 Call to order. This is the 24th regular meeting of the 2010 2011 Common Council and as is customary our city clerk Sue Richards will read us the quote of the evening Thank you mayor. It is time to break the habit of expecting something for nothing from our government or from each other Let us all take more responsibility not only for ourselves and our families, but for our communities in our country Thank You sue Roll call, please Here Now if we can all join alderman wangaman and the Pledge of Allegiance And to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You bill looking for approval of the minutes of the former Common Council meeting Thank You mayor. I would move to approve the minutes of the last Common Council meeting second We have a motion in a second to approve the minutes under discussion If there is no discussion all in favor say aye Opposed motion carries Public forum Yes, this evening. We have one on public forum Jeff Middleton if you would like to come up to the front to the microphone, please Right there Jeff can you give me your home address, please city can 33 Hein Avenue? Okay, limit. All right, and you will have five minutes, sir, and I get an extra if I'm nice You get to ask for an extra I'm gonna try to be nice because I'm just doing my job up here, so please don't take too much of this personally if you can My name as she said is Jeff Middleton. I am the AFSCME staff representative. I represent two of your employee groups About 70 City Hall employees and about 90 of your public works employees I've also had the opportunity this week to speak to a lot of your policemen your firemen Some of the transit employees and there's another union group that I just called local 5011 because They're belonging to a nurses union, but that's not what they do. So I'm a little confused, but I just moved here So your honor all their persons. Is that right? That's hard to get out ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for letting me be here tonight Actually, I don't have to thank you because it's my right to be up here speaking to you It's not just my job And this is somewhat about rights. It's somewhat about elections And it's about what's doing what's fair and what's doing what's right? And I don't think what happened in this last election in the fall and what they're doing now was done, right? And I think some of what you guys are experiencing or what we're certainly experiencing is a fall out of all that There's a lot of opportunities on the table. I don't blame you for looking closely at them But I don't believe they're fair and they're certainly not fair to the represent people I represent Collectively your employee groups are offering near nearly a million dollars in concessions that do not seem to be enough for you and Your managers your directors want us to go back and offer more to you Your honor you were quoted in Saturday's paper saying that the city That the idea is we came up with we're not in the best interests of the city at this time You also said that the concessions we offered were not enough You said it you wanted us to knock your socks off. I think that was somebody else's words actually but Sounded good When it appears that what you really wanted to do was to strip us of our bargaining rights and take our socks away from us The human resources director that I work for your refuses to tell us what he wants us to concede specifically asked we specifically asked for some proposals and then they refused and He said they refused to do our work for us The finance director says that our concessions were not enough and we're very similar to governor Walker's budget repair bill He says that all we want to do is maintain our bargaining rights And I guess that's true, but please show me in the bill where it says anything about offering contract extensions Forgoing longevity increases and taking pay freezes. I think we came up with those ideas not governor Walker These are proposals that are opposed by three out of four residents of this state These proposals come from a governor that three out of five people think is not doing a very good job right now And now we're being told by your management team that these same really popular proposals are not only not good enough to bring to you But they also want us to give you more By the way when they refute these numbers and say that they're not even close to be in a million dollars and they will say that to you Please ask them to cost out our proposals and tell us what they are worth because they won't tell us We asked them to crunch the numbers and they refuse to share the value of our savings that we are offering In the past as many of you know People I represent have made several concessions to help offset health care expenses specifically This year alone. They're taking pay freezes and at the end of this year They're supposed to get some scheduled year-end raises, but your management team wants us to give those back to In the past we've watched fellow workers get laid off We've absorbed the extra workload continue to provide services to the residents of the city and has done so Without many complaints When word of this gets out and it will get out Please tell me why anybody is ever going to want to work for this city ever again Seriously, you're going to find it very hard to attract and retain good people is this is how they're treated This is a one-time opportunity from for some of our concessions We have offered to start paying the pension and heart health care concessions right now If you don't approve something soon, you can never get that money back no matter what you do The new law says we'll have to start paying in January, but again, we're offering these savings now and They're saying to us that this isn't good enough There's a limit to what the people I represent can give there's a limit to how much money you can take away from their households The pension and health care concessions alone amount to over $3,000 annually and take-home pay not to mention any future pay raises. It may be forced to concede in January Please on behalf of my members try to find some balance and fairness during these troubling times Always ask for his dignity and respect Very good. You're just under Thank you Thank you, Jeff If I can say I have all due respect for mr. Middleton and his unions and that he Represent and we do look forward to future discussions with them all of our decisions that we're making in the city at this point Are done on a financial basis It's all based on it's all based on financial reality and economics and that's that's where we're at at this point So thank you for speaking Jeff Okay, moving on We have Wendy Schmitz in the annual report for the senior activity Center was bothering Marge The irony of having to follow my neighbor Jeff Little talk and the irony of what you quoted Sue at the beginning of the meeting A couple of weeks ago. I met. Oh, I'm sorry. I am the supervisor of the senior activity Center for those people who don't know me Can you hear Marge? Okay, a couple of weeks ago. I met and introduced myself to a council member I told him that I would soon be giving my annual report He joked that of course I would be asking for money This is my sixth year as supervisor and I have never asked for money I took up his challenge though, and I'm here to tell you how we do what we do We no longer host the county nutrition site, but we have maintained participation numbers growing by six new members every week Sometimes it's hard to find parking. We are not your typical senior Center Over the past five years. I have had my city staff cut by 50% I now have two part-time facilitators paid by the city and a very part-time volunteer coordinator She works It's paid for eight to ten hours a week by the friends organization They all do an incredible job for the seniors in this community My city paid staff have worked one for 28 years and one for 16 They continue to develop new programs that meet the changing needs of our seniors Marion health has trained for and teaches a Zumba class that has changed the entire atmosphere of the center Our building resounds with the music of the black-eyed peas and people moving to a Latin beat All of her fitness programs are full some with waiting lists We have more men participating in fitness programs than ever before Jeannie Mullen has developed pottery painting and stained glass classes and has a new program of cooking classes Which are very popular as you can also eat the lunch that other people learn how to make her art trips last year included Key Largo, Florida and Plum Island, Door County This year the art and photography group are going to the Saint Ives Art and Music Festival in Cornwall, England. I had a little bit of something to do with that We look forward to seeing a display of their work in October Many of our programs are led by volunteers sharing their expertise When we give tours people are amazed that there are 33 Volunteer-led activities to choose from Our volunteer program is thriving The Friends of the Senior Activity Center the grass roots non-profit support group Invests in training and supporting our unpaid program leaders 76 regularly scheduled volunteers That's not the number that we have working, but the 76 regularly scheduled donated 4,800 hours last year or the equivalent of $85,409 and that figure is calculated using the national average from a site used by volunteer coordinators In comparison the Madison Senior Center, which is nationally known for its volunteer program had 300 volunteers donating 6,000 hours That bears repeating 300 people in Madison gave 6,000 hours 76 people in Sheboygan gave 4,800 hours Dot Clark our volunteer coordinator has established a good relationship with the Kohler company Last year their international compensation department chose our facility for a team building exercise a Team from India China France England and the US Designed paid for and painted one of our rooms the Kohler company Volunteers have now painted two bathrooms the great room the Tai Chi room and provided our coffee cart We have worked hard to encourage local companies to offer programs to a monthly card party bingo breakfast for the brain brain health classes education Educational and financial presentations and monthly pancake breakfasts are all paid for by them In fact, we put out donation boxes at the same time and our breakfast last week made a further $73 in 2010 as a community partner of John Michael Kohler art center. We participated in the Liz Lerman dance exchange We hosted food sales at two of their festivals and this month our digital camera club worked with Celeste Nelms the artist-in-residence for the time slips project 2010 was also the pilot year for the walking bus project a group of seniors walk children to Grant school Every Wednesday in the fall to raise awareness of walking getting to know your neighbors and creating a safe environment We will be doing it again this spring Our volunteers were also asked to cater an open house for a local business for which we were paid We hosted a chamber of commerce after ours event and we sponsored two of the mayor's concert series Selling beer and brats to make money for our center We are now working with two less staff and 25% less funding than we had in 2003 our funding is a half a percent of the total city budget The senior population on the other hand is growing rapidly 19,000 people turn 65 years old every day in the US So how do we do it? We manage with the support of the friends and the people who use the center every day. I Had to bring my props. I used to be a preschool teacher We have a saying every penny counts We literally count every penny. We charge a dollar for computer tutoring We sell donated bakery to people who come in for free tax preparation offered by our ARP volunteers We have coin boxes near printers and copiers. We sell used DVDs People watch them and then bring them back to sell again. It is shabuigan We bring plants and vegetables from our gardens and sell them for small change We have a shop where people sell their jewelry knitted items cards, etc We offer international trips and make commission on them My husband donated a week of his time to help me take 89 seniors to Branson, Missouri The center made money from that We contract with a company to print our newsletter Last year we made $3,300 from the sale of advertising over 450 people choose to pay an annual activity fee and we receive donations from individuals. I Have a very generous and frugal staff. They look for bargains and donations constantly We take the money that the city gives us to maintain the building and with the support of the Friends Organization We are able to stretch every dollar Do you have to come to the pay to come to the senior center? Absolutely not. We are open to every senior who needs a place to socialize and stay healthy and independent But we have many people who are willing to pay what they can afford for the center that is so important to them We are not your typical senior center We have five table tennis players who received medals at the Badger State Games last year And we can again boast that we have a state champion The Friends of the senior activity center were nominated for the Chamber of Commerce non-profit of the year award as was Evelyn Prevenas for volunteer of the year Last year I invited the mayor and the city council to join Evie on a skydiving trip You laughed We had 14 seniors three of them Including Evie who were over 80 years old Jump out of planes on a very hot July day six of them were seen on YouTube and Dr. Zorba pastor of public radio fame mentioned them on his show You have another chance This year Evie is taking two more trips. So this time we offer you a challenge To jump out of planes alongside them Evie exemplifies the enthusiasm and energy of today's volunteers She inspires others and works hard to create a place where people can learn stay healthy Have fun and maintain their independence Next month is National Volunteers Month Mark Skogan the CEO of Festival Foods is coming to the center to make a presentation about Volunteerism you'll see your invitations on your desk. Please join us Is everything great at the center? No We struggle to maintain a very old building and our biggest challenge is getting the news out to all the taxpayers Who deserve to enjoy our services? When I give presentations to groups, I say that we are the city's hidden gem One of our volunteers suggested we are the jewel in the crown Finally, I would like to thank Marilyn Montemayer and Julie Kath for their work on the senior activity center commission It's been a productive year And I'd like to thank if he would stand Richard Manny Who is the president of the friends and also a commission member? Thank you. It's not very often that you hear an annual report actually get a round of applause, but We have to hand it to Wendy and to Richard Manny and the friends of the senior center And on the skydiving thing I myself I have no fear of skydiving, but that YouTube stuff scares the heck out of me Alderman Hannah, did you have something? Yeah, I just had a couple. Could you I just have two questions? Thank you If you don't know the answer to this, I didn't don't mean to put you on the spot I see now that the the city budget City is 69% of your budget and the friends are 31% when you first joined us Do you have any idea of what the split was then? When I first joined the city was a hundred percent, okay? And secondly, I have to recognize one of my constituents Ruth Barron's One of my favorite constituents just loves what you guys do there, and I commend you for all your hard work Well, thank you. She's one of the people who does a lot of the work Thank You Wendy Okay, moving along mayor's announcements on a solemn note former mayor Dick Schneider who is has always been a true Champion and cheerleader of the city of Sheboygan. He was the guy waving the Sheboygan flag for many years And always has done so dick is not doing well these days, so let's keep him in our prayers moving on April 5th which is Coming up a week from Tuesday two weeks two weeks from tomorrow Is election day? We have I believe eight aldermanic seats or nine up for election. I urge everybody to get out and vote you know some people look at aldermanic elections as Not that important and it's they know the turnout when it's only aldermanic elections And we have some judges positions this time are generally low But all politics starts at the local level and in this city Everything is decided by the common council, you know the mayor makes suggestions, but the common council gets the vote on them So, you know the way I see it and I've said it before if you don't vote you don't have a right to complain So please get out there and vote if you don't vote you don't have a right to compliment either So if people don't get out and vote You take what you get so please everybody get out and vote April 5th The month of April we will have some a different common council schedule, obviously April 6th will be our next common council meeting, which is a Wednesday, and that is the day after the election The next common council meeting in April will be April 18th, which is a Monday And that is the last meeting of this common council that will be the last meeting of this common council April 19th Is Tuesday, which is the first meeting of the new common council Our elections elections are done on the final on the last Election are this this is our organizational meeting will be on the 19th so election of President vice president, etc. Will happen. We'll swear in all the alderman so election of our president vice president will be on the 19th committee of the whole city planning etc All of the elected positions on the council and then the fourth meeting of April will be on April 25th Which is a Monday again, and that will be confirmation of all mayoral appointments, so we have a busy schedule coming up in April This election will Will determine the face of the council for the for the next coming year and there's you know There's a lot of issues at at stake here, so I urge everybody to please get out and Exercise your right to vote Vice president rent flesh. Thank you As I saw the looks from the people sitting next to you while I don't believe they're contested elections They are also on the ballots as well Madame city clerk and city attorney you failed to mention them also if you want to mention tomorrow that there is a chance for people to see The candidates at the forum hosted by the Chamber of Commerce. Yes, there is a Chamber of Commerce Forum, I believe it's tomorrow and Wednesday Tomorrow and Wednesday and the time on that is I'm at 640. That's all I know If you'd like to see Alderman Rindfels. She's at 640. We know that much 6 o'clock At the Chamber offices, which is now in the On the corner of 8th and Virginia so Thank You vice president Rindfels. Yeah, and that is all we have for mayor's announcements Moving on we have five public hearings this evening And we'll go through these First public hearing is for the proposed water main installation project on South Business Drive from Whedon Creek Road to 225 feet south of Riverdale Avenue Number two for the proposed assessments for the calendar year 2010 against all benefited property in Parking Assessment District 1 Number three for the proposed assessments for the calendar year 2010 against all benefited property in Parking Assessment District 2 Number four for the proposed assessments for the calendar year 2010 against all benefited property in Parking Assessment District 4 And number five for the proposed assessments for a calendar year 2010 against all benefited property in Parking Assessment District 5 Is there anybody that would like to be heard regarding these hearings sir? You'd like to be heard If you can come up front, please Yes, you do if you'd like to be heard May I ask which? Which of these you'd like to be heard on? Okay, the water main on South Business Drive. Yes, sir. Can I have your name? And how do you say your last name How do you spell your last name oh lake I didn't hear it. I'm sorry and your address Riverdale, okay. Go ahead. I Was just assessed this bill for $2,500 And it is noted as Frontage of business 42 South. I feel I should not have to pay for any part of this new water main My address is 2813 Riverdale Avenue and does not front business 42 South in any way The water main is not for me my subdivision or myself I've already paid for my main my sewer the line from the street to my home the curbing and the street I've paid my dues and at $4,500 a year for property taxes. I continue to pay my dues I truly believe that the people who will receive this water should be responsible for the costs of their fresh water There is a reason that certain people are leaving Sheboygan to relocate elsewhere and this is one of them After 48 years born and raised here I'm feeling that way too So please please reconsider billing me for this water main Thank you. Thank you. Thanks Pat. It's been a while We'll catch up. How's your I won't be 48 until next month by the way Okay, thank you, mr. Lake is there anybody else that would like to be heard regarding these hearings Is there anybody else that would like to be heard regarding any of these hearings? And for the third time is there anybody else that would like to be heard If there is not President Kittleson, thank you mayor. I make a motion to close all five of the hearings second We have a motion in a second to close the hearings under discussion Under discussion Alderman Bowers Thank you. I would just like a description of what really what the parking assessment for districts one two Four and five just what this entails Parking assessment Chad the businesses in the central commercial district which basically includes eight street some of Indiana Riverfront and South Pier are in those parking assessment districts and Central commercial entities aren't required to have off-street parking the city provides that parking but then they assess back For maintenance and different things related to the parking district So it's the parking lots and the streets and it's the maintenance on a yearly basis that they do for plowing and Snow removal and those types of things so it the business then gets Assessed as if it was their own parking, but the city is providing that That answer your question. Thank you Thank you Chad Alderman Hannah. I also had a thank you mr. Mayor I also had a question for Chad to elaborate on number one Can you elaborate on number one Chad? As in is this a fairly Mr. Lake's That that I that would have to be the water utility That's not I was speaking on the parking assessment districts We have Ryan says my city engineer who's probably familiar with this please bring Ryan may bring Ryan come up, please Motion the second to bring Ryan up all in favor say hi My question is is this a fairly typical concern by resonance. Yeah, it's the water utility has has assessment rule just like we do for a road and storm sort of that type of thing and That's I'm sure I'm sure they're following or they're their ordinance rules But that that but this is an assessment that's coming from the should wagon a lot of utility net from this Not from the city of Sheboygan and I have a follow-up question. Mary. Can we vote on all these individually rather than as a group? Alderman Hannah the hearings you would this is just the hearing of the documents themselves That do this are in the consent agenda. You could pull if you wanted to do One of them appreciate that. Yeah. Thank you I do think we have to remember the Sheboygan water utility does operate as an independent utility that is Controlled by the board of water you water commissioners correct Even though it is part of the city. It is an independent entity that Operates with autonomy. Thank you, Ryan Okay So we have a motion and a second to close the hearings is there any further discussion If there is none all in favor of closing the hearings say aye opposed motion carries Okay on the consent agenda we have 24 1 through 24 21 President Kittleson mayor. I move that all our rows be accepted and placed on file all our C's be accepted and adopted and all Resolutions and ordinances be passed We have a motion in the second under discussion. We had Alderman Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor in the same vein as Alderman Hannah and Alderman Rinfelich. I believe was going to make it I'd like to pull 248 For a separate vote This is the first time hearing of anything. This is my district and Alderman Rinfelich the district not heard anything from it Never been contacted and I would like a opportunity to vet this a little further before we vote on it Okay We have a motion to pull 248. Did he receive a second? No, I second I'll second. We have a motion in a second and a third the third. Okay Okay, well, we will pull 248 for a separate vote Alderman Rinfelich. Did you have anything else on this? Yeah, my motion on that would be to Hold on the document instead of vote on it. But my question on that would be Because it's coming from a separate utility that we don't have control over yet. My name is on a document providing police powers to this utility to go ahead and Charge these these assessments and yet I have no I have no say over if I can do if they do so or not Is that correct? Steve you can withdraw your name from the resolution, but I believe Your name and Alderman Hammond's name are on there because traditionally the Right, the all their people whose district the area covers are put on there I'm not opposed to having my name on the document in the sense that you know It is district is tradition. Otherwise, how will we possibly get any documents through I have no problem with that My concern ultimately though is we have a particular citizen who I think provides a good argument for not being assessed I Understand that the water utility has their own assessment rules. They're not here to speak on it, however None of the board or the chairman of the board is here to speak on that one And yet they expect us to take action on this evening What sounds like to me is a good argument of not being assessed But I don't know if that's good enough argument based on rules in the law so I'd rather to hold this document till next time and invite the water commissioners to our next meeting and Allow them to explain to the citizens why You know, they're being assessed for water. They're not using first president Rindflash. What we'll do then is we will take 24 1 24 1 through 24 7 and 24 9 through 24 21 That will be on the consent agenda, and we will take 24 8 separately Alderman Bowers, did you have anything? 24 20 I don't have any problems. It's just that if someone from that committee could tell me what streets I think I know but people have asked me and I'm not clear. What's what streets? For reconstruction in 2011, so if I believe Alderman boring if you could elaborate just a little bit on that. Thank you Those streets are all listed on the on the document in your in your package, right? Yeah, the streets are all listed if you go to 24 20 in your package We'll see that. Oh Okay, that's to theirs. Can you just read those out so sure Alderman Bowers what it is is Project a is here on Avenue North 10th to North 14th. All right, and then it's there's a whole bunch of them There's project ABC D in alternate one it looks like it's New York, Wisconsin Center North 7 to 6 6th Street Pan Avenue to Center, Wisconsin Avenue to Washington South 18th Street, Washington to Fox Hill Road and an alternate an alternate number one isn't North 5th, Wisconsin to Washington these were these were passed through Capital improvements this year and also some of them were added with the additional money We got is a Christmas present from the state on some extra CDBG money. I believe it was correct Chad So these have all already been approved through other committees We can get you a copy of the resolution if you want so you can answer your Okay, is there any further discussion We will take one 24-7 and 24-9 through 24-21 on the consent agenda roll call, please Born I Bowers. Hi, Decker. Hi Hammond. Hi, Hannah. Hi. Hi to men. Hi. Coss. Hi, Kittleson Hi, Montemay or I Rindflash. Hi, Racler. Hi, Samson. Hi, and Wongamon. Hi 13 eyes. Motion carries on 24-8 vice president Rindflash. Thank you. I moved to hold to our next We have a motion and a second to hold this document under discussion There is not all in favor of holding say aye. Opposed we will hold that document Okay, moving along communications and petitions 24-22 to be referred Reports of officers to 24-23 through 24-32 To be referred with the exception of 24-26 will be pulled 24-26 will be will be pulled Resolutions introduced three 24-33 through 24-35 lies over 24-36 through 24-37 to be referred Report of committee 4 24-38 to be referred report of committee 5 24-39 to be referred report of committee 7 24-40 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 1055 based upon his failure to include all relevant convictions on his application and his failure to cooperate with the committee vice president Rindflash Thank you your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second We have a motion in a second. Thank you is Robert Scheibel here. He's not here your honor Please continue. Thank you based on the description as given the report for my committee I was not present at that meeting. I was as I was on vacation in Florida But we do I do take my committee's recommendation to deny at this time based on non cooperation Thank you vice president Rindflash We have a motion in a second any further discussion. There is no roll call, please Decker I Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi DeMond. Hi Kat. Hi Kittleson. Hi Montemayor. Hi Rindflash Racelor. Hi Samson. Hi Longman and born I 13 eyes motion carries 2441 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 8169 based upon his record of violations and his failure to cooperate with the committee vice president Rindflash Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second Motion in a second under discussion is Andrew P. Marks here He's not here your honor, please continue likewise based on non cooperation We move that the recommend that the license be denied Okay, we have a motion in a second to deny the license under discussion If there is no discussion roll call, please Decker I Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi Hi DeMond. Hi. Hi Kat. Hi Kittleson. Hi Montemayor. Hi Rindflash. Hi Racelor. Hi Samson. Hi Longman. Hi Lauren. Hi and Bowers. Hi 13 eyes motion carries 2442 by law and licensing recommending approving a change of premise for Sheboygan resort operator LLC vice president Rindflash Thank you, your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted We have a motion in a second to accept and adopt under discussion There's no discussion roll call, please Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi. Hi DeMond. Hi Kat. Hi Kittleson. Hi Montemayor. Hi Rindflash. Hi Racelor. Hi Samson. Hi Longman. Hi Lauren. Hi Bowers. Hi and Decker. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries reports of committees 82443 by finance recommending allocating $40,000 from the medical insurance account to be used for incentive programs Sponsored by the wellness committee for health risk analysis and biometrics programs for employees alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor. I move the report committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage Second we have a motion in a second to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage under discussion Alderman Boren Thank You. Mayor Ryan. I didn't vote for this in the finance committee, and I'm not going to vote for it tonight First of all, I want to commend Alderperson Kittleson and her insurance committee for the fine work that they've been doing in creating awareness of the city employees having good health and participating in the various programs In this day and age of all of the awareness that's been made for people to stay healthy I can't support spending $40,000 as an incentive for people to be taking a health risk analysis and biometrics To me in this day and age there should be no there should be no Incentive necessary for that now I guess there can be an argument made that if we spend the $40,000 on the other end we may send save more money But I just can't support Giving a $75 incentive for each employee to take part in this when this should be just common sense that you would do This thank you. Thank you. Alderman Boren. Next we have Alderman Hanna. I just wanted to agree with Alderman Boren The the issue here Is that the health risk assessment in the biometrics? They're free to the employee $75 is merely to incent them to do this The insurance fund Are there monies in the insurance fund? Yes, are they allocated for incentives? No So I think we need to step back from this Realize that these are free risk assessments free biometrics tests People need to take personal responsibility and so I'm going to join Alderman Boren Thank You Alderman Hanna Alderman Samson Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I said in on the group health and wellness committee in for Alderman Verci and The discussion for the incentives. I have no I have no issue with any incentives for folks who have proven that they've already done what Helps them live a healthier lifestyle And just somebody who's proven that they're willing to take the necessary steps. I don't know if I like the incentive to give somebody Some small amount of cash or some type of a card as that type of incentive just to come in to take the type of testing That will then help them go down the line of living a healthier lifestyle So if we could if I could just get just some clarification because I didn't realize that that was actually passed The type of incentives that were going to be used But that was the last thing that we that we discussed was the $75 gift card To get people in to be willing to take the test But there were a lot of concerns for folks in that meeting as to why people would not come in and take the test for fear of Public knowledge or public information for what they're their health issues So my concern is giving somebody a $75 gift card. Are they coming in for the gift card? Or are they coming in because they really truly want to live a healthier lifestyle? So I don't think I'm going to vote yes for this either if we could just get somebody to clarify exactly what the Incentives incentives are Thank you. Thank you Alderman Samson President Kittleson if you'd like to speak about the incentives Thank you I guess I would like to refer to Tom Rice our HR manager here if you come up and just clarify We've been working at this for a long time our wellness committee and and we know It's tough to get people to Get on board with many of the programs that we have and we have been offering them some things but for people to really we need people to take them seriously and We've done we've tried every angle and and again We're just we need to incentivize people to do this till the time comes that maybe it's you know important really an important issue to them and We just have to keep working at it. So if Tom could come and explain a little bit more Time Mr. Mayor all the persons the forty thousand dollars that we're requesting to come out of the Medical insurance fund It's going to be used primarily to fund an incentive card if you will a Visa card or something like that To incent people to come in and have a health risk analysis done and a biometric feedback Which is the first step in Managing your own health if I were to ask you in this room, how many of you know your numbers I Wonder how many of you raise your hand in terms of blood pressure in terms of body mass index in terms of Cholesterol on and on and on then you're the exception to the rule because most people don't have a clue what those numbers are and As to mr. Alderman born's concerned about people should do that just as a matter of course The people this is targeted for not the people that are going to do it automatically This is targeted for the guy who drinks a case of beer a week or a month Who eats donuts on a regular basis and doesn't hasn't been to a doctor in 25 years And those are the people who are high risk for heart attacks for cancer for all kinds of things in working with UMR and any other health risk assessment organization, they're going to tell you that if you don't incent people they're not going to do it and Therefore that's the reason why we did it if you recall back in 2008 We changed and went with Humana and the first year we were with Humana We asked employees to do to do health risk analysis and we gave him 25 bucks to do it We didn't follow up with the biometrics The biometrics are the most important part of it because the biometrics are the blood the blood work That give you the numbers In a long-term strategy, this is year one of a three-year plan Because as we go take a look at the insurance programs going into 2012 in 2013 The insurance premium what our employees pay for insurance is going to be tied to whether or not they take an age health risk analysis And go through the biometrics Now should you choose not to take and vote the $40,000 that's only going to delay the program for a year So we'll be one year later in terms of trying to capture some savings through our health through our insurance claims costs By not having this information and of course once you have this information Then we're going to design all of our wellness programs around those that how we can help these people get better in their high-risk areas So that's the that's the time I have a question if this $40,000 is spent to incentivize people to take the age health risk assessment and the biometrics the blood work Etc in your opinion will we more will we will we we recoup this $40,000 annually? more than that the $40,000 comprises about 1.4% of the total medical insurance budget for 2011 Because that budget is over nine million dollars So $40,000 is nothing to spend and very likely get something in the neighborhood of a five to ten percent return on claims So that's the numbers at least what we've been told and what we've worked through any other questions Thank You Tom. Can you stay up there? I'm just in case anybody has any more questions vice president. We're inflation Yes, right question. Thank you Next we have Alderman Hammond a couple questions first off currently under the plan we're under our preventive maintenance things like Physicals those types of things part of their plan or yes, they all is there a cost to them to do that We're at a hundred percent. It's covered at a hundred percent And I would assume as part of that you know things like biometrics when you go get a routine physical are are done through that I guess my concern is a little bit about the long-term benefit And I I know it's too bad Alderman bulk isn't here because I know that Johnsonville has a program that's very successful But most of them that I've seen at least in my limited scope Haven't been terribly successful unless there is a a Bite out there like a higher health insurance premium if you don't participate So that being the case. I'm just kind of curious why we're going to incentivize them this year and then penalize them next year if they don't I'm not sure that the savings and again I haven't seen a written three-year the written three-year plan that you were referring to or what the benefit or the return on investment is going to be of this But I guess I just have some concerns that it may not be there because again I'll be the first to admit I thought maybe you were talking about my diet when you're talking about the doughnuts in cases of beer You lost me when you said don't beer though You know I if you're overweight, you know it if you you know if you have Various health issues chances are you know it and the fact that the plan already covers physicals At no cost. I guess I just wonder why we're Going to spend $40,000 when they already got the ability they already have the ability to have these very tests done for free Well number one all of the information is strictly confidential Number two the results are going to be sent to employees homes Now you may know you're overweight. You may know you have a drinking problem, but your wife gets that information If indeed that's the case when your wife gets that information She might exert a little more influence on you to see your doctor or to get some corrective action taken The point being that you have to identify the risks up front so you can address those risks and Typically speaking most people are not going to take and go in unless they either have a problem Significant problem that's going to cause them to go to the doctor or unless you and sent them to do it So there's something in it for them. They don't After they go through the testing Alderman Hammett, do you have any response? I would like to rebuttal that for the presses benefit I know I But I guess my concern is I mean, I don't have a problem with going and saying look if you're willing to be part of the solution This is the premium. You're gonna pay if you're not willing There's a higher premium again. No different than what many of the successful plans do I think we can just skip the first step That's just my my stance and I I understand the hard work you guys have put in and I I appreciate that I just I think That's certainly a choice that the that the council has Recognize the fact that it's probably going to limit the savings. We would have experienced the first year Because there will be some savings with this if you ask me to quantify it I can't tell you what that's going to be specifically, but we will generate savings in the first year of the program Okay, thank you Alderman Hammett President kiddleson. Did you have anything else? Alderman Samson, did you have anything more please? Thank you. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Yeah, I would I understand The overall goal of that mr. Rice. I really I really do but I would just argue that the seventy five dollars To try to incentivize somebody to come in and just take a test For something that they well number one probably aren't going to follow through with more than likely I would I would think if they weren't doing it before the seventy five dollars in my opinions Probably not going to be enough to get them in and and and start doing these things and these tests I think that the way it should be presented if it wasn't presented would be as an incentive in light of things happening in in Madison right now with with the cost of of Contribution levels going higher Part of an incentive for me would be to try to cut my premium levels lower So that would be part of if you live a healthier lifestyle that could have a direct impact on your premiums The healthier you are the potentially lower that your premiums can be that's a big enough incentive for me If it's coming out of my own pocket The other thing would be as silly as this is a healthier lifestyles pretty incentivizing to me If I'm living a pretty poor lifestyle and somebody brings it to my attention that I could live healthier Maybe live a little longer. That's a pretty good incentive for me I just don't believe the seventy five dollars even though when you look at the forty thousand dollar package can be Recouped over the course of time. I think that's just not going to be enough to incentivize somebody So I think we should just eliminate the seventy five dollar gift card go right to the just go right to the next step would be This is going to potentially affect your premiums. All right, but that that's not possible to do until the first of the year coming up I Think you're Alderman Samson Alderman Bowers Yes How did you arrive at the 40,000 we have approximately how many employees? 900 500 500 So you multiply it five five hundred by 40 we figured if we got 60% participation Okay So 60 70 percent the 40,000 it could be less and it could be more absolutely It could be zero if nobody participates and and really if they do participate there's no incentive for them to Initiate any of the benefits is it and tell what a year later or maybe never Well, there's no incentive once they get the results right for them going forward next year if we incorporate the plan changes We're looking for yes, there would be then there would be an incentive. Absolutely So this would give them a year ahead start, right? So we're allocating 40,000, but it could be born it could be left could not be more it would be less. Oh, it could be left Okay Thank you Alderman Bowers other person meant to be here Thank You mr. Mayor. I think that this is a good idea. There's lots of City employees who don't have a very healthy lifestyle. They know who they are We know who they are. Maybe they don't even know who they are But if we're seventy five dollars, they will take this test and find out the accurate numbers about themselves And if that's seventy five dollars does help them do something this year It will it will bring us some savings it will bring some savings to their own life as well I think this is a good idea if few people participate well then next year we use the stick But this year I think this is a wonderful carrot to get them to live to find out where they are if they're willing and Then live a healthier lifestyle this year reduce some of our costs this year Thank You all the person not to me are all the person alderman raceler. Thank You mr. Mayor I guess I'm the the one Person here that's actually already under this working for the county. We've had this for several years I believe they did use to care at the first time around and To try and get people to participate in this and now we're to the point where if we do not We pay a higher premium one of the things I wanted to comment on I think that it's a very successful program Through the county a lot of different programs. They're using to try and get people to take better care of themselves One of the things I wanted to bring up mr. Rice is we wanted to get a more familiar with the county clinic as well Correct, and this will be one way to kind of use that as an incentive To at least let them know that it's there for their using and we don't have the same fees that we're going to pay when they do go to their To their regular doctors that correct And then the other thing I guess I look at is the money this $40,000 is coming out of the insurance fund correct And that is money that's left over from like the year before that we haven't spent there It's coming from the fund itself. It's coming from the the the money that we have budgeted this year to cover Insurance claims costs. Okay. Yes. It's part of that paid for by the employees Contribution go towards that Well, we budget the whole amount and we collect a premium share, right? So I'm getting you an essence is they are in some way paying possibly for a portion of this card as well. Thank you Thank You're all the person racelor Alderman Hammond. Thank you Just a quick question or two quick questions We're a self-funded plan When we pay claims Obviously, you know because of HIPAA and certain things do we know what those claims are for? Yes, so we can track maybe not by individual but by what those claims are so we can kind of get a history of you know this year we had 40 people on high blood pressure medication or x y and z So some of these very same trends that we're looking at are looking to get through the health risk assessment We could actually get through data mining our own Claims history, correct. We have some of that information already. The other question I had is somebody had mentioned there were 500 employees and we're looking at $75 of employee That's 37,500 you mentioned that we were budgeting about 60 percent Where's the rest of those dollars going to is there a cost to the actual program itself? No, okay Cost is being borne by umr. Okay, so everybody at least at 500 employees participates at 37,500 We're we were you guys were budgeting at 60 percent. I'm not trying to catch anybody in anything here I just want to make sure that the math works out here. No, the likelihood of us spending all $40,000 is probably less than 10% Because you yourself know if you have 500 employees if you get 60 percent you're lucky, but we had to budget a number Okay Okay, thank you Alderman Hammond Alderman Hannah just one more clarification I just want to make sure people understand that the $40,000 was not set aside In the insurance fund budget for this. This is taking away from Reserves to pay possible claims, right Okay, I have no more lights on my board. Thank you Tom You know, I think all their other person want to me or use the term You know, this is the carrot and we could always use the stick You know my opinion the carrot is always more effective than the stick you know Speaking for myself I went for years without getting a physical I've gotten two of them in the last two years I know what my numbers are now and Believe it or not. They accuse me of working out which really scared me, but I Think it's a you know, I for people that do not Take the HRA and especially the biometrics do not get the blood work done etc. It makes you well aware of where you are physically And if we can recoup what we're putting into this And it'll be a maximum of $40,000 and get one-year jump on Improving our long-term costs and insurance and let's face it healthier employees go to work more. They take less sick days They take more less comp time I think it's it wouldn't be a bad thing But of course it's up to the vote of the Common Council. I have more light no more lights up here Can we have a roll call vote, please? Okay, Hannah no Heidemann no cut I Kittleson I Montemay or I Rin Flesch. No racer. I Samson. No Wongamun. No Boran no Bowers no Decker. No Hammond no four eyes nine nose motion fails Moving on 2444 by finance recommending setting rates and billing policies for the provision and billing of ambulance services is Provided to the public by the Sheboygan fire department in passing the attached substitute resolution Alderman Hammond Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I move that the reported committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion and a second under discussion Alderman Hammond, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to make an amendment That for those looking at the last second the last paragraph and I'll read it for those Therefore only information presented to the Common Council by the fire chief and or finance director in an open session of a public meeting Shall be made available to those record requesting the information under the guise of Wisconsin open records or freedom of information act I move we strike that From the document and I'm turning McLean can maybe provide a little more information if the why second Okay, we have a motion a second. Can you clarify where that's at Alderman Hammond? I'm sorry. It's on the very last page second to last paragraph of the 2336 document that's attached third page Okay, so you want to strike the entire paragraph yes Everybody aware of where that's at Okay, Steve Thank you, Mayor This Alderman Hammond's making the motion that might request Number one the public records law really speaks for itself. I don't think the council through this Language ought to be Adding to or putting conditions on what is available under the open records law and that's What this is really saying it's saying that we won't Make available these particular records under the open records law Unless they've been presented to the Common Council by the fire chief or the finance director in an open session of a public meeting If they are open records under the open records law, they need to be released period Whether or not the fire chief or the police chief or the finance director or anybody has presented them to the council if they're not Open records under the open records law and there are many exceptions including federal Privacy laws HIPAA and that sort of thing that provide protections for from release and disclosure of confidential information then they're not Subject to the open record law and won't be released in any event So it really doesn't add anything Here to have this language in and I'm concerned that it could potentially be used just as a Shield to say, you know, we're not going to provide you that information because neither the finance director or the fire chief happened to present that Information to the council in an open session again under the law if it's either Public information or it's not Okay, thank you Steve. This is on the amendment only We're speaking just on the amendment. Is there any other discussion on the amendment? Okay, I'm voting on the amendment only which is striking the paragraph starting therefore only information All in favor of striking that say aye opposed Okay, motion carries the amendment carries Now under discussion on the amended resolution Alderman borne Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I would encourage my fellow council members to go along with me tonight and vote on this document the Remember a few months ago Alderman Hanna and I sat in on interviews of the new billing service and I'm impressed what I've seen so far We've took two finance meetings going over the rates and then also the The billing policies one thing that I that I like the new billing service is doing is their hardship policy Finding out upfront very soon which people Qualify for a hardship either to have their bill eliminated or lowered based on on their income It seems like a very good program The other thing we added in and finance down Two items from the hardship policy was a standard billing practice for private pay patients This is the peer group that is always the most difficult to collect from because they they don't have insurance for one reason or another And what we're going to be doing different with this billing service that we didn't do other under the old billing services Is that for the people that are private pay patients? If we have not heard anything from those patients within 30 days The new billing service is going to make a phone call to those patients and try to qualify them to see whether indeed they do qualify for a heart the hardship policy and Get them on a payment plan as soon as possible with our old billing service These not of these private pay patients that didn't have any insurance or were not Medicare or Medicaid In some cases it may have taken 120 days before any significant contact was made with these people and we feel that by at least having this contact after 30 days and seeing whether yes they do qualify for a for hardship policy To have part of their bill reduced or in some cases if they're true hardship They wouldn't have to pay anything, but we feel that that's going to be a huge step in improving the The collections in that in that pair of groups. So again, I encourage my fellow council members to vote for this tonight I think this is a huge upgrade over what we had with the old billing service. Thank you Thank you Alderman boring Alderman Hannah. Thank you You know, and I'd really like to thank the work of the finance committee's done on this. Unfortunately, I've had experience of having my mom use the ambulance service four times in the last 45 days And Alderman born is correct First off for our senior citizens, it's confusing as these bills start to come rolling in so as much communication as we can put into it I think it's gonna be very very helpful Folks want to pay they want to be informed But an awful lot of paperwork comes flying at them real fast that they don't have people helping them with it gets confusing So I commend the committee's recommendations Thank you Alderman Hannah. Is there any further discussion? There's no discussion. We'll call please Just to note Alderman Hammond Can we make it clear that it's the substitute resolution we're passing not the regular? Is that okay? All right, Heidemann. Hi, cut. Hi Kittleson. Hi, Montemay or hi Rindflash. Hi racer. Hi, Samson. Hi, Wangaman. No Warren. Hi Bowers. Hi Decker. Hi Hammond. Hi and Hannah. Hi 12 eyes one no motion carries 24 45 by finance recommending a transfer of appropriations in the 2011 budget established revenue and appropriations for lead Hazard rehabilitation grant Alderman Hammond. Thank you, mr. Mayor I move the report committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage Second we have a motion a second to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There is no discussion roll call, please. Hi, Kittleson. Hi Montemay or hi Rindflash Racer hi Samson. Hi Wangaman. Hi Warren. Hi Bowers. Hi Decker. Hi Hammond. Hi Hannah. Hi and Heidemann. Hi 13 eyes motion carries 2446 by public works recommending entering into an access agreement with Wisconsin Public Service Corporation for temporary access to the Camp Marina Park area and surrounding city property for the purpose of completing an environmental remediation project Overseen by the US EPA pending approval by the city attorney Public Works Alderman Boren Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted second And the resolution be put upon its passage and the resolution be put upon its passage We have a motion to second on that under discussion It maybe wouldn't be a bad idea for director Bittner just to explain what's going to be going on down there in the next Few months and that our partner Wisconsin Public Service Corporation is going to be spending several million dollars, I believe it's four or five million dollars on this project down there and Director Bittner can maybe speak to as exactly what's going to be going on down there and possibly a little inconvenience for our citizens this summer Bill It's constant public service is also known as the gas company the work under this contract is really The work that's being undertaken by Wisconsin Public Service that's part of the bigger Dredging picture and cleanup of the of the entire river and there's two things that'll kind of go on This sex next summer, which is the dredging of the river, which will will be done by an EPA contract But also this work, which is a remediation of the area Just this side of what I call this boat island. I believe this is the term And to do that, they'll actually be building dams upstream and downstream of both boat island and dredging out material that's contaminated with coal tar from years of coal gas Back in the history of the of the community to do such they obviously need to use that part of the river But more importantly that part of the bank and so they'll be setting up some place just To the south of the condominiums near pin Street bridge Pennsylvania Street Avenue Bridge Down to Wisconsin And we'll really be closing that riverfront trail that small area of park and using that To dredge material out of the river load it dewater it and then haul it away for for disposal at the appropriate site With that will really be quite a bit of disturbance of that area For most of starting relatively quickly in April, but through the entire construction season in the summer Workers Park will not be affected, but the trails to it will be they'll be fencing their entire site I have some degree of truck traffic in and out because I'll actually be removing this material from the river So we'll see a lot of activity on that site throughout the the whole summer period Questions I guess Thank You bill Yeah, this is a this is in conjunction with the Superfund dredging of the river which we had a meeting today on Preconstruction meeting the river dredging should begin on the Superfund portion Somewhere in about two weeks that the with the dredge will be put into the river They'll start laying the pipeline and all that's the Superfund portion There's Bill stated there will be some dams built out from this bank of the river down by the Camp Marina site Which will run? Diagonally out to the tips of Boat Island, which will close off that portion of the river And that will be a separate project Which they will manually dredge that rather than hydraulic dredging it and they will will be treating that soil right on site there So it's it will be an inconvenience all summer long Between the Superfund and this portion of it and if we're fortunate Sometime toward the middle to the end of the summer we can come right back down the river Beginning with the legacy portion, which will give us additional depth from the A Street Bridge up But we're looking at two years of inconvenience on the river But the end result will hopefully be that we will have a clean river and a navigable river But it will definitely be Noisy at times Boaters will especially have to be careful because there'll be pipelines in the water and It will be an inconvenience, but when it's done for the first time in 35 years We'll have a navigable river, which is the the end result of it and even more importantly a clean river. So That's but this is one portion of it and hopefully everything works out where this continues on for the next two summers Is there any further discussion if there is no roll call, please Kittleson I Montemay or I Rinflesh. Hi racelor. Hi Samson. Hi Longamon. Hi Bourne. Hi Bowers. Hi Decker. Hi Hammond. Hi Hanna. Hi. Hi to men. Hi. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries ordinances introduced 10 24 47 lies over 24 48 to be referred Matters laid over 11 23 47 arrow number 425 10 11 by the city clerk submitting a communication from Richard Hartman inquiring about the needed appointments for the government structure committee President Kittleson, thank you mayor. I move to accept and file the arrow second We have a motion a second to accept and file under discussion What's president Rinflesh? Thank you, your honor I have had conversations with mr. Hartman regarding His concern that the committee called the government structure committee Has not met if you recall we've had some resignations as letter points out Including the chairperson as vice chair my understanding is that I do become Chairman after resignation of that said committee although we don't really have particularly have Specific rules that dictate that However, the way the council the committee was made up even with a full membership. It was very difficult to hold meetings We've had some meetings that were cancelled to do lack of quorum I think when I made the resolution to recreate this committee I use the same names and they were very specific on these individuals by name were appointed to the committee instead of having a representative from Chamber of Commerce or somebody that could can step up and follow that There is important work that has not been examined yet That the government structure committee was was convened to do so including two important documents was redistricting But who began to look at but the community whole looked at that instead and then two positions of the city's clerks office And the city attorney's office as well so I would welcome the opportunity down the road to Continue to study and looking at ways of more government can be efficient Strategic fiscal finance committee is also looking at certain ways. So we have things being looked at right now But having just a few weeks left in this committee when this committee was set up to exterminate anyway Recommend that we let it go now and look at perhaps a more efficient and better way of finding efficiencies and government down the road Thank You vice-president Rindflash. I do agree with you this committee is due to sunset at the end of this council year So to the point more people at this time would be fruitless Is there any further discussion? There is none roll call, please All in favor say aye opposed motion carries 2340 not 49 our own number 426 1011 by the redevelopment authority recommending approval of the new ground lease between RDA and Claremont new frontier LLC and the termination agreement between the redevelopment authority and the Great Lakes Company's Inc. Blue Harbor resort Sheboygan LLC and Blue Harbor resort condominium LLC Alderman Hammond Thank You your honor. I move that the report of officer be accepted in place done file Second we have a motion in a second to accept in place on file under discussion Alderman Hammond Again as many of you are aware of what's going on between Claremont new frontier This is just terminating the agreement and then that we currently have down there and allowing for the new operating agreement There's gonna be the new ground lease to take place Thank You Alderman Hammond Is there any further discussion? We have a motion to accept in file All in favor say aye opposed motion carries 2332 resolution number 224 1011 by Alderman Hammond authorizing entering into a development agreement agreement with continental properties 194 fund LLC for development of the former Kmart site 2633 South Business Drive Alderman Hammond Thank You again. I move the resolution be put upon its passage second We have a motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage Chet Not too often that you have somebody I would ask that this be referred to the finance committee It lied over at the last meeting because we didn't have the agreement figured out We've since been able to conclude the agreement the finance committee hasn't looked at it yet So if we could refer to the next finance I'd make the motion and poem Pull my first move that we have a motion do we have a second motion in a second to refer to finance all in favor say aye Opposed the finance it goes Thank you, Chad Okay, moving on other matters authorized by law attorney McLean Thank you your honor 2451 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2011 and June 30 2012 that will go to law and licensing 2052 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from wide L. J. Vaughn requesting a waiver of the sex offender residency restrictions will go to public protection and safety 2453 is a communication from Diane Hackbar requesting permission to put a banner over South a street in the 500 block Help promote awareness of their mission to create a world free of MS during their walk MS Sheboygan on Sunday, May 1st to public works 2454 is a claim from Horace Hummel for damages to his vehicle on a snow plow Hit something hard which kicked the plow blade out and striking his car in the rear driver side door to risk management 2455 is a resolution authorizing entering into an agreement between the city and Greg Linder For the purpose of permitting the police department's emergency response team to use property at 2901 Calumet Drive for SWAT practice be referred to public protection and safety 2456 is an arrow by the redevelopment authority indicating that they they met Today at noon discuss the final version of the ground lease between the redevelopment authority and Claremont new frontier resort and the termination agreement Between the redevelopment authority and the Great Lakes companies Blue Harbor resort Sheboygan LLC and Blue Harbor resort condominium LLC recommending Recommends approval of the final ground lease including section 38 of revision number 11 and the final version of the termination agreement and operating Okay, thank you Steve Are going to be convening in closed session We will reconvene in the open session for the votes on the items discussed in closed session I believe we will be going off the air at this point under the exemption Contained in section nineteen point eight five One e Wisconsin statutes for the purpose of deliberating regarding the termination of various agreements and new leases relating to the proposed sale By Great Wolf to Claremont new frontier of the Blue Harbor resort for competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session second Okay, we have a motion and a second Everybody will have to leave the council chambers We will be going off the air at this point and we'll not be returning on air this evening We will take a six-minute recess while everything is Closed out. We need a roll call Bob. Well, we need a roll call on closed session first before everybody leaves roll call Please Montemay or I win flash racelor. Hi, Samson. Hi, Wongman Warren powers Decker Hammond hi, Hannah. Hi. Hi to men. Hi And Kittleson. Hi 13 eyes Motion carries