 Welcome back to The Breakfast here on Plus TV Africa. Our final conversation this morning still is on the crisis with the two major political parties in Nigeria, the APC and the PDP. Seven National Working Committee members of the PDP resigned in the latest news and their rumours that it might just be because of the controversies with the leadership of Uche Secundice and also in the APC, May Malabuni has his own fair share of crisis with the award congresses and legal battles that seem to be upcoming. We're going to be bringing in this morning Professor Kenneth Wenke who's joining us from River State to share his views on these issues. Good morning Professor Wenke. Good morning, I am Legos. Legos is beautiful this morning. Good morning. Alright, Nigeria's two major political parties seem to be going through some turmoil as it seems. What would you describe as what might be going on in the PDP or let's start with the APC rather. Does it seem like they might be shooting themselves in the foot as these decisions that they've made in the last couple of months seem to be biting them back? What else do you expect? This is part of the activities of political parties. So when you don't get these vibes, so what else do you get? What else do you get? These vibes are expected. Politics is all about struggle for power. So when these things happen, for me Nigeria's make these things as if something else has happened. No, no, it's expected. What else? What is going on in the APC or PDP or even the proposed main parties that will come and order? They're expected. Strong for power. Strong for power. Politics is all about that. And so individuals will go for their interests. Those who also speak for possibly for the masses, for the people of Nigeria. If you look in words, they're speaking for themselves. Except those of us who can spare our time just talking for the good of Nigeria. For even at that, we still think about our individual interests even as you are all in the studio. They're thinking of yourself. Me, me, me, you. That's the problem of Nigeria. These distractions that we're hearing, getting these vibes. These vibes are expected. 2023 is also coming. And also what do you expect? It is a political contestation for leadership. People want to spare to be in control. Nobody wants to, one, you want to get money. Two, you want to be it all. The man that says go here and people go. And all that. So Nigerians like that type of thing. And all that. So what you're seeing in APC is expected. So the decisions that APC may have taken in the last few months and all that, maybe like you said, until then, what else do you expect? Political parties will make mistakes and then they will correct themselves and also understand why they are there and all that. So it's expected. Whether in the PDP side, you have seen people resign and all that. So what was the issue? What should the interests of so much? What should the interests of is about how to bring Nigeria of course to the path of progress. It's not about those distractions. For me, they are mere distractions. Disacting Nigerians from really focusing on asking relevant questions, critical questions, fundamental questions that can bring about the desert change in Nigeria. And so on the path of the masses, on the path of Nigerians, who have continued to make those high low back status quo. They are all comfortable with any new status quo that they find themselves. It's about, you know, their survivor, whoever that comes to power and they survive them, they go to the glory and they go sleeping and all that. And so now it's about APC and then now it's about the PDP. And then we got into some kind of, what are interests? To not be about what is happening among themselves. Because those who have resigned, if you also look at their positions, they are deputy. So not to undermine the relevance of safety in the organization and all that. So, I mean, there are lots of, can you hear me? There are lots of reasons that have come up as to why these seven PDP leaders resigned. First of all, they mentioned that the leadership of Uche Secundice was poor. They also went ahead to bring out evidence to say that about 10 billion Naira that, you know, accrued from sales of nomination forms in the PDP from 2017 to date were being paid into a private account of a man called Morufu and not the PDP personal, the PDP party account. What can you tell us about what indeed is a fact regarding why these seven leaders resigned? You see, I don't have problems with anybody. Everybody. I'm sure that they decided one day that they would find themselves in that position. And they also decided that they no longer want to remain in the position that they are having. I don't have problems. They have, these personal choices of these ones to resign. And Nigerians should not bother them first about who is resigned and who is not resigned. Nigerians should bother them first about, you know, how to make a difference. How to make a difference. We have, we have how many, over 70 million Nigerians that are usually registered. So how can we up that? How can we take that to 100 million plus and all that? And then how, you know, election, run of election, that over 60% of our house to vote. So that can actually make, you know, and so that should be a major concern as Nigerians. I'm not about what, you know, Nigerians deciding to call get their PBCs and take the patients in lining up on election day to say, look, I want to vote, you know, I want to vote our consensus. I want to vote, you know, after explaining candidate ABPB, give it a special party line or something. We want to see more Nigerians who have the interests of Nigeria and Nigerians, you know, emerged in political contestations like those. And so those are the things that should concern us. Not appreciating the mistakes in whatever, you know, leadership. And then some people have been arguing about, you see, about what money was not properly used. If they were also given those positions, you know, that is occupied by the new enforcement in that party today, would they do anything different? That's the question. Would they do anything different from what they can do to the left to have committed? I'm not either speaking for or against their actions or actions of the leadership of the party. My interest is how do we enthrone a political leadership in this country that will make a difference from what has been in place? And so that difference can always come when millions of Nigerians can take themselves away from the level of volatility that they found themselves today or yesterday to do something different. But I say, look, on the day of election, they want to vote for any political party of their choice or candidate of their choice, knowing to whether they were not in view in doing so. Yeah, Professor Oweiki. What I think that Nigerians should be thinking about. Yeah, but Professor Oweiki, the challenge, you know, that lies here is that, you know, it seems like the pathways to achieving what you're asking of Nigerians, it seems like these pathways are blocked because, you know, these same political parties are in control of every single detail and every single, you know, all the machineries that should lead Nigerians to this political awareness and freedom that you're speaking of. We still have challenges with registering more and more millions of Nigerians, you know, who want to get registered for the electoral process. There's still very, very little education with regards, you know, the electoral process and also the level of interest even in the process seems to be waning every day. So what would you say, you know, Nigerians, you know, still have any hope in with regards being able to make these decisions that you've pointed out? Yes, it's clear. It would occur, my dear brother and sister and the Nigerian, that there are roadblocks because two major political parties are there, not even with the hope of the PRC that's been proposed by Professor Jega and any other one thought first that would be proposed in the nearest future, that will give Nigeria the desire that we have today. There is nothing wrong in any of the political parties that you mentioned, other APC of BDP or even the new one, like I said, in delivery on the Monday. It's about Nigerians who find themselves in those political parties. It's not about the political party as the name, because those you find in either APC today, we are once members of the other party, BDP, and those you find in BDP, we are other members of APC and all that, and even the thought first, as it's clear, that anybody who wants to propose tomorrow would also be drawn from any of the political parties, including other Nigerians that have been sitting on the front and all that. But what matters here is not about the political party, it's about people themselves, Nigerians themselves, you know, making a difference. People have recorded about less than 30 million Nigerians who voted in the 2015 and 2019 general elections. Can we in 2020-2023 show off this number by increasing the awareness, just like what we are doing today, what we are doing constantly in the media, and those of us who have left what we are doing to begin to concentrate on Nigerians, and so we continue to do consistently what we are doing, knowing to where that Nigerians are slipping, you know, climbing to their slumber state and all that, without, you know, getting up to question because they believe that there are roadblocks. It's either you get blocked, you know, when you want to go to the other side, or this other side, between your cut-off between BDP and APC, or even the thought first to come. No, so, but even within those political parties, there are still good Nigerians. These ones that emerge are from a match between the populace and others, and we grow up in a neighborhood. People know us for goodness sake, and when these ones emerge as candidates of the political party for goodness sake, you know, people can begin to also raise some kind of political education, you know, during electionary campaigns and all that, to begin to see whether APC or PDP or even Nigerian political parties for that matter, you know, they begin to say candidate A for has to be in this, you know, is a better candidate than this and all that, and you begin to look at their pedigrees and all that. How successful have these ones been in their business? How successful has this one been in the public service or in the private services that they gave in the past? So, people should begin to look at the pedigrees of this one, and not about high-profile ones about these others. No, no, no, we should begin to look at them from bed, you know, from how they were raised and all that, and not exactly about how they were raised, but how they also raised and all that, you know, and how they found themselves in the public space and all that. And so, you begin to, you know, assess this one, you know, from side view, to begin to say, okay, look, this one can be trusted more than this one. So, if you begin, you know, something across party lines, so Nigerians begin to do those, and both those ones that they think that they have more confidence in, irrespective of the parties that they come from, whether APC or PDP or the PRP or PRP, whatever you call them to do, and all that, you should start from somewhere, not to begin to think that, you know, there are no blocks that you get stuck with ATC or get stuck with Philippines. No, Nigeria has a lot of space to, you know, find a pathway for problems. We cannot continue to see ourselves as we stop between these two majors, my political parties. No, no, no, even the Lee ones, they cannot provide a leeway ordinary, but Nigerians can, within what political parties that we find ourselves, to begin to do a lot in terms of using the power of the PDP, you know, to show, you know, some of them that they are being trusted with, you know, their way out and all that, and it will begin from there, and it will begin to change, you know, APC, and not to feel that, you know, we are stuck. We are not stuck anyway. We have decided to remain where we are, because we have refused to find, you know, a way out of where we find ourselves. All right. Obviously, a lot of work still needs to be done. Sadly, it's not moving at the pace that, you know, a lot of people would have believed it will move at, you know, since 1999, but, you know, continue to take the steps that are necessary and continue to have these conversations. Professor Kenneth and Wike, thank you so much. We enjoyed speaking with you this morning. Thank you. Wish you a great day ahead. Thanks for joining us. Oh, thank you. And remember, let's continue to do what we are doing, but first, I think we judge all of the bandits. Absolutely. All right. So yes, this is where we draw the curtain, but just to quickly drop in that breaking news story that we saw last night, that about three students from the Baptist school in KD have actually been found alive. You know, the story was that they were kidnapped and then they were re-kidnapped by some bandits when they were wandering in the bush, but we have still have more facts to uncover regarding this, but three students have been found alive. And that's the much we can give today on The Breakfast. We thank you very much for joining us. I am Annette Felix. And I am Osawa Ghee, Ogbama. See you at nine.