 I think I followed you on Twitter and Claude Williams was the name that just lingered in the atmosphere. Because he would be talking to someone and they would be like, oh yeah, I stalked Claude Williams, I can't stand it. There's so many big names out there that you would think are wonderful people that you'd like to learn from. You don't know. You don't know what's happening behind the scenes. I'll ask you this question. You could have been paid to do this but you chose mentorship. Do you regret that decision? So if it isn't no no, you're part of the Dream Nation team. You've been doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes to help get us to where we are now. Normally on these episodes, in between interviews, people used to see Abisoye. He was back in her hide and place behind the camera. But today I wanted to have a bit of a different conversation with you guys because in a distant team being team members, we do also do a bit of mentorship. But before we jump into that, it would be great for people to hear a little bit from you. So could you give a quick introduction? The way you play. For context, I'm a filmmaker and within the Dream Nation team, I creative direct and direct the advertising side of things. My role kind of changes here and there. So now we're kind of going into content strategy, which is super exciting, but yeah. Nice. What is my role on the Dream Nation? Behind the Dreams, I guess creative consulting. Pretty much community building, kind of talking about like how do we make this impactful, grow it. I talk to Claude often. We talk about all things from mentorship to kind of where we're taking this and the Dream Nation community. So yeah, that's what I do. Excellent. So not sure if those are the clearest. They're not clear. I mean, we'll have to do. So rather than just like you guys bombarding me with questions or me bombarding you with questions, what we did do is we put out on Instagram on each of our personal channels. And if you don't follow us on Instagram, I think we will try and put our names and profiles and stuff on screen right now. But we put this out, we got a bunch of questions in. I'm going to say 99.9% came from Courtney's Digital Sisterhoods at TMS. So shout out to you guys for coming through on that one. But we do have a list of questions to go through. I was told I should go with Courtney first. Yes. But no. Why? So Steph, I'll let you put the first question. Okay, cool. The first question is how did you know that he was the mentor that you needed? Question. How did I know Claude was the mentor? I knew Claude before he became my mentor. I can't remember how I met you Claude. University. Was it at my uni? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Are you sure? No. I definitely knew Claude because he went to my university and he was an alumni and at the time this was when Dream Nation did lots of events and stuff. So I went during uni and I loved the whole Dream Nation movement and stuff like that. I feel like I bumped into you some point during then. I think the company and what you were doing at the time really just aligned with what was important to me. In terms of just dreaming big, I've always been a bit of a dreamer. But the practical side was something that I didn't really have as much of strength in. I just remember, I don't know how I initially met you but I think we just kept bumping into each other at events or at any Dream Nation stuff that we did or you did. And I just thought, this guy is so smart. Every conversation that we had just felt super valuable in some way. And I just thought that you're just someone that I wanted to have around. If that makes sense. And yeah, at the time it started off quite informally in that like sometimes I would just have questions and you were kind enough to kind of share your insights on stuff. And at the time I was working on a social enterprise as well. So the fact that Dream Nation was a social enterprise kind of there was a lot to learn from you. And then over time we just kind of kept that relationship going. And now it's kind of a more kind of formalized mentorship. But yeah, that is, I hope I answered the question. I think I lied as well. It was the, what was then the Powerless Foundation and now the Leto Foundation. So you did go to my uni, but that I actually met you through that charity. Through that, there we go. Great stuff. I think so. I know that you're meant to be my mentor. So funnily enough, I think we met through the internet. I have a very strong feeling we met through the internet. I think I followed you on Twitter and Claude Williams was the name that just lingered in the atmosphere. Because like you'll be talking to someone that would be like, oh yeah, I still, it's Claude Williams. Who the heck is that? So I followed you on Twitter and you're building Dream Nation. And I think like someone on your team then reached out to me to cover some social media for a Dream Nation gala. And so I was like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. What would be part of this Claude Williams bubble? And I think I just stayed in your bubble. I think we followed each other, followed each other's journeys. And I think there was a day where you came to Cambridge to speak at an event and you put on Twitter. I'm going to be in Cambridge. Does anyone want, does anyone want to meet for a coffee just to talk? Yeah, I do. So I think I messaged you and you're like, you're the only person who messaged me. And we went to, I think Starbucks or something. And we sat down for like hours and we just spoke and spoke about like business, my plans after university. I got to know more about your journey and your story. And you were just filled with so much knowledge that I left feeling really encouraged that like my plans to dive into entrepreneurship post university could actually work. And so I think in my mind then I was like, if I need anything, I can go and like ask Claude because he just knows stuff. So yeah, we stayed in each other's kind of like network. And then you asked me to come up behind the dreams with Renee and immediately like kind of sorting out the episode you called and we were like, we actually haven't spoken in a really long time. Like since that day in Starbucks, we haven't really caught up. So let's arrange a catch up. And as we were catching up after the podcast recording, it just like came in my heart that like I act at this stage in my life. I actually really need that for Williams guidance. So we're just catching up and talking and you were you had put on your story that you needed like you wanted someone to talk to about growing and growth strategy of the behind the dreams podcast. And I've been working on like freelance projects around video growth strategy. So I was like, oh, well, I have something to offer you and you have something I actually need. So in that conversation, I brought it up that like I'm more than happy to consult on video growth and like community building in exchange for mentorship. And you're like, deal and you've been stuck with me ever since. And I think to add to that stuff, your relationship is similar in terms of you do have a role here. But then also the exchange for the role was mentorship in that regard. I was I think was a quite an interesting deal that ended up happening in both cases. So I'll ask you this question. You could have been paid to do this, but you chose mentorship. Do you regret that decision? No, absolutely not. I'll choose it again. I think people can underestimate how valuable knowledge can be and wisdom if you practice it. And that's yeah, that is the precondition. Like if you don't put it into practice, it won't mean anything. But I think knowing that I'm in a stage in my life where I actually want to make real and tangible different like difference in terms of growth and change, like having wisdom, like the right wisdom and knowledge can save you so much time and money and stress. Like so many of our conversations have even though I always accuse you of shouting. He never shouts, but I'm like, why are you shouting at me? So loud. I can hear it ringing in my ears. But yeah, like I think the value of that, I can't like you can't you can't really put a price on it. So yeah, I think if there was anyone that I need that really needed like during this time, I think I'm really glad that that was the first. That was the when you asked, I like what can you do? I was like, coach me. That's what you can do. So yeah, yeah. And I think what's interesting in both cases because I don't take one mentee anymore and I just don't have the time for it. And I don't even take on coaching clients, even though people are asking, can I can you can I coach them willing to pay all of that? It's like I don't have the time or energy. So it's interesting that you both have got something that literally money can't buy anymore. So I'm glad that it seems to be worth it for you so far. It is. Courtney, did you have another question? I do. I do. People want to know things. Okay. How often should I meet my mentor? So in our case for both. So I actually meet with you weekly as of right now, but we're doing it in alternating. So one week's mentoring one week is actually like consulting or doing something for the company in that regard. So how are you finding that in your in your frequencies every two weeks for mentoring session working or like more like less? How's that going? It's definitely working for me. I think each session is so practical and so in depth that you leave with a lot to do a lot to implement. And one thing you are going to do is hold someone accountable. Like you're going to pull up. I don't know if it's a note. She a doc. I do. Hey, how are you? Good. Okay. Like what do you need help with? All right. Cool. Then suddenly silence for about 30 seconds. So last time you said that you were going to. So I think that accountability also lets you know, okay, after this session I need to walk away and actually do something. And I think two weeks is a good amount of time to actually put things in place, but also not let things run for too long. I think monthly can sometimes feel like you're not really going to be able to hold me accountable. I'm just going to start rushing my tasks like a few days before I need to see you again. Whereas weekly can also feel like the week's gone by too quickly for me to even think about and process the session or what you told me to do. So I think every two weeks has worked really well. But I also think what's unique about our dynamic is because we have still have weekly meetings. It's just one week is more focused on Dream Nation. It's still a form of mentorship because we both learned so much about our craft and we grow as consultants, as filmmakers, as creatives. We grow so much working in this avenue that even though we're working on behind the dreams or Dream Nation stuff still feels a bit like a coaching kind of session. It's more like I guess business coaching, but I still grow as a person even in those sessions as well. So I guess you could kind of say it's still weekly, but the alternating week or the Dream Nation week is more me strengthening my professional capacity more than my personal, which I think is still really beneficial. I think what is unique about the way that I mentor is it ends up being a blend of mentorship and coaching. So I don't know if most mentorship relationships or weekly or even bi-weekly type of cadence would work. It works for us because I take a lot of coaching principles and implement it into the sessions as well. And to be honest with you, if we didn't have that business size, I definitely wouldn't have time to meet you on a bi-weekly basis. So for people at home thinking about how often should they meet their mentor, probably less frequently than we do. Maybe once a month, I think with some of my mentors I've had back in the day, it was once every two months or once every quarter. And that worked for them because they were really busy people themselves. Quick question then. Go for it. What is the difference between a mentor and a coach for anyone listening? That's a great question. So I know when I switch between mentors and coaching, I used to mention it to you like I'm being a mentor and now I'm being a coach. I think I do that as much now. But a coach is ultimately there to help you think something through. The goal of a coach is ultimately asking you questions, helping you to understand something for yourself. At least the way that I was trained and I know, Steph, you've done the same coaching program that I did as well, is you go with the philosophy that the person you're speaking to has all the answers and it's your job to help and find it. The difference is when you're mentoring, you're being a lot more directive. You're speaking from your experiences and telling them essentially this is what I did and this is how you get to this point. So that's kind of the difference between coaching and mentoring. And that's the further in there as well. Consulting is then actually given tends to be like giving very specific advice within an area of expertise but therapy kind of on that spectrum as well tends to be more focused on helping you understand yourself. Oftentimes the way I kind of put therapy and coaching on the spectrum is therapy is often focused on your past and how that's impacting today. Whereas coaching is focused on your future and how do we get you there. So I personally think having a blend of all four is how you get the best results. Nice. I hope you enjoyed today's episode. If you are, please make sure you subscribe to us on YouTube or whatever platform you're listening to this podcast on. Don't forget to like this video as well. Okay, this is a related question since we're kind of on the topic. How do you know when it's time to call time on a mentor-mentee relationship? Oh, that's great. How do you know? How do you guys know? I don't know. How do you know? I guess yes. So for those that don't know, Abisoy is on the other side telling me that I'm doing an interview thing right now. So I need to answer questions. How do I know that it's time to stop a mentor-mentee relationship? As a mentor, I don't have to answer that yet because I haven't got to that point. Whereas as a mentee, I will say when it's that I have basically outgrown that mentor. So I've learned what I needed to learn from that person. And I think the approach that I've taken to mentors throughout my life is that rather than having this person as my mentor and I'm going to get everything from them, I take the approach more of I have lots of different mentors that are mentoring me in very specific areas. So I've had a mentor that was teaching me about leadership because I saw that he was great with building a team. I've had another one that's taught me or was mentoring me more around how to network more successfully because you had a fantastic community. I've had mentors that are more focused on my spiritual growth or focused on my development as a man than those other areas. So with each mentorship relationship, I go into it with a really clear thing that I'm trying to learn. And then once I feel like I've learned all that I need to learn from that person in that regard, then I think that's when the relationship comes to a natural end in that regard. I will also say that mentors are humans and they have their limitations. So I've also learned to take their good with their bad and try to leave their bad side. And then once I've learned enough about the good, that's when it's time to move on. And I'll say with all my mentors, I still will view them as mentors in the way that I look at them to this day, but in terms of the frequency of meeting or things of that nature, that's where it begins to die down. I have been with both of you, especially you, Courtney, trying to stop the mentorship side of things like multiple times, but so far you guys are not letting me do that. I don't know when you are getting the idea of the inspiration to even try that. So I guess it's a quite a lack of meaningful question. When are we going to stop this? When are you going to let me stop mentoring you? Oh, if you want to end things. I won't let you go. That is so funny. You know what? I think that there is something very encouraging about hearing someone who's mentoring you being like, I don't think you're going to need me for long or need me forever, but I do think the process of like becoming a practical dream or building, it's so evolutionary that there are always new things you're trying to discover and learn. And I think the stage and the experiences that you've had in the stage that you're at now, there is still so much to learn and gain from your knowledge that I'm like, no, I haven't like extracted enough of what I need to prepare me for the future. And I also think it wouldn't necessarily be like, well, it would be the end of like a mentor-mentee relationship, but there would always be that friendship, but also the friendship dynamic for me I think would always be from a position of learning. Like I know that even because this is like a reciprocal relationship, there's a lot that I also give, but I think with what you're trying to build and where I know you're evolving to, I know that there are new dimensions of Claude which I'll still need to learn from and experience, which may not have happened yet. So the answer is never. That's a great justification. No, but it's true because if you're always on the journey of growth and then the person that you're learning from is on a journey of growth, it feels like there's even though it might decrease over time how much you must meet with them or whatever, I feel like there's always an element of value in whatever learned experience as long as we're human, we're always going to be learning, right? So there's always value there. And I also think that in terms of, Courtney mentioned something about how it can shift towards like a friendship kind of relationship. They are human and you are human. So it's not like, oh, this structure must end. I've got different kinds of mentors where the setup has been different, some more formally through programs or stuff like that where it's like, this is my mentor and this is the amount of time X, Y and Z, and there's some that one day it was like, I'm your mentor, by the way. It was literally that. But it means that a lot of the time as time goes on, it's a natural shift in dynamic rather than an end where it was like during this period it was formalized, but whenever I need them, I can still like get in contact and say, this is the situation I'm dealing with and they're always happy to kind of advise. So yeah, I think it doesn't need to end. It can just change and evolve. Yeah, that's the same. So one of my mentors who actually everybody knows, she's my mentor from the Commitee. We did have like quite a formal mentorship relationship at the beginning, then transitioned into actually reverse mentoring where I would actually help her understand young people a bit more when I was still classed as young. And now it is just a mother-son relationship. Like she's a hundred percent just my mom. Even my actual biological mom, except that I just have two moms now. And yeah, so that change or that relationship means that when we talk, it's not really, I'm trying to teach you anything, it's you trying to teach me anything or anything that nature, she's literally just a friend or like I say, my mom or auntie. And it's one of the best things in my life. Yeah, with the back of that, like I kind of sees like some of my mentors as like older siblings or like he said, like second parents to some extent, like not every mental relationship will evolve in that way, but some of them do and it is like beautiful. Yeah. So I'm going to pretend to read a question from here because this wasn't sent in. But one thing that I think is interesting is how do mentors actually pick their mentees? And why are we your only two? Please, that's a good one. Thank you. So apart from the facts that you obviously are both like adding a huge amount of value to my company, which is something that I think a lot of mentees forget is it should be a two-way street. What can you offer the person that is mentoring you? My criteria is also, am I going to be proud of these people? And I think this is true for most mentors. A lot of the reason why they take on this mentee is so they can say when you're like killing it successful, winning awards, whatever it is you go on to do, that's my mentee, you know. And I think it's almost that simple. Like, if you're going to be this type of person that is going to make the potential mentor proud, then that's one of the biggest criterias of this is somebody that I want because I want to be associated with deaf users' success. And in both your cases, you're both killing it now, yes, but there's so much more to come. And what I've seen you both do and even the things that I'm helping you think through, mentor you through, et cetera, right now, and then when I go to your film premiere in a few weeks, I'm going to be like, yeah, that's my mentee, you know. When Courtney won her award the other day. As she knows, I took particular pride in that for a couple of reasons. But yeah, I'm so proud of both of you and you make me look good by continuing to shine. So that's one of the things that I use when I'm picking mentees. So that's something that I think people need to also consider. Nice, thank you. So Courtney, I feel like we did have a dilemma come through. We did. So if you're a part of a two-by-sisters community or you listen to the podcast, you know we have a segment called Ding Ding Ding Dilemma. But I literally am always getting dilemmas and somebody sent one in relevant to this. So I thought I'd ask you because you're the one who helps me fix my life. So hi, thanks for doing this. Here's my dilemma. So I'm fresh out of uni in my graduate job, but I'm not sure it's my purpose or calling from God. I do virtual styling on the side and I just feel there's more to my purpose for me than my nine-to-five job. I was doing Ikigai. It's a Japanese theory about finding your flow the other day and ask my friends what's the one thing they would come to me for and they all said they would come to me for life advice, finance advice, and I'm good at listening and giving unbiased advice. I've realised I love to learn and spread that wisdom and it's made me think maybe God's calling for me could potentially be mentorship, but I'm not sure if I'm too young for it. When I think of a mentor, I tend to think of someone a bit older and more life-experienced. I'm not making loads of money yet, but I'm just not sure if I'm qualified to go down this route. Would love to know your thoughts. Thanks in advance. Okay, fresh out of uni. I'm going to give the same advice that you guys have probably heard me say a million times or even when I talk to younger people as a whole, something similar. You're legitimately too young to have life figured out. And that's not like an insult or a curse. It's like I think society puts such an unfair pressure on us when we are, what, 16 to pick your entire future and then 21 to have it all figured out and then 25 to be married and have kids and have your first house. It's like those are all such silly and unrealistic expectations. And then the advice I've given both of you as well is go get your money. That's having more access to finances, having more income opens up so many doors. I know Steph probably hates me for saying this all the time. Don't shout. It's fantastic that you are thinking about your life purpose and where you want to go and the gifts that you have and those are questions that you should continuously ask yourself but get your career under control. So whether that's going to be entrepreneurship, whether that's going to be the corporate world, wherever it is in that regard, continue to grow in that area in my opinion and get to the point where you don't have to say not make a lot of money to change that to yes, I'm doing that now. And then with that you have even more that you can give the world. So I guess to be specific and what I'm advising her on is you can mentor, but she is right, she is young so therefore you realistically can only mentor people that are younger than you. Secondly, mentorship isn't a career. I know some people charge for mentorship, etc. I think that's a little bit of an odd one personally. Coaching, yes, that is a service that you're providing whereas mentorship, I'm not too sure if that's something you can or should be charging but on top of that if you are going to mentor people younger than you in her case, she's coming up to you and you say what, 21, 22? The people below you have even less money than you do. So that's not going to be a good career path for you right now. I would say go out and do mentor and advise people, develop that skill set because it is a skill to be able to advise people well. I would say go and get a coaching qualification. For those that are interested there is a fantastic charity out there called MOE. They offer a fantastic coaching course, I believe that's not, you're both there. Yeah, I'm currently doing it. Yeah, there you go. And as you can both attest to you that it is a fantastic course to be. It is, it really is. And even if you don't want to become a coach developing the skill set of coaching is game-changing so that's a great place to be as well. But I would say beyond anything focus on your career and become excellent at that and through doing so you'll be able to do so much more and also remember your career and your purpose did not have to be the same thing. Like what you do to pay your bills is and doesn't have to be the thing that also fills your heart. If they happen to both coincide with each other then fantastic. But the odds of you doing that in your 20s is about 5%. So if you make that your ambition you're going to keep on finding that you're probably going to feel like you're failing. Whereas build your career, give yourself stability do the things that you need to do with life and live the passion side of your life until you can make that your career one day but don't think about that until you're probably in your 30s. That's good advice. That's, I am a mentor I guess. What a shock. Thank you for listening to these episodes. If you haven't already make sure you sign up to our mailing list at dreamnation.co forward slash mailing list and from there you'll be able to find out about all the things that we have coming for you. The next question is how should we approach someone we want as a mentor? I think if you're going to take it from our the way we did it it was approach them with value first like this is actually what I can do for you and this is what I want in exchange and I think that is a very convincing proposition like I actually have something you need and in exchange I'm not going to take money which is often the hindrance I think even for a lot of really skilled entrepreneurs it's like I'm building something resources can sometimes be limited and so if you let them know like okay I'll do this for something money can't buy your time right now and it's like oh well this is kind of a no brainer of a deal and I think that's what we both put forth it was a bit of a no brainer so I would say like instead of going and being like you know the kindness of your heart can you do this in the real world people are busy, people are building stuff and the people who you go to for mentorship it's usually because they're killing it so you don't have time to sit down for two, three hours a week to be like oh this is how you should fix your life so lead with value is the one thing I would say agreed I would also say and this goes touches on what you mentioned earlier earlier around like you want someone that you can be proud of I'd say just like be a good mentee in that like some mentors like I would say probably half of my mentors told me they were my mentor rather than me asking and I think I was like okay like any advice that they gave whether it be directly to me or things that I heard I'd kind of try to instill it in my life or like make sure I did like the work and show that I'm actually learning from you a lot and I'm teachable if that makes sense and I think that has been a I've found a good way to attract mentors but also keep them they want to see that you're actually listening to what they're saying and they want to know that you're actually evolving yes your journey might not be like linear but like they want to see that you're implementing and in being intentional so that they know that their time and their efforts is not wasted so yeah that's what I would say just to add to that I'll say two things warmed the relationship up intentionally and what I mean by that is in both your cases it wasn't out of the blue or can you be my mentor I had been connected with you online in different capacities all in your life in your case Steph so I had an idea in the sense of who you both were because there's a number of times when I've done this speak an engagement or at least a new project and they get like out of the blue someone's like oh get dropped that email can you be my mentor like legit I don't know who you are so having and this is not even a sheet for mentorship this is a sheet of everything if you want to start a business partnership if you want to sell something to somebody wherever it is having that warm relationship beforehand is going to be such a more valuable approach to take and the other side which is linked to this is already be doing something so if you say you want to start a business at least have something up and going even if it's just an Instagram page or an attempt of a website or your first event or whatever it is try to do something because I think when you're dealing with mentors of a certain level we are very used to people just speaking because talk really is sheep but we all can recognize when somebody is trying they might not be succeeding yet but they're trying and they you can begin to see as a mentor but a bit more insight for me might be the thing that will take them over the edge whereas if somebody hasn't started and it's just all talk then like you don't have that time to waste so yeah those would be my two piece of advice on that as well I'm going to go for a question this time go for it so so I feel like I need a mentor how would I pick one or reach out to one funnily enough your name had obviously everyone had been saying it but I remember I had a conversation with a friend just before graduating like a week before my graduation they were like hey what are you going to do post uni because I was one of those people who like I had declined my graduate job I'm going to run a business I'm going to do content creation I was broke they were like what are you actually going to do I'm having these ideas like I want to build a hair company I want to do like YouTube and content and they were like you could really do it and I was just like nah I'm 21 being self-employed sounds really scary and it sounds like something I can't do and I always had this crazy ambition that I didn't want to work for anyone like I didn't want a full time nine to five or a corporate job and they were like do you know Claude Williams and I was like yes I do and they were like he's done it now because you're working on big boy roles direct channel of those things but like up until that point you had been doing it where you were working for yourself and you had just been working on projects that you were passionate about and you weren't tied to anything you were just experimenting and developing skills along that journey and that was very visible for anyone to see that you were just you were giving yourself as many opportunities to be and learn how to be a leader and so when you brought up your name I was like okay and throughout running my business that was the one thing that stuck with me that like it's actually possible because Claude's done it and at that time we weren't even speaking like and I think when I knew I wanted I needed a mentor you came to mind because throughout my life I guess you had been my virtual mentor like in my head this is someone who's actually done something I said I want to do and so it's encouraging to just know that that person even exists and so when the opportunity came I think even when you called me like to prepare for these podcasts I was like oh my gosh Claude I can't believe you're calling me you're asking me to call your podcast crazy because in my head like you're Claude Williams and you still are it's just now that we actually have that in-person mentorship relationship so I think in terms of approaching someone or knowing who to approach who is the person you admire and who is the person you see yourself wanting to evolve into you're going to bear fruit of spending so much time with this person so do you want that to be the fruit of your life and I think more than just what you've done your character and who you are as a person is someone who I actually want to model my life after like not just in a leadership capacity but even like what you are saying being able to shout so gently like I'm like I want to learn that skill you know when you can push someone to actually do something but they feel like it's with care and with actual love and I think when I thought about the character of someone I wanted to help guide me into the new seasons and dimensions of my life and you ticked all the boxes all around from what I could see so I think letting them know that as well like I admire this and this is what I want to draw from you and moving it forward from there I agree I think looking at where you are weak and finding people that are strong in those areas really is kind of how my mentors kind of fit into my life and like I mentioned earlier like in terms of being super practical and like a common thread in my mentors are that they are very like their executors and they are very good at like getting things done and bringing, they dream big but they also act big as well and so like just realising what your weaknesses are and how those people can help you and also I would just say in terms of picking mentors going on what Courtney said about character I think there's so many big names out there that you would think are like wonderful people that you'd like to learn from you don't know you don't know what's happening behind the scenes so I would say like really like try and like choose based on like the reality of a person if you get to meet them maybe go for a coffee before like even like try engage whether you actually want to be mentored by this person and who they actually are because a lot of people can have a big platform or can have a big name but they ain't who you should be letting him from so yeah I would say like go character first and try and like gauge who the person really is and if they have the character traits that you desire and then go for it Obviously we know that I am a mentor but it would be interesting to know if you guys currently mentor anyone else at the moment I don't currently like in a very formal sense and I think that's because I know how much like time it's a very selfless act and it's like you actually have to commit time and intentionality and I think there are some areas in my like time management and organisation where I'm like if I bought someone in as a mentee I could let them down and I actually don't want to do that so I think it's better to not blur those lines of like oh I'll mentor you and then it's been two months you haven't heard from me and I think one thing you're great at is being very proactive like you don't just rely on your mentees or me to just be like oh Claude I need you it's more like a hey cool need checking in how are you and I think that that just takes a level of organisation that I haven't got to yet so I wouldn't want to let anybody down with that but I do make myself open to giving people advice and like with the podcast and stuff like that like just putting things out there that can help people more generally so that's where I'm at I'm in a similar place in that I don't have any formalised mentees but there's just younger people that I will catch up with and like give advice or just check in and see how their new job is going or whatever so it hasn't been in any like formal capacity but I think someone else asked a question about how do you know that you're in a position to like mentor a person and I think we over complicate things like I think we all walk around and have experiences which means we all know something and even if you're not there yet and I'm certainly not there yet I definitely have found that people like little things that I might have done that didn't really mean anything to me for example like bringing someone on set like something like that that is like I'm there and you're willing to help and thank you for coming like I've like the feedback has been like super like they've been super grateful for it and it's like if I if you've got if you're anywhere like yeah wherever you are in life basically and like whatever your experiences are I feel like there's value that you have that you can share and like part of it being part of being a mentor is just being a nice person and so yeah how about you how did you know you were ready to be a mentor? Oh I don't think people really gave me the choice it's like no like I need you to mentor I think in terms of becoming a good mentor to people the difference between when I tried it when I was like younger versus now is not even that's the experience because I feel like I've been able to give a level of insight to people for quite a long time is actually having the support around me so as you both know when it comes to organising I mentioned at meetings I'm not involved so obviously you talked to Shana my PA and that's where it happens yeah obviously everyone you don't know Shana is literally the reason why I'm alive at this point in life absolutely so so it's that having her organise things like just the practicalities of like when are we going to meet like setting up the zoom link like making sure everything's working from that angle or if I've got to change my schedule last minute or you're not able to make it whatever it might be I think that's what allowed me to become an effective mentor because then I'm always like relatively available to you and it means that I can just focus on the logistics but focus on the practicality of supporting you rather than the logistics of supporting you so that was the change for me and that's just because organisation is an admin is not my natural gift I think that's what I need to do so Courtney, Steph thank you both for being on the podcast today you will definitely be back on the future because now I think people that used to see in myself, used to see in Abusoya I do want to switch up and being a lot more of the team on in the future so they can actually see what's happening behind the dreams see what you did there and Abusoya is laughing at my cheesiness to the side as well but before then where can people find out more about you online people can find me on Instagram at Stephanie.Dinmore you're such a p*** I don't know when I became a hundred but I can't seem to undo it you can find me on Instagram and yeah that's just about it really you can also follow me on the Instagram you can also follow my digital sisterhood community at to my sisterhood and you can catch me hosting your film premiere yes you can everybody oh that's in January so get tickets guys so what's the film called? the film is called Leap it's a documentary that I made with my friend a desi shout out desi and yeah you can also catch it online if you can't come to the premiere it's going to be amazing and Loki what stream nations role in it as well do you want to know? thank you producer I think it sounds a little collaborative nepotism thank you guys and see you all really soon and I did this also want to say thank you I was looking for a camera thank you to everybody that did send in the questions thank you especially to the team our sisters community you guys are awesome and soon or later you will be seeing me on the podcast yes wow thank you for tuning in to today's episode we release a new episode every Sunday so make sure that you subscribe and follow us so that you never miss out if you would like some more inspiration why you wait for the next new episode then check out the recommendation above don't forget to follow us on social media and you can send us a question or a dilemma that you would like us to answer on the podcast this is Club Williams even watching behind the dreams and we look forward to seeing you at the next Dream Nation event