 Pimp was the character and Bun was the vocalist, the rapper. I'll put money on Bun B today against any rapper out there. Like Bun is my guy when it comes to me. You'll put him against Jay-Z? All day long. Wipe him off the floor. You put him against Jay-Z, wipe him off the floor. You know that. You know that. Not even close. How do you feel? Okay, so Jay-Z, okay, hold me. You got $25,000. All day. And you got to bet your money on Jay-Z or Bun B going into this booth to do a new creative song today. Who do you put that $25,000? Bun, all day. Wipe him off the floor. You got to explain that to me. So, we on Boss Talk 101, 101. Here we go. How did you end up even writing, you know, the DJ screwed, I mean, just that whole movement. How did you end up even in the midst of it and embracing it? So, there was this place called Southwest Wholesale. Yeah, for sure. And they were writing our backyard. Okay. You know, I was with a group called Thugs of Another Kind. It was me and two other white guys. How old were you? This was right when I was 18. Okay. And I wanted to say, we were gonna be the NWA of white guys, but really you can't be NWA and be three white guys from the suburbs. Like, what are you gonna be mad at? Like, mom didn't give me my allowance this week, bro. Like, I can't go get my shoes, but no on, you know, on the real, so we put out that one album and that album didn't do well commercially, but we were able to sell 5,000 units out of the trunk of our car. Wow. Which led us to know that, hey listen, if you hustle, you can make money on those. And so, at that time, we were blessed to follow Kiki on tour, but who introduced me to screw was Hawk. Okay. I had met Hawk and after, you know, the idea of the country rap tune came about, our first instant reaction was, well, we gotta get Pimpsy and Bun B on it. Wow. At that time, they had just got off a big pimping and, you know, Mama Monroe, she was all about her business and her babies were getting 25 a piece and that just wasn't in my budget at that time. I was more than happy of sold everything I had just to, you know, get them on a bar, you know, whatever, right? But at the time, it just wasn't in our budget and so, you know, we respected Mama Monroe and Pimp and Bun and the obvious next choice was Hawk. He just had that country draw. He spoke country. He talked country. He walked country. And so, when we got big Hawk on the song, he introduced me to basically everybody in the club, Pokey and DJ Screw and everybody. And so, that's how the country rap tune ended up coming about. It was basically because of Hawk. You should best kill secret uncut and raw. On this country western rap, they tend to dust and draw. So, country rap tune, you know, you heard Pimp, did he say it before you guys or after you guys? So, he's the one that indoctrinated the whole thing. This is his thing, right? I just got the blessing. All right. That was it. You know, I had a long, long, you know, sessions with Pimp learning how to produce, learning music theory from Pimp C, which is mind-blowing. You know, here this guy was so talented at his craft, he studied other greats. Like, he would tell me about the Beatles and how they would do a, you know, a hook and then a short verse, eight bars and then another hook and then another short verse. He's like, toe down. Don't do 16s no more. You need to do 12s and eights. Bring back that hook back in. And this was a guy that, this was my run DMC, you know? My brother grew up on run DMC. I grew up on UGK. Right. It's crazy that you say that because we just had Bun on and Bun said that when they did the get throw, he only prepared for 12 bars when Jay-Z wrapped. It makes sense when you say that. And then you look back at the big pimping, Pimp C only did eight bars on that song. So what you're saying lines up with exactly what he told you. And if you were in the industry at the time and you got to hear the Bun B verse before Pimp got on it, Bun B actually had a longer verse on there if I'm not mistaken. And I think Jay-Z went back and he added the Pamela, Anderson Lee and all of that after the Bun verse, right? Okay. Kind of you go back and have to put another verse on this now. It's just too much. And then when Pimp C came on the song, it was just a rap. Pimp was the character and Bun was the vocalist, the rapper. I'll put money on Bun B today against any rapper out there. Like Bun is my guy when it comes. You'll put him against Jay-Z? All day long. Wipe him off the floor. You put him against Star Flakes? You know that. You know that. Not even close. How do you feel? Okay, so Jay-Z, okay, hold me. You got $25,000. All day. And you got to bet your money on Jay-Z or Bun B going into this booth to do a new creative song today. Who do you put that 25? Bun, all day. Why? You got to explain that to him. So we had one of the first all digital studios in Houston. This is circa 2000, 2001. Bun blessed me by doing an E40 record at my studio, which gave me one of my first gold records. I've seen Bun go rap a verse that he was featured on. The other guys had already laid their verses. After they hear Bun, hey man, erase that. I need to go rewrite this. Multiple times. Wow. Multiple times. The way that Bun is able to articulate his vocabulary and words was just unseen and unprecedented back then and still today. Well, it's Bun B, bitch, and I'm the king of moving chickens, not them finger licking. Stickin' niggas that be trickin', you need a swift kickin'. Mm-hmm. What would you say about Scarface? Because a lot of people say that he's one of the best. Get all niggas, remain vile, remain vile, hold the kippers, remain vile, remain vile, niggas trapped with full fives and ain't smite. So, Scarface, I hold him in a different light. I hold him as a founding father. Okay. Where Bun B was more of my, I don't wanna say my peer, because he's not, you know, we're not that close, but he was a lot closer to me than the Scarface music that I had grown up on. Go PD, they gettin' some way if they see me. My nigga, that's how these G's be. We three, me, C, M, S, O, P, Z. You know, Scarface, when you talk about Texas rap, Scarface is at the top. Today must be my lucky day. I turned the corner, hit the block, and seen that ass from a mile away. Almost everybody's list. But when I'm talking about just playing, lyricists, time and time again, consistency, consistency at Bun. I can't really make that argument with you because I'm so Texas. Like, I don't know, man. Scarface is a storyteller. Bun is a lyricist. So you're right. They do rap two different types of rap, but face hard too many. Don't give a- Get it up for the invincible. It's HL finest, the GB, the general, the street shit, the diamonds. What you mean wrong? Face hard too many. Mary Jane is still on my playlist to this day, right? No doubt. But you go listen to Outkast's Tough Guy. Tough Guy. We took him for back in the pistol, the jack in dismissal, the stack in my crystal, now my torpedo sleep, I'm cracking your missile. Where he talks about called Tommy, I'm the messiah. Just the way he flips that pattern and that cadence, the whole thing, just I'll put that verse against anybody's verse. Like, he's one of the coldest MCs out there. Man, I agree. When it come to Bumbi, man, like I said, I grew up on that. I'm a PMC. That's my greatest of all time. And it don't matter about what you do. If he come in that room to rap with you, when PMC was doing it, and it's gonna be something he gonna do that's gonna steal the show every time. And listen, though, I just... Did you hear what I just said? You may do whatever, just like when he pull up with the mink with Jaina. He gonna always steal the show. TV ain't got no temperature.