say it was not doing abortions. I don't know what time it was. They probably was doing the hanger stuff. All types of wild shit. So, but he just was like, he just was cold from that moment on when he found that out. He felt away about it. Two of my kids would be wild old right now. Like 20 something. I'm serious. Yeah. They'd have been in here arguing about this top 50 list. Yeah. I'm serious. They'd have been like 20 something years old. You know what's crazy about that? I got friends that's like, I'm 36, but I got friends that's becoming grandparents now. Like, I got friends that's my friends. I don't know me that was 30, like 36 and became a grandfather. Yeah. But the shit that's so messed up about is like, I'm seeing dudes like from my neighborhood who like have a kid really young, go to prison, come home. And then by the time they come home, they son is off to prison. Crazy. If for real, like that shit is insane. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that he's in prison. Yeah. Because it's like the blonde lead in the blonde list. Nobody there to break the generational curse. Exactly. All right, guys and gals, I think that's it. You got to go anyway, right, Miko? Yes. But can I just talk about my podcast? Yeah, of course. I have a podcast. Hey, check it out. I would love to be on your podcast. Yes. I would love to have you on, because I see now you got a great sports IQ. Thank you. And that would be pretty cool. Fuck all y'all on Twitter. That's because y'all agree on LeBron. Oh, God. I'm going to make sure I argue. I like to argue with people about podcasts. I will find a way for us to argue. We're going to find a way. But I have a podcast. I have Harbico podcast. I'm doing my first live show, August 31st, my three-year anniversary for my show. Congratulations, Rats. Thank you very much. Thank you. It's going to be in Miami Labor Day weekend. And it's going to be fun. It's not going to be a typical sports podcast. It's going to be pretty fun. During hot girl weekend. Yeah. I'm out the country that weekend. Yes. A lot of people are out of the country are doing all kind of stuff. But we're going to be doing a live show. So if you guys are interested, make sure you check out my Instagram, iHeartMico, and I have a YouTube channel as well. So you can check out my podcast on there and everything Mico. Hey, what about you, Wayno? Every day struggle is still going strong? Every day struggle is still going strong, you know? Act a lot on your weight? No, of course not. I ain't seen that again, man. Let's talk about that again. Act is doing good though. But yeah, every day struggle. And then, you know, I just became a VP of A&R at Asylum. Hey, congratulations. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate that. So I'm signing new acts, you know what I mean? Trying to break new acts. And then I also got my company trying to go offense. You know what I mean? Then we get the everyday struggle. You can catch me on Everyday Struggle Monday through Thursday on YouTube, 12 p.m. And I was going to say LeBron is a God off the court. Whatever. One more thing. King on the court. I got a job at Dish Nation too, by the way. Oh, that's an actual job? Yes. What you doing? Talking shit on TV. Oh, you on the TV show? Yes. Oh, that's what you do? I started Monday. It's on Fox. So portion out on it anymore? She is. She is. I'm doing part-time right now because I can't live in Atlanta. So I'm just going to be doing maybe two every week here and there until I figure out what else I want to do. Congratulations. Thank you. Black people getting money. Yes. That's what I like to hear. Tell me. Listen, as always, if you listen to this podcast. What? Hello, what? Oh, John, my fault. God damn it. John, been over your quiet, is that? I try to hold down white people. That's cool. That's good. Now I get it. We ain't treat John like a black woman in here. Yeah, that's cool. Oh, shit. Like a black female sports reporter. That's cool. That's cool. I'm used to it. I'm a comedy tourist in Baltimore and D.C. The rest of you are internjohncomedy.com. You can follow me internjohnradio. Hey. I'm going to check you out because I like comedy. I love comedy. You are? Yeah, I like that. I love comedy. That's a good shit. As always, if you listen to this podcast, you think we're smart. You think we're intelligent. You think we're brilliant. Absolutely right. But if you listen to this podcast and think we're just a couple idiots who don't know shit, you're right too. It's a brilliant podcast. Thank you for listening. 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