 When you see studies that say things like the stretched portion of a rep builds the most muscle, or the negative portion of a rep builds the most muscle, or this particular rep range has been shown to build the most muscle, you're not hearing the whole story. Here's the whole story. The other rep ranges, the other portions of the rep, all that other stuff, it also builds muscle. Don't avoid all the other stuff because you saw some silly studies saying that one thing was a little better than the other. In fact, all of the things that I mentioned have value and if you understand that you can apply them appropriately and get the most results. I'm doing this because of that. Have you seen the posts that are going around? I saw that somebody was posting that video of what's his name, Sam Solak or whatever, because he has a video of him doing partial reps. Yeah, and like you'll see bodybuilders do this sometimes and stuff like that. So I'll talk about the study. So they'll compare the ranges of a rep range. So let's say I'm doing a curl, right? There's the stretch portion where the bicep is fully lengthened and the mid range and then fully contracted. And they'll compare the effect of training in those different rep ranges and find which one builds the most muscle. And what they find is the stretch portion builds the most muscle. And then they'll do studies where they say, okay, this group over here for 16 weeks only trains in the stretch portion. And then this group over here trains in let's say a full range of motion. And in that short 16 week period, they may show a little bit more muscle growth in that stretch period. And so now you've got all these, you know, fitness people on social media advocating for these kind of half reps and partial reps, saying like this will maximize gains and stuff like that. And it annoys me because that's totally discounted the full understanding of what the rep range does of training and of strength training. Like for example, this nobody talks about the strength that you build within a particular rep, you know, within a particular range of motion, most of the strength you gain is within the range of motion that you train. So what happens if you train in all these half reps all the time, you're going to develop, even if you built the same amount of muscle, you're not dysfunction dysfunction. 100%. And we've seen this by the way. Yeah, we've shot videos for workout programs where we've had like bodybuilders come in or physique competitors come in demonstrating the exercises with lightweight. This is all demonstration. And they can't even lock out an overhead press because they're so dysfunctional that they have no spring dumbbell behind their head for tricep extension. Yeah. It's like, and that's where the whole like bodybuilder meat head muscle bound. It's not only that, it's the part that I think is far more important that none of these talk about is that novelty trumps all of this. So if you took somebody who always trained in the shortened range of motion or in the stretched position and you all of a sudden put them for that same person, right? They've been six months, all they did, they built all this muscle and then now it's starting to plateau because the body's adaptable and then you switch them over into full range of motion. And then you compare to their training in the next six months in the stretch position and you'll see that the novel stimulus is going to build more muscle. So the thing that I hate about all these studies that talk about these type of specifics, rep ranges, rest periods, stretch position, full range of all of it is that, you know, at one point, you start to see diminishing returns. The body is this adaptation machine. So once you send the signal to get strong in this particular range of motion or this particular weight or this particular amount of repetitions or this particular amount of rest periods, then the body adapts. And then now the best thing to continue to build muscle is something different. And that thing different could be any of those things I just listed off. 16 week studies on strength trainers. It's just, it's terrible. It just seems like these camps, they always want these studies to come out to justify their favorite and their way, their methodology exclusively. And so that way like they can, you know, come at the other methods out there and then create these turf wars. And it's just so stupid. All of it like produces like to your point earlier, like each one of those methods have a valid way of building muscle. And that's what we should be interested in. Well, it feeds into the, the marketing cycle, right? Doug always talks about this, right? Like there's, there's like a list of like the top like five titles for books and stuff like that. Like the, the five secrets or whatever that it's like, it feeds into, it's like this hidden secret. Like, oh, you've been doing full range of motion this whole time. Guess what? Look at this study that shows partial reps is better for this. It's like, it's because of that because people scrolling or, or, you know, searching things on YouTube or whatever. And they come across something that is, you know, counterintuitive and it seems, and then they have a study now that they can attach to it. Even worse, they try it's novel. Oh my God, I'm convinced. Right. Well, and that's what happened. Cause, and this is what happened to me as a, as a, as a, you know, teenager in early 20s is I would read one of these studies or read one of these articles that references the study in a muscle magazine. And now I would adopt it and I would be married to it. It would be like, that's what I was doing for the next year onto the sunset. Yeah. Because look at this guy's biceps. And so it became super clear that you plateaued. Yeah. I went through that cycle. I mean, so many times I was convinced high volume training was a way to train. Then I was convinced super low. High intensity. Then I was convinced partial reps was, was the way to go. Then I was convinced that there were certain exercises. Then it was low reps, then it was high reps. Then it was high reps. Then it was like short rest periods and it was long. So I did, I did that same exact trajectory. And then after I figured it out that, oh, that's not, it's novel. Then I went all novelty every workout. Yeah. Yeah. Everything different. I literally feel like I covered the entire spectrum. It's like name your philosophy of training and I've adopted it and married it for too long. And I think that's, that's the lesson now that we're, or where I think I've come to as far as like how I programmed for myself or for somebody else is that there, you do want to stick in a modality, a range of motion, a rest period, a, you know, reps for a short period of time so that you, you send a novel stimulus to the body to force it to adapt and grow and build, but not too long that you start to see returns and then in that timeframe based off all the studies is going to land somewhere between three to six weeks for most people. And so whatever you, you decide is you're going to be your, whether it's partial reps, full range, whether it be whatever rep range we're talking about. I want to stick to that and be consistent with it for three to six weeks so I can measure how well it's working for my body and see when it starts to slow down. And then I want to get out of that before week six and move into a new way of training so I continue to see those. Now I will add though, if you're, if you're within your first year of exercise, I don't think you should train any partial reps. Not that you don't need to even, it's just that you're going to end up creating more dysfunction. If you haven't been working out consistently for a year and you strengthen a shortened range of motion, you will increase instability outside of that range of motion. That's a good point because this isn't, okay, even though I threw it in the category of rest periods, reps and things, it's not, it doesn't even come close to comparing to those things. You can manipulate exercise selection, rep range, rest period in your first five years. Never mess with, never touch shortened range of motion, never touch failure training, never touch cluster setting, never test all these, these, you know, obscure ways of stimulating the muscle and see tremendous consistent results. So I agree. Yeah. And it's a dangerous way to train and can cause a lot of injury. If you get really, really strong in a particular portion of the range of motion, little by little, your body will try to keep you in that range of motion and keep you outside of the range of motion where there's a huge discrepancy because it'll pick up on instability. And so your movement patterns will change. You'll get that muscle bound look or that dysfunctional type of look. And then this is where people who are really strong hurt themselves doing silly things like, oh, I could work out. I could lift so much weight in the gym. Well, how'd you hurt your shoulder? I threw a Frisbee at the park. Well, yeah, you know, I turned around and grabbed something in the car and I threw out my back. That's the real thing. You have that, that strength and in shorter ranges of motion. Then you go to do something with acceleration that extends it, puts a bunch of force, you know, into that those weak links in that range of motion and it's boom, you're susceptible to injury. Yeah, that whole philosophy too. You know, bodybuilding has a lot of benefits and value. There's a lot that you can learn from the way that bodybuilders train that apply to the average person. But it is an extreme endeavor and it is entirely focused on how the person looks. So there's a lot of also detriment to that. There's the willingness to compromise not just physical health but movement and stability and injury for the sake of just looking a particular way. And you know, for most people, that's not a worthy trade. Okay, so you got 2% more muscular and I'll make the argument that wouldn't even happen for the average person. Let's just say you did 2%, you know, you looked 2% better, but now you're 15% less stable. That's not a worthy trade. You know, you don't want to walk around with pain or whatever. And look, I've seen extreme cases where bodybuilders in the pursuit of a smaller waist will even wear a weight belt throughout every workout throughout the whole day or even more extreme will wear something like a... Like a squeam. Like almost like a corset throughout the day purposefully atrophying and weakening their core muscles to get a smaller waist. That's still a thing too by the way. So weird to me. What problems are going to face later on? All right, today's giveaway is MAPS Aesthetic. If you want to win that program, do this. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. We're also running a sale this month. MAPS old time strength is half off and MAPS OCR is also half off. If you're interested, just do this. Click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, here comes the show. I thought this was bodybuilding. You know what? Even if none of that stuff was true, which it is true, you still look stupid as fuck. Can we just talk about that? Just keep it there. Really? You're wearing a corset, bro. Dessert to get punched in the face. So ridiculous when I saw that with all my peers. I'm like, man, you guys... Were they wearing them in the gym? All the time. Was it outside? That trophy, that bad? That bad? You're going to wear a woman's corset all day long to shrink your waist? It's embarrassing. So silly. Hold on. Would they wear it outside their shirt so they could show it and display it or would it be under their shirt? No, it would be under. I mean, I think I've seen both, actually. At least wear it under your shirt. Most guys would wear it under their shirt. Most guys definitely would wear it while they were training in a dumb way. You can possibly do it. And I've heard every justification of why they're doing it and it's like it doesn't matter to me. I don't care if it won you a show, you still look ridiculous. And it's a dumb idea, you know what I'm saying? So it's crazy that way. I think they got a discount from Kim Kardashian's website. She was selling them, too. Can't imagine how many kids try and do that in all in pursuit of this taking first place in men's physique or bodybuilding. You see what the pay was for Chris Bumstead, like one of the most famous bodybuilders in the world right now? He didn't even cover his food probably. 50 grand. Yeah, they didn't even cover hormones for the year. No way, not even close. So it's like all for that. There's people on social media that even compete and that would make way more money because they use social media. That whole thing. And I'll be, look, it'd be full disclosure. I've done a lot of stupid things in pursuit of changing how I look. All, you know, tied to body image stuff and I've done a lot of stupid things, but I've never purposely made myself weaker to look better. That never made sense to me. I don't understand that. Like I wouldn't purposefully make after for my body. I mean, that's the only case. That's the part that really makes no sense. That's the only thing that's like that, right? I can't think of another situation where if bodybuilders could make their bones look better, they would. Remember that surgery that's getting popular now with the lengthening to get you taller? Oh my God, have you seen that? I mean, I've heard about it. Parents are doing that to their kids. You know what they do? Parents are doing that to kids? What? Yeah, there's like lengthening surgeries and all kinds of invasive stuff now to make sure their kids are tall. I understand if there's like a dysfunction or a medical issue. But you know, I don't know, they literally will saw the femur in half. Is the femur the tibia? I thought they were doing the tibia. Oh, sorry, the tibia. They separate it just slightly and support it with like screws. And so the separation causes bone to grow in between and then they do it again and again and again. So you constantly go in and they'll stretch it out and allow. And so, yeah, it's wild. What do we find out it makes them legs stronger though for doing that? Well, when the bone heals, it should be strong. It's kind of interesting. You might get weird proportions though. You see someone and you're like, why is your shin so long? Why is your shin lumpy? That's extreme. I mean, it would look really weird if you already had long shins and you were short. It would already look odd. So then lengthen it even more. Some athletes, some high level athletes are built genetically in a way that makes them better at their particular sport. What does that say right there? Surgical osteomy. Brakes on the femur. No, it is the femur and or tibia. Or an or tibia. I've seen the tibia one. I've never seen the femur one. That's crazy. God, that's a big bone to break purposefully and do. That's going to be a painful process. Yes. So some high level athletes obviously work out hard, train hard to the whole thing, but they also are genetically built in a way that's advantageous for that sport. So you see this like, I don't remember what they call it. There's a term for it, but you'll see swimmers will look a particular way. Runners will look a particular way or whatever. High, high level distance runners, like the best of the best. If you ever see one in person, they look like crickets. They have these small upper bodies like short in these long ass legs for their height and you can see it. I mean, you see it in every sport. And then swimmers are the opposite. Kawhi Leonard is an example of this. His length of his arms, he's already like a tall guy, all basketball players are tall, but for his arm length is abnormally long and his finger length and hands are giant. That's what they call in the claw. If not the best defender in the NBA. I mean, imagine if you got an additional foot wider than everybody else, you close those passing lanes and you have bigger hands, you can grab a hold of the ball and of course, I mean, it doesn't take away from how disciplined he's been to become great. You add those. I mean, that's what we see. That's why I think sports are so fascinating to watch is because it's when the two of those merge, right? When you have this genetic anomaly meets the hardest worker in the room and then you get a superstar. I mean, that's literally what it is. And there's nothing that the average person could ever do. They're using their genetic gifts and like training it. My favorite sport for that to watch is football because it's got the most genetically diverse. In my opinion, athletes on the field. Oh, yeah. Like alignment looks so different from a wide receiver. For example, like they don't look like they're on the same playing the same sport. I just saw a picture of a lineman from Texas high school, like a high school player. He looked literally like he was in there. It felt like just manhandling another. They're just like, you know, every now and then you'll get like somebody that young they're just like destined for it. Now, what I think is really interesting about that point about football is that not only do you have these very specific body types and genetic anomalies and freak athletes, but even though they're so different, like comparing a lineman to a wide receiver quarterback, that lineman is still would be a better wide receiver than I would be. You know what I'm saying? It's like that's how gifted and talented. They're still faster than anybody else. That's the part that is so crazy. I had a combine. I watched this dude that was like, I don't know. He was probably like six, seven in like 300 something pounds ran a 40 in like four, five, four, six. I was like, that's like getting hit by a car. I'm done, dude. That's the highest move. Yes. Yeah. That's him. Wow. Look how much it's just stupid. That doesn't look right. The guy he's handling right now is six foot, three, 200 pounds. What? He's handling him is six, eight, three hundred, 60 pounds. That's a high school kid. My God, three or 60 pounds, six, eight. Dude, that's a big boy he's throwing right now. He is destined for greatness. You know what's funny? What a double-edged sword, either A, like what you said, Justin, could be destined for greatness or B, it could make you so lazy in sports and athletics, right? Cause like at that size, up until a certain point, he doesn't have to try it. Why laugh? Cause my roommate was like that. I was used to talk shit and you know, I couldn't get him to go to the workouts with me. And like that was half my job. Yeah. I'm just like pulling him in, but he just, cause he didn't need to, he just shows up and he would literally just put one hand on somebody and they'd go to the ground. Are you, it was so frustrating. Are you watching a coach prime on Amazon right now? Andrew, are you watching it? Oh man, you guys are missing out. Yeah. So good. Cause they, they followed him. They followed him all from the, before at Colorado, right? When he was, I can't remember the name of the prep school but that was season one. Season two now is Colorado. Cause I watched the season one where he they're on season two now where he's doing Colorado and you're watching him change that entire organization. It's really, really great. It's great. I mean, it's, you know what's interesting is cause I have a buddy who like hates him and it's like Dion Sanders has created this. He, there is nothing in the middle. You either are super in love with what he's doing and like everything about what's going on. So outspoken. Or you absolutely like guaranteed. I bring this up on the show right now. There's going to be comments. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of hate and lots of love. Like he's like, there's no middle ground for this guy. It's like you, you either really, really appreciate and love everything he's doing or you completely despise it. And you, you see like all the other kids, you see like my buddy who's a teacher, his, his reason for hating him and stuff like that is what he thinks is he's going to destroy this Colorado program. And he's going to go basically go in there, go to him and then he'll be out. And then when he's out, it'll be decimated and all these kids will be screwed and it's like this. It's like a selfish movies playing that he's doing where a lot of other people believe it's the opposite. He's going to go in there and he's going to shift the culture and even if he does leave, you know, they're going to have success in his wake, not the opposite. So it's interesting. You know, it's crazy about the, the conversation we're having that led to that was, because I've experienced personally, you have two Justin. One comparison to other good people. And then you go up against someone who's world-class. Like I did that in, in Judo and Jiu Jitsu. Like I was, I knew how I felt against the black belt and there were some that I could handle myself pretty well with and some that obviously could handle me because I never got to that level. But I knew how I knew what it felt like until a world-class black belt came and trained with us. And then I literally felt like I knew nothing. It was, it was such a gap. It was so, it was so wild to feel like easily he could, he could handle me that it blew my mind. Like there's a whole another gear. In traditional sports, I feel like that happens at every level, right? Like if you're a general pop person who likes playing rec ball, it's like, that's like, we'll call that like the lowest level of sport, right? Where you can still be in your early 20s and playing, right? But you're not in anything. Then you go to like college and then there's like junior college and regular college. We're talking about football. There's NIA, there's like different levels and it just keeps going up until you reach pro. And then even within pro, there's you're on the bench pro, average player pro, practice squad. Yeah, there's the levels are insane. So here's what that takes me, right? Because we know what plays the difference and there's definitely work ethic and all that. But at that level, it's like the gifts, gifts play the big role, right? That discrepancy that we have identified with pro performance, which is wild. It's wild. There's such a huge variance. Most people are somewhere in the middle, but then extreme intelligence. Intelligence, it's in everything. How imagine being, so you can imagine being like the best athlete in the world and what that would feel like. I wonder what that feels like for people who are that smart or on that level of intelligence. You know what I mean? How about this trip on this for a minute? What would you rather be like Elon, Jordan Peterson, intelligent or dumb as rocks? I think I'd almost rather be dumb as rocks. I think it would be, you know, where do you think that saying comes from? Ignorance is bliss. There's a part of being ignorantly dumb would probably be better than to be massively brilliant because it would probably be torturous and having conversations without average people would be so unfulfilling where if you're the dumb guy wasting all of your knowledge, right? Every day, every second you're awake, trying to like solve things. Well, imagine how frustrating it must be. So you guys disagree with that? My ego would not let me to answer the ways you want me to. My ego says no. So you would rather be the ultra brilliant. People are happy, dude. I'd rather be dumb, dude, dumb and pretty. You didn't say that part. Well, why not? Are you throwing more stuff in there? I'm not going to say it's rich. The likelihood you're going to be rich is probably low if you're really dumb. I don't know, man. Doug, where you at with this? That's a tough one, for sure. Being dumb maybe is ignorance is bliss. I think there might be. I know a lot of happy dumb people. I don't know a lot of very brilliant people that are happy. That's true. I know way more dumb happy people than I know brilliant people. That's a real statistic. That's a real statistic. That high super high intelligence is really low intelligence is also associated with terrible mental disorder. I don't know how low you're going. Are you talking about average dumb or dumb dumb? Not medically. Not a disability dumb. Just dumb. There was an episode of Family Guy where Peter goes to the doctor. He does an IQ test and the doctor's like, oh, well, you're borderline. I mean, Andrew, where are you at with this? Brilliant. If you had to choose either or. On a scale of happiness, I'd rather be dumb. On a scale of impact, I'd rather be brilliant. Yeah, of course. Well, yeah, I mean, that's, yeah. If you're taking the best people are helping. But imagine how frustrating it is. Imagine like, I wonder if like a super brilliant, like Stephen Hawking's or Elon Musk, if he always feels like he's in a room with kindergartners, you know what I mean? Well, I mean, you've been in this situation. We've talked about this off air for sure before. Like how painful is it even when at your level and you have to talk to somebody who is so ignorant and dumb and it's like wasting your time talking to them and it's painful. It's painful and it's like, that's the last time I'm going to associate with that person. They're still not getting it, you know, at that point too. And you're like reducing it down and you're really good at communicating and simplifying and they still don't get it. So for someone that I feel like Peterson or Musk, everybody has to feel like that to them. You have to feel like you are just everybody even the people that think they get it, they don't get it. You know what I'm saying? That's how you feel. That's got to be so weird, you know. That's why you want to get a Mars. Give me a be a dumb dumb. We've got to get the fuck out of here. I'm tired of this. They're all idiots. I'm out of here. So what's up with the Cybertruck propaganda? You guys were bringing some stuff up. There was a video floating around. The one I shared? The Christmas tree one. The word truck that's pulling it out. The propaganda again. It's so wild. Look at your guys' text. I sent it to the group thread. So I comment on it. It's getting all kinds of trash and debate back and forth. So tell me when you see it, the headline. You see the headline? Tesla abruptly stopped on the bay bridge causing an eight vehicle crash. So you watch the video and the Tesla car all of a sudden like its blinker goes on and then it just like it says I don't know. I said if this was any other car model with this title lead with the car model. A Ford Explorer. No. Just play that out. You would play the driver. You would say driver does this or that. Even if it was like a Prius or another like. The propaganda is so wild. Wasn't the latest movie on Netflix? It was about like Tesla cars. It wasn't about that but there's a whole scene. I mean they were in there. How many people don't see that? There's a debate going on with me on there. Like oh people are like this is like I'm like think about it for a second. It's just random. It's not like a car hasn't stopped abruptly on the freeway before and cars haven't piled up. Tell me the car model of any of those other scenarios. You can't because they don't ever they don't headline it like that. It would say driver or they would or like self-driving car crashes or something like that. But not Tesla. Tesla does this. It's crazy deliberate. It's very weird to me to see the organized efforts in certain directions because once you see it you can't unsee it and it's like oh my god this is wild. There's this one page I follow on Facebook called Futurism and I follow them because they post articles about technology and stuff. But I swear to God every other post is a let's make a let's find a way to say something negative about Elon Musk. It's so weird. I mean like Mashable, TechCrunch. I still follow all of them and it literally is like they'll drum up information from years ago just put it out there when something's hot like with Tesla or whatever just to like throw shade and it's so deliberate. It's okay. So you just bring me to that clip that Kyle sent me this morning. I know you guys saw it with IBM. Oh yeah. It's just weird guys. I don't know what this is because you know in this country when we moved towards the civil rights movement and we moved in those directions it was about unifying. It was about character. It was about immutable. Lifting people up. Immutable characteristics are not important. What's important is your character. You know the way you act, what you do, your beliefs. It was led by spiritual leaders and churches and they moved towards color blindness. It's very strange how big of a twist and turn it's taken and I mean if people understand I'm not going to go too far down this because I'll lose people but if you look at the philosophy behind Marxism Marxism really got twisted and turned into other things and so it's still in the same vein of that and what they've done now is they've demonized they've taken they've basically rebranded racism to make it seem like it's good. This was a leak that came out and it was a this was to the employees and to the managers they had to abide by their allyship commandments okay and they would get punished or rewarded based off of these and the way that they would judge these was like how many people of this color did you hire how many people of this gender did you hire how many people of this position this was IBM okay now it starts off and right off the gates like okay but then it gets really bad it says number one openly acknowledges privilege and systemic racism exists and results in trauma number two never questions the reality of our black friends and colleagues number three yeah never question okay so whatever number three rejects the idea that racist political number four accepts that white people number five understanding only white people a racist that one really cracks me up which is interesting number six knows the black community owes us nothing in this work oh I guess they're just talking to each other anyway number seven requires acknowledgement and repair of inevitable mistakes okay that one's cool number eight is never rooted in white saviorism they made that up number nine sees the black community as a group of individuals and not a monolith I guess that's a good idea but it replaced white in here with any other race this would get completely hammered it's so strange that like this is outright yeah strange racism that a company would be promoting and telling their employees it's really weird what's going on well the leaked video I saw and hopefully the guys can play it is the CEO of IBM basically telling the other executives like you know we need to get Hispanics to this percentage we need blacks to this percentage point something percent on Hispanics you got to get into the mid teens let me say it Asians in the US are not an underrepresented minority it's like it's crazy that I mean you're a company that's for profit and your your initiatives are around race that's wild weird so we merit period end of story like if you perform your perform that's just the bottom line imagine of sports by the way had these race quotas no hey why not wouldn't a pro football listen along these lines why shouldn't a pro team say we need an equal representation of every race and gender on this team you know why nobody would watch because they just want to win the best player is a white guy suck that's why it's just be honest it doesn't work like that I mean it's it's really strange it's really weird and by the way there's there are minorities that don't fall into this narrative Asian Americans have been suffering quite a bit from that was like the most racist thing he said in that video was making that comment saying that like they are not underrepresented in tech basically saying like fuck them well I've heard them say like oh they're white they're also considered yeah yeah yeah they would be considered privileged like what it's it's crazy that this is happening in major corporations come and if you anybody promote this there's an agenda so that's okay that's the part I can't wrap my brain around is that like what you're the CEO this massive what are they worth like $150 billion some of that IBM is up there 150 140 something yeah they're up there so you have this is massive billion dollar company and you're the CEO of it like what and as a CEO the board who decides if you're going to stay on or not is based normally off of the amount of money you can borrow and who invests in you whatever a lot of that's controlled by these strange DEI initiatives and whatever so there's a lot of things influencing you talk about ESG stuff yeah but are these guys taking on money still like that it's it's yeah I believe so I mean I still have to deal with credit I still they still have to deal with banks there's a lot of influence that's happening consumers are one of them right consumers can boycott they truly believe in this this movement of progression that it's like some ideologically superior way to go forward which you know for us like growing up as we grew up we should look at people are equal you know if you're going to be on a team with me we all have to see eye to eye and be equal and this is completely the reason why I don't get too caught up in a lot of this stuff is because I actually really believe that it's it'll play out you're going to go this way like you create more races you're a top 100 company right now let's see where you're at in five years I just think that the market will reveal like that this type of leadership this way of running a company is not a successful way to do it even if temporarily they survive and they're okay I mean just like the Bud Light move they had to pivot from that like I think what will happen is you will see you'll start to see it that much power of money it'll take time it won't happen like you won't take an IBM company and they'll be broke you know or go bankrupt next year but you'll see that you'll see the stock decline you'll start to see profits decline you'll start to see infighting within this this leaked video I guarantee is going to be damaging to yeah yeah because it's there's and you're seeing this sort backlash already with just like the public in general you know and this is like still like making its way around well the only that makes sense is what Sal is saying which I don't know enough of like how much are the banks and like a company like IBM that has already worked that much making that much money like how outside of the board yeah who really has a lot of control right now that'd be the only way it makes sense right because otherwise it's like it's it's you're going to kill the profits like it's like one of those you know it's an investor's perspective like where's the benefit of going in the strike it's just it's very weird to me it's very interesting and it's not even applied equally like you don't see for example you don't see them saying we need an equal female representation on oil rigs why don't we see that because nobody wants to fucking work on an oil rig that's why because the only people that do it are like oh my god this is bullshit that's the bottom line it's obviously bullshit you should get hired and I know everybody say well that's how the real world works yes there's definitely discrimination there's assholes and shit out there but you should the ideal is that you it's based off your merit do you perform the job well answer yes or no who does the job best who's going to give us the best return who's going to show up on time he's going to work hard is going to whatever he's going to work hard I have to only pick from these applicants because they fit this criteria of the right you know gender it's the same shit they're fighting against forever it's just now it's like it you know it again this is where it's like fighting tyranny with while becoming a tyrant yeah it's just I mean I just follow the same pattern is the results of the what the school systems have been preaching for the last couple year Elon Musk just went through a hundred million at education no oh yeah he's starting to start a school oh yeah I got Jordan yes area because that you the the market is there's this is big demand for you go far enough back on the show we call that education would be get massively disrupted and then within the next 10 years and that was like five four five years ago you called that and so it's here I mean good you have 20 years We need options. I mean his parents are 15 years away from it looking totally different. I think it'll completely change. Public schools are losing money left and right because parents are pulling their kids out and either going public or either going private or homeschool and all these options are opening up because parents are especially after COVID. COVID was like adding fuel to the to the fire. It just showed like just all the cracks. Like it was very visible. All the cracks and also by the way I'm speaking from someone who's like, uh, gosh, I don't know, a good chunk of the of some of the people in my family work as teachers. My mom's a teacher. She works in public schools. Yeah, my brother's teacher. And during COVID you had a lot of public schools on strike to stay closed. In private schools, you had them going on strikes to open. Why? Public schools got money no matter what. Public schools got no money if the kids didn't attend. And so the incentives were all weird and twisted. Yeah. By the way, the damage of keeping kids out of school during that period of time or like you can't argue that it was terrible. Yeah. I mean, what was rough for me to see was when we were at the school the other day and seeing, you know, kids that are still, you know, they had the option now and they're choosing to wear them mask. Yeah. Oh God. They just, it pains me when I see a kid doing that. Like just it's so hard for me to not get angry. The fear. Yeah. How much, you know, how much, how much we dictate reading someone's emotions and communication and things that are even subconscious based off someone's face and facial expressions. And covering someone's face constantly has a profound effect on your psychology as an adult. You do that to a child whose brain is developing. You are going to cause some irreparable damage because the brain stops being so plastic at a certain point. So you put your little kid in a very ineffective mask. The data on that is also very clear, especially if you don't handle it like a medical professional, what you're, I'm sorry, your third graders not doing that. No. All you're doing is damaging them. How blown out of proportion do you think that is? And do you think that people that are still pro your kids wearing a mask think that is blown out of proportion? Obviously, I don't, those people are not unaware. There's no way after everything that's came out, where we're at currently right now that they have not heard that argument parents do a lot of stupid shit. That's just one of them. I mean, I know. Well, yeah, I mean, they would really have to go outside of their channels of reinforced like if you're just still on legacy media and you're just constantly watching the same shows, reading the same newspapers, whatever it is, like it's, it's going to reinforce those ideas still like they're not getting challenged. Let's just say, you know, speaking of legacy media and outlets like that, like the New York Times and some of these, like, did you guys see after that last debate where Vivek just destroyed the CNN? Oh, the debate. Yeah. Yeah. After the reporting on this. Did you see the reporting on it? Weird. I mean, it is not even, like you could be a not a fan of Vivek. Like you just a normal person pricks one of your family. They made up. They made up everything they reported. Made up. They put Christie and What's Her Face as winners. Yeah, Nikki Haley as winners of that debate. Yeah, right. And Vivek is the loser. Like hilarious. They almost every one of those outlets put him and I, okay, I'm not a big political guy. I don't watch a lot of these, but I have some enough to have said that was one of the craziest, like dismantling of your opponents I have ever seen. He eviscerated them. Just crazy. Not because we agree with him by the way. Yeah. Anybody could watch it out. It's a debate. Just for a debate perspective, like literally just brought all guns. If you watched that, you actually watched it, please explain to me how you could possibly not say. Here's what's happening. He destroyed them and they put him as the loser. Here's what's happening. Not even in the middle or tied for first. Listen, if you film a fight and then you take that whole video, you can edit it to make it look like something else happened. You could film Mike Tyson fighting whoever and in that fight, you can edit it so that every jab and the other guy. And then you could put that out. So here's what they do. So here's the argument to pick you back off what you're saying. Because they're like, how's this possible? And oh, they're, how are they impacting it? Listen, there's over 2 million, 2 million or 20 million. There's like, look up how many subscribers of the New York Times there is. It's above 2 million. It's a lot more, right? Millions of people are subscribing to that. And there's probably millions of people that debate was one of the lowest watched debates ever. They didn't even watch it. And they, they will take that analysis as truth, especially if they cherry pick certain parts to fit the narrative that they're doing. And then you don't ever do your own homework. And you just assume that, oh, this Vovette guy's in last place all the time. 10 million subscribers. 10 million? Yeah. So there's 10 million people that could easily fall for that. We've talked about this before and I want to bring this up again. So do you think it's always been this way? Or do you think it's just more obvious now? Because I'm going to tell you, like, uh, you know, this is some, I've been paying attention to this kind of stuff for a while just because I like this kind of stuff. And for me, I've seen this like, this is strange. How can they, like, wow, there's definitely special interests that are controlling information that it's opposite of what we would have. But then after COVID, it seems like we're just, you think it's worse. Yes, it's definitely worse. I think, yeah, I think it's been around, but it's, it's, we can see it more now, which the perception of it makes it even worse. It's like harder for them to control. Well, and two, they're not even trying to hide lies. Like they're not trying to cover things up. They're not trying to like, it's just like, whatever we say a certain segment is going to believe us and so we're just going to keep feeding them. Like there just doesn't seem to be any regard for like, you know, how it's going to make them look later on or whatever. Like it, it just seems like we're just going to be out with our narrative. I mean, I never once will you hear me deny that this hasn't been happening forever. This hasn't been happening forever, but it is far worse today than it's ever been. And I think just, that's because of how fast news travels. I mean, you used to have to wait till 10 o'clock, five o'clock, you know, certain, you could bury old stories pretty quick. Yeah. The cycle, but now I mean, their attempts are, there's more attempts. There's more way more way. Like it's not even, it's not even close. I mean, because there's so many, when you, if you count things like Facebook and Twitter and Instagram, if you include them as media outlets now, there's just so many more. Listen, I'm going to give you guys an example right now. It's like aliens are in the conversation. That's not weird to us. That's weird. That's crazy. Bro, we had literally a balloon, you know, flying across the country and everything like everybody's freaking out. It's, it's like, whatever, like if we're just in a room, we're like, we got to figure something out to distract everybody. Listen, I'm going to give you an example that's fitness related because this is happening everywhere. This is also happening in health. I see articles and things that people are saying that are not just not the truth. They're the opposite of what's true. Yeah. And it's weird to me. It's so weird to me. I almost feel like, am I living like, is this, am I awake? Like am I asleep? Is a weird dream. This is crazy. So here's the title of this article and it was flying all over the place. Eat less, move more doesn't actually work for weight loss according to a new study. So according to a new study, eating less and moving more doesn't work. Like don't do it. But then when you read the study and you read through it, here's what they're, this is what happened. Doctors who tell their clients and don't coach them, don't work with them, don't train them. Doctors like, yeah, yeah, your BMI is high. You need to eat less, move more. That doesn't work. Well, no shit. Yeah. No shit. But the act, they says new study shows. So what does it imply? So it implies that there's nothing you could do about your weight. The reason, the reason why this, the reason why it's like that in all, it's because the algorithm feeds this, right? The more outlandish titles too. It's, it's just going that direction, which this also feeds the point that I feel like Jordan Peterson made about Twitter on our show, you know, like it's, this is why it's not a true reflection of society. It's not a true reflection. No, what if it is, what if it's a reflection? What if it's simply amplifying the absolute worst of us? And all this complain, all this craziness that we're seeing is just our own fault. How many people has it converted? Yeah. You know, that's my concern is like how many people have like, well, the flat earthers are just an example of that. Took them over the edge. Flat earthers have been around for a long time, but boy, are they popular today. They got hella videos and shit now. Yeah. I never heard it. Did you ever hear of a flat earther when you were kid? No, of course not. Nobody ever talked about that. Now it's like super popular. We have more science, more information, more proof. And it's the other way. Do you guys know? I had a debate with my uncle when I was a kid. I must have been, I was 20. And him and I sat down, it was a family party. And this is like, this is pure, pure, perfect example of smart, but not wise. So I was a smart kid, but I was definitely not wise. I was, you know, I was a kid and I'm talking to my uncle and we were talking about the internet. Now keep in mind I'm 19. So this is, what is it? You know, 1999 or so, 1998. So the internet was kind of, you know, growing. And I remember telling him like, you don't understand, uncle. I said, this is going to save the world. I said, when everybody has easy access to all the information, the world will have no more problems because we're going to know things like the problem, the pro all of our issues today is because we're just not informed. And my uncle looked at me, he's like, no, you can give everybody all the information in the world, but that's not wisdom. And him and I had this long ass argument about it while he was obviously right. He was obviously right. And I was like, set, like no way. When everybody knows everything, we're going to be so much better. No. The one I'm most afraid of that's, that's happening because I don't think I get too fearful or something like that, but the, the movement around the meat is like, it's scary to think what, where we might be in five to 10 years. Because they'll start passing laws. Yeah. So they'll start passing laws and banning. Yeah. So that's going to be really interesting. United Nations actually, didn't they just put something out and say that they are trying to get countries to, to set limits or standards to reduce meat consumption? Yeah. Here's something around 2030 or something here. Yeah, my, my thought on this, okay, this is my strategy. So I just ordered another one of those massive freezers and I'm not going to eat my butcher box. I'm just going to freeze it. Deep freeze it. I'm going to deep freeze it. How long does the meat stay if you vacuum seal it and deep freeze it? A long time. Do you vacuum seal it? And this is raising cows. I don't, but I'm going to, because I think, I think in like, we should do this marijuana, right? So used to, used to vacuum seal. So like in the, you get like in, so in, in the seasons, right? So when outdoor season hits in marijuana, the prices manipulate like crazy, because there's a flood of cannabis out there because of outdoor, right? Cause so much more. The irony now you marijuana, you find it on the corner. So what, what, what, what, so what would happen is it would, You're going to be a, you're going to be a meat dealer. So it would, it would drive the prices down. Now, once you get through winter and everybody's smoked all that outdoor and now you only have indoor weed, which is a fraction of how much you have during the outdoor season. Price is almost double. So smart strategies for a lot of guys would be to vacuum seal the outdoor, put it away, be disciplined to not sell it, which most guys couldn't do because they were on the hustle. They lived, they lived paycheck to paycheck or drug deal to drug deal. They would sell all their stuff because they had it. But if you were smart, you would hold it for six or seven months. That's what it's going to happen with me. Hey, what if this is going to get like that? And I'm going to sell. What if I was just going to say, what if this is all serendipitous? What if the skills that you learned selling weed during that great kind of great period? What if in 2030 going to be going to be a hamburger dealer? Why do you think I'm already on my head of the curve right now? I'm going to, I'm stocking up my butcher box. I'm putting it away. I'm freezing. How much time do I have? So two to three years. Oh yeah. Two to three years. If you vacuum seal it. If you vacuum seal it and freeze it. So I vacuum seal it. Do you vacuum seal it? No, no, because I eat mine, but I'm going to stop. I'm going to start, I'm going to keep it because I'm going to sell it. It's going to be worth way more money in like two years. Way more money. Let's keep this business afloat for sure. But if they try and cancel us, that's all right. We'll be selling steak. Your friends buying Bitcoin and gold. How are you going to survive this? We just have meat bunkers. Yeah. How are you going to survive the economic apocalypse? You open your freezer? That's right. Plus I can eat it if I need food. That's, think about that. Have you, by the way, Hope you have a generator though. Hope you have a generator. I haven't thought that Justin does. I got it. Yeah, I got it. You have the house generator. You have the freezer going once the outage happens. Hold on. Do you have a house generator? Yeah, bro. What's it run on gas? Yeah. Okay. What else would it run on? A solar. Doesn't, doesn't, uh... I think Tesla has solar panels for the house. Yeah, but that's, I mean, again, like with solar, your, your dependent, it doesn't really get like with the cover of, of clouds and everything. You don't really, it's inconsistent. Let's put it that way. No, I'm just saying in case, uh, you know, there's no gas either. Yeah. You know what I mean? We'll just, we'll get a bunch of them. Do they make like a solar and gas one? So you could run on solar when you have it, then gas when you, when you don't? That'd be interesting. We should buy a piece of land for us. Oh, great. Here we go. Oh, did you guys see what's his face? Did the $100 million bunker you just built? I know. Yeah. That's Zuckerberg. Why would he do that? That scares the shit out of me. I know. So this is a mansion that connects to another mansion, and then it's like an underground bunker. Yeah. Like a $100 million compound underground. Yeah. For him to survive what we're all going to do. It almost feels like he messed up though. Like how did, why would, you know, wouldn't you want to keep that a secret? Like don't be telling everybody you got this. I don't know how you could with all the work. Yeah. You don't know it's a bunker. You can't keep that a secret. There's too many people involved that have to keep that a secret. You see many, yeah, nosy people. Yeah. Especially in dealing with. By the way, speaking of butcher box, you know what my cousin, I haven't tried this yet, but when I used, so I get, I like getting the tri-tips from butcher box. Love their tri-tips. We sear it first in a cast iron, then we put it in the oven. Yeah. They do a reverse sear. Yeah. What's, so have you tried? Yeah, I always reverse sear. That's how I don't, I don't. It's better. I don't sear first. I sear at the end. And they, he says better that way. I mean. So what do you do? You put it in the oven first. Well, I used my slow cooker. I, I smoke it. So I smoke it first. And then I do a sear at the end. So the juice doesn't come out when you don't sear? No, when you slow cook, you don't have to worry about that. If you put it on a hot flame really quickly, then you lose some of that. But when you slow cook, it just barely brings the temperature up really, really slow. And it cooks it more evenly better. And it makes the meat super tender. Now what if I don't have a smoker and I just do it in the oven? Yeah, the same difference. Really? Yeah, yeah. That's what you're doing in the oven. So I would run the oven. If you're going to cook some of those steaks, I would run your oven at like two. So it's a tri-tip. 225. So you put it in your room temperature, throw it in there for a while. Put it at 225. And then, you know, just take, check, check the, the. When it's done, then I sear it. Almost done. Because you're going to, it's going to raise the meat by another five to eight degrees, depending on how long you sear. So if you sear for a minute, a minute, it'll normally jump your internal temperature by about five degrees. Would you say about that? I'd think so, yeah. Yeah, about five degrees. So I, so when I pull, I don't like my meat rare. I like it like medium rare to medium. I pull at rare. And then I sear. Yeah. What's, what do you guys put on? Because you guys use like rubs and stuff, right? For steaks, usually just salt. Not steaks, but like tri-tip. Don't you guys do tri-tip? I like Montreal seasoning. It's like a real standard. But yeah, pretty basic like seasoning, or I'll just do salt and pepper. So we go olive oil, garlic powder, olive oil, garlic powder. Oh, really coarse sea salt, actually. First, then the garlic powder. So it's got a nice crust. And then ground up rosemary. It's so good. I mean, that's what like, like a Montreal, I had to look at what. Yeah, I don't know what the Santa Maria like spice, but we used to have like spices of the Santa Maria tri-tip that you put on there. And we'd rub that and there's really good. But I don't know what that consists of. So I mean, really, like to Doug's point, really good meat. You don't need but salt and pepper, man. And most your like, like hardcore barbecue grill guys will just be like, you got to cut a meat, like just good salt and pepper. Absolutely. And you don't need, you don't need much else. Hey, so update on the vasectomy stuff. So I totally had to schedule it, right? Whoa. So it's a done. From meat to meat. You did? Yeah, I had to schedule it. I did schedule it. I don't have a little snip. No, I got an appointment. I'll believe it when I see it. You're right. You're right. I still haven't done it. But so. Are you going to show up when you're done? Huh? Yeah, I'm going to want to see. Okay. Yeah. How would you see the incision or what? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it changes. I heard it shrinks you a little bit. Really? Yeah. Good. That's good. I need that. Thanks for that. Hey, sorry, Doug. Adam started it. Listen, that was a joke, everybody. Yeah, I'm going to go and Jessica has really encouraged me. You want to know how she encouraged me? How's that? She won't. Not have sex with anyone? No, unless we were at condom, dude. I'm married. I don't wear condom now. What the hell is going on here? That never bothered me. No way. Hi. Come on, man. It's dumb. That's so dumb. Don't say that. There's a lot of kids right now that keeps those kids. I'm married, everybody. You're not married. You're stupid. Don't have unprotected sex if you're not married. So when's the date? When are you scheduled? I don't want to say it. I'm going to say it on the air. Why? Because I mean, why? Why would that matter? Might as well have some fan show up. Hey, I just started to get mine today, too. Dude, I'm here to document. I mean, if you're in a lot of places, you can get it. I mean, you can get it all over the place. I just wanted so I could- It's a consultation. Let me have some. Oh, you're only- First to do a consultation. Oh, yeah, I definitely- And then they scheduled the procedure. For the audience, just so you guys know, when we first met in the very first studio, which is two studios ago, that was the first thing Sal told us he was going to do. Yeah. So he told us that when we first started. Yeah. So I'll believe it when I see it. But yeah, no, this time I think- This time serious. I'm going to go do that. Well, that unvaccinated gold, you got to consider that. That's what the- You know what I'm saying? I know. You guys know that unvaccinated sperm is going for more. Is it true? Is that true? Or is that like- Okay, Doug, Doug, Doug. Is that true? I have more time to make stuff. I have inside information. Doug, Google unvaccinated. It is a thing. You have inside information. Yes. You got somebody at a sperm bank? I got somebody that's- Shopping around. Let's just say like a friend. You got a friend shopping around for sperm? Yeah. I don't have that. Really? It's a girl, don't worry. Yeah. Okay. I assume that. I assume that, just saying. Wait a minute. What are you going to do? I'm going to say- Yeah, that's why. I did assume it was female friends. I don't know. Anyways. Yeah. Do they discriminate like that? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know much about that. So now she's- Is she asking for it herself? Yeah. Yo. Or she being told that, hey, if you want this phone. She asked about it because it was like, there was, you know, you get like a profile. And I think that what they do is they give like pictures of the person, the guy that donated, like when they're like younger, like when they're a kid because they don't want to reveal like what the person. So it's like you see kind of like the characteristics that way. Interesting. But you don't see them as an adult, which I think is interesting. But yeah. What if you're an ugly duckling? That's not cool. You know what I mean? I don't want this one. If you turned out to be- I guess it's a risk, right? What does it say? You know, there's nothing to verify that. Yes. Yeah, I thought it was a good thing. However, it seems there is a problem with supply right now. Yeah, sperm banks are running low. Well, they're probably not going to report it, but people go in there and they ask that specifically. I mean, if I was a chick, I would. So it's like it's, you know, articles are going to pick it up or not. It's happening. Wow. So hard to believe anything. Well, I had a friend who went and got, she got inseminated or whatever, because she wanted to have a kid. And she wanted, she wanted, like, tall, dark and handsome, right? That was the thing. Tan, you pick all this stuff out. They go and they actually say, like, what do you want? Burnett? You want whatever. Yeah. So she wanted tall, dark and handsome. She had like this super redhead white kid. No, she didn't. No, she didn't. Really? Really? That's right. Yeah, she did. That's right. God has a sense of humor. Wonderful kid. Yeah, no. That's funny. I know. That's too funny. Hey, shout out. Okay. This is timely. This makes sense here. Yeah. No, that, do you know what it is? No, I do. Okay. So Chris Nagibi, my buddy, is friends with the guys or the group or the people that run Baller Busters. It's an Instagram. It's an Instagram page. It is nothing to do sexually. It's everything. That's what I'm getting at my mistake. The title has to do with, you know, ballers on the internet, right? You know, these, these big name people that are teaching you how to make money, which is all over the internet. And like he has mentioned is, or his mission is to like debunk a lot of these, these charlatans, right? Oh, wow. Yeah. And so, and he brings like real good, like when they're ones getting sued by the SEC, like he gets the legal documents and shares like this, this grifter right here is, you know. He rented that for her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's, they, they bust a lot of these people that are on the internet, making money, selling courses to get rich. And so he's, he's great. Or she, I don't even know actually, the person is anonymous who runs the page. Of course. Yeah. Oh yeah, they're smart. Yeah, yeah, they don't make sense. Yeah. In Chris, I asked Chris and Chris, I, supposedly Chris is like connected somehow to him but doesn't even know who it actually is. Wow. Oh, is that how that was working? Yeah. So they've, they've, they've kept themselves anonymous, which of like to your point, fucking with people that got money, you know what I'm saying? Like that, like not, not, not address. Yeah. Yeah. So smart that he stayed anonymous, but the page is great. It's hilarious. 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All right. Back to the show. First question is from Aisala Hian. I'd like to be able to do a muscle up. What should I do to get to that point? Why? Yeah. I mean, let's just be honest, dude. It's hard. It's a hard. It's a goal. I mean, fine. I can't even talk about this in answers. I just think it's interesting. Okay, so. I'm just sour because I can't do anything. General, I bet you could at one point. Yeah, I don't know. I've never really tried it. You've never done it? No. Yeah, no, I never tried. Never cared to. Here's some good general advice for being able to train yourself to get to do a particular type of movement that is challenging. It's not a guarantee, but it is the roadmap. It is the it is the path and that is to break the movement down into small segments, train the segments. You currently have the strength to do and slowly progress yourself to be able to do the more difficult segment. So what would this look like with a muscle up? Let's just say you could do a normal pull up and let's say you could do a normal dip from a very deep position. So you could do two parts of the lift but the switch off, right? The coming up and turning into the pull up into the dip is the hard part. Well, the way you would break that down is I would do a fast pull up where I jump up off the bar, right? I might perform that explosive part. Then I would progress that to coming up to be able to hold myself up for a second and then I'll progress that to a better position, that I progress that to getting into it and pushing myself up type of deal. The more you can break a movement down and train its segments, the easier or better or more clear the path is to be able to train the more complex challenging movement. Yeah, in terms of like a strict muscle up and if I'm doing that without like the technique of kind of gaining that momentum and depending on whether you're not doing it on rings or on the bar, to your point of like segmenting it, like taking that first initial pull up and getting as high as I can to where my chest is over the bar. And if I can get up to the point and just keep working on higher and higher and higher to where the point I can lean my shoulders forward and then back down, that's one portion of it. The transition is where it gets most everybody and when I was doing this and I was actually working on this for a bit with the rings and there's a specific way that you hold the rings in like a false grip and then you have to transition from there. But between the high pull ups and then the super low depths. Okay, so super low depths and then holding that position at the very bottom and isometrically and then grinding my way out from that dead position really helped with that transition from pull up to... I didn't even think about that's the origin of that movement is from rings. Oh yeah. So that's probably the best place to practice it I would think. I think that's because that would probably be more advantageous for your wrist position. Yeah, because you can rotate it and kind of pull it in and keep your elbows in close. It's a really complex exercise in terms of... So I mean, I'm like not qualified to answer this because I've never gave a shit to do this. But if it was a client of mine, what the first thing to do is I would look at where their failing point is, right? And then we would train and figure that out. To your point, where is that the getting all the way up to get the bar up to their chest and then or is it the transition or is it the dipping out of that portion? So that's what the first thing I would assess. And then the leak of energy between all of that with staying super rigid with your core. So that's why a lot of the gymnasts will do these hollow body position and so they feel that connectivity between their fingertips and their toes that can keep their body stiff as a board. And so you'll get into a rocking position, like nothing breaks, nothing has that sort of loose flex to it. So to stay rigid, it keeps that nice vertical line so when you go to transition, you're not swinging and getting out of optimal form. What about bands under your feet? I feel like taking the bands from the top and then assisting you. That way you can do the full movement. A partner is even better, but you know why it's tough with bands? A partner would be better? Well, if you have somebody standing... This is a device that holds your waist that actually attaches to the rings they've made, which actually gives you a little bit of that elastic energy. Because I'm imagining it on my feet and you know what happens to your feet when you're doing a muscle up. They're all over the place. So having a band under you is going to be kind of tough. Well, that also would, yeah, but that would train what he's saying though too is like keeping yourself rigid and stiff and not allowing your legs to kick all over the place. Obviously, when you're just doing your body weight, you're going to do that and cheat it up. Well, I think CrossFit... I mean, they're all momentum based and they'll do the swinging, kipping, and all that kind of stuff. That's a different beast entirely than doing a strict muscle up. You know what's hard about this? First off, I love what you said about the dip. So I, at one point, was trying to get to be able to do this on a straight pull-up bar, which is... I don't know if it's harder than rings or not, and it wasn't... I didn't grind my way up. I used momentum, not as much as the really good CrossFit people will do, but I did use some momentum. But one thing that I noticed was with my pull-up, because I had learned to do a pull-up to activate my back for so long. So when you're doing a pull-up to really try and hit the back, you're leading with your chest, you're squeezing your shoulders back, and you're almost leaning back. Well, this is not the position you want to be at the top when you're trying to do a muscle up. So I had, yes, I had to learn how to like do this like and bring my body forward type of position. That took me forever because it was such a different muscle recruitment... It's pretty functional, though, if you think about it. Like, if you've ever seen somebody try to get up over a fence or like, yeah, like some kind of surface up above you, you have to learn that technique and then to lean forward on top. And so I, you know, it was hard for me to kind of work on not being preferential towards just one side and then moving to the other and like doing it in unison. Yeah. So that took a while to develop, but that was like... How long did it take you to be able to do that? And you did them strict? I did them strict. Yeah, it took me a couple months of just practice. How often... So, okay, here's a good question then. How often did you practice it and how hard did you train it in terms of intensity? I didn't train it intensely barely at all, but I practice it almost every day. So you would just get up there... Get up there and try a few, see if I had it that day. If not, like I get a little higher, you know, in my pull-up, I'd, you know, get to a position where I'm like leaning over more effectively and then I'd get to a point where, oh, I can extend from here and I just would do it. And then it's... Then I got it. Most important question, how cool did you look doing this? I mean, I was taking selfies while I was up there. Nobody even knew I could do it. Nobody cared? Yeah. There was one person who's probably even seen me do it. And this is actually when I was like, my friends were doing CrossFit and like they're like, come on, dude, you do it with me. And so I just had to prove I could at least do it there in that setting. And so I did it, but it was just like... Nobody cared. This was during a stint where you just trained rings. Yeah. I was really into ring training for a while. Awesome. Next question is from Micah2448. The recommended daily allowance for protein is about 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight per day, which is about 0.36 grams per pound of body weight for optimum health. Tell us why they are wrong. Let's fix that sentence because there's an inaccuracy there. So the RDA is not designed for optimal health. It's like a bare minimum you need to hit. Right. The RDA is based on what will prevent related diseases that are connected to a deficiency in whatever they're recommending. So the RDA for vitamin C, vitamin K, vitamin D, magnesium, zinc, protein, fat, it's all based off of a safe minimum that will prevent you from getting developing issues. It is not optimum. So apply this to anything in your life. What's the minimum you could work to barely pay your bills versus how much you would like to earn in order to live the life that you want? With protein, it's similar. Could you eat 0.36 grams per pound of body weight and not develop disease related to protein deficiency? Yes. Yes, you could. You'd be fine. You're probably not going to develop a deficiency, a protein deficiency if you ate that. Would that be the optimal amount for muscle growth, fat loss, performance? Recovery. Recovery, insulin sensitivity, longevity, bone health, like everything else? No, it's not. It's actually way lower than what is considered that would be optimum. And I'm not just speaking from anecdote. This is actually very well studied. No, no, Lane talks about this. And in fact, the optimal or the get the most is up above 1.5. And we recommend. Per kilo. Yeah. So I mean, the easy, and why we recommend one to one, it's just easy. It's like it falls in the middle of that, right? It's not quite. One gram per pound. Yeah, it's just an easy, like whatever body weight you want to be, right? So that takes out the like, what if you're 40% overweight? Okay, versus 10% body fat, like, okay, whatever body weight you want to be. Hit that in grams of protein. Hit that in grams of protein. It's like that simple. And you're going to get the optimal. So here's what the. So and if you fall a little short of that, you're not going to die. You're not going to have major deficiencies. That's what this, this is what comes from the RDA. You're going to be okay, but you're not going to build the most amount of muscle. And that's what most, most people's goal, whether it's fat loss or building muscle, want to build the most amount of muscle. Because the more muscle you have for the fat loss client, faster metabolism going to work, the easier it's going to be to lose fat. Let me give you an example of this. I just saw some data. This was communicated by Dr. Andy Galpin recently on strength training. And the question that he was asking, he's one of the lead researchers on, on the effects of strength training on the body. Yeah. The question was, what's the minimum amount of strength training that someone can do to not lose muscle? And he wasn't talking about athletes. He wasn't talking about bodybuilders, talking about the average person. So the average person every 10 years will lose some muscle. How much can the average person do just to not lose muscle? You know what the answer was? It was something like one strength training session once every two or three weeks. That's it. Wow. Now, is that optimal? No, no, that's not going to get you to, that's not going to yield you all the benefits of strength training. Same as true with protein. And the studies on this are thorough. And there's a lot of them. This isn't just one study. There's a lot, a lot, a lot of studies on this. In fact, they've even controlled for calories where they take groups of people, eat the same calories, except this group is high protein as we're defining. And this group over here is in the, what the RDA would consider a protein. So calories would be the same. You know what they find? The high protein group is leaner, has more muscle, has better metabolic profile. So this is, I mean, if you eat this, you're going to be fine. But if you're listening to this podcast, you probably want to be, you want to feel your best. You want to do your best. You want to not overeat. You want to have, you know, you want to get good response for your exercise and have good health. In which case, it's about double what they're recommending. Well, and I feel like if I was talking to one of my clients that was like wrestling with this, and if we weren't trying to change their body composition, and we had already achieved the physique, the health level, the performance level that they want, and they're just like asking me, like Adam, do I need to keep eating one gram per pound? I'd be like, no, it's not a big deal if you go under that. But we might see, you might potentially see some muscle loss if you don't at least hit the bare minimums every single day, which you might, if you have a hard time getting one, you might notice you do that. And so if that's the case, then bump it back up. But no, it's not going to kill us. We're not going to get a disease. You're not going to have this massive deficiency. If you drop down to the RDA, you're just, if we're trying to make changes, we're trying to make gains. We're trying to build muscle. We're trying to change your body composition. Well, by us not eating the one-to-one, right? One gram for every pound you weigh is just an easy way for you to stay towards the optimal levels for building muscle or body composition. Just to give you an example, I weigh about 207, 208 pounds or so, right? According to the RDA, I would eat about 75 grams of protein a day or 70 grams of protein a day. Would be okay for me. If I, I'm telling everybody right now, if I ate 70 grams of protein a day, I would notice dramatic loss. You would lose muscle. You would lose muscle. You also have to keep in mind though. And my appetite would go up. You have to keep in mind too though, you've also built an abnormal amount of muscle for your body and your frame. So you're already- That's the best compliment that we have. It's just abnormal. Yeah. You're already for your bone and height and carrying probably 15, 20 pounds more muscle than what was average or normal for your body. So in order to keep that, and that's a good point. That's actually a good point if you're using yourself as an example. The more muscle that you have built, I think the more that becomes important that this number stays at an optimal range in order to keep that. Otherwise, if you drop down to RDA, someone like you, your body would low. You wouldn't get fat per se, but you would probably start to lose muscle and then your body would start to kind of find homeostasis of, okay, if he's only eating this much protein, he trains as much. This is kind of- Strength training plays a role. Hormones play a role. Stress plays a role. Everything plays a role. But yeah, overall this is just a low recommendation if you're looking to improve. Next question is from Honeybeast. What can be a daily routine for neck and back slouching? Oh, okay. You know, this is a good question. So when I was training people actively in gyms a long time ago, this was a big issue. I mean, I trained and I managed gyms here in Silicon Valley. So a good percentage of my clients worked in tech and worked at desk and that promotes that kind of posture. What's crazy is now the amount, the percentage of just everyday people I see like this in kids. This is actually quite common in children. So the idea behind any, if you want your body to move or shape a particular way, strengthen the muscles that promote that. Right? So back slouching, shoulders rolling forward. Well, what muscles would I need to be strong to support the opposite of that? Weird delts, strong boys. Yeah, so the mid-back muscles, right? My neck moving forward. Well, all the deep cervical muscles that pull my neck back and give me kind of this double chin look. So you essentially strengthen what opposes this posture to prevent this posture from getting too dramatic and that's pretty much that's generally true for anything. My favorite thing to do with my clients that had a job that required them to sit at a computer all day which is basically working against what we're trying to tackle is a real light band that they just kept at their desk and they literally would just every hour stand up and do 15 to 20 band pull-aparts and I would teach them to stand up tall and straight, tuck the chin back and then do 15 to 20 band pull-aparts get back to work. And if they just, if they train themselves. You know I did the same thing. Yeah, they train- They train through the level with that, they get against the wall, right? So they can get that feedback with their head and then their shoulders and get in that external rotation. So yeah, between band pull-aparts and then also just our wall press or their wall tests to just make opportunities for that and you have to almost like put it as an alarm or something initially to create that habit. If you do a good job of becoming, the first step to your point is to become aware of this what is this poor posture look like? That's a little more obvious to you because you're asking the question. Well, what is kind of the optimal posture look like as far as, you know, the neutral spine in your head and you retract the shoulders? Like you're saying, that's why I love the wall. Once you kind of figure out what that feels like, I'll do this when we're doing this. You can create it anywhere. If I can be here, I'll, you know, I'll, every once in a while when the camera is not on me and they're talking, I'll be over here and I'll just kind of- Activate. Yeah, I'll activate. Yeah. My core is activated right now. I tuck the chin, my shoulders are pulled back. I do it on planes all the time. I do it when I'm driving. Like if I catch myself doing this for a while, I'll just, and I think if you're really good about becoming aware of that posture and what it's doing, just, just doing that throughout the day. Let's comment real quick on what it's doing, right? Besides the way it looks, because I'm assuming this question is being asked because the person's like, I don't like the way it looks, which, okay. But there are other downstream effects from a suboptimal. Let's just loosely categorize it. Suboptimal posture, you have impediments in breathing. Full diaphragmatic breaths are harder to do when you're slouching and crouch forward. There's also a feedback mechanism that happens in the body where the way you feel makes you hold your body a particular way, but the way you hold your body also sends a message to your brain that says, we feel this way. So if you hold yourself in this slouched protective position, which typically means fear, typically means depression or illness or sickness, you'll actually start to feel those ways as well because of the feedback. So the downstream effects of correcting this or training this are not just to look better. You'll actually feel a lot better. You'll breathe a lot better. And then I could even make the case that that could affect things like hormones and sleep and so on. So this is an important one for a lot of people. Next question is from Patrick the Hybrid. If you are regularly active, do you think sport massage is important? I mean, that's why I married one. Yeah, that's why it's that one. That's it, man. Cover that. Check that box. I was like, oh my God, this is a necessity right here. You know what's funny? So I'll tell a story. I used to, so I had a wellness studio that's not why I married one. That's not why I married one. I know, I was like real quick, gotta say this real quick. She'll think, I'm serious. So hold on a second. There's a lot of reasons. Yeah, yeah. So I used to own a wellness studio and at that time when I first started it, I was definitely the meat head trainer. So I was like, you know, I knew strength training. I knew macros. That was it. Weight loss, muscle gain. But I knew that there was value in other modalities. And one of the modalities that I wanted in my studio was body work or massage, right? Because I saw the value that provided other people. I had never really experienced it. Wasn't a massage person. But I said, you know, people will want this. I think that people can benefit. So I had it in there. So I'm so happy I did because for 15 years I worked side by side with people who did body work. And I saw the impact it had on movement. I saw the impact it had on people's emotions on how they felt. Like there's a lot of reasons why massage can be valuable. One of them is getting the body to move differently. So when someone's pressing on muscles or working on muscles, it communicates to the central nervous system and it tells the central nervous system to fire a little bit differently. Like here's a simple example. You're really tight in your neck. Somebody pushing on your trap muscle allows it to quote unquote release. Well really what's happening is you're pushing on that trap muscle. The CNS at first fires a little harder so it feels tight. But eventually CNS gets the signal and it actually relaxes and melts. And then you feel much better. It's much more complex to that. Really good massage therapists know how to do that through a whole body to get you move a little bit differently and combined with strength training it's this amazing combination. But there's another part to it which is the human touch. I saw this first hand. I had one client in particular. I saw this with other people but this one person stands out. I had this one client, older gentleman, lived on his own, never married. He was a great guy, loved him, a little awkward or whatever. Didn't have tons of close friends. And I convinced him to get massage. And the benefits he got, he got some benefit from the body work but he got tremendous benefit from being touched because he was never being touched. He was never hugging people and embracing people. Touch is extremely healing and good massage therapists know this. And I know some people are probably rolling their eyes. I'm telling you, this is a big part of it. Massage therapists know exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, but chemically isn't it like, I mean, what's that? So powerful. Yeah, what's that bonding chemical, oxytocin that you get from that? I mean it's just, and there's all those studies with like little babies that don't get touched and how they turn now. And it's, oh my God, and a lot of them die of depression and neglect. So it's, again, it's one of those things you don't really consider as much because as you become an adult, it's like, well, you can be isolated. I'm a lone wolf or all these types of things. But really, I mean, we suffer the consequences of not having human to human interactions. And that's like definitely in our physiology. So to be able to have that, I think it's massively valuable. I mean, I drank the Kool-Aid over 13 years ago. So there's no doubt in my mind the power of it. And I've also, being married to Katrina, I've been the whole spectrum of, there was a period in my life where she literally massaged me every single night. And then I- This was the closing period. Yeah, yeah, this was the closing period. And then I've had every level of frequency between that, right? Nothing is more than every single day. And then I've had three times a week. I've had two times a week, one time a week and then not at all. And the difference that I feel from that is profound. I mean, when she's massaging me on a semi, even just a semi-regular basis two or three times a week, my workouts are significantly improved. Your pumps. Yeah, my pumps, my recovery, like I just, it's 90 degrees. So there's that category. So no doubt what it does for recovery and the CNS and to the points you made there. And then to your point about touch, 100%, being touched by another human being like that, especially somebody like that's in that field normally who's about positivity and good energy. And they're normally like, Katrina, before every client, like they do this thing where they clear themselves and they want to bring only that type of energy to the client. And so they recognize that they're transferring some of that energy over to that person where they rub you. So you're getting that benefit of it. Then also how many times have we talked about meditation and creating space? Like that, it forces that. Like it's an hour and a half where it's silent and all that's going on is music in the background. And I'm completely quiet in my head. Man, those are some of my best business thoughts and introspective thoughts and- Never stop the massage. Hold on a second. I'll write this down. Oh man, so relaxed. Like you just, there's so much value to it. Really it's, to me, it's more about expense. If you can afford to do this, the more you do this, the more beneficial I think it is. I mean, that's how- It's the most parasympathetic I think. Like I can feel like in terms of like calm because yeah, you're, I mean, somebody else is sort of taking care of all these things and you're just there in your own calm headspace. Yeah, this is, by the way, this is an ancient practice. This has been around for a long time. Yeah, there's a reason why it's been around for a long- There's a reason why it's lasted so long. There's a reason why machine massage or tool massage has never replaced massage therapist. We store memories in our bodies, not just in our brains. I don't necessarily mean specifically like I have a memory in my body, but I've seen this firsthand many times and I, the first few times I saw it, I was like, what is happening? Where somebody will get, they look totally fine. They're totally cool, whatever. I had this happen because I learned certain massage techniques that I would use on clients on the workout floor to help me with my workouts. It wasn't really a massage. It was more like, how do I get this muscle out of the way or how do I work on this area so they can move better? And that perfectly fine person, I would press on an area, they'd get a release and they'd cry. Like an emotion would come out. And I remember bringing this to the person that worked with me who was an expert on this and was like, oh yeah, that's expected. If you massage people, you work on people, you expect sometimes people, anger will come out, resentment will come out, sadness, whatever. So tremendously valued. Remember when we talked about if we were uber rich and we just had like ridiculous things that we pay for and I made the comment about I'd have sheet, fresh sheets every single day or like that, this would be the other thing. Would you use before bed every night? I would have, yeah. I would literally have a live-in massage therapist that I'd just get me on the table right before bed. Like that would be the, you wanna talk about like also like setting up your night. We talk about like having a night routine to actually have like a massage before you're in bed. I mean, talk about calming you and relaxing you, setting you up for incredible sleep. Like, yeah, that would be another thing I would add to like, that's just like over the top. Awesome. Look, check this out. If you're a trainer, a coach, you're working the fitness or health industry, you need to go to mindpumptrainer.com. I am hosting a three-day training course. 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